Doom Retrospective

[@Laxhoop]

1993: “I need a new computer to run DOOM.” 2020: “I need a new computer to run DOOM.”

[@nike_swoosh9122]

Just get a pregnancy test.

[@elfasto2255]

Bro just go to an ATM

[@DelnegroXX]

Bro you aint lying . I literally bought 2k of parts just to playing DOOM lol

[@arcticjames1017]

Some things never change

[@MoriShep]

Facts

[@Laxhoop]

I had a game design professor who actually worked on the cancelled DOOM 4, that people were calling “Call of Doom”, and he actually took one class to explain to us how he felt DOOM Eternal was repurposing ideas he and his team had for tentacle covered skyscrapers, and other such things.

[@minecraftveteranyoda4476]

That’s pretty cool

[@Lightspeeds]

@@minecraftveteranyoda4476 But also very salty.

[@kevinwillems8720]

@@Lightspeeds like sea salt ice cream

[@beautifulmeeses]

@@kevinwillems8720 salt in/on sweet things is so underrated.

[@yeezus4469]

how did he feel about it

[@KingoftheBashful]

Still pretty funny how Doom was originally going to be horror game, and when they actually made a horror game with Doom 3, most fans preferred the more action-oriented gameplay.

[@YasugoLiehu]

I'd still argue that the original Doom has horror elements that are mostly overshadowed by the action.

[@a4arick106]

Yes, Carmack said that they wanted to make an atmospheric Alien-like game, but they can't in Doom 1&2. They finally able to do that in Doom 3, but the game had been portrayed differently by the fans.

[@SunbleachedAngel]

Because most horror games are fucking lame. On a serious note, the point of a horror game is to make you feel weak, to make you afraid. But Doom as a series is the polar opposite its purpose is to make you feel strong and empowered, to put it simply

[@Ribbons0121R121]

yeah i get that no one cares about the original doom 1 and 2 story but damn if its not interesting to me

[@torabora1159]

I mean to me the original Doom games still somewhat scared me due to the imagery and the sudden ambushes, especially DOOM PS1 and 64 which changed the tone from metal music to creepy ambiances. things like the monster closet trap and dark areas were already present in some levels of classic Doom.

[@PiousMoltar]

My dad was one of those office workers playing Doom on his lunch breaks. Both single player, and deathmatches with his colleagues. He would used to tell us about his escapades in Doom as kind--of bedtime stories haha. He also bought the 32X version of Doom before we even had a 32X, which I think was my first actual experience of the game. Dad was the reason we even got into games, when he bought a C64 when I was about 6 or so. Tbh I think it's fair to say my dad was a bigger gamer than I have ever been. He would be in his seventies now if he was still with us. RIP dad :(

[@ZorrotheArtist]

Sorry for your loss. Did he at least get to play DOOM 2016?

[@NealBones]

It sounds like you had a great dad ❤️

[@InuranusBrokoff]

Same here friend. Original gamers... ❤

[@laurentfabron]

RIP Dad.

[@-Jakob-]

Yeah, sorry to read of your loss, I can feel your dad lives on in your memories, that's definitely something. That's how I started serious 3D fights as well back in the mid 90s. Deathmatches with the workmates, reproducing the office building in a Doom level editor, mancubus placed into the CEO office. Nobody had a LAN at home yet and internet was way too slow. But collision-free 16MBit token ring network was good enough. Today I still play pvp multiplayer games.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

_“Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon...”_ - Sir Terry Pratchett

[@missmillion3864]

🙏

[@basically_boring]

and this is why doomguy is the best christian

[@redline841]

HEAVEN OR HELL

[@EzKay_PX]

​@@redline841LETS ROCK

[@realkingofantarctica]

"Doom is Doom. And Doom is boom." Perfect representation of this legendary series.

[@colemanbubar5098]

And this latest doom is the b-doomiest boom yet

[@hotrodslayer4966]

DOOM IS BOOM AND THIS NEW DOOM ETERNAL IS THE DOOMEST BOOM YET

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

Actually, Wolfenstein was Doom before Doom.

[@hotrodslayer4966]

@@goofygrandlouis6296 DUHHH

[@henro5151]

-Gex

[@MaxiusTheGod]

"Yeah, I know that's how shotguns work" It's not actually. They have much higher range than people understand. Video games nerf it because it would be the undisputed best weapon in most of the games scenarios. Real gun warfare takes place at MUCH higher ranges than combat in video games.

[@Hapetiitti]

This here is the truth. It's all to do with game balance, not realism. It's actually fairly easy to miss with a shotgun, even at short range and relatively wide pellet spread, at least if you're trying to hit a moving target.

[@GirlypopShotgun]

Just play Escape from Tarkov

[@jasonjayalap]

Maybe he means "that's how shotguns are supposed to work in video games".

[@magnusm4]

Sadly this is an awful hypocrisy to the argument. The shotgun would be unfair when based on realistic shotguns. But instead we have an even more unbalanced weapon based on real life, the assault rifle. I've written many times about my gripe with it, especially in modern games and CS. It has fast fire rate, good damage output, low recoil, low spread, good magazine size and high accuracy. In every game it's like a rapid fire m1 garand. Name a single shooter where at least 60% of players don't instantly gravitate towards the assault rifle or most commonly the ak and sticks with it unless forced to switch or brag with sick sniper shots. Even in a sci fi game like Halo is the definitive god weapon a burst fire assault rifle. No alien plasma or laser weapon. Just a regular bullet fired real life assault rifle. Honestly it needs to be seriously nerfed in games. Give submachine guns the same feature of every first bullet being 100% accurate and significantly drop the bullet damage at medium long to long range. It should be good but should be inferior to an smg or shotgun at medium close or even in power at medium range. Imagine if Doom 2016 and Eternal had an assault rifle that was an all purpose weapon for any situation with great damage like the super shotgun in Doom 2, except at ALL RANGES. Imagine if the super shotgun was just as good at 10 meters as 100 meters. It wouldn't be fair and just boring when everyone uses the exact same weapon and strategy without any variation.

