DOES WING CHUN WORK? (MUST SEE!!!)

[@joejayno]

Every art works if you know what your doing

[@MrMigros123]

That's probably the shortest and best answer ever.

[@michaelreynolds6543]

and there you have it people its not the "art" but the practioner . . .i make whatever i have work . . i study wing chun and i have modified it to suit me and to look at it you may well say "aaah thats not wing chun" who cares ? in karate there is no such thing as a first strike ( at least not in modern karate) and it all comes down to this . . .most "arts" are sports based, most arts teach the block & counter method both are flawed for street survival inj my experience its best not to wait to be attacked read the situation and be pre-emptive . . forget the head i ALWAYS start with the leading leg / kneecap and work my way up depending on the situation we all know there is no right or wrong in all this there is nothing wrong with wing chun its concepts are sound its the applications that are difficult to get right . . you can forget stances structure (to a degree) forms etc . . . follow the centrline principle hit first hit fast and hit hard then disengage and get out of there !!i spend alot of time on a special dummy i had built to order and i practice and perfect entry techniques that are aggresive and to the point these stikes do not rely on an attack from my opponent . . . they are honed and submitted to my muscle memory and i do not even have to think about deployment in a situation . .what is hard is giving myself the "green light" i pay attention to pre-fight build up i read the situation and my first technique is . . .deception i suggest to anyone reading this to go read geoff thompson 3 second fighter untill then you do not have a clue about what is happening the knowledge this book ( and the "fence") gives you is worth a thousand techniques and together with your chosen "art" will give you confidence and ground you

[@michaeltruthson6262]

Jo Jayno 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👊👊👊👊👊👊thank God you know what you are talking about!!!!!! yes

[@Soysaucemoto]

This!

[@aurourus6894]

I don't think my spinning broom of death technique is that good.

[@qewproduction]

I remember unknowingly sparring a Wing Chun man for the first time about a year ago. I had to make adjustments as I had never encountered that type of aggressive "sticking" before. It made for very interesting sparring. What I quickly learned in that sparring session was that as soon as we made "contact" he intended to stay in contact with his attack. When I realized this, I made a point to try to be first and move forward on him with a flurry of punches before he did it to me, lol... Wing Chun is no doubt effective for those who know how to use it I"d say.

[@poorkwamoi]

Love the sticky hands. You hit it on the nail. Wing Chun's Hallmark is sticky hand. I use it a lot in my BJJ to take guys down that are 20-30 years younger than I am and frustrate them.

[@FracturedPixels]

Met a really deadly bloke once. His background was in wing chun but he called himself a practitioner of not getting your head punched in, and he told me exactly that; the best counter to someone who's good at sticky hands is a flurry of punches, and the best counter to a flurry of punches is a slightly faster flurry of punches.

[@MrMatchboxman]

Wing Chun varies a bit. I was always taught that the time to close the gap is when the opponent launches their attack. Tell your mate to give that a try. The wing Chun I did was a very predatory style... no moving back (unless you have to). As soon as they flinch you're in, dont matter if it's a fake, just go forward and rely on structure, momentum and speed. This, of course, as well as their usual tactic.

[@benob6746]

Exactly

[@anthonyallen9560]

That’s the best explanation I’ve ever heard wow!!! Amen Not all martial arts fit the personality of practitioners.

[@KuenSuiKuen]

Well said...I think any functional WC practioner will agree. Bless

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

KuenSiuKuen: Thanks!

[@Henry-cy2kk]

BEAUTIFUL Real-World assessment! You sir, clearly know what you're talking about... Thank you so much for the clarity! You Rock.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Henry: Most people do not want the truth about the fighting arts. You came to this channel. What that means is YOU "Rock".Thanks for your support.

[@nostyle9169]

I enjoyed your take very much. I've been in MA a very long time and began hard style Japanese and Okinawan, later Kung -fu. However everything began outside with close gap, enter, and exchange. Once inside I also felt and knew that my fighting ability lacked at that inside range. Took boxing and that helped but still lacking contact could not totally control opponebt unless my blows landed. I found Wing Chun in the late 80's and it totally changed my game. Suddenly I could explode in using the speed, techniques, fakes, and faints I learned in hard style, and once I was inside there was no rush to get out because I felt very comfortable at that range. Hence, my confidence and ability went exploded. I know from personal experience that WC is awesome inside but I also know that had it not been for many years of training footwork, distance, timing, and movement I would have never reached the level of success I have reached in my MA career. WC completed my game, and my past experience contributed to my WC success. Thanks for a super video, and understanding the game. Keep it up!

