(MAJOR CONTROVERSY!) Phil Hellmuth Demands Money From Mike Matusow While Playing

[@CribNotes]

The funny part about Hellmuth going south with half of Mike's chips is the other players NOT objecting to it, i.e always be accommodating and friendly to the fish at your table!!

[@jakemiller663]

I never thought about it like that, but you are 100% right.

[@CribNotes]

@@jakemiller663 Old school customer service not understood by many of today's GTO youngsters.

[@Run187]

He should have waited till after the hand. Imagine of he had chips/ cards in play..

[@bill9097]

Smart! At first, I was thinking why would the LATB regs let Phil get away with this, but you're right - keep the fish in the pond! Typical childish Phil shit to do it in the middle of a hand. Imagine his response of indignity if someone did this in the middle of a hand he was in.

[@izang5800]

He didn't see the A10 hand against Cantu

[@benflippin5070]

The Alec Torelli jokes should never stop.

[@Tootbook]

Indeed

[@ashwan91]

Seriously! Really dislike him 😒 after his 5k chip hide and seek

[@prudiceflc]

yeah never gets old DD

[@ChrisHyde537]

Ben Shippin Obviously, you have a bias against left handed people 🤓🤓🤓

[@Lilbailnick]

No no, the joke needs to stay as, “I wasn’t hiding my chips it’s that I’m just left handed”. What are you prejudice against lefties who rocks a scarf in the desert? Sneaky me, with my eyebrow tilting in acknowledgment of guilt..ha ha ha ha ha, The world is not enough!

[@larrysinger9359]

Phil H was 100% wrong. I'd object and can't believe nobody else said anything, especially IN THE MIDDLE OF A HAND!!! omg have some respect

[@jf5618]

Exactly...middle of a hand. Disrespect at its most disgustingly greedy point. Objective of the game is to win as much money as possible but that doesn’t not imply being as greedy as possible. Total crap and “yum yum” pisses me off in general. So lame and such a puss

[@braddonoghue6929]

Omg this is brutal.. wouldn't expect them to do this of all people.

[@larrysinger9359]

@Cashane I would agree with u on that, but doing that in the middle of a hand would have been good cover to call him out on that. If it has been between hands, I could understand nobody tapping the glass.

[@Buz-Lunch-Punx]

@@jf5618 What's "yum yum"?

[@ryanoreily5402]

As ppl already said, MM is a big fish in this game and that´s why they let him do it so he won´t quit.

[@Dplatt49]

Did he say Polker news? Ladies and gentleman, we got him

[@aaronh8943]

What you gonna do, sue him with attorneys, which you can't afford?

[@beanshady]

@NotAPolarBear Yep :D And nothing against Stapes, but I really like when Doug covers Poker after Dark hands. His delivery of jokes is dead on, while Stapes always performs like he's just waking up with the blahs.

[@JohnRometo]

@@aaronh8943 im sure u can afford them rich guy

[@pugsnhogz]

@@beanshady ew plz don't call him "Stapes"

[@beanshady]

@@pugsnhogz That's his nickname dude. I didn't create it :D

[@tootall5559]

unless Matasow was quitting too, that's all kinds of wrong.

[@KillerMarces]

I loved when you are talking about angle shooting and showed Alec Torrelli, but remember, he is left handed.

[@RaspberryRockOffGridCabin]

Did he get away with that or did they make him fold?

[@ChrisHyde537]

Raspberry Rock - Off Grid Cabin He got away with it and stacked his opponent

[@ChrisHyde537]

KillerMarce As well as underhanded

[@billgarrity6720]

Torelli isn't left handed, he's underhanded. This was an angle plain and simple.

[@wooster0015]

You talk to much

[@robertferdinand3688]

He should not have been able to remove mikes chips . Unfair to the other players who lost them to mike . Simple

[@nachojimenez2420]

Jesus. I hadn't seen the angle slowed down. The eyes. No doubt.

[@acewild9689]

the eyes never lie

[@jackhalas9493]

I don't see anything "anglie" about looking at your opponent's cards. If your opponent is dumb enough to show you their cards, that's their problem and not yours. The Asian guy did nothing wrong in my opinion

[@wjchang12]

Jack Halas are you fking serious?

[@nachojimenez2420]

@@jackhalas9493 What about the fake fold, genius? Put the two together, it is an angle, plain as day. "all he did was look at his cards" Are you high?

[@LucianDevine]

@@jackhalas9493 Except that the guy wouldn't be looking at his cards if he didn't think you were folding. Thus there would be nothing for you to see.

[@Duzykutas]

I love it that you call Daniel out always. That little weasel gets away with too much.

[@clementvw]

Getting away with meddling with the 2016 US presidential Elections, not imaginary Russians, but a real Candian getting naturalised as American with the specific intent (Dneg's own words) to vote for Clinton, where's the outrage now? #CanadianBacon

[@ketchup143]

daniel is not a weasel. he's a better player than doug. he hasn't adjusted to the new poker age etiquette well and comes off as bad-natured. but doug isn't a knight in shining armor either. his abrasiveness is to get views which means more money in his pocket--no different than the hustling daniel does.

