DOLBY VISION & HD FURY | Which product is BEST for YOUR setup?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Who’s using HDFury products in their setup and what’s your favorite feature?

[@ericspear3610]

Hi Cowboy! Thank you for the great explanation of the differences of HDFury products. Personally, I am currently using the HDFury Arcana. I needed a solution for getting Dolby Atmos from my new Bose 900 Soundbar (I also have the satellite rear surround speakers and two Bose subwoofers). I an HDMI switch for hooking up my Apple TV 4K, Blu-Ray player and Xbox. The sources are connected to the HDMI switch and the output of the switch to the Arcana. Output of the Arcana goes to the TV and the Bose 900 Soundbar. This set up is awesome as I now get Dolby Atmos sound. An additional benefit of using the Arcana is the LLDV>HDR conversion which allows me to have Dolby Vision as well. Problem is, I am so impressed with the Arcana and the availability of LLDV>HDR and how good the picture looks, last night I ordered a new Samsung 75" QN90A QLED TV to replace my 2016 Vizio 65" E65U-D3. LOL. I realize Samsung is the only TV maker that "shuns" Dolby Vision in lieu of their HDR 10+ but the reviews on the picture quality and performance sold me on this model. I plan on using the same connection setup with the new TV and utilizing the Arcana LLDV>HDR to still get me Dolby Vision. I'm hoping that if the Arcana can give me such a great picture on my current TV that is limited by the BT. 709 color gamut that it should perform even better with my new TV that has the wide color gamut. Will know soon I guess...

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@ericspear3610 Thank you for watching and your support! HD Fury products really are great little devices. Never gonna go without one in my Home Theater setup. I need to get another one for my living room setup. Definitely come back and let me know your thoughts and how the Arcana integrates with your new Samsung tv!

[@JPace19]

Thanks for your helpful content. Will the Diva or Vertex get Dolby Vision LLDV if my projector is SDR only and doesn’t support HDR?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@JPace19 Thank you! My unofficial answer is proooobably no. And I say that because LLDV needs to be sent back to projector in an HDR 10 container. So if your projector doesnt support HDR it probably wont work. BUT, there is a ton of customization so you could probably still configure and setup macros to tone map your content, it just won’t activate the LLDV. But I am not entirely sure on that.

[@ericspear3610]

Hi Cowboy. I promised to get back to you when I got my new TV so here I am... I got my new TV in, and all set up. It has a gorgeous picture. OMG. I am so glad I opted for this model. Picture is incredibly bright, and I get 4k UHD, HDR10+, and Dolby Atmos using my Apple TV 4K. Problem is, the picture quality is so fantastic in HDR, I am not sure I will even use my Arcana anymore. Since the new TV has an eARC HDMI connection that lets me "pass thru" Dolby Atmos from my Apple TV 4k, I no longer need the Arcana for that. Also, HDR looks SO beautiful, I am not sure I even want to mess with putting the Arcana in the mix as it will just take the LLDV signal and change it to HDR which, interestingly enough, when I play movies marked as Dolby Vision on Netflix through the Apple TV 4K, my TV shows it is playing in HDR anyway. I thought if my TV wasn't Dolby Atmos capable, I wouldn't even see the Dolby Vision icon on the movie in the description of formats offered but I do. Anyway, Arcana is a great product, even if I don't need it anymore. LOL

[@Argelius1]

This was a great video. Thanks for putting all this together! It seems like a bit of a learning curve is involved. I'm getting a Samsung S90D OLED for use with AppleTV 4K, a 4K DVD, XBox One, and Sonos Arc. If I understand things correctly, the VROOM will give me Dolby Vision on the TV, and eARC connectivity for the Sonos, as well as being a HDMI switch, which means only one cable goes in to the TV (less messy!). Do I got that part right?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you! And correct! One cable from the VROOM to your display and all your sources into the vroom.

[@GIO77ification]

This video is nice and short and honeslty im wild suprised that more HD Fury products do not show up when people reference HDMI switches and audip extactors. Pricey, but if pricey gets me what i want then i gets thats what i need to pay......

[@hatoraidcowboy]

I agree! They are fantastic products. Not sure why there isnt more videos on them either. Just trying to do my part. They are great devices for projectors to get that beautiful Dolby Vision!

