DOPE CONVERSATIONS: Foreigners in South Africa: Debate Between Ike Khumalo & Rutendo Matinyarare

[@godpenuel]

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[@wabakwena246]

Bra Ike you made is very SIMPLE, u broke it down to the simplest form for everyone to understand. You didnt need all the political jargon...thank you...

[@mrmsports2419]

Here is a question Pen, please ask Rutendo if he does acknowledge Zanu's bad governance is the reason why there is mass migration into SA? Because the Zim situation and tribal hate in the country is not on Sanctions

[@lethu_z]

Ask Rutendo why he has so many solutions for South Africa's problems but doesn't want to go back home and apply that big brain of his to his country's problems, the guy doesn't even want to go home to vote.

[@NinohBrown]

My question is do these guys really think Africa will be 'liberated' or stable with Integration? Shouldn't we try to push for segration? Get one country to share a similar way of life and culture. Clearly pan Africanism has not worked as a concept the outputs is horrendous to say the least. There is no accountability, listening to Rutendo all Zim problems start with SA and ends with SA. My question is: 1. Is integration (pan Africanism) as concept working for South Africa or Africa? 2. Are Zim actually able to find solutions to their own problems instead of blaming everyone even dbsa or sabc. I mean Pen talks a lot about an alternative to SA media that's what you guys have done with podcasts. Why isn't there a Zim podcaster doing the samething creating the alternative.

[@lethu_z]

@@NinohBrown Integration has been shoved down our throats globally as something desirable and anyone who dares question it as the best way to structure our societies is immediately attacked as being a racist and/or xenophobe. It's a fact that societies that are homogenous in terms of language, cultures, ethnicities and a possess a single shared national identity tend to be more socially cohesive. Look at Japan, The Scandanavian countries, China, etc. Pan-Africanism will never work, too much variation in language, and culture in Africa. We are already contending with tribalism in S.A, now imagine if we tried integrating all these different tribes and cultures into one.

[@akerevic7676]

As a 🇨🇲, I will always be grateful for South Africa. The most friendly country in the world in my opinion

[@hlanganisambatha614]

I wish to visit Duala some day

[@seanmikaeel90s50]

How many countries have you traveled to ??😢

[@mrsoshadabaadman]

​@seanmikaeel90s50 Things are bad. But we take it for granted things are really bad out there.

[@lastkubvoruno]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bruh like really

[@lethabomahlanya4249]

Too friendly for own good hey.😢I would even say it's detrimental to an extent.

[@afrikaiswoke5667]

As a foreigner I am grateful to South Africa bcoz there is no other country that would have allowed me to accomplish what I have living as a free Black Man...South African people and institutions have welcomed me and I dont consider them hostile or irrational...People must also understand that South Africa is a Post-Colonial State and there is a limit to its capacity given its own challenges...SA has done a lot more for Africans than other African Countries have or would have done...SA doesn't have infinite capacity so people have to deal with that at some point

[@tsholofelomocumi4207]

Thank you!

[@lefasehole1978]

Tell them pls

[@mzingayebrilliantxaba1824]

As a foreigner, I agree with you 100 percent. Also I think it's important to state that these two do not represent everyone. Rutendo and Ike do not represent everyone.

[@GossiphiveEnt]

Well said, thank you 🙏🏻

[@Kushy36]

How I wish Politicians would fix the country so people don’t feel threatened anymore. I wish that we would live in harmony. I love myself so much that I see myself in every black person.

[@mbukeni14]

Shoutout........to Ike Khumalo Mtungwa........ for representing us and our beautiful country🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦❤️, you stood with us Ndoda this guy from Zim is always talking nonsense about our leaders. He needs to go back to Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 and use he's intelligent to fix Zimbabwe. Asibonge 🤝🏿🙌🏿

[@calvintichaonamantsebo9849]

Ike is shallow, like most black South afrikans

[@revolution475]

Not once does he blame ZANU PF, which is quite suggestive 😏.

[@mbukeni14]

@revolution475 Instead of blaming zanu PF, he will talk nonsense about our leaders, forgetting that we know what they did to Ndebele people.

[@Silas8732]

Less wisdom and arrogant +ignorance +heartless please calculate

[@mbukeni14]

@Silas8732 who must calculate chief?

[@wabakwena246]

I am correct in saying Matinyarare's intro is referring to immigration during an " ARMS STRUGGLE" in SA. Only a handful of SAns went into exile to various African countries due to the apartheid regime. This is not the type of immigration exodus that SA is seeing today. Most Africans are entering SA today with the INTENTION to grab opportunities from SAns NOT to replan/calculate ways on how to go back to their countries and fight for change. The immigration situation in SA today cannot be compared to what Rutendo is talking about..

[@wongama6651]

Well said bra.....

[@pakisoramatlo5556]

True

[@mthimbanenamanje210]

lama kwerekwere just love lying to themselves.

[@edmundsishange3608]

@wabakwena246 my sentiments exactly, Rutendo is completely dishonest, we must compare apples with apples.

[@daisystrachan7584]

Amen

[@W.GlobalAffairs]

This is epic. Let's have an audience next time that will have a chance to ask questions. And journalists. Also try to establish order coz there is more of a quarrel than dialogue.

[@nomasontogumede7090]

Rutendo you are good we need such education to form the Pan African government

[@SarahMolubi]

MR Khumalo you are soo right NNETE

[@mthokozisimagagula]

IKE's parting shot was world class...

[@sikhombisomchunu9047]

These fellow Africans have helped some of us dearly I’m writing this with a cry inside. At my school a physics teacher is leaving just because he doesn’t feel safe anymore. Come to think about it he was more than a physics teacher to us and many students he taught. “Our father “ is what we call him , he personally helped me a lot and he made a great living teaching and helping South Africans. Many have succeeded because of his teachings.

[@adigunlamar]

@@sibongisenikhumalo8198it not a competition dude 😒😒, just acknowledge what the guy said ..

[@Mathilda5xp]

@@sibongisenikhumalo8198 That is so unfair.

