Dr. Michael Greger gets fact-checked by MD PhD doctor (debate)

Do Dr. Michael Greger´s views on diet and health match the science? A TV debate with Dr. Michael Greger covers heart disease reversal, animal and plant protein, diabetes etc. A critique of Dr. Greger´s claims.
We got a ton requests from you to comment on Dr. Michael Greger. This week viewers sent us a new video with dr. Greger, let’s take a look
It´s a tv show, Greger is in a debate. Greger will argue the vegetarian diet. Reversal of heart disease. Dr. Esselstyn and the Ornish trial.
Ornish trial: diet, stopping smoking, stress management (meditation etc), exercise
Many diets “reverse” diabetes, normalize glucose. low fat diets can reverse diabetes, low carb diets can reverse diabetes. elimination diets cut junk food, weight loss improves glucose
overt deficiency of protein or kwashiorkor virtually nonexistent in the west. we can avoid overt deficiency and not be at optimal level. true: main threats are diseases of excess. Heart disease, obesity, diabetes, even cancer: diseases of eating too many calories, too much of the wrong foods
Red meat intake reduced, diabetes went up. People eating more calories and more junk food. red meat not the cause of this rise in diabetes but red meat could raise risk of diabetes. reduction of red meat and even bigger increase of refined carbohydrates, overall more calories, risk of diabetes goes up but in theory both foods could be diabetogenic
does not imply more diabetes due to less meat
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0:00 New video with Dr. Greger
1:20 Do Americans get enough protein?
5:25 Bioavailability of animal & plant protein
6:33 Developing world and animal foods
7:49 Polarized Debates
9:18 Plant-based diets & supplements
10:11 Dr. Greger & reversal of heart disease
14:21 Reversing Diabetes
16:06 Deficiencies vs excess
17:45 The Ornish trial
21:34 Red meat and diabetes
24:43 Heart disease & insulin resistance
26:36 Vegetarian diet and risk of disease
29:03 The debate heats up
30:22 Ecological data & hierarchy of evidence
32:39 Red meat and health risk
38:02 Scams, superfoods & ancestor diets
39:33 My conclusion of the debate
40:18 My views on Dr. Michael Greger
41:39 The main lesson from all this!

[@bahramabdolkarimi]

25 years ago at age 55 I had back to back severe heart attack soon diagnosed with heart failure and given less than two years to live I went plant base diet now I am looking forward to celebrating my 80 birthday soon.

[@thomashugus5686]

I just had an unexpected MI 3 months ago! Switched to plant based so wish me luck! Hope to do as well as you sir!

[@bahramabdolkarimi]

@@thomashugus5686Congratulations for adopting plants based diet and please don’t forget eat only complex carbohydrates and try to do intermediate fasting 16/8

[@EbonyPope]

Plant based diets aren't the only diets to reduce the risk. Especially the mediterranian diet has shown huge advantages too. According to the newer adventist study vegans do not really fare any better than meat eaters. What is important with any diet is the quality of foods and amount of calories. Apart from that it is up to you to choose. I just don't think that there is a one size fits all diet.

[@emesor78]

How you know is the pbd ? I'm sure you cut ultra processed foods , mabe cut alcohol, or smoking or you started exercising. Or lost weight.

[@StarOnTheWater]

So happy for you! That's awesome! Sometimes we need to really be confronted to make a change.

[@DasaadMulijono]

I am an Interventional Cardiologist. I have observed so many of my patients who strictly follow plant based diets regressed their plaques on their follow up CT scan and Coronary Angiography. Well less moneys for an Interventional Cardiologist but good for them. Therefore so many cardiologists are reluctant to advice such diets which not only decrease the plaques but also doctors income. LOL.

[@Primal391]

So you got unhealthy people that don’t exercise on a better diet and they improved? Not sure your point. Are you also saying that if they went on a Mediterranean diet or any other diet they would have died?

[@fleedermouse]

That’s great to hear. I’m always hopeful that things like this can be the case so it’s nice to hear some witnesses cases by an expert.

[@safenders]

I specifically went to see a cardiologist to discuss this possibility and he just about said it was impossible and ran me out the door. On my way out he was very busy flirting with his coworkers.

[@himpoet]

Still just anecdotal, an argument this very video argues against. Note that I’m not saying this out of a bias towards meat at all, my diet is to a very large extent plant-based.

[@nusaibahibraheem8183]

​@@himpoet A doctor however can keep advising his patients on what he sees results from. In the future research can be done on their findings.

[@slaffkas]

I can tell you one thing... I am over 50, plant based for 6 years after my heart surgery, and my cardiologist loves it. Prediabetis is gone, blood work is excellent. That is all I need. I am physically active as well.

[@jtell723]

The key question here. Did you lose weight? If so, how much?? I’m wondering if any diet that can get you to lose considerable weight would get you similar results.

[@spiral-m]

@@jtell723 cocaine use? Weight loss isn't everything by any means. Long-term effects are often ignored.

[@AmorXcatalunya7]

@@jtell723 no they wont, weight isnt always the main problem, you can lose weight by many ways and diferents strategies, but if you do it the right way, eating healthy, fiber, vegetables etc.. it will be perfect for blood and cardiovascular health

[@diytwoincollege7079]

Vegetarian for over a year. Lost 50 lbs, blood #’s are all good. Went from A1C 12 to 5.5 in a matter of months. Cholesterol went to 150. Been tracking nutritional info, and it looks like I’m getting what I need. Dr Greger’s advice works. You have to eat the right foods and exercise regularly to a good sweat.

[@TimWilson1]

With ya! My cardiologist has the same response to my whole food vegan diet (with B supplementation).

[@pravoslavn]

MY STORY: Twenty-five years I was on crutches due to crippling gout and my physician had me on kidney-destroying Alopurinol. The Internet had just come around and we were becoming able to educate ourselves beyond just what our physicians told us. I "went vegan" and started using Turmeric daily (slightly cooked in olive oil + a little black pepper.) In six weeks, I was off the Alopurinol, lost a bunch of weight, my BP and cholesterol numbers went down, and now, at age 78, I am healthy as a horse and have no more inflamatory symptoms or pathologies of any kind. My Doctor was scandalized that I had thrown away his medicine, but later, when his own mother was laid low with arthritis, he asked me to write for her an essay on how I had treated myself with Vegan diet + Turmeric. HA! You folks eat all the meat you want, but I prefer to be healthy !

[@veganaporlavida]

Well done, that's how you do it! They will surely keep insisting on maintaining their meat habits, as we know it's addictive as hell, and they'll do whatever it takes to defend it. But those of us who have been plant based for decades, and maintain our top health until our late years, without a single complaint, know what really is good for us. Let them defend meat, one day they will realise they were wrong.

[@jamesclifford5496]

Except in your case, you're suffering from kidney disease. One of the roles of the kidneys is to deal with the waste products of protein metabolism. That's nutrition 101. And that's the same reason we have a "CKD diet" which is low protein for patients like yourself. So perhaps the thing that really helped you was low-protein, not veganism. The fact your Dr didn't know this or challenge this about your recovery is shocking!

[@nitishkumarjurel241]

Anecdotes don't count as evidence.

[@jibjubby]

@@jamesclifford5496 Careful, he said he has gout, not kidney disease.

[@evolopterus]

Awesome… just so you know, turmeric is often found contaminated with lead and dangerous additives to enhance its color (you will not find them in the ingredients list)

[@anabolicamaranth7140]

I believe it’s the decrease in vinyl record sales that have caused the increase in diabetes.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

genius :)

[@myggggeneration]

A.A. --- true, because people danced/moved a lot to music on vinyl!! (Fact)

[@asarcadyn2414]

Nah mate. It's the increase in taking showers.

[@michaelashley2855]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

[@Soul_Younes]

What a load of crap... The increase in diabetes is caused by the increase of streaming platform users. Vinyl is just an external non causal factor.

[@joerockhead7246]

Glad to see you're putting this guy... to the test.

[@garyhennessey3621]

LOL

[@iChefTheImpossible]

No ones done it….until now!

[@maricamaas2326]

​@@iChefTheImpossible Could be since it's so difficult to be exposed to his ridiculousness for more than a few minutes 😅

[@jonm7888]

It seems like he passed the test.