[@MaxiusTheGod]

@@magnusm4 I agree with you on this, oddly TF2 was the best about this problem. All the strongest weapons were semiautomatic. Only side arms were ever automatic and were less powerful by design.

[@SuperFireman5454]

Probably one of the few people I've heard saying that they like the city levels in Doom II.

[@pachurro2762]

omg they were so fun but damn so annoying

[@esanscoopsers7538]

i like the city levels in DOOM II

[@TakeItEasy2019]

Damn you Sandy Peterson!

[@bertruger]

I love industrial zone.

[@takagimorisato9021]

City stages are the best in any fps for bothbsingleplauer and multi-player. It's just the best possible landscape for an interesting gun fight

[@ClellBiggs]

My mom played DOOM 1 & 2 on the Gameboy Advance and loved them. She played them for a few hours a day for several years. For her it was finding her way around the levels that she liked most. They were like puzzles to her. She also liked killing the demons but that was secondary. Giving her my GBA was probably the best gift I ever gave her.

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

Awwwww, that's wholesome!

[@ShortArmOfGod]

I gave her the D the year after. She still loves playing that for a few hours a night. What a pro.

[@tdoran616]

I love how people interpret Doom I & II differently. To some they play it as a quick FPS, others a slow horror game and like your mother as a puzzle game.

[@BulletShaba]

One of my favorite comments about doom is it is simple yet I think encapsulates at all perfectly. "Doom is an ongoing series of horror games. The twist being you play the monster and Your prey will send absolutely everything under under the sun and under the Earth to try and stop you from your one simple goal. Rip and tear."

[@Dimensiom]

People who played DOOM originally get that megaarmor in E1M1 a very different way. That switch was not present in the original release.

[@conzmoleman]

thank you - i was so confused for a second. like, how did i not know that was an option the whole time??? bc i remember it the other way obvi. i wonder what version they added the switch in...

[@Dimensiom]

@@conzmoleman It was added in The Ultimate DOOM. I suspect that part of the reason for adding it was better opening up the level for deathmatch.

[@DeadPixel1105]

@@Dimensiom That's exactly why they added it to Ultimate Doom, according to John Romero.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

Could you still just use the secret door on the right before the first final room?

[@Dimensiom]

@@christiangottsacker6932 Yes. That was originally the only access point.

[@colemanbubar5098]

Just so you know, the marauder’s dog spawns when you shoot his shield, not when you’re far away. It’s a punishment for wasting your ammunition.

[@fettycheese2498]

Doom Slayer: *Shoots shield* Marauder: “Dumbassssss!”

[@henro5151]

I feel like an idiot

[@freddiefreaker2068]

Oh my god, I never realized this. Always have a hard time with the dogs and didn’t know it was because I kept accidentally shooting the shield. Thanks!

[@RonaldAsks]

Also, you deffinetly don't have to be at mid range so he can swing his axe. If he throws it at you then he will start running at you. You have to bait his axe throw and then lure him into the axe swing

[@seanturner1197]

What I noticed is, his dog drops health upon death by ice bomb, but sometimes it's a problem because he will summon another one.

[@estudiordl]

"It was installed on more computers than windows", my brain almost glich for a momment before remembering Windows was just an application more running on top of DOS... 😅

[@brandonporter8509]

And the best thing was because of that fact when Microsoft was rolling out windows 95 their first attempt at a full GIU operating system rather than an application in dos what was one of the promotions to sell people On it. “You can still play doom in it”

[@dragonmaster3030]

Brain.exe has stopped working

[@lucaspatrick7478]

My brain sounded like an old computer connecting to dial up when he said that

[@coatlessali]

Hats off to the three people who played DOOM on 256 color Xorg on Linux in the 90s

[@cchutney348]

​@@coatlessaliThe true Year of the Linux desktop!

[@paulkleihege1509]

"Still a demon none-the-less, and he'll go down when I DECIDE he'll go down." May be the most badass boast related to the Marauder I have heard from any long-form review of Doom Eternal, and with that my good man you have earned a sub.

[@SickTruck]

The opening to DOOM on the elevator with Optimus Prime talking to you and the shotgun cock is easily one of the coolest openings to any game.

[@mortalkonquest2948]

You mean Samuel Hayden? Lmao. Optimus Prime in Doom would be cool asf tho ngl

[@Fargoth_Ur]

@@mortalkonquest2948 To be fair, ol' Sammy does sound a bit like Walter White with an Optimus Prime filter.

[@mortalkonquest2948]

@@Fargoth_Ur "Slayer, we need to cook!"

[@Aguyontheinternet]

1:30:08 Hold up, you beat Doom Eternal on Ultra Violence AND survived leukemia? You are one tough bastard.

[@simunujevic8787]

Ultra violence 👎

[@IAmDaDumb1]

Ultra violence isn't really that bad. Unless you meant ultra-nightmare

[@NecromorphPunkStar]

Ultra violence is ez

[@henro5151]

Ultra violence is hard but it’s not that impressive

[@simunujevic8787]

@@NecromorphPunkStar the whole point of my comment was that ultra violence is easy 😐

[@SiebenZwanzig]

45:42 You can't hide that "bruh" sound effect

[@dabmasterars]

that corpse had a bruh moment

[@Marzo7866]

ʙɾuʜ

[@vxidwvlkxr]

LOLOL I PICKED UP ON THAT IMMEDIATELY

[@Lie_Ren-1994]

I noticed it instantly

[@bfgfanatic1747]

I want to correct some inaccuracies I noticed. 1. Doom's 3D nature isn't trickery, the game makes use of vertical auto-aim to pitch shots towards monsters at different elevations. Notice how during the Doom 2 footage that your super shotgun blasts hit the wall behind the Pain Elemental hovering above you. 2. Adrian did make several clay sculptures at first, but several of the other models were made from rubber and laytex by Gregor Punchatz. The Spider Mastermind was one of them. 3. Doom completely lacks scripted sequences, everything is handled through individual activation triggers. Doom 64 however... 4. There's actually no difference in the engines between Doom 1 and 2, besides the new demons of course. All the monsters and weapons are actually hard-coded into the engine.

