Dr Jade McGlynn - The Kremlin sees Historical Memory as Potent, Malleable, Controllable & Dangerous.

GUEST: Dr Jade McGlynn - Russia specialist, researcher and author.
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INTRO:
In just a few years, Russia has moved from a narrative about ‘brotherly peoples’, to genocidal rhetoric and actions in Ukraine. How was historical memory manipulated to make this happen?
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SPEAKER:
Dr Jade McGlynn is a Russia specialist and experienced researcher. She is Senior Research Associate (Non-Resident) at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies. She is also a Research Fellow at the Department of War Studies at King’s College London. Jade is a Polyglot political analyst with experience of living and working in several European countries. She has a PhD in Russian from the University of Oxford, with academic fellowships from Leverhulme, AHRC, Marie Curie, and Carnegie and has held positions in Russia, the UK, and US. She is the author of scholarly works as well as media articles and has a new book coming out in March 2023 - Russia’s War and Memory Makers.
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BOOKS:
Memory Makers: The Politics of the Past in Putin's Russia (2023)
Russia's War (2023)
Rethinking Period Boundaries:
New Approaches to Continuity and Discontinuity in Modern European History and Culture (2022)
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
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[@Evolsieh]

Thank you for this guest! “ Ukraine cannot be sacrificed just because Russia has identity problem”😮👍 ❤great discussion!

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍

[@buddyrojek9417]

They need a reality check. It’s akin to the British losing their India or Australia or Canada or South Africa or Caribbean jewels. Russia has to get over imperialism. It’s really gangsterism and they should be ashamed of it

[@ennediend2865]

And because Russia is more than half empty...

[@larsrons7937]

I very much agree. And this quote has burnt into my memory already.

[@larsrons7937]

@@robertatkins9419 How's the weather in St. Petersburg?

[@gerryhouska2859]

Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.

[@BlueHawkPictures17]

the desert is very dry, what is very dry is lacking in moisture

[@user-xz6qk9wf9j]

George Orwell is well quoted

[@MadHeadzOz]

The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. Control is an illusion. A slight of hand magic trick that the idote masses suck up. Hook, line and sinker. Suckers.

[@halporter9]

This woman is magnificent in so many ways. Glorifying inappropriately the defenders of the Patriotic War does these people no favors. The realism of their courage is bleached away by lies and half truths, at best.

[@CollectiveDefence]

Many of them were rapists, murderers, thieves and torturers, who were enablers of the attacks on, and occupation of big sways of Europe. In the first phases of Operation Barbarossa, many soldiers of the Red Army were fleeing their posts and deserting en masse. It was actually so bad that the Soviet government had to re-introduce the now infamous ”not-one-step-back-order”. Quoting a Red Army soldier ; ”it was better to attack and have a chance at survival and even some medals, rather than being killed by your own and getting nonthing”. While there certainly were courageous individuals, and i don’t deny that, their courage was not something unique in the course of war, or any other war for that matter. It should not be by any means fetishized or monopolised in their name. The Wehrmacht, or the Waffen SS for that matter, showed immense courage during the course of World War Two. But you don’t see them being complimented for that, because of the atrocities commited by these formations, and the conduct of the regime they served in general. The same have to be applied in the Soviet case. Courage should not be used as an excuse to counterbalance the fact that many Soviet people were servants and willing enablers of the murderous bolshevik regime. This counterbalance, even if there’s often not a malign intent behind it, is dangerous, unhealthy and risks being apolegetic.

[@18_rabbit]

u need clarify what you mean, ie who the heck are the 'defenders OF the patriotic war"? wtaf? clarify or u end causing ppl to likely wrongly asume u might be defending the russiye yourself even tho i assume u r doing oppo!

[@asynchronicity]

@@18_rabbit 🤦‍♂️

[@halporter9]

@@18_rabbit Sorry if was unclear. Putin and his flaks increasingly have been glorifying the achievements of World War I I veterans (Great Patriotic War) to the point that historical dialog has the veracity of a Soviet war movie. My point was that this does a disservice to the veterans as well as the truth. The were courageous for the most part, but in a very human way.

[@VajrahahaShunyata]

They were foddered and used as meat against the German forces. Same method... Different day. Russia has always been this way.

[@kennethbaird968]

There is a saying in Russia, we know our future. It’s only our past we are unsure of

[@asynchronicity]

Pithy.

[@SiliconCurtain]

😂 it heard that one - but it’s very good!

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Yogi Berra - 'It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.'

[@user-xz6qk9wf9j]

Russians miss quoting George Orwell. Really funny

[@ivangoncharov2563]

There’s no such saying in Russia. You’ve just made that up.

[@TotalRookie_LV]

Kremlin is treating history like a video game - like they can load an old save and "replay WWII, but win the right way this time". Same with war in Ukraine (or Gergia, or Moldova, or hostile rhetoric towards Baltics) - it's like Russia attempting to cosplay WWII and gets angry, when the other side does not agree to be Nazis. Basically Kremlin acts like a small kid, who always wants to be a boss in every game, bullying others on a playground, and... well reasoning and logic doesn't really work with such an angry toddler.

[@0013dancer]

great analogy!

[@TotalRookie_LV]

@@0013dancer Thanks, but it's not completely mine. The core idea belongs to Yekaterina Schulmann (Екатерина Шульман), I just added some embellishments. She and I are of almost the same age and similar views, we both grew up in USSR until our teenage years (reading "1984" while still under Soviet rule was... interesting experience), but I am not Russian and, unlike Russia, my country managed to become a democracy. Besides she is well educated and has read a lot, I can't bragg about either of those.

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Of course!

[@Tommykey07]

More like Russia is a big kid who is a bully, but he is also very dumb.

[@nadiasawicki4108]

Angry toddler is not a term I would use to describe these tyrants. Angry toddlers don't rape and kill innocent children and adults.

[@asynchronicity]

Would love to hear Dr McGlynn’s thoughts on the Kremlin created term “Russophobia.”

[@SiliconCurtain]

That was one of my questions too! We just ran out of time. In fact I had dozens of questions left for the next conversation!

[@asynchronicity]

@@SiliconCurtain Next time then!