[@RodKruz]

Dr. Greger "said there's one diet ever proven to reverse the progression of heart-disease", he didn't mention it was the only thing you have to do. He actually talks a lot about not smoking and exercising in his website.

[@slaffkas]

..while conducting Q&A sessions from the comfort of his treadmill.

[@RodKruz]

@@slaffkas that's a good thing, actually. But I don't know what you meant by that.

[@slaffkas]

@@RodKruz it was my reaction to the video. Being a vegan is not that bad as they say.

[@SonoftheWest316]

drinking soda and consuming reefined carbs every day is far worse than smoking cigarettes.

[@RodKruz]

@@slaffkas not bad at all. Veganism has been defamed in recent years because it has affected the interests of industries that profit from the suffering of those who have no rights.

[@skippy6462]

Myself and my husband's h health improved following Dr. Greger's DAILY DOZEN. Best book on nutrition is How Not To Die.

[@voicedbird]

I would be lost in so much nonsense if it weren't for this channel. Thanks so much for all your hard work!

[@jhunt5578]

I appreciate you scrutinising Vegan doctors. I'm a Vegan myself, have been for 5 years. It's good to hear a balanced perspective.

[@Dan16673]

Gotta check everyone buy imo plant based is the way

[@Scottlp2]

@@Dan16673 I’d love to see trial: 1. Gregor’s plant based diet vs 2. Same diet minus grains, lots of avocados nuts, seeds.

[@Dan16673]

@@Scottlp2 yeah that would be interesting

[@K4113B4113]

You're a rare human being. Wish this could be the norm. Have a good day!

[@ASOT666]

Yes! As a vegan I am only in it for the animals, and have seen enough pseudoscientific claims in the community that I became dubious of the health claims a lot of the doctors/influencers have made and I previously took for granted. It is always good to be sceptical - of anything. Unfortunately I am a statistician by training and know nothing about nutrition - but I am educating myself on that. In the meantime, it's great to have credibility within the community checked. This is healthy and shows the community isn't some weird cult/hive-mind, and also allows us to get a closer understanding of the truth. I really love seeing the growth GIl's channel has had in the past year. Shows that there is interest in being scientifically sound when making claims.

[@sandeepnij]

Regarding that chart showing red meat consumption going down when diabetes risk was going up, it's worth pointing out that cigarette consumption was also going down at the same time. Perhaps we should restart smoking to prevent diabetes? 😊

[@tom-qj6uw]

And also the average horsepower of cars went up - this can't be coincidence ;-) It would have been great if Dr Gregor had pulled the chart of some stock which perfectly matches the increase in diabetes to prove that diabetes in Americans 'obviously' is caused by the stock rise of some car component supplier somewhere in Asia since the eyeball test is the best! ;-)

[@justinbosley692]

I'd like to see Dr. Greger on your show to hear his side of the story.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

we reached out. Dr. Greger has thus far declined. which is his prerogative and should be respected. maybe it'll change some day

[@leeduli]

@@NutritionMadeSimple Interesting he would agree to a 7 minute TV interview where the opponent is incredibly dishonest and is basically a shill for the meat industry, but not agree to talk with the great Gil Carvalho!

[@andyd.3701]

It saddens me, but after years of watching Dr. Gregers' clips, I have come to think that it seems more important for him to push veganism than to open-mindedly stick to data. Watching him in this 7min discussion was again a huge disappointment.

[@lpg12338]

@@andyd.3701 Agree on both fronts. 😔

[@alwirth7650]

People are different genetically. I found out I had a 95 % blockage in my left main artery at 36. Had a triple bypass . I was a big meat eater but change to plant base whole food diet with regular exercise and stress reduction.I am 70 year old with good metabolic numbers and see my PCP and Cardiologist semi-annually. Dean Ornish's research enlighten me and Michael Greger reinforced a healthy life style for me. My family historically were big meat eaters and all died of heart disease some sooner than others.

[@mayurim9839]

I think the best thing about this channel is that it never attacks the people and there's no emotion attached to any statement made from either party. Thank you for the video; found it super helpful! 🙂

[@jorgearg8701]

you say "don't attack people" but the nerve to the titles "somebody is getting fact checked from me" when in most cases it's evidence against evidence.

[@UnnamedThinkTank]

@@jorgearg8701 Dr Gil has made one point very clear. Everyone must be fact checked. Doctors/gurus/politicians blah blah whoever. Also in my very humble opinion, whoever takes offense to "fact checking" is detrimental to science. Fact checking, citing sources/evidence/articles, even investigating articles supporting a certain claim is part of science. You will offend someone eventually but that how science works. Ultimately, trust no-one, trust is only for yourself and family. Gil encourages us to be skeptics and that is good. Gil even tell us not to fully trust him either. So all deserved to be confronted and fact check, and the fact checker, Gil here, welcomed people to fact check him too. But so far no youtube doctors have taken up the challenge to him.

[@damiettes7140]

@@jorgearg8701do you understand the “hierarchy of evidence “ at all?

[@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094]

"Never attacks the people" ?? Did you know that dog flesh is a lot healthier for humans than pig or cow flesh? If someone recommended that we all start cutting up dogs for our health would you "attack them"? Or wouldn't you?

[@kathleenkulp240]

You are, without a doubt, the voice of reason in the storms of diet controversy. Thank you for always providing thoughtful and well-researched analysis of these two viewpoints!

[@metalrunner4398]

Amen

[@ceolbeats7182]

Just his opinion Greger is science based & trials carried out

[@beldir1701]

Amen 🙏 this people can trick regular people so it is good someone to debate them

[@htttppppp]

As I see it, there is no controversy. They are trying to make money and they all go to each others podcasts and it is all for marketing purposes. No one cares about the truth obviously.

[@alexpfleger5539]

Agreed 💯

[@lkelly4337]

This are my results. Went on a whole food plant based diet for 3 months. My TMAO and APO B went down to 50%. Added small amount of meat, eggs and cheese to my diet for 3 months. My TMAO and APO B score doubled. All other life style stayed the same. Body weight stayed the same. My conclusion is that for me TMAO and APO B increases with increased consumption of meat, eggs and cheese.

[@mrtorbert]

What were your before and after measurements of apob?

[@TangoMasterclass]

So happy for you!

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

good example of applying sci info to individual circumstance! thanks for sharing

[@skorpers]

I also have the question of what the before and after measurements were.

[@larryc1616]

This is expected but everyone is different so how much these levels go up will vary.

[@leeduli]

Dr. Greger's daily dozen has been instrumental in me staying healthy and getting the nutrients I need as a vegan. Thank you for fact checking him and keeping us all informed; I've always had the feeling he was motivated. Your videos are the best I've seen on youtube for fact-based and balanced nutrition information.

[@harbingerbk9778]

I'd say Plant Chompers and this channel are the top 2 💯

[@leeduli]

@@harbingerbk9778 Agreed! Plant Chompers self describes himself as a "vegan" and always uses terms like "plant forward diet" and has admitted fish are health promoting. the ethical and environmental reasons to avoid fish are paramount as Gil mentioned at the end of this video. We are only lying to people if we say consuming fish is unhealthy.

[@MetallicAddict15]

@@harbingerbk9778 You speak facts, my friend.

[@lenguyenngoc479]

Chris prepresents the science in a funny and easy to understand way. He also has contacts with scientists who knew the behind the scene works and told the tale.

[@maimai-bd2iw]

@@harbingerbk9778 I didn't know about this channel before, the videos are fun and educational, thank you a lot!

[@sirgaymeerkat1994]

Dr Gregor grandmother reversed her heart disease after she was sent home to die at the age of 65 and she died age 95 after changing her diet and going for long walks. There are many people getting better on a low fat high fiber diet, with exercise.

[@xmonikerhotmailcom]

Anecdotal evidence, lowest form of evidence.

[@katiephillips5360]

Thank you so much for the clarity and sanity. So no highly processed, junky, chemical laden food. Just whole food as clean as I can afford. Don’t overeat. Try to not stress. A little exercise everyday. Sounds like my Grandmother’s lifestyle and she lived beyond 100 years. Thanks, Dr Gil! Your videos have set me free from the overwhelming confusion. 😊

[@vtheb1299]

Yes the reality is that it's really a no brainer but the problem is that you can sum it all up in one sentence, as you did, and one cannot make money on that basic information - neither from supplements nor a KZbin channel, nor a book. Just like your grandma didn't need "experts" to tell her all that, it's basic common sense. And it's not profitable. So both sides of the argument who have a monetary stake in it go to extremes.

