Does Memory speed matter?

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[@life-longpatriot8258]

I've always wanted to learn more about RAM timing, so that would be a great segment if you choose to go more in depth with it. Thank you!

[@-----------------------------]

@Peter G probably because most of his viewers are practically the pcmr subreddit. All they see is specs, bigger numbers = best.

[@lillianfox6848]

@@----------------------------- uhh...bigger isn't always better. CAS latency is the perfect example of that.

[@-----------------------------]

@@lillianfox6848 take time to read, I'm describing the pcmr subreddit

[@lillianfox6848]

@@----------------------------- ah I see, my bad

[@KonorSacks]

Agreed I need to make my dimms match in timings, to stop blue screening

[@theshadowknows6969]

Should totally do a memory overclocking guide. Then compare results with 3 or 4 titles.

[@BrandonWatkinsBmW13294]

I think a timing video would be very interesting but I would also very much like to know how these kittens is performed on a ryzen base CPU... If my memory serves me correct timing clock speed is more important for the infinity fabric on ryzen bases to cpu's then overall clock speed is.basically how do I get the best bang for my buck out of ryzen. Currently using a 1700 but lookin to maybe upgrade.

[@RaiderOfTheLost]

Go do it yourself instead of demanding it from other people with no respect

[@gohan20]

No offence to Jay, he's great and does create amazing content and it's so great, I sport some of his merch but if you would like RAM timings and overclocking of RAM and all that goodness, then a good shout is buildzoid aka Actually Hardcore Overclocking. He does rant "digress" a LOT and his videos are unedited but he does some amazing work with overclocking, shunt modes, Etc. He also will use LN2 or dry ice and also live streams it at times.

[@get2choppa429]

Go watch actually hardcore overclockings channel (buildzoid from gamers nexus)

[@theshadowknows6969]

@Eater. At the end of the video he asked the audience to comment what piece to do on memory next. I meant no disrespect.

[@mastrtyle]

Yes to ram timing testing I’d also like to see a tutorial on ram overclocking and trimming down the ram timings, tips on how far you can push them and how to check for stability

[@zlibz4582]

Jayz: Doe ram speed matter? My wallet : Nothing matters at this point

[@kaneki1792]

same

[@rinkyouma2320]

I feel you man. I feel you.

[@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags]

Trampoukosss My wallet is Yves Saint Laurent from Paris lol

[@gabrielperez3619]

Lmao! This is the best comment in the history of KZbin comments.

[@qNepo]

3200mhz cl16 gskill rgb can clock up to 4000mhz even with hynix die... timings im using are ofc bad but uknow... 19-21-21-42

[@Minotaur10]

I'd love to see a comparison with low speed + tight timings vs. high speed + loose timings

[@HolloVVpoint]

High speed is better. I've personally tested it, using mostly cpu heavy titles like Total war. 2666Mhz with CL14-15-15 and 3200Mhz with CL16-17-17 and the faster speed always produces better results. Infact on the stock 3200MHz timings which were CL-18-18-18 the results where pretty much the same if only very very slightly worse than the tighter ones!

[@brkbtjunkie]

Chris Minors threoretically they would be similar

[@pr0l0w]

true latency on low speed and tight timings vs high speed and loose timings can be exactly the same, depends on the numbers you use. Way more important are the subtimings, where you can get a lot more out of your RAM. The important numbers for RAM are bandwith (read,write and copy) and the true (whole) latency that a RAM needs to do a whole Operation.

[@brandongunn7992]

@@HolloVVpoint 3200c16 has a CAS latency of 10.0ns and 2666c14 has a CAS latency of 10.5ns. So, the 3200c16 kit had both faster clock speed and tighter timings.... of course it won.

[@HolloVVpoint]

Brandon Gunn yeah it was faster even with CL-18 genius. Speed > Timings I've tested it my self. It's not hard do and anyone can do it with out even overclocking their RAM. Just buy a faster stick go to bios run it at stock speeds not the XMP profile, compare to the previous lower speed sticks. Use CPU heavy games and you will notice the difference. No doubt lower latency is better, 3200Mhz Ram with CL11 like Jay is talking about would be insane especially if you use Ryzen cpus which benefit even more from the faster ram. But in a scenario where you have pick between slower speed and tighter timings or higher speed and looser timings, the higher frequency is usually better.

[@steveboesch6221]

I'd definitely would be interested in seeing a comparison of RAM timings.

[@salemgiath8150]

I’d like to see also timing vs frequency.. For example 3600mhz CL18 vs 3200 CL16 since they cost very similarly

[@Arvi89]

Me too, I always try to get low timing (without spending too much), but I wonder how it actually affects performance.

