DOOM ETERNAL - The MOST DIVISIVE Doom Game

[@UngliYT]

Alright, I seem to have absolutely messed up by saying Eternal lacked Creative Expression. I’ll admit I was dead wrong and I’m sorry. Probably should have played more huh? I’ll do my research next time. Hope you still find something to like here, and do look forward to a Dark Ages video when that comes out ❤

[@underthemayo]

@@UngliYT dont let the overacting individuals get to you. They need to be more understanding especially when your work is filled with so much love. Shake it off like Taylor.

[@jurajfrano7272]

There is still plenty to like. Great video, and people overly focusing just on this issue is a testament to that.

[@jesspeed]

@@underthemayodidn’t think to see mayo here. Was gonna refer Ungli to your video about player creativity in Eternal. Really helps people find their own playstyle in the game instead of feeling locked to what the game offers you

[@osekrottenseed666]

I think the video is pretty fucking badass

[@ppoggrzz]

You're doing great man

[@EmeraldArchive]

Remember kids, your opinions will die with you But Doom? Doom is Eternal

[@HexenStar]

The one ID made in 1993 - sure is.

[@mr.blackpitts6850]

Unironically, Doom eternal told people to get good, and a large number of them took that personally.

[@592Johno]

Agreed. I fukin love games that forces me to get gud. Rising up and overcoming the challenge is so satisfying. I don't want to run around with one gun and point and click.

[@mr.blackpitts6850]

@592Johno I, like most people probably, was initially put off by all the changes, such as weak basic melee and the faster enemies and low ammo, but once I broke away from bad habits I had developed from Doom (2016) I really started to enjoy it for what it was, so much so that I now can't go back to the 2016 version as it's too slow and easy now 😅. The key is to enjoy them both for what they are. Doom eternal simply requires more accountability on the players' part compared to 2016, where you could get by spamming the ssg or by cheesing encounters using the gauss cannon.

[@heavy5013]

I fucking loved it!

[@Duck-jc9ox]

It told them, "you need to commit to this, and be focused, and practice like it's a sport" Which is good news for a certain kind of gamer The problem is that these games have always been casual. They don't demand devotion or optimisation, though that is there if you want it. I lot of people just want to chill and relax by blowing up demons, not feel like they're meeting a high pressure deadline at work. I think eternal fails these gamers

[@ivanpetrov5255]

(2016) was fairly easy to get through with the Combat Shotgun and Grenade Launcher combo (sticky), even on UV difficulty. And I'm not a very skilled FPS player, just average. Eternal forced me to constantly switch weapons, run around, use my equipment. It was much more challenging. And the Marauder - that bitch was such a pain in the ass.

[@Jontohil2]

It was divisive because people expected it to just be more of 2016. Same things going to happen when people expect Dark Ages to be more of Eternal.

[@pepeondrugss8419]

The devs already said that it’s gonna have a completely different approach to the combat in TDA compared to eternals

[@thephoenix4093]

@@pepeondrugss8419 won't stop the crying that it's too slow before it even came out.

[@passingRakz954]

True

[@JamesGames3]

@@thephoenix4093 i just hope that the speed meter they added will shut the fans up so they can play at their own pace.

[@evan-du3vk]

For me after playing doom enternal i can't play doom 2016. I tried many times but it's too slow and empty.

[@MysteryHandle76]

DOOM 3 is the most divisive this one is pretty unanimously loved by fans

[@UngliYT]

You should read the comments in my 2016 video

[@raguel4416]

Idk about unanimously. Some people reeeally hate eternal. Doom 3 was probably more divisive at launch but I've been seeing it get a lot more love lately.

[@stealthbrawler]

​@@raguel4416and some people are suffering brain Aneurysms. Doesn't mean their thoughts and complaints are comprehensible or good. Doom Eternal is better than Doom 3. Definitively.

[@MysteryHandle76]

@@UngliYT Ngl I think all the DOOM games are divisive. I’ve seen hate DOOM 2 bc of the map and level design, people hate DOOM 3 bc it’s dark literally dark and slow, ppl hate DOOM 64 bc of the unsettling atmosphere and there isn’t as many demons, people hate Eternal bc they don’t like the gameplay loop. I always thought 3 was the most hated I’ve met people who can’t stand it more than I have people hating on Eternal but that might just be my experience so I’ll take your word for it. I enjoy all the DOOM games even 3

[@Abel_Unstable]

​@@MysteryHandle76 Whoever call Doom 3 slow never end the game and stopped halfway. After getting out of the first Hell, its a full-fledged Action with fewer puzzle, most levels are also lit up and no need for flashlight at all. So the statement of "Doom 3 is too dark and slow." Is not true at all.

[@sloaner404]

How is this game already 5 years old 💀

[@georgfranko]

Doom 2016 is 9 years old :)

[@Snowsea-gs4wu]

Because YOU are 5 years older? And everyone… LOL!

[@Српскичед-к7ч]

@@Snowsea-gs4wu shut it snowflake

[@tomlajeunesse8622]

Idk the chainsaw in eternal fills up quick enough that I barely notice ammo as long as I constantly use it when it’s pipped again

[@rzxd1]

literally, my friend complated about ammo and i was like yeah, felt like it at first but then I started using the chainsaw.

[@skarlar-rx7rj]

People need to learn to use the chain saw more and use and swap weapons

[@batarnakdekosse1312]

Using it is a nice break too ayy

[@592Johno]

​@@batarnakdekosse1312realllll sometimes I use the chainsaw as a way to get my bearings and get a little breather. Especially if my health is super critical.

[@jesspeed]

I would tell people to think about getting ammo like reloading in other FPS games. Instead of pressing a button to get your ammo back, you have to chainsaw enemies.

[@_TheAntagonist_]

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that Doom Eternal doesn't offer player expression in the gameplay, it offers a different kind of player expression. If you want to use the triple barrel turret, its completely viable but its slow on the ground, so just meathook or ballista boost into the air and empty it into the enemies below, using your double jump or ballista to extend airtime. You barely have to touch the ground in eternal if you don't want to. I keep full auto shotgun as my default, because the mastery gives you ammo for kills, thus rewarding a tight, accurate, close-range playstyle with an infinite ammo fodder killer that keeps your super shotgun topped off(you can also use it to finish off weakened larger demons for a solid ammo payoff). The microwave beam is slow in normal combat, but completely overpowered for briefly swapping to and interrupting enemies into a brief stun state. The chaingun shield can be used momentarily to block incoming projectiles or attacks, or can be used to bully and stun enemies in melee range by dashing into them and interrupting their animations. The rocket launcher has a trade off between massive lock-on damage, or stagger/airburst utility with remote det. Every attachment in the game is useful and can be supported with one or more playstyles, and if you get good at punch canceling the swap animation, you don't even have to pick any more, it's jeet kune do, and you just play however you want. You'll notice if you watch players of high skill that often their gameplay looks completely different, and that's because there isn't a hard right answer, its a puzzle and the better you are at the game the more ways of solving it there are.

