Doom But Something's Not Right - Episode 2: The Shores of Hell (Blind Ultra-Violence 100%)

Game: The Ultimate Doom
PWAD: Doom, The Way We Remember It.wad
Difficulty: Ultra-Violence
Source port: PrBoom+ UMAPINFO (-complevel 3)
Pistol start.
Blind (never played or seen the maps before).
All kills and secrets.
No saves.
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Link to WAD:
www.doomworld.com/forum/topic...
Link to source port:
github.com/coelckers/prboom-p...
Widescreen status bars:
forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php...
Doom II Minor Sprite Fixing Project:
www.doomworld.com/idgames/gra...
00:00 Introduction
00:08 E2M1
03:09 E2M2
11:23 E2M3
15:54 E2M4
27:31 E2M5
36:43 E2M9
39:29 E2M6
47:01 E2M7
54:33 E2M8

[@decino]

This was recorded a couple of days ago. The E2M4 exit door is fixed now.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

*"MALFUNCTION HAS BEEN FIXED!"* - _Computer voice guy, RTC-3057_

[@eebu4053]

im zomes kimer

[@Enterim]

If I had to guess without looking at it in UDB, the exit door is too close to a floor linedef, so the floor linedef is "eating" the Use action. In Boom there's a linedef flag (PassThru) that prevents this from happening.

[@TummyFishHD]

@@Enterim Hope to see it mentioned a future linedef video. I recognized that immediately. Author would've seen it in (g)zdoom if they had doom strict compat flags on.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

That and this games age make this one of the most functional, passionate and strongest game communities in history. Love you Doomers.

[@gameaddict11707]

I guess people remembered Doom being a lot more ammo-starved than it really was.

[@liamaldrich2476]

I would guess they just dont directly remember ammo pickups being in certain places (theyre very easy to just pick up and keep running without thinking), and so they fail to put enough in

[@fearless1000]

I always run out of ammo in episode 2 and end up beserk punching barons, but I suck.

[@morzemus1805]

I guess people just don't pistol start these that often

[@reloadpsi]

@@fearless1000 "Berserk punching barons, but I suck" You're good enough to berserk punch barons though. Not a lot of players can do that :P

[@sharqueeshajohnalaneesha2019]

@Prof. Spudd That’s not forced afaik, it’s just how decino chooses to play the game.

[@Cheesewheeel]

Fun fact the last time I played E2M2 was over five years ago before I made the map - literally could only remember crates, berserk and that's about it... So I just made it up :^)

[@eebu4053]

u dodnr maked I KAKE map and and i make map 2

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Well shite, dude, you did an excellent job then! Confinement Area looks, feels and plays great, very modern but still id-like, and without most of the development jank. And you didn't forget that it doesn't feature any hitscanners, so that's another plus. Two thumbs up for you! 👍👍

[@Shrek_es_mi_pastor]

Ex dee

[@lolmcswagger7247]

Just cause of your map, for doom 2 but sus I might do a map I haven’t played in 6 years

[@Sheridan2LT]

@@DinnerForkTongue Not even the shotgunners that TOTALLY are in the map. I swear they are.

[@mrlucas9072]

I think it'd be cool if someone were to make a friend play DOOM like this for the first time and then, when they've completed the game, uninstall the WAD so they'd think that their memory is off and they'll permanently think default DOOM is cursed and not the other way round.

[@felynecomrade]

Easy there, Satan.

[@DryPaperHammerBro]

@@felynecomrade Eh, it's Doom, it's appropriate

[@JGT-yd2wx]

yes

[@Jobby_James]

This WAD shows how effective some people are at remembering the layouts of these maps. If I did this, I would have accidently mashed up random parts from different maps and miss out most of the secrets.

[@Fuzy2K]

Good idea, someone should make a WAD that contains parts of every level

[@zarnox3071]

A level containing a single room from every map, in order, would be interesting.

[@5spec]

@@----Jay---- link to video?

