Does The POWER FIST Suck in Space Marine 2?

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[@jammin1881]

Thanks for the upload. When did this video get made? Before or after the patch? I've only levelled mine to our purple and did it before the patches buff.

[@youtubevoice1050]

In the lore power fists are some of the most devastating melee weapons, but more so for damaging vehicles and constructs or bigger foes and monsters. They are definitely not made for horde clearing, considering their minimal range. Lightning claws however...

[@cykablyat3680]

yeah and the fact that its heavy attacks need to be charged to do some actual dmg , and while you charge it the horde will tear you apart , its the worst againist chaos minions where they got a shield and you have to use heavy attacks to remove them

[@undeadwarrior88]

Lightning claws

[@youtubevoice1050]

@@cykablyat3680 Yes, they need to rework this weapon. It should deal massive damage, with the drawback of short range. Basically for hunting down majors and such, while one-shotting small enemies and smashing through shields.

[@youtubevoice1050]

@@undeadwarrior88 Right, power claw (klaw) is the Ork version.

[@FreeFragUK]

Agreed, I can't help but think Saber didn't fully understand (or weren't given the info) the role of the powerfist. It's a weapon intended to turn tanks into tin foil, it's not really a weapon for dealing with massed opponents.

[@FreeFragUK]

The power fist needs a rework, it's a weapon intended to tear through tanks like they're tin foil and as such it's for dealing with single opponents, not massed foes.

[@corvidcorax]

Playing Assault like a pick class would be fun if powerfist was able to stagger warriors and lictors with only a few hits or a single charged blow. Imagine rocketing down from the sky and delivering a grandslam that can send a bunch of majoris into stagger, or at least enough damage, where they can be staggered in the next blow. You could also say the same about Thunder Hammer since it makes no sense for a big ol' sledgehammer to be doing such pathetic damage to minoris, let alone majoris and above. Both weapons need to be reworked tbh.

[@default_liver1641]

it just doesnt make sense to me, how a weapon could be considered good against a highly armored large foe but be bad against crowds, when it should instantly cleave smaller squishier targets and instantly kill them. the molecular displacement field around the fist realistically makes it act like a sword since its power field disrupts molecular bonds. (so really there should be no difference between power weapons in lore since they would all function as unstoppable blades) anyway obv its a game and weapons should serve different functions and im reading too much into it but i would like to see powerfist at least competent against crowds, if i want to punch a majoris and a minoris or two are in the way i should blast right thru them with a charged heavy

[@DaemonPrince]

@@default_liver1641 Whats interesting is that the thunderhammer from space marine 1 is an example of this thinking, the weapon itself is great at single target and terrible at crowds, reason being its slow and enemys can easily sneak in alot of attacks, however what does make it great againts crowds is the fact that it completely deletes whatever it hits, its job is single target but because its a delete-you stick it can totally sweep crowds.

[@calebheisserer5391]

I experienced the exact same disappointment with that ground slam attack

[@joeong1985]

Haha when I first unlocked the perk I imagined the power of a ground pound+ground slam. Tried it in game and got rekt 😂

[@mifoon8727]

Hey I was actually the guy playing tactical in the gameplay of the tyranid mission. That’s wild

[@calebheisserer5391]

My favorite weapons are the energy sword, lightning hammer and super fist

[@xSabinx1]

Yeah I love the way master chief uses them to their full potential

[@macbait9902]

@@xSabinx1 light swords are the best imho. Just so bad we can only choose blue. i'd like red ones like the Emperor palpatine.

[@Matt-uj9wl]

@@xSabinx1 mater chef

[@themagicalspacepapa3109]

My favourite is the chainsaw blade, the space knife, and the melting gun

[@humantwist-offcap9514]

I love the heavy nuts and bolts gun and the gangstalking rifle

[@keiichi8191]

Yes. Yes, it hilariously sucks. Basically no range, as slow as the thunder hammer but without the AoE clearing potential, and doesn't do especially great damage on top. I can't conceive of any scenario in which I wouldn't prefer any of the other melee weapons over the power fist. That thing should be the undisputed king of single-target damage. Considering the sacrifice in range, speed, and AoE, a single light attack should always kill a minoris enemy, and a charged attack should put majoris enemies into execution.

