Don't Underestimate Dwarfs

[@pacocheung1864]

Kislev vs Dwarfs, one has a faction wide ability that basically makes them fight to the death, the other has morale so high they're virtually unbreakable (plus slayers) Its like slamming a Nokia 3310 against legos

[@maskdanger]

😂

[@nessa-parmentier]

immovable object against immovable object

[@thatsmeman780]

The wizard dies because the artillery crew bugged out. At 26:25 you send her to attack the artillery, which makes her immediately run into the enemy army and die. Very unfortunate but would probably have happened to everyone :D

[@vallar57]

Wow, that was like 500 damage done to her in a second.

[@mr.cookie4498]

It looked like the artillery Crew was dismounted from the guns, and when he clicked on the artillery she went to fight the Crew in the middle of the enemy Army.

[@beebeebees]

@@mr.cookie4498 yup you can see the same thing happen at around 27:35

[@thatsmeman780]

@@vallar57 yes but usually the flag will follow the crew after they dismount, for some reason it didn't here

[@Ten4FatRooster]

Yeah I hate when the flag of the unit is not actually with the unit. It’s very frustrating!

[@levse]

The situation is almost 1-to-1 to my first ever IE campaign. I went ballsy with 50 turn random Endgame Crisis. It turned out to be dwarfs and Ungrim just steamrolled over me.

[@mahguvnah7403]

I tried playing modded as the border princes and got the dwarfs end game crisis. You're basically surrounded on 4 sides by different dwarf factions, and they've been your best allies until then. And your troops are absolute trash as border princes.

[@Weberkooks]

Idk why you would even subject yourself to that lmao@@mahguvnah7403

[@foxshoot3138]

​@@mahguvnah7403wait hiw its the dwarf a end game crisis what its his motivation xd

[@milinmt]

a grudge ! @@foxshoot3138

[@Weberkooks]

wtf to my other comment what the hell

[@draconomega]

4:39 this is one of the reasons I love the little grom. Most of the time using artillery feels like rolling a dice to see if the shots land. meanwhile little grom is basically a sniper that shots 50 tons of steel, that will go trough anything, small or big, always doing good damage

[@TheBoxGhost_tm]

I swear the Little Grom shot also bounces so you can have it roll through a few formations to rack up more damage.

[@Grivehn]

Little Grom and Cathay cannons are essentially homing artillery. Unfortunately none of the other, supposedly as good or better cannons in the game, such as dwarf cannons, aim that well. Maybe with the exception of full chevrons, but even then they can only do that with full experience, whilst Wh3 artillery does the same without experience.

[@louis930408]

I like at 8:18 Legend says “everyone needs to focus on this Irondrake unit before it annihilates us.” Ice Guards: “Annilates us!”😂😂

[@Scaphism36]

While the Dawi probably wouldn’t have forgiven Legend for beating them, they absolutely won’t forgive him turning on “large army” to make things more interesting

[@eternalwind08]

04:39 - LMAO! Both of the Little Grom shots hit the Gyrobomber! Half of its HP instantly gone! hahaha

[@olafthemoose9413]

Little grom somehow is extremly acurate compared to most other artillery.

[@talpidaesaltatrix4839]

oh so thats what that was! i've not played 3 yet and had a double take when the gyro got slapped lmao

[@russianhorde]

8:18 pretty awesome synchronization with annihilating. It’s almost like they’re listening to Legend’s thought process.

[@tristianbernardauthor]

Seems like there's a whole "Don't underestimate this faction" series now!

[@inductivegrunt94]

You know the grudge against you is great when Legend has to come and win against the army sent to crush you.

[@TheLastPhoen1x]

"Obey my f**** orders! You know, for your own good. I want you to live." Lol, that had such a funny "didn't mean to yell" vibe. What a wise and humble general.

[@SaltyRocksPew]

Such tightly packed Dawi make me *wish* for a dreadquake mortar

[@pocketradzys]

This was really tense & exciting to watch, cheers Legend

[@nonesuch6833]

Kislev vs Dwarfs is just guaranteed to be the most gruelling battle you've ever seen.

[@Dannananan-b4m]

I'm actually happy sewing more total warhammer contents again. Prolly because of the drought of at least couple of months seeing historical, that i crave for fantasy

[@Supercohboy]

I'm a hound for any pro-arty TW content lmao and I wouldn't be surprised if there were others with a similar opinion. Big boomy ball make dopamine go brrr.

[@Meyna86]

I think it has a lot to do with the unit variety in Warhammer. You just can't have si gle entity huge monsters in historical titles. Add flying units, magic users, etc. and it just expands the tactical possibilities.