[@stevebb2915]

This video was on point as always. Some arts just aren't designed for the western notion of sparring. youngsters and inexperienced people don't realise that real world fighting starts at a much closer range than in combat sports usually

[@stephenpack2202]

absolutely correct spot on wing chun is very aggressive but you must close the gap. be able to bridge your opponent with power and structure sense the openings. great points

[@prime14901]

i appreciate you making this video brother, you out into words how i feel about some of the wing chun community, and yea again what great blessings it is for so many people to kno about the art now, its just not for every 1. My teacher always said finding an art that suits you should be your first focus not because of its popularity. great video

[@Dan53196]

In EBMAS wing tzun we work on explosive foot work to bring us in range but if the opponent is out of range we leave him alone; if he wants to attack, he must come into range. Even if he darts in and out like perhaps a boxer, we use foot work to stick to him and then apply constant pressure attacking multiple levels simultaneously; legs, jamming arms and striking. I used to box and this was one of the things that I experienced with my instructor that made me believe the effectiveness of it. The problem is, most systems don’t practice any kind of footwork.

[@poorkwamoi]

Daniel Williamson You are spot on. Footwork is the most important. Famous Chinese proverb:. teach student hands, teacher beats student. Teach student feet (Footworks) student beats teacher. Most people practicing wing chun works only on hands and arms. The masters use internal works with their feet that most students do not see or are not taught until later. Great comment

[@Noah-pc6wq]

You just made me realise guys like Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, Joe Frazier, they'd all have been very good at Wing Chun.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Yup!

[@mr.blackman3312]

+TheUmmahFightCamp great comment, Duran would almost catch punches using wing Chung techniques when he fought in the clinch.

[@myronsmith2114]

Noah- Duran would have been a master of Wing Chun

[@geertmulder8881]

Well said, the main reason why it wouldn't work for most people in my opinion is the tensing up while a fight starts. it removes the feel from a fight. you don't have the fast relaxed movement, as you would have in sparring.

[@kj3rd2657]

I agree with everything you said in your video. Very good info on WC. I use my WC inside as a surprise attack and to take a person out real fast and hard, before they can realize what I am using on them. To me WC is not for going 5 rounds in a real street fight. I study WC on and off for 5+ years, but I change it to fit me and it has worked for me real good. Thanks for your good video.

[@alex09aries]

Another good vid Sayf and very true too , Wing Chung for me worked best when I combined it with western boxing.

[@veronidimitrov4883]

Respect man! Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. Really tired of all the people just trash talking hidden behind their computer screens. Well done! Keep doing what you are doing peace.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Veroni, thanks dude. Appreciate it.

[@jpmann5802]

I forgot to add the mentality of people is fad based. Many styles are overlooked for the street as they may not be effective individually in the UFC. Unless you are fighting on the beach in your skimpies Clothing is not considered an important factor when it very much is. Fights don't happen much on the beach anyway as most people are chilling and tanning. Judo grab your garms up and hip toss onto the pavement. Overlooked. Tigerstyle Kung fu. Blind,scratch,gauge, your opponent. Overlooked. The Streetfight move called 'Drapes' (grab up somebody by their clothes pull them off balance and all over the place then add strikes if you choose to). No clothes to grab in a UFC fight. Furthermore it's raining you are in jeans and it kicks off all the TKD tools get shortened as your kicking gets handicapped. Then wing chun comes in sweetly block,and punch. Scene and setting are very important and MMA is a sport. This is why Keysi and Krav Maga and the above styles are important. However mastery is taking the style you have and making it work in a practical sense not in the politics of the dojo. Which is why I would love for you to do a video on blocks against boxing strikes using Karate and Wing Chun. Let me know if that's sounds cool to do?

[@deanb7194]

JP Mann exactly judo has helped me more than anything else then boxing

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

JP: A lot to go over lol, I will get around to that. GW.

[@gtarluvnman]

A lot people latch on to ideas that move away from the practical purpose of the martial arts or self defense. Once you have moved away from the main principles of art or self defense effectiveness fades. So the question is "what is your truth? ". What are you expecting from your training?

[@nyclee9133]

I’m no student in wing chun but I am in. Hung gar but I used a wing chun punch and I knocked out this guy silly when I tried using it like jeet kune do it didn’t work or boxing but when I stayed relaxed and calm and the moment he moved that chi sao and a punch showed up right in his face sensitive is crazy in a fight just one punch that’s how fast real fights are no rules

[@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555]

It's a matter of finding the right instructor teaching it. Only reason why I got into JKD is because my instructor knew what he was doing and this is something I seen with my own eyes first hand, not just with other people, but even myself attacking him for real. JKD works really well in the streets but the problem is, too many people have watered down these systems for commercialized reasons.(JKD is also a complete system that's flexible and can be adjusted when applied correctly) Wing Chun, JKD, and Aikido(which is even more complicated) are not for everyone.(Seagal is a 7th dan in Aikido and a very good teacher from his documentary video he put out, but even Seagal has added other things to his Aikido, and no one style is gonna have all the answers) And if you don't have a teacher that understands the concepts and knows how to apply it in actuality, it won't work. And it also takes several years to get good at these systems, it's not something you're going to get quick results at. 6 months to a year isn't enough time.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Kenny Lopez: That is my issue with most teachers and martial arts: It should NOT take 6 years to be able to fight.