[@ima0high0on0lunesta]

it does suck but the 1 thing it does better than hammer is perfect dodge frames. thunder hammer cant dodge out of its attacks but the fist can. i run a gunstrike build and fencing fist works hiliairously well against extreme and boss enemies

[@corvidcorax]

Power fist needs a damage buff so it can compete with top tier ranged options. It's weird how weapons like grenade launcher and las fusil far out damage a slow weapon that forces you to put yourself in danger just to use it. Power fist should at least be at least about as strong as those, maybe even stronger. Powerfist AoE isn't great but it has reach. It may not have as wide AoE as thunder hammer but I like the idea that Powerfist swings are so powerful that the force generated is enough to smack enemies a meter or two in front of you. Now only if the power fist could actually back that idea up with majoris staggering damage....

[@BravoHalcyon]

Hey don't stress too much about not knowing all the intricate ins-and-outs of the monster that is Warhammer 40k lore. Most people simply appreciate that you are putting in the effort to learn. Once you get really into it you'll get hooked and then two years later you'll realize you're a massive 40k nerd

[@gundricsgamesandhistory.9450]

Lore wise, it should be one of the most damaging weapons in the game, slow, but powerful. Just like the thunder hammer should be as well. Power fist can punch a hole in tank armour.

[@MothMan-jl3qh]

No worries about messing up the names, brother. There is A LOT of information to absorb. Also a lot of similar weapons with different names.

[@gibster9624]

The game is more or less a knowledge check. Some gear can move the needle more on its own but for the most part it's hard to say anything outright sucks. But the Powerfist is making a case.

[@matthewanderson6769]

Don’t be too hard on yourself man. A word slip here and there is natural when you’re new to any fandom. It is Good to have you with us brother.

[@pho7020]

Your videos are one of the more reliable and actual tried and tested type of review in this community, i appreciate that

[@DDmegadoodoo]

Leveled up the Powerfist the first week with the same hope... sorely disappointed. Powerfists are some of my favorite pieces of wargear on the tabletop game so I was bummed how crappy it is in this. I couldn't get it to work other than constantly spamming dodge and attack, slowly chipping everyone. They should really make the Powerfist the strongest single target damage melee weapon. The cleave and speed is pathetic, so I think it can afford to have a major boost in damage. Even bigger wish is if they gave it some kind of "grapple" (grabbing enemies in place) mechanic to make it play way more unique than other weapons.

[@alxsblv6164]

Finishers a fun thou...

[@corvidcorax]

​@@alxsblv6164 I don't see the custom finishers enough, I always get the generic ones. Also, would've been cool if one of the finishers had you grab a gaunt out of the air, crush his skull and toss the worthless carcass aside.

[@jackb4569]

i really thought the power fist would be a very high damage single target weapon. very disappointed when using it and realising it doesnt even do what it says its supposed to

[@ravenRedwake]

8:00 I have found the best counter to dealing with chaos is to just not play those levels. Like, maybe if they gave triple xp or armory data I’d consider it, but it’s “frustration machine” levels of lame.

[@pennywise1682]

Nah, its harder but you get used to it

[@rafaljarmuszkiewicz514]

Unless you play a sniper then chaos marines are your favourite enemy

[@poobs2361]

Chaos is much easier after the update. Obviously some classes will still struggle more than others but that aside it's much more bearable with the changes made

[@bstuartTI]

100% agree on your takes after testing it out myself. I didn't understand all the 'guides' with people using it. The weapon sucks. Some hopefully constructive crit: I'd spend less time responding to negative YT comments at the video start- this is a great video for the powerfist, but I had to skip forward past you talking about the comments from your last video, which you shouldn't assume everyone watched. 5 seconds to acknowledge is fine, but you went on for almost a minute talking about it; detracting from this video's purpose. anyways, still a very good video and breakdown of the weapon, much appreciated!

[@PistonDrivenGun]

The power fist should be every attack interrupts, but charging it does a 5 meter AOE around the fist. Which makes it a different dynamic because it isn't 100% around you. That be cool

[@moonlighthorchata]

Saber should release the gun gauntlets that Calgar has. Just melee that replaces sidearm you can aim with and shoot

[@chetmanley1885]

Calgar's are unique, and his definitely don't have sidearms on them. There's similar weapons, but having weapons in both hands is not possible in the game without a lot of work. Regardless, they'd still be a power fist, and still shit.