[@robertusga]

Michael Greger helped me turn my horrible diet around to a healthier one. Gil Carvalho helped me see that when it comes to health claims, we should focus on outcome based data from quality studies in humans and not trying to bend / misrepresent those studies to fit a certain agenda. Thanks Gil!

[@skholiwemngometulu7619]

well said !

[@Primal391]

I’m sure any diet would have been better than the one you were on from the sounds of it.

[@robertusga]

@Adam H ah, so you knew what I was eating. Go on.

[@Primal391]

@@robertusga not sure I can make it any simpler for you.

[@robertusga]

@Adam H you mean you can't make it even more vague to make it have even less meaning? Possibly true.

[@TangoMasterclassCom]

Thanks to Dr. Gregers book "How not to Die" I learnt that I did not NEED to eat dairy and eggs to stay healthy. Ethically I did not want to eat dairy and eggs, because they cause the same amount of suffering and death as the meat industry, but I was convinced I needed to eat this to stay healthy as a vegetarian. Dr. Greger explains very clearly how we can be healthy eating only plants. He is NOT a vegan, btw. He clearly states so in his book. And here is an anecdote again: going from vegetarian diet to whole food plant based diet made such an improvement in the health of our entire family. I never eat meat in my life (for ethical reasons) and the idea of eating corpses is just insane to me, something I have never done and will never do. I don't care if eating a bit of meat every now and then is unhealthy or not (we all know by now that it is about the overall diet pattern). As long as humans can stay healthy without eating meat, that is what we should go for. It is not sustainable to breed and feed so many animals on this planet for food.

[@benoitseguin625]

Congrats l agree with you completely and you're not alone in the way you see things. Too bad more just don't get it. You will live longer and healthier on a plant base diet.

[@mikenco]

"eating corpses" - it's that kind of hyperbole that puts people off talking to some vegans. Seriously, if you're going to champion a cause, be respectful of both sides of the argument. I'm here trying to find out more about plant-based diets and when I read things like that, it makes me think that when you stop eating meat and diary, you go slightly ga-ga.

[@mikenco]

@@benoitseguin625 You will live longer if you're lucky enough to have good genetics too. It's not all about diet. On my Mother's side of the family, most people to be quite old. Not so much on the other side.

[@joysegars9399]

I appreciate your objectivity! My husband and I are 66 and 67 and we eat mostly plant based with rare nibbles of cheese and desserts when at dinner parties or traveling. He goes on 50 mile bike rides and does yoga, sit ups, and push ups, and I exercise moderately but regularly (mostly walking, sit ups, and easy push ups). We are on no prescription medications except I take a very low dose of thyroid medication even though my numbers are in the low normal range. We recently got our NAD tested through Do Not Age and it was at the level of teenagers! I assume that’s related to our diet and exercise, but I suppose it could be genetic. I’m not saying one has to be vegetarian or vegan to have a much younger biological age, but I think that cutting out all or most meat, chicken, and fish simply leaves more room on your plate and in your stomach for beans, vegetables, and fruits. We do take a supplement for vegans (Complement Plus, no affiliation) with B12, D3, K2, magnesium, iodine, DHA/EPA, selenium, and zinc. It’s no coincidence that the best known Harvard professor, lifespan researcher, and author Dr. David Sinclair is vegetarian. He and Dr. Greger might not be perfect, but I think they’re both on to something when it comes to diet. And why kill animals when you simply don’t have to in order to be very strong and healthy?

[@joysegars9399]

PS: We eat 95% organic, too.

[@ceolbeats7182]

Well said👍🏽

[@MT-zs6rg]

"and why kill animals when you dont have too in order to be strong and healthy?" Vegans kill the same amount of animals omnivores do. Do you have an idea of how many small mammals die during the harvesting of crops? Or.maybe your logic is that a cow's life is equals to the lives of hundreds of.mice. Mice, hares, birds, etc are all killed by the billions by the agricultural industry

[@Wen6543]

Nice Joey, it looks like you and your husband are doing fantastic. Unfortunately for some us vegetarian diets are not a choice, i´m highly intolerant to many carbohydrates and all the omnivore and vegan diets i tried only made my health worse and worse, tried everything for almost 30 years just to end up near death (don´t pitty me, i still made a lot with my life and now i´m doing more than ever), i lost so much time and health and it was all about the diet, only animal products, some green leaf vegetales and water fully nourish me. I always say that people should make their diet based on their real needs and not in their ethics, if we have to eat animals then there is nothing wrong with that, is our natural position in the trophic system.

[@mountaingoattaichi]

I am in diabetes prevention in a Native American community in the US, and I find your channel immensely helpful. Thank you!

[@greensmoothieparty]

My mom is not statistically significant or peer reviewed but her experience has had real significance among her circle of friends and family. 2 1/2 years ago, my 80 year old mother finally had a follow up appointment with her physician which was delayed for months because her doctor has been in charge of treating Covid patients in the hospital and in nursing homes and was not able to meet with her. She had a full blood panel taken for this visit and her doctor was astounded at the progress she had made during the last year. She is now no longer diabetic and she was instructed to stop taking insulin after having been on it for 12 years. Her doctor also praised her kidney function which has never looked better. Also, she couldn't believe that her total cholesterol was only 139, with LDL of 67, HDL of 60, and triglycerides of 82 which is a big improvement for her. According to the Framingham Heart Study, these numbers mean that she is virtually "heart attack proof" as many plant based doctors have noted. Her physician (Johns Hopkins med school grad) mentioned that she is reconsidering the diet for her family based on this experience. She also asked my mom to share her experience with our community after the pandemic. All of these results are exactly what I had hoped would occur. Here is the menu that I had developed for her to try to mimic what she was used to eating -> GSP Mother's Menu - While this menu is not a pure whole foods plant based diet, it appears to be health promoting enough to work for her. I plugged her bloodwork test values into the Levine Biological Age Calculator and she has aged minus 15 years during the last 3 years. I joke with her that she may be required to give up her Social Security benefits if she keeps going like that. My understanding is that low carb diets are a workaround that do not address the root cause of diabetes which is excess intramyocellular lipids (also fatty liver/pancreas) and the resulting insulin resistance. Excess saturated fats and refined sugar/flour are the most common cause of this metabolic system failure. Unless a person can eat whole food complex carbs again without a prolonged spiking of their blood sugar, type 2 diabetes has not been reversed. Cheers! ps - She was able to get off of all blood pressure medications after 3 years, tapering off so as not to over-medicate which is dangerous because it can deprive tissues of necessary oxygen and nutrients.

[@nancy9478]

@@greensmoothieparty carbs, plants in any form raise inflamation markers. Meat based is the only thing that stopped my fatty liver, diabetes, hives and arthritis.

[@karlhungus5554]

@Mountain Goat Tai Chi - Have you seen the following channel? If not, it might be worth considering. *Mastering Diabetes* www.youtube.com/@MasteringDiabetes

[@tyronmegawatts6580]

@@nancy9478 I am the opposite, plants work for me.

[@mountaingoattaichi]

@@greensmoothieparty thanks for sharing your experiences

[@LifeOptimise]

What about the The Esselstyn Heart Disease Program at Cleveland Clinic that’s been reversing heart disease for over 10 years and is based on plant based nutrition training and coaching alone? For the past ten years at Cleveland Clinic, over 1,000 patients have participated in Dr. Esselstyn’s program . . . why would a clinic as large as the Cleveland clinic carry on these programs and put their name to something that didn’t have results and research behind it? ‘Five of the 24 patients in Dr. Esselstyn’s initial study were told by cardiologists that they had less than a year to live. Yet, 12+ years later after following the Esselstyn Program they survived symptom free. Symptoms diminished (and often disappeared) within eight to 12 weeks of starting the program. Within months, these dramatic changes occurred: Cholesterol lowered: Patients’ average total cholesterol levels dropped from 246 mg/dL to 137 mg/dL. No cardiac events: Before the study, the patients had 49 cardiac events (coronary bypass surgery, angioplasties, etc.). None of the patients who adhered to the eating plan experienced a cardiac event within 12 years of follow-up. Excellent angiograms: Patients’ angiograms showed a widening of the coronary arteries - a reversal of heart disease.’ I would bet a LOT of money on anyone with heart problems having a complete reversal of their symptoms if they adopt a 100% whole food plant based diet. There is no money in nutrition research so all we are ever going to get are small scale studies and anecdotal evidence, but there are stacks of these small scale studies. We need some more brave hospitals and health care providers like the Cleveland clinic to run these programs in every hospital around the world and the mountains of evidence will become too large to ignore and hopefully one day make it onto the governments nutrition guidelines and into doctors prescription guidelines 🤦‍♂️🤯🤯🤯 . . . we can dream!

