The Original Porsche 911 930 Turbo Is Awesome and Fast

[@corona407]

I really miss the times when Doug would try any back seat, no matter how tight it was

[@devin2156]

Me too. He would call us weird for wanting to see it and then do it. Good times.

[@mxerb5912]

He makes too much money now to do it

[@linehandibew6205]

He’s a typical sell out, too good for the back seat

[@throwback19841]

@@linehandibew6205 he could at least bring one of the other two with him and make them do it. the largest one, preferably. what's the point of having employees?

[@2JZDestroyer]

i think his back would eventually give if he kept doing that; i wanna see doug doing content well into my 70's and i'm 28 right now.@@throwback19841

[@zachsawyer8398]

Hey Doug, great video as always. To answer your question, that switch that you weren’t sure what it does is the selector to adjust the driver side or passenger side mirrors. You select which mirror you want to adjust and then use that mushroom to adjust the mirror.

[@williamcarnero9595]

That makes perfect sense, doubt they would have electric one side and manual the other

[@RAXITH_playz]

Ohh take my reply so that your comment can noticeable

[@theoxster]

@@williamcarnero9595 Was actually common practice from the time for the passenger mirror to be manual. Some cars the passenger mirror was an option.

[@andrewsanchez2778]

Ditto the selector switch.

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

Doug the type of guy to break the passenger side mirror trying to adjust it manually.

[@Cevan42]

Doug, you missed a quirk! There is a switch under the instrument gauges that you couldn’t figure out allows you to adjust either the driver or passenger’s mirror.

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

He’s losing it. Doesn’t know his quirk from ABS.

[@Craaaaabs]

Came to the comments section to post this 😂

[@alexroberts1801]

You beat me to it

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

Doug the type of guy to break the passenger side mirror trying to force it manually.

[@nicolasgoncalves1557]

I was wondering about that, doug said only the driver side mirror is power adjustable, but that would be useless, right? I mean, only the easily reachable mirror would be powered, and you'd have to reach for the passenger side to adjust the other. Thanks for clearing the confusion

[@zoltore23]

Honestly, I miss when Doug gave his Doug Score out with his specific reasons for each category. It just helped justify his opinions.

[@swordain]

There is a reason why he doesn't do it that way now. Cause most people didn't watch him giving reasons and directly watched the score.

[@truthserum5310]

Me too. Bring it back Doug!

[@Catchingcars]

most of us do

[@wisanikenny5097]

Yep, I miss that too.....

[@justin________7477]

That's their problem

[@Leafshinobicaptainyamato]

7 for styling??? Respectfully, you buggin Doug. This is one of the most beautiful physical objects conceived by mankind

[@tedschmitt178]

Beautifully AND timeless.

[@Dexter_Morgan_305]

💯on the styling; when function trumped form.

[@djkjthe3rd185]

Nah Porsche buggin... beetle copy 😂

[@lehbeltman]

The whale tail was it. Still love it today.

[@blackframes5658]

the most beatiful thing i have ever seen in my life. Litteraly. Like the most beatiful girl i ever seen is nothing compared to this

[@3.2Carrera]

Some other minor quirks on these 911's is that many of the parts do go back to 1964 and once in a while when ordering I see a "901" part number prefix. The fuse panel in the front trunk and engine compartment are right out of the 60's and use the old torpedo fuses. The glove box light is not visible and most owners don't know it's a rocker switch as well and can be turned off. It's usually out of scope for these videos, but just how the air cooling works is interesting with baffles around the cylinders to direct air to the heads The dry sump oiling is pressure regulated and routed through a thermostat to a large engine mounted oil cooler then once that heated up there's another thermostatically controlled oil cooler up front. Amazing. All of the old air cooled engines are designed to be race ready from the factory.

[@alexroberts1801]

The central switch for the heater controls the amount of air blown over the engine. It heats the car really nicely.

[@travis3810]

Can confirm. Setting it to "1" will make you start sweating on a cold day, so I can't imagine setting it to 5 or above

[@savethechildren287]

Makes me wonder if an air-cooled 911 as this could ever have engine overheating issues as a result.

[@alexroberts1801]

@@savethechildren287 no if anything it would cool the engine as its taking heat off of it, it uses the engine heat instead of a heater element. Plus generally you are only using the heater on a cold day anyways. Run mine on 35 degrees C days in traffic and it's fine. (Obviously with the heater off on those days :-)

[@savethechildren287]

@@alexroberts1801 Ah that makes sense. Beautiful cars, enjoy your fine motoring sir :-)

[@markwood7045]

Not the place for this content buddy @Repent-and-believe-in-Jesus1

[@sylvioempinheiro]

I had the chance to drive a 930 Turbo. It was a 1979 model, black with tan interior, with the 4 speed manual and 260 HP, if I remember correctly. My brother bought it with a friend - each one paid half for it. I’ll never forget the sensation when the turbo kicks in. It was marvelous, even for an old car like that. I wish I could do it again, but my brother sold his share for his friend and he sold the car right before the pandemic. Pitty. I really loved it - specially because I wasn’t responsible for any maintenance costs - not that it broke a lot, it never had any serious problems. But I could just borrowed it and drive it around, you know 😊 For a guy that drives a Honda Fit, that was car heaven on Earth 😂

[@thegolfingmusician6345]

My dad had a brand new white factory 930 slant nose turbo in 89. First thing he did was take it to Andial in Orange County CA and had it modded. Twin turbos, larger intercooler, new exhaust and a tune. He swore that car would lift the front end shifting from 1st to 2nd gear. Was a beast.

