Does Your Drink Define Your Manliness? What CLASSIC MASCULINITY Means today

[@Apollo_Dionysus_Hermes]

It's so nice to see people having a nice and normal conversation about masculinity and what it means to be a gentlemen, and I quite enjoy how the real theme of this conversation is more of 'how to be a better human' than it is about being a man. I really love this channel's content and it means a lot to me as a younger trans man that you guys are so open and have such pleasant conversations on gender. I listened the full way through, great work!

[@Swedishgentleman]

Gentlemen is basically, being a better man. It's all about respect, courtesy and honor.

[@Swamp-man6]

I love gentlemen's gazette they said very good things in This video they are great people

[@craft-o-matic399]

There is so much that goes into being a man, and from there, being considered a gentleman. First of all, in my opinion, the ego must be held in check. When I perceive a man as one who's head will not fit through the doorway, I will likely perceive them as pompous, pretentious, superficial, careless, and completely unapproachable. A true gentleman is one whose external presentation reflects who they are in their heart and soul, and so much so, that it is palpable to almost everyone they cross paths with each and every day. For women, the same. I find that a genuinely warm smile, where the eyes are also smiling, will literally make a person's day, whether they have consciously realized it in that moment or not. I have made quite a study of this when grocery shopping. They will return a warm smile that lights up their face, and warms my heart. Great presentation as always! Lisa

[@gentlemansgazette]

Appreciate your insights, Lisa - thank you!

[@teekue]

But, I ask you, is it not possible for a man to show someone such a smile? And is it not possible for women to have big egos? Are these really aspects of masculinity or do we just like these things in general?

[@craft-o-matic399]

@teekue vice versa

[@TrailWalker03]

These chat sessions are gold.

[@John-FourteenSix]

The transition from Captain Sweatpants to dressing like a Gent would make a good video. I think the ‘Cough’ period changed society.

[@INTJATarot]

i enjoyed listening to this as a woman

[@Gent.Z]

Thank you for having me, Gentleman's Gazette! Always a pleasure.

[@gentlemansgazette]

Thanks to you too, James!

[@doseofmotivation1671]

I rally appreciate this style of video. Thank you

[@tommyp7933]

I think our concepts of Masculinity and being a Man are completely inseparable from our surroundings, class, nationality etc. What it means to be a real man would be totally different for a working class 18th century Caribbean sailor or a middle class Scottish Victorian preacher or a modern day Japanese diplomat. I disagree with James when he says there was a consensus about what being a man meant in the past, Rudolph Valentino was a famous example of someone who caused a lot of discussion about the nature of masculinity in the 1920s. That said, I don't agree with some left-wing thinkers who argue that gender is entirely socially constructed, I think there is a core element of masculinity that does transcend culture and society, we just have to find out what it is for ourselves.

[@Mcarthywasright]

I agree and well put. We are products of our era, our surrounding and the echos of the past. Masculinity is continually evolving and each of us gets to play a part in conveying what that means for our time which makes it interactive and exciting. As we get further away from that anchoring authenticity of masculinity the more important historical elements of masculinity will be in adopting and recalibrating to recenter on a true north for men. For that I’m thankful

[@Olyfrun]

What parts of gender do you think are not socially constructed?

[@gentlemansgazette]

@@Olyfrun Looks like a great discussion is about to start!

[@ThisThingCalledLove]

Do you believe any parts of gender are biological? ​@@Olyfrun

[@teekue]

You make a good point but I think you are contradicting yourself. If masculinity transcends culture and society, at least partially, how can you find it in yourself? All parts of you are made up of culture and society, it is deeply inseparable even from the parts that may not be. And looking into yourself can't be separated from culture and society either since your vision is strongly skewed by these aspects.

[@EugeneSalandra]

Thank you, gentlemen, for sharing this edifying conversation. Jack is spot on. Respect is fundamental, and all else should flow from it and lead back to it. Grazie! ⭐

[@alexxfreedom]

Lovely to listen too. As a man in my 30s, I have now worn a suit pretty much my whole career. I love the suit, any reason to wear one I will. Classical masculine traits are not what I thought was part of my journey however, it is almost becomes part of the way I try to act and present myself. My accent (being born in the north of England) has dimmed, I try and measure what I do now and say. All because when I was young I loved wearing a coat.