[@IndigoDesert6]

LTT has video on "watch this before buying an AMD cpu". tho this only focuses on ryzen platform and not intel. They focused more on the infinity fabric than the timings tho there is a bit of that too. or GN's video "AMD Ryzen 3000 Memory Benchmark & Common RAM Mistakes (fClock, uClock, & mClock)". you could draw conclusion from there that optimized timings can affect performance more than just speed

[@galbraith69]

I'm on board with this one, even for older platforms like ddr3 just to know what can be done, and gained simply by lowering timings!

[@lordeggo]

Speed and Timing are more or less the same result to higher bandwidth and total latency. There's some slight differences regarding higher cycle demands against larger data size but they're mostly interchangeable stats. Technically faster timing resulting in the same bandwidth as higher speed but lower timing would be ideal in majority of situations, esp gaming. Should note though that pound for pound speed usually wins since timing differences are minimal by comparison to speed increases when comparing RAM sticks. In the comparison Salem Giath posted 3600 CL18 Vs 3200 CL16 the true latency is exactly the same at 10ns. By comparison I'm running 3200 CL14 which is 8.75ns If you get some beastly 4000 and trim it down to CL14 then you'd have 7ns.

[@NeverlandSystemZor]

Love his "bird flapping" and chair spinning in the bg of the slides! LOL Glad it's still there. Makes me laugh every time!

[@machiii7394]

"your next computer build" *laughs in broke*

[@RukhWhitefang]

I would love to see a video series on ram overclocking and tutorials.

[@sekazi]

Same. I have dabbled in it but when I mess with it on my motherboard it messes with my CPU clock.

[@I_NeedCoffee]

I usually don't do much overclocking. I don't want to risk damaging my hardware. I am curious how far you can overclock the RAM though. What are pros, cons and limits?

[@FinnishArmy]

Pastry Bear There really is no inherit risk. All PC components will auto shut off if they aren’t capable of doing an overclock. GPU will crash and shut off the driver, forcing a restart which resets the overclock, CPU will either just not boot and force you too pull back or auto shut off due to overheating, and RAM will either not boot or give you a blue screen. There is no risks these days, unless you put 5 volts into your CPU.

[@shanekrauchi2357]

I would love to see your results on tested timings. Finish the trilogy of RAM stats.

[@phillylove7290]

This test was really really really bad. It did not show the lows which is the main benefit from running faster Ram. Also the fastest RAM on the market is 4800 and he only went to 4,000

[@rty44551]

I want to see the 5000 memory tested and then time it down

[@yumri4]

@@rty44551 the only 5000 RAM i can find is DDR5 right now 5000 and 5200 MHz DDR5 RAM. Right now for anything to use DDR5 you have to custom make the board and order the chip to not have a on board RAM controller so you can put the DDR5 RAM controller on to use DDR5. The improvement from DDR3-800 to DDR4-2133 to DDR5-5000 is only a few parts of a second in video recording. It wasn't used for anything but for video recording single board computer. DDR5 is also still super expensive so even the 2GB on board RAM cost 100 USD. Maybe i got ripped off for that price as i only bought 1 chip and they are sold in lots of hundreds not 1 at a time ... yet.

[@peterninefingers]

Please test something like 3000mhz 15-15-x-y timings ram vs 3600mjz 18-18-x-y ram and see if there is any difference. It shouldnt in theory.

[@viper4060]

I would also like to see Quake Champions with this

[@willlokeer5469]

Please do a video on timing adjustments, would love to learn how to get the most out of what I've got instead of just going with upgrade every 9-12 months. This RAM "series" has been very interesting and informative! Keep up the great vids! Also, thanks Phil for your random video edit/inserts, those make my day seeing them!

[@vaeloreonari7516]

Timings testing is a yes for me. I've discovered that OC timings and 24/7 timings are two different beasts.

[@shunyaatma]

Yeah, there's no mention of 24/7 stability here. There are games like BFV which are sensitive to memory stability.

[@djhixson88]

Definitely would like to see a overclocking/timings guide

[@apocalypseap]

What you could do: -Find the lowest stable timings you can run at 2133, 2666, 3000, 3200, 3600, 3866. Don't keep them at the same timings because lower speed memory has lower CAS timings.

[@davecarsley8773]

@@KazumiNema There is no user choice. You are correct that as speed goes up, so does CAS latency.

[@rastaroor24]

I think a ram timings/OC tutorial would be sweet. That’s something I always wanted to dabble in

[@rcolavito1234]

I'd like to see AMD vs Intel at different ram speeds

[@FioJuices]

Came here to say the same thing considering amd is known to perform better with faster ram speeds because of it's architecture as opposed to intel.