[@Opanker_]

There is a wad that combines all the levels in like one big map

[@themartonjanos6194]

That's funny because the author of E2M2 did exactly that

[@Chozo_Ghost]

decino legit had an existential crisis there for a bit in that E2M2 remake lmao

[@AJPMUSIC_OFFICIAL]

When I played excessive Doom as a child I would dream about it and E2M2 was a good representation of what those dreams were like.

[@timvanarsdel]

I feel like yesterdays "IDK" moment is gonna live in my head for years.

[@narnianninja4964]

@SteveMatheus Stepping on all the letters makes a voodoo doll get all the items

[@vidyabatter]

IDK

[@esmerylan]

Second video in a row where decino sought out a chainsaw, these maps are really taking their toll on him.

[@fearless1000]

Civvie would have no chance with this version of E2M9, he already thought you had to kill everything yourself and ran out of ammo.

[@JohnCena-qe1rz]

Civvie playing this would be a fun time

[@williamsmith666]

@@JohnCena-qe1rz The second half of Episode 4 will wear out Katie's poor Beetlejuice and Gordon clips...

[@keiyakins]

​@@williamsmith666 Nah, Civvie doesn't tear into stuff made by fans and released for free. Usually. If it's *legendarily* bad maybe.

[@supermariofan772003]

I'm shocked at how good the recreation of E2M7 is. I wonder how much of it was really based on memory alone. I also think the E2M2 recreation is pretty cool. I'd say that E2M2 is one of my favorite maps in the original Doom, and I like what the map maker did with it here. It takes many elements of the map, like the crushers, the central hub area, and the crate room, and remixes them into something completely new.

[@ArDeThSuNjEkOl]

E2M1 was recreated pretty well but I was surprised at how shockingly faithful E2M7 was replicated, even the item layout is mostly there. Not perfect but damned good for out of memory. And I can't give the author, who had to E2M2, a hard time bc that's honestly an unenviable task. All-in-all, I think this effectively demonstrates why certain levels are made the way they are and how an unplanned approach can lead to... unfavorable results.

[@koolandblue]

Using the chainsaw for a sustained period of time? And actually switching back to it again in the same stage even though the shotgun still had ammo? Something is definitely not right here!

[@kevandanu7]

Basically : Doom but you need to memorize every single detail to be good at commentary

[@mrlucas9072]

I'm always more interested in the maps where more creative liberty is taken, especially Containment Area. It reminds me of the Resident Evil 1 Remake where the level design is changed for the specific purpose of messing with players who played the original. Cant wait to see what is done with e3m5 and 7.

[@n3onkn1ght]

I played E3M5 out of curiosity. It's... _different_ . Specifically, which random linedef teleports you to the area you need to go to.

[@redenginner]

I always liked E2 because most of the maps started off as the original episode 1 maps. It makes them have a “corrupted by hell” vibe that a lot of modern maps don’t quite capture,since these where quite literally corrupted alpha maps.

[@MEDelai]

I was just watching episode one, wondering: "That was fun, hopefully he'll post the next episode soon." Lucky me!

[@themartonjanos6194]

I like how E2M6 reused the skull tunnel from E2M4, and E2M7 did part of the Rocket Launcher secret from E2M2.

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

It would be interesting to see the overhead/automap views of each map from the cursed version and from the original Edit - Never mind, Uncle ducino is on top of it

[@decino]

You can see check automap comparisons of the originals versus the recreations in the Doomworld thread I linked in the description.

[@mikemerrick4026]

Someone clearly commented before reaching the 17:11 mark

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

@@mikemerrick4026 Ooops yeah I definitely commented while starting E2M2

[@ahandsomefridge]

And 53 people thumbed the comment up before reaching the 17:11 mark (allegedly) :')

[@ItsHyomoto]

I think it's fairly telling how close episode 1 was that it's the best known episode to pretty much all Doom players. The later maps aren't just more complex, they are also just less played overall. In a way, that makes them much closer to the spirit of the endeavor, we see those parts of the maps that were memorable while other, in some cases significant, chunks of the map just don't even exist.