[@ShadrackKhoza]

On spot Ike, Rutendo must go back and fixes his country finish.

[@lindanimkhize3225]

Pen... This thing of illegal immigrant is really a problem in this country of ours, I work with foreigners and these guys they work so hard to kick us out as the South Africans in the workplace the way they treat us is actually... I don't even knw how I can put that, but that an evil way of treating people like that in their own country... But it a pity bcz they've been given the platforms to be our foremens by the employers nd they keep on recruiting each other SAns are completely out of the picture.... What happening is so sad ND this government of ours doesn't seem to care

[@aykay9328]

Vote PA next time

[@gadaffidjokkie0028]

As a History enthusiastic I like how articulate Rutendo is on his perception...but you can't believe everything you read. 😊

[@dennisflo9284]

calling scavengers like this opportunist brothers and sisters is the worst form of self-hate

[@ayobampilo5762]

The worst form of self hate is when you are black and use a white people name as your identity Dennis

[@michealmicheal2305]

As a foreigner, what is happening in SA other countries wnt tolerate it i dnt blame south africans when they are angry .

[@zakababamango676]

I hate all foreigners living our country

[@noluvondlebe8513]

That is true

[@khulekanimthethwa4871]

GO TO YOUR COUNTRY THEN

[@timetochangethecolonizatio613]

The must remove the really enemies and that are the colonizers not the Africans!

[@tapiwamuzonzini2316]

As a Zimbabwean who lives in Zimbabwe I think Ike is on point Zimbabweans should just come back home and deal with our economy and leave South Africans to deal with their challenges. Ordinary South Africans don't owe anyone anything

[@Mahlanzaa2108]

Deal with the economy how😂

[@KagisoDire-fo6bt]

Yea u must take ur zim people and rule ur own country before other immigration take ur zim country.

[@doesntmatter8093]

I agree. They voted to chase farmers out and destroy an economy, just like we are doing. If you vote for this you must suffer. Don't chase farmers out and then come to their country looking for food. Rather watch your brother's doing exactly the same in our criminally run junk status.

[@sandilesz4660]

It's not that easy, I think what South African should've done is make a case to lift all those sanctions cause you guys might not have the resources, that would go a long way in balancing both states.

[@PrinceZondo]

Uyahlanya wena thina since I was at school the only place I know when I finish school is Joz manje uzama ukuthini wena hlala wena eZimbabwe

[@thabisomthembu3854]

Rutendo debate is aimed at blaming RSA for Zim problems, we do not owe Zimbabwe a cent, this debate is out of context, are we now in a history class or the issue of foreigners in RSA? to be precise not only Zim but all foreigners at large.

[@baliwemenyatso1824]

Zim doesn't owe Zimbabwe billions of dollars as Rutendo claims . Neither did Zim liberated SA . Rutendo go back to Zimbabwe nd fix it

[@raymondtinashewmukomba2134]

South Africa owes Zimbabwe big time.

[@zenith8868]

We have now been overcrowded, overtaken, overwhelmed, overpowered, dominated by a migration crisis

[@mooshsaidi7351]

That is because you had corrupt people at the border who were accepting money to let them through.

[@KofiDavid-r4y]

So what

[@ljlinen]

@@KofiDavid-r4y So we have 10x the competition. wheres your common sense

[@moeletsinyembe7514]

​@ljlinen what's your point wena!

[@lehapanamaleto6059]

​@@KofiDavid-r4ygo back to your home

[@mfundonzama4815]

What's confusing me is that Zimbabweans have so many answers for South Africa (how South african economy should be structured) yet they can't solve Zimbabwean' economic situation... HAI ngeke bafwethu ake nizame okunye. Why study South African problems in such a way that you can even come up with solutions but can't come up with solutions for your own economy...

[@moeletsinyembe7514]

Too much comfortability, and forget where they coming from.

[@HectorM_Empath]

Thank you for bringing that South African advocate who is so clear and honest about the South African situation.

[@cmukupo1606]

😊😊

[@OfentseMaboe777]

100 million dollars every day? This Rutando is smoking something strong.

[@Augustinmasedi348]

Rutendo is starting to sound like that friend who plugged you with a job and start feeling entitled to your salary forever , we can't be held hostage by history and entitlement

[@FictionHubZA]

Ahhhhhh🤣😂

[@NDIZOPOPA]

😂

[@samuelkapoko2073]

Lol😂😂😂

[@ntsikelelonzekana3072]

😂😂😂

[@deidrejaimeewoods5521]

I cant even buy a house in my own country let alone get an RDP so a Zimbabwean is entitled to my rights as a citizen of South Africa. Basically Retendo is saying we owe Zimbabweans every thing we have. A South African has no right to own rights. Zimbabwean saved us so we owe them our Constitutional rights.

[@nomxhosapekani7966]

Rutendo is good at addressing history but not current issues. He says nothing about part-time refugees who go home Easter and Christmas.

[@lethu_z]

lol part-time refugees 😂

[@mninawamavuso3816]

😂😂😂

[@Kupefilms]

I think what he is saying, is difficult for you to understand.

[@DocMadlisa]

Rutendo is a clown. He just reads history and comes to these podcasts to talk nonsense. The guy doesn’t believe Friday comes before Saturday.

[@ackimbanda6334]

It's everybody's fault but Zimbabwe 😅

[@innocentgoitseone3715]

Zims deserve to be in zim and fix their country

[@nomxhosapekani7966]

Part-time refugees who go home Easter and Christmas😂😂 chased whites out of Zim and come to work for them in SA😂😂

[@wongama6651]

Exactly!

[@lehlohonoloephraim9524]

Exactly, they overstayed their welcome.

[@fin2-em2mf]

yet you have south africans in europe , china , amerika and even other african coutnries...there are many boers in sadc....so we will continue to come to SA whether you like it or not

[@Iam_Antidote_forever]

​@@fin2-em2mfwhat's your point?

[@sifisotwalamedia]

South Africans don't owe Zimbabweans a cent. Zimbabweans must work together and build Zimbabwe for themselves.

