DON'T BUY THIS CAR - 2012-2014 Honda CRV

Well I hate to have to make a video like this, but in the interest of looking out for those of you shopping the used car market and thinking that all Honda's are reliable, good vehicles, I had to warn you! The 4th generation Honda CR-V and 08-12 Honda Accord with the same 2.4 engine suffers from a pretty common fault. The VCT actuator starts to go bad and a loud grind or metal on metal sound emits from the engine on cold starts, usually first thing in the morning. This problem usually starts only on very cold mornings when the vehicle has not run for a while and all the oil has run down out of the top of the motor and then gets worse and worse until it is doing it all the time. In my case, I paid a Honda dealer almost $1,000 dollars to replace the VTC actuator just to have the problem come back a month and 2,000 miles later. Unfortunately this is a common scenario and although Honda has released 2 different service bulletins to dealers concerning the issue, instructing them to replace the actuator with a revised part, it usually fails also. If you want to buy a great CR-V, try to find a lower mileage 2005-2006 CRV. They are the best • 2005 - 2006 Honda CRV ...
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[@Tacoexplorer]

I have to disagree with you. I have a 2012 CRV. Yes I had a bad VTC actuator as well but I replaced it myself (not that difficult) for under $200 using Honda parts. Been over a year and the startup noise is still gone. Saying the entire car is bad for a $200 fix (if you do it yourself) is crazy. 160k miles I have had no other issues with my 2012 CRV, I’m the original owner as well.

[@spritemoney]

How long did it take you to do it yourself?

[@Tacoexplorer]

@@spritemoney less than a day. I worked slow. Also, I didn’t take the camshafts off. There is one or two KZbin videos showing the process without removing the cams. This method is better.

[@wcg66]

This is very much a “throw the baby out with bath water” approach in the video. People have got used to ultra reliable vehicles and complaining about problems with 10 year old cars with 100K+ miles on them. Any one old enough to remember cars from the 80s, they would literally disintegrate before 10 years of driving.

[@Tacoexplorer]

@@wcg66 Cars started to be reliable due to implementation of OBD in cars starting 95-96. It made manufactures make robust engines due to emission systems, fuel injection, etc. best of all it made it easy for your regular joe to repair their own cars.

[@martinr8278]

He nailed it with this video. Honda has gone downhill. Some have problems maybe others don’t staying away from Honda

[@ALEX-xd7ko]

Guess you dont know about the 35$ sping kit that takes maybe 45muns to install that fixs this.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

I do know about it now. Thanks

[@curts6525]

@@JackofAllMasterofNone where do you get this $35 spring kit?

[@universaltrust2921]

We replaced the complete transmission at 134,000 miles in November 2019. Not sure if that included the VCT Actuator. Now at 265,000 it Definitely Still Makes That Noise and Definitely Burns Oil. We bought it from CarMax in November 2016 with 40,000. Any class action suit we’re in!

[@MrTerrorMG]

As of January 2022, "A Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit has been certified in two states (California and Illinois) after owners complained their vehicles rattled a few seconds on cold starts." "According to the plaintiffs, Honda injured them by failing to tell them about defective variable valve timing control (VTC) actuator 14310-R44-A01 in these models."

[@TheMbuchmiller]

Where can we get more info on this? I’m in California and this is an issue I’m having

[@shellysutherland8514]

I just paid Honda $1900.00 . getting this done. VTC Actuator.🥴🥴

[@universaltrust2921]

C’monnn Virginia!!!!

[@khalilgrissett981]

Cmonn ohio

[@chuckger1625]

any info on getting in on the ILL. suit? what is the warranty on the VTC any way?

[@jonathanwilliamson1998]

I have the '14 CRV and it's been one of the best cars I've ever owned. Honestly, I mean if someone had one like mine and it ran the exact same way they'd be crazy to complain about it. Mine has 325,684 mi and going strong. It's made "The Noise" a little bit before 200k mi. I'd be happy with it for a daily driver car to beat up on.

[@marcalexander6450]

How many miles did it have when you bought it?

[@BbyCharly]

I own a 14 CRV I don’t have any complaints about it. I’m happy with my car. 👍🏻

[@Powerstroke98]

Wow, our ‘14 CRV has just over 80k on it, and is an excellent vehicle indeed!

[@FearGod333_]

I agree with you. 😊

[@anthonyarruda1145]

I have a 2015 CRV and over 140k on it alls I've had to do is replace the starter so far.

[@williamspear7803]

240,000 miles on my 2013 Honda CRV notice this noise at 178,000 never replaced it and it still running strong besides little noise wen cold start...hit you guys up at 500,000 mile the 2013 crv model is bullet proof trust me I haven't had any problem with this car but minor stuff but it jus a Lil early morning rattle snake.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Glad to hear you are having good luck with your CRV.

[@Susan70003]

Did you change oil more often or any other maintenance tips to share ?

[@williamspear7803]

Yes I changed my oil 🛢 religiously ever 3000 mile fully synthetic and also I change my transmission fluid every 4th oil change yes I do all the services on my crv so it a Lil reasonable and I kno it done right but yes changed that oil oil oil!!!

[@Susan70003]

@@williamspear7803 Thank you!

[@njsongwriter]

@@williamspear7803 Wow. Every 3,000 miles. I wonder if it would have been no different with every 5,000 miles? Us there a particular brand you used?

[@geraldfinley6863]

I have a 2014 Honda CRV and the VTC actuator needed to be replaced at 41k. I did it myself using a Non OEM part looking for a more quality part. The procedure isn’t easy and you have to be careful not to slip the timing. I currently have 62 k on my Honda with no VTC actuator problems. Buy the way, some Toyotas and Fords have the same problems.

[@diegoa137]

Have you seen the Chrisfix video on changing the vtc actuator? I watched it and am thinking of doing it myself to my mom's car

[@fordgalaxie3726]

The 2014 CR-V 1.6 i-DTEC Diesel (built in UK) was the best car I ever had. Solid, economical, reliable, brilliantly engineered. I put 232,000 km on it without any issues other than wear and tear. This car turned me into a HONDA fanboy (now in a European HR-V Hybrid). I have owned many cars from Toyota, Mitsubishi, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Opel, Citroen, Peugeot, Buick... Nothing comes close to the quality of a HONDA, that is my experience.