[@sigjudge]

Such a helpful video. About to pull the trigger on the Vroom 8K

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you!

[@chebrubin]

Great video. Does the top of the line HD Fury let you extract audio out independently?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you! Yes you there are audio only inputs.

[@moveezy5591]

I have the hd fury diva but I am having a hard time getting the dolby vision feature to work you should do a step by step video on it I know I would really appreciate it

[@hatoraidcowboy]

What issue are you having exactly?

[@moveezy5591]

@@hatoraidcowboy I need to know how to hook it up to my processor which is a emotiva xmc2 what settings do I put it in to get dolby vision I've had it for a while and basically gave up because I couldn't get it to run dolby vision

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@moveezy5591 Ok, lemme brainstorm and see how I can make a video

[@moveezy5591]

@@hatoraidcowboy looking forward to seeing it

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Already started making the video 😁

[@phiphifoofoo]

Is there an actual visual quality difference between the arcana vs the Vertex or.Vroom for a projector setup? I purchased the Arcana for the LLDV support but wonder if I'm missing out on image quality / better hdr by not getting the Vroom or Vertex 2. Please let me know thx.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Image quality is all going to be the same. If you need more hdmi inputs go with the Vertex2 or Diva. If you want hdmi 2.1 support with 48gbps then go with the VROOM. But you’re not missing out on anything video resolution/quality wise

[@phiphifoofoo]

@@hatoraidcowboy Thank you so much!

[@hatoraidcowboy]

You’re welcome!

[@montauc3243]

I received the Arcada 2 and hooked it up. Worked without a glitch! Thank you. Better PQ!! Just tey8ng to make some adjustments ao that all hdr10 will show in LLDV. Any ideas were It would say that it's running in LLDV

[@hatoraidcowboy]

That’s awesome!! 🙌 Have you tried the LLDV presets?

[@montauc3243]

@hatoraidcowboy I know I can turn on lldv but I would have to downloads those right?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@montauc3243 What do you mean by download? The content?

[@montauc3243]

@hatoraidcowboy lol no I should have been more clear different lldv profiles created by users. Tbh I hooked it up yesterday, turned on lldv and viewed some streaming dolby vision material that I have watched on my oled. I haven't had a chance to really get involved. I know on my projector screen hd fury stats is telling me HDR. Does hd fury actually say LLDV on screen stats when running lldv? Thanks

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@montauc3243 oh my bad lol Yea whenever you’re watching Dolby Vision content it’ll show LLDV

[@sergeytulenin9215]

Hi. really cool review thanks a lot for your staff. Do you know how exactly working HDR Tone Mapping using Hdfury ? I mean it analyzing frame by frame like JVC ? Or this something different. Thanks !

[@hatoraidcowboy]

The HDFury doesnt actually do the tone mapping. It “tricks” your display into being able to support LLDV. The player/device does the tone mapping.

[@plouie49]

Thanks for this. I've ordered the 8KVrroom as I have an Epson LS12000 and want to get LLDV as well as HDR10+ which my AVR does not support at the moment. My Panasonic UB820, AppleTV4K gen3 and Zidoo ZX9 all support HDR10+ so will be nice to get LLDV or HDR10+ on those. If a signal is HDR10+ do I have to set the HDFury to just pass through the signal? And change if I want LLDV? Thanks

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Let me double check on that. I know before I had to change the EDID profile to HDR 10+ to get HDR 10+ on my Oppo.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Congrats on your 8KVroom btw! You got a killer setup over there!

[@praveenalackal]

Have you heard about projector Formovie Theater which is a DV certified one available in US? if not, you should check.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Yes! I have an interview schedule with them @ CES 😃 Stay tuned for some content!

[@kraddoomsters]

So many words in this video that I don't understand 😆😂 It is my understanding that the vrroom also has "cool sound related stuff" useful for like Sonos systems, that it's basically the equivalent of Vertex2 + Arcana

[@hatoraidcowboy]

LOL I’m not sure on the Sonos integrations. I only use mine for LLDV and the hdmi switching.

