WORTH THE UPGRADE? | 2 vs 4 Height Channels | Dolby Atmos | DTS:X | Home Theater

Do you think it's time to upgrade your home theater system to include 4 height channels? Is it worth it? What does it really add to the sound quality? Well, I ran some tests and I wanna let you know what I found out! Check it, yo!
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[@carlom.3737]

As someone who went from 5.1 to 5.1.2 and then to 5.1.4, I can say the added rear heights was more noticeable/impactful than adding just the front heights. But you know what ended up having the biggest difference? When I went from 5 mains to 7. I actually had an intermediate step while I waited for my rear heights to arrive, when I installed 2 more floor channels (going 7.1.2) and the added surrounds made a huge difference, more so than Atmos. Because while Atmos is more popular in UHD discs...many more discs make use of 7 floor channels. So for those looking to expand beyond 5.1, I now would always recommend going 7.1 first, and then 7.1.4 if you can mount them either on ceiling or high up your walls (don't bother with upward firing speakers). Another recent addition I made which resulted in a huge difference was a second sub...but let's not go there just yet. :)

[@ealanosborne]

That’s great advice! Thanks for your insight. 😊🤘

[@bryanguest2807]

All my experience has been the exact opposite, almost always 5.1.2 > 7.1.0 You must have a long room

[@giacintorenta7579]

Do you think that to enjoy 7.1.4 you need UHD Blue-Ray or you feel the extra channels also on streaming apps?

[@carlom.3737]

@@giacintorenta7579 If the streaming app supports Atmos (and the program is in Atmos) it will benefit from 7.1.4. However not all Atmos mixes are active in the overheads, so it's really dependent on the movie's sound mix.

[@michael-4k4000]

From everything I have heard the .4 compared to the .2 is better, however really depends on a lot of variables, most importantly your room. I would think adding two additional high channels to an existing .2 system is a small difference compared to going from zero hight 2:54 channels to going to.

[@joentell]

Good work. I like that outdoor "thinking about". I appreciate that you shout out other creators big/small. You know what's up! We're all learning from one another.

[@ealanosborne]

Exactly! Share the love! 😁

[@TechnoDad]

Ayyy!!! Great video and thanks for the shoutout! I just took a clip from my livestream on this topic. My video is MUCH shorter, so I'll link yours in the description. Keep up the great work, man!

[@ealanosborne]

Of course! We've all got each others' backs! 😀

[@jjchmiel78]

I started my Atmos journey with a 5.1.2 setup. I took a pair of zone 2 outdoor speakers I wasn't using and put them up and upgraded my receiver to support at the time. I fell hard for the format and inside of eight months I upgraded again and then been upgrading little by little every year to my 7.3.4. I went 17 years with just a 5.1 setup and over the last 5 years been upgrading my setup.

[@ealanosborne]

The Home Theater Upgrade bug bites hard, dude! I feel ya! 😁🤘

[@Chris-hr2uj]

Yep, I notice this difference in a 2 vs 4 hight channel system. I agree that 4 gives a feeling of movement, especially overhead. War of the Worlds atmos hits you with overhead atmos at one moment, and it becomes very clear how undeniable how immersive good atmos can be. Its giving me great anticipation of Top Gun Maverick in atmos.

[@TheReverendSlim]

Everything we've seen of Maverick in the Trinnov viewer shows that it's mostly a 7.1.2 static bed mix with a few exceptions where dynamic objects are used.

[@Chris-hr2uj]

@@TheReverendSlim thanks for the heads up. Slightly disappointing

[@TheReverendSlim]

@@Chris-hr2uj Agreed, but it still sounded pretty solid on my 7.1.4 setup. It's still a fun ride.

[@leecaldwell1029]

@@TheReverendSlim tour of your setup? post that up on youtube. would love to see it

[@Rockovissi]

I think it finishes the whole “dome” of sound thing. Although my room isn’t ideal, so unfortunately my front heights and rear heights are closer together than I’d like. But, it still sounds pretty awesome and I definitely get the “Atmos effect”.

[@CaptainCrunch823]

I have been enjoying front heights for a couple of years and then recently added middle wides and rear heights but only consider it a slight improvement. There doesn’t seem to be enough good content out there (movies that I’m interested in) to take full advantage it seems. I’d rather watch a great old movie without Atmos/DTS/Auro than a new one that is lacking in story and production but has a great soundtrack.

[@bryanguest2807]

Its not just content, surround and rear channels usually provide "fill" and not directional action. I actually have my 5.1.2 system with the surrounds behind both slightly off axis. I find in many mixes having the surrounds too directional towards my ears confuses the front stound stage instead of being immersive. ATMOS tells you not to do this. That all speakers should be as equidistant as possible to pass sound cues off to one another 360°. This is a reason these weird dipole and bipole multidirectional surrounds were popular because surrounds sound better not directed at the back of your head I find that two atmos directed at the listener between where they recommend front and side heights to work well, far enough to be distinct from the fronts but still part of the front wall of sound

[@gmo2932]

Good video and nice you pointing out the jump in price on receivers from 5.1.2 to 5.1.4. I was going crazy trying to find a receiver with 4 height channels that was about the price of the 2 height channels. An extra 2 channels is like $500 added to the price (!). Hopefully new receivers come out at better price points.

[@ealanosborne]

I sure hope they come down in price, since Atmos at home has already been around for about 5 years now. Come on retailers! 😁🤘

[@jaapkamstra9343]

Thanks for explaining! Still rocking a 5.0 setup with Identical speakers and monoblock amps.

[@ealanosborne]

Monoblocks?! NICE! 🙌🎉

[@TheReverendSlim]

Even with the static 7.1.2 bed mixes, 4 heights lets those static objects at top mid come equally from the 4 heights, which gives it a more generalized overhead sound that many mistake for discrete height usage (like in Ready Player One). The down side is... In a x.x.6 layout with those mixes, only the top mids will get used, barring any exotic processing in your pre-pro.

