Don't Believe The Hype - The Intel NUC 9 Is Probably NOT For You!

[@freakysnuke2571]

And it's not even like the case is super small: the ghost canyon nuc is 5 liters while the pc velka 3 case is 3.7 liters of volume.

[@geigster]

It's also the exact same scenario with all these TB3 external gpus. Extreme loss of performance while being as large as sff PC's.

[@svedas01]

This nuc has integrated power suply and velka has external powerbrick, which saves some space, but I still agree to you.

[@freakysnuke2571]

@@ferinfox Doesn't really matter as it still isn't enough to accomodate a full sized gpu above like 225 mm (maybe except for asus designing a special sized card for the nuc since you're intel and not velkase) and most sff gpus have common sizes with small variances that'd fit in either case. The point I'm trying to make is that the nuc isn't even the best when it comes to small form factor pcs with acceptable performance if we just look at the raw volume.

[@falconeagle3655]

Exactly. The previous gaming nuc made sense. When they fused amd with Intel. It was big power in tiny PC. This one is just stupid.

[@ronaldsanpedro1976]

@@svedas01 velka 3 also has an internal psu. it uses a flex psu style.

[@MrAdhiSuryana]

This NUC system was design with Intel still have CPU leadership in mind. So they can even milk more money from consumer... Fortunately it doesn't happen

[@josuad6890]

the pricing also reflects that intel arrogance. AMD is the king now, and an AMD itx build would make much, much more sense than buying this overpriced element nonsense.

[@PflanzenChirurg]

@@josuad6890 even the tdp of a full fletched amd 3950x would kill this nuc xDDD

[@mitchell2719]

$1550 USD for a plastic case, loud af PSU, mobo, and an unlocked Intel mobile chip. My entire SFF build cost less than that

[@Steveindajeep]

It almost seems like they went "hey we arent competing anywhere else...lets try competing in the small ITX space" and then failed there too.

[@LeCiel93]

It's not like the small ITX market isn't already competitive enough lmao

[@Steveindajeep]

Their death grip on laptops might soon be ending as well.

[@joshuatatro4503]

I think it's more like they saw an opportunity to create a new product genre/niche (i.e. something like smaller than ITX, but with more control on pricing...) and decided that was a route worth exploring precisely because it means less competition. After all, AMD is incredibly unlikely to make a CPU-on-a-card for this form factor (though they could since it's just PCIe...), and anywhere AMD isn't is a good place for Intel at the moment.

[@josuad6890]

@@joshuatatro4503 idk, Intel probably already copyrighted the whole CPU-on-a-card thing. but again, this whole thing reminds me a lot to how xpoint optane flops. too expensive, platform locked, and less performance than typical SSD. now, the element is too damn expensive, platform locked to a specific (expensive) case, and less performance than AMD ITX build. It's awesome how they learned nothing from xpoint optanes really.

[@Hotrob_J]

At first I was like "that's neat, you can get a whole second computer you can plug into a pcie slot!" then I realized it's just a SFF computer with less customizability and repairability and extra steps

[@kevadu]

Don't forget higher price!

[@isturma]

THIS. At first it was the idea you could have a second streaming PC in an unused expansion slot, but that doesn't seem to be possible with this configuration. ITX is the better way to go, either standalone or in a 2-in-1 case. Guess Intel doesn't have anything up their sleeve to compete - that's what happens with a lack of competition.

[@reistje]

Yeah I really liked the idea of being able to slot in a second PC into a PCI-E slot from another computer. But as a standalone unit the only real feature is "you can get add a GPU" above other SFF cases. But then again is it really better then just a ITX system.

[@saturnGEEK]

I was hoping this would compete with the high-performance embedded systems market. The price mark is perfect for that market and provides necessary competition in that market amongst the various ARM systems (e.g.: Nvidia Jetson Xavier). But, no - it's for the consumer market. A completely missed opportunity.