[@Pope_Stormdrain]

This! 100%

[@RaidenWithBiden]

Yeah I agree! I always kind of smile that even though I play pretty well, I don't use basically anything that youtubers use. No slob, no quickswapping. My playstyle is more falter-oriented, with Micro Missiles for massive damage.

[@skywalker_7567]

Completely agree! Some people main auto shotgun, most console players love the meathook (everyone loves the meathook, but you know what I mean), I love spam dashing with the shield on the chaingun. Heck, arbalest takes out caco’s just as good as grenades, it’s all about how you want to play!

[@LaunchStar340]

I think like overall there is also expression in eternal, but with how often the game sort of presents how one should use different guns for different situations and combined with the ammo constantly making you switch guns. I can at times feel a bit more restrictive at least compared to 2016. Here’s hoping dark ages is able to hit a good in between 🙂

[@chickensofdeath490]

There is so much more creativity in Eternal than 99% of FPS just because the weapon mods are so varied, the enemies are varied and any situation you are in, depending on your resources, will push you to use different weapons on different enemies.

[@cybertramon0012]

I was someone who completed the base game, thought it was good, got all the keys and the Unmaykr. But when I played the expansion, I ended up getting turned off from the first level. Maybe it’s because I hadn’t played in the time between finishing and the DLC being released, but it felt way harder to do. I would get into combat with hordes of dangerous demons, running around to stay alive while working my way through my arsenal, trying to find fuel for the chainsaw so I could get more ammo, only to find my reward for surviving is to have another group spawn in. When I got through the last arena and struggled against the Baron of Hell, only to have yet another spawn in, my reaction was ‘Oh COME ON!’. I didn’t find it fun anymore, and I knew the rest of the levels were only going to get more difficult. And this is just a personal choice, but I preferred how Doom 2016 wasn’t arcadey. That the weapons were lying around like actual weapons instead of floating in mid air. I liked the more grounded feel.

[@gabrielc2125]

Yeah the dlc is definitely harder than the base game

[@vidc4313]

dlcs very much expect you to master the mechanics of the game. TAG2 was a lot more friendly to players who didnt play the game that much, but i can understand why it could be too much

[@garthhancock3373]

It's what happens when you turn Doom 2016 into a circus show. I couldn't stand the direction and art style of Eternal ethier.

[@unclebezi2581]

The reason maps in Eternal feel like you're just bouncing form one place to another for the sake of it, is because people complained about Doom 2016's levels looking same-y. There were memes of map screenshot getting compared to friggin lasagne! In conclusion ID decided to give us the variety for the sake of it.

[@Rez_U_Rekt]

And that was absolutely the correct choice. Every map in eternal is breathtaking.

[@unclebezi2581]

@@Rez_U_Rekt agreed

[@kingposeidon7858]

I enjoyed this game, but the atmosphere hit different in 2016. I’ve been thinking about replaying these games to see if my feelings have changed on them. Great video. 👍🏽

[@Drunde]

weird, everyone hated DOOM 2015 for not being atmospheric as DOOM 3, now it's praised for having a atmosphere? Make your shit up.

[@kingposeidon7858]

@ Doom 2016 was my first Doom game.

[@redield21]

Eternal: Less ammo on floors and forced glory kilks. Doom2016: more ammo on floors and voluntary glory kills.

[@Temnelc]

I have a very weird relationship with Eternal because when I criticise the game, I have the same points as you did, with the ammo and guns. But once I get in the game I really have a good time. However I am firmly on the side of 2016 concerning everything storytelling, artstyle and especially the gun designs. I really really miss the 2016 Plasma Gun and Gauss Cannon, and I like the rest of the guns more then their eternal counterparts.

[@tomnewsham3009]

I had no idea eternal was so decisive. It’s by far my favourite game

[@UngliYT]

Eternal rules

[@nobody-yk2hu]

I Replayed it recently I beat the final boss last night I tried out the horde mode and I still Want more when I get home I'll pick up where I left off

[@SleepyElla0173]

It is clear that people do not like Doom Eternal because it actually requires you to put in effort if you want to push yourself to be, in my opinion, the strongest version of the Doom Slayer. A recent developer direct about Doom The Dark Ages kind of explains all of why some people may not have liked Doom Eternal but liked Doom 2016 and vice versa and this is due to the way they designed the games to be. Doom Eternal was designed to make you feel like a "fighter-jet" and Doom TDA / Doom 2016 you are an "iron tank", the main difference between Doom 2016 and Doom TDA is that with Doom TDA it is going to be faster paced than Doom 2016 but not as fast as Doom Eternal, "a perfect entry point for anyone looking to get into Doom".

[@UngliYT]

I tried to get that across, but I guess I didn’t. Hey, you can’t win ‘em all.

[@FlutterSwag]

Doom Eternal felt like Piloting an Armored Core in first person with all the buttons, beeps, switching, and twitching and i loved it! i just wish we got more Master Levels

[@RaidenWithBiden]

Play mods then!

[@underthemayo]

I like your work and I think you made a good retrospective. But I'm not sure why at the 5 year point you would give weight to the claim that "eternal nullifies player creativity". It's something the fan base had to shut down for years so it kinda sucks to hear it here. And I don't even necessarily think you believe it when you say it. Because if you know the game, you know that you don't have to shoot an arachnotron turret to kill it. Throw a grenade and then full auto. Dead. Use a lock on rocket volley or an Arbalest shot on a cacodemon. Dead. There's so much creativity available to the player, and I don't accept the claim that player creativity = being able to use just one gun all day. There are rules to any game, and creativity within those rules. The rules of 2016 were that you had to be aggressive and not hide behind cover. If your idea of player freedom was that you want to be able to hide behind cover, then 2016 was "restricting your creativity" by forcing you into aggression. So, a 99% great video. But I think your statements on creativity could use a little more time in the oven.

[@jurajfrano7272]

I basically made the same point here. You find creativity within clearly defined rules, otherwise what even do we play games for?

[@UngliYT]

Yep. Seems like I missed the mark by an extremely wide margin. And the animosity from these comments (not this one) have absolutely made sure I don’t discuss Doom again.

[@underthemayo]

@@UngliYT well that's unfortunate. You don't deserve any kind of animosity for that. I'm sorry you've had to deal with such ugliness. People are awful, and more so every year. When dealing with the "no creativity" thing it always comes from people screaming and bitching about the game, so I think people are conditioned to lash out at this point because we're nearly universally dealing with bad actors. But people need to recognize when they're talking to someone who's expressing a genuine appreciation for the game and treat them with some freaking respect.