[@nwo6541]

No honda diesels in north america

[@Goodnightandgoodluck-c7m]

totally different engine! do you actually hear what he has to say ?

[@itsallrobbish]

Brilliant. I have a 2017 Civic with this engine (tweaked slightly differently I imagine) and fully intend to get a 2014 or so CRV. Really looking forward to getting it.

[@jskok3280]

Agree!

[@LL-xk5xh]

I have exactly this car, 1.6 idtec 160 biturbo. I have 371000km currently. I found this video because I need to change my cooling radiator, not a big problem. I just pass by here and say this car is reliable. Only one problem I had was P049b defect, Honda dealer said DPF was out of order, but it was false. This code comes because soot blocks the EGR B filter mounted just after the DPF. It has to be replaced and the soot comes not because of the DPF but because of defective injectors. Many cars with EGR B (permits not to use this bad ADBlue) have the same issue. Test your injectors. CRV is a very reliable and comfortable car.

[@jk8839]

I have to respectfully disagree with you. Those CRVs are the final years with 2.4 before heading to 1.5 turbo and CVT. Sure that bothered heck out and sure this car burns oils but this is probably something you can compare to 5th gen 4Runner from overall reliability perspective. You just change the oil every 3-5k miles and this CRV will last forever. This is truly the last most reliable engines CRV has to offer.

[@kentaotsuki1331]

I have a 2014 Crv Ex with the VTC actuator defect as well. I had it replaced at Honda, but it came back. I stopped caring about it. 185,000 miles later it still runs great. I regularly drive it 500 miles to school from my parents house. It starts every time, and none of my passengers comment on it.

[@rmo4222]

Change oil every 6 months and yiu get another 200K out of it.

[@RoaringOrange]

Same. Sent to service. Came back with the same rattle

[@stevenyammine2908]

i have a 2012 crv with 140k miles and never getting mechanical problems it seems good to me

[@masonowen7219]

My wife purchased this car before we met with 90,xxx miles. 6 months into us dating I learned it was using 1 pint of oil every 1,000 miles and the entire time it had that horrible rattle. Thank goodness she bought it before we met and she just happened to purchase a bumper to bumper warranty so they replaced this vct actuator, timing chain tensioners, timing chain, “new updated pistons and rings,” front half shaft, and some other suspension part. I have always been a ford guy and have never had issues like this so not the best first impression of Honda. Especially with their reputation they are supposed to have. Now at 140,000 miles we need to replaced shocks and struts. Normal stuff but next car we buy I believe we are going to go back and find the lowest mile 2005 or 2006 crv.

[@grzegorzol9446]

Just add sea foam 4 oz to the engine and make 100 miles max 300 miles before the next oil change. i did, and it works my honda crv has 116 k miles and evry 1 k miles take 1 quter oil now after first time i added and changed oil i did 1800 miles no problem take about 1/3 quter.I will doit again after 3 k miles

[@tipahtertipulagi]

Been using CRV 2013, 1st owner, no issues at all. It's a little underpowered if compared to my other cars, but it's not a big issue.

[@jimparsons61]

Me too I have a twenty thirteen and I have no problems with the theater

[@Susan70003]

@@jimparsons61 What gas mileage are you getting on yours? I have the same car. What engine air filter do you put in?

[@Susan70003]

yes My daughters 2018 crv has more get up and go. What is your gas mileage? I don't get very much air out of my driver's side dash heater air vent. I guess I have to look at that.

[@reneaguilar5586]

As a honda mechanic I have found out that the timing chain tensioner goes bad because they changed the position of the sprocket (vvt sprocket is on left side causing a lots of wear on the tensioner), but is an easy replacement.

[@mattlab8935]

Agreed. This happened to me on my 2016. The belt tension was bad . Replaced it and never heard this rattle noise again

[@Susan70003]

I had to replace my belt and tensioner on a 2013. I asked Honda to help but they wouldn't. I didn't do it myself. Expensive. I could have left it but it was noisy.

[@Susan70003]

What has your gas mileage been? Which engine air filter to you put in?

[@AmritBanks]

The rattle occurs because the locking pin is not held in place due to weak spring tension on startup. Noise can be fixed by replacing the spring only if your issue is truly the VTC. I believe that the rattle returns even when the part is replaced due to the spring tension getting weaker. YMMV.

[@carolynlasher8896]

That's what I read also. The noise comes back.

[@eb80871]

Any way we can add a stiffer spring?

[@daveengstrom9250]

How far does one have to dig into the engine to fix this spring?

[@AmritBanks]

@@daveengstrom9250 Not very far, valve cover comes off, 5 torx bolts on the cover of the VTC actuator and thats all - the spring can be removed and replaced. Hardest part is removing those torx bolts.

[@wcg66]

Our CR-V has had this noise since we bought it used. I never thought much of it since I originally thought that t was the direct injection system or similar. We’ve had the vehicle since 2018 with absolutely no issues other than noise on startup. I’m not dismissing the issue but the vehicle has been excellent in the four years we’ve had it. Even in your case, the only symptom you have is noise. It’s hardly left you stranded.

[@Susan70003]

Does your crv have the serpentine belt and not the drive chain. I had a dry pulley. that may be your noise. A dry pulley shouldn't have happened either. I would report it to Honda America at their 900 number. I had low miles. 75,500 and just had 3 parts replaced. now it is quiet under the hood. Please share your experience.

[@lafferty007]

Just upgraded to a 2014 crv ex from my 2004 crv which has been great up to 175k miles with no issues. The 2014 doesn't have the vct rattle... yet... but so far I really like it. I'm a mechanic and have seen a few stretched chains/ vct actuator problems on these gen 4s but still didn't deter me from buying one. Mine has 67k on it now so hopefully I have some time before I see this issue. Great informative video btw

[@ricardocenteno375]

Just go with a original Honda chain once it streches I replaced mine at 195,000 with an aftermarket and it broke it now at 216,000 I redid it with an original Honda everything

[@kerrykerry5778]

I had mine fail at 80K miles. I'm at 150K miles and get a slight rattle at startup now. Two points might interest you as a mechanic. First, I asked the head mechanic at the dealer about the possibility of any good will warranty? He told me that Honda won't tell you this, but they stopped offering any help with repairs as the repair is fairly complex, and you need to take your time and follow the procedure EXACTLY as you will have a repeated failure, if you just slam the new parts in. He claimed Honda grew tired of paying for the same good will repair repeatedly, since their techs would not do the work correctly. Second, I had all of my repairs done by a really talented independent tech. who took his time and did it right. I have 70K and three years since the repair, and it looks another chain and actuator will be required in the next year or two. I agree with the conclusions of Jack of all trades, there is a design flaw here that can't be corrected with any revised part swaps, or better maintenance.