[@Mac10Daddy]

That’s a unicorn right there! I remember seeing a few of those in DuPont Registry’s throughout the years

[@thegolfingmusician6345]

I always wondered where that car ended up. My dad was also friends with Bruce Canepa. Talk about a guy with unicorns.

[@rustler08]

This is from the same generation that had 16 second quarter mile cars and they swear they ran 9s.

[@thegolfingmusician6345]

Yeah well my dad was a professional drag racer so if he swears the front end came off the ground then I have a tendancy to believe him.

[@unclebob4964]

Anytime you begin a retort with “Yeah well….” you just lost !

[@goberges]

The "unknown" switch is to switch sides to control the mirror with the "mushroom" button.

[@dbw477]

Doug giving wrong info that the passenger side mirror was manual. Tisk tisk.

[@jonathanandreoni60]

Doug should pin this comment

[@ScrubRadius]

Came here to say that. As much time as I’m sure Doug has spent in Porsches, you’d think he’d know this stuff. A covered binnacle in the door? My modern 997 has exactly the same thing.

[@JoeEngineer]

Came here for this. Leaving satisfied.

[@althejazzman]

I thought the same. I have a 924 Turbo with the same mirrors and switches (albeit in different locations) and manual mirrors are really rare so it's unlikely the car had one of each.

[@kaifengwu6565]

Doug - the unlabeled button switches which side of the electric mirror adjustment you are controlling with the joystick on the door. Yes, both mirrors are electrically adjustable, and yes, that’s the least intuitive mirror adjustment I have ever seen on any car. Also even though you can lift the engine lid without lifting the rear wiper first it’s not recommended since it may damage the gears in the wiper motor. I have been lucky to have owned this car for over a year and there are still quirks I can’t figure out.

[@jimmyglock6160]

I believe the passenger side mirror is also adjustable using the same side mirror stock. There is a toggle switch just above the key when switched to the right allows the same stick to adjust the right side mirror

[@walthefl]

That must be the button where he didn’t know what it does

[@amg2rs236]

Correct jimmy!!

[@C.I...]

stalk.

[@ralleyquattro]

Yep, looking into owners manual would show him what it does.

[@timgraysontv]

7:24 The power mirror switch for the passenger side is right above the ignition switch. It's not manual...

[@ericrosen6626]

My favorite all-time car. I had an opportunity to get an '80 (in the early aughts) for $8000, but I felt like I couldn't justify owning a car like that living in the Northeast without a garage. When I finally had a garage to put something like that in, they are just completely unaffordable :(

[@K1ng1995]

Ah we live and learn

[@SparklingWalrus]

Lmao this one on cars and bids only has a 20,000 dollar bid. I saw a 1988 one that had 40,000 miles sell for 200k. The actual cars worth is only 20k, whoever is spending 200k on a crappy air cooled Porsche is a moron.

[@HoolaaBaaloo]

You better have bought that car, then justify to buy a home with a garage to put the car into lol

[@kiefershanks4172]

You made the right choice. It wouldn't be right to buy something like this only to have it sit outside in the elements. That shows some real respect and maturity to pass on a dream car because you know you can't properly care for it.

[@981porsche3]

Rent a storage unit. That’s what I did until I had a place with a garage.

[@Tsotha]

love the design of these 1980's era Porsches, they are among those few cars that always look timelessly cool

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

While everyone else is explaining to Doug about the passenger side mirror switch, I'm still thinking about that heat/defrost control between the seats... I'm guessing it had something to do with the fact the 911 was air-cooled and lacking a traditional heater core, heat was taken directly from the engine exhaust like on old VWs so maybe that switch somehow regulates how much heat the regular dashboard climate controls have at their disposal? Or maybe there's some other purpose behind the seemingly redundant switch? Anyone in the know, feel free to comment below!

[@cmkrcs1]

I was wondering if it's the rear defroster control

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

​@@cmkrcs1 yeah, I thought about that too, by ruled it out since it has electric elements in the window for defrosting, and I doubt it has rear climate controls for the tiny back seats, LoL! But maybe it has both electric and air vented rear defrost? With German engineering, who knows? 🤷

[@mufflertech]

It turns the heat on, the dash control directs the air

[@mtbbiker6401]

My VW bugs had something similar between the seats to allow hot air from the engine into the passenger compartment. Hopefully you didn't have an exhaust leak at the headers! 😀

[@diplomacy2000]

It's the auto heat. There's a sensor in the dash.