[@carloscruz8541]

Wroooong, in the past years I’ve picked up doom again and again to replay, over doom eternal. Doom eternal does NOT feel creative. The way you listed on how to kill a certain enemy, is really the only way you can kill that enemy, some guns just aren’t viable against certain enemy’s because of how much they got rid of the creativeness that comes with killing ANY enemy with ANY weapon in ANY way. Whereas eternal, there’s only one right way that was INTENTIONALLY designed for the player to beat the enemy with a certain gun, certain swap, and a certain weak spot. I can’t even watch eternal gameplay cause it gets so boring seeing the same combos, same technique, same weapon swaps and it all just becomes repetitive. 2016 didn’t have that, you can use whatever gun to kill whatever enemy, although SOOOME methods were better, the freedom to just run and shoot and rip and tear with whatever you wanted IS STILL amazing, and since your pushed to run and gun instead of cover all the time, really makes you feel like a powerhouse regardless of how you play. And the music just seals the deal, the amount of work that went into 2016s music is still, to me, unmatched. I get ready to rip and tear whenever I replay DOOM 2016🔥🔥

[@burnttoast.2017]

​@@UngliYTI think giving up on any commentary about Doom because of a few hate comments is kinda stupid, tbh, mate. Not saying their hate is justified, just that you ought to expect it at this point. People sometimes are assholes, and you can learn to ignore them. I do think you're gonna need to grow some thicker skin if your channel ever blows up. But eh, what do I know. I'm just some internet random.

[@skywalker_7567]

The chainsaw roughly refills every 15 secs, so when you get good with quick swapping and personalizing your play style, you can still have plenty of ammo in eternal

[@adrian_veidt]

I didn't know it was divisive. The game was significantly better than 2016. Better combat, faster pace, music and more satisfying for me. The weapon switching really irked me in the beginning and lack of ammo. But once you get the hang of it, it was a blast. You wanna talk about divisive? That's Doom 3 lol

[@UngliYT]

Check out the comments of my 2016 vid. It’s all about which was better and which they didn’t like

[@33connorkenway33]

It's not better than 2016

[@jurajfrano7272]

@@33connorkenway33if you value how the systems work together, compliment each other and you also value dance-like flow to the combat, then the game is undeniably better than 2016. It's literally the best, most intricate shooter combat system that was ever created, or at least that I know of.

[@hundinger1]

@@33connorkenway33 For me it is. By far. Matter of preference.

[@georgfranko]

2016 > eternal

[@gameindustryinsider6450]

DOOM 2016 excelled due to its brutal simplicity. Eternal was overly complex, with a tedious resource management system (including “push this bottom every ten seconds” for amor), every enemy requiring a different approach and a long winded narrative I could care less about. The gameplay felt like work compared to its prequel, and everything that was fast and fun before became tedious button mashing.

[@JackGibson-k6x]

Great video and I contend that for a general audience your breakdown about weak points, ammo economy, etc is wholly valid and it's unambiguously true that a lot of people did complain about and not enjoy that the game points you very strongly at a particular way of playing. At this point a lot of us can rip and tear hud-less on nightmare while largely ignoring the weakpoint system and weapon weaknesses, but you can bet your butt that I, and a lot of others, played much closer to the "prescribed" strategy on our first playthrough. Great vid, liked and subbed

[@guilhermesoares9773]

Slow down my guy, I had already subscribed after watching the Doom (2016) review, no need to hit us with another banger of a video I'm really looking forward for any future videos, great work dude

[@thegamingnerd4]

Doom: Eternal is a fanstastically made game, but it's not one I find myself coming back to very often. When I have the energy to spare, it's an awesome experience analyzing fights, executing cool combos, and generally just being a badass. The problem is that it's just too much for me to enjoy casually. Doom: 2016 is a lot more chill, there's more freedom of what I can use without having to think too hard about every action I make. It's the same reason I enjoy Warframe; get in, put on some KZbin, choose a gun, and kill shit.

[@thegamingnerd4]

Also, I much prefer the art direction of 2016. Eternal's enemies are too cartoony for my tastes.

[@undeadwarfare828]

The platforming in Eternal is way more foregiving than in Doom 2016.In 2016, some of the platforming was difficult for me, because it was hard to reach certain secrets and you were killed instantley if you fell.

[@UngliYT]

Great point

[@el_dani]

@@UngliYT i think this is wrong. Sure there are some jumps you could die, but this is part of the secret hunt. In Eternal there are literally show stopers: do these sequences of jumps and chain dash, if you don‘t see the sequence (because of detailed graphics) you can‘t proceed - never had any stop moment in Doom 2016 (except for the first hell level where it‘s a bit loopy).

[@Shadow_Company_01]

Doom 2016 has you run and gun eternal has you jump and gun and doom the dark age has you stand your ground

[@DeadPixel1105]

Yes, we know. We all heard Hugo say that in the presentation. What's with this trend of just mindlessly repeating something that everyone has already heard? You're not clever or saying anything new.

[@JesseP.321]

Word for word

[@doompunk64]

@@DeadPixel1105 zoomers in a nutshell

[@Lord_Buckles]

The point on Eternals story is that it doesn't want to commit to being too narrative focused to keep the gameplay at the forefront but also wants it to have way more lore based characters and environment which makes story far more messy and hard to follow than in 2016 which is much simpler but also a bit deeper and much better for the player to be focused throughout the entire plot and game. one of my biggest gripes of eternal is just how the story is really just week in comparison to 2016 even though its much simpler and doesn't nearly matter as much which I think is bad, also a lot of retconning in TAG undermines 2016 which wasn't the play in my own opinion. Both these games are amazingly different and I wouldn't have it either way, they both have different enjoyable tones and gameplay loops which I think makes the franchise much more enjoyable and longer lasting. Truly timeless games like the original.

[@pegatrisedmice]

I barely followed the stories of 2016/Eternal but in terms of "vibes" i definitely prefer 2016. It felt more focused and almost personal, with doom guy being more like a passenger, which makes sense, because Doom was never about the doom guy, it was about the stuff happening around him. I don't mind when they're teasing us with some cool reveals about the doom guy, how they did in the main campaign in eternal, but that lobster boss in tag2 was like the most anticlimactic ending ever to an otherwise nearly perfect game.

[@gutfriedvonguttenberg5614]

Even when I focused on the story and lore, tryed to keep everything in mind and read everything, it just felt weird you meet some guy, for the first time ever in the game, he acts like you already know him, and by the end, you still have no real idea who he actually is. And then, suddenly, you have to kill his son? The bits and pieces of the story you get, and the way they’re ordered, just feel messy It’s like they expect you to have been at the pitch meeting or something

[@Autumn-pr8ve]

I think the criticism that you don't have freedom to choose your guns is rooted in truth but largely overblown. As soon as you get down the gameplay loop of the chainsaw you can choose to stick to your favorites. Yes there are tactical advantages of using certain types of weapons however I find that there are usually 2 or 3 options at any given time to perform a function. Want to take out an arachnotron turret? You can use the precision bolt sure, but how about the sticky bomb, or blood punch, or the ballista. Definitely far from being limited to one way of interacting with that system. My default is the flaming meathook ssg + ballista and I'll switch to other weapons if they happen to fit the bill better but I generally can just run through everything with those 2 guns. By the time I run out of ssg ammo my chainsaw is up again.