[@I_QUIT25667]

I don’t know if this helps but… I bought a 2012 in September and this has happened to me on cold starts. Researched it and seen everything everyone else has. What has been working for me is “half starting” the car (for lack of a better term). Basically, turning the key like I’m starting the car without letting the car turn over and completely starting. I’ll do this 2-4 times (depending how cold it is) and then fully start the vehicle and no rattle whatsoever when I do this. My theory (which may not be valid because I’m no mechanic just a general interest in cars) is this will at least initiate the oil pump and getting some oil to the actuator. Again, not sure if that’s a real world solution but it has worked for me every morning cold start for the past two weeks. The wether here in the mornings are usually high teens and low to mid twenties for the past couple weeks and no issue. Before I did this it would happen every single morning like clockwork. Any feedback would be awesome!! Good luck everyone

[@njsongwriter]

My granddaughter's 2014 consumes oil and has the VTC rattle at start up with 162,000 miles. I had Hondas most of my life. I'm 76. Now I'm done with them and driving a Toyota.

[@d.r.q.2032]

@@kerrykerry5778 so do you suggest not buying one of these? I'm looking at buying a used 2014 CRV-EX right now with 101K but now reconsidering....

[@michaelbertko7055]

I have a 2010 civ and the rattle just started. came across this video looking into it. I started adding 20% Lucas to the oil and no more rattle. Suggested by my 80 year old mechanic.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

That just thickens the oil. Won't fix it. You are just masking the issue but if it buys you some time that's great

[@andee_james]

Yes, the VTC actuator on my 2012 was changed at like 80K miles, the noise is coming back around 105K miles now so it does not fix the issue. Nothing wrong with the engine once it warms up but definitely annoying in the morning from a cold start. The AC compressor broke on as well, a common issue too on these engines. Other than that, been running fine still would have a Honda over any American product in my opinion.

[@paysonbennett4880]

yeah my 2013 does this and when we went go get it fixed they said there was no point bc it would come back which it did but i have had my car for years and it’s been doing that for years and my car still runs and everything perfectly fine

[@explorer2945]

I know that our generation of crv’s suffer from tranny shuddering, which I bought my 2013 used with 40k miles and I currently have 64k rn after a year and some change, I get shuddering once in a while but I know it is a common thing

[@Susan70003]

@@explorer2945 change the trans oil every 30,000. Somethings shedding grit upline of trans. Watch some more videos. You'll find the video.

[@michaelpalm2210]

@@explorer2945 Get a transmission fluid flush every 30-40 K miles and it will run good for a year or two, then you have to repeat. it is cheaper than a new torque converter by thousands of. dollars. I've done this many times. It works. make sure your mechanic uses Honda Trans fluid.

[@kerrykerry5778]

@@Susan70003 I do the trans. service on my 2014 CRV every 15K miles. It cost about $30 for three quarts of Honda Oem Fluid, and it's a job that is faster and easier than changing the oil. I had a 2013 and now a 2014 with a total of close to 400K miles on them. The transmissions have been trouble free. I have had a collection of vehicles in the last 20-25 years that I have obsessively over-maintained, with everything from brake fluid flushes, to exceeding the "severe duty" maintenance schedule in every aspect. I have found that it really makes them last a hell of a lot longer, and with a lot fewer repairs.

[@bysykler4959]

Another case of pole vaulting over mouse poop. Buy the CRV. You’ll love it. If you find a perfect car with no issues, let me know.

[@jaygreen1313]

I have owned 4 CR-Vs. ‘99 that I had 144K miles before it was totaled from a rear end crash. No issues. ‘07 that I sold to a friend at 150K and now has 210K. No major issues. Now have ‘13 with 120K and a ‘14 with 60K. Only problem was the a/c that the compressor had to be replaced. I live in Fl and it’s run nearly every day of the year. When I decide to sell my ‘13 at 150-160K I will be purchasing another CR-V.

[@Susan70003]

My daughter likes her 2018. Her inlaws just bought a crv because they like my daughters. I bought her 2013 crv when she bought the 2018. Her 2018 has more pickup.

[@johnathanwoodley5005]

I have a 2014 Honda crv EX-L with 64,000 mile with no issues at all runs like a champ

[@eeb8267]

60k and happens super frequently. Occasionally makes it while driving. Can’t wait to get out from under this junk.

[@johnathanwoodley5005]

@@eeb8267 there's nothing wrong if you take care of the car doing oil changes

[@eeb8267]

@@johnathanwoodley5005 oil changes done every 5k

[@johnathanwoodley5005]

@@eeb8267 you still having the same problem

[@ricardocenteno375]

All they need to do is make a heavy duty plunger and spring inside that vtc actuarial gear with time it weakens the spring so the plunger inside that gear won’t hold the oil pressure

[@carbideblue]

On the bright side: I found a KZbinr who says one can proactively periodically replace the lock spring in the VVT actuator without removing the actuator or timing chain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIuno2SafZljgNk I haven't tried it but it seems to be a promising concept and the video has good reviews. Otherwise, I have a 2012 CR-V. You really have to replace a rattling VVT actuator right away or your timing chain will *quickly* be elongated beyond normal limits. It's easy to underestimate how quickly a rattling VVT actuator can destroy a timing chain. I'm about to replace the timing chain for the second time because the new (updated part number!) VVT actuator was not replaced soon enough after the rattling returned. This time, I have the dreaded code P0341, and when the crank is at TDC the camshaft marks are three teeth off from each other! It was only a matter of time until piston slap would have occurred... which is exactly what happened to an acquaintance's 2012 CR-V when she ignored her cold start rattling issue. The timing cover is a real inconvenience to deal with when the engine is in the car, if you are doing the repair yourself. If you are paying for the repair, replacing the timing chain along with the actuator will greatly increase your repair bill. Another engineering flaw: The closure rate in the exhaust valves is too rapid and that also sends shockwaves into the timing chain, even when the engine is operating normally. (Sometimes the exhaust cam lobes wear out prematurely.) In other words, the timing chain is at risk even without the VVT actuator rattling issue. None of the racing grade aftermarket timing chain tensioners, which claim to alleviate the premature wear brought about by the exhaust cam lobe design issue, are compatible with K24Z engines.