[@Duzykutas]

@@ketchup143 Daniel is a fake nice guy. He's way more bad natured than Doug but unfortunately that is lost on people like you (no offense personally). Doug is genuine, Daniel is not. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

[@ketchup143]

@@Duzykutas sure, genuinely annoying. if u ever saw that pokernews.com video where they went to daneil's house, u found out that he was a trouble maker in school who was kind of aimless. if that personality type is seeping through into his adult life and u picked up on that, that may be where ur getting the fake vibe. i haven't seen much of doug in real life settings but his showmanship is too cornballish to take seriously. i've heard way more intelligent anecdotes and words of wisdom from daniel than doug. daniel takes way more of the old-school, soul-reading approach. why is doug so threatened by that?

[@Duzykutas]

@@ketchup143 I doubt Doug feels threatened by Daniel, more like just doesn't appreciate Daniel's personality. I appreciate your mature response, we don't all need to agree as long as we respect other people's opinions.

[@TaylorHaubrich]

You can clearly tell that was an angle because why else look at your opponent when doing it? Then he tries to play it off.

[@nardinit]

Angle or not it shouldn't have been allowed. The dealer should have said something, the players too. This isn't even a 'close' spot. Shocking that it was allowed

[@martinez14146969]

Doug thank you for all the videos really helps with my depression ❤️

[@eg8568]

Stay strong my friend

[@DeathBySlushPuppy]

Its funny how much a comment can resonate so deeply

[@andri3012]

@Fizzbuzz Phrasing..

[@hit.the_north]

No no, it helps him get depressed.

[@Alberts_Stuff]

Yo, resonated with me too 😔 Wasn't expecting that. From A depressed Brit 💙

[@glenbuyer8738]

Phil wasn’t using his own deck he was using an agreed upon brand (one that is known to have imperfect print) and utilising a technique called edge sorting to gain a tiny advantage. What I find surprising is, it was all agreed to by both parties before engaging in the high stakes baccarat session. I don’t feel the casino would win that appeal in any other country in the world, totally absurd

[@ChristopherCLindner]

Your discussion about angle shooting was spot on. It always shocks me that every time someone cheats or angle shoots, there's a crowd of people who want to trust what the angle shooter says after the fact and take them at their word. Somehow people don't get that someone who's shitty enough to cheat is also shitty enough to lie.

[@F0rtysxity]

It's kind of right in the grey area. In theory he asked Mike to get up. Which is in his rights as a backer. Mike then asked the table if anyone cares. He's a fish so they said no, he can keep playing. And he got to keep playing. Except it sounds like they kind of skipped some of those steps and went right to "I'm assuming no one cares." Which is wrong. Because Mike is a losing player in that lineup it's not a big deal. Except it involves Phil Helmuth who is a poker 'ambassador' and so it turns into something worth talking about.

[@johannesr3983]

Exactly. If you play live at home games etc this sort of things happens all the time and people are usually very chill about it. But you do need to be polite and ask if it is ok, and if somebody refuses you need to be ok with the refusal and not complain.

[@markyboyruthless927]

Doug. Your trolling is soo good . That I don't even know if the backwards hat is a troll or your style these days. Troll king

[@joaoalegria7578]

he's balancing his trolling ;)

[@rc5989]

Honestly, I think Doug always wanted to wear the hat but only recently decided to come out. Doug is a 12 year old boy stuck in a 31 year old man’s body.

[@tongmaa]

It is just too funny! Lol, hahaha, hehehe and all that cacahuatl! Trolls 'trolling' trolls, with trolls stacked-up behind!!!

[@DougPolkPoker]

@@rc5989 Wrong. Im 30.

[@tongmaa]

@James Fondren Hi Jim. My understanding is that trolls lurk around and jump out, up or behind someone they can intimidate, harass and play at being superior, also, like me. Or, fish for agreement of their clever criticism. You sure can take the bait, fish ... butt your excuse making needs some work ...:) Doug, definitely has you beat in the imagination arena ...

[@freeursoulpark6087]

Doug thank you for all the videos, really help taste my joint better daily.

[@junito1008]

6:03 I Would've Punched the Sh*t out of Zhou right in there !!😡 He's not just trying to see a reaction...He was trying to see the cards...that's really Pathetic !!

[@CatBoyVibes]

Yeah, I definitely would have fucked dude up for that

[@DissidentPrick]

That was super cheap.

[@timmarinelli2962]

Then plays it off like. "Bruh?!, what? Me?....check yourself 😡" 😂😂😂

[@pkrdrgn]

if Mike took money off the table to pay Phil than he either needed to replace that money on the table or leave the game.

[@kennethmurphy8122]

Exactly

[@lestermount3287]

exactly you can't take money or chips off the table and continue to play.

[@Schizim]

Back in 2006 I played my first poker hand ever at a casino. I hit a 10k+ pot with quad aces. There was cash in the pot. I took the cash and put it in my wallet because I didn’t like it in front of me. Everyone at the table went ballistic. Floor manager came over and told me I couldn’t take cash off the table because it was in play. I promptly stood up and cashed out. Went to go get food and bought back in with $2500 about 3 hrs later. People were pissed but I had to consult with my friend to see wtf was going on.