[@themagicalspacepapa3109]

@@moonlighthorchata those gauntlets are very unique. But there is an alternative the bolt storm gauntlet, but then again you already are holding a firearm on your other hand

[@FiendWS6]

​@@themagicalspacepapa3109 I don't care. Let me play the aggressor in gravis armor.

[@themagicalspacepapa3109]

@@FiendWS6 this is a valid respons, same

[@streven1331]

This is exactly how I feel about it too.

[@volcano3493]

I recently levelled up my Neovolkite weapon during PvE operation runs up to Relic. When my choice of class was taken too often by strangers (Vanguard) I had no choice other than to use the Assault/Power Fist to keep levelling this new gun. Chosen difficulty/operation was Lethal/Inferno. My mode of play, which was pretty successful, was also a bit counter-intuitive: I almost never performed melee attacks and instead used the neovolkite to do damage. When big mobs of Tyranid Warriors appeared the use of the Ground Pound was of course mandatory but apart from that initiating melee attacks with the power fist, unless you only face a single opponent, will leave you incapacitated on the ground as a multitude of opponents will shoot you to death. Nevertheless I got stuck in to draw attention to me so that snipers/heavies would have an easier time to pick their targets. In essence the main avenue to do damage was with gun strikes. Block the path of Tyranid Warriors so that the team mates can do their thing and then perform endless gun strikes to grind down the opponents.

[@motivepigeon]

They need to give this weapon extra damage on larger targets but less damage on smaller targets. The whole design was for heavy armored vehicles. It would make sense to make it excel against larger foes, but struggle with swarms. A way to go about it without touching the numbers is to give it a tiny bit more lunge, get rid of the AOE on light attacks, and have the good heavy combo start after the first hit.

[@renediem5218]

Same here, i really wanted to Main the powerfist on both classes that can use it... but its just pretty much cool asf but sadly kinda useless. Rly hope it gets worked on to make it viable. Also wouldn't say no to lightning claws as long as they are not simply underwhelming.

[@Icecube88]

was thinking about leveling power first. gonna hold off on that for a little bit after watching this vid. thanks.

[@lancehaderlie9587]

I feel like for several of the classes (assault, bulwark, sniper, and heavy) they could stand to tweak numbers to give each weapon option its own identity. A lot of them just feel like better/worse/faster/slower versions of the same weapon. When they should be weapons that fill different niches and deal with different enemy types better/worse

[@windwalker3081]

6:43 that little guy looking like “man wtf this dude doing” 😂

[@Mike-gx4hc]

thank you ! for showing the ground shake weapon perk - was looking to see if it was worth trying to get 6:16

[@snipermagoo]

It really wouldn't take much tweaking to turn it into either a single-target liquifier or to boost the shockwave into a crowd-control like it says it should be.

[@controlpain9314]

This man said the attacks is so bad it has to be bugged. Im crying

[@Exshooter101]

"Damage in a 10m radius" Meanwhile a Hormagunt stands unscathed like 1m away

[@asperry97]

I'm very pleased to see you've turned to Lore Master Luetin 09 for your information. In my opinion he is the greatest source to get a thorough knowledge of the entire history of 40k. I hope he masses a larger following in the future. He certainly deserves.

[@NotTylerT]

Maybe but I think it’s really fucking cool how u can have a huge arm and the other to shoot and guard

[@kpatt2006]

This is the last week of September and I haven't seen anything about their September update. My ultrawide still has big black bars of sadness on the sides.

[@simounobrien9096]

Now the patch came, the power fist lives up to its name

[@xchirs_]

I was actually curious how the powerfist was when I started my Assault class a few days ago. The assault class is definitely going to need to get a bit of love overall.

[@davemalone7006]

Welcome to 40K, it’s a great community and you’re more welcome here.

[@bstnlcge2662]

The power fist lacks stagger on charged attacks and AoE overall. That slam radius is a joke, I hope this is just a bug.

[@Shotgunky]

IMO I think increasing the Power Wave distance on this from 4 to 8 meters puts it into a decent space. The cleave is huge, so you can mulch crowds of Minoris enemies pretty well with a single charged attack.