[@derackJobama]

I hated eternal, tried and liked 2016 after a playthrough, then went back to eternal and never looked back. I feel like it comes down to how people play single player games and how eternal was lowkey designed against that. Eternal has its own metas and tech, as if its a multiplayer game. And diving in and engaging with that across multiple playthroughs, dlcs and the master levels is how you get the most out of the game imo. Most single player games are intuitive and comfortable enough for a single playthrough to be satisfying enough for singleplayer gamers. And i think thats what it comes down to between 2016 and Eternal. Do you want to pick up a shooter and have a mindlessly good time for a 10 hour playthrough once a year? Or do you want to sweat by yourself and master tech and metas in solitude for hours on end for your own satisfaction? 600+ hours into Eternal, and I'm almost finished with a spray n pray playthrough with only the autoshotty, heavy cannon w/ micro missiles, plasma rifle w/ heatblast, and the mobile turret---just because im bored of how everyone else plays it. The game lets you do what you want if you know what you're doing, but its so chaotic in the beginning that even I hated the first half of my first playthrough. I also feel that enjoying the game past the first playthrough enlists you into the UndertheMayo echo chamber essentially, in terms of other fans and their opinions, their advice on how to play the game, etc. Just my opinion after marinating on the games and community for 4 years and a couple hundred hours.

[@jacobgangwer2749]

Once eternal clicked for me, it became one of my favorite games ever. So much raw fun.

[@IgnisBeard07]

i don't know how i found your video, but yeah, great vid, good editing, might watch more from you right now

[@CaptainMcKayRandom]

Just came here from Mayo’s video. I watched your Doom videos over the last few days and found them entertaining, it’s always great getting some perspective from someone new talking about the franchise. I agreed with a lot of your points, and there were a few things that you and I see differently, but hey, that’s fine. I enjoyed this video and your 2016 one. Subscribed, and I hope you continue to make Doom videos when Dark Ages comes out!

[@UngliYT]

I don’t really see myself talking about Doom 2016 or Eternal. But there will be a Dark Ages video ❤️

[@OnTheArchipelago]

I prefer Eternal, but 2016 is also awesome. I like doom. Looking forward to watching this video.

[@xSkully_H]

When comparing to Eternal, Doom 2016 feels like a tech demo.

[@MrLim-wq2gn]

There is literally nothing to compare both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. I personally enjoy them both at all.

[@gutfriedvonguttenberg5614]

1:55 Tbh, that’s not true, somethings are better, some are worse The goo and the Marauder (to not even counting the DLC stuff) really pushed the whole “float like a butterfly, sting like a goddamn Cazador on drugs” thing down again The jumping sections and even the occasional “puzzles” slowed the pacing The Doom Slayer himself got a bit of a dude-ification and he doesn’t even feel as relentless anymore. Sure, there’s more ironic fun and a cool over-the-top comic book vibe, but at a cost I would have loved the arcadey design way more if it didn’t feel slapped onto a story and vibe that’s trying way too hard to be the most badass, over-the-top nonsense possible. It wanted to be peak Doom, the absolute max. Angel-slaying, god-killing, titans running wild, the destruction of Hell’s entire energy production, and so on. It doesn’t feel like there’s anything left that could possibly top this. But it wanted to be goofy on top of that. the vibe always felt off for me Interactions with the world got dumbed down to just “punch and it disappears” instead of ripping out control panels with different animations And the story and stuff… well… Even the music, how the hell did we got to Borderlands AFK background music??? (4:00) It’s not all turned up to 11, it’s just more stuff crammed in with less polish or thought behind it. It´s not bad but can feel rushed and cluttered, A hit or miss and sometimes even by accident, it seems I mean, aiming for the weak point of a Revenant is nice, but honestly, it’s more of a waste of time in a game that isn’t about giving you any Back in 2016, I actually used every weapon and picked "my" right tool for each enemy. In Eternal, while it’s clearly not meant to be this way, you can just roll with the super shotgun/ rocket launcher and do just fine. And by the end of it, you will be playing like that You get so used to running, hooking, and chainsawing every chance you get that you might as well just keep going. No time to switch weapons that much, but there’s always time to dodge bullets till you can throw a granade, freeze someone or chainsaw someone. But changing weapons almost feels like a mistake. Don´t got the right tool already in hand? wrogn weapon and need to change the mod? just move a different path and keep shooting what you got, maybe prepare the quick swap in a saw 1/4 a second to be ready next time, but till then you might actually have to fight the next enemy that needs a different tool again. So you stick to the ones that can deal with everything one way or another And before you tell me to git gut, I already beat every mission and its variations on Nightmare. If UN had bonus lives (which I’m not really a fan of), I might actually bother with it. But no, one mistake or an unexpected spawn isn’t worth my time to repaly an entire mission. my respect for everyone that got it done. and damn there are some insane people out there (skill level wise) If anything, I got too good at moving through arenas to feel the need to kill anything too special with anything but the rocket launcher. Or I’d just go all in hook-punch-nade-super shotgun a mancubus or baron while dodging their counterattacks Great game, but it´s a step back after all In the end, enjoy what you want, but I’ll keep bringing up the “Marauder issue” (and no, it’s not about difficulty, but never force something this much (like they did again with the Spirit in the DLC, or the gargoyle, I do not want to use the spray n pray mode) it just disrupts the flow) I will keep bringing it up as a signal for the devepoment of next Doom game. Even though it won’t matter anymore by now for Dark Ages

[@urazoktay7940]

Doom Eternal is never letting you play the way you want, choose the weapon you want. Yes that's a good analysis. On the other hand Doom 2016 gives you complete freedom gameplay wise. And yes this is frustrating. Gameplay wise i choose Doom 2016 over Doom Eternal for this reason alone.

[@johndexterzarate6663]

....Also got to add that "forced" animations for every melee attack with I-frames. And the fighter jet analogy is spot on because you always needed to land to "reload" your payload that is specialized in one Very specific target, which sucks.

[@King_Jockey]

can you elaborate on what u mean by "Eternal not letting you choose the wpn you want" ?

[@urazoktay7940]

@@King_Jockey It forces you to use flame belch, meat hook, blood punch, grenade, dash, chainsaw, double jump, etc you just can't play the game run and gun. You can't play Doom Eternal th way you can play Doom 2016. If you want to play the game like Doom 2016 the game becomes so hard.

[@Slayer_-qs1mk]

Roses are red Demons are nocturnal Hell might be infinite But Doom is Eternal

[@JamesGames3]

i thought it went Roses are red Demons are nocturnal Halo might be infinite But Doom is Eternal

[@narebman]

@@Slayer_-qs1mk where do I buy this t shirt

[@Slayer_-qs1mk]

@JamesGames3 tweaked it up coz halo wasn't a subject matter in the video

[@Slayer_-qs1mk]

@narebman maybe print it out?

[@NovaPrime-91]

Doom eternal & Doom 2016 is fucking amazing than again i love DOOM

[@anonymousprime948]

You can absolutely incorporate the mobile turret, using nades to falter will help you. Just don’t use them at the same time. Use the second nade just as they’re about to get up prolonging their inability to fight back. The energy shield is better because it’s broken but mobile is still good. As long as you’re not only spamming mobile you should be fine.

[@TZmayo]

I think my biggest gripe gameplay wise about eternal, especially when it first came out is that the basic melee does zero damage.

[@UngliYT]

You’d think in that suit, his regular punch would be the blood punch

[@RacingSnails64]

Yeah, I wish it still did enough damage to put zombies into glorykill. I can understand not wanting players to spam it against heavier enemies, but they could've made it simply not falter them or something so it's dangerous to spam up close. As well, it's not like you ever run out of ammo for literally every single gun, but it would've been a nice option to at least get that zombie glorykill if you were running low on ammo.