[@buddyrojek9417]

Same as racism. It was designed to subjugate free people and mix them up into cosmopolitan capital cities that are the pinnacle of a voracious empire

[@larsrons7937]

@@asynchronicity I hope there will be a next time, next year perhaps? I remember when Jade McGlynn was invited late last winter. I had to listen to that conversation twice and bookmarked it for a later review.

[@danielkoschalka3955]

Do you think there’s no such thing as broad, irrationally unspecific anti-Russian (and anti-Belarusian) feeling at the moment? Criticism and even hatred of the Russian government, the Russian army and other Russian leaders is rational, but there’s a lot of negativity aimed at ordinary Russian people, who have no more control over what’s happening in Ukraine than any of us do. It may well be something that the Kremlin is happy to fan the flames of to support its cause, and it is certainly the case that somebody being given a rough time online because of their Russian nationality is far better off than somebody in Ukraine who has lost their home and or family as a result of Russian aggression, but it’s still the case that it’s open season on ordinary Russians, at least amongst online commenters. An offline example would be the booing that Azarenka received at Wimbledon this year, for the heinous crime of being Belarusian.

[@larsrons7937]

Good choise to invite Dr. Jade McGlynn back on the channel. What an pleasant interview to watch, or rather, conversation. Jade McGlynn is both very insightfull, clear sighted, and also very humble, which gives her much credibility. She is on of the persons I feel I can best lean on when trying to understand russia. _"Ukraine can't be sacrificed because russia has an identity problem."_ This must be quote of the month. From Denmark, the best to both of you. 🔱🌻Slava Ukraini! Be safe!💙💛

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍 💛💙

[@German-hv9nv]

Item of evidence for those who wants to understand Russia (Google can help you check on) “Matlock (U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union 1987-1991, negotiator) thought that Russian invasion of Ukraine in February, 2022 could have been avoided if the United States had not advocated for the admission of Ukraine into NATO. He (Matlock) sees the current policy as an abandonment of a commitment not to expand NATO, which he says was made to Gorbachev.” Matlock is a bit more insightfull. As one of the most credible eyewitnesses and negotiator he tells the truth about Russia's good will that allowed NATO to land on East European former Warsaw Pact countries and, what is more insolent, the territories of the former USSR (Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia). Just to “promote democracy” in countries where changing of manageable presidents and prime ministers time and again is the only sign of democracy. Other criteria are still unknown there. "Ukraine can't be sacrificed because russia has an identity problem" is a completely twisted quote. it's just the other way round. Russia's identity goes back several hundred years. Russia built all those cities from Odessa to Donetsk and Lugansk. If you don't believe old pictures and files on the Internet can prove that. But what about "Ukraine"? "Identity problems" turned Ukraine into proxy manageable nationalistic toddler who pillaged and destroyed huge Soviet inheritance and capacities and now "defends great values of freedom and democracy " already accusing the West of inadequate help. In 1991 Soviet Republic of Ukraine had 55 million population, the 3rd military potential in the world, 6th GDP in Europe, space and aircraft industry, more than half of Soviet steel production was there. Soviet Union had been governed mostly by people from Soviet Ukraine. And now it sounds like "Russian genocide and colonialism". For example If you listened to former president of Ukraine Yushchenko's speeches and interviews you would clearly see that term "nationalist" is mild and moderate for him and modern Ukrainian elite. Their malignant ramblings and hateful load of nonsense about "ancient great Ukraine as forbearer or predecessor of European civilization" "Russian occupation of Ukraine in 17th and 20th centuries" "the Golden Horde Muscovite drunkards killing all creatures around them" "Russian genocide of Ukrainian people of 1932 known as Holodomor" " Russian occupation of Czechoslovakia of 1968" (Fun fact is that three most supreme officials of USSR who decided to send in troops General Secretary Brezhnev, Soviet Parliamentary Leader Podgorny , Minister of Defence Grechko were Ukrainians at least according to their passports or IDs. Who knows they may well have been Russians at heart because Bolsheviks created Ukrainian Socialist Republic on traditional Russian territories of Malorussia and Novorussia and introduced "ethnicity" entry in people's IDs. Oftentimes people from former Russian regions wrote "Ukrainian" just because they were born inside of the newly formed republic. There were rumours that Brezhnev is one of many "Ukrainians" of that kind, just because receiving passport after serving in the Army in 1935 he was going to work in local Communist Party of Ukraine organization in Dnepropetrovsk and was awarded registration as “Ukrainian” in his ID. And many people were not concerned about that, they were like: "Whats the difference? We are all Soviet people. Soviet Russian Federation or Soviet Ukrainian Republic is not big deal. We live in a unified Soviet state. Everything else doesn't matter." Of course people didn’t know that 1991 break up was ahead and it would happen along factitious administrative territorial borders between socialist republics. Mark my words. In some time the West (Denmark among them) will be responsible for failures and misfortunes of the present Ukrainian nationalistic elite as Russia has always been. Improve your “reasoning and logic”.

[@mariadekelver2240]

Jonathon, it’s my first time listening to Dr McGlynn. She’s remarkable. I very much enjoyed listening to her

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍 she is remarkable- and so are her books.

[@TKMcClone]

I think the one of the traits of a great nation occurs when the culture records history honestly and the citizens learn from it. Great interview, hoping to find Dr. McGlynn's books on Audible. 💙💛

[@jessewhittemore784]

Us Czechs were considered the cheap, scary, uncouth mercenaries for a few centuries. And look into how the 5th anti-Hussite crusade ended. Lots of mass graves in Bohemia

[@hereigoagain5050]

The goal was to spread Pilsner beer throughout Europe, thus ushering an era of peace, prosperity, and happiness. Unfortunately, the warm, brown beer lobby in England kept it from crossing the Channel, thereby setting off the Reformation, endless wars, economic collapse, pandemics, and death. Only when migrants brought it to America could it marginalize porter and after two World Wars spread liberal democracy and free trade to Western Europe. The Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union was set up by the vodka lobby to limit Pilsner's spread because it is hard to have an autocracy when workers have a Pilsner with dinner. Historians never realized that the Czechs are the true puppet masters.

[@eamonnclabby7067]

​@@hereigoagain5050😅😅😅😅...I,ll drink to that...slainte....😊😊😊

[@grahamstrouse1165]

@@hereigoagain5050I knew it!

[@kodiak2fitty]

Thank you for bringing Dr. McGlynn back on the podcast! I purchased and read her recent book Russia's War after seeing her earlier this year on your podcast. I thoroughly enjoyed the book and the attempt to deal with the nuances within Russia.

