Dr. Shehzad Saleem | the Preservation of the Quran & the Problem of Qira'at | MindTrap with Mufti#26

Navigating through Crucial Conversations & Difficult Dialogues on Faith in our World today.
*[Timestamps below]
Guest:
Dr Shehzad Saleem (Pakistan)
Fellow @ Mawrid (Ghamidi Centre)
Phd. Quran specialist, Islamic Scholar
*The objective of these videos is to bring to the public such conversations that have for too long remained private for the privileged and seldom spoken before the flock.
And so the legend has it, the noose eventually loosened from around the neck of Liberty.
With Love
MALM
Timestamps:

[@nazimulhaquebiplob4180]

Umm... We got a different Mufti today, A serious academic one. Also love this.

[@bilal716]

More Shehzad Saleem and al Mawrid! Thank you!

[@poweroftruth9258]

The Bible says in John 3:16-36 that whoever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life, the Bible also says in Romans 10:9 that those who declare with their mouth that Jesus Christ is their God, Lord, and Savior they shall be saved. Revelation 1:8 says that Jesus is the alpha and the omega. Luke and revelation is the ending times, and Jesus is returning back. So are you going to submit your life to him or no? Narrow is the path that leads to the gates of heaven, but only few people find it. The gates that is the path to destruction is where many people find it! Jesus loves you SO MUCH! That he died on the cross, and was resurrected from the dead 3 days later to give us eternal life..!.!..

[@tisko7188]

@@poweroftruth9258 get out with your unsoleved Trinity mystery

[@zudupdudu]

Salam Mufti, special thank you to bring this awesome gentleman on here.

[@pegg3325]

Just watched the full show today MALM. Brilliant. I’d love for you to bring the doctor back on in the near future. Love his style of delivery. No dogmatic answers. Everything based on his years of research. Love it!

[@dr.shahiniqbal9036]

And Mufti sb you did a great job of summarizing Dr. Shehzad's opinion at the end :)

[@saracen3575]

Best MINDTRAP so far! Brilliant!

[@rajasyarif1125]

Thank you for this Mufti. We needed it.

[@atifkhaliq5848]

We Pakistanis are proud of you ❤❤

[@hassanabdaladl]

Mashallah mufti big up. this is a very good interview/guest

[@shanewilson2484]

Interesting discussion. Mufti Sahib is doing a good job in educating people on a variety of topics with these Mindtrap interviews.

[@hammadsiddique7691]

JazakAllah khair shaykhs. May Allah bless you guys.

[@viviennelumiere]

Excellent!! موفقين انشاء الله!! The more I read the Quran and listen to it and study it, the more awed I am by it. But this is the most explanatory conversation I've heard about what qira-at and ahruf are. I found the fact that different qira-at are more prevalent in the Arab world as compared to the more standard version being prevalent in the non-Arab world very profound.

[@cyberfunk3793]

Why would anyone be awed by this fabrication where almost every verse has been corrupted and nothing is like claimed? "There are variations of almost every verse of the 114 suras. Only the short, easily remembered suras from the Prophetʹs time in Mecca - around five percent of the total text - are identical in all the texts that have been passed down to us. This is the essential result of Charfiʹs research, conducted over more than ten years with a team of ten volunteer academics: there is not one, clear holy text, but a multi-layered web of texts that carry traces of their own history and that of their authorsʹ political, social and religious environments."

[@jj-yi1ne]

@@cyberfunk3793 why are you a fundamentalist. stop being a dogmatic moron

[@elliot7205]

You are entitled to your opinions.

[@AkhtarKhan-to4uk]

Doin it!! Mashallah.. Brilliant guest and exposition.

[@wqskhan]

Mufti finds a way to laugh not matter how serious the discussion is 😃 Nice job by the way. Jazakallah

[@shah44446]

Thank you.... We need more of this...

[@shanikaimkhani7123]

Wah g mufti sahab shahzad Salem sahab ap par Allah ki rahmat ho

[@nyamantiehmongomarah7997]

24:47 Is another brilliant question....Dr response left many gaps to fill academically. My point is relying on oral transmission as qaranty for preservation is as faulty as the story it self. Remember that it was the challenges - accuracy, correctness , preservation, records etc of oral transmission that force humans to device ways of writing. It was good the prophet permitted the writing of the Qur'an under his supervision. What was the medium of communication between the prophet and Gibril?..was it dreams, truancy, meditation?