[@d.r.q.2032]

What a pain!!! I was looking to buy a 2014 but now reconsidering :(

[@hankrobb6639]

At 45000 miles, our driver's side heater on our 2013 CRV stopped putting out heat while driving to Minnesota in February several years ago. Our son was able to get us in to a Honda dealer when we arrived that evening in St. Paul. The tech writer told us that there was a service bulletin on this. Evidently slag from the heater core casting process causes this. We had to rent a car from the Honda dealer so we could attend our grandson's music performance that evening. The next morning, we picked up our Honda after a $800 "flush"..I agree, Honda is no more the reliable manufacturer. We still have it, but only drive as a back up to our Mazda CX5..Honda lost a previous loyal customer after owning 11 Hondas...no more.

[@crackermac5410]

Wish I had seen this video before I bought my 2014 CRV. I even googled common problems before I bought it and it didn't come up.

[@Susan70003]

I've read a lot of 2014 crv owners like their cars. Higher miles on them and going good. Keep up the maintenance on them. American made cars are worse. Watch a few more gen 4 videos and read viewers comments. Owners share their tips.

[@d.r.q.2032]

Are you having issues?

[@michellepalmaasencio7411]

Me too 😘

[@andrewmcwatt7025]

Best car I have ever had. Had it since new, now 10 years old, 150000 miles on the clock without any issues.

[@Rroach876]

Had the same issue with my 2014 CR-V. Changed it January, only heard it twice in last month and that was it. It's a problem that just won't go away. Just have to use a good brand tensioner and it will last a little longer but it will come back eventually.

[@Dorightby]

Is it hard to replace what brand tensioner did you use?

[@flix730]

I found that when below 45 degrees if I bump the starter a couple of times before starting there’s no rattle. Maybe the oil pump gets enough oil to the actuator to function correctly.

[@patrickthompson8913]

That's exactly what I do. Might get one or two rattles though the winter.

[@husain6431]

What does it meant to bump the starter?

[@patrickthompson8913]

@@husain6431 let the motor turn over with out starting. It don't take very long maybe a second or 2. After that crank and start like normal.

[@d.r.q.2032]

@@patrickthompson8913 and how does one "let the motor turn over without starting?" Is this something you can do from the driver's seat? Just turn the ignition on without starting it?

[@patrickthompson8913]

@@d.r.q.2032 it normally take a few seconds of the motor cranking to get it to start. I turn the key and maybe a second or 2 turn it back before it starts. Then just crank to start like normal. It is more wear and tear on the starter and somewhat the battery but it does keep it from rattling.

[@00lexuses300]

I bought my 14 in 2017.. haven’t had any issues with it except for the VTC. Our Honda dealer has been refusing to fix the VTC ever since we got it in 2017. Otherwise besides that it hasn’t had a single issue. Gave the car to my parents and I use their old 2008 crv currently.

[@Susan70003]

Call Honda directly. Bypass dealer. See what Honda will negotiate with you.

[@harrythehandyman]

8:45 The old saying - Ford, fix or repair daily LOL. My CR-V had VTC replaced under warranty. I went to the dealer with a printed copy of the exact service bulletin, where I bought the car brand new (that might help a bit). The service guy was nice to let mine sit for several days and finally he was able to replicate the VTC noise in a cold morning. Then, VTC was replace under warranty. I have that VTC noise came back just once on a cold winter morning in the past couple years.

[@cheonglin1019]

I had the same rattling noises on cold start 2012 crv after 200,000 miles. I replaced the vtc actuator,timing chain,tensioner and guides. Currently, 240,000 miles still running good. One issue which could not fixed , vibration on drive at stop lights. Noticed engine rpm is below 600 rpm. If I turned on headlights and AC, vibration gone. Many owners have the issue which Honda can't fixed it. Would be glad to know if anyone has fixed. For your info, ChrisFix had a youtube video to replace vtc actuator.

[@yd2012]

try to clean the Throttle Body

[@Dorightby]

Front motor mount is shot

[@kerrykerry5778]

@@Dorightby Yes indeed. Been super common on front wheel drive vehicles for half a century. When you are at the light, put the car in neutral and the vibration is gone. The cause is the worn out mount, which is no longer dampening the vibration caused by you holding the transmission back with the brakes. It's in drive and attempting to drive forward, you are just preventing forward motion. If the mounts are new, they do a great job of masking this virbration and noise. Once they are heading for decade old, and get a ton of miles, they no longer mask the harshness and vibration.

[@robk5745]

Do a replacement of the transmission mounts, cheap and relatively easy

[@robertschwartzman195]

I bought a Honda 2013 crv ex-l. 2.2 L engine and have a transmission problem. They did the transmission changed the oil and filter and the problem stopped for a few months and started up doing it being sluggish and mine was a certified used Honda with the warrantee from Honda here in New Rochelle,NY. I've have been having problems with car. My rear camera went twice. I feel the car is a lemon. I purchased the car in 2015. I had a 1985 Honsa 5 speed a d was a good car. Was so simple to fix.car was a 2 door hatch and was a decent car and free. My 2o13 is bad and shouldn't had problems from the start. My left rear caliper locked up and took out the rotor. I replaced with slotted rear rotors and ceramic pads. I wish I bought a Subaru and the dealership only 15 miles away not the 120 miles each way.. I had to het them to get me the books for the car. At first they weren't going to give me the owner Manuel and told them I wanted my money back almost $28K they got me the owners manuel. Now I wished I sued them for selling me a dud.

[@EscravaAnastacia]

Wow... i had to argue my dealership for days to get them to even acknowledge the issue then finally fix it under warranty. Thank you for making this video!!