[@FioJuices]

Did I miss the part where he mentions the CPU in the test bench?

[@RaiderOfTheLost]

You have no brain if you are asking that

[@SpawnViper4]

This right here! We need more comments to boost this response.

[@1967KID]

I made a new 3600x g skill flare x 3200hz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb memory 14 14 14 14 32 t1 1.35v , 16 16 16 16 34 t1 oc 1900mhz 3800mhz 1.40v gtx 1070 i did not notice nothing it's the same scores the 1070 is the bottle neck Asus vg279q 144mhz 1ms 1080p ips monitor. My opinion 3200mhz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb 1.35v keep it simple no need to oc .

[@SqwashYT]

i would love to lesrn more about timings.

[@Q8productions]

yeah tbh i know nothing about them , really wanna get deeper into it now since i got the basics down all from jay xD

[@anub1s15]

definetly, i've mostly ignored it over the years but recently dabbled with my temp ram (cause good stuff was sold out due to zen 2) and my final ram which was a miss buy (20 bucks more would have gotten me samsung b-die instead of hynix M-die) and on my temp ram which turned out to be micron e-die based it was quite succesfull, didn't push it hard but was able to tighten timings a bit (not knowing what i'm doing but following what ryzen dram calculator tossed out). but this hynix m-die is a pain, i've not even been able to set it up to try and lower timings, anything i manually set on it requires a cmos clearing or even flashing a old bios over the new bios and then re-flashing the new bios over the old one to get my pc working again >< granted it's higher speed and tighter timings then my temp ram was able but if there's more in there i'd like to figure out how to get it out of there :P

[@mbahmarijan789]

I want to learn about safe fapping

[@woky]

J M have u heard of google ?

[@SqwashYT]

issa L i appreciate you being a jerk and if jay makes a video about it then yes it will come up in a google search.

[@mrdanky5545]

Great vid, helped me decide between faster timings vs higher frequencies for gaming. Would like to see a full vid on timings like you mentioned. Also an idea, an ultimate guide showing all the things you can do to optimise your pc for gaming to get the most out of your hardware, like ram oc, gpu, cpu, Nvidia control panel settings, power plan, bloatware removal (also a vid or some more info on your power shell script to remove bloatware would be nice) basics to advanced things would be great!

[@speedk9252]

Definitely would love to see some fine tuning on ram. In depth video of how to read timings and modify them.

[@nunbran]

would really like a video on memory timings

[@Celician83]

Getting to understand what the timings do would be great. Back in my days, (probably as old as Jay) we didnt have all these timings to sort through, and makes it difficult to know "should I be going higher or lower on this"

[@Plague_Doc22]

Tell me about it. I got a new gaming RIG (pre built with my selection of parts) and what I found really strange is how they didn't set my ram to 3200 as it was what I bought. They literally didnt do the OC on it to 3200. So they ship a product that isn't what it is advertised to do. Kinda strange for them not to inform you of that before hand or just do it themselfs. Luckily I know a thing or two about PC's so I just set it manually.

[@CaptTerrific]

My first enthusiast build was 2005, and we definitely tweaked our RAM timings! Paid a pretty penny to get CAS 2 memory back then :) The CAS on my Rambus P4 was horrendous, but then again, so was the entire Willamette ecosystem :D

[@Celician83]

@@CaptTerrific back in 2005, you had to pay a huge premium to get access to alot of the sub timings, AKA buy a Intel computer for around $1000 to $1500. I mainly stuck to building mid-range AMD builds, which were overclock able, but generally locked down memory timings a great deal, due to less than spectacular VRM designs.

[@CaptTerrific]

@@Celician83 Mine was an X2 4400+, definitely not cheap though... we're fortunate to live in a modern age where all but the most budget motherboards now allow for all the adjustments one could want :D

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

@@Plague_Doc22 go into bios and set the xmp profile on you should be fine I understand your specific PC was not given the love it needed to perform as advertised

[@lexx396]

Loving these types of vids Jay. Honestly happy to watch whatever topic you want to discuss as there's always something I didn't know, learning is fun :D

[@trev6783]

I'd love to see Timing vs Clock speed. Typically ram timings can be made faster if you decrease the clock speeds. I'd be interested in like: cas 15 @ 2800 vs cas 18 @ 3200, etc etc. Like what gives better gaming performance, is raw speed better or faster timings, and is there a sweet spot. I imagine that most of these ram manufacturers have tested this out and this is why cas 16 @ 3200 seems to be were a lot of them are putting their eggs currently. I remember as a late teen when ddr first launched in the athlon xp era, I was somewhat intrigued by ram timings and went with this new company called corsair(:P) and their cas 2 ddr.. and In synthetics it was way above everything I'd seen to that point. I guess ram timings are still an interest of mine and how timing/clock speed effects performance.