[@danzite1333]

I'd like to hear your thoughts after today's update, the damage buff seems quite significant.

[@TrueVanguard]

so i just posted a video hitting the big parts of today's update, but I definitely will revisit the power fist and see how the damage increase changes things

[@sploosh6433]

Letting us combo the canon punch into more canon punches would be a neat niche

[@Someone-v1n]

What do you think of it now with 3.0

[@jasperrice8456]

I love the power fist. it offers great mobility and speed with pretty okay single target damage. It's also the only weapon that gives you stun immunity by default, and if used properly can make you almost unkillable as you can replenish armor with your 4th and 5th combo attacks.

[@jasperrice8456]

but also I dislike the power sword so maybe I'm just weird.

[@TheMuffinMan15]

Increase direct damage. Add a fairly large Shockwave to the area behind where you strike, dealing halfish damage and/or staggering enemies. Lean toward it being the dualing weapon it is meant to be with sprinkled in add control

[@MrRiceGuy95]

Powerfist just got a nice buff today!

[@sundance1337]

One thing I do that helps with my powerfist is popping the banner with the bulwark with the powerfist perk that heavy attacks fill contested health cause thats a cheap full heal in a pinch

[@sundance1337]

with the stacking perk that heavy attacks dont flinch

[@kenusaga]

Thank you for this. I started with the power sword and then tried to level up the fist. IT SUCKS and is no fun.

[@DeltDelt-j6n]

for the powerfist to become useful, every single regular blow should be a charged one and they should be as fast as not charge attack

[@ameeryoussef]

Uh I believe it's called the ENERGY FIST, TV, you CASUAL! Seriously though, thanks for the candid review. You almost never steered me wrong in Destiny and that continues in Warhammer

[@theminusziskey9175]

AS A DIE HARD WARHAMMER FAN Welcome, take your time, ask questions, get comfy, and enjoy!

[@orckenpork6045]

As a crimson fist fan, its a must have 😊.

[@CalAndAly]

As someone who’s a professional Warhammer player and a super lore aficionado, don’t let the med table sweats gatekeep you when it comes to getting the name of something wrong. The true 40 K community welcome new people getting into it and we should all have a laugh when someone mistakes a name since they’re all kind of goofy and over the top anyways. Keep on digging into leuton09 and making killer videos! I’m gonna try and link up and join the discord the game down with you lads!

[@TheStrongVirus]

I feel like, powerfist should be the stabbing version of thunder hammer, just as much damage to single targets. But, it isn’t swinging side to side. That’s what the heavy attack is for. Heavy attacks finishing off attack strings with a ground pound, knocking enemies around you back. If you charge the first normal attack, it does each consecutive attack charged, even the slam which now does bigger AoE push and damage.

[@cc66bb44]

The first thing that jumps out at me is the fact that the chain sword is rated the same as a melee wrap here. That's crazy. The powerfist should be more powerful than the thunder hammer and a bit faster

[@sojufett7434]

I wanted to love power fist. I really did. But it was an abusive relationship. I gave everything; the power fist gave nothing.

[@acfangaming]

Proposal. Thunder first moved closer single target dueling with larger parry window (similar to knife) this fits better with lore and gives assault a dueling weapon

[@pendantblade6361]

If you're going for lroe vids, Arbitor Ian is short and succinct! Anyway, still waiting for that patch to make the thunder hammer good. I'll main the power axe if it gets added too.

[@calebheisserer5391]

Thunder hammer isn’t bad, it’s better than the fist lol but I would absolutely take a buff assault is so fun

[@TheNorseCrow]

Second this. Arbitor Ian has great videos on the legions specifically

[@benoneli976]

Hi, i have all classes on 25 for a while now & 300+ hours on the game. The issue isnt the Power fist being underwhelming, its melee in generell. Saber needs to rework the way u can sustain yourself & buff the the melee dmg in generel

[@DankyMcJangles]

Hard disagree. This is some of the most satisfying melee game play I've experienced in a long while

[@CalebO-l6c]

​@DankyMcJangles it's still super under powerd In higher difficulty guns are just better the meele needs a buff because it's not enough

[@DankyMcJangles]

@@CalebO-l6c I'm having no difficulties in ruthless operations. I don't feel underwhelmed at all, aside from the power fist, and that's only somewhat due to it not functioning as intended. The chain sword and the combat knife are fantastic, as is, but I haven't tried the TH at all since I use it in Darktide. I've seen plenty of vids of people dominating ruthless with it though

[@SavageTengu]

​@@DankyMcJangles My guy, it's mash r1, hold r1, and click down r3. Yours is the wild take I doubt you're playing on ruthless. Contested health shouldn't be an afterthought on some weapons most can not fight through that much chip damage.

