DON'T BUY AN ELECTRIC MOTORBIKE UNTIL YOU WATCH THIS!

[@RoadcraftNottingham]

"Welcome to the Real world.. " (matrix quote) Fellow leccy bike owner here, ex-demo Zero srs for 18 months and 16k miles. I'll also be doing a long term owner's review on my channel soon as there's too many test pilots who give a conclusion after a few days. You're only the second youtuber, next to me that I know of who actually went on to buy one. Getting the Eva ribelle rs next week on trial for the week so will be interesting as I'm not sure about going back to chain drive after my belt. Subbed to you, looking forward to your content. Russ

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Excellent, cheers for the sub, I'll make sure I get on over and sub to your channel as well! I'll be interested to see how your experience has been given that you are further down the line than I am. Funnily enough, it was the chain drive that was part of my decision making process for buying the Eva, I wasn't sure about making the leap to a belt, but I'm prepared to be convinced the other way. I wonder what Ducati will use for their Moto E offering next year. Anyway, cheers for making contact, I'm sure we'll be seeing more of each other!👍

[@RoadcraftNottingham]

@@TheBoltHoleBiker by the way, never got to ride the Energica... Arranged a whole week off and people to work around it to get a message two days before saying it's now not available... Around the same time they announced a demo weekend that weekend so my 20 odd grand won't be going to them.

[@SandJyoutube]

Good choice I will be looking into it! I ordered the metacycle in December. The website said 100 deposit but they billed my card $5000. I cancelled my order and I have been trying to get my money back ever since. Today they sent me an email asking if I would like to reinstate my order. I guess they think I might rather have the bike than nothing. They are wrong. I know how they treat customers if something fails guaranteed you are left in the cold. These people do not care about their customers at all. I'll sue to get my money back. Better than trying to sue if I get a lemon. I may wait just a bit more before looking for another bike

[@swss]

Really good video, well balanced. As a ZERO S owner I can confirm the insurance cost of a electric motorbike is daft. On the positive side my commute is 50 miles per day in heavy traffic through west London, so the ZERO saves me approx £1500 per year vs cost of fuel on a petrol bike. As a commuter, electric makes so much sense - no clutch, gear change just twist and go. Looking forward to seeing more videos of the Energica. Be prepared to get asked "what's range" as the first question everyone asks. Enjoy the bike (I know you will!)

[@NewZeroland]

Duude this is exciting! Thanks for shooting this and I'm excited to see more videos on your Ribelle. Subbed!

[@P6_7R_Nick]

So looking forward to watching your journey with this motorcycle. I agree with everything you say about it, I too think it will be a game changer. I'd never have thought about insurance costs but it makes sense that they are expensive. I can't believe you made that video before actually taking it for a spin. Respect to you and your committment of presenting to journey as experienced. Oh and cheers for the stickers 👍😎

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

You're very welcome! I've ridden it a few times now and I'm still loving it... phew, that's a relief!

[@P6_7R_Nick]

@@TheBoltHoleBiker 😂 I'm sure I could have maybe helped you out if you hadn't of got on with it 😁

[@Banditmanuk]

I'm an MT10 owner and electric bike sceptic. Would break my heart parting with the two bikes that you did. That insurance is super salty. At 58 I've almost convinced myself I will never need to own one, but like to think I'm open minded enough to find out a little more. Looking forward to seeing some practical tests and real world riding.

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

I was an electric sceptic myself for a long time to be honest, but they have improved so much that I thought I'd give them a go and I have to say, although they are a different beast in many ways, they are impressive and just as much fun as ICE bikes, albeit in a slightly different way. I hope I can get this across in my videos, time will tell! Cheers for watching though👍. And yes, I have to admit that watching those two beauties go was a huge wrench and then to be rewarded with the highest insurance premium I have ever even heard of was an unwelcome kick in the teeth🤣🤣🤣. By hey ho, in the past now, on with the riding!

[@gmy33]

I m 55 . And the other way around .. will never buy ice .. couldnt do it anymore .. electric is superior easy power and i will adapt my range expectations for this .. have had a zero fx for 7 years on and offroad .. and just bought the experia ! ... i just love the riding !

[@Banditmanuk]

@@gmy33 I've just been touring Spain on my MT10 and while I'm touring and riding with other ICE bikes I just don't see it working for me.