[@mohamedfredj4998]

Dr. Ghanim Qadûr in his book "rasm al-mushaf" says that there is no scribal mistake, it's just that the way they wrote arabic is different because it changes with time like all langages. They had to find tricks like adding extra "waw/alif..." because there was no vowels to avoid the confusion with another word.

[@danvan2683]

Every old ducument hundreds of years old is gonna have a transmission history, its real refreshing hearing a conversation about it, if this was taught from the beggining there wouldnt be issues today, the problem comes when this kind of information doesnt trickle down to the bottom to people like hijab. As a christian this is not the main issue i find with the Qur'an, its just an obvious one that cannot be admitted to as a part of most Muslims belief system. Its great coming across some rational minds from your side of the argument, thank you!

[@cyberfunk3793]

How would there not be an issue today if it had been taught from the beginning that the whole basis for the religion is a lie? 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@jj-yi1ne]

why would the quran matter for you you hateful christian. i dont want to follow your religion, you people are hateful

[@jj-yi1ne]

@@cyberfunk3793 who told you to follow this religion?

[@cyberfunk3793]

@@jj-yi1ne Countless people are telling countless other people to follow pretty much every religion.

[@Afnankhan-mj3xy]

From where we can take pdf versions of dr shehzad saleem Can some one send links Thanks

[@Afnankhan-mj3xy]

Or any website for his pdf books

[@drsohailahmedkhan]

Thanks 👍

[@monikabenay2196]

Oh, absolutely and without doubt there was flexibility in the recitation- because oral transference is not “set” - and it is up to the skill of the poet/reciter to transfer the recitation in the most beautiful, enticing way. Knowing this - we realize that by the time of Uthman - the recitations differed so much - that the fights ensued between the various reciters. If it was just a matter of accent or few word differences- that would have not mattered to anyone . Now - because we do not have any pre-Uthmanic written fragments - truly - God only knows what Muhammad’s original recitation was, and what was “mutated” by the sahaba.

[@monikabenay2196]

anonymous guy -- hafiz recites the later versions of the Quran - for centuries, it has been ASSUMED that what is being recited now - is exactly the same as Muhammad recited - however - the earlier fragments of the Quran are just - fragments. Again - it has been ASSUMED that the oldest fragments were part of the larger Quran - but - what if - the Quran as we know today was composed LATER from various fragments? What if - in addition - the Quran included some teachings/ recitations of Muhammad - but, overall- the Quran was composed from various Jewish/Christian/Persian-Zoroastrian/pagan sources about 100+ years later after Muhammad? People have been assuming certain things about Muhammad and Quran - but what if all that is more mythological than factual?

[@monikabenay2196]

anonymous guy thank you for your thoughtful response - I’m glad to be learning more about the history of Islam. Will you assist me in learning more? I have a couple of questions: Abu Hanifa - when you read about him - who is telling you the story? Is it from him, his contemporaries, or later sources? As to Abu Abdurrahman - he lived much later (I just googled him) - so by his time, the Quran was already composed. Where do we find the first descriptions of the chain of transmission? How early/ late - are the chains being documented? From how I see it - the Quran was composed early in the 8th century - and before that - we can find “fragments” of the Quran - but if I said to you “the early Quranic writings were not understood as the part of the Quran, but they were random writings OUT OF WHICH the later Quran was composed” - would you be able to prove me wrong? I’m not interested in arguing with you or anyone else - but I’m very much interested into finding the truth of what really happened in the era of early Islam. As for now - I tend to think that there was no Quran until after the second civil war - and it was BECAUSE the Muslims were fighting with each other so much - someone had devised a plan to put together the Quran, -to bind together the warring fractions. Later - the legends were invented about Abu Bakr and Uthman Qurans - but it was later. The change of quibla itself - was inserted after the civil wars - when the original Mecca (“masjid” al haram, a popular pagan pilgrimage center in Jordan ) was destroyed, the black stone removed from the kaba, and the new Kaba in Saudi Arabia was settled. The direction change took place much later after Muhammad’s death - right? The first quiblas were facing Mecca in Jordan, right? ... at least that is what archeology tells us .... anyway - I’m looking toward your response