[@cookmaster3626]

what year was your CRV and when did you get it fixed for free. Mine in 2014. I had this problem all along from the first year onwards. wondering if they would fix mine now. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!

[@aliseyedi16]

@@cookmaster3626 did you get any info on this? I have the same problem.

[@hobbyholly]

have owned our 2013 CRV for about 5 years. bought used with around 70K. It has always made this noise on cold starts and I had researched it and came to learn it was a known issue on this model with no fix. So, we pretty much ignore it. It does sound concerning though. Like you I've seen arguments both ways, it can cause damage, or it won't cause damage. Appreciated your video explaining the new part didn't solve the issue as I've been on the fence because it's a costly repair for non mechanically inclined people.

[@LegolasSenpai]

It's 2024 and I still drive a 2012 Honda CR-V EX-L. Zero issues. All I've done is regular maintenance (oil, breaks, fluids) nothing more. Makes me want to keep it until it's completely worned out. New models come with CVT tranny or garbage turbos.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Yeah definitely better than the 1.5 turbo

[@rmo4222]

Change you’re maximum 5000 miles or every 12 months regardless of miles and probably won’t have this problem. My 12 accord 2.4 has 68K with ZERO problems. Plus it get 35 MPG on road and 25 around town. Another thing if you have oil changed by dealer or anywhere else don’t mean they are doing right or good job? Alway follow up before you drive way. Best to do it yourself if you have the skills. Who drive’s around low on oil? Idiots that’s who. Then wonder why they have problems.

[@chownzi2461]

My 2011 went 315k km then I changed the vtc actuator and timing chain and tensioner... It's been good since the timing cover had a bit of a leak and I ran it a bit low on oil and the vtc actutor went so when I did it I did the timing chain and VTC actuator but since then the car has been running perfectly 315k km is like 200k miles I'm pretty happy with it

[@georgepappas4628]

I'm in Australia, and we have a 2015 CRV that's ultra reliable. The most important thing is to have they serviced every 10,000kms and they will be bulletproof.

[@susans813]

2012 crv....had the actuator replaced late fall 2021 at Saratoga Honda ...my cost of course....driven around 3k miles and it just started doing it again mid March 2022...erh! Thanks for the video and glad to know it is not just my hunk of junk that has the problem

[@Teporame]

I have also a 2012, replaced the VTC Actuator like 60k miles ago, still working fine.

[@thalleshoward3962]

Most of Honda problem is after the 2011 models the parts are made here in the US by a different supplier. Honda used to get there parts from Japan but after the earthquake it was cheaper to get their parts here. They do stress quality but the parts are shady.

[@Susan70003]

So order parts from Japan?

[@scottpeters1142]

My girlfriend just bought a 2014 2 weeks ago. 103k base model. I was looking up videos on how to add fog lights to it and stumble across this one. She had been complaining about this noise with occasional cold starts, but I was thinking it was a hung up starter. Didn't tear into it to figure it out but now I have my answer. Luckily she got a 3-year extended warranty on it from the dealer. Now I just have to fight them on it I'm sure

[@Susan70003]

Mine had noise on cold start up too. If you have a serpentine belt, not the chain, you may have a dry pulley. Cost me 500.00 to get mine repaired/replaced 3 parts and labor. The car sounds so much better. Not as expensive as a drive chain repair but still should not have happened. I only have 75,500 miles. Let us know how it goes for you. I am still going to complain to Honda about this.

[@timothybecke983]

Thanks for your video on this issue! Very well done. Sidebar: What kind of sound microphone system did you use? I’d like to use the same thing because your sound comes though very clear and little background noise. Thanks! Tim

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Just the built in microphone on the GoPro hero 7

[@FearGod333_]

Honda CRv are the best cars on the market. 100 % recommended.

[@captain3186]

Our 2014 does it. We just bought it and it has 85k on it. It's super annoying. That said, after researching the issue, I'm not convinced it's damaging the timing components. I know someone with the identical car as ours with 180k on it and it rattles and she said it always has. She ignores it and just keeps up on maintenance and checks her oil. I look at it like this. How many of these engines has Honda sold? How often do you hear about them blowing up? Lot's of complaints about the rattle yes but how often do we hear of total failure? I don't know. We bought an extended warranty on ours when we bought it so if it does crap out it's covered anyway. I do agree though, Honda should step up and own this.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Total failure is unlikely but more common is that the timing chain starts to stretch from the extra tension that this causes and eventually it stretches out of tolerance and you start having timing problems, check engine light, etc. Then a full timing chain, guides, tensioner and VCT is required to the tune of almost $2,000. It's an engineering flaw that they refuse to own.

[@bassinnyang9494]

@@TheUpholsteryLibrary how many miles did your car have during these instances?

[@sunilkarjinni4168]

I own since 2012 and have clocked 210,000km. No regrets. Vehicle is fantastic

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

What engine? This is specific to the 2.4

[@sunilkarjinni4168]

It's 2.4 litre engine

[@Susan70003]

@@JackofAllMasterofNone It was only on certain vin numbers tho. I called Honda to make sure mine wasn't on it.

[@hartmancdh]

I have a 2014 Honda CRV And no problem so far.

[@symlexbrn5396]

This is the problem when manufacturers don't want to keep things simple, now trying to get a good 2005 CRV is difficult coz most of them are now batterd and you're buying another problem

[@MarvinDouglas-j7h]

Part of the problem is using 0 -20 oil! I've always used 5W-20 Castrol Edge oil after we got 60,000 miles on the engine! That little added thickness of oil at start ups has protected the engine and not had this issue! 200,000 + miles and still going strong! You might notice a slight decrease on gas milage because the oil is slightly heavier but well worth it as the engine gets older! Royal Purple socks! I've owned 2 Napa Auto Parts stores for 48 years and Valvoline and Castrol are the only 2 oils that protect your engine!

[@sameold5050]

Owning a couple of auto parts stores doesn't make you a technician. Stating that Valvoline & Castrol are the only two oils that protect your engine is nonsense.

[@AndrewAudman]

Seriously? This seems like a fairly minor problem that doesn't seem to justify saying don't buy this car because of it.

