DPReview TV: 10 cool things you may have missed about the Panasonic S1 and S1R Series

By now you've seen plenty of information about Panasonic's new S-series cameras, but after shooting with them at Panasonic's launch event in Barcelona, Chris and Jordan tell us about some important things you might have overlooked from the spec sheet.
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[@3BMEP]

Guys, GREAT addition to the first batch of videos. Well done! I ran out of gas before I could cover this. So glad you did. Really shows Panasonic’s emphasis on what practitioners really want/need.

[@matthewwells1606]

Really? To me it shows that the direction of "photography" is toward "camera operators" who use AI to do everything for them. $10 says I can take pictures equal to any "working professional" with this thing. I find that the more they come out with these kinds of overpriced, feature heavy digital point-and-shoot cameras, the more film I shoot. [End of cranky rant.]

[@3BMEP]

Matthew Wells AI can’t show up at the right place at the right time. AI can’t make a shy person open up and beam in front of your camera. AI can’t experience the joy that comes from that kind of interaction and learning. But that’s just my $0.02. :)

[@matthewwells1606]

@@3BMEP That's what the "camera operator" is there for, to take R2D2 back and forth from the shoot and work with the humans.

[@1fareast14]

" what practitioners really want/need" -Good codecs (missing) -full sensor 4k60 (missing) -vlog (locked behind paywall) -unlimited record (missing in the most important mode, for seemingly no reason) -waveform (missing) -flip-forward screen (missing) -PDAF for video (missing) -built in electronic ND, or even just a wheel of filters (missing) -raw out I'm not asking for anything revolutionary, just parity with the XT-3, and something better than the BMPCC4k, Z6, Gh5s, fs5, ls300. If it weren't for BS segmentation we'd have a few feature-complete cameras to choose from. The EVF, XLR option, and a few lenses with MF clutch are nice, I guess.

[@michischwarz]

There will be an Sigma EF to L adapter. So there are tons of lenses for this body.

[@Cutieplus]

Sony A-mount camera used to have hand-shakiness indicator in the viewfinder as well.

[@socas_nic]

Wow. What a release! Nice review!!! You covered all of the features! Unlike other channels here on KZbin...

[@andgainingspeed]

Barcelona is a lovely city to have as a backdrop for your camera testing! Looking forward to the coming content.👍

[@StewartMarsden]

Id like to see a dedicated video review of each model.. comparison pros and cons against each.. #jordanporn

[@TheFaustianMan]

I would like to see a cage match too - just a complete fucking camera blood sport. The DP Review Camera death match! where each reviewer from Camera Store and double Penetrate Review take up their relative cameras and have a just a complete animalisitc pit fight. Only allowed to use the Camera and their choice of two lenses a prime, and a zoom. Then they have to beat the relative shit out of eachother, and fight to the death only using thier cunning and camera/lens. The last man(or woman) standing is proclammed the winner along with their camera stystem. The last functioning camera also get's a special runner up, DP silver if you will. Just a complete fucking Camera blood sport. The finally, we would have one, and only one camera system that could justify that price.

[@kurpfaelzer1114]

WOW, you are fast! and a very good idea to make a first analysis here on youtube, especially because you have had the chance to use the camera. Now we are all waiting on your first review !

[@98JamesNixon]

Just seen the lens prices! Holy balls, I thought Sony was expensive!

[@P4Paul]

I think Leica play some roll on the lens prices. hopes Sigma may bring some sense back to this mount system.

[@TheFaustianMan]

You know how people drive Ferrari's and other people are like, "They don't even have air conditioning! at that Price!" Well that's what Panasonic is going for. They don't even focus for that price. XD

[@Metalfreakz17]

@@TheFaustianMan lol so true😂

[@JonPais]

excellent introduction guys.

[@marcotschilar1531]

I like your channel, nice first impressions

[@Raychristofer]

Real fired up dudes you're the pretty much the channel I trust for camera reviews and its good to have two points of view. I'm shooting the g7 and was tempted to jump to Sony but I will wait to see what this cam is capable and its cost.

[@thebadmanreturns]

Groundbreaking.... amazing camera !!

[@tedp9945]

Can't believe you missed the 24-105 having a insane 1:2 maximum reproduction ratio. And it's only $900 with the body

[@HybridlifeOrg]

Very good tips guys 😉

[@OskarHelgason]

Love the matching pants boys!

