Double Masking, Kids & COVID, Cancelling Seuss & More (w/Dr. Vinay Prasad)

We go deep on the "science" of double masking, whether an economist can comment on COVID, how a Hopkins surgeon was cancelled by Facebook, medical + government conflicts of interest, the beauty of the Seuss books that were "disappeared" for racism and much more.
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[@nickkoehn8037]

Thank you, Dr. Prasad for your beautiful defense of Dr. Seuss and his work

[@TruthSerum101]

Defense? There was never an attack. The company decided last year to not continue six of thier books ON ITS OWN. They were never cancelled.

[@chelseamcbride1032]

@@TruthSerum101 nope that's wrong, I saw several Instagram activist accounts posting about why read across america and Dr. Seuss shouldn't be taught in schools because of his racist beliefs BEFORE the company responded about not publishing those books.

[@TruthSerum101]

@@chelseamcbride1032 No, you are the one who is wrong. The sequence of events here is important. We're only talking about six of his books, all of which were QUIETLY discontinued last year by the Seuss company.

[@TruthSerum101]

@Jamarcus Washington Those six books were already "banned" last year in a quiet fashion by the Seuss company. - not that I'm defending racist content geared toward children because I am not. Publish some anti-white imagery in children's books and it would be CANCELLED in a flash.

[@dman7857]

@@TruthSerum101 You're joking right? Corporations are actually doing forced training for people to act less white. You can say you are proud to be any race except white. You feel there is a cultural push to protect white culture? That's the blindest comment in this entire thread.

[@OfficiallySusan]

As a retired kindergarten teacher, I used to use To Think That I Saw it on Mulberry Street in my creative writing lessons. I had south and east Asian students in my class every year. All my students just saw people and animals doing silly things. None of them even identified, or identified with, the characters, other than the main character and how he gets creative with a simple thing. Adults are using their personal bias to assume what children see and learn. Now that kids spend most of their time inside on electronics, where they have lost the opportunity to naturally learn critical thinking outside where they were semi-unsupervised, it is the job of adults to teach a child to be a critical thinker. Lack of critical thinking skills is severely lacking starting with millennials because that is the generation who grew up with helicopter parents, indoors, hand-holding and “everyone gets a trophy.” This is the generation, where cancel culture began and who has the most problems with social media content and the people with whom they disagree. Xennials, GenX, Boomers, +, all had unsupervised indoor and outdoor playtime, where these critical thinking skills were developed.

[@sambernstein8513]

I largely agree with you, but would like to push back on what you're saying about your students never being disturbed by it. There's a pretty powerful power dynamic at play between teachers and students. How certain are you that none of your students found things disturbing or internalized a message that they were some sort of "other" who "wasn't normal" and never spoke up about it?

[@sandramae1772]

Exactly kids don't see black and white and kids don't see race until the adults in their lives point it out that's the problem... #savethechildren

[@OfficiallySusan]

@@sambernstein8513 They are 5. Their frontal lobes are extremely underdeveloped. They don’t recognize a stereotype they haven’t been told is one. It is very rare for a 5 yr old to have a thought process equivalent to adults with life experiences. Kindergartners see beauty in everything and don’t recognize hate of other humans unless taught it.

[@TB-pu9kq]

@@OfficiallySusan yes but they should also learn everyone does not have there best interest in mind or be trustful of every individual or entity they encounter.

[@Paola-jf2qf]

I understand your point, but not all of my generation are lost. I had very strict parents, who were very big on exercise and healthy eating. We had to spend time outside every day. We played in our front yard, and rode our bikes around our neighborhood with friends. We went on walks with friends as well. Although we did grow up middle class and lived a comfortable lifestyle. I lived that my parents did not spoil us and bought us everything we wanted, we had to earn it. I noticed that my friends who did have everything they wanted were always bored. I don't remember ever being bored or never having anything to do. We had chores we had to finish before we had time to play.

[@ShimmyMD]

ZdoggMD + VP are the best duo since PB & J.

[@haidenmorgan]

Yeah wow these are great!

[@BB-nz5sk]

OMG - the fact that the immediate response from these two guys was an outburst of laughter after saying "Double Masking" - I LOVE THEM!

[@oneof5messer]

I thought the same thing.