[@ealanosborne]

Huh…have you experienced this with any other movies? I’ll be doing a 4 vs 6 heights comparison soon, too…

[@TheReverendSlim]

@@ealanosborne If you dig into Shane Lee's channel, you'll find that quite a few movies use two static height objects with no dynamic. The static height objects will always try to play at top mid... so with 4 heights, it will play between them to try to image at top mid. With 6, it will just play from top mid, and the other two pair will go unused. Ready Player One is one of the most obvious. All 4 Indiana Jones movies are static 7.1.2. Sadly, Top Gun Maverick is static for about 98% of the movie. So when you do your comparison, I would stick with movies known to have fully dynamic object mixes - Dune, Midway, etc. But it's something to be aware of for people wanting to go x.x.6. Studios are getting better about it... but still not consistently using it in a way that supports all the channels.

[@ealanosborne]

@@TheReverendSlim Exactly. Studios are slowly getting better, but not utilizing dynamic mixes as much as they should. Like I said, it’s unfortunate that not enough studios are allocating enough budget to the sound department to consistently do a proper dynamic mix. Just like not all Atmos mixes utilize front wides. I sure wish I had a Trinnov preamp like Shane so I could see the objects moving in real time. 😄

[@archwaytech]

Love the video Ealan! Those little graphics you include really add to your storytelling. Great work 😊

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks, Josh! It’s those little things that take time more time, but worth it in the end! 😁

[@htenthusiast2897]

Your dolby atmos level unlocked crack me up 😂❤…great explanation. I just wish Hollywood would produce more high quality atmos/dtsx movies to enjoy.🤙🏻

[@ealanosborne]

It’s on the rise! But I agree - too many budgets aren’t allowing audio engineers to truly flex their Atmos mixing potential. I wish everything labeled with Atmos meant it was guaranteed to conform to any speaker configuration (6 height channels, front wides, etc). It’ll get there someday, though! 🤘

[@htenthusiast2897]

@@ealanosborne I agree anything labeled atmos or dtsx should meet a minimum standard for dynamic mix and sound presence.

[@erecher005]

just one month ago I upgraded my denon 3400 to the 3700 just to add 2 more height channels and am loving it so far. Can't wait for Maverick 4k BRD

[@mwrightinsurance]

I have 7.1.4 and I placed everything according to Dolby specs to begin with, then ended up using the helicopter audio demo on the Dolby Atmos demo disk to fine tune the placement in my room for imaging and seamless speaker to speaker transitions. Worked really well and I highly recommend using that if you can get your hands on one! I got mine for free from a Sony rep that I bumped into at a Jamba juice a few years ago and started talking too at the table next to me!

[@thelonestranger777]

When you say you fine tuned your placement, I assume you're talking about your Atmos speakers right? I have the same demo and I'm about to start placing my svs elevation heights. I can't imagine how you got the placements done. I can't exactly drill a ton of holes into the walls and ceiling lol. I'd love to hear more about your setup.

[@mwrightinsurance]

@@thelonestranger777 yep, I made all the holes. Moved them in and moved them out, forward and back until they were just right in my opinion. It only took three positions, 1 foot forward and 1 foot outward and then I just moved the mounting brackets between them a few times. Spackling and re-texturing (if needed) a few screw holes is pretty easy. Ultimately ended up with sort of an equilateral geometric dome with all speakers, so the Atmos speakers are in a perfect square. (Edit) they are 1’ farther apart front to back than they are side to side.

[@ealanosborne]

Another thing to add to this is that heavy duty Velcro works great to temporarily place height speakers for testing. I did it with my Atmos Showdown video awhile back and it worked like a charm! Got it at Home Depot, but any hardware store should carry some 🤘

[@mwrightinsurance]

@@ealanosborne Great tip! Definitely an easier solution👍 That 3M picture hanging stuff might work too!? Didn’t think of that🤔

[@Lowkey_nxthxn]

Thank goodness you're talking about this I wish other KZbinrs would do the exact same thing

[@michael-4k4000]

I think Techno Dad talks about it, he’s really into Atmos . But this channel is excellent and very informative and entertaining. Subscribe & like!😊

[@Lowkey_nxthxn]

@@michael-4k4000 I agree and I been subscribe for a while now actually but thanks for the reminder :)

[@eliothillis535]

This is such an underrated channel.

[@ealanosborne]

Thanks for your kind words, Eliot! 🤘

[@MrTrentonMakes]

Yes very informative as was Techno Dad’s video the other day, the both of you are breaking the Atmos configurations so we can enjoy the content the way it was intended. Still a lot of factors involved (room,content, the mix etc.)at least we can get the speaker placement right😀

[@junkwaxheroes]

I have a 5.1.4 Aperion system after starting with 5.1.2. The movement of sound is most apparent during Atmos games like Halo Infinite, it's really immersive.

[@ealanosborne]

Definitely! Video games are a huge reason to invest in Atmos since it's built on a 360 degree audio engine, rather than a Hollywood studio that has to manually place objects in and pan them around like with a movie. Such a cool effect

[@dimitardimitrov4428]

Great video (just like all your videos). You explain so well, and so understandable. I love it. I learned so many things from you. I have Denon X3700h and 5.2 Klipsch setup. I ordered 2 in-ceiling speakers yesterday. I was thinking to install just 2 and making my home theater 5.2.2. But after this video, I will install 2 more later Thank you and keep up the good work

[@ealanosborne]

Thank you for your kind words!

[@djFELIXmne]

I've started watching these a couple of weeks ago since I decided to upgrade my home theater. damn, I love your videos! you explain it all so nicely and the sketches help a lot too. 🙃 I just bought monitor audio bronze 200 5.1 set today, originally planning to buy wharfedale dx-2 hcp. 😁 the deal was too good to pass, only 1391€ instead of around 2500€ in the whole europe. also orderd denon avc x4800h (at 1390€), instead of avr 2800 originally or almost sony ta an1000. so I set out to start at an entry level, but ended up at mid range. 😁yes, I spent way more money than I intended, but so hoping it will be worth it. now I only need to place them all correctly to get the best out of them, so I will keep on watching your videos for sure. thanks a lot and humble greetings from montenegro.