[@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555]

Oh I didn't say anything about it taking 6 years to be able to fight, I was saying that some systems are more complicated than others to be truly effective at it and requires a little more time than others. But anything takes time to get to an elite level, even if you know all the basics. You'll get your exceptions to the rule sometimes though. Some styles are better for sport where others aren't...it all depends on the style but it also depends on the individual using it. Like not just anyone is gonna be able to use Mike Tyson's peek a boo style and use it effectively, which you even made videos explaining why.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Kenny Lopez: Boxing is a sport. I only "tolerate" sport fighting, I do not support it other than a tool. Self defense is not the same. I teach "In reverse". People learn to fight as soon as they come in the door. That is why they are there.

[@Philip-dy3ww]

“Personality matches style “ is so so true!

[@paulkersey1007]

Sir, I am not a hundred percent sure as to how much Wing Chun you know, however allow me to please say that I have been practicing this art for nearly 18 years and I thank you for making this video and really telling the truth about the art. It is an unfortunate shame that we live in a world in which people judge Arts, and human beings based upon appearance only. On behalf of my Academy, my instructors, as well as my students, we thank you for giving a very genuine perspective on this art.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Anthony Chu: I started boxing when I was 9 years of age and after training in other martial arts for 10 years, I started Wing Chun to get some of the close up fighting principles. . I was able to advance quickly because Of my boxing background. I raised my back leg and did a few other things that are not traditional, but I clearly used WC concepts. I got to level Chum Kiu. I am in no way a master of WC, but I can say first hand that it is very useful. In fact, my plans are to do a follow up on this video because of a question I got a few weeks ago. I will notify when it is up. Lastly, I am very flattered by your comment. It makes the criticism I receive worth the irritation. Peace and blessings to you sir, Sayf C.

[@nabzalrash4955]

Escrima/Kali and Silat are great feeling arts as well. Spot on video, you need to have the mentality for an art. If you aren’t aggressive and mentally tough for example you shouldn’t do kyokushin

[@carl-stevensinkler163]

Finally clarity....💯 bless you brotha

[@michaeltruthson6262]

BROTHER thank you thank you so much for this beautiful scientific break down of Martial Arts.

[@glennr2358]

Absolute spot on video Sayf.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Glenn Richards: Thanks dude.

[@GeekWingChun]

Thank you for these understanding words, my friend. Your words echo something I have thought for ages: the style does not make the person work...the person makes the style work.

[@redbrown7355]

Wow!! As a student and then Sifu for the last 20yrs, and watching my art form get constantly bad mouthed on social media (at a distance I might add, LOL!!), it is refreshing to hear someone who is obviously highly qualified to speak to this topic. And to be so clear and concise about what and who we are as practitioners of this martial art. The one good thing that has come out of being bad mouthed on social media all the time by unqualified people is that it has truly allowed me to develop patience with ignorance. Because, everyone that has come before me has always walked away with a genuine appreciation for what we do. So thank you brotha for the educated assessment of WCKF.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Red Clay: I once thought WC was garbage until I started using the concepts from more of a boxing stance. I also saw a man in the UK named James Sinclair practice with his students. It is my belief that the best WC fighters are from the UK

[@redbrown7355]

That is a strange comment to make because we have brothers here in the US who are phenominal WC Practitioners (I'm in Northern California, Home of Ken Chong and Eddie Cheung). I'm from the Ip Man lineage 5th generation. Many of the people in my Family Tree are very well trained and qualified to be Sifu's I assure you. But it all has to do with the individual. The knowledge can be presented but you can't force a person to walk through the door into the knowledge of WC. Just like any artform, they have to truly desire to be great or it becomes an exercise in futility.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Red Clay: It actually is not a "strange" statement if I had never heard of the people you speak of. Many people have not heard of me, but few people have as much experience. It happens. Sinclair got my attention because of his approach and that of his students. It still does.

[@redbrown7355]

Okay, it's cool. I appreciate a lot of the guys over there as well. But are you trying to say that you've heard of the people that I speak of and find their knowledge sub-parr? Or am I not comprehending what you're texting?

[@redbrown7355]

My comment was actually referring to your "best WC fighter's are from the UK" comment. One of the best WC Practitioners I've seen in the UK is Sifu Evangelos, who was trained by Sifu Gary Lam, who resides in Southern California. He's awesome!! If you haven't seen either of these guys check them out on KZbin.

[@khonrak]

Wing Chun, Self defense, up close hands on combat, finish it off quickly, Superb advise. Thanks for posting. Freedom & Peace, always !