[@MichaelSeneschal]

Very excited about this Panasonic and the Panasonic/Sigma/Leica alliance. Love the dual UPS brown pants too. Shazam!

[@Nestorre93]

I've been waiting so long for this. I saw some strange stuff happening during the face detection autofocus.. Looking forward to see what is capable of and what you think about it

[@Dani.R.R]

I hope you enjoyed my home city while reviewing these cameras!!

[@niccollsvideo]

It was incredible as a street photography city. So much to see and experience. Its definitely a town that feels alive when you walk through it. Even in winter!

[@unacomn]

The features on these cameras sound great. I really want to see where they go from here with the second generation of the full frame mirrorless in two or three years. Currently I'm using a Panasonic FZ2000, at the recommendation of you folks, since you were on TCS. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade, but it's nice to know I've got where to go in the future.

[@scb2scb2]

haha can't wait for gordon laing to show the 'shake dot' feature i bet it will go crazy even before his coffee.

[@eguitarstar]

Wait, why is no one criticizing the AF? I am not asking this as a troll, but contrast AF has been the achilles heel for Panasonic on their M43 cameras, and they've been dragged through the dirt on it. Has contrast AF alongside computational algorithms finally come together to form a AF system that rivals PDAF?

[@niccollsvideo]

I feel like the af has some improvements however because it is pre-production firmware we cant say anything definitive. As soon as we get full version we will test it!

[@fto5935]

Note that mirrorless(on the imaging sensor) phase detection negatively affects image quality. So it makes sense to abandon it on such a camera.

[@idontwantacallsign]

@@fto5935 No not really.

[@fto5935]

@@idontwantacallsign It can cause striping/banding...

[@TheDarkhorse228]

Its nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. The STILLS AF on the GH5 and G9 are amazing at everything except super high speed tracking. If you need a camera to do that, there are better cameras.

[@DennisKapatos]

@7:06 Yeah that's about what we expected. Eye AF works ok, not great, but what's worse is the contrast AF back and forth hunting which is really noticeable in the bokeh circles in the background. These cameras have some awesome features that would be nice to have in other cameras though - especially the manual focus options and features. Good job (mostly) Panasonic.

[@Petalpusher28]

Duck recognition mode worked so great for Chris...

[@rmzidane2010]

Thanks Chris and Jordan. I really wanted to know whether there is much rolling shutter in video mode? thanks a lot.

[@juliancroot]

You just clarified something I wanted to know.... there's no waveform monitor on these. I therefore think a speedboosted GH5 is a better option for video shooters. Panasonic dropped the waveform from the G9, and since they're saying the s1 and s1r are primarily stills cameras I suspect it won't be coming back in a firmware update on these.... just like it never appeared on the G9. P.S. I wonder if Panasonic will be generous enough to give us that linear focus option with fly-by-wire lenses on the GH series. Great video as always. Thanks guys.

[@jackssketchbook]

I"m really hoping for Linear focus options in a firmware update in the MFT world too!

[@fto5935]

*focus by wire...it's not an airplane.

[@andretim75]

Not sure whether the "normal" Hibiki Harmony or even Hibiki Harmony Master`s Select would have been worth a "shot" - but if it were the Hibiki 17 or even better 21 or 24 years old, then - well - then "Yes" - DEFINITELY YES !! Great stuff as always - even after 4 years - haha!

[@biscuitsalive]

That shake detection display thing may actually be a useful tool when you are tweaking gimbal settings too. It shows up micro shakes much better and quicker than reviewing footage.

[@LucasHJX]

the autofocus is still pumping background at 7:06

[@niccollsvideo]

Yah it's still gonna be classic Panasonic vibrating afc. To its credit it works pretty well but the experience is always a little nerve wracking when you see your evf shimmering the whole time in afc.

[@JamesMatthewGallagher]

Thanks for pointing that out. This is the one and only reason I haven't switched to Panasonic. I was eager to get the GH5 (and then even more excited about the release of the GH5S), but video after video after video shows that blatant background focus pulsing, even after multiple firmware updates.

[@LucasHJX]

James Matthew Gallagher I shoot GH5 and GH5s too. If they have decent autofocus then they are almost perfect except you want more DOF...