[@BrettRothenberg]

@Emmett Chicles $13

[@OverdriveTech]

Me: Sees the price Wallet: Nah bro

[@ZAR556]

Hardly Repairable, Not Upgradable, More Expensive, Underpowered Sound like Greedy Wicked business strategy 😕 I hope it stop here and now

[@G33kyAli]

if this takes off, I guess we'll just have to wait for AMD to come up with something similar for half the price

[@NoWay1969]

I'd love to see AMD do something like this with comparable integrated graphics to a next-gen console. At the right price, that would sell.

[@kevenharvey9711]

I would not think it possible, the GPU would need GDDR to perform well enough but that would hurt the cpu.

[@NoWay1969]

@@kevenharvey9711 They're essentially doing what I would envision with the console chips. The only difference I would see is the ability to add an external card at some point due to processors generally needing to be upgraded less often than GPUs.

[@kevenharvey9711]

@@NoWay1969 Only the base xbone isn 't using gddr and it needs a special cache to make up for it, definetly possible but not really practical IMO.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

They should but ms and Sony probably have clauses that prohibit AMD from doing that in their contracts with AMD.

[@awsan111]

So I can get a laptop that is as fast or even faster for the same price. Why the hell would any one take this instead of an itx or a laptop???

[@altonho1195]

i could literally do a velka 3 build and get a similar amount of performance and a few times cheaper

[@dtdang0309]

just a few?

[@aradhyakumar7383]

last time i was this early AMD was still running hot and intel was still on 14nm

[@eleuinvideos]

intel still basically is on 14nm

[@Lucian_Andries]

NO. AMD is way cooler than Intel, now!

[@aradhyakumar7383]

@@eleuinvideos I know, that was a part of the joke lol

[@Silverturky]

At those prices it's for NO ONE

[@0spidey1]

I don't understand two things. 1) The price and 2) why didn't Intel design the thing so that the CPU and GPU are drawing air in on opposite sides of the case?

[@Charsept]

The pricing is insane to me so I'm not getting one But I'm curious to know if you could put one in your full sized PC case along with your main system?

[@gdi69]

Nope

[@Phanbot01]

This kind of reminds me of the old school Shuttle barebones PC's that you could buy and install the cpu, memory and video card of your choice.

[@gigazerkertv]

There's still some positive points to talk about the NUC 9 Extreme: 1.) the fact that Intel got rid of the pci-e riser cable is a big plus, a 'daughter' board to plug both 'compute unit' and the graphics card with the same orientation it's a great desing. 2.) You can now standardize the format so other manufactures can implement it, even AMD. 3.) I would've love to see this 'technology' generations ago, imagine just replacing the 'compute unit' with a current generation one but keeping the case/videocard/psu. 4.) Propietary desing could be better with proper modifications for upgradeability, like changing the cpu for example, I know it means go back to the 'socket desing' but hey, there are tons of power-saving cpu's out there.

[@troyn14]

thank you , most people had semi positive review/ comments i was instantly like wtf is this bs ? and fuck intel for this coolermaster could have made that fit a itx board and price it at

[@HardwareCanucks]

That's super odd since the prices for these are WAY outta wack. Maybe they would have been cool 3 years ago before the huge influx of great SFF cases but now? Meh.

[@troyn14]

@@HardwareCanucks still,you cant find a decent sff case for anything under $200 and its because theres a lack of good ones its only small company's making them and bieng out of stock basically 24/7 the only one i find here in the eu is a kolink rocket for 180 euros and its just a cheap version of dan a-4 (that cost about 250-300euros here)

[@vinyfiny2019]

This is really only going to be useful to corporations due to ease of install/upgrade and the small size. But at those prices I don't see why a laptop with similar specs wouldn't be a better option? And for the enthusiast market something much more powerful can be built for similar money and same (or less) volume. Intel doesn't understand how prices work per usual.

[@bepbep7418]

Largest corporation in the world uses Dell JS and the ones they use are WAY smaller.

[@szalkerous]

The sole purpose I want this is for an ultracompact streaming rig for offloading 4K encoding/processing/streaming to a dedicated box. I can't find a single thing about this unit that doesn't fit the criteria fully.

[@szalkerous]

(Emphasis on ultracompact)

[@apredator4gb]

Pretty excited for this little thing, and to upgrade from the Hades Canyon.