[@RaptoRRhythmone]

Phil ivey dident use his own cards where did you get that from. He asked the deck to be changed it was the casiones own cards that had flaws.

[@Fishcakes1]

Yes, Doug doesn't fact check for his trolling reasons and click bait.

[@Run187]

Yes, he used advantages which the casino decided they didn't like after they lost money even though they gave him them. Who represented Phil lionel hutz..

[@OliHandy2008]

@@Run187 Doesn't matter who defends you if you are up against the system. No tears for Ivey from me, but it still reeks that they objected AFTER the event. It's like when Doug said (about people claiming back money for action %) would the casino have objected if Ivey had lost money? No. They got played and cried to the law like pussies.

[@IS-lz5ev]

He didnt mean it literally, simpleton.

[@clementvw]

From what i seen/heard of it, the Casino knew they would go to court if Ivey won, and would not if he lost, so they had no downside to the proposal. #Rigged

[@grimzombieapocalypse1484]

Also your right, who would want to watch their favourite sport but instead of good players we just throw celebrities in.... boring after 5 minutes right?

[@loud_noises_nick]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@pugsnhogz]

@@loud_noises_nick ask Kevin Hart... 😂

[@Avaloctus]

Phil Ivey used his own deck(s) of cards ? As far as I've heard so far he requested card decks of a certain company to be used....and the Casino was fine wth it.

[@jakepetruolo1847]

Phil wasn't cheating per say he was edge sorting with cards where the cut left imperfect patterns on the sides and having the cards turned different directions playing baccarat to know what was coming the casinos allowed all this to happen when they never batted an eye at his requests for special cards and Asian dealer and he had a female partner that's a known edge sorter it's the casinos fault for not protecting there own money

[@timdoherty101]

@@jakepetruolo1847 *per se

[@Darric1Actual]

I've never had someone else's money in my stack, but I can understand how Mike is pressured to give Phils money back. Making Mike do it at the table/mid game really jams him up, and Mike was right.. if they were to get consensus from the table then maybe it's ok. If someone objects, then quit out I guess?

[@DissidentPrick]

At my local casino you can’t even take chips off your stack to buy a drink.

[@rc5989]

Yeah, Phil should technically be allowed to take his money, but it is not good for the game. I guess if the table protested, then Mikey would have to quit. So, either way Phil gets his money, but does not look good doing it. Also, was that JungleMan? Looked just like him but surely these are stakes too low for Jungle.

[@jimduggan8314]

" Phil should technically be allowed to take his money" please explain this, as far as i can tell he technically should not be aloud to do this, but he did it anyway.

[@mecheckraise]

Phil knows that is not cool. He acts as if he is not worth $20 million. No class.

[@marca.6391]

Saying its 8 and I'm out @ 8PM knowing the history of a game of this magnitude. And knowing that Mike's starting to get gooey from meds is slippery. You need to ask if anyone has a problem with taking $ off table, can't assume.

[@SleezeJest]

Agreed- this is super scummy. I only wonder about how people see The Mouth behind closed doors though... there might not be much respect there. A drug bust in 2003? Owes money everywhere and is def in the red? Maybe just get your money when you can get it from this dude... even if you're backing him?

[@woswasdenni1914]

i dont think helmuth did it because he needs the money. not at all. it was to humiliate mike. thats why he "diclose" he has a piece of him. its not to be fair to others, but to humilate him. he is constantly going on about this on the table too. just a few hours ago he did that again on the stream. really to the point where you really feel sorry for mike that he has to put up with that nonsense

[@mikeegan7834]

I think Phil should have asked the table first, but if the game was scheduled to end already it’s not the end of the world.

[@SirChadwick84]

@@GosuTricks He was likely just throwing out "$20 million" as an arbitrary number. Of course Hellmuth isn't up that much at poker. With endorsements though, he's got heaps.

[@DavidL1986]

People that angle shoot are bad for the game.. it's no different to say people who abuse refereees, or dive / cheat in sports

[@theworldisjustenough]

There should not even be a discussion. Its not allowed to take chips off the table during the game. Its totally irrelevant where Mike got his chips from, Phill, me, Trump, not important. As long as he sits there and plays he can not take off chips. The dealer must stop this. And even if the others want Mike to stay he either has to leave or keep his chips. A rule is a rule and not a rule for some and not a rule for others.

[@Jokerlevin]

The beef should be with Mike then really. He shouldve left with Phil since he cant afford to play anyways.

[@RepentNBelieveNJesus]

Phil Ivey shouldn’t owe any money. That lawsuit was BS

[@bastienreynolds97]

Exactly, Its like if u beat someone in poker and they decide to sue u because although they agreed to play u, they lost because of ur edge

[@Run187]

They allowed him all the advantages. That being said they also allowed him to use his own cards then complained. Moronic move by the casino, not phils fault ergo as mentioned he should be repaying..

[@Run187]

@@bastienreynolds97 someone once beat my set of kings with aces I demand a refund poker stars. He also never rivered the ace so pokerstars have to pay me. I lost a dollar in the buy in but I want eleventy trillion pounds..