[@michaelpalm2210]

2012-2014 CRV also has serious issues with ac compressors and transmissions. The torque converters fail prematurely and there is a recall this year 2022 for the park -interlock on CRv and other Honda vehicles

[@jamieevans5515]

I have a friend who has a 2014 CRV with 112,000 miles and broke down on her. Dealership is saying engine is bad . Could this problem possibly have caused it? She's thinking about having a used engine installed but now that I seen this I don't know if she should. Sounds like same thing could happen all over again . Thanks for the video I hadn't seen this anywhere else.

[@rmo4222]

Probably didn’t change the oil enough, if you wait for the idiot light it’s too late

[@dogflip3515]

My 2014 Honda cry has no F****** problems it works fine. I have over 180000 miles on mine and it works fine.

[@Susan70003]

What engine is in it? Do you change your oil more often? Do you have the drive chain or the serpentine belt?

[@merleoverholser7574]

@@Susan70003 Susan, I think you are a little confused. All the CRV 2012-2014 2.4 engines have both an external serpentine fabric belt and the internal timing chain.

[@oldtanker1]

Have the same problem with my 2014 CR-V. That exact noise intermittently with high oil usage. So glad you made this video. Now I know the rest of the. story. BTW 80K miles on it.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

That's low mileage to be having oil consumption issues.

[@oldtanker1]

@@JackofAllMasterofNone I know, it starts me thinking about getting another car before things really go down hill.

[@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv]

Gen 2 Honda CRV is the best generation. I’m seeing some of them 2002, 2003 models with 500k miles with only regular maintenance and still in great condition.

[@accobra4272]

The Toyota 3.5 V6 and the piston rings on the 2.4 2.5 engines proves your statement about Toyota wrong. The V6 has the exact same problem....

[@theaajourney9872]

Yeah Toyota is no saint, dashboard issues , accelerator recall, faulty AC systems which lead to mold/mildew smell, defective fuel pump recall and the absolute worse has to be the rubber oil cooler lines which will kill your engine if the hose rips. All brands can be problematic, some less than others. Best to get the model on the tail end of the generation.

[@mediaguy4037]

The low IQ general public worships Toyota when they are no better then any other car. Isn’t it funny how Toyota said oil burning isn’t a big issue. Oh it definetly is…..and not something I would buy….

[@mildredacosta9063]

Thank you for this valuable inf. My 2014 crv Honda have that noise, they told me is natural sound of the engine. Now i know. Is hard to find a honest knowledgeable mechanic.

[@mr.3231]

If u listen to me just do it yourself it’s not that hard and it’ll be fine the dealers don’t care just do it not a big deal you can do it

[@rowdyrod]

I'll agree to disagree. My 2012 CRV had this issue too. I bought it certified pre-owned with about 35k miles. It did develop the rattle after 40k miles, I don't remember the specific miles. Honda covered it under warranty and it hasn't showed up since, it now has 130K miles. Very slick of Honda to issue a TSB and not a recall. If this issue can damage the engine long term, it should be a recall. My CRV also developed a shudder/vibration around 45k miles that was felt throughout the whole vehicle. It happened when shifting between 2nd and 3rd gear and between 25-35 MPH. It ended up needing the torque converter to be replaced, also luckily under warranty. If I had to pay for these repairs out of pocket I would have been royally pissed. I got lucky. Other than these issues and wear and tear items, I haven't had to replace or repair any other super expensive parts. So yes, I feel that these are engineering issues that shouldn't happen to a Honda vehicle because of their reliability reputation. It could be worse, just look at Hyundai with their 2.4L theta engines, sheesh what s-show. Thanks for the video!

[@arrogantott]

i have a 2013 CRV that has that exact same issue with shifting gears! thank you for this comment lol now i know what it is!!

[@rowdyrod]

@@arrogantott my friend was able to fix this issue in his 2013 crv with a transmission fluid change, this is the cheapest option to go with first. He used Honda transmission fluid.

[@Whats_good]

Had the same problem, changed the transmission fluid

[@daveengstrom9250]

My car has done this for years. I never knew what it was. Just the first time of the day just in cold weather.

[@Samshyam123]

Guys, my CRVs is not giving comfortable ride. Struts not leaking but im feeling every small bumbs on road .. should i change my structs? Its 10 years old now.

[@julissaportillo-euceda3793]

I too, have a 2013 Honda CR-V. It does the same thing.. it’s an and embarrassing. Honda really needs to concede and either reimburse or like you said, but back the cars.

[@Npcguy21]

I have a 2014, 61K miles, its been doing this for a good 20K+ miles now, Noise present even during summer temps. Dealer first denied noticing sound, I went back with research and the TSB, so they acknowledged. But advise was to leave it as is because even after replacing, the issue comes back, as is demonstrated in this video. People turn around and look like whats wrong with your car ? Thats embarrassing!

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Yep

[@brucenicol1279]

I had the same noise from my 2012 CR-V. I replaced VTC myself at 121K but went to Rock Auto for a non-OEM (I was told the OEM replacement would have the same problem in time). I have 165K on it - quiet even in -20F temps. Good luck.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

What brand did you use? This may be good information for others.

[@brucenicol1279]

I purchased from RockAuto - but it's available at a better price on Amazon. The part is STANDARD MOTOR PRODUCTS VVT519. This is the video I watched to fix - make sure not to repeat mistake made in video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/noTTlGdnYrWdZsU

[@lupegalvan9993]

@@brucenicol1279 What was the mistake? Buying from Honda and using their part? Or do you mean locking it before torquing?

[@brucenicol1279]

@@lupegalvan9993 locking it before torquing.

[@ezerish]

2014 CRV - I've got the same problem. I've found that if I bump it over once before I let it start cold this never happens. Not great, but at least I don't feel like I'm tearing my engine up. My used car dealer also gave me $500 toward fixing it when I explained the problem. I'm upset too, Honda needs to take responsibility for this. Not buying another Honda, but honestly I like the car and will drive it many more years.

[@ExtremeRecluse]

The rattling is not that bad if the engine oil is kept at the full mark

[@jonboz7585]

I have a 2011 Honda Fit Sport with 105,000 miles and it has been making that grinding noise for a year now, but only when the temperature drops below 50 F. It has been an excellent car, getting 40 mpg, and except for this noise, I would like to keep it. I also have a 2012 CRV but it has only 12,000 miles, so I tend to drive it in winter time to spare the Fit. I also heard that newer Toyotas, like the RAV-4, have the same problem. Thanks for one of the most informative presentation on this topic.