[@gmy33]

@@Banditmanuk can totally agree .. for me its commuting .. and solo travelling ..

[@ericdraven798]

Hi, I enjoyed watching your video and found it very interesting. I bought my Ribelle last year (also used) and have now driven more than 10,000 km. I really enjoy not having to worry about engine speed or gear any more. I'm also over 50 and, in contrast to my last bike (Yamaha R1), I find riding very relaxed. I had exactly the opposite experience with insurance in Germany. I got very cheap insurance. It's about a third the price of the R1. I look forward to more videos about your Ribelle. Many greetings from Germany. Andrew I'm meeting up with a few friends and we're going on a little weekend tour to Sauerland (a region with a few nice curves not far away).

[@TheGorillaBiker]

That's it beautiful!!!! Yeah that'd hurt trading them in to be fair. My soul would cry. But in fairness, sometimes change is good :) Absolute best of luck with it bud and I hope you have a lot of years of enjoyment out of it :)

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Cheers fella!👍

[@TheGorillaBiker]

@@TheBoltHoleBiker also, meant to say that insurance is an absolute joke.

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

@@TheGorillaBiker Piss takers, to be honest, but there you go, they have you by the short and curlies!🤣

[@Brimstonewolf]

Mate, the *only* policy I could get was 3 grand fully comp and that's after going to special underwriter approval with a 2500 excess. They initially quoted me 8600!

[@thatbikersimon]

Great video, it’s a interesting concept and a brave more to electric. I’m sure it’s everyone’s future and we’ve got to live with it. The kids coming through will probably love it, and the over 40s will just scratch their heads. The only positive for me is that I could possibly ride a trace and not worry about bd limits that get me blacked flagged. Looking for to next update. I still need to ride one some I’m keeping a open mine. 👍

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Yes, the track DB issue is solved! I did have a track day booked in that I was going to take it to, but it has been postponed. I'll be interested to see how it performs. Cheers for watching!👍

[@angelodrosi8470]

My friend called me on tue 18th October 2022 as he wanted my advice on buying one it was the zero-sr-f he said the dealer would sell it to him for £21,500 with 100 miles on the clock he said he was impressed when he took it out for a test ride and he was impressed with the look of it . I told him don't buy it as apprance can be deciving and the bike is deciving its to much money, its not a big market in the uk so insurance will be sky hight I told him to never buy one because these electric motorbikes are fairly new and they will accure a lot of mechanical problems and the charging point are not every where in the uk and the prices from have gone up and they won't hold the charger for long they are not designed to do long distances riding , service charge will be way to high and in order for these electrical motor bikes to take off they need spend at least another 5-10 years making sure they are reliable and drop the price down dramatically. I have a benelli trk 502 adventure turing bike 2021-2022, euro 5, 250 on a full tank two build in catalyst converters build in its not overly loud I have over taken 4 cars at 70 mph with ease I've had it over one year its never let me down. Its very comfortable I've ridern it All round the southeast cost All brand new motorcycle insurance are going to be high eventhogh I've been riding motorcycle for 30 years however I took my No claims bouns of my suzuki bandit and put it on my new bike and the insurance fully comp came to £400 per year I saved an extra £400. This year renaving my bike insurance came to £350. But these new electric motorcycle are a NO NO they are not worth the money nor the risk.

[@stuarthall2523]

Nice one mate. I’ll hang fire for a while, wait and see what the prices are in a year or 2, and your reviews. 👍

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Don't blame you, I'm still licking the wounds!

[@markgr1nyer]

Could be worse on the insurance. 33yr ole IAM rider, commuting with 15k a year kept locked in a garage......£9400 a year, only broker was MCE

[@HallgeirBakken]

Subbed! Looking forward to an update on the Ribelle

[@stuartcmorrison]

Chopping 2 loved IC bikes in for 1 electric? I think that perfectly summarises what you thought of the Energica. On the insurance front, it’s a £25K (?) bike, that probably has more to do with the high premium than the fact that it’s electric. Anyway, looking forward to the updates 👍

[@FlyingFun.]

I was looking at the livewire and insurance was £450 cheapest I found through comparison sites . Might wait a bit lol. Meanwhile I am loving cheap DIY conversion ebikes.