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Nick Scott: Hey dude! I try to respond to everyone although it is not easy. Thanks for your comment. Peace and blessings, Sayf C

[@mokyan7]

Good discussion of personality, mindset. I started wing chun several years back and it was my first style. I still practice it, and only in past couple years do I feel much more confident with it. I do like Bruce Lee and JKD. Also I took a Krav class for a year and it helped open my mind and work on falling, getting up, distance, weapon redirects, etc. it improved my skills, shadow boxing, flow more. I also do footwork drills such as for boxing and it helps me move quicker, change angles, stay loose but reroot quickly. I am okay at Chi sau but what has really helped in recent times is that we do various distance drills, attacker closes, you do 2 or more attacks, take turns, perhaps 15-20% power - but you practice actually touching the attacker, so you get used to the right distance. My mindset doesn’t think about what the attacker might do. When he is in range I just flow, strike close target, keep going until threat stopped. Sometimes I do freestyle practice on the wooden dummy and see what results. Sometimes I see ideas in my mind and then try them out, to internalize flow, feel, skills. I also practice hitting heavy bag and wall bags to build power, rooting, etc. I always seek to learn more. I would like to do more basic BJJ ground work too to blend into wing chun. I have experimented with straight and turning punches, various WC techniques on the ground, they work well but have to focus on getting back up ASAP, shifting off assailant. I suppose I also enjoy the self improvement aspect of kung fu and living in peace as much as you can.

[@OGFITNESS]

Wow, that opened up my mind. Excellent video. Subscribed!

[@moelstone4187]

Well said brother. I'm still training but i have yet to have a sparring partner best me when I'm using the art. I do mix it with a couple other things but every time I'm close it's instinct to go with the art and it's very effective.

[@eternalspring6520]

Excellent video!!

[@HansaGBB]

Probably the best video about Wing Chun. Thanks sir.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Hansa: Thank YOU Sir. :)

[@lsporter88]

I respect that answer, it makes perfect sense.

[@emersonmacintosh7673]

Spot on! Nothing wrong with WC but when I tried to study it the stances and footwork felt counter-intuitive to me and the techniques seemed even more finesse dependent than karate. Not my cup of tea but I've studied the philosophies of many martial arts that aren't right for me because they still have a lot to offer. One instructor just has to give you one good piece of wisdom and it can improve your martial arts extensively. Most martial arts are also better than nothing if you've made up your mind why you're studying them in the first place so you know what you want out of it. That way you can figure out if you're getting what you want or not. I realized right away WC wasn't going to give me what I was looking for so I moved on.

[@jpmann5802]

Respect Sayf! That was your best Video yet.

[@Taekwon-Brando]

Chi sao has so many parallels with handfighting in wrestling, my sifu loves sensitivity training but sparring is the top of his priority list

[@pascal0868]

Good points brother. The challenge nowadays to the chunner and to any striker is the grappler/clincher. You are now in their territory. Without stopping power, non lethal stopping power, the chunner us screwed.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Pascal o: The problem with people who lose to grappler is the conventional way they engage them. Punch them in the nuts, they will let go of the arm! Bite into their ear and they will loosen their grip. NP at all. When people talk about anyone being in trouble with a grappler they are usually talking about sport. I do not teach that.

[@samplerlee4727]

I wasn't trying to be disrespectful I was just agreeing with you. you're right about your aspects of Wing Chun. that's what I meant to say is a lot of Wing Chun practitioners just practice and don't actually develop the fighting style I don't believe in Styles either I believe it in a person being a fighter and a person not being a fighter

[@adampress9788]

Excellent advice

[@jkrisanda2011]

Really can't argue with all that....

[@mehdiriza4483]

Thanks for that insight, Sayf. I once read that Bruce Lee said he originally got into Wing Chun because the in-close fighting was more suited to his poor eyesight than other Kung Fu styles. Of course later on he adapted techniques from boxing and many other martial arts to make up for the gaps in his knowledge.

[@SP-kx3xm]

"Show me a personality, I'll show you a style"...TRUTH!!!

[@leavemealone2006]

Hi Sayf, well said! Most people in Wing Chun only train in close range, so of course they will be awkward at a distance. I also really enjoyed your point on matching style with personality. That is a topic I have pondered about on my own. Could I humbly ask if you could make a video about that topicin the future?

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

leavemealone2006: you mean matching style with personality?

[@leavemealone2006]

TheUmmahFightCamp Yes exactly. I would love to hear your thoughts on what styles match well with different personalities.

[@frankalbanese1491]

Very insightful.

[@PierceSunderseatsRAMEN]

"...very poor kickboxers; Who also happen to be drunk." I shake my head that you have to say some of this though.

[@aceofangles1774]

It depends on the person who uses it and if the person is practicing right

[@re-mem-brremember7452]

I honestly don't think that the Chinese REALLY invented kung fu because they can not apply it at the highest levels of fighting. It's always a black man that can apply all of these arts at high levels. Specifically i believe that Wing Chun is more about grappling than what is traditionally taught. They don't teach this because they don't really know it.

[@goldenturtle111]

You are right, but I might add that if people stay 5 feet away when fighting in Wing Chung (and other similar close-combat styles) it is because the mental models of fighting we see, mostly MMA, does it like that. I believe that that model can be broken and that people are not eternally stuck inside their of it.

[@ruachhakodesh01]

Great Explanation!!!