[@DankyMcJangles]

@@SavageTengu I am, in fact, playing on ruthless. I love how your argument is "hE mUsT bE lYiNg AbOuT dIfFiCuLtY." Thanks for your contribution to the discussion 🤦‍♂

[@diggles27]

well thought up review. I hope Saber watches the video and implements some fixes/tweaks

[@daveadams6489]

Courage and Honour TV, completely agree with you here that changea are needed with the fist. A lot of the time it just feels like the melee whiffs and it just doesn't provide a satisfying experience

[@greyknight627]

Gonna have to redo this one now that they buffed it after today's patch.

[@SinnerBeta]

It wants us to charge it, but if you start charging on anything above normal the horde will chew through you and just about you release it the warrior will go into a red attack.

[@brandonpotts54]

Have not done a lethal run yet, but have done a ruthless. Im still building it, but I have had moments where I was carrying the run. I have tried it in a crowd and done very well. That's crowd with two battle brothers down. You need to actually learn the combos and understand how to use the weapon. It doesn't matter if Im dueling or running crowd control with some ground and pound. Like I said, you have to learn how to use it. It's not a weapon you can spam and button mash. When you start understanding the nuance of the weapon system, you start having fun using it. Just like a real weapon. Upgrading is ass until relic. So get ready, lol.

[@KingOfCreampies]

Not sure if you’ve already done a heavy setup(I don’t think you have) but could you do a video on them? Just started a heavy class would like to see what you do with it

[@matttan8066]

Came back here after the updates, LETS GOOOO

[@newman30_]

I just started using the fist,so far its amazing,just spam heavies and you kill everything fast af

[@S34Mii]

It's just the least interesting melee weapon in my opinion. Power Sword and Chain Sword are both just beastly looking weapons. Combat Knife is supposed to be a dagger but in the hands of a space marine, it's a big as a machete. Power Fist is just an oversized fist. Not very interesting but still able to put in work for those who like to use it. I will get it to relic tier eventually but is very likely to be the last one I level up.

[@ChitosVids]

The powerfist is awesome. But to see how effective it is you really need to get good at parrying. it pushes back all around you. Thats what makes it great for hordes. I main this in highest difficulty but fencing version. I often leave combat with full armour and health

[@prostokeereell1286]

Yea if you pick fencing weapon and just parry + GUNSTRIKE fights become manageble, but my friend, what it has to do with the powerfist? What you described is any fencing weapon on assault class, which is why assault sucks in the first place

[@claudbutton8068]

New or not, i love the videos! I am new to it too so we get to experince the brutal reality that is the 40k universe!

[@GOBRAGH2]

I use it with the Bulwark. It works for me with that class.

[@greyknight627]

The recent patch fixed the damage.

[@OffToBattle]

Fervently upvoted for not just the content, which I'm interested in - real life has kept me from playing the game much lately - but oh yes thank you for your honesty about being new to Warhammer 40k, I mostly deal with fantasy stuff (Total War Warhammer 3, actually) but I'm no better than a dabbler myself. I recognize 'power fist' more from Fallout than 40k, and I only know the power sword well because of 40k Darktide the Vermintide successor. We are brothers in arms. Take care out there!

[@Evgeny_Korobitsyn]

"Bukwark" отлично использует powerfist, так как контролем мелочи занимается с чёт перка на отталкивание и урона по области после парирования. На больших сложностях у элитны много очков здоровья и бить их через лёгкую атаку и пинок - такое себе удовольствие. А применение " powerfist" на максимальной сложности можно посмотреть на канале Mr. Slid-er

[@ima0high0on0lunesta]

the 1 thing the powerfist does better than thunder hammer is dodging and that is very important for assault since our best build revolves around gunstriking things

[@micahb.194]

The power sword is the best all-around melee weapon imo.