[@timtenn7671]

My wife & I just returned from a wonderful getaway in the Black Hills. How normal life is in South Dakota...no mask mandates, people are smiling, small shop owners talking to you without trying to interpret what they're saying through a mask. We get back to New Mexico and immediately here's the DOT signs "Mask Up" then some guy sitting in his truck on the side of the road wearing a mask and a lady walking her dog, almost dark with nobody around wearing a mask!!! Where have people's common sense gone!!!

[@jaimem8895]

What a lot of people don't understand is that states like South Dakota and Texas, they aren't being careless. They are using common sense and common decency. Businesses are deciding how to run themselves. If you have symptoms, stay home. I LOVE South Dakota btw.

[@toddr3644]

Our mask mandate went away in Montana in January. Since that time, cases have plummeted, and that is with our churches, bars, gyms and restaurants wide open. At first, most still wore a mask, but now almost no one does. We literally have 1 COVID patient in our hospital with a catchment area of 250k. I am not convinced masks do squat. Our kids' schools no longer require them. People are smiling, playing together, again. If masks were that protective, as everyone stopped wearing them, cases would rise, not fall. Yet fall they have for months on end. It is not a formal study, but here we are.

[@timtenn7671]

@@toddr3644 that is most interesting and agree with you about the whole mask situation. I go back to what that goofball Fauci said 1 year ago, they don't stop droplets and give people a false sense of security.

[@aleksandrazimpel8097]

I went to Miami in January and February, same impression of freedom in comparison to Ontario, Canada. Last night Ford extended the stay home lockdown by next 2 weeks giving police the authority to stop your car and interrogate about the “purpose” of your trip and fine you. Also they encourage people to snitch on their fellow citizens if they think they put public health in “danger” doing what???

[@forren6]

Cancelling Seuss "'I do not like erasing art, I do not think it's wise or smart'"

[@pidgon08]

I will not do it on a boat I will not do it in a coat I will not do it on a train I will not do it in the rain

[@ancestorsreigning4186]

where is Dr Bosche zdonky we want you to debate him NOW!!!

[@billytaylor6604]

The OWNERS of Dr. Seuss made the decision to stop releasing some books.

[@heatherjohnson6672]

@@billytaylor6604 not just the owners. Ebay said you can't resell them.

[@wavenotion]

@@pidgon08 getting a copy will be a pain

[@Grgrrr]

Not to be difficult but I’ve zero confidence in public health messaging. They’ve humped this beyond all recognition.

[@jf4814]

I agree. How can we trust these people again? I feel like its on them to prove themselves. I am not going to do the mental gymnastics to try and keep up with their ever changing and contradictory advice.

[@naquadah1]

Yea messaging has been terrible. Emphasis on such negativity and less on positivity or even details . Annoying at paranoia on variants with out explanations on how vaccines will still work, etc. lack of transparency or details is infuriating

[@jennakhivkapratt8751]

@@jf4814 it changes as we know more. That's how everything in Healthcare is. There are some old hallmark studies that stand the test of time, however more research on anything will add to our collective understanding. That's how we nail down best practice in the context of new medications and treatments. For example, If we get a new class of blood thinners then we need to find out not only how well they work in real life but how they compare to the old ones. Then years go by and we need to know if combination therapy is even better. Then a reversal agent is approved which makes the medication much safer. Then you're taking that into context and the teams that create guidelines will consider that in their next review and release a new guidelines. That improves care and saves lives. It's a good thing! Wanting things to stop changing means you don't want us to know more. If you don't want to know more, why are you watching this?

[@petergeorgerey]

These guys are epic, legendary, and phenomenal.... turn off the tv and watch this...

[@mweinheim7911]

Two mask Tony needs to RETIRE !!!

[@NellieFly]

Agreed.

[@JeffHoneyager]

Solution: Leave Twitter or just Ignore It. If someone mentions "I found this on twitter..." Reply with a roll of the eyes and a brief scoff - then say, "Twitter is for twits."

[@Polkadotpup]

The same is true of Facebook.

[@gchenworth]

I don’t consider myself liberal. But I love your interviews with Dr VP. Proves there is common ground where people starting from different places can agree when fundamental principles are fundamental.

[@steveop123]

One of the best discussions I have ever watched on just general shit - Thanks Z and VP

[@ballboys607]

I've gotta say, I know these interviews are supposed to be thought-provoking and educational (which they are), but angry V-Pizzle is also super entertaining to watch.