[@justinscanlon9850]

I’ll tell you that if you had a Ford Escape, Fusion or Focus from around the same time you’d be dealing with a lot worse then just the VTC actuator

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Only the 2013 up Escapes. Junk. But 2012 and prior were very good vehicles.

[@sdody]

I own a 2013 CRV too and have the same startup noise during cold start every morning. The driver side vent is also not putting out heat.

[@IAmBigKes]

How much mileage do you have

[@Susan70003]

That's a common one with drivers side being cooler. I have to turn on my seat heater.

[@sdody]

@@IAmBigKes The noise started around 50K, and the car is around 125K now. I just ignored the noise and it runs fine. Just flushed the heater core and the driver side vent heat is working again.

[@Susan70003]

I have that with the side vent. There is a fix. Wiggling the baffle. I am looking for a how to video on it. Did you ever get yours fixed?

[@BohoChicCallMeBoho]

I love Hondas too! I’ve had several of them and if you maintain them- they will run forever! I’m actually looking for the old 80s CRX now because I remember my cousin had one and I would beg her to let me drive it because it was manual and had so much fun in that car!

[@janwilliams178]

I was just thinking about buying one of these thanks for the heads-up.

[@drewcrane3338]

I bought two 2014 crv new. Both rattle one has 180000 still going strong

[@fransisdong2774]

I have similar issues with my 2008 accord. They fixed it once under warranty after multiple request, and the problem re-surface again soon after, just like you. But, this time, I was already outside warranty period. I decided to leave it as is but it appears over time the problem gets worse for me and the engine started burning oil. Like you, Honda never admit anything wrong with the engine, but I found out about the service bulletin too at the time. Not sure if I am going to fix it or just sell it at this point. I am weighing my option. I bought my car new back then. I am in the midwest area.

[@gp2862]

Thank you very much for this video. I am in the process of deciding between a CRV or Rav and my decision is now settled. Rav it is.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

The RAV4 is a great vehicle.

[@njsongwriter]

Be careful what year RAV4 you buy too. Some of them have their problems including this very same problem with variable valve timing. But with the RAV you must fix it rather than choose to live with it because the Toyota parts us made with aluminum instead of stainless steel. Aluminum is a sitter metal.

[@martinr8278]

Had a 2010 crv, not the worst but certainly not the best. Loads of recalls. Got rid of it after 6 years. Not happy with performance I agree with your video 100%. Who knows what Honda will do in the future. We’ll see

[@andriszagars4276]

I Love My Honda CRV 2013.Lovely Car.

[@Susan70003]

What is your gas mileage?

[@gregmiller8584]

I have a 2011 130k miles and a 2013 190k miles Not one issue w the 2011, the 2013 has the noise and won’t pass inspection. Also has the 25mph “shudder” intermittently. I want to fix the ‘13 and give to my 16 year old, but not sure it’s worth it.

[@Powerstroke98]

As you may know, the Honda CRV's are very popular among those that tow them behind motorhomes (as I do) and they rarely ever have a problem when doing so. Our's is the 2014 EX fwd, and the odd time it will make the actuator sound, but I've just gotten use to it doing so now and again. Other than the noise, in the six years we've had it, I've changed out the battery (still has the stock Michelin tires) as it's now at just over 80K miles. My wife loves driving it, and it's not bad on fuel and a great little car for running around town, or out on the interstate I've found. I may try going to a little higher viscosity of oil, to see if it makes a difference, but if not will drop down to where it's suppose to be. I do all oil changes at 5K and haven't had to touch a thing since getting it, so I sure can't complain.

[@kendowton8661]

Tires should be replaced @ 7 years old regardless of miliage or tread depth.

[@scotthall8609]

So, did you change oil viscosities? I had always understood that it's quite risky to do so with a Honda. From the way "Jack" describes the problem, it's not an oil issue, as the reason the noise quits after a second or two is because it takes that long for the oil pressure to rise enough to get everything working correctly. The flow of oil stops the rattle/squeal. I would think that a higher viscosity would make that problem worse, not better. ???

[@dre5491]

IMO Royal Purple is not a good oil for daily drivers. I follow a few oil engineers, including one who was an engineer for JGR (Joe Gibbs Racing), royal purple is a racing use oil, it's great for high revving applications that see a lot of abuse that gets the oil change after every race for example. But most of these racing oils breakdown over a long period of time quicker than a Mobile 1, Castrol, Valvoline etc full synthetic. I'd high recommend sending your oil off to be test I think you might be surprised. Any rate, every car has its issues, not a single car manufactured doesn't have a "common problem." I'll take the VTC problem over the Nissan Rogue as an example with a junk transmission where you're lucky to get 100k miles without a trans rebuild.

[@ernestomendez3636]

Got the same problems, and same bs from the dealer. they just don't care anymore.

[@johnfrakes4746]

Yes, indeed. The dealer told me this is a common fault of these year models. My 2014 started this hideous sound, when it gets extremely cold ( it certainly can in Iowa). It was still under warranty, thus I pleaded the case with the dealer, and they generously replaced it. So Far, with 50k , and three years it has not returned. Good luck with yours. And I will be definitely switching to either Subaru or Toyota next car time.

[@carolynlasher8896]

Be careful with Subaru to if it has a timing chain. Pieces are breaking off getting into engine. I found a mint condition used Subaru Forester, new drive belt, 4 brand new tires, ect. I really wanted this vehicle. 2012 model ,1 owner, dilagent on upkeep. Only had 114,000 miles but, at 100,000 miles the timing belt was due to be changed. And they would not allow me to take to my mechanic for a quick check. I got ripped off on my last last vehicle that needed $3,400 in repairs. This time being 72 and very cautious I just requested my mechanic to check. They said no. So I walked away. I'm so disappointed. Trying to buy a car now that doesn't have major issues is difficult and the prices for used cars are ridiculous, even with 150,000 miles. I research and very few models that aren't having problems. Be careful. Still looking.🙄

[@gfriedman99]

I’d go with Kia/Hyundai these days. Best bang for the buck and good quality.