[@delwoodkelp8590]

Too bad you left out a KEY element of those 24 patients in that Esselstyn study. They were ALL on statins along with their dieitary changes. A point that so many fail to even be aware of. BTW, his later published article on the larger study, of over 170 participants, nearly ALL of them were on statins. Regarding your "betting a lot of money" that ANYONE following Esselstyn's program would have " complete reversal of their symptoms" Sorry but you'll absolutely lose that bet.

[@LifeOptimise]

​@@delwoodkelp8590 Yes they were on statins but so are many people who later end up having a heart attack or triple bypass surgery I don't see what your point is? They were given 1 year to live DESPITE being on statins already . . . statins don't cure heart disease, they just manage symptoms and attempt to prevent a worsening onset of the disease by taking more and more statins while people continue to clog up their arteries by consuming more and more artery clogging foods (animal products). They can't not put people on statins and just hope they follow his diet 100% because most people are stupid and don't listen. Why would a credible hospital like the Cleveland clinic continue with this program if it had no benefit? Don't you think they took a massive risk and probably experienced massive backlash even introducing it? If it wasn't a huge success it would have been removed immediately wouldn't it!??

[@peterpan408]

Also even if the V diet was a positive factor in the program, it does not mean the V diet is the only dietary solution.. Beating SAD is easy.. pick a more difficult comparison 😉

[@Alan-71351]

False!😂​@@delwoodkelp8590

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Red meat consumption started to go down only from 1979. Before that, it only went up. And its not like meat consumption dropped, it increased substantially. People just started to eat more chicken. Meat consumption from 1979 went up by 1/3rd.

[@asarcadyn2414]

So are you saying chicken causes heart disease and red meat doesn't?

[@Dan16673]

Spot on

[@peterpan408]

Chicken is protein.. but is not nutrient dense. It's the protein powder of meats!

[@russell3038]

Fantastic work done on this video - really helped me out. Super confused with nutrition, and this video highlights many reasons as to why that is likely the case for many of us (my doctor said the same thing to me as we discussed cholesterol). You have a new subscriber!

[@C2C.]

Thanks again for your continued evidenced-based discussions. While I agree that Dr. Gregor could have done a better job in presenting his arguments, it's clear that Ivor Cummings was engaged in systematic factual misrepresentation and distortions to an egregious degree. This video would have been better presented as a review of the flaws in this type of sensational media "debate," as well as the types flaws and fallacies debaters will resort to. A better way to address Dr. Greger's positions would be to review a compilation of comments he's made in his videos. Here, most of the problematic claims were actually made by Cummings.

[@jacobgise2479]

I cannot say enough positive comments about your comprehensive breakdown. Well done sir!

[@garyb9565]

First of all, great video as always. Secondly, and more importantly, over the last few years because of some unfortunate circumstances I've watched hundreds and hundreds of videos on nutrition and diet and have read a dozen or more books on the subject, and after all that, I can say that in my opinion this is absolutely the most well-balanced, reasoned and reliably informative nutrition and diet channel on youtube. Keep up the great work.

[@thomashugus5686]

I agree!

[@marcdaniels9079]

Also check out Nurished by Science which is quite new and FANTASTIC

[@Vahe345]

Just wait 4 to 6 years your health will decline. Especially liver and skin.

[@ravelanone9462]

Your voice of reason cuts through the fanaticism that is rampant in dietary recommendations these days. Always educational and always appreciated! Muito obrigada!

[@jamessullenriot]

This was a painful “debate”. But what should we expect for a quick hit segment on morning tv?

[@selfinflictedjoy]

I suffer from Hyperinsulinemia. I was exercising 5 days a week for 6 months. No weight loss. I couldn't understand why until I tested my insulin. A year ago my fasting insulin was 316 pmol/L. I went low carb and within 8 months went down to 141 pmol/L started to lose weight. I decided in July to start a plant-based diet. I would eat chicken or fish on the weekend. But mostly ate legumes, whole grains, sweet potatoes, taro ( inhames in Portuguese), farro, etc. Very whole food nothing white except for potatoes within 2 months my insluin went up to 168 pmol/L then in November it was at 214...this was enough to convince me that a plant-based diet is not or me. I am now back to eating low carb and mentally and physically I'm feeling much better. The problem with nutrition is that people like Dr Greger and Dr Davis believe that all would benefit from a plant-based diet. The truth is find what works for you. With Hyperinsulinemia, I have found what works for me.

[@BM1982.V2]

Most of the studies show that low carb has a great effect on insulin levels for the first 2 years but then they start going up again. When you cut out carbs your insulin levels are going to be lower cause your not eating anything that affects blood sugar levels but it's only for the short term till the insulin sensitivity catches up to you. Your only controlling the symptoms of insulin sensitivity, not the root cause so that can be why it's a temporary improvement rather than a long term fix. The longer someone eats low carb the more there insulin will spike when eating any healthy carbs at all. Whole food plant based diets your eating more carbs so your insulin will be higher at the beginning, that's fully expected, but your insulin sensitivity improves over time so your working at the root cause of the issue, as your insulin sensitivity improves your insulin comes down over time. As long as you truly aren't eating a bunch of junk food along with those whole foods. If you eat a high carb food and your insulin spikes then you haven't really cured any of your sensitivity issues. So low carb your markers may improve temporarily but over the long term that's not what studies show is best. Look at some longer term studies with insulin levels, ones that go beyond 2 years and you'll see what I'm talking about. I believe plant chompers has some good videos on this that looks at these studies if I remember correctly if you'd rather see the studies presented in video format instead of reading. Like Gil, he also has a more science background way of presenting info and is more balanced than many other KZbinrs are.

[@selfinflictedjoy]

@@BM1982.V2 You mention some good points and I will try to address them. I've been eating healthy carbs most of my life and still had ( unbestowed to me ) high insulin levels that made losing weight difficult. First, I need to clarify that my low carb diet is not Keto. I have not done Keto simply because I know many who have tried and for them and myself is not a long term method; unless you have epilepsy. Also I know many who have done Keto and have led them to eating disorders. With that said I do not question the effects for others who have done and live a Keto diet. My point is that we are all different and we need to find what works for you (us). I have been a chubby to obese person most of my life. I would say that I have eaten a carb based diet but they have been healthy carbs… sweet potatoes, chickpeas, whole grains (love manna bread) etc... I have also tried to reduce the amount of meat I eat. I live by the motto if I can kill it I eat it. So I hunt Duck and Turkey and I’ll eat chicken and fish and eat Tofu. If I’m invited to a friend’s house and they have pork or red meat I will eat it out of respect. I digress - I don’t believe this would be the best forum to have an ethical discussion on eating animals. I stay between 80-100 grams of carbs minus about 40g of fibre. I still enjoy Chickpeas, Navy beans in moderation and recently enjoying Black Soybeans. For me to get the amount of required protein without eating moderate amount of animal based meat, I would have to increase my consumptions of legumes and other carb heavy foods which would increase my insulin as it has been for many years… and I don’t eat fake meat and I won’t just consume large amounts of Tofu. We are all different and stating that a plant-based diet will save all from CVD, Hyperinsulinemia, Diabetes, etc…is a fallacy and Dr. Gil Carvalho discusses this here. I can find many studies that contradict and confirm your clam of long-term Low Carb and IR… Nutritional Science is not a one size fits all, we are all different and react differently to food. So the claim carbs "over time" did not work for me as I mentioned I always ate healthy carbs.

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

@@BM1982.V2 that's an awful lot of writing for no proof my friend. What are your credentials for these claims? Or are you just spouting things you've heard?