[@peterkendrick5413]

Thanks! Looking forward to how things play out for you. I got the same rude awakening when I insured my Tesla 3. Do you know if Energica can be charged at the Tesla Superchargers? That is the only way I could make this work if I used it for touring in the States. Our non-Tesla charging stations are highly unreliable. Much worse here than in Europe I'm told.

[@thibaultkroonen]

Just bought an Energica EsseEsse9 a couple of weeks ago in the Netherlands, after not owning a bike for around 7 years, and driving a lease car for about the same period. Meaning I haven't got any claim-free years on my insurance policy. If you had a painfull experience about the insurance costs, imagine mine... Also same experience, most of the standard insurers wouldn't even consider insuring an Energica 😞

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Ooo, yes, I bet that stung a bit!🤣. I feel for you!

[@IanTed]

Tis the future but bit pricey like the cars, I’ve ridden one and loved the performance…

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Yes, the sooner they get the prices sensible the more they'll find people will actually buy them! They are a great ride.

[@mickmcgarry9910]

Good to see fella..respect! Big balls selling two absolute gems to purchase the Eva, looking forward to this mate, new ride looks sexy as ....

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Cheers👍. Yes, it was a bit scary chopping both of my lovely naked twins (I like the sound of that!🤣) in on a leap of faith, but I think I've done the right thing so far! We'll see...

[@ICTTRADERMASTER]

i got a zero fx, i like it, but i plan on purchasing the energica next

[@northernboy5427]

Well done mate, first step into the new world🤔 I must correct you though on how much it’s going to cost to change up.think it’s more than penny’s 🤣 Look forward to positive updates👍

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Yes, I think I might still be living in the 1970's!🤣🤣🤣

[@forestmichael3518]

Hea Bolt Hole, just wondering, are you still a GO or did you shut down? Have not seen any posts in many months. Sure hope so soon.

[@irfarf201]

Huh.. that insurance situation is quite strange to me. I though there is a lot of incentive in place in britain to push people toward electric vehicle. I wonder if they did the same with an electric car as well.

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

I think it is because they are relatively new and insurers, being risk averse by nature, just haven't yet worked out how to deal with them. I'm pretty sure the prices will become more sensible fairly quickly, as the bikes become more common, but at the moment it is a bit of a stinger! I haven't ever had an electric car, but I would imagine the situation was the same when they were new.

[@davidsworld5837]

what if you only wanted a bike worth 2 to 4K. like the ones that turn up on ebay. There seem to be a secret that no one will tell you cost for insurance for any type of bike never mind an electric one.

[@johnboy5156]

Let's hope it doesn't go down like the Betamax..

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Yes... that would be bad...🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@abollenswe]

I would kill for that Insurance.. i live in Sweden and own a 890 duke R, and a Kawasaki er6n. I pay £1500/year for just the ktm. One company quoted me £3500/year for the kawasaki a couple years ago 😂

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Wow, that is bonkers! I'll never complain about British insurers ever again!!! Well, maybe a little bit!🤣🤣🤣

[@RRFriction]

Holy smokes I'm in spain I have an 05 CBR RR 600cc my insurance third party is like 112 euros per year 🤣

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

@@RRFriction To be honest, that's what it would probably be over here as well! That's why the level of this premium shocked me so much!🤣

[@corybass4713]

Wholly f….. that is crazy expensive.

[@southboundaustral]

Not in UK. Are you saying over 800 quid per annum, or do you pay quarterly or is this even per month. Thx.

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

For the year. I'm hoping (and I am pretty confident) that it will be considerably less next year. £800 per annum is considered a high insurance cost for motorcycles in the UK, generally motorcycle insurance is relatively cheap here to be honest.

[@Thebosun78]

Crackin vid mate. Looking forward to the follow up.....😀

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Cheers fella, I think you must have been the first to watch it! Looking forward to a catch up at the ABR!👍

[@Thebosun78]

@@TheBoltHoleBiker definitely mate....not long now pal 👍

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

@@Thebosun78 Can't wait, and I'm doing two weeks through the Alps straight from the festival as well!🤣

[@Thebosun78]

Now that's just greedy 🤣🤣 where are you sailing from? Or are you taking the tunnel??

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

@@Thebosun78 Nope, we're sailing, not 100% sure where from yet though!🤣 It's not me doing the route planning, so I am just going wherever I am told! I've got a feeling we're going from Portsmouth. Are you still at sea? I bet it must be torture not being able to ride?