[@devilmikey00]

If it was cheaper it would be a pretty dope option for a streaming PC. Just put it into a PCIE slot, install your OS/software and you're done. Except it's not cheaper so...

[@extreme123dz]

Nop, its usseles atleats you CPU have more than 16 PCIE apart for the usage of the GC (in consumer, only AMD Zen 2 have 24 PCIE, only the extreme/workstation have 44 - 64 PCIE), good luck to have a good performance.

[@Henningberlin94]

the design is really nice imo and I would like to see it also with AMD CPUs, BUT with way more realistic pricing, like 250€ for 6 cores, upgradable + 100€ motherboard = 350€, lets say maximum 500€

[@LOKO22Bach]

To me the good thing about this approach was just having another option to make small builds, but really love the idea of using mobile processors for tiny desktops.

[@xpeterson]

In my mind it makes so much sense that - in the future, to build your own PC, the components would look something like: a CPU attached to a board an optional GPU attached to a board upgradeable RAM on the CPU board upgradeable VRAM on the GPU board both the CPU and GPU boards connect to a main board that connects to storage and power, and contains all the IO low profile blower style coolers on the CPU and GPU that can be swapped out using a standard mounting method for both

[@markvvelsen]

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[@diego30s]

Eber, that is a FLEX ATX PSU, isn't it? Not an SFX as mentioned. This thing... It's dumb, is what it is. The previous NUCs were nice. Expensive, sure, but nice. REALLY compact and decent power. This new one - compared to a regular case that uses Flex ATX power supplies with ITX motherboards and short GPUs - delivers waaay less perfomance, is SUPER more expensive, and pretty much the same size. The only thing interesting is potentially using that "element card" as a second computer when plugged into a PCIe slot. But that is only provided that they could find a way to incorporate the power reception without adding any more bulk.

[@xellaz]

When my mom's cheap Wal-Mart pc broke, I just easily replaced it with one of my old but upgraded laptops that is 3x more powerful. I just hooked it up with the monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Also just added a more powerful external wifi adapter and external storage drive for back up. Ezpz upgrade! Not only does it run much faster than her old pc, it is also more power efficient. 👍

[@plushfloody]

All they need to do is turn the module backwards so the cpu cooler blows the opposite direction of the graphics card. ITX builders figured this out years ago. (It can be done electronically in the slot without a riser cable.)

[@isbestlizard]

wow that fan on the compute 'element' is tiny! so cute! i bet it sounds amazing when it spins really fast to try to keep the cpu from melting :D

what a waste of money

[@fengyink]

They do have target - small box with independent video card. However, you are right on the point that price is off. Premium system can be built at the price with 1 extra litre.

[@toytulog576]

Zotac have better small desktop with built in GPU :)

[@manuman95]

Can you give me the model? Curious to take a look at it

[@studnts4elac]

Link?

[@arisakathedappergoose4796]

I am not sure why they went with the standard PCI form factor; I'd see this being a better product if the NUC card was mirrored. This would effectively allow for replaceable CPU, different cooling solutions, and even allowing partners to experiment with features of their own NUC cards.

[@ginsengjin]

It's not a bad idea now that technological advancements are kind of slowing down. You can't upgrade the cpu anymore but most likely the next step in cpu upgrade will probably also require a new mobo. The only ridiculous thing is the pricing but it seems to be a pretty good idea to package computing into "cpu" and gpu.

[@OtakuboyT]

You know if someone was to make something like this with older hardware it would really be nice for retro computing. Base system with a shared VGA, PS/2, Serial, Maybe even shared RAM with controller to make the NUCs think they are older RAM NUC cards with options for 8086, 286, 386, 486, P1, P2, P3. Some A/B/C switch on the front to allow you to run one at a time.

[@SirBunghole]

Unless they need discrete GPU performance, corporate is already well served in the USFF area with Dell Micro, HP Mini and Lenovo Tiny series. Desktop UPGRADEABLE CPUs, 2 SODIMM slots, m.2 drives, 3.5" drives, BT, WiFi all ready to go. Huge used market for these as well.