[@veritas_1980]

Ike speaks about practical issues that we from the ghettos of SA relate very well with , while Rutendo is speaking more from an academic and research led narrative , but we need more of these conversations , and the facilitator has done his homework.

[@BuyaBack]

Well put

[@thetower5184]

true rutendo talking history and war we have a problem now and that's what Ike talking

[@FX-GANG]

Very very true

[@africanandproud6792]

Rutendo or whatever that immigrant is called , speaks from a ZANU PF perspective. He insults our people each time he opens that mouth.

[@amoschiwara6160]

​@@thetower5184history is the study of the past, present and future events... Food for thought

[@walkwithorr]

Summing up what Rutendo is saying Zimbos are never going to fight their leaders they came to repay themselves for helping SA indefinitely🤔 interesting.

[@viriacssa2003]

They never really helped 😅. Mugabe refused to helped SA many times they say. This guy is not entirely telling the truth. He's taking glory in what other African countries did. Open your eyes please SA. You owe nothing to these people.

[@lyndalljere1661]

Please dont judge Zimbabweans based on this guys views, he represents The Zimbabweans government, not the the ordinary Zimbabweans in South Africa, we are grateful that you allowed us to stay, and we dont feel entitled at all ,we are at the mercy of your generosity, Thank you South Africa

[@charmainemoodley2414]

From my conversation with immigrants working in SA, they say that they want EFF to win so that the borders can be open. So I would think that, that is what they are waiting for.

[@asiveklaas4813]

2 people go to exile then 15 million people come to SA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😅😅😅

[@yeastycorn]

Yes and now South Africa belongs to them for the rest of our life's how selfish this foreigners

[@MartinoValentino]

True

[@mosadingsedibane1373]

We need strong black men like IKE to come out and challenge this situation, it’s already out of hand. I have so much respect him.

[@soulstalgiarecords77740]

"The Only borders that irritate people seems to be South Africa's borders"... Author Unknown... But without even listening to the conversation, African, Pakistani, Chinese, European Countries, where their so called 'leaders' and making their countries seemingly not a conducive place to stay in or a happy place to be, must start making their countries attractive for their citizens to return... Cause it is not being Xenophobic, but facts are facts, cause we are competing for basic and other economic opportunities, especially in the small business sector. The entire JHB CBD small business sector has been overly flooded by non South Africans - and those small businesses for the most part does not employ any South Africans... And the level of criminal activities conducted by many many many of these folk is insurmountable... Why does everyone not all flock to Zimbabwe for example, or to Botswana, so that South Africa can get a bit of a breather to find its own footing.

[@TheBoringGuySA]

The reason why the South African boarder seems to irritate people is tantamount to why the American boarders irritate people... South Africa is one of the few countries that have resources and the level of education many seek for, also South Africa has adopted western culture, is a well spoken country in English amongst many, provides benefits to foreigners and unlike America (of which I currently reside for the past 4 years) is much more easier to enter more than many African countries! Our government does not take priority to South African people, but cares more about the housing of people seeking refugee and using them as commodities to suit their own personal agendas. We cannot deny the fact that there's many illegal foreigners (I'd argue more than documented foreigners) in our country and they benefit alot more than our own people. This is a fight bigger than us, we need true intervention.

[@thembi9645]

@@TheBoringGuySAthis is really sad for us ordinary citizens of SA. What do u of Gayton Mackenzie who’s vocal about these issues and he put all SAns first?

[@philad1439]

Problem we have is a 1 way traffic to our strenuous economy also with the crimes these people create and I am 1 of those South Africans who say hell to borderless Africa.

[@bman_Sethu]

Great point

[@ShaunJulies]

Ike won this debate. Rutendo is smart, but does not have a sufficient argument as to why Zimbabweans and other illegal foreigners should be in South Africa. We have to be for South Africans first. No other country in the world allows illegal foreigners to do what they want in their country except for South Africa.

[@jamelajamelafarms2025]

Rutendo just has the ability to speak beyond that it’s all lies and nonsense, regurgitating some propaganda lines is nonsense

[@banyana6515]

I am from Botswana, we too are tired of Zimbabweans. Truly. We are tired of their crimes. Harassing our women. We are tired. Ike is right that there are certain crimes that you know right away are perpetuated by Zims. I support the put South Africans first movement. You can't be oppressed by other Africans in your own country.

[@bongibhebhe2016]

He is not smart he only has information

[@harriscreativity8260]

As a foreigner, I feel incredibly grateful to South Africa. This country has bestowed upon us a valuable gift: protection, education, and freedom that many of us lacked in our home countries. I strongly believe that history should be made mandatory in education systems worldwide. By learning about the past, we can educate ourselves and avoid repeating the same mistakes. History has the power to guide us and save us from a lot of unnecessary trouble. Thank you, South Africa, for being a beacon of hope and opportunity for so many of us.

[@alltheseeknaturemoves]

No sense of intitlement in your response, you're a brother of mine, and I wish the best for you and your family

[@Desi365]

BOT

[@stephentlhaole5701]

My only concern is why are you QUIET when the other foreigners are doing all these things that South Africans are labelling and painting you blacker than black? Why don't you call out and shame your brothers who are not seen as Africans in South Africa. You need to be seen to be doing something not just praise South Africa!

[@oupalesejane-makgotlho2995]

China and other African countries was sanctioned as well but you'll never hear Chinese those other African countries pointing fingers, only the Zimbabweans and why are they all flocking to SA

[@angiekmokhuoane3895]

@maxwellmabuza1988 so true hey..

[@mutwa_0]

"They chased white farmers away and now they run after the same white farmers in South Africa to work for them." ADV IKE 😂😂😂😂

[@tomdewaal3134]

I agree 100% with you. But why is south Africa now doing the same, chasing white farmers away...if we as south Africans can just work together we can be the most prosperous country, but instead we fight one another ...we should be fighting for our country not amongst each other. Let's get foreigners out and employ south Africans in south africa

[@mutwa_0]

@@tomdewaal3134 work together with who?