[@gentlemansgazette]

How fantastic, thank you for sharing!

[@KO-yh1er]

It's interesting that they take a liberal approach to the physical aspect of exercise but much less so about dress. Not saying it's bad but it shows a particular bias

[@herbtube7824]

might be a bias, but it is a good one.

[@KO-yh1er]

@herbtube7824 you mean the bias away from exercise and outdoor pursuit is a good one? My comment might not have been clear

[@smokindomain]

If we all start off with what my old school moto once said “ consider others” this world would be a far different place.

[@GaryGrube1]

This was a very nice discussion.

[@barnastil591]

I 100% agree with James about having to respect yourself if you want people to respect you. People treat you how they see you.

[@etebol]

Great conversation. Thanks for sharing.

[@kaiyusun9222]

Thank you all. 🙂

[@Penthusist]

A must needed collab

[@gentlemansgazette]

We've spoken with James before! www.gentlemansgazette.com/generations-menswear-debate/?

[@bloguerista]

Great discussion. Love Jack!

[@gentlemansgazette]

Jack here - thanks! 🥂

[@EcstaticTemporality]

I enjoyed this discussion. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@gentlemansgazette]

Glad to hear it! Thanks for your support 🤝

[@Swamp-man6]

This is video has grate takes i think i can agree a lot with This

[@guilhermespinolaramoa8597]

I love both channels, hug from Brazil!

[@gentlemansgazette]

🙌 Obrigado!

[@ZoomZoom-ng6sn]

5:09 is absolutely correct. 5:31 is a fact concerning respect.

[@JasonCasey-mm2zc]

The way you dress, doesnt make you a man..The way you behave is what makes you a man. Treat others with respect.

[@jamestremblett1875]

Yes. I've been hearing a lot of KZbinrs saying that the modern conception of a gentleman is a person who wears a suit and smokes cigars but I've never thought of it that way. I think the average person still thinks being a gentleman is more about behavior than dress.

[@MeadeFatLoss]

Awesome. My choice of drink is sweet tea or a Dr Pepper.

[@livingworkingoutsidebox]

Great discussion 👍

[@alejo_doou9965]

Amo que James aparezca en Gentleman's Gazette

[@BadMotivator66]

‘Outdated’ is dismissal masquerading as criticism. We all know what a man is and what a woman is. And men and women are not the same. These are things we’re told to forget or pretend to not know. Being steadfast with the truth and not pretending the emperor’s clothes are lovely is masculine. Courage. Truth to power. Honour. Taking care of yourself and being physically capable is masculine. You may someday be required to protect the man next to you. In Celtic society obesity was punished with heavy fines.

[@Nebelung13]

Facts.

[@Ponderingtaco]

Perhaps men and women are not the same, but masculinity and feminity are concepts we consider seperate, but the mistake is to think that they contrast or diametrically oppose one another. All the traits you brought up are very well characteristics a woman holds dear to her feminity. The point is that our expression of our gender is personal, and while looking towards members of the same gender can help with figuring out where we want to orient that expression, it's delusional to think one can't also gain valuable insight of themselves from the othes' and their expression as well.

[@TomTom-sj3bn]

Something we all knew 10 years ago and now we are pretending we don't.Great post and of course a great conversation!

[@BadMotivator66]

@@Ponderingtaco men are more alike than different. The same with women.

[@Swamp-man6]

​@@TomTom-sj3bn brother trans people existed in ancient Rome

[@TomTobin67]

Maybe you should post a list of masculine cocktails and feminine cocktails. 🎉

[@lawrenrich-nf3ni]

Waiting for Frazier and Niles to show up.

[@dkwolfe1]

What was the book mentioned just before Allen Flusser?

[@gentlemansgazette]

"Gentleman" by Bernhard Roetzel: www.gentlemansgazette.com/gentleman-bernhard-roetzel-interview/?

[@ianmurphy9955]

As a man I've spent the last 10 years trying to improve myself, I've yet to work on clothing as a bigger man

[@JasonCasey-mm2zc]

Agreed. And as a bigger man in a wheelchair, I dress for comfort.