[@emironurlular]

JTC: What's up guys JayzTwoCents here Subtitles: what's up guys Jays $0.02 here

[@cactis4050]

yup

[@Gangy10]

2¢

[@GlycerinZ]

Saw that too haha

[@TonyStark-pi3vc]

Just noticed you hit 2M subs. Congrats Jay!!! Been a loyal fan for years :)

[@jadonlee821]

Ooof

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

Don't worry I haven't noticed either I am more focused on the content and binge everything in the weekend I am an OG viewer too

[@RalphAlberg]

Thank you - this was a great video and prompted me to test my own rig with different setups

[@ianlevine3367]

What a great video Jay I think I would and many others would you to go more in depth about memory clicks and timings.

[@williamfox02]

I’d like to get a good explanation video about ram times and stuff.

[@jogeem5480]

Gamers nexus has one and I'd say that's beyond jay's knowledge

[@TheMrZeppo80]

I think you need a computer scientist to explain that tbh

[@killerm12]

Does RAM speed even matter? Short answer: Yes Long answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[@yumri4]

For speed that really only matter after you have enough system RAM. After you have enough system RAM then yes speed matters but having enough is almost always not an issue for almost every consumer user now-a-days. So yes for most people speed than CAS than amount is the order they look instead of amount then speed then CAS . For the users that it is an issue they will know due to an error message telling them but most error messages for not having enough system RAM are no longer a thing outside of live recording. As that one will tell you while the others will not.

[@yumri4]

@rom_kohai I am not good at getting internet jokes . I am sorry.

[@-_Nuke_-]

The oldest joke on the book! Never gets old :D

[@duckychan6100]

so what your saying is i should download more ram now ? o3o

[@courtney5796]

EVEN sober, most (like 99%) will not notice a 141 to 131 fps drop........

[@patricknolan1625]

I would love to see you do a follow up to this, concentrating on timings. That's a topic that, for most people, is such a mystery. Yes, of course, you can look up information online and I'm sure that information would be very plentiful and accurate. But one of the reasons that you're so popular (IMHO), is that you're able to take what would typically be a very dry topic, and explain it in such a way that is engaging and even fun.

[@michaelklog]

i had my pc build by a website and sent to me. i got it opened it up and found out they had put my 16 gb ram in single channel. i was happy i found out and actually looked over the work they had done. this was like 5 years ago. also i've learned alot about what to look for to get performance since i bought this pc. and your channel is part of that so thanks for the knowledge you give.

[@crisscrossam]

"We're gonna be talking about RAM speed, not to be confused with Rammstein" The intro should've been a song from them

[@not_a_samsquamsh6777]

Too bad he mispronounced Rammstein

[@crisscrossam]

@@not_a_samsquamsh6777 i think he pronounced it right?

[@9mmSurpressor]

Chris A.M. and a copyright strike

[@needsLITHIUM]

I liked the punny joke. It gave me a... a Neue Deutsche Härte on...

[@kemalnottaturk2500]

Chris A.M. no. Ramones.

[@d3n1s93]

5:17 I was looking at the scores and then i realized what jay is doing at the background XD

[@wurthmannd024]

Pretty bird 😂

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

I couldn't pay attention to the scores because of that lol

[@schekelberg6187]

I did not realize it, because my screenbrightness was so dark, you wonder why i use my phone to browsing on KZbin is pretty simple. And sad: the resolution is higher, but the screen is smaller too, so i have much higher ppi,

[@jacobwebb8818]

@@schekelberg6187 don't remember asking

[@petrolhead0387]

I spent most of my life building PCs from the best of a bad batch. I never had the type of money to build a good gaming PC, it was always a case of finding the best part in a scrapped computer and putting it in mine. I am now in a position to build a good gaming PC (£1500 budget approx), I was a little bit out of my depth with some of the more recent parts for PCs (they have probably developed 300 more components in the time it's taken to write this comment). I would just like to say that you have made my life so much easier, I really appreciate the time and dedication that you have put into your content. You have a way of explaining your findings in a clear and informative manner, yet you don't take it too far by quoting things that even manufacturers wouldn't understand. Sending you and yours some respect from the UK.

[@NCrdwlf]

Really thorough.. thank you .

[@channelmen9504]

Memory timings has always been the hardest thing to OC, so much so I've given up on them and just keep them stoke these days. I'd like to see some numbers on them please, let me know what I'm missing out on!