[@mike4480]

Enjoyed listening to your podcast…looking forward to hearing more….Slava Ukraine…💙💛💙

[@casard5235]

What an intriguing and expansive dialogue. This was my first experience of Dr. Jade McGlynn and found her insights awakening a deeper awareness of.... MUCH.I am going to search her other content. Slava Ukraini

[@larsrons7937]

I agree. Jade McGlynn has been guest once before, late last winter, an absolutely captivating conversation as I experienced it. I recommend watching it. _Silicon Curtain - Jade McGlynn -The Myths Fuelling Acquiescence, Indifference and Support for Russian's War in Ukraine_

[@olivemd]

I am slowly listening to our interviews. So far, I’ve found them all interesting. And, I’m exposed to new people and ideas.

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍

[@lsees5753]

Basically you said how do you go from Kumbaya and universal brotherhood, to genocidal warfare in one generation. That’s what I thought was the brilliant précis.

[@henriikkak2091]

This is not the first time Moscow has done this

[@Alister222222]

I was like... _Fine_, I'll listen to this since I've run out of other stuff. What a surprise, that it was so incredibly insightful and interesting.

[@18_rabbit]

oh yeah , Silicon Curtain is a vital resource for a few reasons. One of a kind that fills a vacant role truly needed. Perhaps his intelligence and his understanding of how marketing works is part of his briliant contextual frameworks. Plus he was steeped in Ru culture and married one long ago.

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍

[@majbrithoeyrup]

Mic drop: if russia is so great, why is russian life so poor?

[@SiliconCurtain]

Very true. It’s the crux of the problem. The empire does not function for the benefit of its people.

[@German-hv9nv]

@@SiliconCurtain Russia has never been an Empire in the proper sense of the word like Britain or Netherlands or Spain especially during Soviet times. She has never behaved herself like metropole. It's very funny to hear hateful load of nonsense from present day Kiev elite about "Russian genocide and colonialism". In 1991 Soviet Republic of Ukraine had 55 million population, the 3rd military potential in the world, 6th GDP in Europe, space and aircraft industry, more than half of Soviet steel production was there. Soviet Union had been governed mostly by people from Soviet Ukraine. And what about " Russian occupation of Czechoslovakia of 1968"? Fun fact is that three most supreme officials of USSR who decided to send in troops General Secretary Brezhnev, Soviet Parliamentary Leader Podgorny , Minister of Defence Grechko were Ukrainians at least according to their passports or IDs. Who knows they may well have been Russians at heart because Bolsheviks created Ukrainian Socialist Republic on traditional Russian territories of Malorussia and Novorussia and introduced "ethnicity" entry in people's IDs. Oftentimes people from Russian regions wrote "Ukrainian" just because they were born inside of the newly formed republic. And after 1991 break up new elite pillaged and destroyed huge Soviet inheritance and capacities. Now they are "defenders of great values of freedom and democracy " already accusing the West of inadequate help. So term "Empire" is questionable when it comes to Russia.

[@strezztechnoid]

Again, as always, bringing interesting and informative guests in your charge of information and knowledge acquisition when it comes to the Ukrainian crisis caused by Russia's cruel and unusual purge of citizens from their own land. Dr. McGlynn provided an additional insight into the human capital and the mechanized programming of a population. Keeping us appraised and aware, allowing us to recognize and plan our own course relative to this plague.

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍 I have to reread the transcript multiple times to really pick up on all Jade’s tremendous insights.

[@ThePereubu1710]

Thank you for another fascinating conversation.

[@edwardfowle2404]

Thanks so much for this interview. I really like your guest Jade. Very competent guest!! So intelligent. Awesome!! Slava Ukraine!!

[@poladelarosa8399]

The GOP in Florida, USA, with book bans and teaching restrictions in grade schools is likewise in ernest pursuit of erasing historical memory (of slavery in the South).

[@lsees5753]

I know, isn’t it embarrassing?🫣

[@curtiswebb8135]

Another kick ass amount of your great work. Thank you

[@robertkasnak1646]

Love this guest! Thanks for bringing her on, Jonathon!

[@matthewmorgan9269]

Great interview ! You got through the whole interview without having to mention Gogol. Good job

[@halporter9]

This is a vitally important issue when trying to understand the past. The Russians are right about the malleability of the past, which is always with us anyway. Check out the Southern Lost Cause Movement following the US Civil War-created by lawyer/general Jubal Early and still the dominant interpretation-and blaming the failings of the competent and clean WW11 Wehrmacht on “madman Hitler” offering Manstein’s memoir, “Lost Victories”as a sort of template. These were somewhat righted by contemporary historians of the Eastern Front such as Col. David Glantz.

[@SilverFrogStudios]

Wow. Thank you to Dr. McGlynn for opening this aperture into Russia for English speakers. And thank you to the list of institutions that made decisions to invest in cultivating this brilliant and energetic person, it's rare to find this level of discourse and probity. To find it from someone of this age is frankly disorienting.

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍

[@olegzbackends4203]

Dr Jade McGlynn is always a pleasure to listen to. Greetings from Ukraine ❤

[@eamonnclabby7067]

Yet despite thaat ..oral tradition in the diaspora of all the enslaved peoples ( Tatars ,Ukrainian others...) ..Poland, the Baltic states...lives on....by analogy, as an Irishman I can relate....they might lie and lie ,if my culture can survive 800 years of suppression, so can our brave friends in Ukraine...just my subjective view...😮...E

[@18_rabbit]

precisely i can say as a Lynch and Mc myself.

[@christinamuzzu6414]

@eamonnclabby7067 Your comments are always a highlight for me, here and at Anna from Ukraine. Thank you for sharing both your empathy and intellect - combining them as you do provides food for thought the world really needs right now. Much appreciated.

[@user-jk8ur7sj3t]

But that is all in the past now. Thank goodness. Unfortunately Putin hasn't got the memo that humans are supposed to be civilized now.