[@LucasHJX]

@@niccollsvideo does the autofocus work in super slow motion? thanks

[@kadajawi6567]

Oh my god! Feature 1 is one that I have been asking for in cameras for a while now. Exactly for that reason. If you know where you are shaking to, you can correct it. It's much easier to hold a video relatively stable than a photo, because you get instant feedback. Holding long exposures for several seconds should be possible now, as you can compensate for drift!

[@2handsomeforlaw]

Cool, matching pants!! And please explain what the High Resolution Shooting Mode is about!

[@MrPhilbautista]

That first feature you talked about will mean a lot more drinks for Jordan at year's end... and he asked for it.

[@DailyDosageofZach]

These are the cameras that nikon and canon should've come out with. It looks like it's got everything a photographer/videographer could ask for. A tad slow for the fps af-c shooting and hopefully the autofocus pans out well. But it looks like a great camera so far and I'm excited to see the reviews on it

[@angelisone]

ATG made a great suggestion. Buy the S1r and use your Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Mamiya & Bronica manual lenses.

[@williampichardo1485]

Boi, if i had the money i wouldn't hesitate, this seems to be the ideal camera that would just "disappear" in my hands.

[@TaraTanaka]

Excellent info! I can’t wait to see what the S1R will produce with my old Nikon f2.8 primes. In watching the demo of the camera shake indicator, it looks like you have to hold down the button to use it - is that correct? I shoot with long lenses from a tripod, and having to keep the button pushed in would introduce shake and keep me from being able to measure what kind of shake is coming from the wind - it would be nice to have a more objective measure of what a mic or a lens hood is adding. No vector scope?? I hope that comes with a firmware update. Are the cards hot swappable? Thanks again for a no-nonsense, information-packed video!

[@RolandAyala]

Regarding @9:45. Pixel shift only benefits very limited scenarios involving static subjects and tripod. Agree that 24MP is more than enough for most people, but it's misleading to suggest you can get the less expensive S1 and still have the extra resolution when you need it via pixel shift feature.

[@theuktoday4233]

OMG that bloody 'keep the green ball in the circle' game would drive me nuts. maybe every time it left the circle it gave you an electric shock would be fun, they could have world championships for that!

[@santosovideo]

Thumbs up for matching pants!

[@troyphillips1077]

Awesome review or should I say teaser review. I’m so wanting one of these cameras the S1 actually. Butt just got the d850 from Nikon last fall. It’s a nice camera but I’m needing the video performance of this S1 camera. I needed an extra video camera for shows I shoot and grabbed the d850 . I also shoot stills . This brings in a touch more $$ at the moment. If this was available in September I know now where I’d have gone. This is the Cameras I thought Nikon was going to release. Sad Nikon user

[@CrotZari]

I look very much forward to your reviews. Also I wonder about two things that are important to me: 1 How is the viewfinder? 2 How is the AF? Is it contrast based only? Also, I like the idea of you guys taking time to highlight some unusual features. It tells me you like these cameras. Cheers!

[@idontwantacallsign]

The AF is only contrast unlike Sony and Nikons OSPDAF and Canons sensor based dual pixel.

[@idontwantacallsign]

Thank you for the video. But that menu is confusing 😱😱

[@ChristopherIan]

Didnt mention the 4k 60p crop to 1.5 APSC though yeah? amazing.

[@CliffordDuneebon]

These guys love panasonic.

[@justinjanness530]

Would love to see a low light comparison to the Sony cameras

[@Elgsdyr]

The Minolta Dynax/Maxxum 7D and 5D (the very first system cameras with IBIS) also had a shake indicator in the viewfinder, which was useful for checking how steady you were holding the camera. In comparison it was a linear five step scale (to the right in the optical viewfinder), so obviously Panasonics solution is quite a bit more useful and precise. The general idea is still great so I'm surprised we haven't seen it more.

[@Cutieplus]

Yes, Sony A-mount camera used to have that shake indicator as well.

[@Elgsdyr]

@@Cutieplus Ah, ok. Never owned a Sony DSLR/SLT so I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

[@inmouchar]

The one major feature both cameras seem to be missing (based on Gordon Laing's description) is PDAF. I know it might not be major for some, depending on the kind of photography you do, but for sports, bird, and wildlife photography, it will have trouble competing with other brands.

[@grimx5772]

What bugs me is panasonic said this camera could do 4k full frame at 60, but now it has a super 35 crop at 60 frames for 4K. The auto focus still isn't better, the saving grace for the GH5 was the flip out screen, but the geniuses in Panasonic boardroom thought it was a great idea to remove it to make it look "pro." I will skip this camera until they learned a lesson from disappointing sale numbers.