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

ruachhakodesh01: Thanks!

[@obsidianx01]

You are absolutely right .... everyone is practicing it wrong..... it is a short strike, sticking art

[@nahyoudontsay7537]

I love this video sir well done.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Thank you sir!

[@finding_aether]

Let's get real, Ip Man's claim to fame was that he was the teacher of Bruce Lee, who discovered the stuff his master was teaching was not very good when he tried to use the stuff against other martial arts.

[@MrMichaelmoonchild]

perfectly said brother.

[@pausetapemedia7942]

When you get the Time can you talk about American Kenpo or Ed Parker??

[@bennysifu3928]

I practiced wing Chun for 12 years and in my opinion it’s works for close combat but if your far away from someone it will not work that when you have to think to like use your legs and some kind of weapon near you but in close combat it depends how you use it cause most people they back up and there scared of attacking the opponent but all you need to do is block grapple trap and attack also most people kick and fast punch and they side punch and uppercut which is pretty easy to block you just have to flow like water and dodge those hits but it take skill to do wing Chun it’s supposed to be for women that’s why a women made wing Chun for women to defend themselves from men hurting them.

[@Capius1272]

Solid Vid. Wing Chun absolutely fits my "personality" as well as my body build. I've literally ended fights quickly due to the speed of bridging and a few blocks and a combo strike including head butts. Again great exploitation of Wing Chun principle.

[@carlosmurray1528]

D ont judge this guy by appearance. He is level headed and educational. I watched to 13:21 when i came to this conclusion. Idef miss judged him.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

carlos murray: I appreciate your comment, but I want to say this: I am likely the most experienced person on KZbin for the amount of arts I am qualified to teach at the advanced level. None of which was learned by DVD! Boxing for 46 years, wrestling high school and Jr college, Karate (black belt under the 2 major pioneers of FULL-CONTACT BARE KNUCKLE karate), Filipino Kali (Advanced Level), Silat (advance level), Brown belt (Judo), Wing Chun (Biu-Jee level), Muay-Thai (Instructor level) Today I teach my own method of combatives. Add to that the fact that I will be backing off from posting videos in the near future to start towards my Phd in Philosophy a journey I started as a 17 year old after I entered college with SATs 200 points higher than Al Gore and 230 points higher than GW Bush. My appearance is actually of a Black man with a beard. Now if a person thinks my "appearance" would inspire one to think I was not bright, maybe that is why most people from abroad think Americans are primitive. Not to mention that I am fairly handsome in a rugged way :)

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

carlos murray: I forgot to mention that before I became a nice guy, as a younger hot head I had knocked out a few people and spit on them as they slept. They had it coming though. I assure you that I am reformed, but "real".

[@hollogabor9599]

Wise speech, congratulations!

[@cindymananzalamartinez6679]

Wing chun could be helpful, if used properly as a supplement to boxing or other martial arts. You just have to make minor adjustments to movements that are weak and unreliable in a real fight, like the closed elbow punches that don't have power. Wingchun punches pull strength from the elbow to the fist, when it should be from the foot upwards to the shoulder and then to the fist.

[@generalshockwavekingpin326]

Great points that you make, Mr. Carman/ Ummah Fight Camp.

[@michaeltruthson6262]

Every art works if the teacher but more importantly the "practioner" again I say the "practioner" knows what he or she is doing. Oh and if you get rid of the jeet kune do Hollywood movie magic bullshit and Wing Chung is amazing.

[@kaindrg]

Hey sayf id also like to note that. Wing chun and many okinawan karate styles are cousin styles in that they originated in the same region of china. If you look at other related styles of karate and kung fu. They have similar katas. What is especially interesting is that the crane style wing chun is descended from is actually the same or similar regional style uechi ryu and gojunryu takes its partial parentage from. This is all because the region china in question has a unique connection with okinawa since they were the source of okinawas chinese and society culture prior to japans annexation

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

kaindrg: True. MOST Goju-ryu practitioners do not train in KAKIE which is like Chi Sau, but more intense.

[@kaindrg]

The dna between wing chun and goju and uechi ryu are what i call sanchin styles. where the opening forms are pigeon toed. In china there used to be a lot of village styles that were part of the large family of styles.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Okay lol

[@kaindrg]

TheUmmahFightCamp hey sayf do you have an opinion on why sakuraba was successful against the gracies?

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

I like all of them, but I do favor Suparinpei

[@Emmanuel-ti6ym]

Golden Nuggets of wisdom. Just subscribed.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Emmanuel Lescouflair: Good to have ya with us! You are in for many surprises! We have changed course and this will be more to what we are about. Stay in touch. Any questions, ask. :)

[@robbyD649]

Any art is viable...depends on the person....the will the fight is most the important thing....calming your fear and staying focused under high stress of a fight so you can let your muscle memory perform your art without thinking about doing thos move or that move....be like water....