[@roadkill_52]

Actually, there are a few differences on the engine. Not in terms of rendering, but Doom 2 have new action triggers and sector types, as well as the new way of organizing levels and secrets.

[@jameson32]

From what I understand it's because the maps themselves aren't true 3d. For every x,y coordinate on the map there is an assigned height value so you cant define any points above or below.

[@cherno8119]

if doom isn't truly 3d then why the hell am i able to run under fireballs or rockets that enemies shoot at me? seriously

[@elgeniomaestro]

@@soulsphere9242 wait until these people learn that in Heretic and Hexen you can fucking fly

[@stephenhawkins555]

@@cherno8119 From the perspective of the player it's "3d" but in terms of the engine and how it's designed, it's really not. It's the reason you can't have a room on top of a room.

[@Hawktalonofwindclan]

I really appreciate that not only did Doomguy toss aside the story in 2016 but given the glance at the body by the monitor he clearly wasn’t buying Hayden’s shit. He cared about what happened and proceeded to do what he does best.

[@onepunchmeme6253]

I’ve never made a comment like this in my life. I don’t even know if anyone will see this. But there is something so beautiful about this video. I’ve loved doom for years- it’s been the single prevailing game franchise that has always overwhelmed me and struck a chord with me. And for the first time, someone has been able to put my affection for this fps into words. Thank you for this video. I was literally cheering along with the kills, flabbergasted by the history, and overwhelmed with absolute love and adoration for the sheer volume of thought and graciousness put into this game. Doom eternal isn’t just doom eternal. It IS eternal. It will transcend time as one of the best video games to ever grace the modern public. Thank you. Right now, I’m going through one of the hardest points in my life. But I always know that I can return to doom. At the end of the day I’m a nobody. But when I’m playing this game? I’m the fucking doom slayer.

[@AlienSphinkter]

Rip & Tear.

[@sanders7368]

This comment is everything I wish I could put into words. I wish I knew what else to put into words. All I can say is, demons are meant to die. Rip & tear ❤

[@catb0mb]

doom videos analyzing the series as a whole are definitely overdone, but the central recurring theme of relating everything back to the title was something i don't think i've seen discuss before when talking about this series as a whole. you wrote this in such a unique way i don't think i've seen anyone discuss before while also articulating why i love this franchise so dearly. well fucking done dude. absolute kudos. i also love how you focused so much time on levy and hulshult's work on TAG. it feels like barely anyone gives him the credit he deserves due to them being "not mick" (not helped either by the admittedly quiet in-game mixing). also the emphasis you put on the slayer's humanity in eternal in parallel to the intern was so well done too. another aspect i feel people absolutely sleep on and sometimes bash unfairly. the slayer's appeal is being a no nonsense dude, but like the player at heart he's a human like the rest of us and i love that. makes the reveal in sentinel prime before the gladiator all the more amazing and gut-wrenching when you read up on the lore. finally, 1:19:47 fucking THANK YOU. absolutely sick of people in this community shaming others for playing on a lower difficulty, especially if you want to learn and improve. i wanna play eternal now. brb.

[@chabbab6698]

No one cares about something being overdone in todays binge society.

[@quarreneverett4767]

Every game needs easy modes and options

[@andross2058]

@@chabbab6698 catbomb does

[@theonlybilge]

@@quarreneverett4767 Okay, "game "journalist""

[@Groovetwig]

@@theonlybilge I don’t think literally every game needs to have an easy mode but accessibility is a good thing. Don’t you want more people to enjoy video games, even if they don’t have the time or skill to become incredibly good at them?

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

Wait a second, Taras Nabad wasn’t the capital city of Hell, it was just a particularly notable holy city on Argent D’Nur. Sentinel Prime was the capital of the Argenta where the Makyrs did most of their dealings with the Sentinels, Exultia was (I think) the royal court, and Taras Nabad was an old city that had religious significance, and also the site of the first huge Hell invasions. The capital city of Hell is Immora.

[@rexosuitmk2577]

Thank you!

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

@@rexosuitmk2577 Us lore nerds need to stand up for what’s important! 😤

[@Samopal.VanoZz]

Wow. So much bullshit in such a small text!

[@commiehunter733]

Indeed, good sir

[@gargoyled_drake]

I mean there are a lot of mistakes in this video. And i feel like he is just trolling to get more comments. Like the frigging "Friends made Doom what it is today" Like that is such a far reach of a comment. Friends didn't even reach the rest of the world before 5 or so years AFTER the Doom release. And Doom was a major hit in Europe from the release in stores. I know he is trolling. As he even puts in Halo where he should be putting in Quake. Half-life makes kind of sense. As it was the next big modding game. Which even had it's own standalone release from a mod that is even bigger than original Doom is today. Not that i personal like prefer it. But no one can deny the success of Counter-Strike 🤷‍♀Even if we think it's a boring game with toxic communities. But i guess it works. We are all in the comments correcting him. Instead of commenting. "Do it again. But do it right this time." People are just following trends now. And there are so many young people on youtube talking about video game history and getting so many things wrong if it's from before their own birth.

[@Wariokart65]

It’s weird to do an entire retrospective on those silly games you got free with each DOOM album purchase but I rip my tear to you good fellow well done.

[@dexketristo2349]

So Guilty Gear? xD

[@slobonmygurt8354]

@@dexketristo2349 doom

[@lazerhosen]

@@slobonmygurt8354 yes, this is clearly a comment section on a video about Doom, but I believe Dex is referring to the fact that you can get free versions of older Guilty Gear games by buying the soundtracks?

[@slobonmygurt8354]

@@lazerhosen damn I did not know that, that's actually kinda sick ngl

[@lazerhosen]

@@slobonmygurt8354 I was guessing, I did not google to confirm.

[@adoomedspacemarine8574]

Outstanding video Liam. Great writing man. Also, as a fellow cancer survivor, congratulations on your recovery man. Blessing.

[@elgeniomaestro]

The Doom engine actually has height, as in projectiles and hitscan attacks being able to fly over things, but enemies and the player can't do that, that feature was later implemented in Heretic, Hexen and Strife, Heretic and Hexen allow you to fly and Hexen and Strife also allow you to jump. The height property in monsters and the player is used only to check if they can pass through certain sectors depending on the difference bewteen the floor and the ceiling. There is also an autoaim system, that's what allows you to shoot enemies above or below you, but it has a limited range, there's also a slight horizontal autoaim, but it's not as powerful as the vertical autoaim.