[@eamonnclabby7067]

​@@martinoneill5804in the 1100, s the Norman's and their Welsh levies, 1200,s 1300,s 1400,s The Anglo Norm, 1500 ,1600,the Elizabethans ,and the Scottish plantation, 1700 1800..the penal laws against the Irish..1916, Dublin Rebellion, 1922, Treaty...Irish Free State...1969... Civil rights campaigners in Northern Ireland...30 years of the Troubles...1998...Anglo Irish agreement, anything else...go and read a book....E

[@eamonnclabby7067]

​@@christinamuzzu6414many thanks...just like to contribute...😊😊😊😊

[@tisme9690]

Thank you Jade and Jonathan, that was really interesting 👍

[@neilclay5835]

Highest quality guest, as ever.

[@chrisx2234]

Go Ukraine Go, May God be with them (all Ukrainians) in their fight for FREEDOM

[@nadiasawicki4108]

They are not just fighting for their freedom. They are fighting for their language, traditions, culture and the lands stolen from them.

[@sumiland6445]

💛💙💜💙💛 Hold Fast!! 🇺🇦 🌏 🇺🇸

[@ah5555]

If we look at Putin's historical essays we tend to focus on the concept of history and discuss the relationship of fact and myth. But in terms of perspective, we should not forget that Putin is a secret service agent by training and was chief of the FSB when he was chosen by Yelzin as successor. In his FSB perspective, words carry no truth but effects. History is one of the tools to sow fear and install secrecy alongside power at the heart of discourse. When thinking about the differences between the Maidan and the Bolotnaya protests one difference is quite obvious. It's what you are up against. Ukrainians were up against the Donbas oligarch and Russian puppet Yanukhovich who had faked elections before and was successfully ousted before. Russians were up against a secret service that had risen to the size of their state for almost two decades.

[@German-hv9nv]

1989 G.Bush :"If you dissolve Warsaw Pact and socialist bloc, Mr Gorbachev, we (Americans) would like to stay in Europe in any case. We've been European power for the last 40 years. And our allies want this." Gorbachev: "Of course you may stay. We agree with that. But what about NATO expansion?" J.Baker (State Secretary): " Not one inch eastward, Mr. Gorbachev, no expansion at all." Ha-ha-ha))) What role of Ukraine in this game? What about "sudden desire" of Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO in 2008? (Just imagine the situation on the Black Sea after that. Funny, oh?) Who is pulling the strings there? Whose regime is a puppet here? Yanukhovich or Zelensky(Poroshenko, Yuschenko)?

[@DaniRaj666]

Jade is great! Finns have slightly abused Samis and Sami rights at some points, gypsy minority was abused historically. Estonians have probably never abused anybody, only been abused and oppressed, occupied...

[@katjakuitunen6961]

Interesting discussion! As a Finn, I would add that there were some attrocities towards the Russian civilians during the Continuation War. There were at some point also crazy expeditions to create so called Great Finland where all the Finno-Ugric speaking peoples would have been conquered under Finnish flag. Luckily Finns didn’t have means to accomplish that. Historically speaking, though, we have been more oppressed than opressors. When Russians speak about the WW2 they usually convenietly forget the Winter War and Poland.

[@Asptuber]

@@katjakuitunen6961 Those expeditions of the 20ies are wild to read about, but it might be worth it pointing out that they were private enterprises without state involvement.

[@donotmislead]

At least twenty genocides have been committed by Muscovites in Ukraine since 1654, mostly of Ukrainians, but also of Germans, Poles, Jews, Greeks and Crimean Tatars, namely on 1659, 1678, 1709, 1712, 1769, 1775, 1778, 1783, 1794, 1832, 1860, 1915, 1919, 1921, 1932, 1937, 1940, 1941, 1944 and 1946. The frequency of genocides and the number of victims is growing over time and can only be stopped by the final collapse of Muscovy.

[@coldwar45]

Plenty of Ukrainians did pogroms as well. So I wouldn’t blame the genocides of the Jews as purely a Russian thing. Much more of a European thing

[@majbrithoeyrup]

@@coldwar45 whataboutery

[@donotmislead]

Q: I wouldn’t blame... A: Not blaming the Muscovites in the genocide of Jews would be a justification of such crime.

[@donotmislead]

Q: Russian thing... A: There are no Russian things in Muscovy, except for those stolen from Ukraine.

[@German-hv9nv]

Former president of Ukraine Yushchenko told a nice story about "Ancient great Ukraine as forbearer or predecessor of European civilization". Does that mean that you're a noble exalted descendant of pure Ukranian blood saved by God himself ?))

[@dk6024]

Who controls the past controls the future.

[@SourVodka]

👍👍❤❤

[@pcopeland15]

Excellent guest. She raises the level of discourse.

[@jeangagne3669]

Thanks

[@SiliconCurtain]

Thank you! 🙏

[@pabis6817]

Jade needs better audio equipment. Powerful voice that needs to be heard and heard clearly! Love the discussion but the echo on her side did make it slightly difficult to stay focused.

[@deanejoyce5393]

No, the sincere , genuine and authentic content seems to be more important. We need to talk about this stuff

[@pabis6817]

@@deanejoyce5393 🤔 I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to get, I agree with the content I’m just saying the audio quality made it much harder to listen to for over an hr.

[@deanejoyce5393]

I said “ no” This means I disagree with your comment about the audio. I could understand her perfectly and I listened in an industrial environment with constant machinery noise. Not an issue. It is far more important to create the content and Jonathan works hard to create it for you.

[@pabis6817]

@@deanejoyce5393 again obviously I support Ukraine and I agree with the message but the echo coupled with her British accent made it difficult for me to catch everything she said. I was having to go back and listen to parts several times. I’m glad that wasn’t an issue for you!

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Gotta keep in mind that a lot of the folks Jonathon interviews are people who don’t spend a lot of their time doing interviews for KZbin. If this isn’t something you do on the regular chances are all you’ve got is a laptop.

[@pavelhromadka658]

A side note: This is the only interview I can remember Jade McGlynn smile or even laugh, not out of politeness, just so. Beautiful. Studying russian propaganda, politics etc and experiencing the ordeal of Ukrainian people must be a disturbing experience for people with heart.

[@Asptuber]

It's a pity you didn't get to Bandera. A discussion about him, and especially the historiography of him would be very much needed.

[@lsees5753]

Jonathan = Never A Dull Podcast!!!

[@SiliconCurtain]

🤪 👍👍

[@lsees5753]

@@SiliconCurtainI mean it, I’m genuinely impressed and grateful, not a sycophant.