[@annamojapelo2292]

​@@tomdewaal3134And do what with the farms.Can you manage a farm

[@thembamsibi7424]

In a very basic sense it would be impossible for me to adopt children into my family when I am struggling to provide for my own children.

[@edmundsishange3608]

Absolutely! That's pretty much what it is in a nutshell and that's what SAns are saying over and over but they continue to be invalidated and called names.

[@daisystrachan7584]

Exactly my sentiment

[@dinaledi4085]

Finish and Klaar

[@011THEWALL]

This is only true when you expect your government to provide everything for you. South Africans really are children of the failing ANC. Look at all the biggest empires of the world; You cant become one without foreigners. So comrade, I would adopt anyone as long as they contribute to the empowerment of my family. e.g British Common Wealth, China, UNITED STATES of A and EU.

[@nhlosenhlenzuza4963]

Simple straight forward

[@bhekimadonsela7926]

After listening to Rutendo's submission, Zimboz are not interested in fixing Zim period

[@mubs4life]

Exactly

[@MartinVilakazi-ft9de]

You nail it at the head 🤞

[@Cleo256]

I totally agree he's blaming everyone else he feels he's owed something

[@luzukombuqu4976]

​@@Cleo256he thinks and speak like an entitled child. When they did not contribute much in our struggle.

[@Cleo256]

@@luzukombuqu4976 absolutely

[@gmangman8318]

South Africans were in their country fighting their struggle, our uncles and aunts were ducking bullets, didn't pack their bags , Zimbabweans are fighting their struggle on social media in foreign lands and hope for change, can't even go for few days to go vote, this blackmail by Zimbabweans around history doesn't hold any waters, if you love your country that much you'll fight for it like South Africans did

[@thubelihlendlovu6190]

Exe me bruu wat did South Africans for kahle kahle

[@thubelihlendlovu6190]

And wat did we achieve

[@kudakwashezvandasara1277]

You were given freedom not independence…you won the wrong war hence the economy is still in the hands of the oppressor and you have nothing to show for it

[@elliasdlamini702]

100 percent true , what they doing is really pathetic

[@thembi9645]

Ducking bullets indeed but according to Rutendo Zimbabwe liberated SA 😂😂😂

[@lesplaatjies5072]

All that this conversation showed me is that people feel we owe them our lives! We are nothing without them. So they can do as they please. That's why we are not speaking about the current situation but stating the lies that happened over 40 years ago.

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Africa and it's communism... it's why the regime Pre 94 waged a war on communism. You can't work with a communist and the DA is a prime example of it

[@isaacmmutlane7461]

Rutendo is a history teacher however he says nothing about current issues. Well done to Ike.

[@jabulilemlaka6253]

Yazi, he has made me realize that his history lesson is his perspective...😮😢

[@mzansikykandluister702]

Isaac he knows very well about the current issues but he chooses to act as though they dont exist because acknowledging the issues honestly and truthfully would be an admission of guilt

[@MoorenaEl]

YA'LL TRULY DON'T GET IT.

[@jamelajamelafarms2025]

Rutendo lies so much it is so sad that Ike and Penuel are not informed enough to challenge him

[@noreenm5018]

Rutendo creates stories, if Ike focused on clarifying his mentally created history, the interview was not going to discuss any relevant current issues. Ike swayed the interview to mention the current challenges. Ww all know history and we are talking about current issues.

[@JacksonmasebenzaJongilanga]

u fool

[@MnikeloMjakuja]

I agree with you Rutendo lies,i think he needs people like Taffy.

[@thandomalahle3026]

Zimbabweans tend to look down on South Africans, they have this condescending attitude towards us and continue to call us lazy yet they are enjoying the fruits of our labour

[@tereraijaravaza8091]

The country doesnt belong to you because you have an ID. We all belong to SA with our mixed heritage. Africa is one and let that sink in your head. You rather love and embrace whites and indians and hate those who look like you and related to you😂😂

[@cadencendhlovu2492]

which labor baba

[@rosina1998]

😂😂

[@romcie8204]

@@cadencendhlovu2492 🤣😂😂

[@sellomabina3939]

@@cadencendhlovu2492 the one we used to build this country

[@JohnKirsten-qt6mf]

Thank you Adv Khumalo, for being honest about South Africa and being a true patriot.

[@yvettelanga5256]

I like Ike Khumalo, he represented us ordinary South Africans very well. I didn’t know him before this debate and now I want to know more about him…

[@siyanomagqwathekane3581]

He is a member of operation dudula

[@kimjongun1777]

@@siyanomagqwathekane3581nope he left operation Dudula he said it has been infiltrated by ppl looking for money

[@rainbowofsoups8570]

@@kimjongun1777 poor judgement?

[@thabomokwana967]

Ike is been there through and through, he is consistence since started.

[@tumisanglethoko2200]

That's how I felt after watching, an interview between Penuel and Gayton, I love this Penuel, he is doing better job than Sabc🙄👌

[@viriacssa2003]

Chris Hani in the documentary said Zimbabweans handed them to the apartheid regime. 😢

[@edmundsishange3608]

Yes, he was right but Rutendo won't tell you that because he is dishonest. Mugabe himself is on record saying SA must fight for their own liberation yet according to Rutendo Zim was rooting for us, a lot of bullshit

[@zodwagumede5700]

​@@edmundsishange3608yes this guy is liar

[@mokonehlokisi9945]

​@@edmundsishange3608 the best Rutendo can do, is to go and help his country curb inflation... Ike is just too much for him

[@Beatyoutoit34]

@@mokonehlokisi9945😂😂😂😂😂 I was never ready

[@mokonehlokisi9945]

@@Beatyoutoit34 🤣🤣🤣🤣... Hayi... Bro, I'm happy that Baba IKE put this small minded boy to his place. He ( Rutendo) has been putting a lot of misguided content just to feed his Pro Zimbabwean agenda.

[@lukhangelemgweba987]

Rutendo knows the history of both countries. However, he clearly avoided discussing the contemporary issue of migration.