[@ealanosborne]

Oh, man, this is exciting to hear! So glad my videos could help! And I totally get the cost. We’ve all been there! 😄 That setup will last you a long time, for sure. 🎉

[@djFELIXmne]

that is the main goal. hopefully a gradual upgrade over time (because this true audiophile world is so addictive) 😊 I'll come back with thoughts once I've installed and tested the new set up.

[@RollinRagu]

I'm 7.2.4 and completely agree with your final comments. When it's mixed right, SPINE TINGLING. The frustration is that is is done "right" in such a small percentage of movies. I'm super glad I have it, but don't know why they leave so much on the table....

[@ealanosborne]

No kidding. 😭

[@SunnySkiesInAZ]

I’ve recently upgraded to .6. What I like about it is it enables me to keep my front heights in a stereo pair, 30° over my FL and FR speakers. This allows vertical imaging to take place with objects on the screen. My top middles I have slightly forward of the MLP which was always recommended in a .2 set up. My back surrounds I raised up 10° above ear level which brings a slightly increased sense of height, then spit the difference between those and top middles with my rear heights. This maintains channel separation and produces I nice imaging for flyover effects when object based sounds pass through them.

[@ealanosborne]

That’s some dedicated experimentation going on right there! Fantastic! 🙌🎉

[@Lighthouse3D]

I think the rule of thumb for heights is Front Height Top Front Top Middle Top Rear Front rear If putting more than 2 you have to skip 1 from this layout, so you can have a top middle with either Height Front or Height Rear, but not a top middle with top front, unless you do all 6 top front, middle, rear

[@sardasert]

why can't you go front height & rear height ?

[@rayking507]

Bro for a brief moment the first 18 seconds of your video made feel like I was watching a movie trailer. I love it. Very nice. You should do more cinematic scenes like this. You can star in the next sequel of A Quite Place (3).👏👏🏾

[@ealanosborne]

Hahaha! Thanks! I almost always have a an intro in mind like that with all my videos, but a lot of times they get cut due to time constraints. So I’m glad this one didn’t have to see the cutting room floor! 😄

[@rayking507]

@@ealanosborne Nice 👍. I have some questions please. So with the 4 Atmos speakers do you get similar joy with Dolby surround upmixer. Because we can’t always afford or get everything in blu ray and also as you know not everything is in Dolby Atmos or Dts x. And also how are you getting on with the IOTAVX Processor and do you know how it compares to some expensive Avr’s like Arcam and Anthem. Many thanks.

[@ealanosborne]

@@rayking507 Dolby Upmixer does a pretty good job, but obviously a true Atmos mix will be best. But I remember playing Mario Kart with my kids and noticing that my AVR (at the time it was the Marantz SR7015) somehow magically put isolated sounds just in the height speakers. It was cool! So yeah - Dolby Upmixer can do a good job, but it’s kind of hit and miss. One thing might be amazing, and another might sound terrible. 🤷‍♂️ As far as the IOTA AVX17, I haven’t yet gotten my hands on any Arcam or Anthem AVRs, but I really want to, since they’re in this little pocket of their own, being hybrid AVR/preamps. I’m also still trying desperately to have my Emotiva contact send me an MC-1 to compare to the IOTA AVX17, but supply chain issues are still making that difficult. 😩

[@aliciaANDanthonySandoval]

I have a 5.1.2 setup and haven't heard a 5.1.4 yet but I like my setup however I want to upgrade...🤤👍🏼

[@djvoodoo01]

I've got 2 height but the dream is 6, still paying for my current receiver unfortunately though 😂 your mic sounds really good for being in a normal room 👍

Hi! That was a very informative video. But what is a 3D cube? A cube is already 3D, no one can grasp the additional dimensions, except many time.

[@jasmadahar9089]

A really sensible and clear explanation.

[@Vibhutius]

Writing this to thank you Ealan. I was planning to upgrade from a Samsung soundbar with surrounds to an immersive Dolby Atmos experience through an AV receiver. Your channel helped me the most and I was able to build a budget 5.1.4 under CAD 3500 (approx 2500 USD) even though things are a bit expensive here in Canada. Quite happy with the result. Pioneer VSX-LX305 9.2 receiver (8k enabled) Klipsch R51M fronts Klipsch R41M rears Klipsch Reference 5.1 theater pack as center, front and rear heights, and subwoofer Pioneer's MCACC tuning has given a bit more warmth and mid-range to the bright Klipsch speakers. No complaints so far. Will be experimenting with DIRAC live soon as my learning curve increases. I saw you adding an SVS 12" as your second sub. I was planning to get another R8SW, but now am thinking of experimenting as you did. Keep posting the good stuff. And nice editing as always.

[@ealanosborne]

Wow! Thank you so much for sharing this! So excited for you. Happy experimenting! 😁🤘

[@MrNorcal81]

I have a 5.1.4 system with, since I didn't want to punch holes in my living room ceiling, SVS Prime Elevations as standard front and rear heights. After an Audyssey calibration I set their levels 3-4 dbs hotter than than Audyssey did. I did watch TechnoDad's excellent study of height speaker placement and his demo clip basically placed the sounds where they should be, I also have one of the later Dolby Atmos demo discs with a bunch of different clips from pure demos to music, movies, just audio, games, etc. It has that opening sequence from Mad Max Fury road and his voice and the whispering voices all around him sound great. Same thing with the helicopter demo and Amaze. I also, as an experiment, did an Audyssey run with the Elevations set as front and rear tops. They had maybe slightly more immersive sound but at the expense of some volume. The bottom line for me is that front/rear heights, even as a compromise, sound very good with Atmos and DTS:X audio tracks.

[@ealanosborne]

Wow! Thanks for your insight!