[@corbinsmith50]

The casinos have huge edges built into their games, how is what Phil did any different? Phil should just go to Monaco and give them the finger.

[@abanoubabdelmalek7603]

The casino came back and said they were joking. So they won the court case.

[@beyondbassic]

Let's not forget the Daniel "oops, I accidentally made it 11x pre w AK vs Steven Silverman"

[@Jokerlevin]

Though I gotta say. In that situation Silverman was an idiot for falling for it.

[@CipherSerpico]

beyondbassic There was absolutely nothing wrong with what he did. And I don’t even like Negreanu. There is no logic whatsoever in saying that something like that is unethical.

[@CrazyLarry23]

@@CipherSerpico There's nothing wrong with it but it was still a scummy move. Daniel was a boss back in the day, now he's a total dick.

[@NikhilAutar]

I dunno about that one. Is that an angle? He did talk and make it out to be one that's for sure

[@CipherSerpico]

Curious Clive Is it also unethical to raise if you don’t have a good hand when someone accidentally throws too many chips in? Why isn’t it unethical to slowplay a hand? There’s no logic to what you’re saying. How is it scummy to deceive someone about the strength of your hand? Once you learn to realize when people are doing stuff like what Negreanu did, you’ll want him to keep doing it. The problem with most online players is that they aren’t good at realizing when people are doing that kind of thing. It’s free information. And when you play live long enough you’ll realize that it’s actually a benefit. To be clear, I never do stuff like that. I never talk. I don’t make facial expressions. I don’t try those little tricks. I just don’t think they’re unethical.

[@earsonlyaudio887]

Mixed feelings on the Helmuth thing. As I understand it, Phil was backing him for the specific live at the Bike show and they were passed the time the game was supposed to end. Is it right to force Phil to stay in the game, or even continue his investment with Mike after that investment should have been up? At the same time, I think it's better for Phil to say, "Hey Mike, the show is over, let's go cash out." With that being said, the discussion about Phil taking half of Mike's stack off the table took place over about 4 minutes, in front of the whole table. At any point, any player could have said that it wasn't cool. However, I clearly hear 1 player say that he's fine with it, a second player asks what's happening, is told and doesn't say no. Like everything in poker, you need to protect yourself, so if it's a problem, it wasn't conducted in secret and these players can only blame themselves. My guess is that most of these players see Mike as a mark. They know when he has a big stack, he rocks up, but if his stack gets cut in half, he's more likely to give more action and gamble. Perhaps all of the players would rather have gamble Mike at the table, so they were perfectly happy taking 20 grand off the table because there's almost no chance of Mike spreading around 40 large, but 20, he might start splashing a bit.

[@mgecko2959]

Not sure what are casino rules on that. Where I live dealer wouldn't let you get chips off the table and remain in game. Here even if I cash out for certain amount and want to come back to the game 2 hours later to same table I have to buy in for at least the amount I cashed out for.

[@deeloc1993]

When it comes to saying polker news, Doug is like the DJ from the goods, hell never do it when asked , just randomly on his own time

[@CribNotes]

The Phil Ivey thing still pisses me off. And no, Doug, Ivey did not bring his own deck of cards to the Borgata baccarat table. Who the fk was Phil's lawyer? They should not have framed Ivey's defense around whether or not he was cheating or not. They should have framed it around the FACT that the casino knew what he was doing and they were free-rolling Ivey. His edge sorting edge was not guaranteed. He could have lost a shit ton of money. The casino knew what he was doing and decided if he lost they would win his money and if he won, they would not pay him. THAT should have been the case made for Ivey's defense.

[@RangeWilson]

LOL you're saying a lawyer should blame the CASINO for free-rolling a scammer? GTFO...

[@RepentNBelieveNJesus]

Maybe Phil had a good lawyer but the judge that made the decision was bribed

[@CribNotes]

@@RangeWilson Yep. Ivey did not cheat. He just took advantage of casino incompetence. It's the casino's responsibility to use playing cards that are not defective. But that's not the point here regarding the justice of this case. The casino was free-rolling Ivey so how were they harmed by Ivey?

[@zamanski7094]

The usual Phil nitery! That was bs he was really belittling mike in front of everyone telling him he needed to take his meds and shoulda asked everyone at the table! Your trolling was 🔥🔥 even on yourself

[@MrKydaman]

I love that Doug calls people out for their bullshit and doesn't care who they are. Torelli, DNegs, Hellmuth, etc. doesn't matter. If you do something shitty he will expose your shenanigans.

[@gman9035]

I love how hellmuth thinks he can say or do anything at the table

[@MrSitemaster2]

It feels like there's some kind of collusion going on. I mean before they join the table they agree if one of them starts crushing, come up with some excuse for one of them to leave the table with the profits. Which they can split later, while the other stays and plays on with what is effectively the other players money.

[@jasonwilliam2125]

This Doug kid was good at poker but he is EXCELLENT at making vids about poker. His analysis is always awesome, i do not always agree with him but his view is varied and he never seems to set views in stone and is willing to change depending on circumstances. In my personal view there is nothing worse than some twit giving their point of view and never bending even when they should, this kid does not do that. Highly recommended, subbed:)

[@DougPolkPoker]

Thanks Jason!