[@mikehonda7934]

You're spot on. The Plasma Rifle shows it better the Horizontal aim. Also one thing you got was vertical view with Hexen. Look up and down.

[@techdeckdudes_]

can i just say that killing pinkies in Doom always felt really satisfying? something about the sound of them snarling and dropping to the floor upon death. great sound design.

[@Turbs94945]

Same

[@marcespinoza6068]

They kinda looked like they melted.

[@samcooper2474]

And now you can punch them to pieces, how far we have come.

[@kvltizt]

@@samcooper2474 You always could. Find Berserk powerup and you can punch pinkies into red goop pretty easily.

[@lazerhosen]

and I can still imitate that sound to this day.

[@Sniff738]

Have you heard of MetaDoom? It's a mod that celebrates the series by combining every game, even obscure bits of history.

[@spiralgodking9877]

Even the "Big Guts, big guy"?

[@spiteu9272]

Damnit, you've inspired me to start my 4th playthrough of Eternal.

[@davidt3563]

This video took me through a rollercoaster of early memories. I was just about to finish up 6th grade when the first game came out. My best friend (for 30 some years now) got a copy of the two disk shareware. We hunted around for friends with a PC that could run it. Then one of our other friends came running down the street and was yelling at us to grab the disks and come to his neighbors house. What followed was us playing Doom deathmatch with his neighbor and his family. The rest is history and it launched my love for computers and technology. We are all still friends to this day. Thanks DOOM :)

[@scottpeltier3977]

“Honey I’m pregnant” Husband: *checks pregnancy test* “holy shit he beat sigil with only a pistol!” Wife: “he’s gonna be an athlete!”

[@sonderone3135]

Could have been a better joke if the game was played on a sonogram or something. If the kid is playing doom on the pregnancy test then the wife isn't using it right.

[@AlissonNaimayer]

9:54 "...Feels like UAC attach their building to a temple in hell" This progression is awesome and subtle in the textures, Ep. 1 is very "high tech facilities", while the second ep. looks like some rooms are morphing into hell, with rocks and blood. At last the third ep. is full on demonic textures on the walls and floors with red rocks and lava. It's storytelling without telling you the story.

[@wilsonjonah]

Environmental storytelling is an incredible tool for games like DOOM... I absolutely love it especially in DOOM II

[@Leahi84]

When I first saw this posted I thought, "Do we really need another video about Doom from someone?" But then I thought "Of course we do, Its Doom!". Also, you're damn right it still holds up. All the mods and source ports alone make it still worth playing today. I can't imagine my life without gzdoom and all the mods I play with on it.

[@wilsonjonah]

You can never have too much DOOM... After all, DOOM is Eternal 🤘🤘

[@brentramsten249]

laim: "you no longer have to look around for ammo during a fight" me: spending almost 4 minutes during the icon of sin fight for fodder enemies to chainsaw

[@quonit37]

It's always good to hear about a series that isn't stepping on its toes and is still doing well to this day.

[@sdogg]

DOOM Eternal is without a doubt the best FPS I have played. A truly incredible game

[@appalacha7278]

Ye

[@chitoes1707]

If youre a dumb kid. They ruined the doom franchise. Hugo and the new dooms are trash. That’s not doom.

[@JB-qt3wo]

Meh, it was alright.

[@SaberRexZealot]

@@JB-qt3wo yeah Postal 3 was better

[@dannywright1317]

Half life for me 🤷‍♂️

[@gummywormy98]

My only experience with the Doom series so far has been playing the original game (poorly) on occasion, so since I'm not familiar with most of the series a lot of this info was entirely new to me. I almost struggled to absorb it all but it certainly did not stop me from throughly enjoying this video!! Your passion and adoration for the series really shines through the entire time, especially during the modern Doom games (*especially* especially during Doom Eternal's combat explanation.) Again, I haven't watched much on the series, but this was a really fun, well done video and I highly appreciate your passion!

[@DeadPixel1105]

I've watched just about every Doom retrospective video that exists on KZbin. This is the best one by far. Great work!

[@christiangottsacker6932]

Did you watch retro ahoy?

[@DeadPixel1105]

@@christiangottsacker6932 Oh yeah, that was phenomenal. Same for the Retro Ahoy videos on Quake and Wolfenstein.

[@TheLittleSpoon1982]

Glad I found this video, fantastic piece man. As a 39 year old nerd who first played doom off a shareware floppy disk my dad brought home from work. Till admittedly turning down the difficulty in parts of eternal, to hear someone else with the same passion for all of the doom games is awesome. 2016 and Eternal brought many new eyes to a franchise I grew up with, good to see someone teaching the history to those that might not know.

[@quonit37]

I LOVE IT when devs hire big fans for their games. People who really understand the series and what it is, I love so much that they hired the guy that replicated the soundtrack :D

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

That secret message was perfect XD

[@TheUballe]

Dude, your long-form retrospectives on games are some of the best on KZbin. Excellent analysis, writing, pacing, and context!

[@a4arick106]

One of the franchise that can be shouted in one scream, "DOOOOOOOM!"

[@oetproductions8101]

The fact that games were so early they could just call this game Doom is amazing to me.

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

then how does DUSK get away with it?

[@Hapetiitti]

I don't get it. Because it's such a simple and "common" word? Like Prey? Slay? Crawl?

[@oetproductions8101]

@@Hapetiitti yes but I also get it less than I did when I wrote it because I drank half a bottle of Smirnof with capri sun. Love the video btw

[@oetproductions8101]

@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan built different

[@mrsirperson9656]

The amount of work you put into these videos is so apparent. I really can't get content like this anywhere else. I don't want to just mindlessly suggest videos for you to do, but I think that a Halo retrospective would be so cool

[@brandonb1681]

When Doom came out, I was a little "too young to die." My first FPS was Half-life. I played Doom 2 yrs later in 2000. Doom keeps you on your toes. I love it.