[@unclerubo]

My living room PC is built into a Raijintek Ophion which is ~19L in volume. It is less with the perforated aluminium side panels and, even though compared to 5 or 10 litres it seems like much, a very large part of it is its height, leaving the footprint as not much more than some of the third party enclosures for this thing. And it supports full lenght GPUs, standard ATX PSUs, standard ITX boards and their standard CPUs, memory and low profile coolers. For a lot less money and just a bit more effort.

[@ianstorm45]

I don’t see this move in computing technology for consumers use as a personal PC, I really vision it as a server with up to 5 or 8 of them for redundancy or other Scalable needs. The host chassis can even have a deep learning NVIDIA GPU configured to be shared with them on demand. Maybe for a small business or lab that have less space and want something mobile where they can move at a short notice.

[@aaintveld]

useful reality check, thanks. It's not entirely fair to not mention this NUC's 2x thunderbolt 3 ports, which can be really crucial for some users. Similarly, though less essential, the dual network ports.

[@wilteduk007]

Intels still thinking they have no competition and pricing like an idiot. They'll not sell any.

[@Trusteft]

I like the idea of small gaming PCs. I have no problem with the idea behind the NUC 9, but the implementation is a bit off, at least from what I see in videos. Two main problems. Cooling of the system when you have a dedicated GPU inside. How is that going to work? Pricing.

[@xmodmodifier]

Skull logo it comes with will be the new status of your wallet.

[@ThineHolyBacon]

A SFF, power efficient, and streamlined gaming PC I think has a place, like for a LAN center or cyber cafe, these could actually make a lot of sense. The cost of labor/opportunity cost for someone building a SFF gaming PCs en-masse could possibly offset the huge sticker price along with the power savings. it's a shame this wasn't developed into a vendor agnostic standard or something, because I think it could be an interesting space

[@Cupillac]

I’m more excited for Razer Tomahawk case. Love that design and how it slides out and seems modular at this time

[@perdomot]

Intel wouldn't have tried this if major case makers would start making itx cases like the dan case, ncase and sliger and thus bring down the price. Only affordable similar case I've ever seen is the Cougar QBX for around $55. Why they refuse to do this is mind boggling to me as there is a market.

[@jeremybarber2837]

I really like the NUC9 XEON version rumored. If you drop a Single Slot Quadro in the x16, you could possibly install a dual 10G NIC in the x8 slot. Pretty slick compact workstation for productivity.

[@MisterRorschach90]

Nuc kit 1500-2000 2080ti 1200-1500 Dual 2tb nvme 500-600 64gb of ram 300-400 3500-4500 For that price you can build yourself a 3950x with a 240mm asus aio on an x570 asus itx board, with a 2080ti, 64gb of 3600mhz ram, 4tb of gen4 m.2 drives, 4tb of 860 evo 2.5” drives, a 750w platinum sfx psu, a Thor MJOLNIR case or any other high end usff itx case, and then nice fans and accessories to keep it cool and looking nice like pastes and custom cables. The machine would literally blow the nuc away. But mentioning stuff like it professionals and computer cafes makes a lot of sense. If I had to take care of or replace 100 different machines, I’d much rather switch one single card out that build 100 PCs. They would take forever. And then think about big companies in sky scrapers with thousands of computers. Now over spending on hardware starts to make more sense, because it would cost more to pay someone to build and repair your machines.

[@BenyaminLorit]

I wholeheartedly agree with your points about pricing which is why I've never bothered entertaining these products in the first place because it doesn't seem like it's my thing, but it just seems strange to me how we're complaining about the pricing here in comparison to a PC's when we also readily accept laptops costing just as much as that if not more. IMO, people don't complain about laptop prices enough for it have reached the price tiers it has.

[@Donchikiman]

Well I guess if it were quite a bit cheaper the unit could be used to replace dual systems... that don't particularly need a great GPU for the second system. I mean it is smaller than a microATX board, you wouldn't need a bigger case to fit two boards in the first place, and the cooling would also not be an issue since you'd plop it into a free PCIe slot and be done with it.