[@TeArk]

Thank you. Ukraine's case is really very simple right now, it's live or die.

[@ilirllukaci5345]

Malleability is the quintessence of narrative.

[@lsees5753]

Dear Jonathan, opened her #1 podcast again, the very first sentences shook me to the bone with their precision. The impact! 😳. Riveting, in an awful way, now I can’t find it. must’ve come in late, to miss them the first time. Maybe I should reposition this comment,

[@SiliconCurtain]

👍👍👍 Jade is always very compelling

[@lsees5753]

@@SiliconCurtain it was your intro. So modest!

[@vasylbilatchuk]

They should isolate Russia

[@SiliconCurtain]

Hermetically seal it off, until it says sorry.

[@lsees5753]

Ironic that discussion about religion-and-Russia even comes up, since USSR actively suppressed religion for most of my life, and I’m 68.

[@SiliconCurtain]

It suppressed genuine organic religion. It did not suppress religiosity and superstition.

[@lsees5753]

@@SiliconCurtain Aha! This is why I love these tutorials, always something to learn, always something to fill in the gaps!

[@lamontcranston3192]

‘The future is known, it’s the past that is unknown’

[@deanejoyce5393]

Love it. I would put forward, that the norm describing ideologies as left and right, might not be very useful. Why? Because the model sounds good but it might not be actually describing what is going on around us Eg people change the model and start talking about circles, Fascism becomes communism, etc. So if the way we talk about political spectrum in the present might be flawed ( pretty far from an objective truth)… then it makes it really easy to create another reality, especially when speaking about the past.

[@user-gl4hy4uh1n]

Around the 43:25 mark Dr. McGlynn speaks to people setting up military history clubs or military history camps. This is analogous to the establishment in the late nineteenth century in the southern United States of local camps of the United Confederate Veterans and the subsequent establishment of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. The 'Sons' are the group claiming all Confederate contemporary history should be viewed through the lens of heritage.

[@juliarichter6987]

"history beats law" , it's this underlying argument, that creates "memory politics" What are the philosophical roots of this idea?

[@andersliwenborg3355]

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[@WalterBurton]

👍👍👍

[@donnacribb5712]

Wow

[@zetristan4525]

Really lovely interview: and Jade really tried to be balanced and honest, mentioning the troubling parts eg 25:48 on top of 4:15. Both of you expand our knowledge base in many interviews. As I always say, one doesn't ever need to be jingoistic, or loathe some partially-fictionalised reimaging of the enemy, in order to stand up for ordinary Ukrainians who are having their lives shattered and their country littered with mines, death and trauma. (But I'll openly admit I've been guilty of doing something like that myself in the past - I was so upset, really brokenhearted, at the Judeo-Christian God's utterly unkind neglect of vulnerable people across the entire world over millenia, and had to keep reminding myself for years that "He" does not exist ie I was being overreactive towards a fiction planted and fostered in my mind that I was deeply emotionally attached to in my youngest years!) Next episode: A realistic, implementable vision for the potentially greatest future for the wellbeing of people across Ukraine - there's a healthy challenge. Negotiate every week, but do not appease.

[@peterfarge4895]

You should make chapters for every question. Often I ask myself, is this video a waste of time? Then I could jump to the interesting questions and decide. Currently, if I dont like the first 5 minutes, I abort.

[@SiliconCurtain]

I will do - I’ve been pushed for time so started to neglect doing this…

[@lw1zfog]

‘King’s college indirectly invests £2.2 million in arms and defence and has increased its shares in the industry in recent years, despite its reputation for being Cambridge’s ‘progressive’ college, Varsity can reveal. Freedom of information requests showed the College’s £349m of assets to include shares in over fifty arms companies, held mostly via investments in a range of index tracker funds. As of March 2023, the college indirectly invested over £2,206,000 in companies like Lockheed Martin, Korea Aerospace, and BAE Systems.’

[@aaronseet2738]

"Let's return them to their 'real history' by slaughtering them."

[@user-0xDEEDBEEF]

The guy has no idea how ruthless Spanish riot police is.😂

[@The_ZeroLine]

Yeah, somehow Spain’s crackdowns on Barcelona/Catalan protests. They’re ruthless. Spanish police have also done classy stuff like framed an Andorran bank and manipulated American banking laws to get all its assets seized, costing thousands of people their lifesavings.

[@robfritz841]

I remember seeing maps of the world in 🇺🇸grade school (1969-1976) that showed just a single color for USSR and there was no Ukraine or Georgia or Belarus or Baltic States. But it did use separate colors for E/W Germany.

[@AntiCitizen.2027]

borders appear where the strong stand in the way of cannibals. The socialists are not a political or economic system, they are a religious sect whose goal is officially proclaimed - the conquest of the world. Nevertheless, Ukraine became a co-founder of the United Nations in 1945, along with the USSR and other countries. The Ukrainian SSR received a place in the UN in addition to the USSR. Early Kiev gave birth to Russia. After that, when power was divided between Moscow and Kiev, when expansion reached its peak, the reverse process of Ukraine's involvement in the empire began, where it has always been in the position of a state, republic, and so on. The fact that russians deny this today, the banal ignorance of their own history and the hypocritical attempt to militarily humiliate Ukraine, which decided never to be part of Russia under any conditions, obviously this decision was not accidental after centuries their mutual history. Education is the weak point of the inhabitants of the Earth. By destroying one cannibal in the 20th century, humans legitimized another. And just forgot about it later. But the cannibals did not forget, they were asleep and decided to wake up now.

[@German-hv9nv]

Thanks to Gorbachev. Remember colors of NATO and Warsaw Pact? Whan about nowdays?

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

I wouldn't characterize trying to get away from Russian police during a protest by pretending to be a tourist as "cowardly". You were there. You protested. That's what matters. There are a million forms of protest! Some forms you can do anonymously like by wearing mask or a costume, secretly drawing graffiti late at night in a public area, publish an article under a pen-name, block busy roads, streets, buildings, or meetings, you can smash up or break property, computer hacking, setting things on fire, etc., etc. It is for non-violent statement-type protests or protesting for the Rights of those less powerful in your society where you must stand (or sit) your ground and face police and government officials openly. I don't think anyone in democratic countries are begrudging Russians for their quite understandable fear of the violent, retributive, and vengeful response from police and government forces. We get that. It's just that protesting is for We the People to demand and take power away from those who hold it. And when those in power abuse or misuse their power at the People's expense, you must go out and get it back somehow and put that power back where it belongs, in the hands of the People. That's the whole point! How you achieve that whether openly or anonymously is up to you and your collective society, your comrades, so to speak. But you HAVE to do it! You can't just let the powerful walk all over you and your country, stealing your money, misappropriating it in frivolous or even sometimes, violent ways. And if you don't even try, the powerful WILL take your or your loved ones' lives! Protesting agajnst the Russian government's brutal war on Ukraine is not just for the Ukrainian people, but importantly, it's very much for the well-being of the Russian people as well!