[@somebody9785]

Doug is the kind of guy who stores a glove collection his glovebox.

[@sayeedalsifat1308]

isn't that what is it is supposed to be used for?

[@rickjames6867]

Doug has a glove box collection for his glove collection. Doug is wealthy. Doug has a matching pair of driving gloves for different cars. How ironic. Doug is the type of guy to make millions on KZbin and does whatever he wants with his life. 💙✌️

[@paulie-Gualtieri.]

No Doug keeps hand sanitiser and blue face masks in his glovebox

[@lipstick_attack]

“The glove compartment isn’t accurately named and everybody knows it” - Ben Gibbard

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@paulie-Gualtieri.well using hand sanitizers can be also vital on keeping anything that we touched clean.

[@Calilasseia]

UK specification 930s developed 330 bhp. They were also a bit, er, lively suspension wise. Thanks to their popularity with yuppies, and several of said yuppies coming to grief in unpleasant ways when cornering in these cars, the "Widowmaker" nickname was earned quickly here. 330 bhp, combined with the weight being BEHIND the rear axle, along with turbo lag that went from "meh" to "1 megaton" in an instant, meant that it was a handful even for skilled professionals. I've described this as a car you bought to teach yourself *restraint* for that reason. Spend a decade learning how to handle one of these *properly* and you'll learn valuable lessons that will serve you well in more forgiving cars. But *always* be aware that it doesn't suffer fools gladly, and will bite *HARD* if provoked carelessly. You only have to experience that tail snap out once to end up with white hair 30 years before your time. Find out about this in a safe place such as a hired racetrack, NOT on a back country lane with convenient trees to wrap yourself around. Get it right, and this car makes you feel like a hero. Get it wrong, it's pine box time. The dividing line between the two is fine. Viewers will notice Doug didn't fool around with it, and that's because he's suitably fond of being alive. Pay due attention to this.

[@Gordanovich02]

I was just thinking that 280hp sounded a bit low. I guess that's American emissions regs strangling the power.

[@wingtang1180]

Dealers couldn't sell these 930's. We test drove one on their request and handed it back to the salesguy after a couple minutes driving down the street. It sucked.

[@jamesmurmurzancone4532]

Doug the kind of guy who breaks into a car to count the amount of USB ports and cupholders.

[@ikahn17]

THIS is not what it looks like officer

[@jwalster9412]

Doug is the type of guy to review a car he just totaled on a telephone post.

[@rickjames6867]

No. He has cars offered to him. Does this on video then posts on his channel so people like you like subscribe, and post ironic "DOUG" comments.

[@adorablecenturion8436]

Yeah I'd do it too tbh

[@cmkrcs1]

Then he'll be pretty disappointed with all these 1980s German cars 😂

[@TheMystro1971]

I have owned and club raced 930’s back in the day. I know everything about the 911’s and still own many. Rocker switch under gauge cluster is for side mirror adjustment. Climate control between the seats is the temperature of the heat. The 911 had TJe worst and most complex climate adjustments because it was air cooled. The air conditioning barely was adequate when it did work. The heat on the other hand would roast your feet because it would pump in hot air from the engine. A sunroof and windows were mandatory for real ventilation. The rotary door lock was a primitive antitheft concept. No coat hangers pulling up lock or unlatching the door. Power output wasn’t as dramatic between the 3.2l Carrera engine of the mid/late 80’s compared to the Turbo 3.3L. 230hp for a 1988 Carrera and 280hp for a Turbo BUT the Carrera was lighter weight and more torque down low. The rear Carrera spoiler was the “ whale tail” and the Turbo’s more boxy spoiler was called the “tea tray”. The back seats of a 911 are there for giving ladies a ride home and they fit just fine for the women you would probably wanting to pick up. This has always been the 911 single man owners hidden advantage.🤫. 911’s in general are very reliable cars for their class of vehicle but the 80’s 911 are unbelievably reliable and cheap to own.

[@EmilicoYamigos]

Im in love with Porsche, I just cant stress enough how mezmerized I am with their designs, it is a brand that managed to create a design so perfect that whenever you ser those siluettes and curvy body you already know it's a porsche, the years pass and even though they manage to polish and update the design, its escence is still in, what a perfect car the Porsche 911 are, totally in love, thanks for bringing this video to us Doug.

[@NamathCB]

Only Porche I've ever driven was THIS. Same color and everything. There was a cool S turn getting on the bridge to Daytona Beach from the main land and down shifting through that is a forever sensation I'll never forget.