[@florisvanlingen]

I agree with many points you make in this video. It's the kind of people that train it and for what kind of reasons. How they train and how good their teacher is. Under ip man there's only a few students who really went out there and fought like wong shun leung. Other then going out and fighting he spend like 20 years training with ip man. My instructor first started in the wang kiu system at age 7 and learned wsl from barry lee(the machine) later on. I know that lineage matters, but being realistic is even more important. My instructor can only give me the tools, I need to build. Rome wasnt built in a day, and notwith little effort. A man who know's a 1000 kicks is not more dangerous than a man who practices one kick a 1000 times. Ving-tsun has many techniques, a boxer has less. To be able to be as good you might need to train 4x as hard and this is the reality. I'm not even taking personality and body type into a count. To be good at wing-chun you need to be a perfectionist.To be good at JKD you need to understand wing-chun. You must understand that wing-chun works in close and not at a far. You can train to make it work but not by rushing in with chainpunches you just practiced for 2weeks. I have been doing wing-chun for 10+ years now under my instructor but he tells me that me my dad, brother and I are exceptions when it comes to the kinds of people that comes to our gym. They wont train as motivated intense and as long as we do. This wasnt in my nature but it developed because of my dad draging me to training when I didnt feel like going. Martials arts is hard work , not imitating a movie.

[@larrycancooke2]

Well said...inside fighting...

[@pelletey]

By inside you just mean close right? Because inside can also mean directly in front of the opponent, rather than on their side(or back). It would be best to stay on the outside in close if you don't want to be hit by both the opponents hands or legs rather than just one side.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

pelletree r: Standing in front of an opponent can be done if your offense is constant. The biggest issue is when people pause in-close and in front. Ideally many things are better. The problem is, the other guy has the same goal. It is a case of getting there first.

[@pelletey]

yeah it's optimal to get onto the outside of an opponent but can't always be done, especially if they are front on and are pivoting or have you in a clinch.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yes, Many if Wing Chun techniques are meant to be used while on the outside your opponent cannot attack you properly.

[@Rupfer79]

Very good Video!

[@jacoblookenbill7045]

That was well said....I'm not telling you that you're right....that would be pointless...we both already know you're right....however i am saying that your piece there was well articulated....cheers from jersey

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Jacob Lookenbill: Thank you and I know you mean well, but I AM a very smart man lol. One of millions like me. Most Philosophy majors with my former GPA sound like me. Thanks though.

[@jacoblookenbill7045]

Now you went and played yourself.....disappointing

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

@@jacoblookenbill7045 : Actually No, YOU played yourself. You see, you want to hold me to a standard that fits how and what YOU think I should be. Perhaps, you did not read the "memo" I, do not live off of youtube and that allows me much freedom. I can tell the truth about EVERYTHING and can still eat well. For you, me having confidence is "playing myself". THAT is "disappointing", but to be expected.

[@bogdanstevanovic9850]

short distance with punching from one point (box, muay thai, wing chun...) VS long distance with in and out footwork(karate)

[@mokyan7]

Just thought of something else, over time with wing chun you just feel that a strike can work, that force can be redirected, etc. Not mysticism but perhaps muscle memory, you don’t have to think you just do. But please keep thinking, ha ha

[@sho0oz]

Where did your loma rant video go? Man you made great points.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

toby keomysay: Hey man, I removed it for a bit. It got comments that I wanted to answer and it took to long to address some of the negativity. May re post it.

[@sho0oz]

TheUmmahFightCamp I understand, in regards to the negativity you raise SO MANY POINTS though. The sheer lack of respect for someone who is clearly a true practitioner of western boxing. Your videos are great man, you can really feel the emotion in your words. I hope you do repost/edit it because I literally watched the whole thing twice in a row. Keep up the great information!

[@gonefishingstudios]

Salam Brother I agree with every word you said. I just wish there were more instructors with your deep understanding of human combat..Im incorporating some wing chun trapping techniques along with muay thai clinch and wrestling/judo to have a solid close range game. Whats the differences between chain punches and rapid uppercuts to the body? not much right? Both are forms of pugilism after all. Wing chun excels when combined with boxing, especially in the close range, you have hooks and uppercuts and traps and various short range hand techniques that work extremely well , for example theres a technique where you get the back of the head and uppercut or throat with a leopard fist with the other hand which could be used very well in the clinch. One of the best instructors who exemplifies close range wing chun to the max is sifu kong chi keung from hong kong (from discovery channel fightquest). I have found that boxing footwork and in particular the double jab can be used well to close the distance to get inside and apply inside boxing and wing chun techniques. Also Sayf wanted to know whats your thought on the ninjutsu movements like shinobi science and master karim? Its always been a style Ive been interested in.

[@james6818]

gonefishingstudios what in the name of fuck is a leopard fist. Is it a finisher from Tekken 2?