[@controlschemekeaton]

I think Doom Eternals' combat loop has never been matched. I know it hasn't technically been that long in the grand scheme, but so far, it is the most well thought out collection of mechanics that I have experienced in an FPS.

[@Furluge]

31:12 - That's not how shotguns work IRL. Real shotguns work closer to OG Doom than Doom 3. We still measure shotgun range in yards. If you use the right choke or ammo you are lethal to quite a range. It's not rifle range but no level in Doom is big enough for rifle range.

[@franzpattison]

"the game tries to communicate narrative to you but this new doom guy is having none of it" Yeah until you have to spend like 5 minutes running circles around haydens office while he talks your ear off and you're not allowed to leave 😫

[@SunbleachedAngel]

These sections are very few and far in-between and honestly are mostly ok imo

[@ugadugaga4972]

Or the second game with large swaths of dumb story is poured on you. And then you bow to somone. What? Doom guy now to no one

[@ugadugaga4972]

@@SunbleachedAngel true but the second game got worse with it. Not terrible but I enjoyed the sparse story of 2016 much more than externals heavy handed lore.

[@SunbleachedAngel]

@@ugadugaga4972 from what I've seen a lot more people liked it than disliked it so I'd consider it a win. I've seen a lot more complains about the heavy handed tutorial (which, unlike the cut scenes, you can turn off)

[@ugadugaga4972]

@@SunbleachedAngel I know, lots of people have terrible taste. It's like saying halos extended universe isnt shit cause it explained all the beautiful mysteries away. I felt the same about doom eternal.

[@martinvasilev6099]

This retrospective is incredibly well made. I can't describe doom better.

[@thenothing2786]

*Mosquito Monsters* Not only is that the best description i’ve ever heard, it is definitely the new name for my metal band 🤘🏽

[@scorpio110984]

Doom 3 kicked ass! It was a departure, sure. But a lot of love went into it. And it was different. Bravo ID!

[@DeltaAssaultGaming]

Nah it sucked.

[@creaturedomes9364]

Nope it was great 👍.

[@creaturedomes9364]

​@@DeltaAssaultGaming👈 Biden voter

[@xSpooKee]

Doom eternal is probably the game that ruined other shooters for me even after 900 hours and even after I beaten everything on Ultra Nightmare I still find excitement and just engaged because of the combat loop. Best thing I can compare it to is Hotline Miami or Devil May Cry, it’s diff in my top 10 games of all time

[@viktormichael821]

Hotline Miami, in terms of non-stop movement?

[@xSpooKee]

@@viktormichael821 yeah. And if you mess up you dead. Just like Doom Eternal Ultra Nightmare, if you do to many mistakes you gonna be dead

[@clipsmore5607]

As well for me ,I can still play other games like cod ,halo,crysis and more but non of them can compare with my glorious doom eternal ❤️ there was a time when I play more halo than doom but becoui doom crashes all the time in my Xbox one s

[@BOMNN]

i mean i watch the intro and it feels like the evry first time always, a game that does that, is a goos game

[@bolson42]

The only complaint i have about doom eternal is that it made every other FPS worse for me lol

[@reloadpsi]

Can I just say that I love how DOOM Slayer has a nerdy best friend now. I've always loved how much the games try to humanize him and this is just another great way to do it :P

[@ThePseudonoob]

I saw the thumbnail to this video last night, and I was like, "I know what I'm watching tomorrow." I just knew it was gonna be another quality essay. Another thing, fuck leukemia. Glad you're doing better after that.

[@TD.Knight]

I have been playing DOOM since I was a child, starting with the classics. My dad introduced me and I was immediately hooked. I played it ALL the time, and even made my own DOOM game with my toys. When DOOM 2016 first came out, I was beyond excited. I fired up the game and was about to start on Ultra-Violence, my default difficulty, when I noticed that Nightmare was available. It was in red, not white like the other difficulties, but it also didn't have a padlock next to it like Ultra-Nightmare did. So I thought "Why not?" I figured I'd try it out for a bit, see how unfair it was, and restart on Ultra-Violence. I did not. I kept playing. I was hooked. It was brutal, but I absolutely loved it. I ended up completing my first playthrough on Nightmare with 100% collectibles and upgrades. So, when Eternal came out, I figured I should carry on with Nightmare as my first playthrough. How bad could it be? My dear God, that almost murdered my fun. DOOM Eternal takes everything from 2016 and ramps it up exponentially. I almost gave up, but I persisted. When I finally brought down the Icon of Sin, I was elated. Never had I played something so damn difficult, and yet so satisfying. I continued this with the Ancient Gods, which made things even worse, but I did it. I love DOOM so much.

[@THEPurpleEgg]

I've lost track of how many times I've watched this video, and it singlehandedly made me realize I need to play 2016 and Eternal. 2 years later, I finally got a good enough computer to handle them, and I was somehow not disappointed despite the insane expectations this video gave me. Thank you, Liam!

[@jmurray1110]

Yeah great games even if I’m not always a fan of eternals revamps

[@regalriker3266]

Truly exceptional retrospective, thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@Dondlo46]

Didn't expect to watch this completely. DOOM also saved me from bad times, every time I felt kinda depressed it always helped me to calm down and get into a better mood, with all the crazy mods combined. I'm into Doom mapping aswell, making maps that I've dreamed I could play. Thanks to John Carmack, John Romero and everyone in ID team for making such an amazing and memorable game

[@SMJSmoK]

5:03 Not true, the vertical auto aim is coded in as an aid for the player and compensation for not being able to look up and down. Characters in Doom have different vertical positions and it is possible miss a monster by shooting "under" it. This myth of Doom being a "glorified top down shooter" was sadly started by that one Game Theory video and has been circulating the internet ever since.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

For anyone else curious about doom myths kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKHWh2isfLmooMk Doomkid has your back

[@SMJSmoK]

@@christiangottsacker6932 Great video.

[@christiangottsacker6932]

@@SMJSmoK just leave some love for doomkid :)

[@drifter402]

God game theory sucks.

[@kobaltsteel6418]

... oh... well, glad to know!