[@BennySibbitt]

I have the sony xw5000 projector and a sony 85” TV that has Dolby Vision and a denon av receiver. Question, should i plug my apple TV in to my receiver then plug my vrroom into my receiver then vrroom directly into my projector. letting my receiver do the hdmi switching and my TV process Dolby Vision on it’s own?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

For a non HDMI 2.1 setup, I would go: Projector/display into receiver, vroom into hdmi input of receiver, and then apple tv into Vroom. Let the Vroom do the switching. However, if your display is HDMI 2.1, then I would go VROOM directly into projector and apple tv/components into vroom, and then split the audio and just use your receiver for audio. That way you can get full benefit from HDMI 2.1. If your receiver AND your projector is hdmi 2.1 as well then it doesnt matter and you can basically hook it up how you want.

[@montauc3243]

I subscribed because your videos are excellent!! I have a marantz sr7012 set up as my switcher with a sheild, chromecast ultra, 4k bluray player and xbox. I need dolbyvision sent to my epson 5050ub. Which hd fury should i go with? Also is it worthwhile using a vroom or diva to do the switching or just get arcana for dolby vision? Thank you

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thanks man!! If you want to future proof I’d say go with the VROOM for hdmi 2.1. But the Diva will also work. The only limiting factor is that they only have 4 hdmi slots. So if you have 4 or less components you can just let HDFury do the switching. If you have more you’d still need your receiver for the other components. If you ONLY want Dolby vision then you can just go with the Arcana

[@montauc3243]

@@hatoraidcowboy Thanks for your quick reply brother. I want it more for dolby vision as I use a logitech remote and marantz and switching is great and 4 devices is max I will have. Should I go with the Arcana 2 over the Arcana?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@montauc3243 No problem man! Yea I would go with the Arcana 2!

[@ER-rt9le]

I only need LLDV to my Optoma UHZ65lv laser projector. I bought a used original vertex but can’t find much on it like your video for the diva settings. I think I saw somewhere that you have to manual switch back and forth for LLDV with a original vertex as opposed to it being automatic with arcana, diva, zoom and vertex2? Can you confirm? And have you used the original vertex? If so any help is appreciated in settings for LLDV with that unit. Great content!

[@hatoraidcowboy]

I can’t confirm as I’ve only used the Fury Diva. But I can confirm that the LLDV is automatically enabled. What devices are you using? And thank you!

[@ER-rt9le]

@@hatoraidcowboy thanks for replying. I just picked up a uhz65lv to replace my 5050ub(for shaper, brighter and no lamp maintenance), SI Slate 5 1.2 115” alr. I recently picked up a Panasonic ub9000 to replace my oppo 103d player(may keep it for 2nd player), Apple TV 4K 2021 version, and ps5/Xbox series x and a denon x6400h. I haven’t connected the ub9000 but would it’s “HDR optimizer” interfere with LLDV? Anyway I purchased the vertex v1 but a little lost finding info for LLDV settings and if in fact auto switches or not. I think I saw people that just want LLDV can use a HDFury Aracana vs older or more expensive/feature loaded products if they just want LLDV.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@ER-rt9le Yea the Arcana should work fine if you dont need the hdmi switching.

[@welderfixer]

Hey Cowboy, great job of explaining the HD Fury products! I'm glad I don't have a 4k TV and the need to spend the money to add on gear. Sometimes having old equipment saves money. After 10 years of battling to save up and purchase a piece of the best "bang for buck" gear (new or used) and/or repairing salvaged electronics for my system, I believe I'm fed up with all of it. It's becoming a hobby of no reward. No one in my family watches movies on my system except me and I tend to fall asleep during movies or listening to music. It all SUX bad. Too much money and waste of precious time. Oh well, sort of fun while it lasted.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you! Oh man I’m sorry you arent enjoying it anymore. Maybe something will reinvigorate you. I dont have a family but I can see how that could be a bummer. When I get married I hope my wife will join me in this hobby lol

[@raymondayala5355]

At some point you just need to be happy with what you got. I e gone from a accoustimass Bose system, Sony Reciever, Denon 4700, Matantz 7706, SVS Ultra tower theater package, 1 SVS PC2000, 1 SB3000, 2 SVS PB3000 and finally upgraded to Emotiva XMC-2 and Arendal 1723 S monitors and surrounds. I kept the PB3000s and the SVS ceiling speakers and I’m finally happy with my home theater. I’ve been enjoying it every single day for the last 2 years.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Congrats! Nice system. Arendals are great arent they? 😁

