Doom II - MAP27: Monster Condo (Nightmare! 100% Secrets + Items)

[@TheBrassDancer]

This is such a fascinating map. The permanently missable secret (after 30 seconds), the Arch-Vile that can open the red skull door, the semi-broken teleporter secret, the two computer area maps (which I assume was to perfectly duplicate that room), and the lonely tech pillar: all very notable.

[@squirll4828]

And interestingly, one of my DOOM II favorites (somehow)

[@YogiTheBearMan]

Very memorable overall. The big room of skewered bodies. The monster closets upon monster closets. The weird stair in the lava pit. The fights in tight spaces with many enemy types. The room where you go into another dimension or something and the Mancubi are back (I see you already mentioned that one)

[@cjshields2007]

The room sectors were probably copied and pasted. I assume the tooling let you do that back then

[@jonathanford9354]

Okay, I missed the missable secret (because he did not mention it), but went back and realised what you were talking about.

[@victoriouswinner7745]

For his magnum don- Wait, wrong show

[@GreeKlimes]

OHHH oh WHOOPS. Oh no. I dropped my monster condo that I use for my magnum dong.

[@1a1Manzana]

A man of culture i see, also you forget the Sandy peterson?, gdamit quote (?

[@StuperUser]

🥚

[@dariusfadavi7188]

Monster…Condo. Boy, I’d like to live in one of those!

[@michaeldonoghue9015]

We are all just swimming in Decinos wake. It’s a delicate ecosystem.

[@SiFi270]

It's been argued that map16 was the original "my house" wad because Sandy based one of the buildings on where he used to live. But he also said he based the library portion of map27 on a nightmare he used to have, so between that, the teleporter that seems to bring you to the same place, and the music that's simultaneously cozy and unsettling, you could also argue he made the precursor to that more recent "my house" wad that's been so popular lately.

[@maurostrachwitz747]

That wad is monumental

[@jameslangridge1674]

Man, if we could get Decino (someone who actually plays Doom really well) to play that WAD, it would be awesome!

[@Scypek]

@@jameslangridge1674 I'm not sure if playing Doom well is a skill in any way relevant to myhouse...

[@DarioToledo]

Probably the most unflattering map in all Doom 2. The fact that you don't have any encounter for some time at the beginning, the library, the music and that room full of bodies, all of them contribute to mount up the tension.

[@LeinaDZiur]

That moment you had a stare contest with the lost soul with your rocket launcher in hand got me TENSE

[@Dollar_Store_Cacodemon]

That timed secret you have to rush to at the start was something that haunted me for years as a kid. It wasn't until very long ago when I started getting back into classic Doom again in around 2016 that I realised how it works!

[@AlpineActivist]

I still can’t figure it out! Do tell.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

To this day I'm still astounded by how chaotic this map is on Nightmare. Really breaks the standard feel and turns into a new experience. Tech pillar spotted 👀

[@VikingBoyBilly]

You gotta love the untextured wall you have to look at every time he attempts to enter the secret sector

[@quiver5756]

One of the most memorable maps in Doom II, one of Sandy best works in general (don't care about that infamous secret) and one of my personal favs. The atmosphere in this map resonates with me the most. The lighting, the loyaout, the monster placement and the beautiful track makes Monster Condo something special.

[@HeroMakes]

genuinely don't know why more people don't watch these, pretty entertaining and chill!

[@SmrdiTiBabka]

Genuinely I don't understand why is this so entertaining. I don't have time for this yet I need to watch it.

[@jakesheldon7637]

Nostalgia. That’s why

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Perhaps it's because of the commentary stuff. Some people just prefer it when games are done the Star Marshal/patologTV/Zevik way and so on. But strangely enough, I am *one of them, and I actually love watching these.*

[@bobosprinkles]

When I used to sit down to play DOOM II as a kid, I would almost always start with this map. Very memorable, very fun.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Same. This and The Living End. They're so cool even today.

[@StoneHill777]

Hey decino, back in 2001 there was a news program here in Brazil talking about violent games and how they could influence your children. This map was used as an example, specially the part with hanged bodies.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

The times and peoples change, and yet they also don't.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Brazilian media being Brazilian media. It's more toxic and worthless than all of Twitter merged into one single account.