[@monikabenay2196]

anonymous guy - hey - I looked at some of your recommendations- do you have par chance the English translation of re-constructed tafsir Mujahid? I understand that the original is lost to us now - but there is the Arabic complied reconstruction- but I can not read in Arabic ... so I looked at abu Hanifa, at least part of figh al Akbar- and I found it absolutely fascinating!!! That man had profound sensitivity - now - what he has to say about the Quran is this: “ The Quran is the word of God Almighty, written on collection of leaves, preserved in men’s hearts” - he actually tells us second time in the text - “Quran is collection of writings on leaves” - so it looks as if the Quran has not yet been compiled into one kitab - although the word “Quran” is been used as the “message” - similarity- Moses is also understood to have his own “Quran” - message. In addition - The Book - (The Quran) is understood by Abu Hanifa - as The Preserved Tablet - al Lauh al Mafhuz- and NOT THE BOOK OF THE Quran as we know it (so, there you go - there is your reference to the Quran). In addition- and this is what truly shook me - listen to this - Listen I almost fell off the chair - Abu Hunifa mentions a sect of early Muslims - Murji’ites- who believed that God is, ultimately, forgiving - and that we should withdraw judgment from non-Muslims as well. Why did I almost fall from my chair? Because I remember Sura 68. 35-40: “shall we then treat the People of Faith like the People of Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you? Or have you a book through which you learn that you shall have whatever you choose...” - that looks like the criticism of the early Islam (the Murji’ah) by a rival fraction - the more judgmental fraction who actually took over and who dictated the final content of the Quran. Had that sentence been part of the early Quranic writings - the Murji’ah would have not emerged as legitimate- so what is more reasonable to say is that we have the Muslims first - and THEN we have the Quran finished as one book (in contrast to collection of leaves as Abu Hanifa knows it. Ok - so I didn’t find the kitab al athar online - but I was so impressed by Hanifa that I managed to buy a copy on Amazon - hopefully it will arrived translated into English ;) ... I’m glad to talk to you - I’m learning so much recently- just the other day I was introduced to the philosophy of Ibn Sab’in - that man was a spiritual genius!! Absolute Oneness of God!!! For about a year now I have been talking to my Muslim friends that God is One in Essence - not just “one God” - and usually I’m being told I’m making crazy shit up - but then - I meet someone like ibn Sab’in with whom I share same understanding! I could not believe it ... I also can not believe how deeply spiritual Muslim can read the Quran and convince themselves that this bunch of nonsense comes from God ... the Muslim commentators have much deeper understanding of God than someone like Muhammad ... and how can they live with themselves pretending that the Quran is some sort of marvel of revelation... 😂😂😂 ... it isn’t! It is a bunch of bloody nonsense..... it is time for the Muslim people to embrace Islam as the Faith that is greater than Muhammad and Quran, and actually focus on the Sunna of One God.

[@Adept.maneuver]

@@monikabenay2196 if you really want to find truth, read nothing but Quran. Get a good translation of Quran and only then you are able to link all the parts. You are just asking questions about something you haven't read yet. Have you read this book of Dr. Shehzad Saleem? Just go through it before rejecting the authenticity of Quran as a Divine Book.

[@elliot7205]

So how do we explain the verse in which says God will preserve the Qur'an?

[@abilhay9154]

Mufti, where can we buy D. Shahzad Saleem's book? I've looked online and can find any sites selling it.

[@mkamranmirza7418]

www.almawriduk.org Though its currently Out of Stock Also, search Al Mawrid Books on google

[@ThuskiPhuski]

Excellent discussion ❤

[@laylaali5977]

The Quran is not one hundred percent preserved but is largely preserved because the essential teaching of the Quran is it didn’t bring new religion it says that god has sent many scriptures and prophets and people over time changed the message of those scriptures which was the believe of the ones of god,ones of the universe and ones of humanity and this message is clearly of all the variations so in reality it doesn’t matter to the intelligent Muslims but it matters to blind followers and anti Islamic groups.

[@mjawadhaque9832]

MashAllah

[@tariqulislam8292]

❤🎉🙏 Dr Shehzad Saleem

[@Adept.maneuver]

ماشاءاللہ

[@brojosingha6700]

Orinal was smaller than present form. Was it enlarged later during Califa Osman?