[@giovannefiore8252]

This vlog is old we are up to version 2.0 with the firmware on S cameras please do an update vlog

[@Noojtxeeg]

God bless the focus clutch. At least I now know that someone else other than Olympus is making them.

[@nuriacastilla2499]

If you want to buy one FF, wait to panasonic S1 or go to sony A7III?

[@P4Paul]

Okay, now I can settle down and wait for my BMPCC4K. thanks a lot Panasonic.

[@pranamsk]

Should I wait for lumix S1 or get Sony A7iii? I'm hybrid shooter btw

[@marqriley9460]

Do you need to turn the mode dial to switch from stills to movie, or can you just press the movie record button in any mode?

[@johnjon1823]

can you get medium and small raw ??? what aspect ratios are offered??

[@HyperspeedMedia]

How is the IBIS??? any good? and the AF-c on video?

[@thebadmanreturns]

Sitha Puth Of course, IBIS combined with Lens IS, probably the best in FF World (Pure speculation)

[@zinekaizerzen-pokemonunite1390]

The ibis is 5.6 stops without lens IS, & 6 with lens stabilization

[@WayneKnight_Rider]

wicked Chris Rock impression at 0:32

[@JohnRobertsTV]

I'm curious about 3rd party lenses for this mount? This was supposed to be one of its selling points.

[@Ashleyapples]

a camera with pack of features and huge size sounds good

[@gravitymediapro]

What do you guys think, for video - is this a “must have” upgrade from GH5?

[@SuperDarkstar1]

Hi guys, any word on low light performance by any chance? Thanks

[@qanononabong8491]

At the price they are asking for this, I see myself missing all of these cool things.

[@arttiz01]

Thanks for your great videos! One question: I like Panasonic cameras for video. I own the G85 and G9. I am considering buying the GH5, but also stop and think about the S1. The price had dropped! But recently saw that used S1R's prices are close to the S1's. What would be your recommendations? I would use it mostly for video, but the 40 plus megapixels for photos won't hurt! It attracted me the idea of having a 47 megapixels camera with all the video capabilities of the S1. Is unlimited time recording the only difference? Thanks again!

[@regalraccoon]

I'd really like a comparison between the S1 and Nikon Z6: which one has the best value for money

[@DSP1337]

Would you mind commenting on the loudness of the shutter compared to a DSLR?

[@niccollsvideo]

You do hear it and feel it. But it has a very DSLR feeling to it, which is wierd because there isn't any mirror slapping up and down. I would say that it's very quiet though, probably due to the heavy sealed body.

[@raredreamfootage]

The manual focus clutch seems to lack hard stops?

[@JamesJohnsonthe4th]

Completely forgot about the fact that Leica’s crop lenses should work on this til this video! I would love love love a Panasonic take on the Leica CL if they decide to compliment these bodies with an APS-C one.

[@toxictabasco]

Will it be a review of all the different AF ability or just AF tracking ability? And how good will the IBIS compare to the best IBIS on the market?

[@JaJaHead]

Will it still support wireless flash with existing Lumix flashes?

[@pauloancarvalho]

Does the S1 have crop mode to use the Sigma 18-35?

[@alsokooniiee4797]

Hows the lowlight?

[@Bryan-lu4du]

How does it work with Leica’s L mount lenses? Does the AF tracking work just as well and the in body IS?

[@daDockta]

great take on the news!! watching this on a MacBook Pro Retina screen and the video appears out of focus and rather soft.

[@nicolasch2]

Does the new changes in menu system will come to other panasonic cameras like g9 through a firmware update?

[@tebitan3780]

What about the Eye / Face AF in stills especially? On the G9 I lost Eye AF if subject was more than about 2 meters away. Is it still the same?

[@radiozelaza]

why do you conflate line-skipping with pixel-binning?

[@fellowcitizen]

Super in love with the L Mount Alliance, and looking forward to these, as well as the Sigma Foveon for stills. Some questions: + Joystick - does it have diagonal motion? + Flash - can we use our Micro4/3 flashes? (Please test GodOx +/- Cactus) + Flash - I thought I'd heard that there was an especially high natural synch speed; any info? + HDMI - can S1+/-S1R output 4k60 @ full-frame or only super-35? (& pixel-point?) + Lens - what does "Certified by Leica" mean in practice? + MBPS - does the X-T3 really have higher mbps for 4K or am I missing something? + Grip - will the battery grip include a battery? (Really hoping that Sigma use a matching battery for their Tiger Foveon - whether it's this new one, or the G9/GH5 version they use in the sdQ). + XQD - will XQD (as is, or with the CFXpress firmware upgrade) afford better codecs? + AF - is there still a Lumix "Flexible" AF mode, AFF? + Trivia - who is W.B. ISO?