[@d3ad160]

My favourite map in doom 2. The atmosphere, with those dark rooms, ton of hanging corspes, the layout, everything is absolutely good. The music is the cherry on the cake, this map wouldn't be the same without it. I think this map is called Monster Condo because it's filled with monster closets.

[@Imgema]

The room with the hanged bodies is my favorite DOOM thing. It left such an impression on me the first time i saw it, even though both DOOM and DOOM 2 have plenty of other body horror and torture displays here and there.

[@CabezasDePescado]

I dont know if it was this one (and maybe it happened in the psx port, i dont remember lol) or one where you press a switch and suddenly there is a big room with hanged bodies but i remember i turned around got jumpscared when seeing it for the first time, it was cool and i miss that horror vibe in the new Dooms

[@lukebehrendsbro.]

Man this map just got better & better by looking at the amazing details they put out here! Congrats on getting the broken secret just by line-def skip! Yeah very generous with Soulsphere's, Partial Invisibilies, and Invuns as well! Overall an awesome map and I do think it's perfect in every way! Well done! 👏

[@krazyfinndude666]

This is and Spirit World are my fav maps of Doom II. It's just so fun to few have levels where the mapper gives you alot of invulnerability spheres to just go on a rampage against big group of heavy demons. Also all the quirkiness and weird settings just mak it even more fun lmao

[@mjc0961]

Puts into perspective how amazing all those unintentional linedef skips were.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

One of Sandy's best Doom II maps, despite the jank secret and the unobtainable map.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

To be fair he was trying to mimic the rooms for effect so putting two makes sense in that sense.

[@eduardodiaz9942]

@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting I mean, yes, but I'm sure some completionists out there aren't too thrilled about that

[@Nob1ej0n]

Man, on my livestream I just gave up on that teleport skip after like 5 minutes without success. I also didn't realize that you couldn't pick up two area maps until then. Two points of frustration. Haha I didn't know about that tech pillar either. Nor did I know that you could crash the game by blocking the door on that first secret. I really need to read the wiki on these maps! There's so much I keep learning!

[@ZenSolipsist]

I was today years old when I learned about Doom 2’s only tech pillar. Always loved the aesthetics of this map 🧡🍿

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I love the irony of the one tech pillar being in hell when there was a good amount of techbase before.

[@georgeheilman885]

A happy decino video. Much needed after the farcical last map. And I never get tired of seeing this level's quirkiness.

[@CabezasDePescado]

I like this level, i think it has a great creepy atmosphere, all of these later levels were scary when i played them as a kid

[@Nuclearstomp]

Taking the teleporter over and over again feels like a carnival ride.

[@Chunes3]

I'm pretty sure decino's said "Thanks Sandy" in every Sandy map so far lol

[@nathanlamont9920]

One of my favorite video game levels of all time. The instrumental version of This Love(Pantera) fits so well with this map.

[@eldandraken4850]

Its really great seeing decino have a good time playin, especially after the abandoned mines fiasco. have a good one, pumpkin man, cheers

[@XyrxesTube]

Thank you Decino. I really enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for all the nice hours!

[@trueakuma777]

Fun fact: for years I thought the first secret was glitched and unreachable, not knowing the walls were on a timer. I still remember the first time I got it legitimately after reading that you just needed to get there quickly! Thanks for the entertaining video and stay safe out there!

[@Olek54321]

love this MIDI in this map, so good and fits this level. Hooray to the skipping linedef, as this made the video longer :D by the way, so many tricks you shown here, wow!

[@DEdens1525]

Love this map, I've been waiting for this playthrough.

[@Ghosty99675985]

Both the 30 second and the half-broken secrets reminds me to remind you that we're still looking forward to the follow up on the linedef analysis video. Great work as always and glad to know we have the same favourite map.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

On that note, I hope someday decino can be arsed into making a very basic introductory analysis on ACS and how much cool stuff you can put on maps with it, such as examples from his viewer submissions. I know it's not-just-slightly departed from vanilla Doom, but when used sparingly and wisely, ACS can _really_ enhance the experience in ways that Boom features either take much more work to perform, or cannot pull off at all.

