DPReview TV: Panasonic 10-25mm F1.7 Preview + S1H and S1 firmware announcements

Hot on the heels of Panasonic's announcements from Cine Gear 2019, Chris and Jordan give us a hands-on preview of the new 10-25mm F1.7 lens, along with details of the new VLog upgrade for the S1 and the announcement of a new video-oriented full frame mirrorless model, the S1H.
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[@kriszhli]

Chris: got a wide angle F1.7 lens. Chris: shot the first picture with 22mm F9.

[@CleClark]

I agree. Dope review, but seeing him stop down to f9-f22 left me slightly puzzled. ha ha! Gotta resolve all the details I guess.

[@niccollsvideo]

Sun stars. DPREVIEW wants sun stars.

[@Princeton_James]

M43 is so underrated. I'm so happy with my G9.

[@IvanRiveraStagea]

High five from a fellow G9 user. I use the Tokina 14-20mm F2.0 with a speed booster for a 10-14mm F1.4 equivalent on M43. It does better than my native wide lenses under low light.

[@quanhuynh9332]

im targeting G9 too :D for photography xD

[@PekkoAhlsten]

A GH5 user here. Totally happy with the camera and lenses. GH5 is also a very capable photo camera. I shoot seascapes and landscapes with it.

[@ClevelandTerry]

I love my G9!!!

[@giuseppethesantis]

i still use my little beast em5-ii !!

[@ReynaldoRiveraJr]

Yay! Panasonic is still investing in Micro 4/3's. As a GH5 owner this makes me happy 😁

[@QuantayPeoples]

Thanks to Blackmagic design

[@rasheed106]

Looks like a match made in heaven with Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Cameras

[@7evive]

Can't wait to try it with mine

[@dasaauto2024]

When it was rumored that Panasonic had decided to add IS to the lens a few months ago that was my exact thought. But damn it, it didn’t have IS. The BMPCC cameras are never, ever going to have that perfect lens. (This is still amazing, but IS would’ve made it the lens for BMPCCs.)

[@baguskurniawan6529]

@@dasaauto2024 not to comment on your game, but cinema camera cant use IS when you try to 'shake' your image (action scene, etc), because it will counter the effect. Cinema camera is about to move with the rig

[@DGBomber]

@@dasaauto2024 If you are gonna spend this much for video, I'd suggest you to get a gimble, it's far better than any IBIS

[@voucherpcgarage222]

@@dasaauto2024 Crane 3 Lab

[@lexipau]

5:38 my heart stopped haha

[@mediamannaman]

Yeah. If that was staged (had to be, right?), the urgency of the off-screen voice and the look on the guy's face when he turned around really sold it.

[@drewcrawford3211]

The intro was perfect as usual.

[@victorshikhman]

It's wonderful to watch you guys have fun while you work.

[@danieldougan269]

That 10-25mm f1.7 is sexy AF. The manual focus clutch is exactly what Panasonic needed to do. My Olympus 12-40mm f2.8 PRO suits me just fine for stills and video (used versions can be found for under $500!) and I can switch to a prime like my Panasonic Leica Summilux 25mm f1.4 when I need something very fast, but I could totally see someone doing really high-end video work needing this.

[@evilgeniusentertainment]

Dan, that's kinda where I'm at too. Still eyeing the SIgma 16mm as my fast wide prime option....

[@dasaauto2024]

A full 1 1/2 stop faster than an f/2.8 lens. It’s pretty exciting. And $500 is a heck of a deal for that lens... Hmm. 🤔 I’ve always shot video on S35, APS-C and recently on an a7III-but people are in full blown mania over “full frame” video. Now looks like a good time to get into MFT to me... haha

[@TheJudge064]

It's unbelievably sexy. I just wish I could afford it. I think I'll have to make do the Olympus second hand like you mentioned. Thanks for the recommendation by the way.

[@mysticsailor9]

@@TheJudge064 You would not be "settling" with the 12-40mm Olympus lens, it is outstanding in every way ..and which incidently has the MF clutch..