[@TheFaustianMan]

Gooood questions.

[@1fareast14]

diagonal joystick works, see gordon laing's video

[@fellowcitizen]

@@1fareast14 Trust Gordon to notice the significance of this. Thanks!

[@idontwantacallsign]

@@1fareast14 diagonal is great. Love it in the Sony a7/a9 cameras.

[@TL-vt8uk]

These cameras have a Leica SL look to them.....curious how much of the SL's design is found in these cameras.

[@MrMilanina]

So no VLog for S1R? :( It would have paired well with the crop modes for video well.

[@killazx9]

Any samples of this camera with the Leica SL lenses?

[@kentmemories]

Seems to be best FF MLR out there

[@TheFaustianMan]

for the next 3 months at least.

[@michaels8597]

I dont like having to pay for something that already exists,nor have anything left out..I;m going t have a look though nd see if it works,depending on price vs performance..

[@simontrezise8495]

I'm liking the look of these new Panasonics. Have they nailed it?

[@logtothebase2]

For a while, I thought they would have a competent camera but not good enough to be compelling, but seems like hinted at here with few weaknesses, some nice features and handling Panasonic have done just enough to be compelling.

[@LetusTellYourStory]

How about autofocus? Is it better than gh5s and worse or better than a7iii

[@letsrollout7307]

Between the sony A7iii And the S1 which is best fir low light fast action car shots at night. Video only. I'm stuck on these two. All my cameras are panasonic and i LOVE them but can't make a final decision. Sony is cheaper too. How's sony stabalization compared to S1

[@enialis90]

I'd like to know how is the autofocus working without phase detection (moving object, sport, low light...)

[@Cutieplus]

It is Panasonic. Their AF-C for moving subject always suck.

[@wildbikerbill6530]

Do the S1/S1R work with Panasonic's phone/tablet remote control Wifi App?

[@luizalbertochristiani3950]

As Panasonic is a Leica partner, does the news Leica flashes work on Panasonic Lumix SR?

[@MichaelGerrard]

These cameras look impressive. But what about that twisty screen? That is the only odd thing I have seen so far. How is it to use that?

[@Jasongreen357]

All I really want to know is, Did Panasonic finally get a working continuous af for video?

[@TannerGwaltney]

I hope that linear focusing comes in a firmware update to the GH5!

[@thatjordandrake]

Me too!

[@AmirHamzah_MAHBAR]

Does this mean m4/3 is dead or suitable become backup small camera ?

[@LucasWildTheeWildBoy]

@DPReview Does the 50mm f1.4 have I.S. build it?

[@dankwilde]

If it has good video AF, I might be sold 😏

[@genjii931]

Are you sure it's VLog-L? Andrew Reid said it might be the full VLog (non-L). Thanks!

[@momchilyordanov8190]

The 11th most impressive thing as the absolute lack of lenses for these cameras. Works for both stills and video.

[@althds7099]

Why is there a ringing sound near the end?

[@RyoHazuki224]

Wow, Panasonic really hit it out of the park with this one! It seems they took everything people love about their Lumix cameras, put it in Full Frame, then tossed in all kinds of amazing features like the autofocus abilities, super high-res EVF, super-resolution mode, a really good bottom grip add-on, tilty-screen, etc etc. Both cameras are amazing and its making me consider jumping from Sony... Uh-oh!!

[@idontwantacallsign]

I think the AF is worse than Sony? But let's see.

[@RamiH]

How hard is it to fix your White Balance in Post for this video?

[@uglyigor3055]

Panasonic entered the FF market with a big hit to all the other manufacturers I guess...as expected. Their M43 are superior in ergonomics / handling and technical features. Just the image quality was holding them back. When the sensor is delivering on the quality level of Sony I think we got a clear winner for the FF market.

[@idontwantacallsign]

Let's see some real world reviews and usage before making any conclusions.

[@johnwayne812]

I like your pants guys! :)