[@soinelle85]

Setting my systems XMP on to run my ram at 2400mhz that this GSkill model F4-2400C15D-16GTZRX is suppose to run at boot loops. It only boots at 2133 with XMP off.

[@A.Froster]

@@soinelle85 Wtf thats so low

[@JimBob1937]

@@soinelle85, unfortunately XMP only allows the RAM vendor to specify primary timings. So if your XMP profile fails, it is likely because your motherboard is doing a poor job of running through alternative potentially stable sub timings. You can probably run at XMP, but you'll need to dig into the sub timings and find which ones are causing your issue and loosen them.

[@illyont]

@soinelle85, I would boot with 2133 and check what sub timings your motherboard have set. Then try setting those manually alongside the 2400MHz frequency. See if you are able to boot. The added frequency would of course make the timings a tiny bit faster than they used to be at the slower 2133, but you might be fine anyway. It could simply be a QVL issue with your exact motherboard. Updating your BIOS could also be worth a try, if you aren't already running the most recent version.

[@phillylove7290]

Memory overclocking is so hard because it doesn't fail out right but creates a lot of weird problems.

[@tyraelhermosa]

Love this content on RAM. I’m downloading more as I type this! 😃

[@mrpetebojangles21]

Great vid as always! You guys have excellent lighting.

[@SverreMunthe]

YES! Please do timings. I've never been able to understand how it's done, or how much it affects the memory.

[@MotokenUchia]

AMD vs Intel Ram speed. Have heard AMD benefits more from mem speed

[@tiborvarga5391]

LTT has it done already

[@andreewert6576]

Depends on the generation. Zen and Zen+ love memory speed because the cores talk to each other at the clock the memory runs at. In Zen2 that's not the case, but that gen likes the memory to run at the same clock the fabric runs at, or you incur some latencies. On Zen2, the larger caches also help it bne less memory-dependant, like intel is. Best bang-for-the-buck and also compatibility is: Zen 1st gen - 3000MHz; Ryzen 2xxx - 3200MHz; current 3xxx - 3600MHz. Because Zen loves memory speeds but also often can't handle cheap memory at really high speeds. That said, you can always buy 3200 CL14 and run it at 3000 CL12-13 or 3600 CL16-17. RAM is like an unlocked CPU.

[@juzujuzu4555]

With Zen 2 you need to use Ryzen DRAM calculator and manually tune your timings as low as possible. It has huge effects on Zen 2. The best frequency would be the highest that the infinity fabric will run, usually 3800mhz, but anything from 3200 above is great. Timings are actually more important on many titles. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYDUmayMg7Wbl68

[@mvhdsk1122]

@@andreewert6576 Can totally support this, I bought 3.200 CL14 for my 3700X and now run it at 3.666 CL 16-16-16-32. Improved the reads/writes according to Aida64 Mem Benchmarks by about 15-17%!

[@zerosity717]

I've gotten a few more fps going through advanced timings lately. I'd love to see a video on timings.

[@jonmar4683]

always wondered the true impact. Thanks Dr House

[@Kondratko]

Please do a tutorial on how to overclock your memory speed and timing. What the process is, what to look for, what to expect. What failures are caused by.

[@deardoue69]

its not worth it, trust me.

[@hquest]

Rammstein has fascinated me more often than Ram speeds lately.

[@Ksuxxxa]

Look up Mein herz brent piano

[@BigHalfSteps]

@@Ksuxxxa Look up Lindemann (Songs like 'Fish On', 'Praise Abort' or 'Steh auf'). That's the singer of Rammstein with singer/componist of the band Pain and the band Hypocrisy.

[@JonnyD3ath]

Ricky Kneebone just did, pretty cool and creepy lol

[@ZeroAlpha1173]

Yes

[@Hares1]

I need more infomation about timings cause i dont know how important timings are

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

Haha

[@Xerpadon]

Basically like this... The faster the response time is from Ram the faster your Cpu and Gpu receive it and the faster they can send that data back out. So the tighter the timings (The lower the Cas latency) "the responsiveness" the amount of nanoseconds its takes to read and write data in and out of ram. the higher the frequency (2133mhz -> 4133mhz) the amount of Data. example: 30 gb/s ~ 50 gb/s The better the overall system performance is, because your cpu and gpu need to wait less time (in nanoseconds) to get the data in. Key being here.. Response time, Jay did the opposite of that.. and only increased the Mhz (frequency) so the data rate but didn't adjust the timings thus the FSB:Dram ratio shifts thus the Latency increases thus in turn slows the reading and writing of data process and that means barely to no difference unless a game engine is designed upon that like Jayz showed in this video. in other words, jay made a video about frequency of the ram if it increases system performances. without adjusting the timings of the ram. which the answer is Barely to none. While if he made a video about Ram timings the answer would be Yes.