[@anthonycarchidi578]

How the hell did all these players not say something. Cant take money off the table. Never seen anything like that. Surprised Garrett let that happen.

[@7cantona7]

'This would be the worst thing that has happened to this guy since he decided to grow that moustache' 😂😂😂

[@chrisgee188]

You mentioned at 9:30 Phil Ivey used his own deck of cards or an improved deck of cards. But wasn't it just imperfections in the cards that he and his partner spotted? They got the croupier to rotate the cards so they could use the imperfections to read the cards but they did not alter them, right?

[@bastienreynolds97]

Yes, Doug was a lil sloppy on this reporting.

[@SgtSayWhat]

That’s definitely a fold. This is why tables need clear lines that your cards have to remain behind to stay live.

[@pctotty]

That is definitely not a fold. The cards are live, till they hit the muck. It is a clear angle, but within the rules of the game. Hiding your large denomination chips or taking chips out of play is clearly against the rules of the game.

[@johnbakker4828]

Didn't mind the Hellmuth/Matusow situation, especially since Phil stated at the beginning that he had half of Mike's action.

[@xArmota18]

No matter what Shit im going thru in life, I watch your videos Doug and genuinely laugh and smile at your jokes and humour. Thanks so much

[@handsome_man69]

I watch kitten videos to make me feel better

[@michaeldurrant8446]

Looking at a players' cards who fails to protect them isn't angle shooting. Protect your hand. BUT - the fake fold is pretty egregious.

[@bradasstv]

Don't care for Hellmuth but I don't see an issue. Some casinos make both men cash out then the one who wanted to keep playing just comes right back with half the stack and you are still accomplishing the same exact thing. Just let him take his chips and move on. I've also had this issue where they won't let you sell chips to other players until you physically leave the game. I don't see the big deal. As long as neither of you are in a hand you should be able to do what you want with your chips. For example I know I will be finishing up soon and a guy busts, he doesn't want to wait for chips at the cage. They won't let you sell him some of your chips until you are physically up and out of the game. As soon as I say I am done they then say now you can sell him some... As long as the money is staying at the table I don't see a big deal. Maybe you can tell me why it would be a big deal. I'm probably missing something, which is usually the case 😉

[@ChinGuan31]

i kind of agree as long as they are not in the hand

[@beanshady]

The money was taken off the table; that's the difference. I agree with you though with your comments overall, and it's really up to the players still in the game to make the fuss. If they don't, then there really is no issue. Of course actions like this aren't advised for other reasons, like players banding together to force you out of hands, not being invited on tables, etc. Not a great move by Hellmuth, but I wouldn't mind if I was one of the other players just to get him off the table due to his antics ;)

[@bradasstv]

@@beanshady haha I totally get that and I could see Hellmuth making a big deal about it if someone else had did the same thing 🤣

[@ChinGuan31]

@@beanshady i understand , but it dont make sense. if one player want to cash out after his hand they have the right to cash out .then if next player come join in the game wit lesser stack how does it affect the game. of course we dont encourage player to keep destack.. The game usually will be more fun and gamblish when everyone stack is high

[@beanshady]

@@ChinGuan31 True.. but he took cash from a player who he staked (Matisow) who is still playing after Hellmuth leaves. Hellmuth should have just left and settled with Matisow later, leaving that money and chips in play. Players can see this as poor etiquette, while also leaving his "friend" with less maneuverability due to now having fewer chips to call down hands with (more likely to go all-in as a result). In the end, it's about the players and how they view this action that Hellmuth took. It's not quite as bad as winning a very large hand and getting up and leaving the table, but it's in the same vein. Nothing technically wrong with either action, but both can have consequences in future poker sessions as I indicated earlier (collaboration against said player, not being invited to specific games, etc.). Me personally, I can't stand Hellmuth and would have been happy with anything just to get him off the table.. which is probably why the other players didn't complain about what he did.

[@piettefrank]

Wow!!? Never seen anything like it. Hellmuth (the so pro) collecting money from the table like a child and amateur! Absolutely not acceptable and these players should have said something. It shows you Hellmuth lack of experience in cash games. Collect the money later from Matusow. Hellmuth is just not at these guys level never has been; only a tournament player and cash wise, there are thousands of players more advance than him

[@lucruijsink6512]

Loving these daily reminders to go see if there's a new Staples video out yet. Thanks Doug!

[@chickbird4379]

The first thing I always do when there's an angle shoot like that you got to watch where the dude's eyes go and he clearly looked at that guy's cards as soon as he left it up I thought okay for a second maybe he just pushed him forward pulled them back and I look to see if his eyes looked at the dude's face but no he looked right at his cards So grimy

[@Lucifer3001]

ChickBird 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[@tjebbedonckers]

I can't quite put my finger on it, but Vanessa definetely has a different look lately.