[@kenfuciusfpv2800]

Once you achieve your goal on the meat based diet, you might try the plant based again but nix the starch such as potatoes. I'm in a similar situation now. I've followed the carnivore way to try to isolate an unknown food reaction that I'm sure is in some plant or refined food I was eating, and I'm now trying to figure out how to add plants and reduce red meat without buying canned beans, etc. I know potatoes are pure starch (under the skin) so I'm thinking of limiting that. I don't know how to cook beans not from a can and I'm not really a good cook anyway, but I know the cook up meat. Like you, I'm trying to figure out how to get off the meat, have a low apob, and keep all the weight off. Any suggestions for either of us I'm sure would be welcome.

[@mpoharper]

@@BM1982.V2 I’m not sure what study you are talking about. I have been low carb for many years because I was insulin resistant. My insulin stays nice and low and the variability in my glucose is small.

[@rosegirl9874]

I just found your channel and I’m so happy I did! I’ve been searching for unbiased nutrition information. I find so much nutrition education to be founded in an ethical stance (ethical vegan, HAES) and it’s hard to find information that is based in science. Thanks for your work!

[@MichaelGGarry]

GBNews is the UK version of Fox news. Theres a reason they want a debate in easy boxes like that.....

[@flvflv4712]

wow...i can smell a snob elitist pretending to be leftist...i am wrong?

[@flvflv4712]

and i will also add...in MSM (aka leftist media) debates aren't even a thing. it's conform or be labelled bigot nazi fascist etc

[@sammavitae114]

Yup simple minds love a cartoon world, where there are only either or choices.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Yeah, that's not a good thing

[@masher1042]

To quote Michael Pollen. "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." 🙏

[@monicapoole2115]

Just had your channel show up in my feed. Good info here. I really like your level headed look at this debate. Subscribed. Looking forward to more programs.

[@aesahettr]

oh my god i'm just through the first 20 minutes and it's staggering how superior you and your format are compared to what you were commenting, thank you for making these videos

[@cyc00000]

I couldn't agree more, this is the sole reason why I stopped watching the other Dr. G.

[@alane3983]

Greger, Ornish, Esselstyn, Campbell , etc have been my anchors in the stormy journey to plant based eating. And in general, I am still convinced of the health advantages of excluding meat, not to mention the environmental advantages as well. All the diet type advocates agree on getting processed foods out. So there is no controversy there. I appreciate your very calm and well reasoned analysis of the various positions. I appreciate your sound reviews of the evidence that these guys use to support their messages. It really helps to temper my arguments when discussing diet with family and friends. The further I get into this, the less entrenched I am. In the end, we really can’t say for sure what killed us if we didn’t die in an accident.

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

Maybe. Heart disease is still the 1# killer in the US. Greger is a clear winner when it comes to your heart and cardiovascular health. We can still stay alive with losing our health from other damaged organs like kidneys or liver, just to name 2. All of the above suffer from a bad heart. Slam dunk, IMO.

[@alane3983]

@@patrickvanmeter2922 I think Greger says that heart disease is still the number one killer of vegans. Not good enough to be plant based. You have to be whole foods plant based to reduce those risks. Being strictly whole foods is the most difficult for me. Giving up meat was super easy.

[@davesmith826]

@@patrickvanmeter2922 I take it you failed to watch the video. There's an entire section on CVD and Greger does *not* offer a convincing justification for his take on it.

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

@@alane3983 I think Loma Linda in northern California is the best example. 7th Day Adventists seem to live the longest.

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

@@davesmith826 CVD is what destroys the heart. Greger convinced me.

[@unholyquail4560]

Look Greger is a bit extreme in his statements and he goes a bit too far in his enthousiasm and conviction. However his books are exelent introduction of How not to die and Diet.. Alot of people can really learn alot from what the modern diet does to your odds of pathology and how they do that. Golden source of information in my opinion. Just needs al little less edge to it.

[@JW4REnvironment]

I like your overall assessment of Dr. Greger's contributions to public understanding!

[@cathypaulino2153]

I like him just the way he is.

[@PlantbasedSilvi]

Ich finde es extrem Tiere zu essen.

[@chrissy739]

A whole food plantbased diet really helped improve my immune system and my lung issues. My bloods are great. So if you can be healthy on a plantbased diet and that type of food is available to you why would you choose one that hurts animals and the planet?

[@738hickory]

You can eat a lot of animal products without killing the animals. Eggs, stone crab claws, butter, milk, yogurt, cheese, etc.

[@systemsoversymptomsvisionw9806]

Great video, and I agree. My anecdote: At age 41 I had a heart attack. In the hospital, I was then also diagnosed with diabetes with an A1C of 7.2. My triglycerides were 13. My total cholesterol was 212.7mg/DL and my LDL was 243.6mg/dL. I resisted ALL the medications prescribed for me and went on a whole-foods plant-based diet with nearly zero oils. I cured my diabetes in weeks. My LDL cholesterol went down to 104.4mg/dL (a drop of nearly 140 points!!!). After those results, I continued to lose weight until I tapered off at a BMI of 21.3. I have kept all of that weight off for over 2.5 years now, without even trying. I love my body now. I look and feel great. My gout disappeared. My sleep apnea disappeared. My diabetes has never returned. My chronic heartburn disappeared. My average blood pressure is 115/75 despite having a high-stress job that does crank that up during periods of high stress. Often, I test at 110/70. My mood has been much more stable. I've been happy for the first time in a many years. I did great on all my stress tests. I remain on NO medications at all. I ran a marathon and my cardio level is very good without trying much. It's been an amazing journey. The reason some people on this diet can seem pushy at times is that they get passionate about spreading the news! Eventually, after 2 years of just this diet, and walking a lot, I started lifting weights. I don't feel sore after a workout, or the next day, or the day after that. It's pretty wild, because in the old days while eating meat I would be very sore after intense workouts. I have hit my maximum bicep curl weight, for example, and have had no trouble building this muscle mass, and never feel sore. ... Anyway, this video is great and I agree with the points made, but sometimes you have to go with what appears the most sensible on a balance of evidence. In my opinion, that's a diet primarily based on whole plant foods. Add a LITTLE animal protein? Maybe... but then you also have to consider things like the bacteria that raw chicken brings into your house, etc. I don't think you need meat or fish for any reason.... I choose to stick to a WFPB diet, but will keep tabs as science develops, always being wary of who FUNDED the studies as well...

[@felixbonneau1834]

It's called losing weight

[@brentsweitzer]

It's true that Dr. Greger can exaggerate in some of his claims. But I suspect he's motivated to do so by the massive multi-billion dollar animal and processed food industry he's up against. He's a physician who took the hippocratic oath and he sees how much industry influence (big food, big pharma, supplements, etc) has corrupted research and the common sense application of healthy lifestyle emphasis in doctor/patient relationships. I had a heart attack nearly 6 years ago and neither the cardiologist nor any of the support professionals even mentioned (much less emphasized) the role of a mostly plant-based diet could have in preventing heart disease. Eating alot of animal products and very little fiber is the status quo in America. Dr. Greger's evangelistic 'house on fire' approach does ruffle some feathers, but it also gets people attention and also highlights the money that plays a huge role in American nutritional guidance. His approach got my attention and I feel confident the diet changes I've made because of his 'extreme' approach will add years to my life.

[@breno3635]

Best nutrition channel on youtube hands down. Thank you for your work Gil!

[@alansnyder8448]

I was on a quest to find good information about diet choices, and after bouncing around the Internet and KZbin hearing the gurus of different "diet tribes" argue in pseudo-scientific ways for specific diets with this channel I feel like I've found my home. Thank you to the author of this channel for going straight to the studies with a truly scientific attitude which is clear about what we currently know and don't know about diets. I've just subscribed and will be a follower from this point forward.

[@tubingtonite]

The founder of the Atkins Diet (Meat , Eggs, Dairy,, Etc) cause of death was not known for a time until his wife finally felt it was her responsibility to the public to admit he died of a heart attack and had severe blockage throughout his body. Important to always remember is plant base is always the staple food in the Blue Zones, and very little meat(The longest living people in the world). Hard to argue against that.

[@harbingerbk9778]

"You can get hella plants on all kinds of different diets that are not vegetarian." 😅 I absolutely love your videos Dr. Gil!! So entertaining and balanced and well presented and researched.

[@harbingerbk9778]

Cannot get over how entertaining and well done this commentary is. Absolutely amazing Dr. Gil 👏👏👏

[@carinaekstrom1]

They have to have very high amounts of whole plants in them, though.