[@MrNorcal81]

@@ealanosborne You're welcome. I doubt that many people have large enclosed home theater rooms so many of us deal with living rooms, family rooms with one or two open sides so no matter what speaker setup you choose there's always going to be some compromises. I originally had two Prime Elevations set up as front heights. They were decent sounding but then I tried them as front tops and front top middles on the two Denon Presets. Both setups created a reasonable level of immersion with the middles sounding better. Sure it's against all of the standard orthodoxy but, ultimately, your ears decide what you like. Adding the second pair of Prime Elevations (and they are really very good speakers that can be effectively crossed over at 80 Hz) gave me a much better front to rear sound spread with some decent overhead effect. Compromise? Sure but, again, your ears, even if fooled into a perception, will tell you whatever works in your particular room

[@moniack]

It's not a bad idea to double check levels after a calibration, ideally with a calibrated mic. A couple of my speakers were set a bit low after a Dirac calibration.

[@NikoAbston]

fantastic video Ealan*. I need to make a quick vid of the mc1 7.2.4 setup i’ve been having for the most of this year.

[@jeffleonard343]

I unfortunately won't have the room for a 4 channel Atmos but will still enjoy a 2 channel. Recently got a new Marantz SR5015. Hadn't installed speakers in my ceiling yet since well....Attics and Texas heat don't mix man LOL. Cooler weather be on the way though!

[@onechain13]

Another great and informative video! Thanks for sharing

[@musicjewell9329]

dude what a fun video to watch thanks for your feedback! i cant wait till i get my house im going with four channels and the avr 3800h

[@ealanosborne]

NICE! What a crazy upgrade the x3800h is compared to the x3700h. Good call. 🤘

[@mustangfred2006]

Wish I could upgrade to 4 height channels from 2. We live in an apartment with cement ceilings and hiding the speakers is impossible. I had to beg the wife for two speakers up there. She finally agreed and there is no way I could convince her that two more would be a good idea.

[@ealanosborne]

Wife Acceptance Factor is important, my friend. I completely understand. 😁

[@jamesm568]

I'm happy with 3.1.2 with rear ceiling speakers. Thinking about adding two more ceiling speakers in the front.

[@ealanosborne]

Nice!

[@roco9504]

I have the pioneer 901 (11 channel receiver) but only running 7, I don’t even watch anything in atmos.. so idk yet if I’ll even bother. Maybe one day

[@RyanDabrowskiBoilerUp]

Hmm, I may be on the outer fringe, but I have about a 5 or 7 .2.7 but I haven’t used all of those speakers, yet… I am still waiting to find a good 15 or 17 channel receiver to plug everything in, so I can use it all, without a problem. Which I am hoping to buy this next year, I’m looking at either the Denon a1h or the Marrantz…. I should also note, I will be coming from a sound bar, with the bouncing type atmos, which I don’t think I have actually herd a good demo of that, but I am still excited to try a good atmos song or movie in my home theater space…

[@mikeortiz2139]

I have my bed layer 7.1 planned. I was planning to do a Auro-3D based heights, so two front heights and 2 surround heights in place of rear heights. I wonder if that's something you could test out too. How does Atmos and DTS:X sound with front and Surround heights? That's pretty much how Techno Dad has his living room set.

[@ealanosborne]

That’s exactly how mine is setup too - front heights and surround heights. I don’t have any in-ceiling or on-ceiling heights, except for the Voice of God speaker straight above my listening position. Although only my Marantz SR7015 does Auro 3D for Voice of God, which is not hooked up at the moment. 😄

[@mikeortiz2139]

@@ealanosborne from the video, I understood it as for your testing, you ran surround heights the .2 and then ran front and rear heights, the .4. Thanks though.

[@Alaw_83]

​@ealanosborne hi my sofa is against the back wall I have my surrounds on the side walls facing mlp and im guna add 2 more height speakers as I've already got front heights, which is best for my situation on the side walls above my surrounds ceiling level or on the wall my sofa is against pointing down ??

[@jermainepearson6835]

I just finished my 7.1.4 and it sounds amazing. 2 hight speakers shouldn't even be an option. 4 speakers is a complete experience.

[@LuciferSamaelMorningstarLight]

Rocking 5.1.2 Sony STR-DH790 because it was all i could afford and all my local best buy had... i want to jump from 5.1.2 to 7.1.6 and skip 5.1.4 or 7.1.4 because ill eventually want top front, top middle, and top rear, that's what i want to eventually hear, the FULL effect.

[@njw18581]

Would love to see 4 vs 6 because when I upgrade my I would want to see if 6 is worth it

[@ealanosborne]

That’s coming soon! 🤘

[@mnnc6742]

Great info you share…thanks. I have been installing a system at my brothers from scratch. Punching holes, drilling studs, running cables, etc. Because of the seating position, a sectional near back wall, we decided on a 7.1.2 not being able to get rear heights in proper or ideal spot as spec’d by Dolby. All base speakers are inwall except center. Heights are in ceiling just in front of listeners….pointed at kneecaps approximately. I can’t wait to hear it. What do you think ? I believe I did the best I could considering room and seating. Thanks again.

[@ealanosborne]

Your description sounds like you did the very best you could! Congrats on your new system, and for all the hard work you put in! 🤘😀

[@vvincent294]

Not enough people talk about the DTS:X mix of the Harry Potter series, thank you :) I rediscovered the films thanks to the new sound mix. I have a 5.1.4 and do feel the movement from the height channels, AND this tingling effect :D

[@garyfelder5057]

I'm running a pseudo 5.3.4 as i own a Marantz SR5015 7-channel reciever. I have pair of powered speakers connected to the height channel pre-outs along with a wired pair in the rear. I also setup the AVR atmso speakers assignment to middle so yeah not getting much in movement but more overall area coverage in height sound (you don't have to be only sitting in the MLP to hear sounds above). Also 3 subs rock

[@ealanosborne]

Whoa cool! Whatever works, you know? 😁🤘

[@mediaconnect4135]

which powered speaker is used for the height channel

[@user-xr7qd8yi2g]

I have to say this is the best explanation of atmos height in my two weeks of research, I'm building a custom home and trying to work this concept out in my head. Thanks! I have the opportunity to have 4 height channels prewired and will go ahead and have that done. I was wondering as to the height of the rear surrounds? Are these supposed to be at ear level?