[@raian4815]

I want to do wing chun, but after watching this video, i don't understand all of the personality thing... yes i liked the movies of ip man and for bruce lee i lowkey im not really a fan of him... the reason why i like wing chun is because wing chun is different from others.. it has trapping and has straight blast... it has such detail moves which i believe if mastered and done correctly could be deadly.. also i've seen the linage of wing chun and how it is represent now and i just want to prove to the world that its not useless but i really dont know if it is useful.. the only experience of fighting i have is like 3 to 4 weeks of boxing and my style was peek a boo style and the style i did like it and it worked for me.

[@ryohazuki3071]

fighting identity. great video.

[@keanan5360]

How do you think a Wing Chun practitioner would stand up to a Thai clinch?

[@shadscott6422]

Awesome insight

[@BeGoodNow5]

Good video!

[@jakecook8470]

It's the anti-grappling art using sensitivity thru bridging. Nice vid.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Jake Cook: Great explanation in 1 sentence!

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yeah. But you do grapple in Wing Chun, like... a lot.

[@CaspianCEO]

I'm 6'4" Muay Thai practitioner but, I usually don't use my range (don't usually need it tbh) and really like low kicks and elbows. You think muay thai is for me?

[@complexblackness]

What are your thoughts on Kajukenbo?

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

ComplexBlackness: I HATE talking "style" lol. I only do it when asked to. It really does NOT make much difference what style you train in. It all comes down to intent and gross motor skills that will not portray you when it is real.

[@rickharris5888]

Every art is best depending on circumstances and the artist.

[@alexjokic6820]

Let me say different way. You are very good preacher. I respect your preaching.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Ajzenit43: obviously you do not know how to fight nor what real weapons in a hand to hand is. I have trained for over 40 years and will tell you now, get chopped in your throat or punched in the nuts. Then tell me that they do not work. Now go back to your garage and DVDS to train with your buddies.

[@alexjokic6820]

TheUmmahFightCamp in your mind, only in your mind.

[@alexjokic6820]

TheUmmahFightCamp please record something real and show what you are preaching!

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Ajzenit: First let me say forums like this are made for people like you who have something to say behind your laptop. I teach in a high crime area that people like you would need a pass to walk in. I could not teach where I am and not be real. Not only that, but I have a reputation for having TOO MUCH contact in my school. I do not talk or bark orders from a school by the beach. The first class is free and you are always welcome to sign a waiver before the work out. My school is in Newark NJ. That info should be enough for you. Get it?

[@alexjokic6820]

TheUmmahFightCamp God bless you and what you preach. I respect your talk. Seems you are very educated preacher. Keep up good work.

[@theschoollife1030]

Wing chun does good. When you have the right teacher

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Patrick Laroux: Please do not post the videos of other people in MY forums. I do not get support from many others therefore having the videos of others in our forums is not what we do. If people want to learn HOW things are applied, they can come to my forums.

[@Skywolf224]

Awesome video

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Skywolf224: Thanks!

[@nurancengiz1815]

Which martial art can be best for me ( i have got meniskus torn and painful knee) which one do u suggest for me kick boxing or wing tsun,

[@Emmanuel-ti6ym]

Wing Chung. Observe different schools in your area first.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Nuran Cengiz: Will you heal from the injuries?

[@oneguy7202]

Heal first from boxing to win Chung u nned your knee, if you want something athletic and that can leave easy a d probably u can find a legit school easy then wc

[@goku546686]

So how does one find a style that matches personality

[@minirock4858]

There's no secret... you must try until you find out. Took me 4 shots and about 6 years to find the one that matched my personality.

[@poorkwamoi]

Agree with minirock Also, these recommendations: 1)why do you want to learn martial arts and be honest about it. (a lot of people will say "self defense which is whole lotta BS and can of worms) Do you want revenge from being picked on? Do you want to become a fighter? Do you want to exercise but hate regular workouts? Etc. 2) your body type and it's natural tendencies. Do you like to wrestle? Grapple? Kick? Punch? Combos? Many styles are unique and have been analyzed for what their main techniques are. Start from the ones closest to your body type and tendencies. Then move on as you get better. 3) and as you get better, you may move on because you have changed. And that is ok. You can always go back. But give each one at least 6 months of trial because sometimes it may take that long before you start to feel it. Don't forget factors such as bad teachers, bad schools, limited schools of styles, economic limitations. Worse comes to worse, study the foundations in your own home. Horse stances, rolling around. Footwork.

[@Kalydosos]

I think punching someone in the bottom jaw or around the head underneath the eyes bare knuckle with a Wing Chung punch your less likely to damage your hand. The Radius and Ulna are aligned better and easier to throw if your short range and throwing from the elbow joint launching from the hip. A variation of punching that might cause less injury is to turn your fist Diagonally I think people underestimate how delicate the hands are, Sayf the African American you mention is talked about in detail by a British guy Martin Austwick. He teaches Pugilism the ex slaves name was Molenew he beat up the top Champion in England at the time Tom Gribb 1800s, unfortunately for Molenew he was the wrong colour and from the wrong country.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Kalydosos: I am familiar with MOLINOUX. On the fist, I have to admit my hands are conditioned as are most old school karate fighters. We break hard objects regularly so the issue of soft hands is not an issue for us of my generation. The knuckles are very hard and are a very good weapon for those who strengthen them.