[@PeterMilne-tq1cs]

That 2016 title drop tho... Whoever synchronized Mick Gordon's music with the title and the shotgun pump.... GET THAT PERSON A RAISE!

[@HyperionStudios]

45:43 Sneaking in that "Bruh", I lost it. But seriously, great video mate. Doom is Eternal after all.

[@SammyEdgeINC]

24:41 "Honey I'm pregnant...with DOOM!" I weep a single tear of joy

[@alchemyrecords657]

During your Doom 2016 bit, you talked about how violence can make people laugh and showed a clip of tf2. You could not have been more spot on. I'd love to see a video from you about the slapstick nature of tf2, because Valve truely nailed it on the head

[@bigjohnson3151]

I appreciate your retrospectives, sir. Top shelf like KingK.

[@four-en-tee]

Nah, KingK wishes his videos were this good.

[@RikouHogashi]

But Nither can match the Legendary voice that is RetroAhoy who also covered Doom and Quake

[@popculturepandainc]

Happy I found this video, it was very insightful on the Doom games, and it gave me another KZbinr that I relate to, I'm a survivor of leukemia too, keep doing your thing man🤘

[@GamingManual]

Great video! DOOM 64 is still my favorite entry in the series. As you said, it's very dark and eerie. I remember literally thinking something was wrong with my TV it was so dark! Intricate level design, sound design, and atmosphere = 10/10 for me. Awesome channel, dude!

[@Dimumouto]

When I first booted up Doom Eternal in March 2020, I went straight into UV (because I wasn't crazy enough to attempt Nightmare on my first playthrough, only ever beat Doom 2016 on Hurt Me Plenty) and though it was definitely tough, I still managed to beat it. The Gladiator boss was the only time I had to use the Sentinel Armor buff, though I kept trying and trying without it. But when it came to the DLC, I again went in head first in UV, and had to stop and bring it down to HMP near the end of the third mission. I had to use the Sentinel Armor buff again during the fight with the cubes in mission 2, and having a crack addled Marauder, an armored Mancubus, Hell Knights, and the big beefy demon boy (can't remember its name) on my ass was just too much for me. If I didn't turn the difficulty down then, it would have been at the final boss of the first DLC. No offense to anyone who enjoyed its difficulty, especially on higher levels, but FUCK that fight. The second DLC I kept on HMP because I wanted to see where the story was going, mostly. Finished it without too much trouble on the last boss (or any part of it really IIRC). Might go back to it and try again on UV down the road. I never got the chance to play any of the original Doom games back in the day, and the time I tried Doom 3, it wasn't my cup of tea. But then I watched the Doom 2016 review from Razorfist (which despite his poor opinion on the OST, is spot on) and I gave it a shot. And I was hooked. Learning a bit about Doom from this video was informative and entertaining, and I 100% agree with your sentiments on CoD4:MW. We can only hope Id can somehow up the ante if they develop a sequel to Eternal, but by the looks of the DLC ending, that won't be for a while.

[@plushiepenguin]

Personally I think UV is the sweet spot for Eternal (and most Doom game). Just the right amount of power and challenge with enough leeway for playing dumb. It just feels so great to overcome the challenge of well designed encounters with with wits and arsenal while flying across the map like C-130 warthog on crack. And imo especially more fun if you play like with restrictive rule sets like no-BFG/Unmaykr, no ChaingunShield abuse, no Ice bomb, minimal lock-on rocket use, Using full arsenal, also no Extra Lives. I just feel like I've earned the power of the god stylishly destroying armies of hell like if Dante from Devil May Cry only used guns and was a silent crack-addled anger golem. The fUnzONe is just pure dopamine to my veins. Though TAG2 is just kind of dissappointing in design. It's peaks are as good as the rest of Eternal but it's dips are far too low in comparison to the rest of the game. Though not sure watchu talking about with the blood swamps cube fight. Only Hell Knights and Pinkies spawn with Shield guys and zombies for ammo refills during the fight and you don't even need to fight them. It's mostly just a game of keep away while you snipe the cubes. Personally I just keep most of them alive by the end of each stage to kite them then flame belch for a full armor refill as I hit the last box. Another thing that feels good in all dooms is to leave a level with full resources imo.

[@brotbrotsen1100]

There is a armor buff?

[@ogulcankahraman309]

Not to be flexing but you know how you said "I wasn't crazy enough to attempt nightmare first time" Well... i was 😆 i must have died at least 7-8 times at that first arena. But once you get the hang of it you will just keep trying until you get it right. Its a different kind if high that this game produces and i am fucking hooked on it. I hate people that gatekeep games by saying "git good bro" but lemme tell you nightmare without weapon wheel is a different game and you MUST try it And then do a ultra-nightmare run if you like cbt that mutch.

[@theatre721]

It's here! It's finally here! God bless us everyone!

[@CircusQueen8]

cringe pfp

[@awesomegamercz]

Thank you Miniscule Timothy

[@DoubleADwarf]

#RipAndTear #UntilItIsDone

[@MidnightMedium]

Really admire your ability to be concise while comprehensive at the same time

[@TaylordawgTV]

Dude I love videos like this. I wish I knew stuff like this existed in high school I would be so much more into writing and stuff specially when the teacher let us pick our own topic. This video is litterally like a term paper

[@TheOmegaGamer]

31:04 actually no, shotguns in real life can be used at a distance and still do consequential damage on the target, the weakening spread mechanism most shooters use is a myth

[@petamerican2588]

Yet another person who knows this

[@parmanello]

Also, shortly after this, talking about the SMG having a large "clip".

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

the more people say that the Doom 3 shotgun is realistic, the warmer my blood gets

[@-NGC-6302-]

Doesn’t it depend whether a shotgun’s shells are loaded with shot or slugs?

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

@@-NGC-6302- buckshot is still incredibly accurate, and so is birdshot for that matter. I mean, come on, it literally has the word "bird" in its name! That means it's used to take out birds! Which are small targets! And move really fast! Why am I using exclamation marks!!!

[@DOOT_II]

F for Doom Eternal's original menu music

[@Liitaro]

What happened to it?

[@ethanedwards4847]

@@Liitaro I believe it got changed with the release of TAG2.