[@TZmayo]

@RacingSnails64 exactly, i shouldnt have to waste ammo on literal fodder if i dont want to

[@Halfroho]

I really struggled with Doom Eternal to the point I'd give up, such a contrast to 2016 where I felt like I was the Doomslayer due to his shear power

[@yourfacemeetsmyfist]

Yeah, very fortunately eternal doesn't hand you the power fantasy on a silver plate

[@KVROACEGG]

You feel way more powerful in eternal, as long as you use all the mechanics, since you need to play way more fast and aggressively, and I don't think it's that hard, ultra-violence is the perfect balance of being challenging at times but also being a power fantasy. I wonder what difficulty did you pick, nightmare is fun for replays.

[@vidc4313]

thats the point. 2016 gave you that fantasy without asking much in return. Its a very forgiving game that leads new players into arena shooters where as Eternal expects you understand how these games work and makes you actually play the game to earn that fantasy

[@SaverioStyle]

Ok but the flick at 12:53 was fire brother. 🔥

[@TV-MA.x_x.]

Friendly reminder if you love Doom Eternal, Shadow Warrior 3 is a must play.

[@mike13foxtrot79]

Whenever I fire up the gaming rig, I play at least a level of Eternal, which I just upgraded to a 7800x and 64GB ram. Saved 150.00 on both at Cincinnati Micro Center. Built in Feb 2020. Then found 2016 for 9 bucks at Wally world. Then beat the game by Mar then of course Eternal was released. So now go from 10 years of not playing to 4TB of stored games. Now 8 core CPU all for Dark Ages. Built my desktop, Gaming rig is behind me. I still have the Original DOOM floppy disks. Built the PC in 1994, to better play DOOM. First FPS was Wolfenstein 3D shareware. Then DOOM. The comments I get are those who start with Eternal then go on to 2016 and Doom's past.

[@nativegamer3384]

another neat thing id like to point out about the recharging abilities is it has a sound cue when things are recharged aswell

[@ryanc970]

Well now that this video has gotten a reaction and I admittedly sperged out a bit too much in the comments earlier, I will say I respect this video for considering all perspectives and both sides on this topic. Every other video I've seen about this game is all about either why it's great or why it sucks and this is probably the only video I've seen that tries to understand both of those views and explain why you love it but also why you can understand why other people don't. When it comes to accomplishing that goal you did a great job

[@UngliYT]

You had valid criticisms concerning my invalid ones. There is NOTHING wrong with that. People need to be called out on their misinformed opinions and statements, and that includes me.

[@Past00000]

Doom Eternal just makes me enjoy playing the game more because its kind of th first game that is THAT arcade like that i played. Since i've played it i can understand people complaining about "videogames aren't what they used to be" because games nowdays are simply too easy at the hardest difficulity level or straight up unfair towards the player, whereas in Doom Eternal it is still the same game but actually made straight up harder without the use of unnecessary restrictions or modifications to the gameplay.

[@Martianplier]

Another banger upload. I hope your channel grows. Btw will you do a dark ages review when it comes out?

[@UngliYT]

Judging by the animosity from some of these comments, and surely more to come, probably not.

[@Martianplier]

@UngliYT aight.

[@UngliYT]

But between you and me, maybe I need to toughen that skin up. So I won’t say I’m not going to. Especially if the chance arises to do it early along with everyone else.

[@Martianplier]

@@UngliYT aw yeah

[@richoversteers]

@@UngliYT As someone with a thousand hours in each of these games who is so sick to death of the constant 2016 vs Eternal argument I mostly avoid Doom these days, I've really enjoyed your videos and would be keen to see you do The Dark Ages as well. It's so unfortunately rare to see decent takes presented in such a balanced way.

[@genki23]

I love both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal, I found both games to be great. I didn’t know it was so divisive

[@UngliYT]

They are both absolutely excellent. But a lot of people feel VERY strongly that one is better than the other.

[@PotatoFullxd172]

Oh yeah this vid is gonna do amazing brother I can already tell

[@Saurion1]

Doom Eternal stans can't stand when someone doesn't enjoy it as much as they did. It was an ok game. In my opinion, 2016 was way superior in most ways. Eternal fans will be arguing with me and calling me a noob/casual for saying this, and say shit like their opinions are hard facts. It's always the same shit, they're so predictable.

[@SteCollects]

When you get in a rhythm in DE, it fucks hard. The flow just works so well. The dlc especially makes you use every single tool you have else you will simply die. It forces you to adapt to the system and use everything before you use your chainsaw.

[@UngliYT]

I love Eternal

[@wodensthrone5215]

I still enjoy Doom 2016 more than Eternal, glad to see Doom the Dark Ages taking it back to what Doom 2016 is but better

[@threadsoflifebooks1878]

Doom might be Eternal, but I got a hunch it's heading for a Dark Age.

[@UngliYT]

If there’s not an Army of Darkness reference, I’ll be pretty upset.

[@massaosaito4084]

First, Mick Gordon's work on both Doom games is PHENOMENAL, so is infuriating how he was mistreated. OST aside, I have MANY problems with Eternal, like: - Oversaturated colors that borders on selfparody territory (visual clarity is important, but Eternal far overdo it); - Ammo capacity is ridiculously low, and the excuses giving by the devs for they changed it between games scream "my way or the highway", which is a shame since I love a lot of the additions brought by Eternal, hookshot-fucking-shotgun, anyone???; - TALKING ABOUT "BOSSES"! Doomhunter bothers me a lot more than the Marauder. Why? Simple, I did not have the kill a second Marauder 3 seconds after the first encounter! The second Doomhunter made me quit the game for good, cuz it completely broke the uniquiness of the encounter after having a whole lvl to hyped that super special single enemy hand-picked to kill the Doomslayer, fecking hell... - Lastly, why 50 to 75% of the lvls in Doom Eternal are platformers? I want a violent FPS, not a colorful Mario BROS with guns ... Damn it, that was a lot XD No offense to who loves Eternal, but I bounced off the game hard cuz all of the above

[@UngliYT]

I actually thought it was hilarious after killing the doom hunter and getting dropped into an arena with two of them. Like I laughed out loud. But while I loved Eternal, I get why people wouldn’t. Here’s hoping Dark Ages does it for you ❤️

[@massaosaito4084]

@@UngliYT I disagree with your love for Eternal, but the way you present things is so civil that I loved your video, and you showed again and agin points that really bother me in Eternal, great job mate

[@UngliYT]

@@massaosaito4084 you can’t be expected to like everything. It’s just not possible. As long as we can all agree that Doom in general is excellent, it’s all good ❤️

[@massaosaito4084]

@@UngliYT agree, and to clarify, I honestly like your video and what your presented, but as you showed that you understand, a LOT of Eternal changes made me hate it. Since I'm here: Doom 3 is a good game, but a bad follow-up to Doom 2. Here, video suggestion/provocation XD

[@Nailfut]

I'm just glad Eternal came out as it did: the perfect game for me, the only shooter to satisfy that internal itch. 2016 was an excellent game, a great return to form with some added innovations that pushed the genre forward, however I also loved Wolfenstein The New Order, the true starter of this old school fps shooter rennaissance and to me both made for a perfect modern experience, while never being able to surpass other great entries. Eternal did that. Eternal is to me the best fps since Half-Life 2. I can play, and have played it, Eternal on Ultra Nightmare without breaking a sweat, I enter the zone, I'm in the flow all while feeling relaxed. I'm glad they went this way, I got my perfect game, now they're free to try other things, which The Dark Ages is doing: different offerings, different experiences for different tastes but with one core ideal in common: become the brutal monster-killing machine we were always meant to be.