[@V0L4T1L3]

The first company to release a case with 2 chanbers to flip the compute element (easy to do with a daughterboard) will clean up.

[@maldar82]

Its an interesting option for prebuilt companies looking for something different but that pricing is crazy. As someone who's been considering an SFF build recently I will say that the comparable cases out there are kinda vaporware. They sell out immediately when they go on sale or they're just unavailable, but I have a feeling barebones units of these would be similar.

[@xOperator]

I used the NUC Skull Canyon as a Plex Server/ESXI host... then eventually needed more VMs and moved up to a micro atx build... the NUC 9 with the option to have a video card seems pretty good alternative to have small form factor that can stack on top of a 4-5 bay nas

[@Hgajani]

I had it and honestly its not that bad, It was worth the money on the i5 edition, popped a 3060 inside and played games fairly i didnt think it was crazy loud either.

[@bradhaines3142]

the slot box isnt a bad idea, just their implementation. and it would be hard to standardize the slot spacing, seeing as that space is all their cooling potential. but to make it this expensive, this big, and still barebones is really stupid. this is effectively DOA, but maybe they'll improve it and make it sanely priced

[@mathpc4047]

The idea is just completly bad. First off, does Intel even know about the ITX market? We have been getting lots of mitx cases as of lately, with great features, and cheaper prices. Why would I want to buy an Intel NUC case that's not that much smaller that a proper case with more customization? Second, they pretty much force you to replace EVERYTHING, if you want to upgrade something. What If I want to just upgrade the cpu? No problem, just pay us another 1000$, for a LAPTOP CPU!? Dude, if they would have made a barebones kit, similar to ASROCK, where you can have DESKTOP CPU, this would have been a completly different story.

[@Intencity69]

They could've easily solved the airflow issue by simply flipping the element board the opposite way. I mean its basically a propitiatory setup anyway so I don't see how they couldn't have flipped the PCI-E to the other side :/

[@screes620]

If i could put desktop CPU's in it, it would be amazing. But soldered on last gen overpriced laptop cpu's? Put an LGA socket on it, and put the socket on the opposite side and it would be a slam dunk.

[@JuanCAraujoS]

I'd take a build using the Dan A4 or the Ghost S1 over that NUC every single time. (And even have some spare change)

[@wadud92]

I still don't understand the point of it being PCIe. What does that accomplish? Because this "compute unit" IS the PC. Easy to swap out sure. But this is consumer tech, not enterprise tech. And how often is something at that price range going to be swapped. Every 5 years maybe? Why would any organisation want to spend a hell of a lot more money than equally performing traditional hardware just to save half an hour every 5 years Edit: Also, arent the previous NUCs smaller than this?

[@MrRourk]

Well it is not like AMD has a lot SFF X570 options. Please release something soon.

[@rockzors]

As an sff enthusiast, I don't see myself going this route anytime soon. I do like the form factor and wish the nuc was a standard for amd and Intel with a socketed CPU.

[@ermacstudios]

The Ghost Canyon chassis comes with a Flex ATX PSU, not an SFX one.

[@omfgbunder2008]

I kind of like this form factor. Let's be honest, most people don't need more than one pcie slot, and traditional computers do take up quite a bit if space. ITX is kind of a pain to assemble, this looks like a decent middle ground. Socketing the CPU would have been nice but its not like laptops and x86 mobile are socketed either, so I guess we can't win them all.

[@sampekofsky5569]

What they should do is make it like that except a full desktop cpu that needs to be combined with watercooling tubes and partner with corsair or ek or thermaltake or something so it's like having a little gpu block except it's a cpu mobo combo and then put the ram on the backside that doesn't have the water cooling so that way it's customizable...