[@johnfrakes4746]

@@gfriedman99 You might be very right. I don't like the tiny engines they are currently making, nor the cylinder deactivation in the 6.

[@njsongwriter]

Some Toyotas also have the same problem.

[@XyzO0o2]

Ribbet. Bunch of whining ... sounds to me.

[@PatriciaBates-z7l]

My daughter's 2014 Honda Crv EXL is going in tomorrow to a private mechanic for the VTC actuator replacement along with the timing chain. $1500. Total. The vehicle was given to her. I am hoping the fix will last a while since I am paying the bucks. My son's 2013 Honda Crv EXL had the VTC actuator replaced by the dealer when it was purchased in November 2019. It hasn't had any problems so far. I own a Toyota. Sadly, I feel the Toyota is superior to the Hondas. It is such a crap shoot these days. 13:23

[@PeerKhan-py4ul]

2015 Honda CRV - LE I agree with you. Since we bought the our brand new Honda we idol problem when waiting for the traffic lights or car running but the IDOL shakes took to Honda dealer they can not fix the car Same WE CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT NO MORE HONDA....

[@kevinruger8819]

I love my 04’ CR-V manual AWD 😃. I’m greedy AF and want to by another one but Front Wheel drive base model automatic, so I can park my AWD 5 speed and baby it.

[@carolynlasher8896]

Please investigate before buying newer models having issues also. Seems most cars of any model having issues. Maybe cheaper parts due to economy?

[@kevinruger8819]

@@carolynlasher8896 oh you mistake me 😂 I mean I want you to buy another older CR-V

[@donaldlee6760]

After watching this video I immediately ran outside to cold start my 2012 Honda CR-V with the hood raised and my head sticking out the driver's side window. Maybe living in California where my morning temp was 62 degrees masks the problem but my engine sounded perfect. I have 148k miles with the original VCT. I live the the San Francisco Bay Area so long ago learned to DIY my own cars. I recently paid $3300 at the local independent shop in Berkeley for a timing belt job on my wife's 2012 Honda Odyssey because I couldn't make the time to do it myself. That's not happening again.

[@flowergarden1426]

I’am supposed to be purchasing a 2013 CRV tomorrow, after watching this video I’m having second thoughts.

[@ravennation5035]

I got a 2014 EXL with 19,000 miles on it. Runs great lol

[@tavistaite8592]

I'd hope a car with

[@sergioramos4884]

Not true, I have 10 years with a 2012 Honda CR-V, the only I did is a struts replacement !

[@schifoso]

2017 more reliable? Oil dilution and head gasket failures say no. VCt actuator isn't hard to replace, especially on your CR-V if you want to do it yourself and save a fair bit of money. And you probably should do the running chain tensioner at the same time.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

Oil dilution is only a problem on the 1.5 turbo. The 2017-2019 LX with the 2.4 is a much better vehicle.

[@rickthomas9278]

i own the 15' ex model. ... ok , oil changes, tires , and the biggy... pain at the pump ! hey ! the cvt gets you more mpg ! Honda's cvt in 2015 was the best, and still going strong..

[@actualsurfer]

2014 AWD here. 265k miles and going strong. I got a little transmission shaking at 65k and I just change the trans fluid every 60k and all is good. The only other major repair is the shocks all around but that is expected.

[@logroller3122]

I change the transmission fluid every 30K miles. I buy seven quarts and crush gasket. Drain and fill. Drive it a bit. Drain and fill again. Use new gasket. Set for another 30K miles, about 2 years.

[@spirtjunkie3996]

This guy Doesn't know anything. I've owned over 300 crvs . Worked on and fixed hundreds.

[@JackofAllMasterofNone]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Very impressive

[@levimagnusson5880]

Both the Camry/ accord highlander/ rav4 and crv are the only vehicles I have ever heard have this issue. I’ve seen many people never do anything about it and go over 200K mi. It is annoying noise, but with many vehicles that have this issue with high mileage. I wouldn’t think it’s a big deal Either way if this is a big issue, I wouldn’t go to Toyota more of their models have been effected by the same issue, and similar years I believe

[@philipdsouza7324]

I have been using this 2013 model for the past 10 yrs no issues. Depends how you drive n maintain the car just my personal experience.

[@steverose2405]

This is the first engine that I have had that uses 0W-20 oil. Has anyone tried using a higher viscosity oil to mediate this problem? This may cause more oil to stay in the upper engine. This sound started on my 2012 CRV at about 120,000 miles. I am at now at 145,000 miles, and this occurs on every cold engine start-up, even in the summer.

[@Allhailbrak79]

Bought a 2014 Honda CR-V EX-L 2.4 liter 2WD with over 188,000 miles for $9,000 back in November before Thanksgiving through a private party. Took in to the shop to have looked at so far no codes were found, recommended new spark plugs, found sweating under the transmission and one of the rear shocks is no good. Few days later my VTC actuator made the noise on cold start. A couple of weeks before Christmas my torque converter assembly broke and I ended up getting another one off a wrecked Honda CR-V and it had over 44,000 miles on it and it ended costing me $2,883, for a refurbished torque converter assembly it would have cost over $10,000

[@truthisfree7297]

I have a 2013 Honda CRV and recently it did start making this noise. However, it has been a nearly flawless vehicle other than this and some issues with brake rust (live in cold area with lots of salt application). After 120k miles, I'd say it is one of the lowest cost cars I've owned so hard to say that it is a bad investment.

[@brentwilliams351]

Have a 2007 CRV with 290k miles, without any major issues. Bought a 2013 a few years back & having issues at just 140k miles. Not very happy with Honda right now … like a lot of the comments.

[@DanDan-pn8js]

Switched from the Honda CRV to Toyota RAV4 2015 pros and cons for both. But you’re right after that 2006 CRV the problems start leaking Juddering on the 2007-2012 model and now this. Honda has gone downhill.

[@felixagustin9573]

We have 2012 for 10 yrs no issues, except for regular maintenence. A tank, taking it all over. My accord 2014 did have this issue

[@brensdaman926]

I'll keep my 2001 CR-V (1st gen). It's cheap to insure and repair. The CR-V became junk starting in 2007. It's just like everything else modern... Boring, bland, and soul less.