[@potatofieldsforever4089]

Ideally, the cpu wants the data in its caches/registers before it needs it. That's the kind of timing we want.

[@jonathandunstan1819]

I would love to see a video on Timings that has always made me wonder ever since I got into building PC's. ;)

[@TheYear-dm9op]

That was the best "sch" sound in "Rammstein" I've ever heard from a native english speaker. I'm so proud of you *wipes single tear away*.

[@Pommezul]

*Jay's sprachgefühl intensifies*

[@scott7410]

Deez Nüssen auf deinem Kinn

[@blklion100]

I would like a tutorial on how to adjust the RAM timings when overclocking. I feel like I'm leaving some performance gains on the table by not being completely comfortable with trying that.

[@wm45]

@Mike AndersonI need to look them up.

[@copyorange]

@Mike Anderson Thanks, Champ!

[@Blaze6108]

Me too! I have really old RAM (ddr3) from an ancient prebuilt in my system, I'm wondering if I could squeeze some more performance out of my CPU with some tweaking before I have to get a new CPU+board.

[@blklion100]

@ it's not just about hitting the bios, but understanding what the settings mean. And knowing what constitutes a tight timing versus a loose one

[@banana_junior_9000]

Yeah, I'm now willing to fiddle with it now that RAM pricing has dropped.

[@Leif_0]

that was the best background video (while showing the results) I ever seen ahahaha Love IT !

[@kian8382]

I think how memory differs from other components is that other than latency sensitive tasks, like gaming, you don't usually get benefits by going up in speed because most applications don't need a lot of bandwidth so you can never tell just by using photoshop for example, the gains you've made by speeding up your memory.

[@scotter]

Thanks! That was good for me to learn! Yes, please a video about timing!

[@Chaosdude341]

Memory timings guide with benchmarks for 2019, please! That'd be great to learn about. Memory is quickly becoming one of my favorite parts of the PC to explore/understand.

[@jasonblankenship4418]

I love the Rammstein shout out. Du. Du hast. Du hast ram.

[@ShinIkari]

@@Miles300s the lyrics go: du hast mich gefragt und ich hab nichts gesagt. No literal hate in the song ;)

[@Miles300s]

@@ShinIkari Ah, thank you. I realize now I had them backwards when I commented, so you were originally correct. I've taken two years of German, but it's been a few years

[@PhreakDarkSoul]

@@ShinIkari It is hate but just it turns into something else later and yes, I am from Germany. The lyrics is playing with german language.

[@smol9853]

du hast = you have du hasst = you hate

[@PhreakDarkSoul]

@@smol9853 That is right but it is not possible to HEAR the difference until the line continues with "gefragt". Until this point it sounds like "You! You hate! You hate me!". The meaning changes after "You asked me...".

[@adamossowicz2611]

I had no idea you were so majestic Jay! Gracefully flapping about behind the bench results :P

[@henriklindh]

This is super interesting, Would love to know more about memory timings its so hard to research and try for us "mortals"

[@charlie22911]

Seeing these tests repeated on a quad channel setup would be great. Dual vs Quad channel would be very interesting.

[@skyhop]

Do HEDT with quad channel vs dual channel in gaming, same games you already did.

[@rdmz135]

4 dimms wins against 2 dimms even on dual channel platforms due to rank interleaving. Assuming they run at the same timings and data rates.

[@skyhop]

The amount that rank interleaving helps is very very small. You can run dual rank dimms as it is. Running 4x dual rank dimms would be a hell of a load on the memory controller so I doubt you could achieve that much higher of performance, especially not for gaming related stuff.

[@SemperFortisUSN]

those have been thoroughly tested. quad channel doesn't benefit gaming at all, the fps are the same between quad and dual channel. Hell, even dual channel benefits gaming very little.

[@rdmz135]

@@SemperFortisUSN Dual channel makes little difference? You have to be a troll, or just completely misinformed.

[@SemperFortisUSN]

@@iStrong113 I don't know what Jay did but every other test including my own says otherwise. Check out the article by Gamers Nexus. Bug difference in synthetic benchmarks but little in real life.

[@adamblyth9972]

Upgrading my rig. WoW is my only game and this is specifically what I was wondering about when it comes to RAM. Perfect video to slide into my timeline.