[@HitMarkersAreFun]

it almost seems like Intel didn't have much and needed SOMETHING to show at CES outside of business's buying these, laptops are a much better solution and for those wanting to game then add an eGPU. but this got me to thinking, what if Intel is looking at the game console space and considering making a push for that by showing us easy to upgrade box's? maybe a concept to show MS and sony without actually talking about it publically? just some ideas, but honestly this new NUC is pretty much DOA outside of businesses

[@Vultrus]

Granting that it is overpriced, the components aren't competitive and cooling is a concern, I can see an audience for this if I turn my head sideways. Having just build my first SFF PC in a 12 liter case it can be tough to build a PC in a case this small. If someone wants a really small PC and doesn't want to worry about building a PC from scratch and wiring everything this seems like an interesting compromise between upgradeability and accessibility. Sell some systems with RAM and an M.2 drive pre-installed at a price competitive with other pre-builts but with a promise of easy CPU and GPU upgrading and I can see an audience of people who want a compact, low effort build, but want to upgrade someday.

[@Leo_Vulkan]

If you check internet there is a japanese forum which already hackintoshed it, so a 8c/16th hackintosh for around 1200$ ... not bad imo

[@isbestlizard]

fair play that's a nicely embossed/textured ventilation panel.. hmm.. I guess you'd make a die of the pattern you'd want that's like, a couple mm higher and do an inverse then get a mesh and sort of squish it between them REALLY HARD

[@isbestlizard]

if i was making custom pcs i think i'd probably take the time to get someone to mill the dies for some trippy escheresque lizard motif and get some panels made hmm.. can bismuth be vapor deposited that would look SUPER trippy if you literally got the amount right so when it oxidised back in air the layer you'd put down turned all colours WOW ;3

[@DenofLore]

This was supposed to be done at CES... but we were drunk.

[@ElZamo92]

I think it would be kinda interesting if you could mount it on a PCIe in any PC to have a dual system in a normal sized case. You could game on your main PC and record and stream with the CPU in the compute element. Edit: just saw the price... with that much money you could just build an overpowered steaming PC with desktop grade parts...

[@dr.chimpanz.1324]

If the prices were good this would be amazing for streamers and content creators but alas it's not good pricing.

[@edplat2367]

No one has explained to me yet why would I want a computer inside my computer taking up a pcie slot. What does this achieve. It’s not like you save desk space, the previous nucs are already so small. I don’t even get it.

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

i see these as a future trend. i do not know the why but feels right

[@bradhaines3142]

why? maybe the main board design with the different CPU slots, but not this. this is a bad setup

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

@@bradhaines3142 a few work here and there and they are right there are other options that will work better. but the idea is welcome. intel can flow the circuity around and drop those prices. there options like th zotac box as example. let see. the last nuk headskull was nice but now with gpu

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

I was super excited until I saw the price. You could have "physically separate" servers sharing a single physical box just by dropping them into open PCIe slots just to supply power. But with those prices it'd be cheaper to just build actually separate servers - of course I mean for home and SMB uses, not for enterprise. Streamers could drop in one of those i5 modules to function as a host, but nah, at that price just get a Lenovo or Dell mini-PC if you're tight for space.

[@spamspasm8183]

I have an older skull canyon nuc. It was always a weird little package but fit my use-case perfectly. I use it as a 3d printer slicer and server and it's permanently attached to my print farm. Tried using a raspberry pi and later several pis but just didn't cut it. I mean sure I could probably build a small form factor pc for a lot less but I literally almost no space left even for a small ITX build. That said, the skull canyon cost me $800 total for an i7 6770HQ, 16gb of ram and a 512GB nvme ssd and this was 4 years ago. The ghost canyon is way too expensive and way too big. Doesn't make sense at all with AMD doing what they're doing right now.

[@joaquinrp7784]

Dimitri's sponsor segments are the only ones I enjoy watching. I could watch a 10min compilation just of Dimitri's sponsor segments lmao

[@syverlauritz]

It's not made for gaming at home, that's for sure. I work with interactive installations and the Intel NUCs have served us well. The limiting factor has been the GPU, and perhaps this will solve that issue. But putting a god damn skull on the chassis makes me think Intel has no idea who actually buys these things.

[@blarghmcblarghson1903]

I'm baffled why they went and created a whole new PCB for the integrated RAM and CPU, but didn't bother flipping it so the cooling fan would be pointed away from the back of any potential GPU. Less baffled about the price, it's an Intel product, after all.

[@ethanwang2800]

you are right,why do I using laptop cup into desktop with weak airflow. Also,the size is very similar to itx case.