[@joshuah6380]

Just finished my UV+ run and wow it's so much more challenging. Couldn't imagine doing nightmare, I like to take it slow baby. When your video lands I'm like 'oh this maps really challenging' Decino: 'as well know this is a short and easy map lmao' Me: 😢

[@joshuah6380]

I've had more hearts from Decino than kisses from my wife.

[@plankera]

Well on Nightmare you get double ammo, which is always nice.

[@christiangavrilidis4599]

Decino: "Not the most exciting footage" when trying to get the broken teleporter secret. Me: *Laughing my ass off seeing Decino attempt to unlock the secret numerous times*

[@Runie549]

Never realized how much of the map is just... lonely and quiet if you avoid certain linedefs and don't shoot until you get to the Pain Elementals. Interesting.

[@quiroga9774]

in the ps1 version they sort of fixed that secret by just removing that secret tag in the teleporter, so instead of 8 secrets they are 7. Also the time locked secret is changed to a normal opening wall

[@quiver5756]

As much I love psx Doom and it's my favorite version of the game overall, that version of Monster Condo is really a downgrade in terms of gameplay and atmosphere. Gameplay because the og M.C is one of the levels that features almost all the non-boss monsters in the roaster, except Cacodemons. But in psx doom due the VRAM limitation the level lose its Arachnotrons, Chaingunners, Barons of hell, Mancubus, Pain Elementals and Archviles.

[@quiroga9774]

@@quiver5756 the whole psx version is a downgrade, but still its my favorite too cuz it was my first doom i had (i didnt have a pc or knew how to download a source port lmao). the music and atmosphere was on top, levels like e2m2, e2m1, e1m2, e2m6, etc. feel kinda spooky and darker.

[@aquepaique]

I find this map annoying but still memorable

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

Be ballsy with pain elementals? Meatballs? Bless the puns. Love this map too. Great dark atmosphere. Had loads of fun on it with multiplayer. I loved the identical rooms; was such a surprise initially.

[@planet23k]

Like this map quite a bit, because of the "Waiting for Romero to play" music (first time at Courtyard), easily my favourite in DooM II, these strange things with seemingly incomplete secret (and item - more on that below tho) and also that overall look and feel that suits it. As for grabbing the second Computer Area Map - in a strictly vanilla Crispy Doom source port, one can type in idbehold0 (zero at the end), to negate all of the currently active powerups (including the ones that last until the end of the map, like the Map and technically, also Berserk) and pick up the other one Map in that 'mirrored' room. So it's possible to have 3x100% here also outside of coop (or "single coop"). Doesn't feel like a cheat, as it downgrades the player (unless Partial Invisibility power_down_ is active), thus could be a viable solution actually.

[@odstagent1070]

I think this is my favorite level from the game: good fights, chill, lots of power ups even a mirror room, good to try some rare wads

[@liquorstoregord]

Another great vid/ guide. Thank you! Been looking for that last secret and optimal routes and this helped!

[@Seb-Storm]

3:06 in case anyone want to skip to when decino tags the secret

[@TIIKKETMASTER]

bump but imho should be in timestamps lol

[@lukesimmons7332]

Push me! Push me! Yeeeeeah. Dang, you nasty! XD

[@Fusso]

This is the level where my brain goes "yeah, we are on the endgame now". Also, this level reminds me A LOT of a Marathon 1 level called Welcome to the Revolution (and a little but of Try Again), I don't know why, they do share some minor elements, like a pool in the middle of a large room with stairs, but that's about it. Maybe because I played both a lot back in the day and things get mixed up in my rapidly aging brain.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

*laughs at brain because of plot stuff in The Plutonia Experiment, Doom 64, and more especially DOOM 2016 and Eternal*

[@silentgarage7273]

Sandy making BMD angry.

[@BigPashPlays]

Doom 2 would be remembered much more fondly if there were more atmospheric maps like this instead of the filler we got. The darkness and spooky OST when playing on PlayStation as a kid was a proper horror experience that is hard to describe.

[@abd-qadirgilani8871]

Ah, MAP27 Monster Condo. My 2nd favorite Id-maxe Classic DooM map. And yes, I also sometimes miss that red key as well in all the chaos :D

[@dryued6874]

I am getting some wacky energy with Decino stopping to admire the pillar.