[@chartreux1532]

The "Widowmaker" Nickname in german "Witwenmacher" is well deserved To quote Legendary German Race Driver Walter Röhrl: "Its only a Widowmaker if 1. you have no Experience with fast Cars and 2. you have a Wife." Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps

[@torygrima]

I've personally been waiting YEARS for this review from you! SO happy you held out for the good one. This is such a cool car

[@jasonmohning1708]

From what I've seen, the whale-tale spoiler looked the way it did to accommodate the turbo's intercooler and not for excessive 80s style, especially since the 1975 turbos had the same spoiler.

[@legitmilkman98]

Correct, the original pre-intercooler spoiler was the whale tail version. In the late 70s when they added the intercooler on top of the engine they had to change the spoiler to the "Tea Tray" version that this one has.

[@Bucketroo]

When people say "Porsche", this is what pops into my head. Absolute classic. Now wonder LEGO chose that model in that color to immortalize as both a Speed Champion and a larger Icons set!

[@dksculpture]

Kudos to Porsche for offering that retro look updated radio!

[@user-pn3im5sm7k]

tasteful indeed, nothing irks me more than people jamming cheap chinese head units into classic cars at their local mexican owned audio shacks. Ruins the experience of a classic car.

[@snazzy]

@@user-pn3im5sm7kNot racist enough-try harder.

[@Gordanovich02]

It's a great idea.

[@Poatan.chama.]

They also sell modern touch screens for 996 and 997 models.

[@MH-ev3wr]

Meh - it's over $1000. I'd rather keep my original radio and just not listen to it because why? You have a symphony behind you already.

[@i976scirocco3]

This is the generation of Porsche that I like. I still remember reading my Dad's VW & Porsche magazines through the 80s into the 90s and loving these cars.

[@XantoS771]

9:45 That switch most likely let's you control the passenger side mirror. You use the same "mushroom" controller located on the driver's door.

[@rmp5s]

Could close the fuel door from the driver's seat in my Z32 300ZX Turbos, too. It was right behind the driver's door...if you need to, just reach out and slap it shut. 👍

[@racistrobinhood]

That switch allows you to change between driver and passenger mirrors with your "mushroom button" adjuster thingy.

[@SinSGone]

Growing up in the eighties my Dad had a 1964 Plymouth Sport Fury with a 440 and was good friends with one of the managers of the local Porsche dealer. They would bring over every new Porsche that came out and try to race my Dad. The old Plymouth beat every Porsche that came out back then, this Turbo doing the best. Great memories and thanks for bringing them back up!

[@diplomacy2000]

300hp, not 280. Tea tray, not whale tale. You're supposed to lift the wiper before opening the lid. The passenger side mirror is actually electrically adjustable; there's a switch that controls which mirror is adjusted via the "mushroom." It's above and to the right of the key at 7:49--the one you couldn't figure out. The center rotary dial turns on the auto heat, not the "defroster;" the last setting is the defroster. The red slider in the dash controls only the direction of the heat, doesn't turn it on or off. There's also a climate vent along the back of the dash. Car will accelerate to 60 in under 4 seconds by losing the cat, upgrading the Turbo, less restrictive exhaust, 1 bar spring, and bigger intercooler. That puts in on par with a modern sport classic. It's much faster than you're making it seem.

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

It was 282 hp/210 kW in the U.S. for the intercooled 3.3 in 1989, and 325 hp/342 kW in Europe. Also U.S. horsepower figures differ a bit from European figures. So 325 hp (U.S.) equals 330 PS (European). Tea tray is the first rear spoiler, whale tail the second with the intercooler. This 930 has the tea tray, but it's often called whale tail anyways.

[@diplomacy2000]

@@marcusjosefsson4998 says Wikipedia? What's your source? I say 300 for the 3.3 in 1989.

[@Gberg8888]

Unlabled switch indicates which mirror is getting adjusted by the mushroom... Both mirrors are power, that switch allows you to pick which ur adjusting.

[@JesusWillSaveYou]

Would love to see Doug do a review for a Ruf "Yellowbird". I know he knows where to find an owner of one (there is a video of him hosting a drag race between it and the F40). Hopefully we get to see it sooner rather than later.

[@thepatchface7236]

Harry Metcalf, the champion of life, has a 930, Testarossa and Countach in his many car garage, all red. The perfect trio.

[@afoolandhismoneychannel]

The later "tacked on" interior-mounted third brake light was certainly better than Porsche's "E.T. head" on the engine cover first attempt. 😉

[@stefanmarraccini8646]

I despised that thing.

[@stefanmarraccini8646]

It was like a dangling tumor or something to me.

[@johnathanmoyer2375]

I absolutely love Porsche's stereo resto-mods. They look so clean and it's so lovely to be able to have OEM Nav or even Carplay in a classic 911.