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

He is trained to deflect abd was allowed to waste our time with history that is irrelevant to the current problems of illegal migration.

[@ntobekomangena2958]

He spreads disinformation cause he knows the audience won't d their own research

[@zeblonhlangabeza-wk2gr]

He will not talk of migration koz it's his uncles the Shona who are in power looting and mismanaging the economy him he is a beneficiary of the system he will never say anything bad about them unomsangano enhlokweni yakhe

[@thembi9645]

And he failed dismally, he made sure to run away from those questions

[@roblucci2366]

He's known for twisting history to suit his own narrative on Twitter He's a liar!

[@AdamKazembe]

Im a Zimbabwean in S.A . undocumented 🙈. I feel so embarrassed that we are stooping so low to the extend of bringing history to justify our invasion of this country . We need to put our house in order as Zimbabweans

[@CwengaMaqhashu]

No its not stooping low wen you seeking assistance from family,we will never be free until we Unite.

[@jabusikhakhane1465]

Well said brother, I respect you for having said that

[@hopes9451]

​@@CwengaMaqhashuUnite how? By forcefully being here,? That's not unity but display of arrogance for not wanting to face your own problems at home and holding SA at ransom for the mistakes made by your politicians. South Africa does not want to unite with all Africans here but we want you all to go home and make your countries to be economically stable, so that we can also be able to deal with our social issues. Only then we can cooperate and do business together. There won't be any uniting done in SA!!

[@Bee-dp3st]

So you need to go back and do things right. Please stop being disrespectful.

[@RaulJiminez-rd5eq]

The honest and somewhat funny confession 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️🔥

[@costaqwabe5683]

I thought they gona talk about influx of Zimbwabwe immigrants..............now we listening to a history lesson............Haai Penuel nawe ndoda

[@baliwemenyatso1824]

Penuel gave more time to Rutendo to mitigate his sufferings, Rutendo shud have been a Prime Minister in Zimbabwe nd shut up

[@sydneygumede6156]

Thabk you Ike for being a voice to the voiceless. We are behind you 100%. Drug dealers have killed our boys.

[@Facts_Only_SA]

Rutendo spoke 75% of the time telling us history... he always go off topic and discuss history.

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

It is a strategy, they train you to dominate the discussion and talk too long so that the opponent and the interviewer does not get the chance to question you. You control the narrative.

[@pmambongwe8640]

He has no solutions for Zim but for SA

[@jabulilemlaka6253]

Rutendo said nothing when he was asked about the solution....😅

[@revolution475]

​@@jabulilemlaka6253Because the solution starts with free and fair elections in Zim, something ZANU PF will never accept. And he makes it a point to not touch even the low hanging fruit.

[@jabulilemlaka6253]

@revolution475 yoo hayi. We live in a sick world. He is not a revolutionary.

[@jaunalonzo5866]

Ike Khumalo we agree 100%

[@siya8993]

Great history debate. We understand history is needed for context. But please address current issue's facing Zimbabwe & South Africa with illegal immigration.

[@Missforexcharts]

NO AFRICAN IS ILLEGAL IN AFRICA

[@ritchie-xyz]

​Rutendo is not addressing the real issues. He is talking history.

[@kudzimarufu6332]

You have to know your history to move forward

[@ritchie-xyz]

@@kudzimarufu6332 hopeful next time he will focus on the issues at hand.

[@viriacssa2003]

He is always like this. Let him fix Zimbabwe

[@hosiaramashata938]

I thought he wil give us a solution 😮

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

Strategy

[@JohnHaze4666]

No matter what rutendo says we know who helped us Zambia Angola and Tanzanian and the footprint are still there.

[@bekisiphotshili2566]

Yes, yes, yes. Zambia and Tanzania and Angola helped South Africa immensely. And they are not coming back to South Africa demanding to be citizens.

[@zakhemabaso6644]

Don't forget Eswatini where Tutus, Mandelas, and Motsepes kids went for education.

[@kjj9568]

ANC headquarters was based in Zambia & our country was independent from 1964 yet Rutendo underplays its role & overestimates Zim' s role that was only independent since 1980. Tanzania & Angola was also a frontline state with Zambia but we dont have this level of entitlement on SA! Let SA live please geez!

[@JohnHaze4666]

@@zakhemabaso6644 eswatini & Lesotho are indirectly province's of S.A. your population works here so if I were you I'll keep quiet cause the spotlight will be on you and you will wish you never say what you said we owe you big( O)

[@m.m5241]

​@@bekisiphotshili2566you crazy n have clearly never traveled outside SA coz these countries fear SA

[@Iam_Antidote]

My uncle is a MK veterans he said in Zimbabwe his friends were killed by Zimbabwean. He said they hated south africans in exil they treated us less than humans. This guy Rutendo is a liar

[@CharlieCade-lb2gi]

The ignancy in here is Horrible The white Opp ressors are loving these comments by Black people Rutendo is partially responsible for getting sanctions lifted in Zim, and some of you dare to call him a liar… smh shame shame shame

[@Iam_Antidote]

@ronaldjere5651 yeah in Zambia he said he had best time of his life

[@user1-il3zj]

How do you feel after learning History of Hittler(european history that happened in Europe) in school while there's more local history which can make us understand each other better? I feel betrayed😂😂 And the funny thing is that young kids are still learning it even today, none of my kids will learn that bullsh*t

[@mike_lungile746]

Yooo yazin, that is another main topic we should touch on

[@mirandanaledi3596]

I became sad and angry all at the same time ... We were fed lies and misled

[@sebentilezanini1085]

And their children here in Europe are being told they came to civilise us...we were living in the bush uncultured. And we are correcting that...they came to loot our resources

[@samhomela2833]

i feel you too brother i know more European history of Hilter and russia UK and china than I know sothern African history this has exposed me and I feel the history syllbus must change at southern African schools to more local history and little international history

[@jabulilemlaka6253]

"Its every one's fault but Zimbabweans "said Ike

[@melvamaribolla6323]

According to him it's South Africans fault hebanna this guy instead of fighting for your own country he sat more than an hour hour saying South Africa this South Africa that

[@vuvufuzzy2594]

I've just realized how little to nothing I know about Southern African or African history, thank you Penuel for hosting these great minds

[@trankadaffi]

Well done to you for being open minded enough to allow yourself to be taught at your adulthood stage... Check the comments people are more angry and emotional than allowing themselves to learn

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

When Zimbabwe Mozambique opens its mouth it's all lies to push a narrative. Everything coming out of Zimbabwe is anti white yet tell white South Africa and the world where is white Rhodesia today? Now we must fund these people, keep dreaming. If South Africa doesn't get ab immediate handel on a "never ending liberation struggle" against South Africa it's going to be far worse than apartheid! The international community ALREADY pushing a successful regime change, if the come into our borders where does black South Africa go then?