[@ealanosborne]

Correct! If you didn’t have any height speakers at all, you can get away with elevating the rear surrounds about a foot or two above ear level. But with heights, it’s best to keep all the other speakers at ear level. 🎉

[@tg614]

Well i do have the bug that is why i have looked this up and you did hit all the points fast and simple , just 5.1 but the is 1 is an svs 1000pro,

[@o.c.g.m9426]

Loving my Klipsch 7.2.4 4 atmos is Super Easy Barely an Inconvenience

[@AlexGreig]

Great video Ealan! My current setup is 5.2.2 and i'm about to buy a nine channel amp to go to 7.2.2. Your video has made me think though, which is better 7.2.2 or 5.2.4? Could be an interesting video.

[@fotophotographer]

I think you mean choosing between 7.2.2 or 5.2.4. Could you not do 7.2.4? Which processor or receiver are you considering?

[@AlexGreig]

@@fotophotographer I was going to get the Denon 3800H

[@fotophotographer]

@@AlexGreig in that case, if your room can accommodate a 7 speaker bed layer (speakers around ear level), then definitely go for 7.2.4. You can very cheaply use an external amp to power your two top rear speakers. (E.g. Fosi amp)

[@totalplonker824]

I suppose it all comes down to room size

[@fotophotographer]

@@totalplonker824 good point, I'm assuming since he's already contemplating 7.2.2 then 7.2.4 should be doable.

[@StephenAtt797]

I noticed a major difference when I went from 5.1.2 to 7.1.4, in my room, I think that maxes out the configuration I can justify in my space. I never had the opportunity to have side heights, so I can't compare that to all 4, but I tried both fronts and rears in the 5.1.2 config and while there was more information to be heard, it was certainly not immersive (ATMOS or DTS:X). Nice video,

[@itzjustkris7964]

what receiver do you use to use that many speakers im new and most somewhat afforable receivers are only 5.2.4 or 7.2.2

[@StephenAtt797]

@@itzjustkris7964 Yeah it's a $$$ jump to go from 9 to 11, but there are now more options as the new AVR's have forced some the last generation 11 channel machines down in price. I got a very lightly used Denon X4700H about 18 months ago... price for a new one is less than I paid then (since X4800 was released). You do need an external AMP to power at least 2 channels since it processes 11 channels but power for just 9. But if its an issue. I would definitely do 5.x.4. Depending on room layout, rear surrounds might not be that big a del... IMHO

[@itzjustkris7964]

@@StephenAtt797 thanks im new to this so idk how to setup shop for or what needs to be considered when getting a two channel amp...does it need the same power thats going to the other speakers?

[@jake-jp3vb]

Placement is everything, if you’re on the fence buy once cry once.

[@richlandzee8686]

Just wanted to know if you have any plans on reviewing the heavily hyped Sony HT-A9 and sub which supposedly has the best Dolby Atmos/phantom 12 chanel from physical 4.1.4 configuration. I'm not convinced it could handle a 8 to 9.5-foot vaulted ceiling transition from a left to right TV position properly. Relying on physical sound bouncing off angled ceiling height is hard even with DSP 🤔

[@ealanosborne]

I finally got an “in” with Sony reps when I reviewed the A3000 soundbar, so hopefully I’ll be getting my hands on the A9 in the near future… 🤞

[@cmammen]

I was looking for something new to watch! Go 4!

[@jine8867]

Hey man my problem is that my couch is straight to the wall so i cant put them 50 cm or more behind me, does it still works or what is the situation about that ?

[@xxBlazinBobxx]

Thank you for the reference to the Harry Potter "pixie" scene. I'm always looking for good movie examples to test my setup. I use 7.2.6 with my Denon X8500HA and I have on-wall front heights, and in ceiling top middle and top rear (which lets me use Auro 3D if I want). I think if I were to setup my height layout again, I would go with rear on-wall heights to maximize coverage and separation. I thought he TechnoDad video he has demonstrating Atmos sound movement up/down, left/right and front/back was cool, as I could hear how the designated position and movement sounded in my actual setup. Now we just need more movies with with effort put into the height channels!

[@ealanosborne]

Exactly! There needs to be a standard set by Dolby Labs where if it says it’s mastered in Atmos, than it means it’s dynamic and truly immersive 🤘

[@cgm246]

i am @ .2 moving to .4 within the year....I definitely notice a difference from 5.2 to 5.2.2!

[@corinthiansjohnson4270]

Great video I just learn something today Static and Dynamic Atmos.

[@ealanosborne]

Never stop learning! 😄🤘

[@markdance574]

I’d also imagine the sound will be affected by the AV of choice - my AV allows me to not only tell it where my speakers are in terms of location / position it then measures it’s location by height and distance from the AV . My two height channels are in ceiling speakers with internal tweeters - these were specifically designed by Monitor Audio for Dolby Atmos - my av however only supports two height channels. Eventually il upgrade it. I’d also say use two subwoofer’s if possible- it makes another big difference

[@XeRzclanPR]

Hey great video. I noticed you have the same tv as me (LG C1 65"). How are you getting DTSX effects on it? I thought the new LG OLEDS dont support DTSX. Best I can do is pass through PCM

[@ealanosborne]

All my audio is processed by a preamp/AVR which then goes straight to my speakers. I basically only use the TV for visuals.

[@umrryan]

This video had impeccable timing for me, as I just upgraded from a 5 channel Onkyo to a 9 channel Pioneer (RZ-50 clone). I setup and watched a few movies with the same 5.1 speakers, then added two heights, and still planned to connect the additional pair for the full effect. I have one question, do you prefer up mixing height effects on 5.1 mixes sometimes, always or never? Thanks for the interesting and informative video.