[@RanmyakuIchi]

After that cyberdemon on E1M7, I was halfway expecting Doom 2 monsters in one of these maps.

[@friedchickenUSA]

this video made me fall asleep. i remember getting lost in these levels alot.

[@toxicsound2789]

Ah, good to know I’m not the only person who falls asleep to the dying screams of demons. Real talk though, his voice is so soothing!

[@novaseer]

And it kept me awake at stupid o'clock. Balance.

[@ivanthesmash4642]

Ladies and gentlemen, in this very rare video you can see decino using a chainsaw!

[@davidchez513]

E2M7 was awesome the layout is on point. It has to be the best so far, even better than any of the E1 maps.

[@serhiy-serhiiv]

I would like to see episode 4, because each map there has a unique personality, and it would be interesting to see if it was retained

[@n3onkn1ght]

No, each map in episode 4 has the same personality: Sadistic.

[@serhiy-serhiiv]

@@n3onkn1ght not e4m4, or e4m5, or pretty much any map besides e4m1, e4m2 and e4m6

[@n3onkn1ght]

@@serhiy-serhiiv OK, episode 4 has _two_ personalities: Sadistic and utterly forgettable. I don't remember a single thing about E4M4 or E4M5.

[@mr.tadpole1697]

@@n3onkn1ght Nothing about E4M5? I'd say that's hard. After all E4M5 is a level where 90% Of the walls don't have fucking Textures

[@n3onkn1ght]

@@mr.tadpole1697 No fucking textures? Eh, there's always H-Doom for that. The only thing I recall of E4M5 is a blur--possibly a smear--of green. Just green.

[@KittysDawn]

I kind of like the final fight being more cramped. Makes the situation feel a bit more desperate with such a huge enemy right on top of you. Also, I like this demonstration of just how much the average player appreciates a game's generosity towards them. As in not at all! How often do you consider the one of hundreds of ammo/health/whatever pickups in an average game? Apparently not a lot.

[@dunndunn3850]

E2M9 was a pretty simple level to memorize, so I decided to touch it up and make it harder in some ways. The ammo famine was so the player would be more inclined to use the infighting mechanic that this map was made for. Thanks for playing!

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Too bad the central door closes, which hampers infighting a bunch. Yes, monsters can open it, but it cuts off LoS and fireball trajectories.

[@dunndunn3850]

@@DinnerForkTongue Yeah, I had completely forgot that door stayed open. haha

[@enderman5423]

Cheesewheel made this map. Who are you?

[@mouthwide0pen]

@@enderman5423 Really? Because I'm looking at the credits on Doomworld, and it says it was made by Dunn & Dunn.

[@enderman5423]

@@mouthwide0pen it says made by cheesecake when he opens the map

[@violentbeetle2441]

People testing in ZDoom is a source of my endless suffering whenecer i participate in community projects.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I'm a ZDoomer through and through, and I agree. It's infertile ground for demos, which is the bulk of shared gameplay content.

[@The73rdSecret]

51:05 "so how many shotgunners were in this room?" / "Yes"

[@9876abc]

Ducino starts every other sentence with "Shouldn't there be ..." :D Weird but also really fun idea for a wad, I'm loving it!

[@RoryFrenn]

what a great concept every video game should have a mod like this

[@KlNGMAKER]

yeah i really wanna see dear ester by memory

[@tastychunks]

Cruelty Squad

[@robowisanveithasung6022]

Half Life would be beyond cursed, especially On A Rail

[@keiyakins]

​@@robowisanveithasung6022 Black Mesa Inbound would be interesting.

[@julio543mrb]

so basically this wad is about how doom speed runners remember doom for how off and fast you do things here lol

[@DinnerForkTongue]

D2All speedrunners, specifically.

[@fisk0]

I'm sure they remember the fastest route through the level clearly. Would be fun if anything outside of that route was totally wrong though.

[@talkingrevolver9700]

Interesting how a common theme is remembering maps as smaller / more cramped than they are. Wonder if there's some kind of psychological reason for that.

[@TheWrathAbove]

I think it has to do with the association with stress.