[@genevaoconnor3224]

He swears beautifully

[@westfield90]

I have often wondered why some countries have essentially given up and don’t seem to be social distancing or adopting masking to the degree as we here seem to be fixated upon. I have family in india and many have now said they want to enjoy life. They have now gone back to massive large events, packed cricket stadiums, movie theaters, Bollywood parties, award shows, political rallies, weddings and overseas vacations etc. In the past few months dozens of Bollywood stars have been diagnosed but they take off two weeks and then they are back. None of these stars have died and thus I think that sets a narrative in the minds of the general public which has been echoed by my family that if you get covid you take two weeks off snd then you are fine. They say that deaths are amongst those who are very old or have some serious health conditions. From day one we have known that this virus largely kills one population type. And yet we tried to protect everyone when perhaps that was not necessary. We ignored the costs of economic devastation, suicide, depression and kids not being educated. I think the reason why so many of these poor nations seemed to have gone back to a level of normalcy is because they accept death whereas we in the wealthy nations do not. Yes their cases are rising but I don’t think they are talking about anymore strict lockdowns. For many poor countries, death is a part of life. For us we try and save everyone from death. That’s why we have a very old population. I feel we in the west have become a very frail scared people. We seem to be afraid of life, witnessed by the rise of cancel culture trying to stamp out anything they deem offensive. We have all become victims. Whereas India, Thailand, China and dozens of other poorer nations have started the path to live with this virus whereas we talk endlessly and obsess about variants and double masking.

[@timtenn7671]

Agreed, very accurate assessment!! Life has risks and way too many in the U.S. think we have to eliminate all risk which isn't going to happen.

[@toddr3644]

I hear you. Just temper that knowing that many areas in the US are not shutdown or walking around in fear. My kids' school has been open since August and has no mask mandate.

[@talende]

Watching to medically trained guys having a heart to heart on current state of affairs. I like it.

[@scoutdixie4412]

I'm an ER nurse, I just cared for a gentlemen who was working while sick. He said just what was said here. Who will feed my children. I asked what do you do for work? "I'm a cook." He doesn't get sick pay. How many days can you go without food while waiting for a stimulus check. We are living in an upside down world.

[@4ramos5]

Can you imagine how many people would take advantage of “covid pay” to get paid time off?

[@scoutdixie4412]

@@4ramos5 I know, your right. As a nurse I thought of taking a coronacation myself. Many did early on. Sore throat, stuffy nose 14 days off paid. The hospital no longer does this. I don't have the answer. Freedom isn't always pretty. America has to make a choice, do we want to be a free person or a kept person. In America we may wave the flag on the 4th of July, but we really are no longer free. Too bad so many people had to die in wars on the pretense of freedom. Without morality, I don't think you can have a free nation.

[@rockmama2474]

I love hearing you and Dr. Prasad talk! I would listen to just about any topic from you both.

[@Elevatorbakery]

Man I don’t always agree with you, but I’m really grateful that you’re out here having these conversations.

[@davidlittle6621]

I would really enjoy(and I don't think I'm the only one who would ) a roundtable discussion between You, Dr, VP, Dr. Offit and Dr. Monica Ghandi. May be some others.

[@ladykilgore2337]

This was an amazing conversation start to finish! Woke up around 4 a.m. feeling a bit yucky. Figured I'd poke around KZbin for a little bit while I let the meds kick in. Saw this at random and clicked it. I was rapt the whole time and didn't want to stop to go back to bed! Not only do I feel better physically but seeing discussions like this still managing to squeak past censorship (so far) made me feel a bit mentally better too. We need conversations like this one and sensible people like you gentlemen in this world. I'm now a new subscriber! ^_^

[@loris6341]

I guess I would fall under the Joe Blow category, as I don't have a medical background, but I appreciate the common sense and evidence that these guys present for their arguments. Thank you!

[@Robert.E.Edmondson]

If you choose to wear two masks, it is important that they be different colours so that it is obvious you are wearing two - all the better to signal your virtue.

[@JeannieLorene]

Rrriight?!!

[@lauraschwindt9511]

Color coordinated bandanas 😂

[@tekknorat]

As ridiculous as the subject itself is, this is icing on the cake.

[@Maya-ig9kx]

Exactly! This is all virtue signalling

[@Sleepy5.0]

😂😂😷 Yeah wear 10 masks, some on the head, 5 on the face, 3 on the ears etc..

[@charlab.7838]

You are right...people have lost their damn minds.

[@beverlyhoward6873]

Double masking from the people who initially told us we didn’t need masks because they wanted to reduce liability for companies and healthcare facilities who didn’t provide enough PPE to protect their employees. I hold CDC and WHO directly responsible for lives list early in this pandemic

[@KS-un3pi]

I'm very sad my employer is choosing to follow the CDC guidelines. Especially since they have a zombie apocalypse handbook on their website! Makes me down right angry!