[@UngliYT]

Turbo Overkill is extremely similar to Eternal and is absolutely excellent. I’d recommend it. I also love the new wolfenstein games. Especially the old blood

Great vid man

[@jeffersonbellon4432]

When i first tried eternal couldn't pass the first enemy and unistalled the game, later I downloaded it again and took the time to learn and became one of my favorite games, the phase of this game and the music is unique

[@Shreddinstan]

Doom Eternal kicks way more ass than 2016 in my opinion, I can't wait for The Dark Ages!

[@krzysiekj2522]

Dark Ages will be more of the 2016, they are ditching the gameplay of the Eternal. Rightfully so, I might add

[@greekpestnyc3145]

@@krzysiekj2522 I dont think it’s going to follow Eternal or 2016’s shoes for that matter. It’s gonna do it’s own thing and I can’t wait for it.

[@greekpestnyc3145]

@ really? where?

[@krzysiekj2522]

@@greekpestnyc3145 in one of the dev talks. There were a few that I've seen already, I believe it was one of the earliest ones close to the reveal.

[@doompunk64]

If you want the adhd zoomer gameplay of eternal, you’re gonna be disappointed big time.

[@Melchizidek777]

Doom Eternal: the first person shooter about using gymnastics in defeat your enemies while only being able to carry 8 shotgun shells. The doom slayer can’t be weighted down by all that ammo while moving at the speed of autism. Ok it’s not a bad game, takes skill for sure but some of the criticisms in this video are genuine.

[@draketheduelist]

What was the most frustrating for me in Eternal was that I don't have twenty very long fingers. Hypothetically, if I could play the game with the power of thought, it'd be fine. But try as I did, I never found a keybinding that actually worked for me. I can't get my head around literally having to lift my hand from the WASD to use some of the higher-numbered weapons. I needed to get a special mouse with _twelve_ aux buttons just to be able to attempt to use the basic mechanics (which makes the game _physically_ unplayable on my laptop setup which wasn't designed around needing an extra square foot of counter space for a mousepad). When you need thirty different commmands instantly accessible at any given time, that's getting a little too _Guitar Hero_ for my tastes. Also, the idea of having to save the "popcorn zombies" specifically to chainsaw through is stupidly fiddly, especially by the time you get to the frozen areas. It's like... do you want me to _kill_ the demons or not? "Rip and tear... except those guys. Save them. They're special."

[@UngliYT]

I can play any game KBM, Doom included, but I feel like it was designed with controllers in mind. I mean even with KBM, you can pull up a weapon wheel. I started recording that way, but I felt like the footage was too “twitchy”. Controller is slower but looks smoother. Easier to watch. IMO

[@martianbandit6912]

Gr8 vid-essay!🎉 keep it up!

[@10BAMA]

Yo bro, amazing video , yes the gameplay and combat is the best aspect of improvement imo , since it's hella fast paced and allows for a lotttt of movement, just wanted to ask how do you get that color gradient on the hud ? It's looks fucking amazing

[@UngliYT]

It’s a setting in the visuals. The green was hard on my eyes.

[@chozochiefxiii3298]

I'm probably just bad at the new doom games, but ultra violence is that perfect sweet spot for me to feel challenged and appreciate the combat. Doom eternal is the ninja gaiden 2 of fps games.

[@GunzIsWearier]

Gets a shout out from under the mayo! Congrats dude

[@UngliYT]

I just wish it was under better terms…

[@neighbourhoodmusician]

The story is silly Saturday morning cartoon stuff, but my god the gameplay is refined to an art form. I haven't played in a while but it kept me entertained and young difficulty for like 3 years.

[@UngliYT]

I LOVE the Saturday morning cartoon story lol. Also yea gameplay is killer

[@neighbourhoodmusician]

@UngliYT I think I got what you mean about the gameplay though. It's like Dark Souls, there are strict constraints imposed on you by the game that force you into its groove, which feels restrictive compared to the easier Doom 2016, but once you 'get it' and adjust your approach to those constraints then there's a lot of creative expression available within those constraints.

[@UngliYT]

@ that’s the ticket

[@el_dani]

I quited when I had to show perfect jump sequences: I‘ve got Celeste or N++ for precision tasks.

[@xenodrake4008]

contrary to most comments here, i prefer 2016 by a long shot. Just clicked with me more i guess

[@rockkiller124]

Love both Eternal & 2016, can't wait for the prequel The Dark Ages

[@UngliYT]

Saaaaaaame

[@borediideath6526]

My only criticism about Eternal is that it’s kinda slow at the start, though it does pick up a lot once you unlock the dash move. Personally, I kinda like how the Marauder and Doom Hunter are both introduced as bosses. Because it allows the game to demonstrate how different they are from the rest of the enemies to new players and how to kill them. I still remember my first encounter with both enemies, the cutscenes warming up the player with a kind of excitement you’d get when you pick up a comic book where the hero fights a brand new supervillain, and that sweet satisfaction and sense of accomplishment when you finally kill then for the first time.

[@Big_RandyTM]

Man, I love Eternal’s gameplay, but I think a lot of people will agree that the Marauder is such a pain in the ass

[@UngliYT]

I never had a problem but I see why people don’t like him

[@nothingelse1520]

After my first playthrough I play Eternal with a mod that doubles ammo. It improves my enjoyment of the game.

[@UngliYT]

Nice

[@DTA707]

I've been playing Doom since the 90s and thought I was pretty good, then Eternal came out and reminded me I'm not. I don't remember another shooter taking me that long to get good at. The marathon battles are exhausting but really satisfying. Someday I hope to play on something other than Don't Hurt Me 😂

[@Antonio-f8d]

I think it really comes down to the skill ceiling being higher, but the skill floor rising as well (though I’d argue it wasn’t that bad, since I was able to beat it on normal mode without really getting stuck on anything other than a slayer gate or my first few marauder encounters, my first time through) which invited the more hardcore players and somewhat alienated the less serious players, who then were upset because they expected something similar to the last game, but id software said they never want to make the same game.

[@UngliYT]

To be clear, I liked eternal and didn’t have any problems with it. I was trying to present the argument of WHY someone who didn’t like it would feel that way.

[@Antonio-f8d]

@ I haven’t watched the full thing yet but from what I saw i didn’t think you disliked it, I just said that because I remember having an opinion that was similar to what I commented when I first saw people angry about the game.