[@theaveragejoe6854]

She is wearing a pretty hat. Looks more lady like than usual

[@dustinmorgan8516]

When you stake a player. Unless previous discussed that player is entitled to play until they go broke or are ready to stop playing. At minimum even though you cant pass chips at most places the money should have stayed in Phils stack

[@georgecheatham1880]

They weren't supposed to play as long as they did. Phil clearly said that in the video. I do believe he probably should have waited till Mike stopped playing but it is his money and he didn't want to wait any longer. Not a great thing but definitely not as bad as people are saying.

[@YouTube_is_full_of_trolls]

The day is now complete... we got a new video... p.s I like the balancing of your headgear game

[@tmoney1876]

"...they're going to give a better version..." ...How about "...they're going to lie..." Yes. That seems closer to what's really happening.

[@not_a_cool_handle]

Clearly, everything you do on the table conveys information

[@richardfeynman2960]

Well, as I heard it, Helmuth said they "weren't supposed to play this long" which indicates to me that they had agreed on a time to leave the table, but pushed the clock when Matusow had his streak. At some point u gotta call it quits, so I don't really have a problem with Helmuth calling it. The odd situation seems to arise because Matusow still wanna stay past his agreement with Helmuth. The proper thing to do was for *Matusow* to ask the others if it was ok to give Helmuth some of his chips, and explain he would cash in an leave if not. #morerakeisbetter

[@DustinPlatt]

Bring back the old days when angle shooters actually get shot.

[@barthk3640]

I LIKE this idea ;) I've seen my share. N believe me. Been more then a few that should have been shot out back n thrown in the trunk

[@nenad8600]

Barth K stfu

[@sslavens80]

The Hellmuth thing should have never been allowed. I would be pissed if Mike won my money and I didn't have a chance to win it back.

[@rustygold1958]

Thank Doug. I was not sure what the heck was happening there.

[@epicstandards8080]

Great video, but when talking about phil Ivel, you said he was using his deck, he did not bring his decks to the casino, he requested a certain brand. If the casino did not recognize the flaw in the cards it's their fault. When you say he brought his own cards you give the idea to people that he brought them, this he is a cheater. That's not the case. Just because he lost in court, 1 individual versus a multi billion dollar business, it was expected, does not make him a liar or cheater. Dont stoop to that level bro. Either way thanks for the years of good videos!

[@scorpio8428]

This is common knowledge but did not get mentioned in the video. Doug, how do you not know the facts of the situation, or are you leaving them out?

[@andykbh]

just watched the angelshoot and he clearly sees his card and pulls his own back. so nasty

[@TheKillacam818]

Phil and Mike should’ve asked the other players if it’s okay to do so beforehand

[@izang5800]

Mike respects others he said you should have asked. Phil has always acted like a child. They can do that but Mike has to sit up from the table for half an hour and then rebuy in if the seat isn't taken by someone else. You can't go south while still at the table.

[@lukadelic4693]

I would take my money back from the mouth aswell he’s known for having a winning session than losing it all in one mistake

[@tido140]

Proper etiquette would be to ask the players if it was alright, if not then both players leave the table Mike goes to the bottom of the player list and re-buys in after a reasonable agreed on time by the players OR by room policy

[@lane9234]

have you thought about calling it poker news?

[@vladbcom]

Oh stop it! It only took us forever to get him to correctly address it as "Polker News" and now you throw a wrench in this!

[@richardkocksworthy8423]

I still like Doug News

[@barrygallagher3306]

the alternative is mike leaves, pays phil then asks to buy back in with the remaining chips. unneccessary steps really as all the players are happy to have mike in the game even with less chips

[@randyfisher6592]

It may have been the lesser of two evils in that sense, but it still puts the table in an awkward position because it's really a bad practice that shouldn't be allowed.

[@duffelbagdustin9944]

Doug I really appreciate all the work you put into this shit. It is not taken for granted, at least by this cat ✌️

[@AsaSpater]

Why would anyone play in a game where one player at the table had a piece of another. Isn’t that the definition of collusion?

[@ChrisHyde537]

Benjamin Spater I’ve never really understood that. Apparently, it’s very common among pros.

[@Locke19901]

Doug, you've done it. I've binged watched a ton of your old videos. I've subscribed. And I bit and subscribed to upswing. Now please stop giving away all the free content so the games don't get any harder.

[@lonewolfbieniak4210]

Since Matusow still had 20K, he could keep on playing or call it a night himself to regroup. $20,000 is a nice chunk to work with. I do think they should have settled away from the table. Was Mike willing to get up and do that? Phil helped Mike out, was ready to go, wanted to settle, and didn't want the headache. I agree with you, Phil Hellmuth. We all know how it is in the casino/poker world ✌

[@steveomac385]

I agree. Didn't Phil even say you can quit too. I don't have context for the game but he made it sound like the plan was for the game to over sooner. If the plan is 6 and it's 8 and you're like dude I want to go, then that's more than fair.

[@luckyluchiano4759]

That wouldn't even fly at a 1/3 game.. any of it..lol

[@zackryan01]

Well, to be fair, lots of things fly at big games that don't fly at 1/3

[@davidgraney3413]

Your not wrong but at high stakes games they operate a little different than 1/2 1/3 level stakes. As the great Phil Laak once said "Anything goes in sicko land at these nose bleed stakes"

[@jonathanpatkus7930]

Probably not cool however no one wants Mike to pick up so no one really cared. No one complained when Phil put him in the game...