I believe “Gil” is his first name and “Carvalho” his last name. So it should be “Dr. Carvalho.”

[@ThisGuyRocksLikeCrazy]

Most likely he's from San Francisco bay area.

[@harbingerbk9778]

@ haha thanks but I know this! I just find "Dr. Carvalho" sounds too formal and "Gil" sounds too familiar so I compromise 🙃

[@im2old4this2]

The Caldwell Esselstyn program kept people alive who had been left for dead by their cardiologists - pretty amazing study.

[@lashedbutnotleashed1984]

A study so haphazardly done is far from amazing.

[@im2old4this2]

@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 amazing is subjective but most people think bringing people left for dead back to living a healthy life is amazing. It may not have been the best "study" but it was most definitely amazing - especially for the people who were told they were going to be dead long ago.

[@lashedbutnotleashed1984]

@@im2old4this2 If you actually read the study, you will find it is full of flaws. People were still taking medication, so it is impossible to say the diet was what prolonged any lives instead of the meds. It was mostly an anecdotal study with very little scientific proof. Esselstyn's study is seen as somewhat of a joke among most scientists.

[@im2old4this2]

@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 where did I claim it was flawless? It is clear that the diet had significant positive impacts on the health outcomes of all of the participants who remained compliant, even if it wasn't the only factor. Each of them extended their life expectancy and improved their health.

[@SchgurmTewehr]

Amazing outcome but scientifically speaking, from the evidence in the study it’s not good at all, let alone amazing. Gil gave good arguments against it and explained the weak evidence, you haven’t made any objections other than emotion and caring for humans in your comment. I am not inclined to discuss it with you or eve repeat the arguments. Again, yes the outcome it humanly amazing, but scientifically speaking, evidently it’s far from amazing .

[@Francois-vw2by]

I really appreciate your videos, thanks a lot!. I was wondering if you could do one about blood work, how often one should do it, and which markers too look out for (besides ApoB of course ;). This might be different by age group etc.

[@michaeljohnson3383]

You're killing it in your analysis of this "debate". I wish we had more voices like yours in the field of nutritional advice rather than the polarising pundits who seem to garner all the attention.

[@llicit1833]

I always think Blue Zones populations (mostly but not exclusively plant based) make a pretty good model as something that has worked in the real world. And initially they were just looking for the communities with the highest longevity and healthspans. The fact that all five populations just happened to have such an emphasis on unprocessed largely plant based diet seems quite compelling.

[@toomanymarys7355]

None of those communities except the Adventists have any vegetarians. So no.

[@wreckedbmwguy9925]

@@toomanymarys7355except that in pretty much every blue zone, the vast majority of the diet is plant based. They may not be 100% plant based, but they aren’t far from it.

[@joemontgomery860]

@@toomanymarys7355the blue zones were primarily whole food plant based diets. “Primarily” - any animal products were minimal and certainly not factory farmed like today.

[@Claude_van_Kloten]

@@joemontgomery860Minimal? No. Around 30%.

[@terry2346]

The increase in Refined sugar intake, especially high fructose corn syrup, and the increase of highly refined carbs might also have a fair amount to do with the increase in CV disease. Certainly reducing sugar in the diet helps many to control type 2 diabetes.

[@BBSaar]

Wow! Thank you so much for these clarifications. I appreciate your repeated call for "balance of evidence" as well as your comments about inferences (e.g., ascribing "cause" to associative links), exaggerations, "appeals to authority" instead of data, and the pitfalls of flawed interpretations. I found you by Googling 'Fact-check How Not to Age' and immediately subscribed to your channel. Absolutely vital information.

[@primalvegan3072]

In my experience, most people who aren't vegans refer to EVERY other diet as "meat based". It's SO GOOD to hear you outright state that omnivore diets aren't "meat based".

[@tnargs57]

....except in the eyes of most omnivores themselves, who generally refer to their meals by their meat: "I had roast beef for dinner last night, sausages tonight, and a ham sandwich for lunch tomorrow." So it's not just the vegans doing it! 😄

[@bubblebrainbow]

This is not a showdown I'm prepared for, oh God

[@Ermude10]

Thanks for this video Gil! Really appreciated!

[@marshcreek4355]

This is crazy. The fact your channel is only hovering atound 150k subscribers makes no sense. You provide the best information hands down. The best medical channel out there. Keep pushing as folks truly need this remarkable content.

[@lainrich]

Wow, you, my friend, present a voice of reason in the very charged, muddled and murky waters of nutrition. I recently completed a certificate in nutrition with someone who shares your analytical skills. He presented facts, not emotion. He drove home the point that for every study showing meat and dairy consumption is "bad" for you, there will be another showing you that it is "good" for you. He stressed that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to conduct a blind, randomized study on nutrition with a control group. Thanks for helping to clarify what we can prove and disprove. You have a new subscriber.

[@Pyriphlegeton]

TV segment: 7 mins This video: 45 mins Sadly the average person will watch the former, at most :D Wonderful content as always, however!

[@funkycivilista6191]

You my friend have the ability to be very clear in your descriptions and in talking in general. It's a delight to listen to you. No wonder you have that KZbin button standing in the background :-)

[@SherryEllesson]

"I have friends who are automotive engineers for GM...and that's why you should listen to me about what's wrong with your car." yuh, right. I've actually gone into Greger's database and read a good number of studies myself. What I learned in my Nutrition classes was that size of sample, length, whether or not it's randomized double-blind, mitigating factors, and how the numbers are presented go into what the peer reviews look like. Greger is one of several giants in the field of plant-based nutrition, others being T. Colin Campbell (The China Study), Esselstyn, and McDougall. We might not like what they're saying about the effects of including animal proteins and fats in our diets, but we can't brush them aside, either.

[@chrisr.6638]

All you really need is to open your eyes see how they all look like from the walking dead

[@decifal]

ive noticed this fact too honestly

[@sophiekarnak3936]

@@chrisr.6638 Campbell and Esselstyn are nearly 90 and McDougall and Klaper are mid-70s, yet they are all still fit, healthy, and active. Rip Esselstyn is seriously buff at nearly 60 and looks better than the vast majority of American men who are 20 years younger. Saying that 75-90 yr old vegan doctors don't look great is not the insult you think it is.

[@chrisr.6638]

@@sophiekarnak3936 They all look severely malnourished and mcdougall's brain is gone

[@ceolbeats7182]

@@chrisr.6638 Have you seen Nimai Delgado, Clarence Kennedy, Patrick Baboulan 🤣

[@gobdogg]

I really enjoy your hard work to really show what the science is and how it's apparent inconsistencies are (often) due to the design of the studies. Thanks for bringing reality to the world of nutritional evangelists. Such clarity is rare in a world where everyone is trying so sell their recipe for the ultimate diet. Thank you.

[@jemima4567]

Thank goodness we have you to rationalise these debates. You are the best!

[@ScenicWanders]

Such great content :) studying nutrition science myself and this is very sound and satisfyingly researched advice. Thank you

[@CP-ov3ir]

Finally, someone with some common sense to question what Gregor is saying. Thank you for pointing out so many red herrings.

[@Weazelmania]

I find it hard to debunk Dr. Greger. I followed his advice and despite now getting older, i have never felt younger and better. Even my doctor was impressed in turn around of bloods and weight.

[@lint8391]

I agree. Plant based eating and reducing consumption of junk and semi junk has a lot to be said for it.

[@reasonablevegan]

I love Greger as well. But it doesn’t mean he’s right about everything. Seems like he might be wrong about olive oil and a couple other things. But maybe not. I own all his books and he has been a big influence on my life.

[@benoitseguin625]

l agree with you the same here l went on his plant-base diet and bang weight gone, off all meds, all labs perfect. In my opinion there is a lot to what he states. l would have to agree with him, so much so l bought all his books. My health is 100 times better than it was before. Meat eaters have it wrong as my dad and mom ate meat 3 times a day and died young from heart problems so sorry l'll stick with this way of eating as l feel amazing. And just maybe l'll live longer and healthier. My doctor was so impressed she wanted to know what changed so she can tell others to check it out. Lynn

[@jamesmcbeth4463]

Strangely enough, I had anemia, rheumatoid arthritis and acid reflux that all mysteriously went away after going plant based.