[@kurtcocktoasten4592]

My high school friend visited Germany in the early 1980s and purchased a Red 1975 930 (first year) with serial # 00017. That was a fun car. The very early 930s were 3.0 liter engine. Later grew to 3.3, like the car Doug was showing here.

[@1wide9111]

I have #13

[@kurtcocktoasten4592]

Outstanding! While I don't currently own any 911, I do own the 1st 1968 GTO convertible ever made - body #001. Cars are neat@@1wide9111

[@louyork8379]

Being born in 1980, this is peak dream car stuff for me. I had an RC car of this as a child as well as a poster in my wall. What a sweet ride.

[@bicyclist2]

I love this generation 930/911 turbo. Doug D forgot to mention that these 911's suffered from what some people called "Lift throttle over steer". Too many people were braking mid-corner. You kind of have to drive these like a front wheel drive car. Braking at the end of the straights, and then keep your foot planted in the corners. I've been very blessed to ride in a few 911's of this era. There's nothing like them. I have a uncle in Santa Barbra California who has a 68' 911 targa in blue with a 73' engine. Thankfully I've had the privilege to ride in it a few times back in the late 80's. I love the flat 6 engine sound. Thank you.

[@3.2Carrera]

That driving technique is still needed, but by the time '89 rolled around the car has all the pieces in place to keep the car on the road. Wider wheels, larger torsion bars, larger anti roll bars, etc. The last weak issue was the tire compounds of yesteryear with modern ones really taming the rest of the beat. A lot of 911 owners will only have the long hoods like your Uncle just because with the narrow tires and light weight they are more frisky than the later ones that are heavier and more buttoned down.

[@papa_pt]

thought it was the opposite of a fwd car. Plus your description of braking at the end of straights and powering through corners is nearly all cars 😂 But you are correct that lifting off or braking mid corner to make adjustments is WAY sketcher in an old Porsche than nearly all front engined cars

[@РайанКупер-э4о]

Man, I remember this car from the Porsche Unleashed - it made me anxious once I had it. So much more power. Even Carrera was freaking fast, but this thing - this thing is something else. Love it. Now you should review the first 911 Carrera, you absolutely should.

[@mrharry8466]

The original 'widow maker". It wasn't some people who crashed it, it was loads. So much so that it nearly killed Porsche.

[@danishcarnut]

The rearwing on the 3.3 Turbo like the one in the video is NOT a Whaletail, but a Teatray. The whaletail was used on the early 3.0 Turbo without intercooler. That spoiler is way sleeker....

[@Gurn_Blanston]

My father was the sales manager of a Porsche dealership when the first 930 Turbos arrived in the U.S.. I was only 13, but he taught me how to drive a manual transmission in a brand-new 930 that belonged to the dealership.

[@timgraysontv]

This is the ultimate sports car of all time! There is nothing better than a vintage Porsche 911...

[@thejoshman3843]

agreed.

[@tomi8198]

facts

[@Jallu555]

Rsr? Mclaren f1?

[@jackkenny4194]

@@Jallu555 oh you mean the multi million dollar f1?

[@Jallu555]

@@jackkenny4194 He said "There is nothing better" Money or price was never mentioned there

[@PittiesAndMore]

My dad had a new 930 Turbo. I remember sitting in the back seats when I was a kid. 🙂 I still love that Porsche and it is my favorite car of all time.

[@Bl4nkshell]

My dream car since I saw it on the Cyberpunk 2077 game, that car made me obsessed with Porsche.

[@michaelgarand7298]

love the 80's-90's turbo cars! I think people that have not driven them don't understand, they have moments-of-pull that are harder than they same 0-60 thats an N/A has. The turbo has to make up for the lag, low end off the line, so when the boost hits full the turbo cars pull harder then the n/a cars. ie. 1989 shelby daytona vs 5.0 stang, same 0-60 but the dodge pulls harder

[@jess_o]

My dad had a friend who had one of these, let me drive them both around town one day when I was 18. Besides that very awkward clutch, which I thankfully never stalled, I adored it

[@matthewelliott2213]

I'm not a Porsche person.... But the 930 was amazing--the GOAT of road cars.

[@Greippi10]

Same. It has one of the most iconic shapes in the history of cars too! Would definitely buy one over a modern Porsche if I was rich.

[@AhBeeDoi]

Until you got behind the wheel and drove it.

[@Andriig75]

@@AhBeeDoi and? Go on....

[@bwofficial1776]

@@AhBeeDoi At which point it proved how good it was. Fast and handled well once you got a feel for the chassis and engine.

[@DJ_FLUX]

Doug, the left/right switch underneath the guages that you can't figure out what it does, is the side mirror selector switch. So when you want to adjust the side mirrors, you push it left for driver side and right for passenger side, then you adjust with the 360° oscillating switch ('mushroom', as you called it). You said you can't do the passenger side mirror, that you have to do it manually. This is how you select between both mirrors tobadjust.