[@Mattcamel51]

Fantastic video. I've benchmarked my laptop with different RAM speeds and saw the same outcome. I've been telling people online that it mashes a difference for years but people tended not to believe me. I'd love to see another video with different timings

[@djricks9494]

Ram overclocking and timings would like to see a video on that

[@Texshy]

I'm still rocking DDR3 ram ^^;

[@tsdobbi]

@NeuroMuscular I had an i7 920 build with triple channel. Was lagging on some newer games, bought a 580GTX (upgraded from my 9800GT) There was literally 0 difference. Couple years later I built a 4770k based system. It unlocked the video cards potential to say the least.

[@loplop019]

1600mhZ gang

[@sashen6678]

4790K with 32GB DDR3 @ 2400mhz here- still going strong...

[@vsarple]

DDR 1/2(HALF) I AM BETTER THAN U BITCHES FLAUNTING UR POOR SHIT

[@myceliummobb]

Ew

[@williamtasker7882]

I really appreciate the last two videos as they helped a lot. I would love a video on timing and how it works. But .... A video that would help me the most would cover the following: picking out the best bang for you buck for 3200 ram for gaming, how to set it up for optimal performance via overclocking and adjusting timing. Recommend software to do all the above. I would love to see a whole series on how to tune you computer. “Now you built one, this is how you tune it!!” Thanks and keep up the great videos.

[@g-loctv6114]

I've never messed with memory overclocking and would love a but of in-depth video on the subject, and changing RAM timings. Please? Thank you

[@strouda56]

I'd like to see the same tests done with AMD vs Intel, since AMD's speeds are more memory dependent than Intel's. Not only that, but the Infinity Fabric is super sensitive to RAM as well, not to mention the Infinity Fabric clock and multiplier.

[@resresres1]

I don't understand how jayz being a tech KZbinr did not even talk about the differences in performance you'll get with RAM depending on if ur using AMD or Intel CPU..... He didn't even mention which CPU he did his tests with..... Highly disappointed.

[@asdhakjd]

I'd love to see a basic memory OC guide.

[@Fikozmeilord]

Yes Jay, pls do a video for the timings. And if you can explain what is ram timings.

[@DerpyNoodIe]

Definitely make a video about timings, I been wanting to know if tightening timings makes any differences in gaming. Also can you please do some tests at 4K when changing the timings and frequency. TY!

[@onepiecepedia]

YES PLEASE!! I've been looking for a video explaining RAM timing! I've got a dual Trident Z 2x8Gb 3200 CL16 and always wanted to know how far could i push the timing! :)

[@freeman2399]

Same!

[@Fgtfv567]

I've never seen any videos talking about ram timings and cas latency, so an explanation at least would be very helpful

[@delphicdescant]

I wish quad-channel memory were tested like this as well (alongside speed - I know there are already tests that don't consider speed) to see if it helps benchmarks at slower ram speeds.

[@PrishenReddy]

Yes Jay, please do a video on timings, and test high speed with loose timings vs lower speed and tight timings. I agree, I think a lot of people put more emphasis on cpu and gpu as compared to ram

[@h0b05c4t]

Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt!

[@anusmcgee4150]

Excuse me, sir? I have a question. Willst du bis der Tod uns scheidet, Treue sein für alle Tage?

[@norielleyienne2086]

hey no need to start another world war geez

[@lsb2623]

Bück Dich

[@menhirmike]

No, this video is about Ramspeed, not Rammstein.

[@debaronAZK]

Nein

[@TheDanteSkyheart]

I've always wondered how important timings were because sometimes you'll see the same clock frequency with different timings on the same brand of RAM

[@illyont]

That could be the same chips, but different binning. Or actually different memory chips even though the product seems to be the same. TridentZ 3600MHz 4x8GB with 16-16-16-36 vs TridentZ 3600MHz 4x8GB with 16-19-19-39 or something. The first kit is Samsung B-die chips, while the second kit is Hynix memory chips. "Same" product, but completely different chips used. The price difference on those two kits are usually pretty large because the B-die chips are alot more expensive to buy compared to the Hynix CJR. For regular use you will probably not notice any difference.

[@momoita]

It would be awesome if you make a video teaching how to OC the memories properly. Your videos are great and I like the way you teach about hardware.

[@colinpringle8705]

that wood be grate love to see it, but all so can you do a hole over view of all the settings and what they do please

[@__lifeline__]

Was the tests done with ryzen or intel cpu’s, because that could make a difference considering ryzen can still be memory hungry

[@Cosmitzian]

Ryzen is a whole can of worms with the Infinity Mesh. In that case, it can be beneficial to actually run lower speeds.

[@stoneymahoney9106]

"Blender might have showed a bit of a difference" - I've done that test already myself, it doesn't care.

[@non-binarythinking9110]

I'd like to see a video on finding the sweet spot for an optimal config: ram speed, cpu core number and speed, graphics card. the intersection between the three sweet spots.