[@danieldougan269]

​​@@mysticsailor9 Agreed. The 12-40 is a fantastic lens. It's f2.8 instead of f1.7, and the manual focus clutch has a fairly short throw, but it is usually enough for me. Plus, it has a much longer focal range.

[@claytonmoore2091]

This video also continues to prove how great a video camera the GH5 still is by any measure, I may need this lens.

[@orange42]

Chris and Jordan doing what Chris and Jordan do. And that is very very good.

[@cheekymonkey3829]

Very interesting... Might just get myself a micro 4/3rds Panny...

[@PaulStanChurcher]

Another great preview from Chris and Jordan!

[@JohnAudioTech]

Can't wait to see the full review of this lens.

[@HyperspeedMedia]

I'm so happy I bought a Panasonic S1, now even more excited for S1H

[@7evive]

I would be mad I didn't wait tbh

[@yarkiymir1]

@@7evive He didn't lost anything. S1H will have the same 4k 60p 10 bit as S1 with free update and Atomos recorder. Well, if you are into 10 bit, you'll buy Atomos anyway, wouldn't waste all your spare money on sdxc uhs-ii, when you can buy 2.5" ssd for a fraction of that price, would you?

[@JennyDarukat]

Now that's a true "bag of primes" zoom. Very exciting 👀

[@Songwirer]

Great review guys as always! When you make an example of focus-driven zoom effect was this done using this actual panasonic lens? Or was the Sigma 18-35 being used?

[@mannyvidsnyc]

That opening was priceless 🤣👌

[@jukeboxjohnnie]

It’s really wasn’t!

[@doublejjification]

Was really looking forward to that weather seeing test

[@leerothman7570]

ROFLMAO.........Jordan you are a GEM you crack me up and Chris you guys are truly in a league all you're own they are lucky to have you. Keep up the great work and humor

[@Noealz]

indeed they are : )

[@NathanYoungman]

Looking forward to the DMW-SFU2 firmware upgrade for the S1 and your review of it come July. I do wonder about the Canadian pricing, or if I'll need to order it from Panasonic U.S. Thanks Chris & Jordan.

[@diamondgeezertunes]

Fantastically ( if that is a word ) shot guys .. Well done

[@nightotter]

​I think they have created by-in-large the MFT system in full-frame. The GH5 becomes S1, G9 is S1R and the GH5s is the S1H. Yes, different specs but I think that was the idea.

[@AltJonny]

Night Otter so now we need the 10-25 f1.7 for full frame

[@nightotter]

@@AltJonny I think they stated that between Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma, they should have 40+ lenses available by the end of 2020. And none of them cheap. None. Although the Sigmas might be fairly inexpensive compared to the Leica and Panasonic.

[@PhilippeOrlando]

Nope, f1.7 on a MFT is not even close to let as much light enter than f 1.7 on full frame. It's closer to what a 3.5 would do on a full frame. I finally moved to Fuji and will never look back at MFT.

[@nightotter]

@Mister Man I did profit today. Glorious day. Thank you Mister Man!

[@cyberwarfare9118]

@@PhilippeOrlando Wrong, the exposure will always remain the same as the image circle is also smaller. The density of light across the sensor stays the same. The depth of field simply won't be as shallow... And you probably shouldn't be shooting at razor thin depth of field settings for serious video work anyway. You're talking about total light which is totally irrelevant for exposure.

[@TopGarageTV]

Manual focus clutch is a great feature...glad it’s on this lens.

[@photojoseph]

The scene by the lake… hysterical

[@clifftotten7609]

And now we CAN confirm that it has a GH5 styled "flip out screen". It also has pretty large cooling vents on the side too!

[@cmiller7299]

Will the S1 firmware update allow manual exposure in high frame rate/slow mo?

[@Atemoya26]

FW update is free for existing users and new users until Sept 30 in US and Europe

[@onthemove301]

Strange. I seem to recollect Tony and Clickbait claiming that M43 is dead!