[@Cevan42]

Widow maker because people would get on it in a corner, turbo kicks in, car starts going too fast and the driver would quickly lift off the gas. This dramatically unweights the rear tires and because you are turning, the back end starts to come around.

[@juhn43]

The 930 even made a truck in the Background evaporate @4:43 😊

[@Lessenjr]

I actually really like this steering wheel design. My 928 has this version and im glad i ended uo with this style. Its a subjective thing but i like it as Its quirky and fun

[@777jones]

And it is the 959 wheel style. Agreed it is my favorite

[@georgehintenbergerpa4363]

Rear spoiler on the Turbo is called a Tea tray. Gives more room for the intercooler. Non turbo Carrera had the whale tail. Slight difference in shape, flattens out on the sides.

[@velmamalleis9629]

Doug, I think you missed two important features that no other car has. The air cooled sound is so unique. Also the front trunk is an impromptu bed.

[@andystevens7557]

My family friend (who owns a few dealerships near Doug) has a road legal 935, that started life as a 930. Absolutely insane car!

[@quirksandfeatures3215]

Doug the kind of guy who puts speed holes in the hood of his neighbors car.

[@andrewjmesser]

No

[@vcupiano]

A friend of mine freshman year in college had a late model 944 Turbo S. At the time it was the fastest car I’d ever been in. I remember it being such a visceral experience, the smells it made, the turbo lag etc. It was a great car and I would take an 80s 930 over most of the modern cars for sale today.

[@ruwoodbury]

I've enjoyed your reviews for a number of years and appreciate your willingness to quantify the attributes of each model you drive. I know these are subjective measurements, but I think you missed the boat on a couple of categories for this car. First, "Cool Factor". 6? Come on, this and the Testarossa were on more teenage gearheads bedroom walls than any other cars of the era, and now you're driving a beautiful example of it on the road 34 years later. It's at least an 8. Second, you go on about the quality of the car compared to others of the time and give it another, decent, 6. It's gotta' be a 7 at minimum. Otherwise, I'm good with the rest of your scores. Oh, and to the guy who commented on "994" being the internal designation of the 964 turbo--it's actually 965 (and there's some controversy on that).

[@SEC420]

He's being sarcastic. He's done this type of banter for ages.There are videos where he for example praises the W126 or W140 for being like a contemporary rolls royce. Just to give it a 6/10 for comfort right after that quote 😂😂. I'm shocked that you haven't noticed yet, after all these years.

[@cadmando18]

Such a cool car. For sure one of the cars I used to look for in magazine articles. I remember reading about all the pros and cons and arguing with friends about what cars would win or lose in a race. Fun memories.

[@vixo2d343]

0/10 Doug didn't climb into the back seat

[@Steve_MFr]

The passenger mirror WAS electric as well. And for me, this is a real quirk vs stuff like the whale tail or the door latch. You switched between the L and R mirrors with a rocker switch found under the speedometer, but both were adjusted with "the mushroom". The rocker switch is the one Doug plays with at 9:45 . 10:00 onwards, the climate controls are also quirky. This is because the 930 is still an evolution of the original 911 from 1963. Originally, the only controls were the fresh air and heat in the dash next to the radio. The switch between the seats was heat. It controlled the hot air flaps from the exhaust heat exchangers in the rear and two supplemental blower motors in the kick panels R & L to maintain a relatively good level of heat and constant temperature - something that early 991s were not good at. The "climate controls" in the center console are only for the AC which was more or less separate from the rest of the fresh air / heat system. This is also due to the 911's evolution from 1963 to 1989. I don't think a single engineer who worked on the original 911 in the early 1960s ever envisioned a 911 having AC. BTW, Germans did not smoke more than Americans in the 1980s. The ashtray would have been just as necessary in North America as in Germany.

[@seanmccauley1446]

I've been waiting for this review. I grew up in a 85 Turbo going to school every day with my dad. Love it.

[@ChetEpperson]

Nice review of the 930. You failed to mention the second headlight washer present on the 930. The button you showed with the headlight washer has a switch below it in the same shelf as the sunroof switch. If the headlights are on and the switch is pressed it will spray a "Special Silicone Solution" Porsche part# 00004400093. It is very high pressure and will remove bugs off the lights. The car also needs about 11 quarts of oil with each oil change. Security theft lock on the side of the door by the door latch (Not Door handle) that uses a special key. Just before closing the door you insert the key into the switch and close the door the last few inches. There are also seat heaters on both driver and passenger seats. The whale tail helps stabilize the car when decelerating from high speeds...with the aerodynamic sloping front end air pressure pushes down to plant the front tires. This also causes the backend to get light when decelerating resulting in a need for the whale tail. I have an 1988 930.

[@cmkrcs1]

Doug's review of the 930 is the thing I never realized I was waiting my whole life for.