[@doogled6749]

video on how ram timings/speed/amount effects mid range systems, and does it behave in the same way as one you just did??

[@KanekiBhaiya]

The only thing I see when the results are shown is Jay flapping in the background 😂 (again)

[@brentfields93]

Anmol Srivastava I came to the comments just for this comment

[@jynxui1943]

they should have played the "i believe i can fly" song in there.

[@THYMY_PAVLOVAS]

Top 5 of the shelf ram modules 2019

[@nikrusty]

NOW I KNOW Who Jayz reminds me of a bit! Earthworm Jim! especially at 9:20

[@resColts]

Would love to see 1% low I've seen games like Wildlands have same avg from 3200-4000mhz but low fps is 20fps higher on 4000mhz that makes huge difference for high refresh rate gaming.

[@aphex2056]

Just add a spoiler to your case and you're set.

[@almostsapien]

Don't forget the fart cannon and racing stripes.

[@BareSphereMass]

I would like to see how timings affect things

[@christopherstaricha8620]

I'd love to see a video adjusting timing, not really comparing, just how to do it and what you are looking for.

[@PieVsCake]

I would love a video explaining how to tighten timings and what to buy timing wise

[@dylanpauling5983]

i would like to see something on RAM timings

[@astro143_]

I would love a video on changing timings, especially on ryzen 3, how does the mystical 3600 speed with slower timing compare against a slower speed with tighter timings? Also on the subject, which CPU was used in this video? (and part 1 with capacity?)

[@marklast2657]

thanks RAM timing has always been a slight mystery and now i can see.... i only need it for gaming Brother

[@erich3784]

Jay, I want you to do a video about RAM timings.

[@leny1338]

I use my Corsair memory at 3200mhz but every time I tried tweaking the timings I failed, so a tutorial would probably be usefull!

[@cehaem2]

There´s plenty of resources on the internet. Check the overclockers forums for instance. But it all boils down to small increments and testing - testing - testing.

[@leny1338]

@@cehaem2 I followed some tutorials using RTC and Typhoon but couldn't get ram stable even with the safe preset, and on the other hand I would like to know if it# mandatory to change aaaall the listed timings or just the main ones.

[@cehaem2]

@@leny1338 Your mo bo also plays a crucial role here. And a mem reader won´t tell you anything about that. Which means, you need to start fiddling with all of them. It´s try and error, pretty much. By safe preset - do you mean XMP?

[@leny1338]

@@cehaem2 I mean the safe preset that Ryzen Timing Calculator gives you. My mb isn't the best, gigabyte ab350 gaming 3. I guess I could keep trying and messing with the numbers till it works, but that's a job for future me, when he finds time for that haha.

[@cehaem2]

@@leny1338 Yeah, never change a running system. I had insane issues with OCing my Vengeance LPX 3000 MhZ on my Carbon Pro mobo. Initially even XMP wouldn´t run and send me into a boot loop until i did a BIOS update and purged CMOS. The beautiful thing about OCing today, is - you´re not messing with jumpers etc, just point and click, haha.

[@KChicken]

You should do a video on how memory speeds affect Ryzen performance

[@jogeem5480]

Hardware unboxed did a good video on that

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

Linus did one but I isn't the best way to learn I liked the hardware unboxed one too

[@jogeem5480]

@@tanmaypanadi1414 yeah I mostly watch linus just for entertainment. The test they did on cpu heat output made them loon too dumb for serious content :D

[@louiepaderon344]

Gamer nexus already did that and the sweet spot I believe is 3800.

[@Sothrasil]

@@louiepaderon344 it's 3600, so you can put the Infinity Fabric into coupled mode (which runs at up to 1800). If you can overclock the IF, you can go higher with the ram speed as well (just x2 because DDR = Double Data Rate)

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

I learned with all those ram videos on those tech channels that my choice to go with cheap 3200mhz cl16 ram was the right choice. It is also dual ranked (not to confuse with dual channel), what also has little bit of a performance advantage.

[@gamingallday9225]

Great info. Have wondered this many times so now I know the sweet spot. Thanks for this.

[@Stephenson1055]

Could not concentrate on the analytics screens with Jay flapping in the background.

[@zahidsardar1066]

Hey Jay, How about looking at triple/quad channel memory systems. Sure, memory timings versus fps for those games would be interesting also. Z

[@shawnleist8999]

Most mobos do t support triple or quadruple channel memory

[@jaalan7896]

Please do a video about timings!

[@cyberborgman2000]

Would be nice to have a link to previous video in the description

[@kingchirpa]

Makes me feel happy with the 3000mhz ram I bought last year