[@MidlifeCrisisJoe]

Absolutely wild battle. Stuff like this is why you're a legend, Legend.

[@Javier-yp3xu]

ive never seen this map in my kislev campaign like ever and this what encapsulates kislevs roster and even dwarfs playstyle dragging them down slowly into a narrow pass and turned into a killbox

[@Supercohboy]

Lmao poor LoTW is going to be thinking about those wasted Sulyaks for some time, I felt that pain through the screen. Insane fight as always and regardless, always great to see a TW battle from you. The Napoleon vids are especially interesting imo, that canister shot got me actin up haha

[@oooeee5556]

Waiting for LOTW make a playlist which is just "Don't Underestimate [race]" as title.

[@BlizzardAcolyte]

- I laugh at how much anti-large this mega-army brought along...and how little it mattered given the composition of the player's army - 19:17 HAHAHAHA, thank you for maintaining the integrity of the bit Having beaten A Grudge Too Far for the 1st time earlier this month, I have a new appreciation for anyone who can effectively handle it...and as my least favorite endgame, I'm always happy to see anyone decimate the armies spawned from it. Kraka Drak in particular, but any dead Dwarf is a good Dwarf. It's to the point that I would really petition for, and possibly pay, to have some Lords submit battles in the future (disaster or otherwise, TBH) featuring more Dawi endgame nonsense, featuring other factions, until you have one battle for each race represented this calendar year. The armies this endgame throws at you, on top of the inherent Dawi toughness, would make the entire ensuing "series" a string of epic, long battles, which are always great While I daydream about that happening, sixty thx for this battle! I now have an excellent enemy army to theorycombat against a litany of other armies I've recently seen, along with all of the minor faction stacks that you fled in terror from during the endturn: - SpaceWizardTW's main army from his current Goldtooth series - the Vahsnar's Conquest stack from your New Year's Day vid - a couple of thematic Dark Elf armies I faced yesterday from Forest Healing dilemmas, including a KHARIBDYSS DOOMSTACK - Okoii's 19 Lords of Change - Clan Carrion's starting army in IE+their settlement garrison at Nagashizzar (which I believe starts at Tier V?) Etc., etc.

[@12coudak000]

At first you came a bit short with the army composition but you managed to overcome your shortcomings

[@Redneckkratos]

SHORT?!?!?

[@rhystaylor851]

That's going in the Book

[@tomhall0212]

UNDERestimate?! AS IN LOW AS IN SHORT?!?!? goin in the book…

[@botep5529]

😂

[@botep5529]

That was quite the REACH

[@botep5529]

Good lord. Dawi will fight till the last man. Lore accurate Morale.

[@welsh7858]

Yeah. Or utter stupidity. Depends on situation.

[@4yUwantAxe]

Would you be willing to consider doing on another micro heavy, maybe formation heavy, battle, to have a Keyboard Overlay in the corner? Sometimes there's shortcuts/hotkeys I haven't even considered or have completely forgotten about due to playing Shogun 2 and mods like Third Age for too long.. But then I see you do something in these videos, ie alt dragging units in setup, that can completely revolutionizes the gameplay of your less legendary viewers, and its happened more than once in my time watching you.. Thanks. ;)

[@dmitriyk.2890]

Ordertide fighting each other yet again.

[@OriginalVoiceBox]

This was such a cool battle. It was really like a battle that told a story. Love it.

[@botep5529]

It really feels like the AI has a plan at the start of every battle, and if youre playing a ranged army that plan is rush like hell. If you disrupt that plan they derp out really hard and just start walking their troops everywhere

[@SaltyRocksPew]

The slayers just crawled underneath the legs of the kossars clearly

[@Nightmare_52]

I will always respect the power of dwarfs and either quickly take them out early on or ally them for the later game

[@matthewnavin9394]

Underestimate dwarves?!? That would be very shortsighted.

[@storytsunami]

SHORT!? THAT'S ONE FOR THE BOOK!

[@jonbreno9320]

That patriarch lucky bastard he survived with 30 hp 😂

[@Jaxpurgatory]

Man what a battle! Awesome job Legend!

[@astari24]

"They are very quick...... well, for a dwarf" 😂😂

[@firen2040]

Now play medieval 2 with 20 merchants

[@justdracir8197]

Always great coming back to a disaster battle and watching Legend giving it his best shot!

[@ZzolllozZ]

I did not such a thing. M'Lord ..