[@techvlad8736]

Thank you for providing and teaching us how to view “experts” views especially when they bring up studies.

[@AG-ld6rv]

If I had to guess (and it would be a guess), vegetarianism is often done by a person who has a desire to be healthy. I bet many people who go vegetarian are also doing other things like exercising more -- at least more than the group of people who just eat whatever they want. I'd bet they also smoke less tobacco and drink less alcohol. I come to this point often when I see a quick and dirty study showing an association. It reads "People who care about their health seem to have fewer health problems." Well, yes...

[@timclancy871]

You are very good at picking apart people's pet arguments in a fair and balanced way. I always get something from watching your KZbins. Keep up the good, fair and honest work. This scientifically illiterate punter deeply appreciates it.

[@adamk7665]

Great channel. You do a superb job of debunking fallacies on both extremes of the nutrition debate. Because of your information, I've reduced my saturated fat and cholesterol consumption and my LDL levels dropped to a normal range.

[@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094]

How about switching to dog flesh? Much healthier than cow or pig flesh.

[@pjaworek6793]

Thank you, I love the clarity and insight, on both the medical details and debate quality.

[@aleksandrl6740]

Can't thank you enough for your conscientious, assiduous and nuanced evaluations. You are stellar at separating the signal from the noise. Thank you!

Greger's videos helped me very much when I went vegan but this debate was a disaster... Thankfully the other guy wasn't that much better...

[@Amy-tl2xe]

This is the first video of yours I have seen, and I subscribed as a result. I like your rational approach. Thank you.

[@craiglowden5995]

Wow,Thanks Doc. Great informative analysis. I've learned a lot today

[@00bikeboy]

Very helpful analysis, thank you.

[@leeh9520]

You are my go to guy your information is so well presented fair and fact based love your videos

[@ugofatcat]

Just discovered your channel. You did a great job with this video.

[@ironsentinel5847]

Ive looked at the paper regarding the med diet but cannot find said details on the diet itself. Can anyone help me with details on what food plans the participants were eating? thanks

[@shonaschonning9949]

Thank you for a rare, balanced, discussion of the science on a subject that has well-intentioned people slipping on the science to defend the side they've been polarized to. I'm a mostly plant-based eater - and I truly appreciate your objectivity.

[@cicciomattese]

objectivity? he deny (or doesn't know) benefit vegan diet. For example m diabet. Vegans have less diabetes and vegan diet Is more procreative aslo than diet of Diabete association. Then he Is so critic against Greger and not against other that promuove a diet against every evidence and raccomandation.

[@anamimi18]

@@cicciomattese you can eat lots of junk on any diet - vegan or not, ultra processed foods are promoting a lot of diseases, i'd say if you cut these out - you're doing yourself a great service. plant-based too btw.

[@vtheb1299]

​@@cicciomatteseit sounds like we watched different videos. Heck sugar is vegan. Coke is vegan. There's tons more processed junk that's vegan. Blanket statements like yours are destined to be false by definition.

[@bigjay1970]

I literally have watched tens of thousands of hours over the last 15 years I suppose regarding this whole nutrition thing. I would have to say out of all these individuals you're definitely a top five.

[@sO_RoNerY]

Dude, he’s just like those other doctors who claims to know the truth about health. He’s no different. His job is literally to be a KZbinr. Does he even have an office to drive to and a station to study his claims?

[@WilliamRoscoe]

@@sO_RoNerY He's different in many ways: 1. He is not a full time KZbinr. 2. He has a PhD in medicine. 3. He is a full time medical researcher. 4. He usually provides links to the scientific studies he mentions in every video. 5. He has no affiliate links to overpriced products, or any products at all. 6. He has no monthly membership programme to earn extra money. 7. He is not on a personal crusade to convince you that one particular diet is better than all others. 8. When he is not an expert on a topic he invites world renowned experts on that topic onto his channel to educate him and us. 9. He follows the balance of evidence provided by scientific research rather than cherry picking one study and extrapolating that to make "bold claims". 10. He encourages you to challenge him whereas other KZbin "doctors" will generally delete any comments that challenge them. And for those ten reasons alone (and the fact that he's a funny guy) he's by far the best source of information on KZbin regarding nutrition.

[@Bonnie-yu3kj]

@@sO_RoNerY what does having an office to drive to and a station to study his claims at have a thing to do with anything? LOL The points he makes are all backed up by science and he has no agenda to sell. Dr. C gives a very fair, unbiased view on the many claims made by others who do have an agenda and something to sell. I don't know what more you want "dude".

[@CitizenTurtleIsland]

Thank you. I fell into a rabbit hole over the past 24 hours. It was a Dr. Greger rabbit hole! (Worried about an upcoming visit to check my increasing HDL and Total cholesterol levels at 62. I suspect that is related to ageing mostly (and possibly increased inflammation... so many things cropping up like Rosacea, Dupuytren contracture, etc.) as I exercise, eat mostly plants already (throughout my lifespan to date), etc.). -- Good to have somone offer some counterpoint. - I think I will rely on common sense. Eat more plants, keep your body moving, avoid highly processed foods. Stuff like that. I am NOT going to continue agonizing over whether or not I can drink milk in my tea or eat a few eggs each week.

[@holasoyjose9683]

Your analysis is brilliant, I have been impressed. This should be common but it is a rarity. Analyzing like this should be taught in schools, and this type of analysis should be done normally in all debates and programs. I'm going to subscribe to your channel

[@scottcrosby9827]

50% of the comments: "In response to your clearly stated quality hierarchy of evidence, I will now give an anecdotal account of how my favorite diet is superior to all the others." Hahaha Love this channel and so glad I found it. Keep up the good work!

[@Michael-4]

Don't discount the value of individual responses. n=1 is probably the most useful study by a mile.

[@tilenkoren8244]

Your channel might not grow as fast as the more controversial channels, but i thank you for actually "following the science". And thank you for giving us tools so we can do the same. I wonder if its the nature of the internet that forces creators to shout louder or just human nature that makes hard to take in nuanced information. Whatever the case, I believe you to be on the right side of things.

[@NotAffiliated]

This reminds me of the debate of meat eaters vs vegetarians on Futurama. On the show, the vegetarian guy was mumbling under his breath "shut up shut up shut up shut up" when the meat eater was talking. Lela: "You can survive on just vegetable! It's not natural!" Hippies: " Sure you can! See! We taught a lion to eat tofu!" Lion: "(weakly) Roar, cough cough."

[@patrickreilly7256]

I'm 70yrs 'old. Blessed w good health and the ability to feed on multitudes of wonderous varieties of foods. Only 1st world nincompoops have the gall to argue WHAT kinds of food rather than... is there anything I can eat at all?

[@kiesnutrition2809]

I love your videos so much. Unbiased, not dogmatic, truly science-based. My own way of thinking is always checked and recalculated after every video I watch. Thank you so much for the great content.

[@eazyrat]

id love to hear you and greger iron out some kinks in a chat. Mike the vegan did a video on the ornish study that made it sound quite compelling. thanks

[@angelaasadi9283]

Thank you. You are the much needed voice of reason.

[@NoLimitsNatty]

As always very informative. Thank you.

[@plutotoad203]

The other problem with plants is that they are also less calorically dense. When I used to eat whole food during the day, I could eat two cups of oatmeal, complete with protein and fat, still be hungry about an hour later plus blood sugar spikes vs. bacon/eggs which was way more satisfying. Now, I have Huel twice a day with a dinner at night. I used to have Huel with Silk Almond Vanilla milk and it was good but at the same time, it kind of only "half" filled me up. It would fill me up for about two hours and I kept getting frustrated. Switched to lactose free whole milk and it filled me up for about 6 hours. I just have done experimentations and have always figured out that plants aren't the best at filling you up. I could eat a whole pot of rice and beans for instance but if I had a hamburger it would be more filling.

[@diytwoincollege7079]

I find just the opposite. Oatmeal fills me up and I’m not hungry longer. I do load the oatmeal up with flax meal, chia seeds, hemp seeds, PB2 powder, raisins, and top it with fruit. Either apple or blueberries.

[@plutotoad203]

@@diytwoincollege7079 I used to do that too regarding toppings but still have the same issue.

[@sO_RoNerY]

Then eat more fibre. Just having oatmeal a day, to some, if you’re just starting, is not enough.