[@aneetmw]

This is the most rational conversation I have heard in a long time. Thanks for giving me hope for humanity. I thought everyone everywhere had lost their mind.

[@CricketsMa]

Without a doubt, this is the best episode ever! First time, in a long time, I miss belonging to a platform where I could share this. Thank you VP and Dr. Z for your thoughtful, as well as depressing, comments. Love from Utah!❣️

[@123lou4444]

More high level people need to speak up and start protests. This needs to stop and evidence based medicine needs to be the focus.

[@HemlockHolly]

Masking gives us power to feel we are doing something to stay safe and protect our families. Double masking gives more to stay safe until we are vaccinated. We did the test on a cold day breathing through both single cloth mask and double mask. We found in our home test that it is true you can see your breath less through double mask then the single cloth mask. The mask helps feel we have some control of our situation.

[@angiescorner9549]

You have the right to do what makes you comfortable. If double , triple masking masks you feel more comfortable I do not think anyone takes issue with that .

[@devadesiree8812]

This is NOT a 'vaccine' it is EXPERIMENTAL gene therapy. It does not create antibodies, reduce transmission, deaths or allow anyone a return to regular activities. It DOES create 'pathogenic priming' (look it up, INFORMED CONSENT matters). Every animal tested with any SARS vax DIED from a massive inflammatory response when exposed to any wild type virus!

[@thompson1558]

Thanks Zdogg. I'm a general pediatrician. You and Vinay have helped keep me sane.

[@tomkunich9401]

@Denise Skinner - The common cold. Don't you think that this virus causes so much pain and suffering that we should lockdown 8 months per year and cover our faces with a plastic bag?

[@Polkadotpup]

You are both highly animated. It’s amazing how many words Dr. V can squeeze in per minute. I can only imagine y’all at 13 yrs. old.

[@MsMedalf]

Lovvveee conversations between you two!

[@carmivanronk275]

I feel like every time I listen to a podcast with Vinay Prasad My IQ goes up 10 points

[@ShimmyMD]

@o yobo -_-

[@lauraschwindt9511]

I haven’t listened to his podcasts! Can I find it by his name in search?

[@patriciayeste]

@o yobo You could not be righter.

[@HemlockHolly]

I thought the problem with the kids in Miami was not that they could catch COVID and die, but that they could catch COVID and bring it home to venerable family who could catch it and die.

[@billtremendous1469]

I thought it was them fighting and acting like thugs

[@HemlockHolly]

@@billtremendous1469 The conversation was about COVID. Civil unrest and out of control young people is a different conversation but of course an important one.

[@elenasalvatore832]

That is exactly why they closed the beach off. These two are specifically cherry picking information and putting out their own opinions which is fine, but they're not being objective. It makes sense why they closed the beach down - and to quote Dr. ZDogg there is evidence that people get infected in mass gatherings.

[@jamesjoseph9721]

@@elenasalvatore832, nobody is getting infected on a beach. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

[@heathertaylor7164]

Do we have evidence from the mass riots and protests that support this idea?

[@jeffgast7215]

Thanks so much for speaking up and having the courage to call out the insanity.

[@DavidStraight]

Thank again ZdoggMD and Dr V for the insights. Always enjoy listening! Hate those conflicts of interest. Not in the best interest of patients and the public. Thanks for shining a light on this.

[@cap007a1]

"Liberal" + logic = Modern Conservative. Great discussion.

[@blameitonben]

Thanks for the economist love. As a health economist, I appreciate the bit of respect.

[@beverlyhoward6873]

I read House of God as a female nurse who had worked in a teaching hospital. Found it eerily accurate to my perception of some goings on in teaching hospitals. It was sad and funny at the same time. Still one of my favorite books. Full disclosure: I am 62 and was a new nurse working with resident physicians in the early-to mid-1980s.

[@lauraschwindt9511]

I was talking to a newer nurse who I suggested she read ‘House of God’ She came back laughing hysterically about “gomer” She passed it on to another newer nurse! Cult classic and a must read! I still reference the ‘orthopedic’ level of the bed height 😂 I too work at a teaching hospital. Since I’ve been a nurse forever I don’t honestly mind helping the baby docs. In fact we have great conversations. BTW I’ve had to replace two copies of House of God disappear. Literally taken from my box! Lol

[@thomasm5922]

My family is conducting a double blind study on the masking study. So please if you see me don't tell me if I have a mask on or not.