[@andyfriederichsen]

The room with the pain elementals and the broken secret is probably the most disturbing area of any Doom level.

[@multigamer856]

Agreed, also one of my top favorites of Doom 2 along with Maps 18, 28, 23, 8 and 9. I think this would be my top 5 (well 6) maps of this game. And it really is just a coincidence that my favorite music from Doom 2 also comes from maps 18/27, 28, 23 and 9. Such a fun run with fun facts I knew and didn't know about - 2 computer area maps - 100% completionists can go to hell lol, skipping linedef for a secret sector trigger, only tech pillar in Doom 2 (I didn't know this one) also it's used in a map that really isn't a techbase lol. Just love the combo of ominious dark library, room with many many corpses, the deja vu - 2 same rooms. Goood stuff.

[@Brutalexecution]

I remember playing this map a lot as a kid (Late 90's). It was fascinating. I had no clue how to play the game properly, but someone had save game on my dad's work PC. I always loaded that save game and tried to beat the level.

[@matheusrios4223]

One of my favorite maps of all the Doom games. if you know where and what to do its not that hard of a map even on nightmare but so fun anyway. Map 28 is next, and one step closer to see how Decino will deal with Map 29 :D

[@Chozo_Ghost]

I've always found this map cozy, and I'm not really sure way... maybe because it has the word "condo" in it lmao. The thought of Doom monsters living peacefully in a giant condo in Hell... hilariously devilishly wholesome.

[@Mitka90]

6:06 - In Doom (E1M8) (versions from 1.4) the extra computer area map in the star is swapped for another shotgun pickup.

[@mancubwwa]

I can never look at this map and not remember that run at GDQ where the archville instead of opening doors just said screw it and teleported away...

[@plankera]

Man the living conditions for the hidden imps in the starting area are awful. What a monstrous condo indeed.

[@rankoinazuma6788]

Deffo my fav map, and the midi adds much to the eerie atmosphere!

[@kabooby0]

always been one of my favorite maps with some of the best music too

[@mr.professionell]

Thank you that helped 👍

[@justinholland9844]

One of my favorites, as well.

[@Ben_of_Langley]

I'm gunner have to look that up now about that tech pillar I will say this is one of my favourite levels in doom two always enjoyed it didn't know about the line skip though for the secret so that's actually really handy. That room with the revenants and mancubuses did mess me up a few times when I was still new to doom but all round a good level and with that as always cheers for upload decino

[@fmsyntheses]

One of Sandy's strangest. I think it serves its purpose of being a challenging late-game map.

[@JangianTV]

That broken secret! 😬

[@chezzington918]

1:52 Rare example footage of past Decino being better than future Decino by getting the secret first try lol

[@jirijiri5437]

Uncle ducino never cease to amaze me. Well done pumpkin man

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Man, that secret closing after 30 seconds - didn't know about it until the 00's. How could anyone possibly guess there's such a thing in the level? The only thing worse than it is the two computer maps - in vanilla Doom, this means it's impossible to ever get 100% Items. And no, IDBHELDA doesn't help - the computer map cannot be "turned off" in vanilla. The first game's E1M8 also had two computer maps in earlier versions (1.0 - 1.2), but this wasn't such a big deal because there's no tally screen when the level is beaten ;) This map has two light-amp visors out of 5 total in the game (the other 3 are all in MAP10). BTW, I've always loved the library part of this map - I can imagine the demons studying some really nasty dark sorcery in there.

[@jrock718]

Nice run pumpkin man

[@thewaver8]

Glad that you aren't having a nightmare of a time as you did with the prev map :)

[@matthewmchargue-es1or]

Great way to start your day, with some demon slaying!

[@ademkapovskic8106]

6:27 Decino: "There it is, and I cannot-" Mancubus: "Mine! >:("

[@brottongoodfellow5932]

I loved the random trivia about the tech pillar

[@puuxexil]

Wow, this map gives me fits on UV; especially the Macubi/Revenant area.

[@1pcfred]

The Mancubi reveal is a prime BFG moment.