[@doodguytheblank2403]

F in chat for the original style of doom music

[@GuyOnTheInternet53]

The new music is better lol

[@jangoongfuel]

The menu music had the same whistle as the fight against the Icon of Sin in Doom II. F.

[@BCsJonathanTM]

Dude, this is a really amazing film! I'm going down Doom rabbithole while in the middle of reading Romero's "Doom Guy", and this feature length documentary (tbh) is an amazing introduction, overview, and exploration of all the bits of Doom I missed over the years!

[@Westile]

30:59 "Shotgun needs to be crammed right down a demon's throat to be most effective" "I know that's how shotguns work but its a contrast to DOOM's shotty which could be used as a rifle" Its funny that you say that because shotguns IRL are way closer to functioning like DOOM 1 and 2's as opposed to 3's or any shotty in a modern FPS really.

[@Kornflaek]

Doom 2016 title drop gives me chills

[@TehDarkOn3]

Aubrey Hodges did the soundtrack to one of my favorite DOS games, Quest for Glory 4, Shadows of Darkness. The tones and themes he chose to use perfectly captures the Gothic/Slavic feel of the game's setting. By far one of the best OSTs for a game of its era.

[@JunRozenovich]

"I know how shotguns work" Well you dont. Shotguns effective only in close range - purely videogame thing.

[@EnigmacTheFirst]

Lol, that’s what I thought

[@petamerican2588]

Ikr

[@Hapetiitti]

If you've ever tried skeet shooting, you know how much precision shotguns actually require - even at 30 yards, the spread is ridiculously small!

[@elitereptilian200]

Indeed but, realistic shotguns would be pretty OP in games so they make them work only on melee range for balances sake, annoying but understandable.. you could say that he knows how videogame shotguns work 😂

[@jasonjayalap]

and he's talking about video games. It's safe to assume "how shotguns are supposed to work in video games."

[@bobrooney3336]

the doom eternal presentation kicked into gears for me when they said something along the lines of "lets see some mouse and keyboard gameplay" VERY nice Documentary, well scripted and voiced. Credits where credits are due

[@RedAce93]

Poor Doom 3, my most played game of the series. I was hoping you would have nicer things to say but oh well, good content as always.

[@MicrowavedBunny]

I love your content so much, Liam! Please always keep your head up!

[@David.Marquez]

Now I know what I'll be doing for the next hour and a half.

[@BlizzardOfSteel]

Well worth it!

[@bean108]

Personally, I like Doom 3's PDA system. I like sitting back after a small gunfight, hearing about the going-ons of the facilityI'm wandering through, putting together the pieces as to the events leading up to our arrival and Mars City's destruction. I find it to be a very good redux of Doom 1, and a good reboot of how the series began.

[@masterdeity3400]

It’s cool and all, it’s just there needs to be an option that allows you to listen to the audio logs as you’re moving and exploring. Doom 2016 and Eternal essentially have it worse cause you actually have to read the text and what little audio there is, you have to be directly in front of the source to hear it.

[@bean108]

@@masterdeity3400 You can listen to the audio logs while on the move, they just have to be actively playing.

[@liamcollins9691]

Your passion for this franchise bleeds through with such sincerity. You come across like you genuinely adore the games and aren't just hopping on the bandwagon. I hope your struggles with leukemia are all behind you, I'm sorry to hear you've had to battle such an awful disease

[@hihowrya370]

What's really interesting to see is how Wolfenstein The New Order and Doom 2016 plays the same role as their original counterparts. Wolfenstein 3D was the first "true" FPS game but Doom 93 popularized it. Wolfenstein The New Order is the first boomer shooter to be modernized and reinvented but Doom 2016 is the game that popularized the boomer shooter genre and refresh the FPS gaming scene. It's really interesting to see.

[@Т1000-м1и]

Your videos let me touch the wonderfulness of escapism that video games gave me as a child. I could just sort of actually live a life a few hours every day. Forget the confused game of telephone but nobody even pretends to think about anything of the world outside and just sorta have a world with other people who went there to get the weird mess right out and just.... just actually live. We sorta had in a way like actual like sometimes similar to countries even. Thats how big the scale of the starting social media games era was. It wasn't whatever it became in the middle era. It was a place to..... why now.... dementia no! Whatever I can't actually remember more then 2 seconds of coherent memories of that stuff. I can't actually even talk about what the stuff was like. How screwed must we be if a brain twomore and whatever else is needed to keep me functioning the same way after actually sorting stuff out as I did as a little kid who wasn't ever shown or explained anything and life just went on. Videos games were just like... the first ever thing that I actually could enjoy, and now I cannot eveven rememeber, just... Well I guess making it eaasier tomot think about elementary school is a fair exchange. I don't ever..... ehat the froc am I even doing, this isn'tthecomment I wanted to writte, not past the first like 2 sentences or something. Yeehao

[@PopularZoneGaming]

You forgot to give credit to david levy for his work on the AG soundtrack. It was a joint project between levy and andrew. Levy did about half the tracks, so it's sad that he isn''t getting enough recognition here.

[@THEPurpleEgg]

Check 1:25:35 Idk if he updated it to this, or had it the whole time, but it's there now

[@peo9741]

thank you for being my "overly long video that i listen to while playing terraria" provider

[@vlxnekay]

You. Are. A. True. Gamer.

[@unnf9971]

Senitel Prime is the Gladiator fight (no biggie) The closing thoughts hit close to the chest. That's exactly how I was with doom when I was young. I had shitty PCs for years and I had nothing to play but old dos games. Doom was the ultimate game to fool around for me. I loved the music the pixelated monsters and the sensation of completing a level. I hope you are alright now. Best wishes to you my dude, awesome video essay.

[@mr.midnight1683]

I think I found my new favorite KZbin channel

[@connor_the_otter]

Doom 3 is still my favorite game out of the entire series.

[@derpthegr8689]

Oh that’s disgusting🤢🤮

[@connor_the_otter]

@@derpthegr8689 OH GOD no, an OPINION!? Yah. Disgusting right?