[@ealanosborne]

I almost always just let the receiver upmix any 5.1 or 7.1 mix, since it does it automatically anyway. It usually does a great job in separating what it thinks should be placed in the height channels. Pretty remarkable.

[@umrryan]

@@ealanosborne that's awesome to hear, thanks for the quick response!

[@JWGARCIA79]

I think 7.2.2 would beneficial

[@kthx1138]

I've currently got a 7.1.2, with height channel speakers above my head in the 11 o'clock position, and in my small acoustical space, it seems sufficient FOR NOW.

[@ealanosborne]

Excellent! 🙌

[@bryanp4827]

I have a 7.2.4 system, and would NEVER have anything less!

[@versus023]

Im looking to upgrade to a 9.2 channel receiver (from a 7.2) (currently having a 5.2, but i dont have space to pu 5.2.4) to be able to listen to content in auro3d (in future living room). From what I heard, auro3d upmixing is better than atmos.

[@ealanosborne]

Right now the best future-proof, scalable, bang-for-your-buck AVR that supports 2 subwoofers is the Onkyo RZ50. 👇 howl.me/cl1AKE01wc1

[@craigosterberg5045]

Thanks

[@robertrobitaille320]

Great video. Have a 5.2.2 bit for my middle Atmos speakers I ended up putting 4 speaker's place unevenly. For me gave great results. Plus my front speakers also plug on same wire some smaller speakers like a feet back from them slightly place " wider" than my front ones. So for Mad Max and Harry Potter scene you speak sound is impressive. I'm curious to experiment what you explain. But a receiver with 9 channel is $$$ plus would need extra speakers. Would I gain front it???

[@ealanosborne]

If you get an AVR like the new Denon x3800h, you would gain not only better height effects, but the capability of expansion in the future. You wouldn’t have to rely on the amplifiers inside the AVR forever. You could expand into using external amplifiers, which can more easily power larger, more powerful speakers that you eventually upgrade to over time. 👍

[@robertrobitaille320]

@@ealanosborne Thanks.

[@wolfmanjack530]

What are your thoughts on the Sony HT-A9 soundbar system?

[@ealanosborne]

I’m trying to get my hands on one for review. I finally got in with Sony when I was able to review the HT-A3000, but of course I want to check out their flagship too! 😄

[@wolfmanjack530]

@@ealanosborne I have the HT-A9 and it’s totally awesome. Love the effects on Dolby Atmos and Spatial sound. It’s much more noticeable when playing video games whether on my Series X or PS5 but definitely hear it when watching movies too. Some movies Atmos are more noticeable then other movies with Atmos I guess it’s bc that’s what the director intended to sound or something buts it’s truly an awesome system. Expensive but for guys like me who are not too detailed in getting a real home theater experience like what you have it’s totally perfect. No wires too…That’s a huge Win for me.

[@techcode_man]

Nailed it!! love it !!! 😅

[@CalCobra]

Hey Ealan, I remember one of your videos you showed that you installed in-ceiling speakers. I'm eying the Polk Audio VT60 6.5-inch 2-Way in-Ceiling Speakers. Any thoughts on these? Seems hard to beat for the price! Did you mount your in-ceiling speakers in speaker baffles?

[@ealanosborne]

Yeah, the in-ceiling speakers I’ve dealt with in the past were made to just be installed straight into the ceiling, no additional baffle or housing required. Worked out well! 🎉 And I agree with you regarding the Polk VT60 speakers! Impressive that their frequency response dips all the way down to 33 Hz. Great for the price, for sure!

[@barrymonger]

I'm new to all this and I currently have a 5.1.2 setup. I'm using SVS Prime Elevation speakers for my heights (placed above the listening position) and I have to say that I'm really disappointed with Atmos as a whole. Do you think if I invested in a further two SVS speakers and placed them at the front and rear of the room my experience would be better?

[@bigdreams5554]

4 height channels sound much better than 2. Had the Denon s760h then upgraded to Denon x3700h for the additional channels. Speaker placement is super important. Depends on your room size and ceiling height. Need to make sure speakers are at the correct angles from the main listening positioning. Properly placed, movies like John Wick sound amazing! However, most movies don't have good Atmos mixes so... You really want need to want to have the best experience watching John Wick, or hopefully , Top Gun Maverick at home to make it worth it

[@barrymonger]

@P T I have a Denon X3700H and the speakers were calibrated using Audyssey. Maybe I should turn the height channels up and see if that helps.

[@barrymonger]

@P T Thanks, will do.

[@gsanchez922]

I’m trying to figure out if really worth the extra $700 get a .4 vs .2. I got the denon x1800h for $550, polk ES20 for L/R $330 and Klipsch theater pack 5.1 for $175. The cheapest 9 channels I can find is 1k and extra set of polk es10 is around $200. I’m planning later add ES30 or ES35

[@ealanosborne]

I think it's worth it, since you're creating a true cube of audio that objects can more freely move around in, as opposed to only 2 heights where audio objects are more limited with their movements. The Onkyo 7100 (which I highly recommend) is on sale through tomorrow for only $799. My affiliate link is below if that interests you. :) howl.me/ckSHESYv4lj

[@D.L.W.]

My sound system consists of 2 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers, an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 2 SVS Ultra Surround speakers, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the rear wall for the rear channels) and an SVS SB-3000 Subwoofer with a built-in 800 watt R.M.S. amplifier (2,500 watts peak power). The system is powered by a Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A8A 11 channel AVR.

[@ealanosborne]

Daaaaang! That’s a mighty fine setup you got there! 🤘

[@D.L.W.]

@@ealanosborne thank you sir!

[@D.L.W.]

I've updated my system since my last post. Currently, my sound system consists of 4 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains and 2 for the side channels), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 6 SVS Prime Elevation speakers (4 ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos and 2 mounted on the back wall for the rear channels) and 2 SVS SB-3000 Subwoofers. The system is powered by a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A 11 channel AVR connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner.