[@nerdoutreachprogram5358]

Eternal is tailor made for Nightmare and Ultra Nightmare play, that’s where it absolutely shines. And I don’t blame anyone at all for playing on lower difficulties, Nightmare and Ultra Nightmare can fucking consume your entire gaming mind.

[@arkham9500]

Doom 2016 feels like enjoying the game and its difficult. Doom eternal feels like testing myself and trying to be better, trust me I play in console and it is really hard, specially the master levels

[@Struct.3]

I love Eternal but i agree there were many steps in the wrong direction for me. 1. The comic style and graphics 2. The focus on this grand story 3. The lack of horror vibe 4. The "forced gameplay" you practically have to kill the cacademon with a grenade, or else you're being incredibly inefficient. 5. Melee is worthless. Other than that i love the increased speed, movability. Addition of flame belch and frost grenade. Blood punch is great, if only they didn't make the regular punch hit like a soft pillow.

[@noobeternal9718]

Hi, I understand Eternal doesn't click with everyone, and I agree with points 1 to 3. But the gameplay is not that forced, cacodemon is easily put into glory kill state with a grenade but experienced players use other tools like Ballista which is even more efficient at killing them. And melee isn't useless, when charged blood punchs are an incredible tool.

[@Rez_U_Rekt]

I can also insta kill a cacodemon with the Gauss cannon siege mode in 2016, so is that bad design too or what?

[@Struct.3]

@ well, it's not as much no, it just does a ton of damage, and you can kill them with any weapon there without feeling like you wasted ammo or did it super ineffectively. In eternal, if you try to kill them with anything else, its gonna take 10x more ammo. the gauss cannon uses loads of ammo, and its damage is scaled relatively.

[@Rez_U_Rekt]

@@Struct.3 I can kill a cacodemon in eternal with just a lock on rocket barrage or 1 shot with the ballista weapon mod, with a grenade like you mentioned, with a precision bolt and super shotgun combo etc. I'm sry partner, but I don't see how any of these options is not "optimal" when he dies in 3 seconds by all of these options.

[@gutfriedvonguttenberg5614]

@@Rez_U_Rekt Tbh, I’ve never not picked the grenade mod for the shotgun first. But I guess the early game can be a real pain if you make the mistake of thinking, “Full-auto shotgun? Cool!”

[@norman_osboolin]

Awesome video! Would you ever consider making a following video about the Ancient Gods DLC? Love to get your take on the encounters, music, plot insanity, and overall enjoyment of those challenging dlcs.

[@UngliYT]

No. I’ll make a video on The Dark Ages, but I won’t be returning to 2016 or Eternal.

[@nativegamer3384]

some neat things some of the useless mods do like the micro missiles for example completely bypass the doom hunters shields. the full auto now drops ammo with kills but still only really useful in the dlc.

[@otogaal6098]

You know that chainsaw is for making ammo?...,tacticaly, experienced you never be without ammo, rise up difficulty often

[@UngliYT]

What

[@ninjakid225]

I think Doom Eternal is the best Doom game to date (pre Dark Ages as that game hasnt come out yet), its fast and makes you feel powerful. Sure they take your ability to spam the SSG away by making you learn quick swapping, but if you only use 1 weapon to deal with enemies then you lose the whole reason theres an arsenal to begin with. The only 2 weapons that are used after the upgradss are mastered in Doom 2016 are The SSG and the Railgun with Siege Mode mastery because of the ridiculously insane DPS. Now, you got to swap and master not only your weapons mods, but the arsenal itself to "Git Gud" at the game. The story is dope as hell, including the DLCs wont touch more on that. I think the knly complaint i really have is the lack of exploration options. Feels too linear but thats a minor issue.

[@UngliYT]

I foresee Dark Ages being my favorite

[@ninjakid225]

@UngliYT agreed

[@remnantgaming716]

I'd actually advocate that DOOM Eternal pushes for more expression, as opposed to "yanking it away". The weapons aren't as locked to their roles as you make it seem. You can bust weak points with well landed rockets for example, you don't need to use the precision bolt or the ballista. Under The Mayo is a great person to look at regarding expression. Whenever I see his gameplay it's immediately apparent to me that it is him playing and not anyone else because of how much he can express himself through the way he uses weapons. That's just my 2 cents though Sorry, just saw your pinned comment. Gonna keep this here though because I'm not afraid to look stupid aha. Great video btw!

[@bigurethra]

I’m so glad they’re doing away with the arcadey and cartoony shit in the dark ages, easily the worst thing in eternal.

[@dissuede6949]

Amen!

[@nerdoutreachprogram5358]

Hugo said the Dark Ages will be a different feel than 2016 or Eternal, and I’m fucking excited about it. However long it’s been, I’ve not grown tired of either game because no matter how much you play or how much you improve, they always leave you feeling that _you can be better._

[@UngliYT]

While I was wrong in my assessment of player expression, Eternal still rules. It’s MY preferred game. And I’m very much looking forward to talking about Dark Ages. Doom, but fantasy. A match made in heaven. (Or Hell lol)

[@nerdoutreachprogram5358]

@ you’re not entirely wrong, there were a lot of people initially that didn’t fall in love with Eternal. But I think now, the majority of people (like myself) who would find your video randomly like I did are people who are and have been diehard fans since release.

[@عيسىعبدالله-ل1ح]

I made the transition to PC around 2020 and as someone who considers both modern Doom games to be among my favorite FPS (Ultrakill is the GOAT), I have to say-these games with MKB and high framerate are absolute game changers. What became with Eternal in that many people's relatively early impressions led them to believe that the weak point system incentivized certain weapons and mods over others suddenly became obvious that there's much more efficient ways to off enemies than what you're initially led to believe. Frankly, it's a skill issue to think so. I see no reason on that point alone to hold 2016 over Eternal. You can like 2016 for many reasons, but feeling like you're coerced by the game to play a certain way with regards to optimal play inidicates that one should probably experiment more and work on creative solutions. Also, watching very good players can help see through this.

[@RacingSnails64]

Great video! I do prefer the tone and atmosphere of 2016, but man, Eternal's combat is insane. I'm sure plenty have said it by now, but you're not actually forced to break weakpoints, it only feels that way at first when you're still getting comfortable with all the mechanics. I've done various challenge runs with my least preferred gun mods and even NO gun mods, and the game is still playable and beatable. Depending on mod choice, you can make your guns weakpoint breakers or raw damage dealers, meaning you can make any loadout work in this game, which is great for creativity and expression. And if you're good enough with your mobility, you can just straight up dodge Arachnotron and Mancubus fire. Ammo seems annoyingly low at first, but it teaches you to make your shots count and to figure out more efficient strategies. On the Flame Belch and Blood Punch, at first they seem like too much, I won't lie. I actually didn't use them during my first playthrough haha. But once you get comfortable with the game, they're such a great source of depth. The Flame Belch isn't necessary for survival, but it helps you tank extra damage. I LOVE burning groups of fodder and taking them out with a single rocket, so satisfying. The Blood Punch is best used as a crowd-clearer for when you get cornered, but it also breaks weakpoints and falters even superheavies, so you can use it defensively or offensively. The platforming isn't realistic no, but I've also come to find it really fun. You can bounce between walls as quickly as you can look and press jump, and even learn shortcuts to beat sections faster. I find it to be an extension of the game's speed and mobility. My favorite platforming levels are Super Gore Nest, Mars Core, and Urdak.