[@DeekayLabron]

I was harassed in Zimbabwe because I couldn't find my passport am South African, Nigeria made me pay at the airport because I had overstayed with few days it was that or I miss my flight and Swaziland they got to my hotel to kick me out because I had decided to leave the following day I was tired to travel and the same people expect SA to carry them free of charge not fair

[@mbongenikhumalo8014]

This Benson guy like to quote irrelevant history! Bra Ike represented very well. Thank you bra Ike

[@zeblonhlangabeza-wk2gr]

Uyazi i was surprised to see Ike in the driving mood cruising so well he really didn't disappoint like Rutendo who had no points at all.Rutendo went overdrive trying to obscure the burning issue of immigration.there is this lie that Zanu and Mugabe contributed in assisting ANC to fight the Apartheid government it really irritates me because Zanu even arrested some MK comrades for having links with Zapu

[@harmonyssleeprelaxationsou9901]

Ike was interrupted so much even stopped from talking by Penuel, only to allow Rutendo to continue for a VERY long time.

[@nomvulangozo4277]

Wangicika o uPenuel 😂😂😂for years njalo

[@batistamanuel6546]

@penual - Please ask the two gentlemen this questions: Health and Social Services: How can South Africa's health and social service systems accommodate both the needs of its own citizens and the foreign population, particularly in terms of access, affordability, and quality?

[@zakhemabaso6644]

I believe part of the solution is for people like Ike to use his influence to force the government to de-register and remove a lot of the foreign funded NGOs who push a human rights agenda that destabilises society.

[@oulangkous718]

By making tax paying citizens pay for it. Thus the push for this NHI

[@princesstshabalala4102]

A very good Question @batistamanuel

[@Mazulue]

Sharing is caring😊😊😊

[@GossiphiveEnt]

Ike Khumalo understands the assignment ❤️🙏🏻

[@fritznn1606]

Held no punches 😂

[@kumbiektw]

What’s the assignment?Instil hate and divide each other?That Ike guy is evil and represents bad society .

[@nhlosenhlenzuza4963]

​@@kumbiektw😂l😂l😂😂l

[@africanandproud6792]

@@kumbiektwThe evil one is that ZANU PF pervert that Ike is debating with. How wish he could leave our country .

[@williamshakur8715]

​@@kumbiektw we love him

[@thabisodavid4008]

Rutendo would rather debate a South African with issues concerning south Africans and he would ignore the issues that affect him and his family in his own native country called Zimbabwe... plus Rutendo will mislead you with his farfached history 😢😮

[@jethromokwena2948]

Exactly that's a problem with Rutendo matinyaeare blaming sanctions all the time we need zimbabwe to work hard and change the current dictatorship in zimbabwe Rutendo should agree yes we as zimbabweans we have failed because this thing of blaming sanctions honestly we are going nowhere the west and Americans are fighting for their own people so blaming sanctions my brother Rutendo should be asking the current government what are we doing for our people rather than blaming this guy Rutendo is a lemme

[@zwelakhezwane4128]

We have been carrying Zimbabweans for 30years now, sacrificing our children future.We get arrogance, infrastructure destruction,betrayal, entertainment..Yet no Zimbabweans are pushing nor fighting their struggle, but happy and wanting our citizenship taking our Governoment to court😢

[@toribabe1000]

30 years 😮 cum now

[@nkululekodubedube9250]

Zanu people will never be thankful for what you did by accommodating us because they are the enemies pf Zimbabwean people

[@kphosh]

They have no pride shame... they want to be something they are not so badly... they must go home... we are busy dealing with ANC bona they love ANC... they taking us back... go home and vote. Finish n klaar.

[@MrCubes3]

Why do you get bothered by other Africans in your country? , there are plenty of South Africans here in Zambia we are not bothered because we do not view it as okay to hate or wish for any fellow African to feel unwelcomed, I feel other countries need to start being hostile towards you south africans in their countries, make sure you do not need any other African countries for anything! Yall should be worried about the whites who have always been in your countries stealing from you since time in memorial yet you are here complaining about other countries working in your countries its disgusting that most of you feel so independent & better than other African countries we should have left yall alone during apartheid. Yall are lazy and ungrateful chasing foreigners whole give all South Africans jobs and degrees its just ridiculous and appalling.

[@kadimaalain2658]

We ? What do you do that’s more than the foreigners who is working ? Mxm go sit in your cold shack alone

[@kemmoneR]

Nah, Rutendo is exaggerating Zim involvement in Our struggle. He is rewriting history this one.

[@viriacssa2003]

😅 now South Africa is a reason Zimbabwe failed, narcissistic people don't want to take responsibility. 😂. Zimbabwe work on your country

[@FictionHubZA]

​@@viriacssa2003Yeses. He played the victim card so hard. "Everyone is the problem but us."

[@FictionHubZA]

​@@viriacssa2003Yeses. He played the victim card so hard. "Everyone is the problem but us."

[@theonly6359]

Are you another Ike?? I mean come on the guy is terrible at historical knowledge.

[@bridgebee3914]

It's a shame that you say such a statement, you agree that there was involvement, at the time it was needed and it was given, soo you say thank you.