[@SiliconCurtain]

Not at all! It’s a very human reaction!

[@velvetmagnetta3074]

@@SiliconCurtain - Yes! I just saw in Jade's comment of "Who am I to judge the Russians for not protesting" because it's scary, and I, myself, ran away. And that has been a regular refrain I've heard from Russians: That those of us fat and happy in the West wouldn't risk protesting in such a hostile environment. That how can we expect Russians to be braver than everyone else? And I categorically reject that "hypocrisy" argument or "whataboutism" deflection because bravery is not what protesting is about! Yes, you have to be brave to engage in certain forms of open protest, but those usually only happen when there is no other recourse, like the 1960s Civil Rights protests in America, or Gandhi's non-violent resistence, or nowadays, what may become cis people speaking up for trans Rights in dangerous States. Yes, they were/are brave for protesting openly, but the protest itself only happened when things became dire and there was no other way. These open protests usually happen AFTER violence doesn't work. In Russia, we have a unique situation where Russians are being killed in Ukraine by the thousands, their country's economy is being sacrificed and tanked, and it's all in the name of subjugating and killing Ukrainians! They tried protesting. Their Rights (and those of the Ukrainians) are being violated. Their power has been taken from them. So what now? Do nothing? Or...? I don't like to think of protests in terms of bravery versus cowardliness. I like to think of them as Self-Defense.

[@Asptuber]

At around 48:35 "Only the Czechs that hasn't committed..." HAH! Just a few days ago I watched @MLaserHistory 's (extremely well done) video on "what happened to the Germans of Czechoslovakia" (Quite an interesting comment section as well). I think you'd probably have to go to the Northern countries to really have to stretch the definition of atrocities. But even here the zeitgeist _demands_ them. I don't know about Norway or Denmark, but the Swedish focus on the Holocaust ca 1995-2010ish is pretty remarkable. We had some of that in Finland too, but not anywhere to the same extent, maybe because we have the actual horrors of 1918 (though small scale in comparison). But still, it is now exceedingly easy to find the complete biographies of the eight (8) refugees Finland handed over to the Germans. Not so much for the Russian POWs who either died in captivity (food was scarce overall), or were handed back to the Soviets against their will - though I think everyone now is aware of these blots of the national conscience.

[@eskokauppila1327]

"...jdhpeace to silicon valley is it same as 'roo'?

[@christianbenesch1]

55:47 The Finns? . Finns wouldn’t have been able to defend themselves against the Soviets if they had this “I’m ok, you’re ok attitude” (or have gained independence for that matter). Not being geopolitically aggressive, doesn’t mean there isn’t also an degree of internalised violence that keeps the cohesion in society. Where else would you find the discipline to defend yourself? So there will be some skeletons in the cupboard somewhere. Scandinavians for instance, as benign as they are now have quite the ferocious history. (Finns are not technically Scandinavian, I know)

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Finland is a country where most families got their food by hunting for it well into the 20th century. They also take a similar approach to dealing with shitty neighbors that Israel does. Make sure everyone has at least a modicum of military training. I don’t think Finland requires women to put in service time like Israel does but that still leaves them with an enormous reserve force relative to their population.

[@RandyHarder-tf2dg]

Please ask Dr. Marina Miron on your podcast!!

[@SiliconCurtain]

Thanks for the tip- I’ll try to!

[@RandyHarder-tf2dg]

I have seen her a lot on DW News. Cheers mate!

[@peterbeyer5755]

Could statistics about Russia by Russians be inaccurate? I find this intriguing. Alcohol consumption and male life expectancy as recorded apparently is vastly inaccurate yet it’s these and other figures that influence our perception.

[@SiliconCurtain]

Many statistics are either inaccurate or suppressed, there can be no doubt.

[@iangreatbatch683]

What an arguement Dr Jade and Putin would have if they found themselves in the same room but it would need to be Putins jail cell if Dr Jade wants to see her next birthday.

[@jamesweible5357]

From the moment I started really paying attention to what russians were saying I always felt that they sounded like one of those people who tell outlandish stories to their friends/coworkers/family etc. trying to make themselves seem more accomplished than they are. I then tried to figure out why the russians would feel so insecure in themselves. The conversation really helped a lot of puzzle pieces fall into place. When this current war started, I began to look into the UA youtube videos, particularly the cultural ones, and it seemed that there was a steady increase over the years of looking back through all their history to know who they were, good and bad. Knowing more about russia now, I can totally see how they might feel like they needed to stop ukraine from looking into their past, because the russian lies they tell the world would have a huge light shone on them, and russia would have to face who they are. That is terrifying for a country who doesn't have an identity as such, and has to make one up in order to have something to latch onto. It also makes sense why they would always say that the west lies, because then when the west calls them out on their false history, regular russians have some way to immediately dismiss it. It's wild the amount of work they put into maintaining a false history.

[@German-hv9nv]

1989 G.Bush :"If you dissolve Warsaw Pact and socialist bloc, Mr Gorbachev, we (Americans) would like to stay in Europe in any case. We've been European power for the last 40 years. And our allies want this." Gorbachev: "Of course you may stay. We agree with that. But what about NATO expansion?" J.Baker (State Secretary): " Not one inch eastward, Mr. Gorbachev, no expansion at all." Ha-ha-ha))) What role of Ukraine in this game? Angry proxy failed obedient "democratic" manageable toddler? And you 're right. It's a toddler. It had never existed before 1992. If I'm wrong please tell me the names of Ukrainian Kings, Tsars, Dukes, Presidents (before 1992) etc. On what century’s map can you see a state named “Ukraine”. It's the creation of Soviet rulers in the form of socialist republic with vast majority of Russian people living there from Odessa to Kiev, Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk But now it's a "country" with totally different and nationalistic elite. Very brash and not at all democratic toddler already accusing the West for inadequate help. And what are the roles of former socialist countries in this game? From Bulgaria to Baltic states? What kind of "fears" dragged them into NATO in 1997-2006? Or were there somebody's "Geopolitical interests"? Whose impudence is that? What about "sudden desire" of Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO in 2008? (Just imagine the situation on the Black Sea after that. Funny, oh?) Who is pulling the strings there?