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Update: M4/3 is dead

[@hankroest6836]

That 10-25/1.7 seems targeted straight at... Jordan Drake! (And I'll get one for my EM1.2 too. ;-)

[@thatjordandrake]

I asked the Panasonic engineers for this lens at at the Japanese factory two years ago. It happened...

[@hankroest6836]

I will wait a bit, actually, because Olympus has a comparable lens on its roadmap at the moment, and the P/L's aperture ring will probably not work on Olympus bodies, and I don't shoot video, and blah blah blah, the usual etc... ;-)

[@soundknight]

S1h looks amazing based on features. The weight didn't bother me when I tried out the S1R (ergonomics help).

[@genxtechguy]

Simply .. yes to this lens.

[@ProcessedDigitally]

Exciting times ahead with LUMIX!

[@markbray3038]

Micro 4/3 user very happy man. How soon and How much - a must have lens for my kit.

[@JonathanBarrow]

sounds like a really cool lens. cries as a Sony APSC shooter* If only we would get new lenses

[@user-ur2nx1hi8w]

Jonathan Barrow SIGMA 18-35 is alway your choice

[@jddiggy2343]

Recently I was like I need proof that they haven't given up on M4/3 and this will at least hold me until they release another m4/3 body but this new lens is really interesting.

[@MikeJones-in5dl]

Just bought a g85 (used) for $265 usd. Probably Due to the release of the g95. And the guy at Kenmore camera was saying that the gh5 had just been marked down. He mentioned that there must be something on the horizon....I just didn’t expect to hear about it the same day. Very cool.

[@eshackproductions]

Very interesting announcements, my last 2 recent videos uploaded was shot on an S1

[@villemononen5303]

It looks like a great lens, no doubt about it! Great for GH5, BMPCC 4K, maybe there's GH6 on the horizon for this?

[@Urkstore]

Does it hold focus when zooming in and out? The one thing that really bugged me about the sigma is that it does not.

[@Boncrek]

Really great look at this new lens guys. Question: how damped is the manual focus ring when it is pulled back? Is it really loose or damped?

[@msamiullah001]

great video folks !!!

[@bryansemnani]

Waited for this lens for a LOOONG time Excited!

[@dasaauto2024]

Exactly, since the first BMPCC came out. Haha

[@przybylskipawel]

Are there perspectives for any contibuation of this lens. Like 25-50mm f1.7? 25-65mm f1.7? 30-75mm f1.7? 25-75 f2? Something portrait oriented? Realistic or a dream?

[@renev6919]

Holy Moly. I love the fact that panasonic keeps theyr mft line :)

[@coreytomsrealtor3072]

Oh man. Panasonic is on a tear. They could really become the leader for all types of photography/video at this pace. Hey Chris, I am in Banff from June 2-June 7. Outside of the normal lake shots, is there anywhere you recommend shooting? I have my D500 and full range of gear. Wide zooms, long zooms, and primes. Love wildlife, macro, and landscape. Thanks!

[@soundknight]

What was this shot on? There was a lovely yellow and green glow to the vid but the highs were a little blown.

[@SFXFF]

Will the issue be rolling shutter? because of processing speeds

[@eirjordan337]

This is such a sexy lens....omg... and the native ability to AF properly in photos is huge..sigma 18-35 with an adapter for photos isn’t really that reliable.

[@TheJudge064]

The sigma 18-35 isn't reliable even without using it through an adapter

[@johnsexton3841]

Well, with that lens, there goes my budget. Now to convince Nauticam to actually make the semi-dome port I chatted with them about for this lens so I can use it underwater

[@jtdiddy3160]

Does there exist any sort of adapter to use a MFT lens on a full frame camera?

[@KarrGalaxyStudios]

That Panasonic S1H looks like it could be pretty amazing! Full VLOG and 14+ stops dynamic range fullframe. Only trouble is if you don't have investment in L-Mount lenses, you can't easily adapt Canon or Nikon lenses.. so it will end up being too pricey to switch over.. The GH5/GH5S has this advantage. That f1.7 10-25mm lens does look interesting though - native autofocus with the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 range and quality!