[@plutotoad203]

@@sO_RoNerY Lol you think since I used the example of oatmeal, I didn't have any other fiber the entire day? Okay 👍 I had irregularity with fiber, ironically since lowering my intake and upping fat, I'm regular and full so upping fiber can't be true for me

[@toninatoli]

For me, animal protein isn't satiating. Never has been these 62 yrs. I've been eating plant-based, (lots of cooked veg, not a lot of grains, lots of edamame, legumes and beans plus flax, chia, hemp hearts )for 3 weeks and I'm stunned how seldom I'm hungry. The gobsmacking thing though, is processed sugar cravings are virtually gone. Could be the fiber but I got lots of fiber b4. One size does not fit all.

[@klila16]

Vegetarian diets are omnivorous diets. They are selective. Milk and eggs are omnivore foods. Plant based diets are nothing like vegetarian diets in that they have no animal products and are legitimately deficient. Honestly though as someone who was vegetarian from birth to 35 obesity, diabetes, breast cancer, BHP, high blood pressure, vitamin deficiency, IBS, metabolic disease, allergies, hormone dysfunction, constipation all plague vegetarians I know personally including myself. All these diseases they promise we are somehow protected from is not true. Many studies are extremely confounded. Controlled calorie balanced diets are good no matter what. I found especially cannot get enough omega 3 on a lacto vegetarian diet. Some people can’t convert it from plants well enough and you end up with chronic depression. Really sad.

[@PlantbasedSilvi]

Simple vegan Omega 3 from Algae

[@DrDaveND]

Another great video. Thank you for your work.

[@VeganLinked]

Great video Gil! This reminds me of the panel discussion with Campbell, Stoll, Ornish, and Greger on my channel titled "Epic Panel" they discussed the use of the word Reversal. I think Greger does this to get people excited, to make it sexy. Dr Fuhrman does this too. I love Greger's work, it is very inspiring, most inspiring. Fuhrman is very inspiring too. Ideally they could be equivocally as inspiring or more keep things absolutely straight up. But can they, can anyone?

[@VeganLinked]

Here is that video, I think you would dig it kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4C9qqR9i6lkr6s

[@MS45636]

That chart from ivor was embarrassing. Loving this vid so far, more like this please.

[@Donadzea]

Veganism seems very healthy on paper but majority of them quit because of health complications and I do believe it is unfair to mark diet as "healthy" when supplementation is mandatory on it. Also trying to get 2 grams of protein per kg on plant based diet is pretty hard on stomach.

[@cazzawazzadingdong5139]

There was a study done on why "vegans" refrain form being vegan. Top reasons were social pressure (in other words what you're doing now with your bias and falsehoods) and convienience.

[@rayharris1093]

that is wildly wildly untrue, the majority of "them" do not quit, there are big numbers of very very long term vegans, vegetarians and whole cultures, groups, etc that are vegetarian and not all dying in fact many are the most healthy like Loma Linda. Supplements are no more required ( and the only one really b-12 that many meat eaters also are deficient in they just don't ever think about it or are told about it) than they CAN be in any diet depending on the person. You're just talking about people that try it for a fad. Meat eating diet is also not magically healthy just simply abcasue you eat meat and are not trying to have a helathy balanced approach, supplements or eating ALSO many vegetables, grains etc. In fact people that eat too much meat and not enough or no veg have also HUGE health problems, cancers, stomach colon issues, heart disease, many things. Any diet to be healthy needs to actually be healthy. your analysis is like vegans comparing how bad a meat eating diet is by looking at people who only eat McDonald's and KFC.

[@bitfinesse]

2 grams of protein per kg of bodyweight? Where does this come from? Who’s recommendation is that? Some pro-kidney-transplant group?

[@scheuermann11]

There are so many "experts" whose answer to everything is just be Keto or just be vegan, I appreciate your more balanced evidence based approach

[@sO_RoNerY]

Greger has a video on keto.

[@arizonaflute]

MM 10:45 What is the name of the video mentioned? Thanks.

[@greensmoothieparty]

My mom is not statistically significant or peer reviewed but her experience has had real significance among her circle of friends and family. 2 1/2 years ago, my 80 year old mother finally had a follow up appointment with her physician which was delayed for months because her doctor has been in charge of treating Covid patients in the hospital and in nursing homes and was not able to meet with her. She had a full blood panel taken for this visit and her doctor was astounded at the progress she had made during the last year. She is now no longer diabetic and she was instructed to stop taking insulin after having been on it for 12 years. Her doctor also praised her kidney function which has never looked better. Also, she couldn't believe that her total cholesterol was only 139, with LDL of 67, HDL of 60, and triglycerides of 82 which is a big improvement for her. According to the Framingham Heart Study, these numbers mean that she is virtually "heart attack proof" as many plant based doctors have noted. Her physician (Johns Hopkins med school grad) mentioned that she is reconsidering the diet for her family based on this experience. She also asked my mom to share her experience with our community after the pandemic. All of these results are exactly what I had hoped would occur. Here is the menu that I had developed for her to try to mimic what she was used to eating -> GSP Mother's Menu - While this menu is not a pure whole foods plant based diet, it appears to be health promoting enough to work for her. I plugged her bloodwork test values into the Levine Biological Age Calculator and she has aged minus 15 years during the last 3 years. I joke with her that she may be required to give up her Social Security benefits if she keeps going like that. My understanding is that low carb diets are a workaround that do not address the root cause of diabetes which is excess intramyocellular lipids (also fatty liver/pancreas) and the resulting insulin resistance. Excess saturated fats and refined sugar/flour are the most common cause of this metabolic system failure. Unless a person can eat whole food complex carbs again without a prolonged spiking of their blood sugar, type 2 diabetes has not been reversed. Cheers! ps - She was able to get off of all blood pressure medications after 3 years, tapering off so as not to over-medicate which is dangerous because it can deprive tissues of necessary oxygen and nutrients.

[@ppw8716]

Please give an example of your mom’s diet.

[@greensmoothieparty]

@@ppw8716 Here is a typical day: Breakfast: Steel cut oats with blueberries, raspberries, 1/2 banana, tablespoon of ground flax and ground chia seeds, tablespoon of hemp seeds, soy milk, cinnamon. Lunch: Green smoothie heavy on the low-oxalate greens (frozen kale or collard greens, frozen pineapple, banana, orange, lemon wedge with rind, soy milk, avocado sliver, amla powder, dulse flakes, apple cider vinegar, blackstrap molasses, nutritional yeast, hemp protein powder, fresh ginger, medjool date, fresh kale) with a small handful of almonds and walnuts - or - some soup and salad. Before dinner snack: one apple Dinner: Variety of simple meals including spaghetti, chili, vegetable soup with beans, lintel miso soup with organic tofu cubes/onions/mushrooms/kale, split pea soup with onions/mushrooms/carrots/celery/potato, roasted vegetables (squash/carrots/potatoes), rice and beans bowl with onions/mushrooms/kale/peppers/salsa, organic tofu scramble with onions/mushrooms/peppers/kale/turmeric/nutritional yeast, broccoli, asparagus, etc. Dessert: frozen banana whip with papaya or strawberries topped some days with a couple of macadamia nuts or a Brazil nut Make sure to include G-Bombs every day for optimal immune system (i.e. - greens, beans, onions, mushrooms, berries, seeds). Avoid processed foods. Include tofu perhaps twice a week but not more. Stop eating after dinner except for a few pistachios before bed.

[@TTR83]

@@greensmoothieparty You told "void processed foods" but list you mentioned above contains ultra-processed foods. Why do you use them?

[@greensmoothieparty]

@@TTR83 Processed foods are very often nutrient-poor and addictive by design, but not always. I used to buy frozen amla berries but I currently do not have access to them so I buy organic amla powder instead. I recommend considering the risk/benefit of every product and try to make an informed decision. Cheers!

[@TTR83]

@@greensmoothieparty Blackstrap molasses - what kind of benefits it gives to you? You told: refined sugar/flour are the most common cause of this metabolic system failure, but still using sugar and powders which are ultra-processed foods. Why no eggs or fish which are whole foods and very important?

[@deonb6106]

Brilliant analysis as always Gil! Sharing this wide and far. People need to know what the studies are revealing. Thank you for the great work you're doing for nutritional literacy!