[@German-hv9nv]

You're being manipulated by media. 1989 G.Bush :"If you dissolve Warsaw Pact and socialist bloc, Mr Gorbachev, we (Americans) would like to stay in Europe in any case. We've been European power for the last 40 years. And our allies want this." Gorbachev: "Of course you may stay. We agree with that. But what about NATO expansion?" J.Baker (State Secretary): " Not one inch eastward, Mr. Gorbachev, no expansion at all." Ha-ha-ha))) What role of Ukraine in this game? Angry proxy failed obedient "democratic" manageable toddler? And you 're right. It's a toddler. It had never existed before 1992. If I'm wrong please tell me the names of Ukrainian Kings, Tsars, Dukes, Presidents (before 1992) etc. On what century’s map can you see a state named “Ukraine”. It's the creation of Soviet rulers in the form of socialist republic with vast majority of Russian people living there from Odessa to Kiev, Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk But now it's a "country" with totally different and nationalistic elite. Very brash and not at all democratic toddler already accusing the West for inadequate help. And what are the roles of former socialist countries in this game? From Bulgaria to Baltic states? What kind of "fears" dragged them into NATO in 1997-2006? Or were there somebody's "Geopolitical interests"? Whose impudence is that? What about "sudden desire" of Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO in 2008? (Just imagine the situation on the Black Sea after that. Funny, oh?) Who is pulling the strings there?

[@jamesweible5357]

@@German-hv9nv You haven't looked at many maps have you? Only ones supplied by the kremlin obviously if you think ukraine never appeared on any maps. A politician lied to get something they wanted? *GASP* say it ain't so! Show me a PAPER SIGNED, and we'll talk. Now russia signed a paper stating they wouldn't invade ukraine. Wanna talk about that one? The "Kievan Rus" or whatever they're called weren't russian either, they were RUS. Moskovia was established long after kiev was, kiev was around before the nordic invasion as they came across an already developed town, if a small one. Different groups were named different things, but russia and moskovia were on maps WITH UKRIANE, they were different countries of RUS PEOPLE. We in the west are restrained by whatever moskow decides to feed us, we have our own records that moscovians couldn't destroy and rewrite. Take your BS back to moskovia.

[@jamesweible5357]

@@German-hv9nv I find it very telling that you try to convince me with "ukraine isn't a people" on a post where I talk about the ancient history of different groups in the territory which is now ukraine. WHICH UKRAINE ADMITS TO, and is open and welcoming to them all. Almost as if they were married into a family and invited in as family, and treated the same. While everything I see from russia is doing everything they can to suppress and/or destroy anyone "other" than what they say russia is. Which is very much like you will see from racist parents who refuse to accept an in-law who is of another race or culture. Going so far as to disown their own children. Russia as it is, is a cancer.

[@peterjensen3076]

Btw, looking at the comments to this video, I notice that the strategy still is to turn every relevant critique of the western politics and history into russians fabrications. Not very advanced, but I'm sure that it will help their cause, as far as it comes to westerners, who are busy consumers of quick info.

[@lsees5753]

The further from the center of Russian power, the healthier the economy and personal quality of life.

[@SiliconCurtain]

It sure that’s true about either the economy or wealth… in Russia at least.

[@kitcat4512]

Russia did that? Who else did?

[@cragboom3]

Hate those sinister Asian ads that are edited with tacky music and speeded up film of amazing wonder tools on KZbin. Subtly disconcerting. Frank Zappa was right in "I am the slime" "I am gross and perverted, I am obsessed n deranged, I have existed for years, but very little has changed, I am the tool of the government, and industry too, for I am destined to rule, and regulate you"

[@amorosogombe9650]

For Putin and Co. It's America could do it, why can't we? They make Ukraine and Afghanistan equivalent even though to us that's a completely mental analogy. Also, there is literal footage of a Russian soldier walking inside a house in occupied Ukraine and saying, "who gave you permission to live like this" when he saw all the comforts and mod cons of Ukrainian middle class life. That could be an interesting starting point for a future documentary. Thank you.

[@VladKepes]

Finland doesn't apply I'm afraid. We committed atrocities towards our own people in the 1918 Civil War, where tens of thousands of people were executed, or thrown into prison camps to be deliberately starved. And though Finland didn't exist as an independent country in the 30 Years' War, Finns did take part in it under the Swedish banner. The total destruction of Pomerania which were the Swedish Army's winter camp was probably the worst. It took half a century for the region to recover economically, socially and demographically. There are other events to be debated like the Siege of Leningrad, but those two came to my mind as clear-cut examples.

[@rabbott-ee4yu]