[@JoseCamposTX]

Love the content Doug keep it up.

[@coltukkor]

Which ones Phil and which ones Mike?

[@tamicha1]

"Very legal, very cool" - Daniel Negreanu

[@MrSrslySirius]

I clapped when I saw this comment I KNOW WHAT THAT IS

[@johncrumpley8702]

Going South is Going South. I lost a lot of respect for Hellmuth right there.

[@luckyduckimona9787]

John Crumpley you had respect for him, have you been living in a cave?

[@johncrumpley8702]

@@luckyduckimona9787 Not really. I just like when he gets into a tither... entertaining. However, Going South is something I can't condone.

[@JedmcCj-uq5dw]

Doug you are WAY too old to be wearing your hat like that. I stopped doing that like yesterday.

[@TheEvilJade]

Biggest and the most common angle shoot in Poker is the not showing the cards in order required by the rules. The amount of time of have seen an "Angle-Shooting" Pro delay their showdown and muck after the other player shows their cards not knowing the rules.

[@lennys6614]

You can't take chips off in a cash game, regardless of any side deals you have like staking. You can tell people were uncomfortable with it but they didn't wan to piss off phil because of his status.

[@kingsally2864]

I dont think its because of his status. I'm pretty sure it's because Phil and Mike are the fish at the table and you dont piss off the fish.

[@swalker9482]

Phil is the fish in cash games. Mike's pretty solid.

[@zibonocci7153]

Doug, Ivey did the same angle to you in the A4o v T9o hand (Aussi Millions) right after you bluff raised the river (tho not trying to look at your cards) but for me it was the same forward motion as here. I wondered that you didn't pick up on that or ever mentioned. Look at 5:17 at your video in which you analyze the hand.

[@MoeMoe-nu7vt]

The mouth 👄 is broke since the first day he turned pro

[@jth1699]

That move about one player taking another player's chips off the table is pure bs... their private agreement cannot effect the stack dynamics of the entire table. If Helmuth wants to leave the table and has put Mike in then when Mike leaves he can settle up ... I have been playing poker for 50 years and have never seen a game where anybody could take money off the table unless they were leaving the game. I'm surprised none of the other players said anything...they were all asleep at the switch...

[@brentclearwater36]

I'm pretty sure you can't dump chips to other players, and that pocketing chips in a table stakes situation is also prohibited. This seems clearly against the rules. Am I wrong?

[@sorrybadbeat]

yeah, bullshit move by phil, either stake him for the game or don't.

[@JN-cv8vj]

Phill thinks he can do whatever he likes. I’ve never been a fan, never will.

[@nikmarkwell]

Married man, one the best poker players in history. Your opinion doesn't count.

[@JN-cv8vj]

Bryan you obviously don’t play poker! Why are you even here? If you played you’d know all the bull phill gets away with. And it would upset you because you know the rules and etiquette. But you don’t so kindly fuck off scrub.

[@jakecooper5855]

The mainstream celebs are briefly entertaining, but it wears off quickly. Brad Garrett was a great example, he had a few laughs but was overbearing after a couple of hands. And you always know they will never win or play well unless they happen to find the ultimate cooler situation. The problem is, from previous examples, they always play extremely passive and end up slowly calling off their stacks. It's similar to playing a lot of older people in the casinos, you know they passively call pre and post flop, then fold turns and rivers without the nuts.

[@the_ratman_]

I choose option D. Money Laundering :P

[@VState60]

Not okay about going south BUT....every live pro knows you have to keep the fish happy (see: Matusow & Hellmuth).

[@georgecheatham1880]

I bet he has won more in cash games than you have. I bet he's even lost more money playing poker than you have even won so what does that make you. By Putting down a poker player who is way better than you, is just insulting yourself more. If he sucks then that must mean you are really bad then since he is one of the greatest players in the world.

[@BasedNeptune]

He needs to put his money where his *Mouth* is 🥁🎵

[@teippio5613]

AHAHHAHA

[@floatinghandsmtg9360]

From the conversation I hear they were 'running' late. Did this 'getting off' come after the scheduled session? If yes then would this count as the 'event ending' and therefore this a new session as in a new live at the bike session. I think he should have asked but I think if he said he was staking Mike for just this event, then the event runs late and the stream continues then Hellmuth has fullfilled the agreed stake and it should be treated as both quitting the event and then signing back up for the table. The other players can totally refuse but I think its fine.

[@Juide80]

One night, one stack!

[@evanserickson]

It’s a cash game and Phil had the right to cash out his money but if he staked another player they cannot partially cash out their stack unless they stop playing as well

[@ItsNotMeItsYou007]

Unless no one complains because they would rather he stay with half the money than leave with it all.

[@InvestingwithStu]

Technically, could Mike not have left the table, then paid out Hellmuth, and then bought in again? I'm sure the other players would look at that option he had and be okay with it.

[@richardrfk]

Most card rooms have a time limit you have to wait ( 1 hour ) if you take your stack away and try to come back to that same table.