[@seantomlinson3320]

This is Christmas for Jordan but Chris is talking the whole time? Jordan needs to overthrow the Chrisarchy!

[@thatjordandrake]

I'll be back once I've spent some time with it...

[@dasaauto2024]

I knew it. He’s too busy stroking it (the lens) to pull off a camera appearance, which I get... Haha

[@candyartstv]

The focus ring still keeps turning? So still focus by wire?

[@AllThingsFilm1]

As a GH5 owner, and soon to be BMPCC4K owner, this new 10-25mm f1.7 lens is exciting news. The new S1H looks great. But, I need more details before I would consider plopping down $4K for the body and lenses.

[@voucherpcgarage222]

Will be the perfect choice for my Blackmagic Poket 4k

[@justinvid694]

So big, I'd like to see it on a GM1.

This is video related... we want Jordan! XD

[@niccollsvideo]

Jordan is dead. I'm very sorry. He will probably be back to life soon though.

[@RaymondLo84]

I think this is a video lens? All these specifications are perfect lens for such?

[@dragonstone6594]

$1.8K for the 10-25mm f/1.7 sounds reasonable. Hey, can someone please lend me $1.8K?

[@youknowwho9247]

How is almost two grand for a 20-50mm f/3.5 full frame equivalent reasonable? It's got the optical performance of a kit lens and half the zoom range.

[@EmmanuelLumapas]

@@youknowwho9247 bruh this is one of the sharpest mft lens out there even sharper than primes and it's a zoom also it's an f1.7 great for lowlight especially on the gh5s

[@youknowwho9247]

@@EmmanuelLumapas Doesn't change the fact that it does the same job as a kit lens on full frame, for three times the price.

[@EmmanuelLumapas]

Landscope 360 yeahhh but this lens is for the gh5 which is still the best video camera you can buy (specwise). No full frame can beat this setup (gh5 and 10-25 1.7) at the same price. Only Panasonic S1H can compete and thats 4000usd for the body only

[@victor8hd]

OK YOU ARE RIGHT, MFT SUCKS, GO WITH YOUR ARRI ALEXA AND FILM WHATEVER YOU WANT!...

[@jkpinpdx]

I wonder if Olympus will have an answer to this lens?🤔

[@iviaverick52]

This lens would be fantastic with the BMPCC 4K

[@retro3dprinting]

It is even fantastic with BMMCC

[@glennsak]

Giving some love to m4/3 users!

[@voucherpcgarage222]

It maintain focus while zooming?

[@dragonstone6594]

Do you know if this lens is parfocal or not?

[@peppercorn8451]

Thought it would be be some gargantuan lens but seeing Chris handle it I'm really excited for this lens

[@niccollsvideo]

It is surprisingly light and manageable.

[@dasaauto2024]

Yeah. Ttly. If his little hands can wrap around it that tight I think we’re gonna be good!

[@GabeCuello]

Any updates for the G9 or comparisons of the G9 and S1? I have the G9 and want this lens soooo bad. It will make traveling so much easier with not switching out lenses.

[@thatsreallyamoon]

Did you make the choice? I would also like this for my G9 but I really don't have much reason to actually get it; just a student who can buy it if he wants lol.

[@VariTimo]

The 10-25mm f1.7 was announced in Photokina last year. So I don’t know what the secrecy is about.

[@danieldougan269]

That there was a usable pre-production copy out in the wild instead of just under glass. We knew it was coming, but we didn't know when.

[@Cagey7531]

It was just announced, and only a dummy model of it was at PK, this is the first showing of it in action, it's not rocket science

[@dasaauto2024]

I know. lol This was shot today I believe, so what’s the worst that could’ve happened? Someone gets a good photo of the lens and uploads it to the internet? ...And the leaked photo exposes the, uh, lens they just showed us in this video? (And at Photokina?)