[@obaidulhaque7687]

where can I get this BOOK.

[@isayaasiin]

Thank you guys for the answer. What makes me upset though is that the non Muslims will not be satisfied with the answer.

[@memememmee7794]

Remember Surat yaseen, brother. They've chosen not to see so Allah allows them to deepen their ignorance and delusion.

[@amalali8712]

Allah SWT guides whom he wills. Their satisfaction is not necessary.

[@theprince8079]

EPIC

[@nyamantiehmongomarah7997]

13:00 Dr Sheshad Saleem..where is the original manuscript of the preserved Qur'an? How can one distinguished it from the others? Remember u said there are other copies in circulation all claiming to be preserved.

[@DeeneIslamProduction]

This is exactly what happens when someone comes up with a new narrative, thinking that they are doing a service to the Ummah. Rather they have done nothing but a disservice. Just search on youtube and listen to a Qari, an expert on all ten readings of the Quran. Abdul Rashid Sufi 10 Qirat. He gave a short around 15 min lecture. I swear to God, that short lecture is so powerful that it simply goes to your soul.

[@Solo.Gr8]

They r coming with new theories infact there is no concrete evidence quran being preserved

[@mrnomad1737]

This showed the high calibre of indo pak early scholars which is often overlooked. However there has been disjoint from early 80s.

[@dr.shahiniqbal9036]

Actually I was suggesting that the reason we don't find Hafs in early manuscripts in which the Qiraats are identifiable is that , *probably* by the time people started using diacritic marks (which allow one to identify the Qiraat), i.e. around the end of the first century AH, the idea of Isnads (i.e. chain of narration) had also become very popular among scholars. Since common people, reading the general reading of the Quran would have never really bothered about chains of narration for the Quran, the other qiraat which had nothing but strong chains of narration as the very reason of their existence, would have become favorites of scholars, who would have been invariably in charge of any high profile manuscript writing project. But thanks for reading out my question though :)

[@elmundir]

How uthman tried to create an unify quran with out any diatric marks

[@DrOmar11]

Brother Shahin, you have made some brilliant insights. Please send them to Dr Shehzad Saleem and please share these thoughts with other scholars and the public at large. Please write out and publish these insights. 😊

[@DrOmar11]

I should say Dr Shahin. 😊

[@dr.shahiniqbal9036]

@@DrOmar11 Thanks for your very kind words. I did have a nice chat with Dr. Shehzad Saleem last year and shared my thoughts with him (he is a very nice person!).

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

This serious attitude that the Mufty is showing this kind of professionalism and dignity sense of purpose and honor he is showing is becoming and its necessary its cool to laugh and have a sense enjoyment as u wish between limits but we look to people of knowledge for stability’s understanding and the security that these things bring us . That should be the obligation that is met by a person who has acquired a certain amount of knowledge that should be foremost not the projecting of an image that breaks a stereotype to make that the overriding message and theme of your knowledge this brother can contribute so much more and be much more of a benefit if he puts transmission of knowledge over image ..... we all cool we all know how to laugh we are all regular human beings when we look to him and those like him it’s not to shoot the shot it’s to fill a vary important need I hope he does this kind of presentation more often

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

I mean everybody has a sense of individualism we all have a certain amount of swag but swag takes a back seat to obligation and purpose hay for give me but that’s just me this brother can do much better he needs to exploit his potential because swag is in the bag 💼 you pull it out when appropriate again that’s just me .....

[@fedesetrtatio1]

The serious attitude is because he is in Pakistan. Give him a one way ticket to America and he will be smiling while he tells us another story.

[@fedesetrtatio1]

@@c5quared626 You can be free to have a big mouth because you are in a western country. But the Doctor is not, he resides in Pakistan. You must be Arabic because you follow an Arab Religion.