[@ashleyhenderson9166]

Both the power faced and the power hammer needs a damaged boost if they're going to be that slow they need to hit a lot harder

[@rprlunn93]

The hammer works fine it's a crowd clear weapon. People moaning it doesn't destroy majoris need to read the tool tip and learnt the class. Swing it and it lines up 100s of gun strikes (which when you learn class you learn is your bread and butter so means you gun strike swing rinse and repeat and then dodge or parry majoris for rediculous gun strike damage even on ruthless. While you dodge and fun strike minors to keep armour topped up) and you can get through ruthless easy no stims needed and take out everthing. It is a skill issue and people playing it like a vanguard single melee damage or a tank bulwark. You shock troop/ cav get in damage out and back in

[@raminol8110]

​@@rprlunn93light attack on the hammer doesn't give you a gunshot. Earthquake does. On ruthless you will be obliterated if you will spam earthquake mindlessly. And yes, base damage of the hammer is garbage. Such slow weapon should hit harder.

[@rprlunn93]

@raminol8110 the attack from sprint or dodge gives you gun strike. You meant to keep moving. If you standing there swinging like a lemon in any class you doing it wrong. There's a perk that once you gun strike boosts your slam soo jump or sprint in gun strike slam and that gives loads of gun strikes or finishers if you need them cus you struggling. Learn the class

[@raminol8110]

​@@rprlunn93 its not class specific. Any melee weapon of any class in the game give you gun shot from running attack. You specified hammer, that where i correct you. Now you trying to change the subject like a clown.

[@rprlunn93]

@raminol8110 another player with a skill issue 👏

[@kedolan4992]

I don't know why they tried to make the power fist a crowd control weapon. It's supposed to be a slow, cumbersome anti-tank/anti-monster type weapon. Considering the power sword and thunder hammer both fill the crowd control niche quite well, it should've been the dedicated "anti-character" weapon, focused almost entirely on single target (with a little splash, sure) damage.

[@harrisoncurtis204]

Was just watching a stream with some guys one shotting each other in the sparring arena with the power fist, maybe due to this new update

[@nenn2868]

hard hitting? no crown control ? no long reach? no fast combo? no looks cool? yes!yes!yes!

[@Jagrofes]

Lore wise the powerfist is meant to be an anti-elite style weapon similar to the thunder hammer. They are both relatively unwieldy weapons that hit very hard. The thunder hammer usually penetrates armour a bit better, but the Powerfist is easier to use. For instance in the current edition of 40k, both the thunder hammer and Powerfist on a Space Marine have 3 Attacks, Strength 8, Armour Piercing -2, and Damage 2. The difference is that the Thunderhammer suffers a -1 to hit compared to the fist, but has a chance to almost completely ignore a targets defences. Say for instance on my Chaos Lord I setup as a melee beat stick, I have both because they have different roles. If I am attacking something really tough and want to maximise the damage that goes through, I go with the thunderhammer, but if their defences are a bit weaker I will use the fist for the greater accuracy. I have no idea what its role in SM2 is supposed to be.

[@goseals6]

I love the power fist move set and execution animations. I've made many attempts at trying to make this weapon good, but it's just hot garbage in PvE Operations. And this was even after they "buffed" it.

[@warriorfire8103]

And just like that power fist got a big buff 😂

[@randolphbienmateo8174]

Wearing power fist is like you're Saitama inside the power armour

[@jasperrice8456]

also, as a diehard true-blue warhammer ubernerd, don't sweat getting the lore or names or anything right. We all gotta start somewhere, and keeping all the names and meanings in your head is basically impossible. Hell, a huge number of superfans get a whole lot of things wrong all the time.

[@SuperArppis]

Man this weapon was the one I was looking forward to... I was so disappointed by it. I REALLY hope they will buff it. Thanks for making this video to confirm my feelings about it.

[@deadra66it]

It's nice on paper but the aoe needs a fix likewise its unique ability. I think the power fist biggest perk imho is the immunity to knockback which really is not working. The charge attacks doesnt need to be hold that long once you hear the charge sound that's treated as heavy attack.