The USSR was a mighty empire once, that lost the cold war in a humiliating manner (they went bankrupt, lost identity and standing internationally !). In the 1990s, Russia suffered another humiliating period of poverty and corruption when communism failed. Russia, then failed to adapt to the Western economic and political models due to their leaders intransigence. They later failed to meet requirement to join NATO, and failed again while trying to join the EU. Russias political ideology was rejected by 95% of the world, who had moved on from autocratic dictatorships to more evolved systems of governance. When you consider it as a whole, that's a lot of "own goals" that Russia falsely sees as rejection of everything Russian, that's lead to Russia developing a national inferiority complex, that's bruised Putin's ego. Now add Ukraine to the mix! UKRAINE, to Russian's was a “popular little Brother” and when Ukraine embarked on a path to westernization, including EU and NATO membership, where greater prosperity, freedom and individuality was possible, it was frowned apon by "the less popular big brother" Russia. In the West, it's a natural progression when a country is “mature” enough to become an independent sovereign state, to decide to become a lawful, free-market democracy. (when "little brother" is ready to leave home and fend for himself! ) BUT for Russia, which has failed on that path several times itself, this aspiration by Ukraine became an imagined humiliation to the family and was looked on as a total rejection of the Russian political model, their philosophies and morality. Essentially, by choosing West over East, Ukraine was believed to be telling Russia that they don't need their "big brother" any more and that’s hard to take from a country seen as a “little brother”, when the "big brother" has an inferiority complex. So Russia fabricated rationalizations to keep Ukraine in the family, that gradually, when Ukraine rejected Russia's reasoning, were used to justify an attitude readjustment of "little brother" (invasion) to try to straighten them out and make them stay loyal to Russia's family. The programming of the Russian people started early in 2013 with rumours of Ukraine joining NATO, saying NATO was anti-russian and that it would be dangerous to have NATO, a purely defensive organisation, that had never threatened Russia, “too close to Moscow” on Russia's borders (conveniently forgetting Estonia, Norway, Lithuania, Latvia, etc were already on Russia's borders and had been so, peacefully, for 20 years) The Russian people were told Russia could not permit Nuclear weapons on their borders even though Ukraine had been rejected by NATO in 2017, so Ukraine arming with Nuclear weapons was never going to happen. More misinformation followed, with messages that “Westernization” of Ukraine was really a CIA campaign. That Ukraine was a nazi country, full of Nazis, lead by a Nazis (forgetting to mention that Zalensky's is Jewish, and that the far right got less than 2% in Ukraines election, gaining no seats in local or national government) Russias media repeatedly told the Russian people that Ukraine planned to attack Russia. That Ukraine was producing anti-slavic viruses. That Ukraine was committing genocide in the Donbas, etc. All misinformation constructed to brainwash the Russian people to gain support for the up coming "special military operation" AKA, Russian Ukraine war. Russia's TV channels incessantly and casually delivered their propaganda over the years slowly brainwashing the population, while most recently their stooges screamed about their nukes; screaming how they could vaporise countries at their leisure, screaming how easy it would be to obliterate London, Paris, Berlin, etc! Actions you don’t see on TV in the US, or France, or UK, or Israel or China or any rational thinking country for that matter, where they are secure in their national identity. But in Russia they are overcompensating for feeling inferior, so screaming “we have nukes” "we can Nuke you" "it's all the west's fault" helps to assuage that inferiority complex. Russia is now seen as a corrupt, almost destitute, desperate “GAS STATION WITH NUTS AND NUKES ” with few friends and a reputation to lie a lot, that means many countries don't trust them anymore. In simple terms, Russia has a fired up national inferiority complex, fanned by Putin's paranoia, which in turn fuels Russia's disgusting anti-social behavior at the country and international level.

[@German-hv9nv]

If Russia failed to meet requirements to join NATO how come Ukraine and Georgia met them in 2008 in Bucharest?)) It should mean that Ukraine is more developed, strong and less corrupt? Then why are Ukrainians not able to beat "weak corrupt almost destitute, desperate “GAS STATION" (your wording) that deployed only 300 000 troops into strong democratic honorable state receiving help from the whole world ? Improve your sense and logic

[@wheelie63]

those eyes...wow.

[@ivangoncharov2563]

It’s sad, being a Russia expert and understanding you will never be welcome in Russia whatever the outcome of the war.

[@fgcggggc2870]

"Why russians do not benefit?" Because moscow.

[@georgeallcorn6302]

If to visit Ukraine may well become traumatizing for the visitor. . . .

[@SiliconCurtain]

I was there- and it was an energising and uplifting experience

[@joeyboi83]

Jane is smart + hot.. If she wasn’t popular i would be worried. Don’t be offended people that’s reality and I said smart first. No guns

[@Brix96]

This young woman is speaking of a serious subject yet she keeps giggling and laughing it seems she`s making it up as she go`s along.

[@AKCFTW]

This “young woman” is one of the foremost experts in the world.

[@Brix96]

So we are told She spent a year studying in moscow and is now considered a expert on Russia.@@AKCFTW

[@user-0xDEEDBEEF]

Propaganda based on history is used by any states. Some countries use it more the others less.

[@nole8923]

The thumbnail nail could also say “Interview with Barbie”. I’m not trying to be mean when I say this, but if she wants men to see her as a professional and take her seriously she needs to not wear makeup and look as plain as possible. Those eyes of hers are just so beautiful they’re hypnotic. It would be hard for me to focus on what she was saying.

[@catc8927]

Way to blame her for your own distraction. There’s an audio only version of this podcast that doesn’t show her face, maybe you should only listen to that?

[@karsten11553]

If you can't take a women seriously unless she makes an effort to make you not want to bang her, then that's on you.

[@Brix96]

Weaponising memory what nonsense the russians lost 27 million people in the second world War the War Memorials are up to 350 feet high in the city`s so the people can never forget and every year the immortal regiments March these are the Relatives of the dead carrying large Photo`s of the Dead iin honour of their Sacrifice.while in Britain apart from london the war Memorials are insigniificant people walk past them every day without a thought.

[@MadHeadzOz]

My word, what a lot of dribble. So much knowledge from very capable minds, yet so many important facts totally ignored. Do some research into neuro-warfare if you want to gain some insight into the weird ways people are behaving. No government, nation, large corporate entity, acronymed organisation is interested in the well being of ordinary working class people. They are all doing seriously messed up things.

[@SiliconCurtain]

Two wrongs don’t make a right. YT I’d say there are some very different forms of brainwashing going on. Those based on genocidal nationalism seem more pernicious to me. It does not mean we shouldn’t tackle mythologies in our societies also.

[@davidwright5094]

"No government, nation, large corporate entity, acronymed organisation is interested in the well being of ordinary working class people." General, Municipal, Boilermakers and Allied Trade Union (GMBATU), -- acronym subsequently shortened to GMB. Socialist Workers Party (SWP) -Those two are certainly candidates. List could be extended. Labour Party even???

[@margyrowland]

It was Ukraine that reneged on the Minsk Agreement, not Russia.

[@SiliconCurtain]

Rubbish. Have you even looked into this? Surkov even admitted that Russia never intended to comply with the agreement, and was simply looking for a mechanism to create a ‘frozen conflict’ that it could still leverage to keep attacking Ukraine.

[@The_ZeroLine]

Was it worth the kopeck you got paid to post a lie? You know these type of claims only work in Russia, right? Western tankies will regurgitate them, but not cause they’re fooled.

[@imaginejl4]

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