[@codychavarria6088]

What do you want and ceiling speakers directly above you

[@psyphonyxaudio]

Next .... Dolby Vs Auro3D upmix..

[@lisawhitehouse927]

I have a 7.2.6. Why? Because I could. Probably not much of a difference from 4 to 6 other than the room is filled more perhaps, leaving no gaps in overhead sound. If there is a preout jack I’m going to use it

[@ealanosborne]

Hell yeah! Might as well make the most of what you have! 😀🎉

[@lgmnowkondo938]

why can't we use a soundbar and hack it to remove the height speakers and run them up the wall?

[@mikkelrasmussen7306]

Really like your short and precise videos!! I got my 5.1 setup and ready - but I still have the last two speakers to install. I'm thinking about installing them as middle heigh as you showed in the last video. When installing middle height - do I mount right above and pointing down at MLP or a little in front MLP? Or would you recommend to install them as FH? I'm so much in doubt!! :)

[@ealanosborne]

If you can, I’d mount them to the sides pointing down. But depending on the room layout, if that’s not possible, I’d mount them straight up above your MLP. Which speakers are you planning on putting up (make and model)?

[@mikkelrasmussen7306]

@@HTadd1ct The ceiling is not an option at the moment :) I'm looking for a wall/height solution

[@reclaimer1178]

@@mikkelrasmussen7306 How did it work for you?

[@mikkelrasmussen7306]

@@ealanosborne : I ended up buying Mission LX-3D MKII which are now used as middle heights

[@mikkelrasmussen7306]

@@reclaimer1178 : Hi - I I ended up buying Mission LX-3D MKII which are now used as middle heights. Im not an expert - but it works fine for me :)

[@leesunlung]

My unsymmetrical room, am I able to use rear 2 high ceiling speakers as a side surround?

[@ealanosborne]

I don’t see why not, just to try it out! That’s what running room correction is for, so that no matter where the speakers happen to be located, it’ll be correctly time aligned to your main listening position.

[@davidgerald285]

I've four prime elevations for heights, what's the best crossover for them, read so many reviews and watched many video reviews, a lot of opinions, what's is best.

[@ealanosborne]

I would try 2 different crossovers and see how they perform in your listening space - 80 Hz and 120 Hz. 🤷‍♂️ For science! 😁

[@jeroen1013]

Hi ealan, great clip. Thanks. What would you think about having a 5.1.3 for auro 3d with 2 front heights and 1 voice of God. Maybe above the listening position?

[@ealanosborne]

Hmmm…I’d have to check my Marantz SR7015 software to see if that still qualifies as Auro 3D. It might only support Auro setups if you have at least 4 height channels, but not 3. But I might be mistaken… 🤷‍♂️

[@jeroen1013]

@@ealanosborne after a demo download of techno dad I found out that my front hights won't form stereo pairs of not accompanied with rear hights. So I'll go for rears than....

[@89JAEH]

My system is 5.2.2, want to upgrade to 7.2.2

[@totalplonker824]

Using external amp for Atmos channels has a unknown benefit. Unless one has got the option to turn Atmos channels off. When listening to a 5.1 decoded movie one will be hearing the same signal that's going to the bed layout speakers as do what's going to the Atmos channels! One can get away with it while listening to a 5.1 movie but listening to a 2-channel decoded movie with the height channels on is a absolute no no. In my experience It messes up the whole soundstage (just way too overbearing) Thankfully I use a separate poweramp for my Atmos channels so when am listening to a 2-channel decoded movie, I have the ability to switch my Atmos channels off! But of course most people don't use a separate power amp for Atmos channels. Hence the reason why most people are not even aware of it!

[@Neo_Sauron]

I heard stupid flies #1 and #2 because they approached your head from the top front of your room, and I have a 5.2.2 setup. However, I never heard stupid fly #3 approach your head because he apparently came in from the top REAR of your room, and since I don't have a 5.2.4 setup I couldn't hear him buzzing in. That's enough proof for me, time to get those two extra height speakers

[@ealanosborne]

😂😂🎉

[@troyhenry3267]

Ealan, I'm configuring a small bedroom measuring 12.5 x 12.5 x 9ft. With the tightness of this room, where would you recommend placement for 4 atmos channels?? My seating will be pretty much against back wall maybe coming 6-7 inches. Thoughts??

[@ealanosborne]

I’d put the front heights on the wall above the TV in the corner where the wall and ceiling meet. The rear heights I’d put right above you pointing down at you mounted on the ceiling (if possible).

[@troyhenry3267]

Ealan, I'm going with all in-ceiling atmos spkrs. Does this change my front location positioning?

[@tamerelsamahy9006]

Hello Ealan...Are the Monoprice headphones able to compete with Yamaha, Sony and Polk Audio headphones...because their prices are low?

[@ealanosborne]

I haven’t heard them in person, but it’s very possible! Joe N Tell has done many Monoprice-focused videos lately and they are making some quality products these days. 🤷‍♂️

[@garyausten5939]

I was going to upgrade from 7.2.2 to 7.2.4 ---- eventually. but I guess it was yesterday, I noticed that Amazon had the Klipsch RP-500SAs on sale for 40% off, making them 1/2 the price of the 500SAiis, $299 vs $599. I re-checked today to see if they were sill available. Since my front heights were the original version and the sale ones were as well, I mashed down on the "Buy Now" button! Realistically, the room my home theater is in, my bedroom, is not appropriate at this time for the rears I'll probably put them in the basement for a while, unless I find an alternative. My single lounge chair is within inches of the rear wall, If I managed to put the new speakers up, would I even hear anything coming from them? I mean, the drivers would be pointing toward the middle/front of the room instead of towards me., but hey, even though Id've rather had the walnut finish to match my other Klipsch, save the sub,, I couldn't pass on the price! Next on the list will be replacing the old tiny tinny Polk satellites I use for my surrounds, but that will (probably?) be a while from now.