[@DonovanAenslaed]

Wait what? So if I fancy a Cosmo, I am a lesser man for it? Do I need to worry about my drink choice now? 🤦‍♂️

[@cerellitv2978]

Masculinity and control are discussions you have with yourself not something you do for others. I wear sweatpants and comfortable clothing because I am not afraid of others judging me based on "their" definition of masculinity or what "control" should look like in their eyes. I am a real man that defines these things based on my priorities. When I am on a plane on my way to an important meeting I take this time to be comfortable and relax so when the suit goes on I will be well rested and energized. I do agree that if you wear sweatpants 90%+ of the time you probably have some issues you might want to work on but I think the same is true when you only wear fancy "gentleman's" clothing all the time. At that point you're wearing them for the same reason people wear sweatpants, you wear them because you don't feel comfortable otherwise.

[@mihangelap-williams9871]

My biggest problem is my career and budget. My career keeps me on the road in a builder type of environment, and it is not often I get to dress up. Ah well, slowly changing careers

[@gentlemansgazette]

Do you feel that classic masculinity is inseparably linked to how you dress?

[@mihangelap-williams9871]

@gentlemansgazette like everything, it depends, your question is too open, is it towards my job, where it keeps me on the road and on building sites, where masculinity is completely different to what you would show in a dive bar to what you would show in a classy bar! Now, let's say I go "peacocking" and want to dress up and feel how I want life to see me, then, what do I want to show. Issue is, I don't often get that chance lol. It is what it is and we are where we are

[@craigschwartz19]

Same here, my industry is jeans and sweat pants. But I try to go at minimum 1 step further and NEVER go anywhere outside of work dressed like my work stereotype.

[@ClaudioAdrianFuentesAlem-on8iw]

Concept of Lords

[@Dimes_Farer]

Wonderful 🫡

[@Jonathan-Incognito]

Your company doesn’t reply to emails, or take car of customers. I ordered products LAST MONTH. The order hasn’t even been updated! No one replies to emails! DO NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE WITH YOUR MONEY

[@gentlemansgazette]

Hi there, Jack here - if you're able to confirm the date of your order and item(s) you purchased, I'll be able to look into this for you

[@Jonathan-Incognito]

@@gentlemansgazette 11/29 I placed 2 orders order:232266 and order 232278 On 12/2 Anne reached out to ask if she could combine them and I said yes. On 12/3 she said they were combined and would be filled and shipped shortly. On 12/6 I emailed because they had not fulfilled and or shipped On 12/9 I called and Anne answered and said she had replied to my email and they should ship today. They did not ship, Anne did not reply. I reached out again via email on 12/10 asking why my two ties haven’t shipped and have yet to get a reply. So we’re now crossing 2 weeks. I have had to reach out multiple times and not been replied to and the order hasn’t even shipped yet?! Is this your companies vision for how it treats first time customers?

[@Jonathan-Incognito]

@@gentlemansgazetteI’ve put the order numbers in twice and my replies continue to be deleted

[@gentlemansgazette]

@@Jonathan-Incognito Thanks so much for providing the above information - just for peace of mind, we weren't manually deleting any of your comments regarding order numbers. I'm now looking into the issue for you, and appreciate your patience - Jack

[@Jonathan-Incognito]

@@gentlemansgazettesurprise…14 days later and minutes after you reply I get an update that it’s “ready to ship” Brutal.

[@arcabuz]

Espadrilles were never intended to be expensive. It is a quintessential summer casual shoe from Mediterranean coast in Spain. If you pay more than, say, 50€ for them you are giving in a very obscure marketing operation.

[@gentlemansgazette]

Quite right! Perhaps you've seen our video on Espadrilles? www.gentlemansgazette.com/espadrilles-alpargatas-beat-flip-flops/?

[@annekedebruyn7797]

1:43 *sweating in my softest cashmere clothing in the airport right now*

[@gentlemansgazette]

😅

[@laaguja]

Preston two! Preston's brother.

[@gentlemansgazette]

It's spooky how alike Jack and Preston are!

[@laaguja]

​@@gentlemansgazetteThey both seem like very nice people. It's gratifying to be surrounded by kind and competent people. Sorry for my online translator English. I only speak Spanish.

[@JustBasicGuy]

Preston with the British interface installed.