[@realitycheck6]

🤣

[@soccrtrela]

Excellent excellent discussion. You two bring out the best in each other. VP- don’t give up!! Many of us are 100% behind your cause but don’t have the same platform. Keep doing your thing and I will buy your book Malignant!!

[@tanarehbein7768]

So we can't laugh at caricatures of our selves anymore... Our color, sex, nationality, culture, history, ect can bring up some pretty funny truths. Can we just lighten up already?

[@JeannieLorene]

Amen!!

[@tomkunich9401]

This isn't the area to give you references but I can explain the truth as reported by the CDC and not some power huniungry Democrat. Covid-19 is nothing more than another influenza. It is caused by the SARS-Cov-2 virus. The 2018 flu epidemic was caused by the SARS-Cov-1 virus. The present pandemic itself killed only some 4500 people who have a genetic disorder that causes their immune system to attack cells that contain the covid-19 virus rather than the virus itself. Another group were old and with severe circulatory problems. The same group that is always killed by flu. Today as the fascist Democrats and their media cohorts are trying to stoke as much fear as possible, total deaths are 30% below normal. There were more Americans killed by the 2018 SARS epidemic and the numbers they have been quoting are totally bogus. A lot of people have died above normal but it was from the lockdown and closing of businesses. The vast majority of those who died were grossly obese and the only exercise they got was from working. With the worry about keeping house and family together, they turned to alcoholism which put still greater strain on their bodies. Fauci is responsible for far more deaths with the help of the Democrats who used covid-19 as excuse to rig the election. The takeaway from the CDC study on "Non-Pharmacological Methods of Controlling Influenza" is that face masks are only of use for bank robbers.

[@tamrakc7294]

@@tomkunich9401 Chill out

[@bearcat444]

I thought the cdc was full of shit. Thanks for confirming.

[@jeannemoore3631]

Totes true

[@mosespray4510]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this discussion.

[@esvalenti]

Dr Prasad, thank you for the conflict of interest discussion. As a physician I feel like this something we need to be mindful of as so many interest groups may be clamoring for our time and input. I am struggling with a similar issue. The American Academy of Neurology (AAN) is highlighting a Q and A session with Dr sanjay gupta. All I know is that he's a neurosurgeon who is a talking head on CNN. as a physician, I don't feel like he's "my doctor" nor that he speaks with my interest in mind yet doesn't mind picking up checks from any popular speaking engagement. His involvement in partisan politics seems like a great conflict of interest and unsuitable for a national medical meeting.

[@derekseifert7]

If you want to live a life of productivity and truth, NEVER waste time wondering why people do what they do on Twitter. #CancelTheJackPlague

[@beaubritton4362]

I wonder which amendment covers attacks on Dr. Seuss. I have enjoyed his books so much that I got a copy of every book by Dr. Seuss a long time ago. His books helped me fall in love with literature. I know they were written for kids, but as an adult I still enjoy reading books like the Sleep Book, sometimes to my puppy.

[@icychap]

How do we get ZDogg to go full-on mainstream? I don't agree with everything the guests say on this channel, but I'm challenged by enough of the compelling viewpioints, and the measured, (mostly) tactful presentation of ideas, that this is a near-perfect exemplar of what our public discourse should look like.

[@kairitetra]

Please bring Vinay back again. I love him and his perspective.

[@dawnmanning1415]

Love that quote about politicians failing and putting personal responsibility upon the public and vulnerable.

[@millejef20]

I’m a conservative and love your honesty on double masking. It’s virtue signaling and distraction plain and simple. Glad you guys support the most vulnerable. So do I. I won’t share what I do through my church, but conservatives care just like progressives. Let’s join forces and inspire each other. Helping others isnt and shouldnt be a competition. I forgive your stereotyping just like we’re guilty of the same crap. Conservative is rarely alt right, and liberal isn’t always Antifa. This name calling is bottom feeding. If we can’t shake hands, America is finished. Keep up the good work. I won’t watch mainstream media anymore, and it’s because of people like you. You ruined me in a good way (and I don’t even agree with you on 100%).