[@Chef033]

this happens a lot in art and architecture of all kinds. we have a tendency to shrink spaces or extra room because our brains recognize patterns and eliminate what we think isn't "important." inversely, rooms that are very memorable as setpieces in these maps tend to be bigger than they should be in art, the same principle is the reason why people who haven't learned how to draw what they see always draw figures with faces too big, foreheads and ears too small, limbs and bodies out of proportion, etc. breaking the pattern recognition parts of your brain of those habits is a key part of learning to draw

[@raized943]

maybe because when people played this when they were kids, their motor skills while using the computer were absolute trash and so in their minds it seems more cramped due to them just generally sucking.

[@williamsmith666]

Smaller, more cramped, much less ammo and layout and scripting completely wrong.

[@Chef033]

smiling to myself every time decino says "caco" out loud. he says it so nice. kako.

[@BenOnBass]

I actually really love Shores of Hell. For me the longer levels had a sense of adventure. The often mis-matched theming in the design helped the 2nd episode feel like an ambiguously hellish combination of Earth and Hell itself The maps you don't like seem to be the ones I have a particular fondness for, funnily enough. Fucking Sandy and his bullshit maps lmao Objectively speaking, maps like Containment Area and Deimos Lab are messy and confusing but they are some of my favourites from childhood. Although I don't like E2M5 and E2M6 in particular All that said, I'm loving your playthrough of these cringe recreations

[@MondySpartan]

Doom, but *nothing* is right. Except... Spawning Vats is very spot on!

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Well, mostly. This version is considerably more cramped with shorter corridors.

[@medexamtoolsdotcom]

E2M2 I always make a point of using only my fist for, the whole map, I feel like that's the way it should be played.

[@thexdude]

They're making a Doom II wad this way, making new music from remembrance!

[@greenguykanoe2912]

That thumbnail doe. That caco backside is staring into my soul

[@louiepooh1510]

I went and played E1 after the last video and it was great to see the differences between what I, decino and the mapmakers all remembered and reality. I'm going to keep it up for the rest of these, it was super fun.

[@MrFairhill]

I have a stronger feeling that all of these maps were not made with pistol start in mind, but to be played in one sitting.

[@CDRNonsense]

Wonder if they remade the GBA and PS1 exclusive levels from scratch also as a bonus, good job with this episode!

[@williamsmith666]

I'd hate to see what they did with Club Doom...

[@hotdogkirby6014]

as someone who's most played episode from classic doom is number 2, I can safely say that the e2m2 remake made my brain hurt in the best way possible

[@FattoCattoGo]

This is what happens when you order Doom off Wish.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Different from what the images promised, sometimes broken, but a few times with great quality?

[@n3onkn1ght]

Didn't Tom Hall design his maps when the game was going to be nonlinear, with cutscenes and branching exits to other levels and shopkeeper NPCs and stuff? Not really fair to criticize his design choices when he had a totally different idea what the game was going to be.

[@doomerrasa8475]

I mean to be fair ID eventually did make doom exactly how Tom Hall wanted it... it's called doom 3 and people don't like it much. I think Tom Hall had ideas about the game even once he saw what the finished product would be (since you know, he had to design each of his levels in doom 1's complete sandbox) and in the final accounting, the doom levels he made are levels he'd love to play - just... most doomers don't.

[@hfc2x]

@@doomerrasa8475 Doom 3 is nothing like the game Tom Hall wanted to make. If anything, Doom was meant to be like a cross between the original System Shock meets Rise of The Triad. An FPS/RPG hybrid with demons, scary moments, and dark humor.

[@doomerrasa8475]

@@hfc2x With the exception of the RPG elements (skills, etc), you're describing doom 3.

[@Arto91]

So basically strife? Not that anyone has played it

[@LopezAlabama]

@@doomerrasa8475 I love Doom 3 (on the original Xbox no less!)

[@DarthVaderRules203]

Our pumpkin kills demons

[@thomasdilfurd4176]

Yes

[@Mushroomhermit]

It would be cool if they tried to recreate the midi's from memory too.