[@welderfixer]

@@hatoraidcowboy Cowboy, It's been 10 months from this posting and I'm glad to see that you are getting more and more views on your channel and more gear send to you for review. My AV enjoyment is still "on the rocks". Any near future upgrades is out of the question due to extreme financial issues. Hopefully, I may be able to rescue myself and home. Now, about the wife thing..... don't get your hopes set too high with any woman enjoying anything as you do. That creature is rarer than a Hen Jackalope. I do wish you all the best in your search for happiness in your AV systems and what's left of true romance out there.

[@welderfixer]

@@raymondayala5355 Yes sir, happiness is hard won battle. It may be time to get rid of everything and start over with the clock radio I still have from my teenage years. 🤔

[@montauc3243]

Hey man thanks again for your fantastic channel. I picked up the arcana 2 and it works well. The colors and highlights on my epson 5050ub are def dolby visionesque! Question: Other then the hdmi ports what features or settings would I gain if I get the Vrooom instead. Better black adjustment etc? I just need it for dolby vision but can i fine tune it for better doby visikn if that makes sense? Thank you : )

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you!! There’s not much difference between the Arcana 2 and the Vroom besides the hdmi ports so you should be good with the Arcana 😃

[@pellegulbrandsen]

Another great video, thanks for useful info. I am considering getting a HDFury for my Epson LS500. However my AVR is a bit outdated and don’t even support 4K passthrough. So what HDFury product can take the signal from my ATV4K and split it in 4K HDR video for my LS500 and audio for my AVR via hdmi.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you! In your case you can plug your HD fury into the epson via hdmi arc and then send the audio back to your receiver over one of the hdmi audio only however you wont be able to pass dolby atmos or dts:x because hdmi arc doesnt have enough bandwidth to pass those through like eArc. But either of the 4K Diva, Vroom or Vertex 2 will split the audio and video.

[@chebrubin]

@@hatoraidcowboy you are a treasure to your audience. The best ultra HD blueray players have split video and audio. I like that more than eArc for certain applications. Especially big time projectors.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thanks man I really appreciate it. Yea I think AV companies are realizing a lot of people still have legacy equipment and need the A/V split. That’s why I love HD Fury products cause they give you all options. I dont have to use that feature but it’s good to know all your bases are covered with one product.

[@richardharnwell3331]

Great video. Worth mentioning though, you don’t need to have invested in an “8K ecosystem” to benefit from the VROOM. Switching two 4K 120hz devices (PS5 & Xbox Series X) to a capable projector but sending the sound to an older receiver is my use case, and I suspect I’m not alone.

[@pellegulbrandsen]

@@hatoraidcowboy Thanks for your response. The AVR does not support Atmos or DTS:X anyway. with this setup would the image quality on the LS500 still improve? Then I guess it just a question, keep the old Receiver and get a HDFury product or get a new HDMI 2.1 capable receiver. I really like the sound of my old AVR, especially in stereo, it is a Yamaha rx a2030 so if I get a new one it should be great for stereo as well.

[@willmahoney2452]

I’m getting an Arcana for the price plus I don’t have too many sources and I’ll be getting a TV with full Dolby Vision at some point. My question is for sources that are strictly HDR 10 will the HD fury just pass it through?

[@willmahoney2452]

And lest I forget, thanks for the informative content.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Yes it will absolutely pass through an HDR 10 signal.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you!

[@romenigld]

If I use ina projector like the JMGO N1 Ultra which is a 4k. It is possible to convert for 8k?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

No you cant upconvert to 8K. Your display would have to do that. HDFury’s don’t up convert they just pass through the signal

[@BennySibbitt]

does the vvroom have 2 of the same output? both outputs are 4k 18g correct? I want to run apple TV to a 4k Projector and to my 4K TV Thanks

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Yessir you are correct.