[@ohmyrage]

On the Rob Yong poll- It's similar to sports. We want to see the best compete in general. We don't care the gender, we want to see the fastest, the strongest the most skilled. Not a game of handicaps like the soft poker games. As played, we want to PLAY in soft games, but we want to Watch and be entertained by those at the top On the HS PLO HU match- It's not that surprising to see someone be willing to lose that much money. People do it in casinos playing against the house for large sums as well. Guy Laliberte and tons of unnamed guys lost a ton of money at high stakes over the years.

[@denske1272]

Phil is actually a standup guy imo and as much as he says stupid annoying shit when he is tilted the guy has had a hugely positive impact on poker as a whole...now he let matusow borrow money and it's not interfering with his ability to play he still has 100 bb so he has every right to ask for his money back and I see no issue with what he did

[@anarchyseeds4406]

Still has 100bb is completely irrelevant? What’s 100bb? His stack is 200bb. He can play with that or nothing according to the rules.

[@denske1272]

@@anarchyseeds4406 I dont understand what you are saying

[@anarchyseeds4406]

Jesse Moreau saying he still has 100bb is irrelevant.

[@denske1272]

@@anarchyseeds4406 say what you want but the man had to borrow money to get in the game...so without phil helmuth he wouldnt have been in the game at all

[@anarchyseeds4406]

Jesse Moreau then he shouldn’t have been in the game lol. Not sure what your getting at.

[@rollerball2297]

I have to say I agree with Hellmuth. It might seem cheap of him but let’s be honest Matusow is NOTORIOUS for not repaying money. So although it’s a little nitty his reputation forces Phil to do this. Lets be honest would he have to do that had he staked Doug Polk or Phil Ivey? Probably not. There’s a chance if he leaves he won’t ever get his money back. That probably explains why the other players didn’t object to it even thou they’d prefer Matusow keep more chips in the game.

[@davidgeorgecross815]

At first I read your comment and thought "yeah, this makes sense", but then I disagreed: If this was Hellmuth's mindset, why would he lend him the $ in the first place? It was just Hellmuth being Hellmuth......

[@mjriemen]

The Hellmuth/Matasow thing is weird and normally would obviously be a big deal. However they went well over the time they were scheduled to play... So that kinda murkys the water a little. Phil is totally in the right leaving when he wants to, and Phil was taking all his money when he left. So at that point Phil and Mike would both have to leave. As a result the game looses two players and X amount of dollars. I guess the more fair thing would be to ask to table (and obviously not in the middle of a hand... wtf? That was ool). if you were Phil. Let them know that you were leaving, and if hes leaving so is Mike, so if the rest of the table wants Mike to stay, its going to be without Phils part of the money, or Mike just leaves when Phil does.

[@travelright8150]

The actual "Controvery" is @10:31

[@leadfootfoot1474]

Regarding Mr. Hellmuth taking a bunch of chips off the table: The rule USED TO BE that you must give others a chance to win those chips (or win them back), so to take chips off the table in a live game you MUST CASH OUT THEN BUY BACK IN with the smaller amount. IF a seat is still open you can then return to the table, but remember that another player may have chosen to move to your now vacant chair!

[@pepijnverbrugge3440]

Maybe he wasn’t angelshooting, but just joking about folding

[@beanshady]

No he was definitely angle shooting. If he tried that at the home game I go to (low stakes), he would leave with a limp. Of course I play with friends I know, so none of us would ever try a scummy move like that. But the other player should not have lifted his cards though, so he needs to learn a lesson from this as well. Confirm that a player actually folds before showing any emotion and before taking any action with your cards, especially when you don't know the players you are playing with (casinos, unfamiliar home games, etc.).

[@davidgraney3413]

I think taking money off a table is always not a good look but I will also say that it should be up to the players. Mike and Phil had an agreement and Mike was all about getting Phil his cut and bouncing. No one at the table objected ( I was a little surprised) so I think it's fine but I do have to agree it was really shit timing by Phil to do that in the middle of a hand.

[@DissidentPrick]

At my local casino you can’t even pay for a drink from your stack, doesn’t matter if you have everyone covered. If you want to reduce your stack you have to quit playing but you have to wait 30 minutes before you can sit down and play again.

[@Darkens101]

The Shaun Deeb Dnegs hand it was deeb trying to angle Negreanu not the other way around. Sure he announced raise in a playful way but his intent was clear. He'd already picked up both handfuls of chips and put them in without pausing. Deeb was clearly just trying to use a technicality to stop him raising because his hand wasn't great.

[@jodymccullough5891]

I dunno, I can understand why nobody said anything. Hellmuth had staked him for what was supposed to be 6 hours (if comments are correct) and it reached a point where he needed to go. People are talking about "in the middle of a hand" but it was not a hand that Matusow was in. Phil just wanted his money back. For Matusow, hey Phil gets his money back and goes away. And for everyone else, Matusow just lost half his stack and sure that's less money there for you to win but it also means he won't be betting so aggressively. Sure you could make a fuss and maybe get Matusow booted but then you'll get $0 out of his stack. But I think mainly these guys know each other and it's just not that big of a deal to them.