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

C 5quared listen punk I am s revert to Islam from the the inner city from the leading cultural metropolis of this planet located in the United States understand me I am sayin fool there a time and place for everything under the sun if I see mufty in the street the context is street casual free from the context of information sharing and teaching but in the KZbin context i am not looking to be exposed to your swag and I dammed sure don’t need you proselytizing about how you keep it real . I don’t give f-k how you cut your hair or how you dress 👗 or the commitment to your laughter or what makes you cut up ....fulfill the obligation of the position when engaged in its confine after that I will cordially shoot the shit with you and even try laughing at the unfunny shit u laugh at

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

C 5quared fulfill your shit first then swag till you drag your heels ....this example is what the prophet of Allah meant when he said this deen will fade like the embroidery on your thobe meaning identity lost copying the ways of those who see being guided as a threat to individualism while smoking s blunt slurping wine .... I repeat keep it real in context be serious when it’s Time to teach ,TEACH and when it’s time to free style ,free style

[@stargategoku]

the question is how come there are different version of quran even there's different ahruf and qiraat if Uthman burned the rest of quran and retained in one dialect which quraishi dialect? also why the quran today is different from previous 6 major manuscripts set aside the differences between hafs, warsh, alduri, alsusi qalon, ibn amir and other quran like sana'a or mail or topkapi, mail, birmingha, samarkand and paris petropolitanus quran manuscripts to mention a few because the quran today has diacritical and vowels which iz contrast to old 6 manuscripts which had only rasm consonantal form only. how the previous muslims like muhammad, umar, ubay bij kab, abdullah bin masud and uthnan read the rasm manuscripts quran?

[@centi50s]

Word by word no. Checked Havard professor Dr. Shady Nasser and Dr. Hythem sydky of IQSA

[@khanG-gq9hc]

💯❤

[@brojosingha6700]

Mr. Layth , is it prophet asked his followers to compile all his words in a book form. Or is it follower,s idea to compile as a book ?

[@cmerme2500]

Hi Mufti Abu Layth, At 25:13 Dr. Saleem mentions that Surat Al-Qiyama verses 15 to 19 claim that the Quran is preserved by God himself (the compilation of it). But I read these verses and they don’t seem to be talking about the Quran at all, the verses are about the day you die and your deeds being compiled and read to you. Can you please read the surah from the start and then explain how he came to the conclusion that these verses are talking about the preservation of the Quran?

[@Adept.maneuver]

لَا تُحَرِّکۡ بِہٖ لِسَانَکَ لِتَعۡجَلَ بِہٖ ﴿ؕ۱۶﴾اِنَّ عَلَیۡنَا جَمۡعَہٗ وَ قُرۡاٰنَہٗ ﴿ۚۖ۱۷﴾فَاِذَا قَرَاۡنٰہُ فَاتَّبِعۡ قُرۡاٰنَہٗ ﴿ۚ۱۸﴾ثُمَّ اِنَّ عَلَیۡنَا بَیَانَہٗ ﴿ؕ۱۹﴾ (اِن [10] پر اتمام حجت کی جلدی میں، اے پیغمبر)، تم اِس قرآن کو جلد پالینے کے لیے اپنی زبان کو اِس پر نہ چلاؤ۔(یہ اِسی طرح اترے گا [11] تم مطمئن رہو)، اِس کا جمع کرنا اور [12] سنانا، سب ہماری ذمہ داری ہے۔اِس لیے جب (اُس وقت) ہم اِس کو پڑھیں تو اِس کی اُس قراءت کی پیروی [13] کرو۔پھر ہمارے ہی ذمے ہے کہ (اگر کہیں ضرورت ہو تو) ہم (تمھارے لیے) اِس کی وضاحت [14] کر دیں۔ The language tells us that Allah is talking about this Quran. Read arabic first.

[@Adept.maneuver]

Why would the deeds be asked to be followed?

[@cmerme2500]

@@Adept.maneuver I think you've missed my point. If you read the verses (in Arabic) they're not talking about the Quran, the word being used is Qur'anahu, which means "the reading of it."

[@Adept.maneuver]

@@cmerme2500 what do you think about the words jama'ahu and then fattabi' quraanahu? I think that referred to compilation of it and then being asked to be followed.

[@cmerme2500]

@@Adept.maneuver You're way off topic. But thank you for your comments.

[@AA-nx8ki]

Well done Mufti. By the way which qiraat do the shia follow?