[@UngliYT]

I liked the platforming.

[@MYNAMEISFROWNER]

I think it's a great but imperfect game. I personally don't like the dashing, and the weapon mods need work, but that's really it.

[@juliocesar-po6hu]

For me eternal was really good but the combat was really exhausting after one level or one and half, while doom 2016 i was able to beat 1/4 of the game in one sitting and not getting exhausted.

[@UngliYT]

It is exhausting, but in the best possible way for me. But yea after like 2 levels, I had to take a break. Like jeez

[@CrimeGaming1337]

You precisely describe the issues that I had with this game compared to DOOM 2016 :D. I hope DOOM The Dark Ages is more like 2016.

[@UngliYT]

I think it’ll be its own thing and it’ll garner its own fans like Eternal and 2016 have. Just gotta wait and see, but I’ll give my opinion on it when it comes out.

[@CrimeGaming1337]

@UngliYT Yeah it looks somewhat unique, more grounded. Also they want to make the mechanics less complex. Sounds appealing, ultimately you are right, we can just wait and see.

[@kdot9122]

i came here from underthemayo and was sad to see the comments being so rough, i disagree with some points you made plenty of others have mentioned but it offered a new perspective i appreciate. Eternal turned me into way more of a doom fan than i would have if it never released, I have trouble coming back to 2016 now that I’ve sunk so many hours into eternal and got accustomed to the high octane pace

[@UngliYT]

I love Eternal.

[@ravp123]

I think the most divisive part of Doom Eternal are the platforming sections. Personally I don't mind them, after replaying the game several times I just got used to them. But... I would agree that they feel off. Like some bullshit Mario platofrming levels in "my doom game", which seems to be just very out of place and they break the immersion. The only "platforming" level that makes sense to me is on Mars, but sections with moving platforms, swinging axes in air and barbwire put in the air just feels odd.

[@chernobyl306]

Some people had issues with the Glory kill animations mid games and said that it broke the flow of combat. I had no issues with the Glory kill system since 2016 and up until Eternal cause it's a cheesy way to bale out of tough situations or when I made a mistake on harder levels, or sometimes I needed to catch a break to figure out what mistakes I did by simply watching our modern barbarian guy shredding demons into bits, idk but sometimes it was kind of a stress releaver lol. Since Dark Age came out and they removed the Glory kill animation out of non-powerup gameplay I'd say they better include as many exclusive Execution animations on the Berserk powerup as possible and include more power ups on the higher levels and put it on a out of bound or a corner or somthing so that people have choices of either picking it up or not.

[@UngliYT]

I love the glory kills. LOVE them. And I’m super curious about the new system.

[@chernobyl306]

@UngliYT Me too, like they featured a chainsaw shield which could parry and block enemies atks is kind of a souls like mechanic. I'm guessing the game mechanics on Dark Age may be traditional boots on the ground with a bit of souls like play style and dare I say it's more friendly towards new players, like you literally have two tools in one and it could BLOCK and PARRY atks, how easier could this be lol. But it's only a part of the gameplay, I hope that they would add more challenging things such as super duper insane master levels to make players suffer lol.

[@UngliYT]

The chainsaw shield is the coolest thing. Just add chainsaws to stuff. The lancer in Gears rules. The chainsaw leg in Turbo Overkill rules. Tbh, games could always be improved with chainsaws. Looking forward to a new Animal Crossing with Chainsaws

[@leonardomanso4701]

16:10 Just a observation, the auto-shotgun mod, once fully upgraded makes every enemy killed with it drop shotgun ammos, os kinda of a free kill but, you won’t spam it because you will be moving slower

[@benchambers1439]

Tbh I always thought Eternal made made 2016 look generic, which is crazy because Doom 2016 is doom 2016

[@gutfriedvonguttenberg5614]

I don’t know, for me it felt the other way around In Eternal, every interaction just boils down to the same punch animation, the normal basic punch that (and other stuff) made it feel kinda generic for me

[@tmbfreak_16]

Doom 2016 felt like a sandbox where I could choose how to kill things. Eternal felt like rock paper scissors where enemies were designed to be killed only by certain weapons. Eternal also had way too much subpar platforming. 2016 is leagues better and it's not even close

[@UngliYT]

Like I said in the video, I liked the platforming. It feels a bit disjointed from the rest of the experience but I still had fun

[@jurajfrano7272]

I just don't understand how people can use the argument that some games don't let you play your way and some do. There are consessions in every game, that's why we play them. You like a game because it has defined rules and you play within them. The difference is that some games are more focused, and that is amazing imo. In Eternal you still have variety within systems, but you need to be more creative and have better understanding of the game to use them optimaĺy. Of course some games are just more restrictive, but in the case of Doom Eternal it is just about your level of understanding of the game systems.

[@MataNui.]

Problem with marauder was never him being hard, if you find marauder hard you have bad aim or his AI broke. The issue is unlike _every_ other enemy in the game you can't just ignore the weaknesses and shoot him till he dies, you *have* to play the way marauder wants you to play. I don't have to break the flamethrowers off a mancubus or shoot the tail off a arachnatron, I have fight the marauder the way the game wants me to.

[@UngliYT]

He’s a nice pacebreaker. But that just means he will inherently rub some people the wrong way. I like the marauder. And the SSG Ballista combo literally never fails

[@genericgmd9030]

This video is one of the only ones ive seen thats fair to both sides of the debate, as i feel like most reviews shill whichever one they think is better. Also about the exploration, I feel like eternal has worse exploration since while the levels are bigger, theyre disguised hallways with one path, while on the other hand 2016s levels had a lot more backtracking which lead to more interesting secrets.

[@devendoffing7004]

The only thing I really never liked abt Eternal is that it lost its dark, gritty atmosphere and environments. I know they wanted to make the game feel more arcady, like the originals, but I feel 2016 nailed the atmosphere perfectly and would have loved to see that again.

[@devendoffing7004]

The reason I prefer the darker atmosphere is because these are literal demons from Hell you’re fighting. They’re actual monsters that are incomprehensible to the average person, so they should be terrifying. But you’re even scarier. That’s the best atmosphere for Doom in my opinion.

[@UngliYT]

@@devendoffing7004 I know what you mean. I love Eternal but the atmosphere in 3 and 2016 are excellent

[@fnawfan]

Doom Eternal: Soundtrack & Gameplay Doom 2016: Everything else

[@yourfacemeetsmyfist]

I mean, no.

[@carloss7655]

I'm a bit confused why you say that eternal rips away player expression. most people play doom 2016 by running up to every demon with the super shotgun because that's all you had to do to win. Doom eternal is one of the most expressive shooters ever BECAUSE it makes you use every tool at your disposal. It forces you out of your comfort zone and makes you actually be Creative. if your idea of player expression is using a single gun for an entire fight and not think about it, then you can turn down the difficulty. I think the rest of your criticisms are valid (even if i personally disagree) but that particular comment rubbed me the wrong way

[@wasabi_ghost8737]

Good video