[@3.2Carrera]

Awesome cars. There's a Carrera 3.2 M491 option that has the wide body and non turbo engine that is a bit less. The power gap can be closed a bit on an engine rebuild.

[@Flowxing]

The tale of the ignition being on the left because of LeMans is actually wrong. The ignition key being on the left comes from the post war copper shortage, since the wiring harness is on the left and all the electronics attached to the firewall. This saved precious copper back then when they made the Porsche 356. Source: Dr. Porsche (Porsche Museum confirms this).

[@quincee3376]

Some people call these impact bumpers? I'm pretty sure that's what they are called.

[@alebigna]

Great car. Gorgeous! You don't drive them because they have performance or precision. You drive them because they give you emotions. It's amazing how many parts are the same on my 944: seats, mirrors, steering wheel, some of the buttons, and many others not visible. Grat gorgeous car.

[@SP84Fanatic]

9:59, in other 911 models, there would be a series of levers that would open/close heating vents to let hot air into the cabin. That knob made the process more automatic/convenient. MotorWeek detailed this in their 1988 911 review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oorUp4t7l9Oders

[@nateisright]

Being around a 930 made me realize how great the 964 3.6 Turbo is. Bad manners mostly gone plus more power and still a classic body shell and interior. The 930 is such a legend and has enough of an edge that you have to respect 250hp.

[@Vm94-p7u]

My uncle has one in perfect condition. We live in Serbia, so it's really rare here in this part of Europe, which is south-east ( Balkan peninsula ). I swear Porsche will never build a car with such a quality, to lasts decades and decades, like they did with this Porsche.

[@davidp2888]

One of my favorite cars.

[@naakkavinttikoira8811]

With all manual HVAC controls, especially back in the day manufacturers used to label where each control needs to go for maximum windshield defrost capabilities. Nowadays it's just one button, it used to be that you had to switch all the manual controls to the right position yourself one by one.

[@jaeng]

the widowmaker

[@CRFLAus]

I love this Porsche. I used to have a 1974 Mazda RX4 with a 13B turbo and had a young guy presumably driving his dad's 911 turbo try to drag race me from the lights. That's when he learnt a 911 turbo wasn't as fast as he thought it was!

[@linsanity6059]

I miss when Doug would actually try to get into the backseats

[@nathanielcargile7135]

This is my all time favorite sports car. The first car I fell in love with when I was a kid in the 80’s.

[@tmick-22]

@dougdemuro 8:08 The Le Mans origin story of the ignition key being on the left side is actually a myth. The reason for placement is a relic of the postwar period during which Porsche sought to cut costs - less wire, less money spent. Dan Neil of the WSJ has a solid article on this. Obviously Porsche has zero interest in changing peoples minds about the Le Mans association as it no doubt sells would-be customers on their “racing history” 😅

[@ase2060]

Makes since, as you could leave trans in gear.

[@CHZ8959]

I love the magical, disappearing truck at 4:45 😂

[@Shauntchoe]

Mirror control switch to adjust the passenger side could be located under the dash next to the sun roof switch. At least that is where it is on my 964.

[@LuigiRandazzo21]

Matching color rims and blue interior is so 80s and boss

[@basketballholic89]

The Widowmaker

[@ariescustom]

That unmarked switch is to allow you to control the passenger mirror. I've had a couple of these and it took me a while to figure that out. 🤣

[@KirillDevilovich]

Dear Doug! I’ve been watching you for quite some time and I want to thank you for your excellent content. I'm from Russia and we have quite a few car reviewers, but your style and attention to detail is unique. I guess that 99% of your viewers are from the USA and your market is very different from ours, but I would like to see your opinion on such incredible cars as li auto l9, zeekr 007 (just presented) and zeekr 001, avatr 12, byd yangwang u8. I know that you reviewed very rare examples and it will not be easy to find these Chinese cars from you, but I think it will be interesting to everyone 😉

[@bwofficial1776]

Those Chinese cars aren't sold in the US. That one video he did on the BYD was a press car that was temporarily imported. He refuses to travel out of the US unless it's a god-tier car. He's unlikely to go to China unless they made something absolutely incredible. Some run of the mill Chinese EVs won't do it.

[@newdaysamepains]

I have been waiting for this one for literal years. The 930 and the 964 are by far my favorite cars of all time. Maybe one day I will get to die in one of them just as our Ancestors did. Widow maker.

[@MagpiesinBrisbane]

I wonder if he talks like that in real life?

[@M1Tommy]

That, the stuff of dreams! A friend drove one to our refinery job for a few years. I’ll never forget the few rides in it! Doug, thanks for sharing this!

[@Mamo878]

Um, it's not really the original Turbo. That would be the 1976 Turbo Carrera with a 3.0L engine. Then after that in 1978 the 3.3L Turbo 930 came out. In the US that lasted until 1979 and went away for awhile but returned in 1986 as the car you see in the video.