[@BantuConnrct]

South africans have been nothing but good to Zimbabweans, we have treated Zimbabweans way better than mnagangwa

[@brianncube4650]

Especially the Ndebele people who have never known independence in Zimbabwe,the Rutendo just lies and speaks positive of ZANU,who have never done a single good thing

[@habsonrungwe195]

Fact 💯

[@tweetybw]

@@brianncube4650 fuseki wena nge victim mentality yakho yamasimba youre Zimbabwean when they chase tou out they chase you also Ndebele yomsuzo

[@wandamaze2867]

Most of these Zimbabweans in SA are Ndebeles. And Ndebeles originate from South Africa not Zimbabwe. So how can the Ndebeles be foreigners in SA. This is South African bullshit Xenophobia

[@rodgertebele9437]

@@wandamaze2867 we have always welcomed all people living here 1st…we are saying our capacity is limited now. If Sa is Xenophobic you would’ve never even entered the country. Zim ndebeles are regarded as foreigners cause we still have boarders unfortunately and when it comes December time you all go back to Zim to see your families.

[@faithsemo7348]

This Khumalo guy spits Facts

[@Luther.K.Gonzalo7]

What facts are you talking about?

[@nkosinathimoroeng3013]

The attitude that Ike is complaining about of foreigners thinking they are smarter than South Africans was displayed today.

[@thulzism]

This guy really convinced himself that SA owes him cause there's no way

[@triston9618]

Most of them are like that, one of them was convince that it was SA who was supposed to remove mugabe.

[@bongamdingi6729]

These points being debated are so irrelevant.We dont want a history lesson.We want know why Zimbabweans are in SA in numbers but they are so clever, but cant even change the situation in their country of birth.

[@buyiswabaloi2893]

Did you listen?

[@rasplastering4278]

I don't think they listen

[@mikasa7546]

It's definitely because of incompetent government in Zim,without no doubt Zimbabweans are more clever than South Africans

[@Mafuzafulele]

Ask that again they are so clever at diagnosing what is going wrong in SA and yet they dont want to build their contries.

[@ephraimmukandi5955]

Did u even play this vide😂?

[@nanasi9791]

Ile Khumalo was not given a fair chance to respond.Rutendo sabotaged the whole show to push the Zimbabwe agenda.

[@zandidube8211]

South Africa MUST fix their immigration policy.

[@KedimphoNgrandma]

Our immigration policy is ok but ur climbing crocodile in Limpopo river so immigration policy won’t apply to illegal foreigners as crocodiles can’t stamp passports 😂

[@RayniqueVanderwesthuizen-og2bq]

😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😢​@@KedimphoNgrandma

[@moeketsimosidi2140]

Rutendo loves the sound of his own voice and his views are right according to him and others must tool and not disagree. Fact of the matter is this, South Africa remains one of the few countries that is inclusive and allows foreigners to live out their dreams outside they're homeland. I dare him to go to Nigeria and have these kind of debates and lets see what happens to him.

[@nothingnothing5183]

Who are you and where are you from?

[@moeketsimosidi2140]

@@nothingnothing5183 take a not so wild guess where I'm from.

[@chrisv.noire.6388]

Truth hurts.

[@nothingnothing5183]

@@moeketsimosidi2140 South Africa

[@masolamidah3755]

The moderator is not giving Ike enough time.The Zimbo always interject unneccesary.

[@isoboy1000]

So Rutendo standing point is payback based on history? if so, i think we have done more than enough with all his citizens here living rent free.

[@tanatswamaenda6724]

Zanu must go it's not south Africas responsibility to look after all of Zimbabwe zanu is the problem

[@vuyosiyavuya8461]

Ike said you can't come here to fry chips 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@revolution475]

That is not a scarce skill 😂😂😂

[@thembamsibi7424]

There is no justification whatsoever for being in a country illegally.we are suffering as legal citizens and are competing for already scarce resources.we appreciate the history stories but this has gone out of hand.

[@kphosh]

So true... especially when citizens of that country clearly do not want you. They must go and fight for their country. No one will save them.

[@samuellekala3516]

That history is irrelevant to the topic: South Africans didn't migrate to African countries but it was cadres who were deployed for military training...not mass migration

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Not economic participation or ownership of land, but combat training!...thank you!

[@pfanomukosi6040]

Thank you

[@seanmusona9408]

for you to have this half freedom of yours a lot of african countries which you now treat like scum sacrifised themselves for the cause of a free Africa but it seems like that was all in vain as south africans are cowards . you would rather lick the feet of your colonizer rthan help and stand with the guys who helped you when you were oppressed. Nothing lasts forever my man and we as the next generation in zimbabwe wont forget , you seem to forget you are still colonized rock bottom is coming and no one in africa is going to help you , you have shown your true colours

[@moyenimokuane6856]

Sample as that...

[@fin2-em2mf]

if south africa was under sanctions you would migrate into other countries....by the way there are MANY south africans living abroad, in canada, amerika, europe, and we have many of YOUR RACIST BOERS, in our countries.....so i dont know what you are talking about...

[@Pamadams-ie1lj]

Abahambe they must go, go home work on your own economy too much to say about our country hope they know their own country the same💚💚💚

[@geerux]

I worked as a casual in Fast food industry in Cape Town with many other young South Africans years today you won't find much South Africans, doing these jobs last night my way home I found a young gentlemen about 20 years old scrounging in garbage for food, I drove past turned around gave him some canned food I had in my car he was so grateful for the little I shared extremely well spoken, I have nothing against Foreigners but we have to ask who is gonna look out for our people? Over heard a Pakistani looking from someone to work 8 to 5 Monday to Sunday for R400 Rands a week? If we don't take those jobs we lazy?