[@laurathomas6416]

Stayed to the very end, thank you. 🤩

[@dutchpilotguy]

This discussion speaks to my soul! 🥰

[@cecebeaa5755]

Ok, so not trying to be an asshole. Hopefully it doesn't come off that way, butttttt I think I'm understanding things wrong. I've assumed it's better for my kids to be home instead of at school, not because they might get infected and die but because kids catch it and don't show symptoms and it'll keep spreading and someone may take it and spread it to someone at home who is at risk or a mom who has to go to work and spreads it further

[@jennibean71]

I understood it the same way.

[@FamilyHandshake07]

If they are wearing masks and taking precautions I don't think they are getting it at school. My kids have been in school at least part time most of the year.

[@cecebeaa5755]

@@FamilyHandshake07 could it be possible they still might be catching it with just no symptoms? we kept our daughter home, and she has struggled with online courses, and although I am immunocompromised, it would have been nice for her to go to school and actually be able to learn and thrive, instead of struggle through this. However she's also the kid at school with no boundaries, lol letting kids kiss her, sharing lip gloss, etc haha so I guess that's a problem separate from my understanding of how covid spreads. I also find it wild that it's been said this is highly contagious but sitting in classrooms for an hour or more at a time and still not catching it. My little brother goes to school and hasn't caught it even when in the same room and sitting next to someone with covid

[@HeatherBHG]

That was the original idea but as more info came out it's shown younger kids aren't spreading or catching in school.

[@Onedayatatime3160]

In my city, our public school district decided to offer two platform options, in school learning requiring masks or remote based on people’s preferences. We chose to keep my high schooler home because of family members who are at higher risk of serious outcome should she bring it home and spread the virus. Our health department has been documenting local COVID case numbers in schools and although low numbers, kids have gotten it (higher numbers in high schoolers). My daughter’s friend who went to in person learning caught it from an infected friend and did bring it home to her parents. My daughter thankfully has done fine with remote learning only because she is tech savvy and an independent learner. She did have to go to school recently to take her ACTs and told me she is thankful to not have to wear masks daily. Unfortunately not all kids doing remote have faired so well and many will be taking summer school to catch up. I think overall kids do better in school and I’m thankful for the vaccines so next year will be better.

[@OnlyWhatILike]

Whoever controls the information, has the ability to control you.

[@jessicaduffy230]

As usual, great discussions that hit on great points. Fantastic video, thanks for sharing!

[@Killer_Turnip]

I get a surprise bill for getting a covid test at a place not covered by my insurance bc I got a cold following exposure to raw sewage at work...but yes...let's focus on double masking even when you're already vaccinated... 😒

[@Winterseve86]

This entire podcast/video is golden

[@raymondmeyers8983]

Dr Prasad’s epiphany on what SJWs are really like is something we conservatives have known for years.

[@brightspacebabe]

Me: worked 13 years for Pediatric dentist. I’ve been sneezed on, barfed on, licked, coughed on, as kids do. Masks worn: 1 Mask level(thickness): 1 Times I got the flu in 13 years:2

[@tammai7530]

when I was sitting for 2 straight weeks, for 10 hours per day, in a hospital to visit my mom in hospice (using the hospital facilities for hospice services), in California-back in November during their "peak" week, thanksgiving was cancelled and Christmas was on scheduled to be cancelled as well, at a hospital that was at FULL CAPACITY from covid patient A NURSE, who happens to also be a woman of color, said to me - masks are DANGEROUS, what we are doing to children are DANGEROUS. Us healthcare workers do what we need to do with what we know- everyone else is OVERRACTING! so yeah, I DO listen to healthcare professionals in the front line!

[@Snuffkin]

I think we've got to remember how big the world was in Seuss' time, In a "world" of a "thousand white people big town", a Chinese, African, Mexican or "Eskimo" etc was so far away it could just as well have been a Martian. You would never have thought you might see a person so "strange" or that "they" really existed outside the pages of books. I doubt anybody in our very small current world, with media travelling across the globe in minutes can understand how different things used to be.

[@uwaviator]

Nor do they care to take the time to think critically and examine that possibility. You are spot on.

[@John-Maldonado]

I wore a Safeway produce bag over my surgical mask. Works except you might get a little dizzy.

[@danageibel]

Lol

[@julietucker9247]

I haven't always agreed with you on everything but still watch you and this was a really good conversation, thanks!

[@exaogden7732]

I love the logic. Thanks

[@barbaralachance5836]

Dr. V ✌ bringing the smart points as always!

[@Vetionarian]

Watched every second of this podcast, Just so you're aware. learned a lot and I love how middle grounded you both are. We need this.

[@GameMakerX]

i love these 2 more today...