[@BennySibbitt]

@@hatoraidcowboy sorry I edit question, i think i am leaning toward the vrroom now for the 10 bit color. does the vrroom have 2 full 4k outputs?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@BennySibbitt All the inputs should support HDMI 2.1

[@hatoraidcowboy]

40 Gbps

[@pabreu8587]

Review on the Hd Fury Arcana 2 Vrr

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Are you asking for a review? I dont have that model and they wont send me a review units.😩

[@fezzle81]

I just got a new LG HU810PW projector and am loving the SDR performance but the HDR Tone Mapping just makes everything almost unwatchable. The brightness is literally non existent so I found out about the HD Fury, what I'm not clear on is will it do tone mapping for standard HDR content and output it back to the projector for better performance? Or does it only apply to Dolby Vision content and turn it into LLDV then output to HDR?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Yea HDR 10 is always gonna be static no matter what. What LLDV does is it handles tone mapping on your streaming device or blu ray BEFORE it gets to your display. And then sends the signal back in a HDR 10 container. So you’ll still get dynamic tone mapping with LLDV it just wont be the full 12 bit color like the full version of DV

[@fezzle81]

@@hatoraidcowboy thanks for the quick response! So would there be any benefit getting the HD Fury if most of my content is HDR10 and not in Dolby Vision? I have a Nvidia Shield Pro and Plex for play back. Btw I love your content! You've up leveled my home theater game in so many ways.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@fezzle81 Is that the Nvidia shield the 2019 version? If so that one supports Dolby Vision. PLEX does support DV. However you still need DV content to benefit from an HD Fury product. If all your MKV rips(assuming they are MKV with PLEX) are HDR 10 then its not much of a benefit. BUT HD Fury products still offer more value than just DV. It can also do HDR 10+ and you’d be future proofing yourself if you ever upgrade to DV capable devices. Also are you using an AV Receiver? If so that needs to support DV as well

[@fezzle81]

@@hatoraidcowboy it's the newest Nvidia Shield Pro 2019 yes and I have a Onkyo TX-NR575 receiver which does support DV. Yes they are MKV files but not all have DV embedded just a handful while the remainder are just HDR10. I see what you mean about HDR10+ so that's what I'll have to consider. Thanks again and keep up the awesome content!

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@fezzle81 Yea you’re good then. I use my Apple TV 4K for DV content. I still have the 2017 Shield TV so most of my MKV rips are still HDR 10. I wish Apple would enable bitstream pass through for local content. Thank you and I appreciate your support!

[@peterwood2633]

Getting a Soby xw5000es soon!

[@hatoraidcowboy]

🤣🤣🤣 That was a good one!!! 🤦‍♂️ LOL

[@MrRman402]

Thanks for the vid. Very good differentiation of the products. You did forget the Arcana tho. I believe that one only has 1 input/output so if you only have 1 source you want to force lldv on and it does not have hdmi 2.1. Correct me if I'm wrong on that 1.

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@ MrRman402 Thanks! You are correct on the Arcana. I forgot to mention that aside from the regular Vertex. Do far the Vroom is the only one with hdmi 2.1 support.

[@TyGuyPS5]

Isnt this fine if all of your media is plugged into your AVR and you send that from AVR to Projector, why would you need more HDMI ports? Is this for people who dont have a 8k receiver?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@TyGuyPS5 For people who arent using their processor or receiver for video. The hdmi board on my processor sucks for video so I’m just using one hdmi to my processor for audio so I need more hdmi ports for video than the 4 on the HDFury.

[@Yydoughnhn]

which model is best for my setup xbox series x >> marantz sr8012 >> epson ls12000 , thanks so much :) more pwer to your channel

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Thank you! Are you doing any 4K 120 gaming on the series X? And how many hdmi inputs do you need for your devices?

[@Yydoughnhn]

@@hatoraidcowboy hi i need 2 inputs - xbox series x and nvidia shield pro. thanks and more power

[@hatoraidcowboy]

@@Yydoughnhn Then you might wanna go with a 4K Diva or Vertex2. They have 4 hdmi inputs

[@briansidella9734]

Do you know anyone in the Fort Lauderdale area that can set this up on my Samsung Projector?

[@hatoraidcowboy]

Hi Brian thank you for watching. Unfortunately I do not but I’ll be releasing a video this week with a walk through on how I have mine setup. Hopefully that can help you.

[@watching..........6494]

Thanks

[@hatoraidcowboy]

You’re welcome!