[@francoisdavis7254]

Then your technique is wrong and you dont know what you are talking about

[@RandelOland901-ATT]

Forgive me for the off topic question Sayf, but why did you chose not to go pro in Boxing or MMA?.

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Randel Oland 901-ATT: Wow! Thank you for that question! I will do a video on that, but just to help you and some people understand why I appear to know more than some think I should know about things LOL, I will give MMA as an example. The UFC was founded in 1993. To most people, that does not mean much. But, from 1977 to 1983 I am wrestling. I stop because 1) Nothing else to do with wrestling at that point and 2) Too many injuries. 10 years later, I am 32! No attempt at big name MMA for me lol. All the while though, I am aware of what is coming down the pipe because darrell Gholar is going to Brazil to help BJJ black belts, The "Nog" brothers, M. Bustamonte and a kid named VICTOR BELFORT. I am aware of that because Gholar was black and a GR champion and I always kept up with black Wrestling champs since there were only a few. As for boxing, by the time I was ready to try the pros, I was 21 making 75,000 a year lol. I was not about to listen to a manager tell me what to do. For attitude, see James Toney and you will know what I was like to deal with in the 70s. Thanks for the question.

[@kermitkoolkars1197]

Thank brother that was very important moss wing Chun.com

[@ppkrex]

I remember when I was training wing chun the first thing I would start training with my partners was pummeling, and clinching then get into push hands and sticky hands.

[@stephenguy7749]

One of the things I watched on a documentary was some of your older Chinese original students and Masters we're talking about the problems they see in today's Wing Chun is too many practice hours on things like Chi SAU and someone said isn't that what we're supposed to do and they said yes but we see a lot of people practise it like it's for fun and not applying real situations to it for instance they said you watch someone on tv do chain punches and then he demonstrated it and said looks real good but when you do that in a real fight no one is going to stand there and the same as chi sau Ahh this is fun yeah yeah I hit you then you hit me we and then they all said thats stupid because no one is going to chi SAU in a fight But here's what peple missunderstand ok and this was grand master chu shong tin who trained with up man. he said about the foundation in the chi sauas if I punch you and you block me I trap your hand and then bang hit you with that same fist and THAT IS CHI SAU in other words the idea of chi sau makes you look for openings and then bridge the gap that means get close and knock them out

[@kanyamagaraabdallah8300]

Vous avez bien explication merci mon frere.

[@mountaintiger6945]

Is Jeet Kune Do effective ? Is it street worthy ? Or is it all hype just because it's said to have been "created" by Bruce Lee, after all there seems to be a strong influence of watered down wing chun in it.

[@jhitchman1]

Very good video. Wing Chun like all Martial Arts is a process that like all things takes time to gain some level of ability to use. It’s not the art but the person. Those with too little experience find themselves representing Wing Chun on KZbin looking as he describes because they do not yet have the Kung fu “in them”. The Kung fu is the boat that gets you across the river. When you get to the other side you should leave the boat in the water. Let the boat do it’s job and not be your ball and chain. Not everyone studies Wing Chun to learn how to fight. But for those that do a good Sifu will guide and train you in that direction.

[@sattoriemei3210]

I can take your argument in this video further and more general by saying that most people who practice a martial art, and not just wing chun, does not fit the personality of a combat fighter because they cannot see themselves hurting anyone and so are not willing to take the necessary action to put their opponent down by any means possible. This goes for everything in life. But imo this can be trained.

[@christopherduffy1703]

Sayf! What's your opinion on 52 blocks?

[@TheUmmahFightCamp]

Christopher Duffy: LOL! There you go! Buddy, ALL styles need to be tested and when it is tested, non of what they advertise is what they do. What they do is boxing. There was a "fight" between 2 so-called masters of 52 and it looked like 2 wild dudes street fighting badly.

[@christopherduffy1703]

TheUmmahFightCamp Yea! I seen that guy Lyte Burley spar against what was supposed to be a " boxer" but that guys boxing skills where questionable. I have yet to see any of those guys fight somebody of any real legitamacy.

[@TheBjjones]

@Christopher Duffy It works great, if you know how to utilize it. Check out Diallo Frazier and some of his videos. Lyte Burly is a FRAUD (any good or advanced street fighter or competent Martial Artist can clearly see his skillet in 52 Blocks is rudimentary).

[@JC-wm7ws]

Ma sha Allah great video akh

[@surfeit5910]

This makes me feel "late to the party". I'm basically too old to care to learn a martial art for the show of the martial art. I have no desire to fight others for sport, etc. I was looking for something, though, that I could become competent at without killing myself. I wanted something that could simply "end" a fight without showmanship and maintain a peaceful composure. And after a failed attempt at Taekwondo, heard about Wing Chun. I didn't realize it was one of Bruce Lee's styles and before this, had never seen or heard of the Ip Man movies.