[@Cagey7531]

@@dasaauto2024 pretty sure they were just trying to be humorous, why would wildlife photographers even care about a WA

[@CoalitionGaming]

Crazy that its gonna take a $2000 lens to make you guys move away from the speedbooster+Sigma 18-35. Makes me feel real good about my Viltrox EF-M2 speedbooster ($120) and Sigma 18-35 i got on sale for $555 lol. Although lacking IS kind of sucks when its gonna be so expensive. Dual IS support with that would have been fantastic.

[@TheJudge064]

That's an amazing deal for the sigma. Where I live it's usually sold at $800 second hand.

[@DynamicLearning4u]

Is this shot on 10-25mm F1.7?

[@bj0ernaa]

Damn.. Ive gone down the road of GH5 and native lenses (panasonic 12-35, 25 f1,4, 8-18 2.8-4 and a 45-175) Getting nervous that Ive messed up when I want to gain more control when filming, using manual focus. The other focus by wire lenses are a MESS to replicate focus point A-B etc. There is speed ramping involved and its a guessing game.. Can this lens deliver? ;)

[@wilsonkff]

This is really a huge lens for m43...

[@kerebronemtadrata5459]

Submersible version will be released in yellow. Available in Pepperland only.

[@truliapro7112]

Can i use this with my panasonic G85 camera ?

[@HeyHerdy]

You know what the other great thing about the Sigma 18-35 is? It's affordable

[@nightleaper]

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[@davidsyw1]

I actually would prefer the focal length range 18-35mm since I already have the PL 12mm, PL 15mm, PL 42.5mm and 35-100mm zoom. However, the Sigma lens is big and heavy compared to my existing lenses - and it's not 18-35mm after being adapted to MFT.

[@dansshade5621]

Nice lens, but what about price?

[@MarcHillM]

I'm not convinced you gain a full stop with a speed booster. I tried a Voigtlander 58mm f1.4 with a straight adapter and then a speedbooster and reckon I only gained about a third of a stop at best.

[@dasaauto2024]

Well, if it wasn’t a Metabones, who knows what you got-but, an (overpriced) Metabones SB will definitely get you a full stop of light along with the mathematically corresponding increase in FoV.

[@MarcHillM]

@@dasaauto2024 Are there any comparisons between SB and a standard adapter. Its there in theory but actual practice will be different, especially as most measurements are in f stops not t stops

[@nore8141]

Great commentary

[@monhuntui1162]

How long have companies been charging for firmware updates? I've honestly never heard of firmware updates for any electronics referred to as an upgrade or something you pay for.

[@dasaauto2024]

Ask Arri... In the pro video world it’s been a long, long time.

[@DrShaym]

So the manual focus clutch has hard stops, but the ring keeps turning, which would make it really fucked up to use with a follow focus, thus defeating the purpose.

[@TheJudge064]

I wonder if a proper UWA lens is possible on MFT. Being a landscape shooter some of these small bodies are really appealing.

[@wesleyverbruggen]

How wide would you expect to shoot? There are already quite some wide options available (although primes are lacking a bit). You may want to look at the Panasonic Leica 8-18 (16-36 when compared to FF) F2.8-4.0. Feel free to message me if you need some information.

[@TheJudge064]

@@wesleyverbruggen well, I'd consider 18mm to just be the start of the UWA focal length so 16 really isn't that impressive. I currently use the irix 11mm lens but I highly doubt there a m43 equivalent of something similarly wide: the widest I could find was 8mm. Besides Leica part of that lens' name causes me to doubt if I can even afford it. :)

[@lyndonlabayan]

YOU GUYS HAVE ONE OMG

[@laurentiudll]

@DPReview what color profile are you shooting on the GH5 ? I love the green tones you got @3:00

[@soundknight]

Can't wait for the 25-100 f1.7 next. And then the 100-400 f1.7 mkii.

[@overnightdelivery]

There are rumors that Panasonic is developing the 100-400 f1.7. It comes with a mount to attach to your half-ton pickup. Amazon prime members will not be allowed free shipping though.. and it weighs 67 Pounds.