[@tylerandrew231]

ZDogg is the best comedian doctor ever

[@abbybrown6513]

Love these 2!

[@euaggelion03]

Man, VP talks at 1.5 speed...possibly 2. Simply stunning.

[@heidirozow563]

I always enjoy listening to and learning from you two!

[@danielweis5501]

Jesus.... I discovered you out of Googling for a refutation for that anti-covid-vaxx german Dr. Then you go and post the best conversion on current events I've listened to in a looong time 🤯🥰 Please more of this! 👏

[@jenniferg7873]

Fairly new listener. I’m sure Dr. Z has addressed this before but I’m just starting to go through some videos... He talks about line cooks being the most at risk/vulnerable...what are his thoughts on take out/curbside/delivery? Not inside/outside dining but just to go.

[@kennethhodge7953]

So, you guys are okay with me single masking my mannequin?

[@redwwinter]

Thats so funny

[@nightofthelivingfred2229]

as long as thats ALL you do with that thing, we're good...

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

😂🤣

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

Don’t give up, Vinay Prasad!!! You are so right about Conflict of interest. And everything else. You are like oxygen.

[@domenical.2261]

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[@wffj-tv2652]

ZDogg, while I do not share your enthusiasm or trust of the pharmaceutical industry in general, or the experimental (yes, they're all still experimental) COVID-19 vaccines, I am not going to "cancel" you because you have so much to contribute on other topics. I do love these interviews you do with Dr. Prasad. You two play off each other really well. From time to time I'll transcribe certain quotes from videos I want to remember and archive. With this video I would have to transcribe it in its entirety since you two make so many really good, and relevant points. You have a pretty good handle on the problems associated with social media and the mindset that is cultured therein. Certainly, it's the algorithms that are driving away the thinkers and leaving the easily duped followers and thus creating an entire society of people who fall into the trap of seeking acceptance by succumbing to the groupthink and thus become a very large and formidable voting block that ends up pushing public policy through pressure on the legislators. In this respect, the social media feedback loop is now wielding more power over the body politick than even the politicians and will have to somehow be brought into check. Outside of KZbin, for posting my own videos (and Rumble!) I invest no time in the other platforms. You and Doc Prasad do an excellent analysis of the social media censorship here. It's a problem that needs fixin'.

[@EdVed206]

5 minutes in.... oooh shit get it Vinad. So well put. You both are so great with your words! That is why I share these articles or quote you to my muggle family members. I appreciate your channels and when you guys come together for these thoughtful discussions, you look at things from all sides, add in a touch of snarky humor. -Alt middle for lyfe 🤔

[@SANGSful]

Great job guys.

[@douglaspinnell6937]

Wonderful podcast! Thank you!

[@JCResDoc94]

always fun to see you 2 together. the jhu lad is fun too.

[@JTHeidrick]

So, you actually went to MAUI...glad to hear it! I was wondering about that!

[@rashasarandah1695]

I watch this channel religiously but just a note...Only issue with the Miami Beach “kids” is at least 2 drugged and raped 2 women in a hotel room where the women later died. A lot of non-innocent spring break action like that was happening so yeah that warrants the police out there...

[@dreaudrea]

I love these guys. They are Awesome!!!!

[@shaemez]

I do not understand why more people do not share reasonable views like this! Honestly I get the feeling I get suppressed when I try to share your videos

[@MrArdytube]

A couple of comments.... Double masking: yes, in genera” it is absurd. But consider the following case.... someone has the option of a surgical mask... which has a notoriously bad seal but has a good filter.... or a cloth mask with a good seal but a bad filter.... or a cloth mask over a surgical mask.... achieving a better seal with a good filter. Ok, granted this message has not been communicated ... but you had the option to communicate and missed the chance Miami Beach: Yeah, it’s true that those kids will likely not catch a serious case of covid.... but it will not be unexpected if a lot of them do catch a non serious case of covid... and they will take it home with them, and spread it there..... and since Florida has among the highest rate of the 8117 variant.... they will be instrumental in accelerating the spread of this dangerous variant. But beyond that... it is not the case that these kids spend all their time on the beach or on the streets.,.. they buy drinks, food and snacks... and will be both catching and spreading covid all the time they are partying. And, as I said... while they likely will not be hospitalized.,. There is absolutely no guarantee they will not spread covid to others who will become hospitalized Over all, what would you say your objective is for this show.... the entertainment of faux outrage.... or spreading useful information?