[@jamesengland7461]

So, was the only difference the engine displacement?

[@Mamo878]

@@jamesengland7461 Not the only difference but the engine was the biggest difference, as well as adding an air-to-air intercooler to it. Plus, the 'whale tail' style spoiler changed to the blocky version as in this video known as the 'tea tray' spoiler. That extra space in the spoiler is where the intercooler would fit into. Also, with that 3.3L '78 version came notable improvements to the brakes (they were upgraded to ones similar to those used in the 917 racecar!) and also quite a few suspension improvements. All-in-all those were significant improvements. Back in the day the 0-60 mph test numbers, for example, went from 6.7s for the 1976 3.0L Turbo Carrera to an incredible at the time 5.0s for the 3.3L 1978 930 Turbo.

[@marcusjosefsson4998]

3:40 Putting that big spoiler in the back was absolutely necessary for keeping the car on the road at all. Also the intercooler is mounted there. It's really not excessive at all, it's engineering necessities.

[@SK-hz1nc]

Notification squad 🙂

[@roddydykes7053]

👏

[@nitishgoel3969]

Tell me you don’t have a life without telling me you don’t have a life

[@jimjoglung]

Serious concern for flatwanni-probably dead right now, or still just embarrassed from getting PWNED for over a month! LMAPPOOOO

[@alk3myst]

One of my best friends was lucky enough in high school back in 1985-1989 had a 930 Turbo, the new 86.5 Supra, a Testarossa, a Ferrari 328 GTS, a Ninja 600, and probably others I forget.

[@rideepicdriveepic]

Not turbo lag. Turbo hole. There is a difference between turbo lag and turbo "hole". Turbo hole is a rev range in which the turbo is useful, i.e. it's spooling to enough rotation that you can feel the boost build up. It's effectively the amount of gas coming out the exhaust that is building enough pressure to spool the turbo so that it spins high enough so that it can squeeze enough extra air into the engine so that you can feel it. On the modern car's turbos it's very low, around 2000rpm which is incredibly cool and makes the car feel torquey. This also implies that the turbos are probably not huge. Generally, the larger the turbo, to higher this hole is, i.e. the more revs the engine needs to actually spool the turbo. Turbo lag on the other hand is the time it takes for the turbo to spool from when you hit the accelerator. Let's say you're in the car above, that's now sitting at I dunno, 90mph, at around 4000rpm. It's in the power range, it will deliver a lot of power....however, if you completely let go off the gas, wait a second, and then you hit full gas, even if you're within the power range of the turbo, it will still take A LITTLE time, just a tiny bit, maybe 0.2-0.4s until the turbo builds up boost. It's in the rev range, meaning the exhaust gasses will spool it up no problem, but that whole chain of events does take a tiny bit of time longer than it is for example in the N/A car. Rally cars for example have the misfiring system, or the antilag, which effectively doesn't allow the turbo to lose it's rotational speed, so that the hit on the accelerator gives immediate response.

[@jamesengland7461]

I've never heard of "turbo hole." I suspect it's because this is not a thing.

[@rideepicdriveepic]

@@jamesengland7461 That's ok, car mechanics is not for everyone, let alone KZbin racers.

[@bloatedtreeful]

The other interior clue that you were in a Turbo is the turbo bar meter fitted at the bottom of the tachometer. (The “plain” 911 has only the tach.)

[@ruk2023--]

I can attest to those back seats not being a place for long journeys. At the start of my career our team leader had a 86 carrera and four us of used to go to work in it. Being the most junior me and another lad were squashed in the back for 2 x 20 minute journeys every weekday.

[@badsplinter]

My brother went to Germany and the Porsche factory and brought back a 930 Turbo model in Black with Gold. This was and still is the ultimate Porsche for me.

[@jamesvelvet3612]

My 1987 930 was ordered in October of 1986 at the Porsche dealer in Fairfield, CT. Took awhile to come in, Grand Prix White with Burgundy interior and sport seats . It came from factory with the E.T Come Home rear brake light. Still have the dealer order: $61k included Connecticut sales tax, freight and dealer prep.

[@stefanmarraccini8646]

No surprise I'm sure, but that exact car was THE SCORE when it came to our high school valet parking crew in Palm Springs, CA. Granted when one did show up it was driven all of 50 feet or so for the obligatory complimentary parking spots right outside the restaurant doors. SOP was to reserve them for cars we deemed worthy. 😀 Still so sexy. Thanks Doug. 👍

[@robincoope5352]

Love how the fuel door release pull is very similar to the various knobs on my dad's 1971 VW Squareback station wagon. The fuel door was very similar as well, though on the passenger side on the Squareback, but I think the release was just a free hanging knob under the dashboard on a rubberized rope. This is clearly more high end...

[@DUNEATV]

My favorite car ever made on earth hands down! I’m 50 years old and never had a chance to own one or even drive one!