[@ealanosborne]

You can try mounting them above your listening position, shooting audio straight down at you. No shame in that. 🤷‍♂️

[@garyausten5939]

@@ealanosborne Unfortunately, I don't think there's a way to mount them that way, like there is with other brands of Atmos speakers, like the SVS(?) which has a special ceiling bracket. I forgot whose You-Tube channel it was I saw that on. I could look online, though. Thanks for answering.

[@davidhamilton163]

5.0.2 right now. My sub gave up the ghost. Fortunately powered towers so my bass is still quite good. Wife-wise I am at maximum right now. Receiver is a Yamaha RX-A2060 so good to go when I get the good to go....lol

[@ealanosborne]

Haha! I get that, believe me! 😁🤘

[@reclaimer1178]

SO if you have 4 heights, you recommend frong and back, and not on the side, front, or back?

[@schemkesa]

Thinking of upgrading to surround back speakers for 7.1 before upgrading to height speakers

[@ealanosborne]

That's a solid plan. I approve. 👍

[@schemkesa]

Ok I've upgraded to 7.1.2 Yes I added 2 front height speakers to experience Atmos height FX. So no movement, but I think there's just not enough content to upgrade to 4 Atmos speakers (yet)

[@danoliver7161]

With a 9 ch receiver If you have the option of two Atmos top channels and 2 front height (7.1.2) or four Atmos top channels (5.1.4) is there much of a difference? Does the receiver just adjust how it mixes the sound to give the most immersive sound.

[@ealanosborne]

If there are moving height objects in a particular scene, it’s more noticeable with 4 heights, since you have essentially created a cube of audio. If you have 2 heights, the movement of height objects tends to dip down in the ear-level speakers, when it would remain up high with 4 height speakers.

[@ripper5941]

Hey, did you use the auro 3d upscaler for media consumption or just the standard Atmos?

[@ealanosborne]

For this test I wanted just straight Atmos or DTS:X. I did an Auro/Atmos comparison in a video awhile ago, but I am planning to revisit that topic within my new testing theater. 👍

[@aapablaz]

Hi Ealan, great video. I have a 5.2.2 using in Polk in ceiling speakers. as height middle. You have talked about front-rear height speakers. It would the same effect if I add rear height speakers with these height middle positioned?

[@ealanosborne]

Eh, kind of. Ideally you’ll want front heights to be a bit forward of your listening position to truly get an immersive experience when certain audio objects are moving around 🤷‍♂️

[@aapablaz]

Finally I changed my Onkyo and I bought a Marantz 6015 adding rear high speakers and the sound between both brands is very different and the speciality now is great!!!!!! 2 vs 4 channels is night and day!

[@ealanosborne]

@@aapablaz WOOHOO! 🎉

[@aapablaz]

@@ealanosborne oh yes......also, now with this receiver, I put my two SVS SB1000 in opossite sides, one in left rear corner and the other one in right front corner and the sound also improved a lot!!!!! before that I had both behind my couch and I didn't notice it how boomy was having them there. Still working on the fine tuning, but happy with the changes!!!!!

[@ealanosborne]

@@aapablaz Nice experimenting! That’s what it takes, baby! 😁🤘

[@wendellwendellb339]

I’m getting the Denon 3800h, so I will be going with 6 height channels which I already have in place, as well as 4 subs!

[@ealanosborne]

Ooo…just FYI, the only Denons that support 6 heights are the x6700h and higher. Just one of those software limitations. Weird, I know…

[@wendellwendellb339]

That’s wrong, per Techno Dad, it can do 5.4.6. The back surrounds are used for 2 of the height channels!

[@ealanosborne]

@@wendellwendellb339 Whoa! That’s revolutionary for Denon then! They used to limit the lower tier 9 channel AVRs with features, but I guess not anymore! That’s awesome! 🤘

[@wendellwendellb339]

@@ealanosborne Hey Ealan, if you go through the 3800h manual under connections, there is a layout when using three sets of height speakers!

[@lukekingsland5851]

My set up is currently 5.1.2, would it be better if I were to upgrade, to go 7.1.2 or 5.1.4? Obviously the end goal is 7.2.4 but I'll certainly seperate amp for that

[@ealanosborne]

I’d try both, depending on your listening space. A nice trick I’ve learned is to use heavy duty Velcro from your local hardware store for temporary placement of height speakers so you’re not drilling holes that would have to be immediately patched up. If 5.1.4 sounds better? Great! But if 7.2.2 works out better in your space, you haven’t drilled holes for nothing after testing out 5.1.4. 😀

[@Christopher._M]

Can someone tell me why we can't get two receivers with 5 channels each and split the work so that we can get 10 channels Im no expert but I don't believe it should be difficult to do that.

[@davidgunther1282]

When you do these tests, are you using 4K disk or streaming?

[@ealanosborne]

Of course! I wanna make sure I’m getting the best baseline for these tests. 🤘

[@everyday_life1991]

I just purchased the 5.1 klipsch reference theater pack what avr would you recommend I would like to have atleast have 2 ceiling speaker maybe 4 ? But on a budget maybe 600 bucks to spend on a avr

[@ealanosborne]

Not sure if you’re in the U.S., but Crutchfield has the Onkyo 6100 on sale for $599. Very solid. It’s a 7.2 channel AVR that would allow you to have 2 height speakers if you have 2 more not being used in your home somewhere. 🎉

[@everyday_life1991]

Thank you sooooo much . And yes I’m in the US 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

[@giacintorenta7579]

Can you please share which Harry Potter movie is that and the minute of the scene? Testing night!

[@ealanosborne]

#2 Chamber of Secrets. Chapter 11: Gilderoy Lockhart 👍

[@giacintorenta7579]

@@ealanosborne thanks

[@dextermorgan1]

Worth it? Yes, as long as you use speakers above your head, and not the "reflecting" speakers that hardly work.

[@jeffjefferson7384]

Now we need Annoying Fly in Atmos.

[@ealanosborne]

Haha! Maybe that’ll be a part of Dolby’s next Atmos demo disc… 🤣