[@MrArdytube]

@@billdublewhopper3064 Bill ....the virus will indeed be around “forever”.... but we are just in the stage of vaccination which will largely protect us in the “forever” time frame Polio is still around, mumps is still around, whooping cough is still around too.... but for some reason, we are less concerned I propose the reason we are less concerned is because of vaccines And I propose that the same will be true of covid... after we are well vaccinated I. Am curious... why do you think we will still be advocating mitigation measures like distancing AFTER the population is vaccinated?

[@MrArdytube]

@@billdublewhopper3064 By the way, Bill you seem to have missed one of the most important parts of my post.... the issue is NOT whether or not these spring break kites should live in fear and therefor perpetually isolate themselves. It is a given that virtually none of these kids will die of covid..,, even if they do catch the virus. So the issue is not whether they should or should not live in fear! The issue is whether they are engaging in behaviors that will promote the spread of the virus to others for whom it will be a significant risk. If you knew that virtually zero drunk drivers die in crashes....would that make drunk driving ok? No.... because drunk drivers wind up hurting lots of other non drunk people. We do not take away the licenses drunk drivers because they are being reckless concerning their own safety

[@bartkirby21]

Better stay isolated for life.

[@avivavogelgabriel5482]

Ardy Hagen - THANK YOU! You articulated my exact concerns about this video’s stance on double-masking (or masks in general) and mass gatherings that will spread a troubling variant to towns and cities across the nation (as spring-breakers return home or repopulate college campuses).

[@MrArdytube]

@Denise Skinner Cold virus and aids virus do not have vaccines.... but what is your point?

[@sangle-id7ri]

Always enjoy listening to your discussions!

[@Lisa-ny2mr]

I love listening to you two!

[@misscleo_]

ZDogg please make a video about vaccine passport. People are furious about this.

[@ThaLoinKing]

I love how this guy doesnt make anything political. It’s strictly in a real world context.

[@kennethhodge7953]

Yes. Economics. That is what Dr. Fauci is missing.

[@aleksandrazimpel8097]

Quack Fartci

[@TXProud1]

Great conversation. Conflict of interest and cancel culture topics were well done. "Don't get lost in the sauce." 😆

[@lisawillis3]

Thank you! A million times thank you!! When are things going to return to non-crazy and non shaming? We are intelligent human beings when given the tools and choices! This is CRAZY.

[@ExNihiloArchitecture]

Laura Ingals Wilder was canceled posthumously because of something her mother said while she was growing up.

[@lunaflamed]

OH FFS!! REDICULOUS

[@laurathomas6416]

Bright and brilliant!! Thanks for the unusual amount of common sense.

[@TheKdubb17]

1:47:16-what have we done to earn this gift?! I could listen to you guys all day!!

[@kerrinorthrop5499]

I love the combo of you guys!!

[@GrussimoGarage]

Presentism. Its rampant. Love the honesty. Love the passion. Like VP, I don't care to cuss...for the first few minutes of any discussion. Love the channel Z.

[@vikingkate1495]

You guys are very CONSERVATIVE on the First Amendment.

[@bestrnlynzeep]

I have found MY TRIBE here!! Thank you both. Carry on!

[@Sylencer1982]

To Dr. Prasad, re: the fight against corruption: The Aiel oath, from Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series: "Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit into Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day."

[@brophybunch]

Wonderful commentary

[@jbailey1898]

Anybody else wondering if this group, who has devised the concept of cancel culture, is feeling like they can censor the content of human kind and events in the same way they can censor social media content? WTH??!! You can't report or block human thought, feelings, or life events so they don't offend people's tender sensibilities! Simple erasing of "bad" doesn't equal virtue. Virtue is knowing the bad exists but choosing the good because that's congruent with your soul's desire. Elevating the thinking of the people by sharing knowledge and letting people choose good for themselves is the path to increased public virtue. Also, I have to agree with the great Dr. Seuss, that it is important to always be YOU! But I have to add...unless you can be Vinay P., then always be Vinay P! 😂 The dude is awesome💪 integrity like that is rare and so refreshing!! Love your stuff, Z!

[@mollyrutherfordmdmph4586]

Just when I had nearly lost respect for all of my medical colleagues. Thank you...hope restored.

[@toddr3644]

Another Dr. Rutherford! I would wager we are related distantly judging by your location

[@jonathantrautman]

Thanks for a nuanced discussion! I agree we must process the dialectics by doing the work to listen to a multitude of viewpoints.