[@grand_inquisitor-r9k]

6:00 my little skaven fingers tingle over the Doomrocket butten jet i canot press it : (

[@SofaMuncher]

Very captivating battle!

[@nightsky1801]

I hope you never quit! Love your vids

[@robwadsworth882]

Love all the new things I learn from your vids. Had no idea you could change your own reinforcement locations

[@zaculliz]

I would say any casulties are worth it. As long as you can survive and reorganise for a retaliation. If you can turn a disaster into a stalemate it's 100x times better then just losing.

[@witlinekris5791]

4:40 what an insane aim!

[@UnicornmooseE30]

I was today years old when I learned that you can CHANGE THE DIRECTION YOUR REINFORCEMENTS COME FROM

[@bigmoose7]

This was truly an exciting battle to watch

[@MojocatAMVs]

Some pretty epic battles being featured lately, good stuff.

[@reeceshugrue6167]

Don't be so short-sighted and think you can always one up Dwarfs

[@rollolol6053]

Short?

[@victuz]

Be so what?! That is going into the book!

[@urdaanglospey6666]

"I'd need to fight this battle absolutely perfectly and that would be difficult." If it were easy, you wouldn't get disaster battles ;)

[@LinkLegend0]

Once again the one and only Legend.

[@Pilvenuga]

ah yes, another battle where Legend utilizes hills to their maximum: while they may not be symmetrical, they are big enough, adjacent and have just the right amount of space between them for fun to occur

[@aldirnila6215]

One of the best disasters from an entertainment point of view. 😄

[@normaniguns1894]

I'm loving the assorted total war content.

[@SilverforceX]

Dawi are really easy when you have artillery superiority or amazing magic, if you lack those, its a tough grind.

[@dracolich3076]

End game crisis?! *stellaris flashbacks*

[@azzik9931]

"Underestimate" is such a perfect word for dwarfs, you know, under :>

[@jacobfreeman5444]

You are getting a grudgin' for that!

[@TranquillShot]

3:54 Today I learned that you can just...drag and drop where you want your reinforcements to come in from. FML? xD

[@chopin9356]

Very impressive well played legend

[@sammarlow8184]

Played this map before with a similr and I got destroyed. Thanks for teaching me how to play it.

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

Kislev missile infantry has better melee stats than Empire’s best melee infantry Yeah

[@steveh.7664]

End game crisis dwarves are f-ing scary!

[@TheJakeSweede]

Did you notice the little grom destroying the copter at the beginning?

[@XavierAway]

I’m not sure why, but it’s always with your videos and a few other people I subscribe who make gaming related content that KZbin is determined to play in 720p rather than 1080 even though it’s clearly better quality in 1080

[@Deerygccawwetthjbgde]

I’ve never underestimated Dwarfs…

[@TheSpaceWomble]

How hard would it be to programme the A.I to form up its entire army with reinforcements before attacking? The weird thing is, I am positive I have seen the A.I do this (form up with its reinforcements) in battles against me and you used to have to cause damage to them to trigger the attack. Obviously it does it on the defensive, so is this just a problem when the A.I attacks you with what it considers a superior force? Seems this wouldn't be too hard a fix and if the Dwarfs in this battle for example had simply waited for their Artillery and their entire force they would have most likely won regardless of what Legend did.

[@Wengier15]

AI tends to rush when you have artillery superiority. I think they may have waited for reinforcements if not for the fact that they were on the offensive.

[@markcampbell4080]

I'm in the same boat fighting the Choas dwarves. Trying not get nuked by their artillery and powers. They are nasty. Any advise on how to fight them?

[@RMDragon3]

It's a shame you made some mistakes that cost you a couple of units, but honestly I was struggling to keep up with everything that was happening just watching!! That was such a chaotic fight, it's really impressive that you only lost that few units.

[@FabioCycling]

3:48 WOW, I didn't know you could change the path from where your reinforcements come from

[@1986Edelweiss1]

I think it is only possible in 3, and it enhances the time till your reinforcements arrive.

[@FabioCycling]

@@1986Edelweiss1 ah cool Thanks for info

[@thebelltower1145]

Weird ask; try this battle again on normal or easy difficulty? The ranged units wouldn't ignore your small single entities so it might actually be harder.

[@comemesas1]

29:16 couldn't you just check any of your army's unit leadership modifiers and look for Lord killed / left battlefield?

[@kevinharvey9500]

I love regi dwarves.....they have some of the best front line infantry in the game.

[@Marmamartha]

I noticed you stop using little grom after it used all its ammo until like minute 36. But they are quite usefull in melee too, their are fast specially against dwarfs. You could have used them to rearcharge or something.