[@TheErsatzMode]

Electric motorcycles are $h1t. However, I would very much like to have a hybrid electric-ICE bike, and would even be happy to have a bike of lesser power if it is a hybrid. My priority is economics, and getting from A to B. I'm interested in practical transportation solutions, not being a weekend warrior with overpriced plastic prone to computer failure, as most motorcyclists in the UK seem to be.

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

I'm with you on the economics and bikes needing to be practical transport, but I do like the electronic creature comforts and mine haven't ever failed yet🤞. As far as electric bikes being $h1t though, try getting on an Energica and winding the throttle right back and you might change your mind about them. They are definitely different to ICE bikes, but still awesome in their own way!👍

[@TheErsatzMode]

@@TheBoltHoleBiker, my opinion on current electric bikes is primarily based on their pathetic ranges, and the length of time required to recharge the batteries. Because of these two things, they are not practical. Also, I am yet to see a decent dual-purpose electric bike (ICE versions are rare enough these days), and I wouldn't consider a road-only bike (they are too vulnerable, and of course not good where the tarmac ends). Further to this is the fire-explosion risk associated with the batteries in EVs. And as to computer failure, my bike was recently off the road for some nine months due to an immobiliser fault that shut the entire ECU down, and with it the entire bike. The lack of manufacturer support was utterly lamentable, and the ECU coding was not available so it couldn't be re-programmed (without spending £thousands on an expert). I want a simple bike, and reliability/reparability should be top priority, but it's not in this age of the weekend warrior. I'd love to have a hybrid ICE-electric dual-purpose bike that has an ECU to maximise efficiency, but also a distributer and reserve carb just in case the ECU, or associated component, fails. Imagine being alone in the middle of a desert 1000-miles from civilisation on any bike currently manufactured. Would you feel any sense of security, or confidence that you could ride home?

[@justdad53]

So what would a new bike like you got cost? I'm not asking what you paid just what would the next guy expect to pay?

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

They retail at about £24,000. I got a deal on mine for the ex-demonstrator, but it was still almost as salty as the Bonneville Flats!🤣

[@justdad53]

@@TheBoltHoleBiker I'm looking forward to your reports on living with this lovely machine. Love to see you visit my Flat Cap Cafe Racer channel again.

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

@@justdad53 Cheers👍 I've got a bit of catching up to do on your channel! I went down a bit of a rabbit hole of watching podcasts at the start of the year, which I've never really done before - who knew all that good stuff was out there?!! But I've popped out the other side now, I'm sure Joe Rogan can live without me!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@MotoGoato]

Gotta be honest ... if that bike were half the price it is I'd have most likely bought one already, would be easy to forgive the possible range woes and currently not really good enough charging network if the bike was much more affordable. That insurance cost is a little salty too ... ouch!! Looks like I'll be waiting a while before my meagre budget will cover all the costs of going leccy. I hope you enjoy it, Sir .... just a shame the bike isn't real noisy to drown out the sound of yer screaming wallet, lol 😉

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Ha, ha, and my wailing and sobbing!🤣🤣🤣

[@gadgetireland6714]

No fucking way that is totally rip off over £800 not a chance

[@gadgetireland6714]

They can stick there electric bikes up there arse

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

I know, it is salty. Bear in mind that is for both bikes though, not just the Energica, and they are both premium bikes. Still pricey though!🤣

[@angelodrosi8470]

It depends on how many years a person has Bern riding a motorcycle and how many years he has no claims I I've been riding 30 years I took my No claims off my suzuki bandit and put it on my benelli trk 502 euro 5 2021-2022 and the insurance a year fully comp came to £400 if I did not do that then it would have cost me £800 per year so I saved £400. I had to put an extra £100 insurance on my suzuki bandit so it was £230 per year I kept the bike bandit for 9 months because I sold it and I did not want to have two motorcycles I love my new adventure bike my insurance now after 1 year is £338 I said on another post it was £350 that was a mistake.

[@q8cornel]

you got a new subscriber

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

You have impeccable taste in youtube channels, I salute you! Email me your address at [e-mail] and I'll send you a sticker... if you want... it isn't compulsory...🤣🤣🤣

[@nagylevi3827]

Stopped watching after you've revealed what you had to give up. Sacrilege!

[@TheBoltHoleBiker]

Ha, ha, I don't blame you, I almost did too... now I only watch through my fingers!🤣🤣🤣