[@nexusshark]

While not my favourite in the franchise, it still holds a special place in my heart and I gladly replay it whenever I find the time.

[@777malkavian]

It's definitely special. Especially if it's your first Doom game and you don't have anything to compare it to.

[@nexusshark]

@@777malkavian Isn't that the same for every game though?

[@HG-fw8hn]

Doom Eternal is the unmatched pinnacle of FPS games so far. Can't wait what comes next

[@brotbrotsen1100]

I really don't know if they can surpass eternal. This one became one of my favorite games and I'm not even that crazy for FPS games.

[@renardwatts5628]

@@brotbrotsen1100 You can always make the movement even faster and more crazy :)

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@renardwatts5628 Yeah but you can't go overkill with it, there always needs to be a balance.

[@doodguytheblank2403]

@@brotbrotsen1100 well if we can’t make it overkill then we will have to settle with *ULTRAKILL*

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@doodguytheblank2403 Funny that you answered when you did, litterally just started getting into doom again.

[@stephentyree9296]

What makes Doom Eternal and it’s expansions forever playable is Hugo’s and his team’s responsiveness to the fans’ wishes. The game is basically tailor made for the players.

[@Firestorm422]

@TwistedGamer This is a really dumb comment, Doom has ALWAYS been hard. The originals ALSO had ammo scarcity That's where some of the difficulty comes from

[@Firestorm422]

@Anti Elitist You can think modern doom should be whatever you want but there is no argument to be made for what the original doom was That is hard set in stone. Personally I'm not of the opinion that Games should be universally accessible, I honestly think some games should just be hard as hell, if that's what the Devs want it to be

[@Firestorm422]

@Anti Elitist You added a lot of shit that I didn't say fucker. I'm not defining what classic doom should be I'm defining what it was definitively Also you are insane if you think fromsoft games are niche and relatively unpopular Elden ring is literally the most popular game this year and that happens generally with most releases of theirs Read what I said again because I said that I think games should be hard if the devs want them to be And they shouldn't be forced or coerced into changing that vision Read better

[@Firestorm422]

@TwistedGamer My philosophy of hard games should exist? I'm not gonna last long under that? I never said that all games should be hard. Just that not all games HAVE to be. Maybe actually read what I'm saying, it'll help next time

[@Firestorm422]

@TwistedGamer Uh no, the Doom games have always been difficult, especially on higher difficulties, saying otherwise is just fucking lying

[@michaelfalcao1734]

2016:Doomguy and B.J are having a toast to the FPS Renaissance.

[@starkillerrevan1094]

Great work! I've never really been a fan of FPS games, even though I've played Wolfenstein, Doom 1 and 2 as a teenager because I got another bug, that of RTS games which I totally fell in love with. I remember playing Doom 3 at some point, but your video made me want to play Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. However, since I suck at FPS games, I think I'll get killed quite often and it'll be your fault for making such a captivating video that convinced me want to try them. Again, awesome work and keep it up!

[@Turbs94945]

I recently started playing Doom 3: BFG Edition on my nintendo switch, and I absolutely love it. The graphics are incredible, reading/listening to stuff on the PDA is super interesting, combat is fun, and I overall love it. Easily one of my favorite entries into the series.

[@0oidiedinatimemachineo024]

yeah I legit like Doom 3. But I do get why a lot of people wouldn't like it because its not the same fast faced FPS gameplay that most people like about Doom.

[@Turbs94945]

@@0oidiedinatimemachineo024 True

[@BygoneT]

I literally just finished the main Doom 3 story after 10 painful straight hours of play. I gotta say everything until Hell is pretty weak. A bit too repetitive, the horror atmosphere I liked, but I wasn't scared by it in the least. The imps look like dumbasses and the models are kind of meh sometimes but it's cool. I just played 5 minutes of the RoE DLC and it looks like a lot of fun. Goddamn that cyberdemon looks absolutely amazing. The fight i didn't like very much but holy shit that mountain of hell rocket churning muscle is just incredible.

[@Turbs94945]

@@BygoneT For me it's the opposite. The game is great up until the Hell parts and it was kinda scary, not much though.

[@mik3y80]

I saw this video and thought to myself, " oh another DOOM review video" Started watching and you have nailed it! I would actually say Up there with Ahoys Videos! Top stuff mate, This would have taken ages to Make, Just subbed, Cheers mate.

[@NinjaRunningWild]

Ahoy's video on Doom is kiddie pool deep. Otherwise I agree.

[@tenacious645]

Wow he's WAY off about Doom 3. The PDAs immersed me entirely in the world of Doom 3. The game is dripping with atmosphere

[@coltforceplayer]

Yeah people call it survival horror when really it's action horror

[@JTidiotboy]

I almost quit watching after he said Doom 3 was just a footnote. That's just objectively not true. It's my least favorite game in the series but it had a gigantic impact on real-time dynamic lighting. It only looks insignificant if you were too young to compare it to everything else that came out during that time. Nothing even came close and it was a big step forward for the industry.

[@AllknowingUnknown]

Agreed. I absolutely love DooM 3. I actually just finished another playground last week.

[@StigDesign]

yes and alot of lockers had the code hidden too and not on pda, and doom3 was great entry as action horror with proper and realistic story :D

[@creaturedomes9364]

Doom3 was very creepy and fun to play with headphones at night.

[@sansmorty9136]

"the sound track was re-recorded by the ceo of art data and his band in a garage" I just imagine a guy in a suit holding an electric guitar in a garage while two guys that look like they're straight from the band kiss are on the drums and second guitar

[@jeck7287]

At first I thought this was just an Ahoy copy type video, but then he got so in detail into the levels and really took me back. Good video.

[@ashercampbell2571]

It always brings a big smile to my face seeing someone talk about murdering thousands of demons

[@necrosteel5013]

I could even argue that the old doom games are still a valid template for a video game even today. Some changes for a modern realisation of a doom game would be a few weapon rebalances and upgrades A bit of an increase in enemy speed and tad increase of complexity (specifically for some demons to have anti-camping methods which kind of was an issue in the old games). Complex map navigation is an earned skill and a level requirement that should never go away, vertical maneuverability should remain limited to keep infighting a viable tactic.