[@mrpersonguy7286]

Smart concept. Not exactly sure about the airflow and overheating though

[@asdf51501]

A NUC should be something a lot like a Mac Mini, and this is not it.

[@murdock94]

To be honest, I don't see a reason to buy this. I have an InWin Chopin case with a Ryzen 5 2400G, 16GB of DDR4 3200 RAM and a 500GB M.2 drive, and it's completely upgradable as I see fit to upgrade it. So many companies make SFF cases for reasonable prices and you can build systems for $500 to $600 that work so much better with non-mobile processors.

[@gg5216]

It took a Intel project to convince big companiesto make Dan a4 like cases, when are we getting itx cases under 200 dollars from big companies? I mean cos a case is about 7 liter doesn't mean it has to be 200+ dollars right? Please make compact cases at a good price.

[@ValentinoNicko]

either go with ITX-build with compact case or get slim gaming / multimeida laptop instead.

[@kimbalxyz2]

"IT'S ALL JUST A POOR VALUE IN MY OPINION" He is absolutely right ! I would buy something like this, but no way at that price, that is just totally ridiculous !

[@somthingrandom208]

Modularity is great, but regular PCs are already modular. Sure intel makes it a bit of a pain by changing MOBOs every damn gen, but these days if you go with AMD you should be able to upgrade your cpu as a drop in replacement into your existing system for at least a few years before needing to change boards.

[@klepsidratech5557]

It may be expansive but it does have some cool features though, such as wi-fi soda FTW 2:07 "Wi-Fi 6 card to soda memory slots" (check the subtitles)

[@UserOfTheName]

if so much companies are willing to make these nuc9 cases why dont they make some sff itx cases which are way more popular

[@ryanclouse299]

I hope this isn't what they had in mind. I think it would be cool to be able to stack a bunch of these on one daughter board. Though the price doesn't look too promising.

[@peterzhang2752]

Would it be possible this element thing can be used by future gaming consoles?

[@thebeebeescryptomining4422]

Would be interesting to put 8 of these in a server case to make a cluster

[@Ravenousjoe]

On the intel side of pricing, you could get a decent laptop with no GPU and a kick ass gaming rig for the same price. I don't really understand how they can price it that high. Oh intel, never change.

[@shaneneyome]

It would be cool if you could throw the comput element into a standard pc has an expansion card to use it as say a stream pc build in to our gaming rigs??

[@chrisboisvert6032]

you missed the whole market of people that use these for running a vSphere/vSAN/NSX Home Lab

[@pete2097]

Now expand on the element idea, make it an open standard, then motherboard makers could make motherboards based on it. I'd love to see a AM4 motherboard like this, supporting pcie 4.0. There hasn't been a big innovation in the motherboard space since ITX?... Barebone case, buy a element motherboard, buy my own cpu and element cooler. It could be a good ecosystem.... Just yes, not intel only pls.

[@cardsfanbj]

Do you need a laptop without a screen and worse thermals? Then this could be for you!

[@oscarshen6855]

It's not surprising that enthusiatsts will hate it, becasue is not targeting enthusiatsts. But there are many people who are not enthusiatsts and want a compact prebuilt system with "desktop performance", such as my parents and many of the girls. I tried to educate them about hardware and prvent them from bad buy, but they just don't want to know. For them I think it's a appealing product. Yes, itx system can be cheaper and perform better, but building an itx system can be challenging for even experienced PC builder, I guess skill does worth money.

[@DuvJones]

Maybe it is me, but this kind of device would be rather good for e-sports games that need the homogenization of system elements, which this would do quite nicely for tournament setups ..... Till you look at the price.

[@7chip]

Intel NUC is a good choice. If price little less or they support Desktop CPUs, This will change the Mini ITX builds. People like Asrock Desk Mini but it lacks support for GPU ( They have support for GPU in some models but they are MXM type).

[@charleymurray1099]

*sigh* The beauty of this product is not the complete system. The appeal is the compute module on a x16 slot. I want the i5 module to install into my test ITX. I want to see how it will work connected to a real system.