[@Powaup]

As a long time 40k nerd. I welcome you to the world! Don’t pay the naysayers no mind we can just particular about things sometimes lol

[@jingle9691]

I've maxed out the power fist recently, it's so much fun to use for a while but you quickly realize as you go up difficulties with it that it just doesn't do enough AoE damage and taking on hordes with it just isn't viable. Where it shines is one on one fights but all the best fists for parrying are so slow at swinging that you often get interrupted with your combos. The chain sword is much more diverse, it can manage groups of enemies with the stomp combo and the swings are fast enough to chain some good attacks on 1v1 fights. It's a real shame because it's the closest thing we have atm to lighting claws which I want to role play as Raven guard... BRING US LIGHTNING CLAWS

[@SwiftQuinn]

And 2 days after the drop power fists got buffed and assault slam got buffed 😂

[@TrueVanguard]

heck yeah they did, time to dive back in and see how it feels

[@maximusd26]

i've been maxing assault (still dk why ppl complain about difficulty since you can clear ruthless at lvl 10) the thunderhammer to enjoyable but those little time windows are either bait or no forgiveness, if you charge an attack, there's a 100% chance your ennemy will always hit earlier if he's close, making them almost unusable if you have low HP, a 0.1 second animation buff would help

[@TATERplaysGAMES]

I love the power fist. Its just so damn satisfying.

[@dredgen0268]

I just wish they’d fix the damn servers and match making

[@arrgylerawrgyle3784]

The peer to peer system killed the multiplayer in SM1. I have a feeling they learned nothing.

[@ImNotMack]

And ultra wide support it sucks sometimes not being able to see a nice amount of the screen when I’m surrounded

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

​@@arrgylerawrgyle3784there is no peer to peer in this game when youre in mission.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

​@@ImNotMackits coming the upcoming patch. Check the road map

[@arrgylerawrgyle3784]

@@sturmmagnunstein1008 fine but the matchmaking to get into the damn mission sucks as much as the old system

[@thedurn8560]

They need to add a way to charge a cannon punch on the move.

[@sousouluteru9223]

Lore of the Deathwatch -The Fist of Dragos is an over-charged Power Fist, prone to violent overloads, that was once wielded by the successful Brother Dragos of the Long Watch. Dragos was never satisfied with the performance of his wargear. After every engagement, he would return to the Chapter forges and beseech the Techmarines to make adjustments and modifications. The Techmarines protested that such tinkering would offend the Machine Spirits, but given Dragos's victories in the field, his wishes were usually granted. His obsession was finally ended when his overcharged meltagun exploded in his hand as he attacked an Ork Dreadnought. His power fist was recovered intact along with his mangled body. Only in death does duty end.FOR THE EMPEROR!!!

[@ΒασιληςΓιαννελος-ε4θ]

Is this before the buff?

8:35 - The last thing I wanna mention about the Power Fist, and that's you can't see SHEEET! hahahhaha made me laugh genuinely! Yeah, Power Fist is underwhelming compared to other spankers looking at you Power Hammer

[@michaele8157]

Absolutely needs a rework. Man, I want it to be good so badly 😢 I have so many models painted up with them and jump packs ... I NEED it to be good. Lol PLEASE for the love of Sanguinius!

[@vedasisme]

They devs need to understand the "I CAST FIST" fantasy!

[@DrTarte]

Welcome to Warhammer, we have flying robot baby angels 😁

[@markuscurran2373]

They need to add the power claw

[@joshuacrofton2203]

Maybe the weapon is bad, or maybe its AoE is bugged. I would prefer if it was the latter so there's hope for it to be a good weapon. The guys below also made a great point that the power fist in the board game and lore is more of an anti-vehicle and anti-monster weapon. I would love to see a rework that transforms it into a bossing tool, like a heavy version of the combat knife. So far, we don't have such an option for the Thunder Hammer or Power Sword (excluding the normal mode). I appreciate you researching the weapon and suffering through it. This does spare me from investing into a weapon that will just hurt me in the long run

[@sneaky5141]

trouble is it is never worth clicking melee on a melee weapon in any situation in this game outside of an emergency minoris gun strike which any white rarity sprinting attack will do your melee is a parry button and NOTHING else. it is always better and fastter toempty your sidearm in the enemies face

[@pole8740]

they really do need to ad animation canceling, you can with parry but why no with dodge it’s so strange