[@veemotaung1060]

That is crazy. Working for R400 for 7 day, 9 hours a day? That amount is less than 25% of minimum wage (R1 830.25)

[@geerux]

@@veemotaung1060 sad thing is he found someone desperate enough to work for that

[@akhonadyi3602]

Other countries cant tell South Africans how to run South Africa

[@stephentebogonkwana691]

Ike Khumalo powerfull❤❤❤❤

[@LaurenceNtema-nw2nw]

There is a difference between housing the ANC and the populace,instead South Africa is housing your citizens,of which they disrespect the people who house them

[@Beatyoutoit34]

As usual, Rutendo was busy with intellectual mustarbation while Adv Ike was dishing out a lesson on respect and Ubuntu

[@Thokozani-]

on behalf of South Africans we're rooting for Ike Khumalo

[@tereraijaravaza8091]

Ike needs to go tp law school in zimbabwe where we learnt history that apartheid has hid to millions of SAs. Sad

[@kudzimarufu6332]

Ike is dull. He sounds unread

[@Thokozani-]

Sit down gentlemen the episode wasn't about history lessons. It was about the issue of foreigners in our country. Your Rutendo guy was tweaking history for benefit anyway

[@sweetgurl8028]

​@@tereraijaravaza8091problem u here talking about law while ur educate law in ur country can't even protect your ass

[@Coco-kw3iv]

@@tereraijaravaza8091 we are not talking history we are talking current situation here...

[@mel-b7193]

Angola Played such a huge role in the liberation struggle of Namibia..and thats why until today an Angolan is not seen as a foreigner in Namibia..personally as a child of someone who was raised in refugee camps..My father taught me to show gratitude and love to the people of Angola,Tanzania ,Zambia and Cuba..they went out of their way for Namibia 🇳🇦🇳🇦….and we shall pass on that gratitude to many of our generations to come.

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

West Africans flooding our borders? Africa is about to find itself in a huge war. Everywhere globalism as back fired, and you keep pushing anti white nonsense for what Latin Europe not white People do . The time is a ALREADY here as blacks are rising up against each other because of west Africa

[@MduduziLubanyana-fg1ts]

I wish we as south Africa could learn that

[@bonginhlanhlangema7125]

Passing gratitude and demanding resources are two very different things.

[@mzamodudula7713]

Bra Ike is a patriot!!

[@stuarttinashe3034]

Corruption is the Zim worst enemy not Sanctions.

[@fin2-em2mf]

keep lying to yourself....just last year it was on the news that europe extended sanctions on zim....its there google it..

[@bongumusabuthelezi7952]

I'm disappointed in Penuel for letting Rutendo deviate so much from the issue at hand, you let him brag about history we know trying to make Zim the hero of our liberation.

[@luckympeko4665]

Penuel worships the ground Rutendo walks, he ones sat there and listened to Rutendo tell lie about relationship between Julias and Mam Winnie.

[@daughterofelohim173]

So true

[@winniemimimathabilelloyd3697]

Ike...i like it when you mentioned that Zimbabweans they label them selves as refugees but come December and April Easter holidays they go back home.....what type of refugee have free movement as they wish ?? Kumnandi emzantsi....

[@MapEve4]

True 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bleizeem6439]

👌🏽Wow, bra Ike was so collected, normally he lets his passion get the better of him....👌🏽👌🏽I liked his interview.

[@maboysmajozi8576]

Theory vs Practical. Past vs Present. Words vs actions.

[@michaelmzwandile4275]

Fiction Vs Reality

[@zakababamango676]

I hate this guy from Zimbabwe is talking nosess

[@zanothelightstar]

Bhut Ike is a legend,no fear.

[@ToxxicMafia]

Yeah, i did not expect him to have the patience to entertain the well spoken time wasting Rutendo. Unfortunately the history doesn't help the current situation

[@zanothelightstar]

I love RSA , it's all I know.🇿🇦🤣💪

[@daisystrachan7584]

💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@jeminajoycoetzee3404]

The fact that Ntate Ike had to deal with this entitlement, 0 accountability. Penuel do better as a mediator next time

[@zamangubane8808]

He knows more about South Africa than solutions for Zimbabwe 😒

[@preveledgegondo8727]

He is just defending us rutendo but he knows he's not going change anything in zim except guns to guns blood to blood ....debating won't change the fact that we are struggling because of our ignorance n fear at the same time.....

[@thulaningidi-el8tv]

True he should first deal with issues between Ndebele and Shonas and leave South African Problems to South Africans

[@tinashemutemi9405]

But this topic was about immigration not solutions for Zimbabwe

[@Zimnet-z]

Before we argue,,,do you know anything?

[@sidbigman8567]

Ike is an advocate, his argument capabilities are clear and well structured. Benson is a good historian, talking about the past... The current situation seemed out of his reach.

[@mjimlee]

Advocate IKE is a clearly a better historian . More factual

[@adigunlamar]

Both are intelligent in their own way , you don’t need to fight over anything.. it not a competition.

[@claudiamela4040]

I cry for my country South Africa. Its destroyed 😢

[@glomab2758]

No we will not allow it to be destroyed by foreigners, never!

[@thembi9645]

It breaks my heart wish I could scream kakhulu. Guys what do u think of Gayton Mackenzie Of Patriot Alliance?

[@FX-GANG]

It will be fixed don’t worry. We will fix it

[@solanaaaas.baeeeee]

​@@glomab2758it was already destroyed be4 foreigners move

[@siyabongamlaba8979]

​@@thembi9645both of those parties are our last hope

[@funnymoments-tm2wp]

Ike isn’t saying facts here.. I thought he was smart, he is just blaming Zimbabweans and he is from Zimbabwe…

[@zemtech4325]

All I heard from Rtendo is you, you ,you ,victim,solve my problems, you owe us.

[@viriacssa2003]

Narcissism 😅

[@zemtech4325]

@@viriacssa2003 true , narcissists hate getting views from others that's why he was speaking over Ike

[@charmainemoodley2414]

He should take those intelligent views an put them into action in Zimbabwe

[@Kuhlekonke02]

Great show Panuel, first time listening. The entitlement of Zimbabweans was on full display. Rutendo was lousy in the debate, kept interrupting.

[@tawandamapfirakupa2876]

Askies ....Its Rutendos' entitlement ....... he is a bad representative of the common Zimbabwean

[@Kuhlekonke02]

@@tawandamapfirakupa2876 forgive me for generalizing