[@snowman6811]

that went rly smooth

[@tatamimats]

Nice run

[@maltardraco9555]

Going after the pain elementals is a 1000000 IQ play. Such big wrinkle brain.

[@peterhawes9680]

That perseverance on the broken secret was begging for an on-screen failure counter!

[@jamiemahmud9944]

Man this map is very memorable because of kingdime wasting so much time getting the archvile to open the exit. Also i legit thought this was map 25 instead of memefalls. It is such an odd map but has some charms to it.

[@joshuabaker5692]

I've been watching speedruns for so long, I have completely forgotten that any amount of level even existed.

[@campionpesate4647]

The dark atmosphere and foreboding music always made this level creepy as hell when I was a kid

[@bendzam.6068]

This is my favourite Doom II map.

[@dorinsa116]

It hardly seems fair. These monsters are just hanging out in their condo and then this rando comes in all invincible and blasting rockets.

[@_vez]

Love this map

[@seanz1115]

One of the best Doom 2 maps 🎉

[@fellow_doomer]

pretty cool map!

[@alexwinter6720]

Yes you said route I'm well happy

[@chriswaudby1084]

That secret holy s__t man that was awesome the way u did that Also only you are good enough to get 98% items ona broken map on nightmare and still have the health to get plasma balled in to the exit 😅😂

[@Lackooo84]

Finally!

[@MrUnl33t]

Probably my favourite map of all doom 2. 2 same rooms with mancubuses are really weird and freaky.

[@the_dommo]

the baron pushed him very slow. sorry about the sheer amount of deaths yesterday!

[@xthaone]

4:33 omg. What a heart attack.

[@wanderleisilva5825]

Finally!!!!

[@RetroGamingWithEdgarRivera]

Ahhh Monster Condo this is map were barney the archvile lives yep. As for the map, well is a weird hellish architecture map design but unlike other strage looking architecture maps designs, this is one more enjoyable and as you said in the video on Nightmare is decent athought I spend more finding all the secrets than any else Lmao xD. I'm looking forward for Map 28 The Spirit World

[@Luko0104]

this map without the invuln would be hell

[@Muladeseis]

Good use of the invul spheres. Btw, I think that it's ready the TNT Evilution Megawad made by memory, I hope you want to play it!

[@kernelbug2294]

one of my favotite d2 maps and midis

[@Brentastrophe]

It's a fun level when the whole idea is monster closets of multiple designs and traps

[@stylesrj]

Imagine how difficult it must have been to do the lindef skip without a Secrets counter... you'd never know if you actually did trigger it until the end :D

[@1pcfred]

There's an audio cue and a message on the screen that a secret has been revealed.

[@stylesrj]

@@1pcfred That's only in source ports and they borrowed the sound and message from Quake. Back in my days with Final Doom, you didn't know if something was a secret. You just got a score if you did find any.

[@1pcfred]

@@stylesrj that was then and this is now. The source ports we have today are far better than the original engine was.

[@stylesrj]

@@1pcfred Which is why I'm saying imagine if someone was playing the game back when it first came out or was using the launcher of Final Doom or something and thus had none of those counters. If there was a linedef skip, you'd never know if you triggered it until the end of the level (or if you looked into the code)

[@1pcfred]

@@stylesrj I didn't play the game when it first came out. I played it a couple years later. The code wasn't available then.

[@purple_ruberoid]

I don't know, maybe i'm that person but getting broken secret with line-skip was weirdly enternaiting for me to watch. Congrats, decino!

[@vovomtb]

Watching this series, I realised I have not played Doom 2 almost at all. I've played Doom 1 a lot, but I only rember skipping through levels, running around with god mode and noclip in Doom 2, never actually trying to finish it properly. Then Quake 1 and Duke Nukem came out and I've never returned until Doom 3, which I think is really good. (You don't need a 🔦mod, if you light up the corridor with shotgun blasts or plasma bolts. That's how you are supposed to do it.😁) The 2016 and Eternal are 🤌.

[@ElCriticoCitrico77]

Me: NOOOO, one item left!!! Then realize the computer map bug. Thank Sandy.

[@Sphendrana]

It's OK, that extra 2% kills can count towards the 98% items!