[@markjohnson1460]

27.22 is when the mage dies. She was routing and got attacked

[@bigboyjeb]

This map was very favorable, long walk in swamp terrain as dwarfs into a perfect funnel vs all ranged

[@UofMFan628]

lol full health garrison lord was ignored the entire battle

[@JamieP43]

the starting army position was so sexy

[@botep5529]

Is it just me or is Keslev the only ones who do prefight lord speeches

[@rorysteffan]

6:01 what was that noise😂

[@stevencarmody1755]

Since the latest update ive been having visibility issues i wonder if anyone else has been experiencing that

[@TheBoxGhost_tm]

Don't know why the guy tried using Ice Guard vs Dwarf endgame crisis. Some Akshina ambushers would have been a better economical substitute or Strelsi if he had the cash for them because the AP damage missiles would have been much more effective. Magic attack wasn't that useful since they don't appear to have much physical resistance. Also they are technically lower balance of power compared to Ice Guard, meaning as the AA or Strelsi use ammo or die, your own balance of power is affected less.

[@thoneras9611]

Maybe he didnt build this army to go against dwarves?

[@strategosaurus]

Sometimes i Think they made Warhammer mutch more difficulty couse there is alltimes emough disaster content for Legend ❤

[@andrzejandrzej8174]

i dont under stand 9/10 crisis is dwarfs

[@kylepracz]

......did anyone else not know that you can change where reinforcing units come from????

[@plasticbag4102]

ROCK AND STONE

[@piotrach3128]

>kills super duper armies of dwarves which outnumbers you >still get phyrric victory I have no idea how the game names type of loses and victories xD

[@hanspeter8982]

Would Strelsis be a good choice against Dwarfs?

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

Yes. Guns are armor piercing which is essential against dwarves who (along with Warriors of chaos) have the highest armor in the game. Streltsi also have more ammo than armored kossars which is vital in these long fights. Anything with armor piercing that is faster than dwarves can be used effectively against them. I would recommend getting an ice wizard though to kill annoying units with death frost such as lords, slayers, heroes, and gyrocopters.

[@wydjaz3140]

very beautfull batlle thx !

[@iiKiboshii-c3z]

I have never seen this map. I've played a total of months of time. Literally *every* map I get is a small, forested and just hilly enough for gun lines to hurt. I can't really do missile armies. Then I play VC, and it's just big open planes, even in the mountains, lol

[@AITUARMANAS]

I would probably went much better if range unit didn't bugged out. Really hate that every tiny hill completely stops guns

[@ukaszsotys5304]

Wait a second.... You can just drag reinforcments icon all over map... I have played total war games sice mtw1 and this is big news 😂

[@Thomas-gj8np]

Insane

[@MikeGuarino69]

No ones talking about the 38 global recruitment slots?

[@Kwodlibet]

Plural form of the word Dwarf is Dwarves - so "Don't Underestimate Dwarves"

[@jambalolk]

Normally, yes. But in warhammer lore it's dwarfs.

[@MrVlad12340]

How did he even managed to get into war with the dwarves?

[@maxpower3990]

Endgame crisis the “Greatest Grudge”.

[@jumanahmad6526]

Dwarves Endgame Crisis

[@bar_jumper1312]

34:27 silly situation in the end it worked i guess, i would have blobb bomb themn with the last 53 winds of magic classic erlay game thing with kislev

[@bar_jumper1312]

after the game stopped crashing constantly, they might have brought new janky commands with the last update, i noticed it has been getting harder to properöy direct units in some cases and archers are now derpy as hell, thx CA

[@botep5529]

It's like the CA realizes how strong ranged units are and are trying to nerf it by making them super inaccurate and janky

[@raginasiangaming910]

I hate Dwarf Crisis.

[@Cerulily]

Going to be "that person" but you had so many times dwarfs were tightly formed and you could have used a few offensive vortexes. I get why you were cautious and wanted ice drops to redirect, but you ended the fight with 35 winds. that could have been 100 kills on an ice maiden early on. and the vortex would have slowed down the formations even if it didn't get a lot of kills.

[@TheMorninGlory23]

Cool fight :D

[@Kinperor]

Don't want to fight dwarves? Walk away, LOL, what are they going to do? Stop moving their tiny short legs to write down a grudge in their book? Take the Slayer LMAOth?

[@maestromarat6195]

Why do people like the hawks vortex for tempest maidens over the blizzard vortex? I'v always found blizzard to be a lot better

[@monostorizsolt2472]

Seeing those cossars (archers) not shooting is just bad :/