[@ItsHyomoto]

"The cacodemon is also here." In the RIGHT episode!

[@SkullKingofCarpathia]

It's like watching a parallel universe's version of DOOM

[@anew742]

I hope they make Plutonia in this style, that would be really...interesting lol

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Plutonia Revisited has this premise of "revisiting vague memories" but in-universe. It's Doomguy's memories rather than the mappers'.

[@dudunikolaishvili8096]

The number of Chaingunners, Revenants, and Archviles skyrockets

[@n3onkn1ght]

I want to see TNT's "Stronghold". It's huge, has 279 hitscanners, the layout keeps shifting...

[@mjc0961]

"Let's see, Plutonia, Plutonia... Yep, more Chaingunners and Revenants."

[@Moleoflands]

That would just be rooms of spooky boys

[@FearFrost]

Loved the salt at the end of the secret map LOL

[@serkanceltik2302]

0:52 you gotta admire the sync

[@swifttt]

was lookin forward to this one! just finished the episode 1 video too! :D

[@wjtshane]

Watching you slay 16 bit demons somehow never gets old !

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I'm thinking that this episode was balanced, if it was balanced at all, with continuous play in mind. You don't feel the ammo (and armor) drought nearly as much with carryover gear. And honestly, that's fine, though if that was intended then it SHOULD have been advertised as such, to warn the compulsive pistol-starters. Really liked some of these maps, but overall I'm gonna have to agree, Ep1 was way better.

[@dunndunn3850]

I did take into continuous play into mind with E2M9, yeah, with the supercharge and backpack, so going to the secret level would be more worth it. It was funny, though XD

[@Teklectic]

PROTIP: To defeat the Cyberdemon, shoot at it until it dies.

[@drainpipe591]

new zany doom video delivered straight into my ocular receptacles, very good

[@FleshWizard69420]

Everywhere at the end of Doom

[@BSzili]

I expected Episode 2 to be very cursed, and it didn't disappoint. Most people know Knee-Deep in the Dead by heart, but not the registered episodes. For some reason I always liked Ep2 because of the baroque theme, even though the levels are not as pretty as the rest.

[@ruinsleepless9098]

I appreciate this project if for nothing other than how many times we have now heard confused/disappointed decino, and on that note, thank you for entertaining us by way of cursing yourself with this stuff, much appreciated man.

[@kryptoniterazor]

I would love to see a community project to recreate the sprites and textures from memory as well. Load them up with the levels for an extra cursed experience.

[@the_kovic]

All the space that got sucked out of E2M3 got pumped into E2M6

[@Ayeloo]

decino playing e2m2 is how I feel everytime I play e2m2

[@Moleoflands]

Map 7 looked very much like the original. Very good. Enemies was excessive

[@i-v-l9335]

Holy crap that episode was a train wreck. The guy who did E2M7 did a bang up good job. The rest were painful and comical. Too many laghing faces needed to explain the giggles I had through this entire play through.

[@TheReal_DoomSlayer]

“The beach of a certain warm place”

[@SomeDudeOfficial]

"This sky is WRONG" not something i ever expected to hear lol

[@perryfamily2359]

your videos are great decino

[@e-102gammaboitheepicdoomer7]

E2M2 is my second favourite shores hell of map And as such I know It quite well. (The starting room's wall textures of this version of e2m2 weirded me out because it's not the white and yellow industrial-ish textures) My first and third favourites of e2 are: e2m6 as first and e2m7 as third.

[@icecold1805]

57:20 That, right there, Freud would have a field day with this. This is the expression of the map maker having vietnam flashbacks with that fake exit, the barons shouldn't be there and the room isn't nearly as small. This is trauma personified.

[@boyfriendxml1666]

It is so satisfying watching you grab the berserk and gibb the demons, haha!