[@jimgraham6407]

“Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.” -Ron Swanson

[@gentlemansgazette]

Which is interesting, as the Martini was originally considered a universally attractive beverage

[@ChipsChallenge95]

I think the only people who are arguing that classic “stereotypical” masculine traits don’t define masculinity are those who lack those traits and are coping. You don’t have to be 6’+, tall AND have a large frame, AND a deep voice, AND a strong jawline necessarily. But if you don’t have at least some combination of those things you’ll never be considered masculine.

[@gentlemansgazette]

So, would you define masculine traits as being purely aesthetic?

[@danielbanks7500]

I don't do suits. I am NOT a classic style guy, but I really appreciate those who are. I HATE suits and will do my best to never wear another one. I hate seeing people who wear suits because they feel they have to. They look sloppy, because the attitude is missing. While I HATE wearing suits, I love seeing people wearing suits who want to and know how to. It makes all the difference. My sense of masculinity is such that I am confident even if a bit under dressed. I try to find other ways to buff it back up and make it accessible. I am to the age where I care far less about anyone's snotty attitude than I am about my own sense of style. I dress very 1920's and 1880's. Just depends on the day. It definitely takes confidence to look so different. There are elements I don't observe. I am a denim guy so I predominantly wear denim even though in those eras wool pants would have been much more the proper style. That's where the confidence comes in. I like the historical styles and elements of them. I am not dressing with intention of historical authenticity. My 20's look has a lot of Henley's. I don't do full button ups. I wear my suspenders on top of my other clothes. It's more comfortable but it also causes my style to stand out more. It completes the look. I have bespoke 1880's work shirts. I have a nice linen for dressing a bit more, and some blue ticking for a hardier shirt. The style though is a work shirt. Very blue collar. A nice vest and a good telescope hat though and it dresses up nicely. I used to do historical re-enactments and I have some 18th century shirts and I occasionally wear those too. They get a lot of looks. My level of comfort and confidence in them gets questions, not smirks.

[@oskarek57]

I really like guys from Gentleman Gazette and James from GenZ as well, but I haven´t met them so far, because I haven´t been able to travel abroad this year, so hope to meet them finally sometimes during the next year and hope to spend as much time as possible with them in the future. We will see.

[@Egsise]

Gent Z, arm on the chair back, too many open shirt buttons, slouching posture, way too much makeup. The contrast to these two gentlemen makes you look sloppy and out of place.

[@JasonCasey-mm2zc]

Playboy

[@siegfriedo]

I am very old fashioned. I think a properly masculine man should have a command of several core skills: - be able to make decent money - know how to fight - know how to handle and shoot guns - know how to drive a car - know how to dress properly - know how to navigate social etiquette and social events - know how to make love to a woman properly. If you're at least partly skilled in these you are a well rounded classically masculine man.

[@TimEnjoysGnocchis]

i feel that you guys kinda didnt get to the point and ended up chatting about your day to day.

[@gentlemansgazette]

What's the conclusion you draw about classic masculinity in the 21st Century?

[@mihangelap-williams9871]

​@@gentlemansgazetteI can answer this, is a mix of looking good, being strong, but not flamboyant, I think that's where "classic" style gets scared off in modern gents, it's, not wanting to look too "apart"

[@Blackgriffonphoenixg]

​@@mihangelap-williams9871 And even then, about flamboyancy, just look at John Waters, and behold, a guy whose blood group might as well be sprezzatura.

[@ProfessorJayTee]

Always have to laugh. Those "girly drinks" contain far more alcohol than your beers! You judge my choices, and I'll judge yours.

[@moorshound3243]

I wish Tristan Tate was sat there with you guys.

[@MexieMex]

Gent.Z, instant skip from me.

[@jonjdoe]

Masculinity is a toxic subject matter whether by 'murican 2nd ammendment couch commandos or snobbish retro clothing enthusiasts. Just be yourself and leave the philosophical discussions out of it.

[@captainkenzie6873]

You must live a terribly miserable life.

[@pseudoscientist8010]

Too many pregnant pauses.

[@gentlemansgazette]

This is an honest, unscripted conversation - we could take all the pauses out, but it wouldn't feel genuine

[@IGotMoneyForSale]

Etymology of pseudo is not believing themselves 😂and doesn't​@@gentlemansgazette