[@user-ur2nx1hi8w]

10-25 is 2.5X. 25-60 is more reasonable

[@weizenobstmusli8232]

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtst%C3%A4rke_(Fotografie) That 100mm requires a opening pupil of ca 60mm, the 400mm of 235mm

[@makharacinesy]

When can we buy this lens ?

end of july

[@uhu4677]

I wish, they'd bring a 10-25mm 2 or 2.8, which would be lighter and especially cheaper. I really like the focal length.

[@wildbikerbill6530]

If it was F2.8, there would be no point given there is already a Panasonic 12-35mm / F2.8 lens...for about $800 USD.

[@MarcosCodas]

You can get a 12-35 2.8 or Oly 12-40 2.8 for $550 or so used. There's no point in bringing to market a product so closely resembling these classic zooms.

[@uhu4677]

@@wildbikerbill6530 Ja, but I like, that it can be a bit wider. 12mm always seems like barely not-enough. (That said ... it might be the same with 10mm in the end. xD)

[@wildbikerbill6530]

@@uhu4677 Then go for the Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 8mm f/1.8

[@dasaauto2024]

I agree actually. A 10mm is significantly wider that 12mm. Just imagine a 20mm lens on FF vs. a 24mm lens... This is a really unique range. A smaller lighter f/2.8 option would be very cool. (And next time with IS.)

[@Auteur_Vision]

is it parfocal?

[@RepublicAllegiance]

...And let the Wealthy Vlogger reviews commence! #G.A.S.

[@LEXPIX]

Best MFT lens to date IMHO.

[@onlyonecannoli3952]

I was in Canadia once. In Montreal to be exact. I couldn't get a clear answer from the Frenchies. Is it "how's it going ay" or "how's it going ey"? Btw, what do you think of Elsinore beer you hosers?

[@mufathur4]

I want this rather than the sigma 18-35

[@thidnascimento]

GH7 and 5 years later, here I'm looking for M43 lenses...

[@rodrigo4379]

panasonic is making the sony a7 line with their cameras.

[@zerblatt3365]

They did that already with the GH5, GH5s and G9

[@FILMANDGAMES]

The lens is very big. But a dream with 10 - 25 with 1.7 and a good lena for filming. But the price :/

[@Mrocznykefir1992]

3:00 he look like on a green screen (I know he is not but it look funny)

[@EmoEmu]

20-50 seems like a focal range that could be an awesome walk-around lens for most people. It also gathers a lot more light than a full frame 24-70/2.8, which should be helpful for the tiny M43 sensor in low light situations. Very nice.

[@JonJakubcin]

I’m in love! Native autofocus!!!!

[@ronstar7027]

So, it's a 20-50mm full frame equivalent?

[@Ildskalli]

Yes.

[@dasaauto2024]

Well, cinematographers consider full frame to be S35, so it could also be thought of as 13-33mm. (Same difference and just as cool...)

[@bimer3]

whats the best lence m4/3 to use,on stars/astro milky way????..no videos on this topic....im using omd-e m1

[@HeyHerdy]

I've used the sigma 18-35 a fair bit, with metabones speedbooster of course. It's great! But I got a A7s for my astro photography. I would also check out the offerings from samyang/rokinon as well

[@bimer3]

@@HeyHerdy thank you=)! never heard of metabones speedbooster, is it worth it? its expensive i see, doesnt a adapter steal focus-points, if the lence is f2.8 ,will it still be 2,8 with adater?,and on a m4/3... hmm

[@HeyHerdy]

@@bimer3 If you're shoot astro with M43, its absolutely worth it. As much as i like M43, its not the best for astro photos. With that said I've got very nice results. A speedbooster gives a stop to a stop and a third of light for your m43 camera. A regular adapter will likely be manual focus only. When you look up adapters see if they comunicate with the camera.

[@bimer3]

@@HeyHerdy i know m4/3 isint the best to use on astro:/ but, its what i got:P.. but a good lence,with low f, and a little work in ps , then maybe =) wanna get ready for the winter,and the northern lights=) thank you 4 all ur input! gonna check all of it=)=)

[@mysticsailor9]

Very glad to see Panasonic finally add a MF clutch ring..