[@SchweinchenHorst]

I love dis inFights! Nice to see. The makers of this mod Changing some lines and heights. they doesn’t create anything. But forget the items

[@edgartheslayer3]

why is this kinda more interesting to watch than the amazing (micro)slaughter maps and other cool custom maps?? Maybe it's just refreshing to see doom in a more subtle gameplay

[@nbanextlegend7497]

I love this Wad

[@natedoggcata]

"Oh man! what did you do to the ceiling?!!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@benismann]

M7 actually had ammo, good job whoever made it

[@user-kw4qx4qu8c]

Deimos anomaly was one of those first Doom maps I ever saw in life and remember since I was a baby (yup, not even kid). And Containment area was one of my all-time favorites, so it is somewhat painful to see it like that. I've also seen an improved version of it run under some mod from Brutal family on KZbin. Can't recall, who played it. Either Martinoz or Kills Alone.

[@georgeheilman885]

Funny how Fortress of Mystery, one of the more fun maps of episode, drops in gameplay quality where Halls of the Damned, which can be quite tedious, feels more fun. All those enemies at the fake exit certainly help.

[@ThreeEyedFish]

You knew exactly what you were doing with that thumbnail cacodemon lol

[@alandriesel6542]

Ever since you pointed out the orange skin rules on the pinkies in one of the doom graphic videos, I can't unsee them

[@johnnycruelty5195]

they did a kickass job on E2M5

[@decino]

If only it had a little bit more ammo. Or a berserk.

[@johnnycruelty5195]

@@decino holy cow! y-you replied to me! I will never forget this moment!

[@johnnycruelty5195]

@@decino also yeah, it need more ammo, I can agree on there

[@thedarkcrawler5896]

This was like the answers of that math test nobody studied, everything was so confusing XD

[@lytatroan]

damn the caco in the thumbnail be looking fine

[@adinocc2042]

E2M2, wow! I'm really familiar with this map and watching this remembered version is warping my mind! Ouch!

[@Fuzy2K]

14:12 -- I thought you said "this blinking spaghetti noodle" for a second there 😆

[@CosmicStargoat]

That blue fake exit at M2E6 was a real murder hole. Glad you could cheese it. Otherwise, instant death without an invulnerability.

[@redspear007]

Love that cacoussy in the thumbnail

[@endless_doom5337]

Something is quite wrong! Yet... feels good :P

[@chickenfortress7956]

One thing that I noticed is there everyone remembers way more enemies in the episodes than there is in the originals. I wonder if thats due to the sensation of the difficulty being higher than it actually is (like when you tell your friends how tough doom is)!

[@soranuareane]

You might be a fake Doom fan, but you're a real Doom fan in our hearts

[@Tyrian3k]

15:07 Having a déjà vu with E3M7 of your UV fast playthrough. ;)

[@jhfoleiss]

Wow E2M2 is soooooo off LOL. Great commentary Mr. decino!

[@conzmoleman]

i think a lot of people don’t normally play pistol start so the weapon placement isn’t as ingrained in their memory. they are used to already having the rocket launcher and a few rockets!

[@rolandkatsuragi]

Containment Area is actually my favorite episode two map and I'm very familiar with the layout. Seeing it like this is beyond cursed.

[@dinitroacetylen]

decino's levels of confusion: -> decino says loud and clear "what?"; -> decino helplessly mumbles "why this, why that?"; -> decino helplessly mumbles "why this, why that?" and ineptly chainsaws imps in the process.

[@icecold1805]

16:09 I laughed out loud, thats SO HUGE NOW.

[@lolmcswagger7247]

Yesterday Pavera played up to E2M8 I think, and my god, when we got to e2m3, we freaking died laughing at how S M O L it was!

[@krullachief669]

It's interesting how making some maps slightly bigger or slightly smaller makes them far more dynamic playing them.

[@NcWcN1]

Watching blindly and coming from the E1 video. The Spawning Vats analogue better have a Spider Mastermind hamfisted somewhere.

[@lordpalandus11]

25:07; "Some ammo be nice." Has 155 bullets. Also that fleshy lift is how you exit that room with the Cacodemons and Barons. Finally the first secret was originally triggered by raping, erm humping, the thing in the corner, so that skull on the pedestal.