[@muzzammiljivraj5873]

I am a shia and we dont have this understanding of recitations however there are according to Khoei 6 translations for types of tahreef interpolations or corruptions that could have happened and that may have not happened in early islam. Also the compilation is seen as to be etched in the heart in the prophets heart knowingly and conciously and came peace meal for the ease of the believers and there was a compilation by 6 ansars or 4 compared to different narrations including zaid ubay and abdullah however the very common narration of thaqalyn of kitab allah shows that in the time there was a understood compiled book even if you accept the tradition with sunnati so Imam Alis (as) copy is also with tafaseer and notes and not accepted. we have traditions that imam ali didnt leave his house until completing the compilation but wasnt accepted however we it doesnt mean the Quran we have is the actual one which what i beleive the hafs is the only word for word transmission of Quran also there are traditions of places of ayahs being put into these sperate surahs by the Prophet by his ordet here is the link to get more on shia viewpoint ahsant www.al-islam.org/collection-and-preservation-quran-sayyid-abu-al-qasim-al-khoei

[@shahzadrizwan1723]

Peter, I think you really enjoying putting ONE Liner. Out of 272 comments, 271 comments are yours :)

[@monikabenay2196]

This presentation is insightful, intelligent, and enlightening- and it absolutely proves that the Quran has not been preserved. Muhammad editing the recitation every Ramadan .... the versus blurred .... the stabilization of the recitation IN TIME ........ all the arguments, one after one -- disprove its own claim. It is all historically fascinating!

[@maturidiwesley4107]

You know f all about this topic. The words in the qur’an are word for word the same as in the time of the prophet. This has been proven time and time again via mass transmissions of ahadith and actual manuscripts. Like the one in Birmingham for example. The question revolves around the recitation styles. There are indeed some different forms’ways on how to recite these letters ot the quran. But the quran itselfs allows this type of dynamism. But yeah fool yourself into delusion👍

[@monikabenay2196]

Maturidi Wesley one of the main observations of the mufti here is that in the times or oral culture - Muhammad times, where writing and grammar had not been “fixed” yet -there was much flexibility in wording or even phrases used. The whole point here is that - maybe it could be smarter - to finally admit that there “perfect preservation of the Quran” is a relatively modern concept. Then - we could disregard the small differences between words and phrases - and just look within the text of the Quran itself. I would love to shift this conversation- but, meanwhile- i will enjoy my Muslim brothers and sisters waking up from the fairy tale of the “perfect preservation of the Quran.” - hey, if the “imperfect transmittance” was good enough for your prophet- why try to improve it?

[@monikabenay2196]

C 5quared so I’m just looking into the early history: so The Quran has been revealed gradually, - year after year. Each year, during Ramadan, Muhammad would edit his recitations, and recite them for the followers to memorize. Now - THIS WOULD EXPLAIN WHY - during the lifetime of Mmed - the Quran has been written here and there, on parchments and bones - separately- by as many as 40 different scribes - but NEVER COMPILED into the finalized copy: because Mohammed kept changing it. So after Mmed passed - what we were left with - was fragments, differing, collected over the years - often, with interpretations of the text. Somewhere about 6 months later - Mmed’s cousin ALI - collects the various writings into one Quran. That Quran is in chronological order. Also, that Quran has been lost. Now - when we ask “why would Uthman so vehemently destroy all the traces of the Quranic writings” - we realize - that it is because there was too much variation in the text itself. Apparently - the division between the recitations was backed by the physical writings, that differed - to the degree that WE WILL NEVER FINALLY KNOW - because all were destroyed - however - because in the oral tradition the small changes would be accepted - we can only suspect that the variance was quite substantial. Anyway .... that is an interesting subject to a historian, which I am not one of - I’m just speculating, using reason....... also it would explain why there was violent disagreements between reciters - not only their recitations were “mutating” (because in the oral tradition, small mutations were normal) - but also the physical scribing was different. Uthman HAD TO take action - and, ultimately, was hated by the Muslims who didn’t appreciate all those changes. What was the reason Uthman was killed?

[@monikabenay2196]

C 5quared ahhh .... the idea of Muhammad revisiting together with an angel ..... what can I say without being offensive ...: ok, I will say this: “highly unlikely” :)

[@hans471]

@@c5quared626 What do you make about the many Sahih Hadith chains which account for the fact that verses of the quran have been lost such as the verses of Breast suckling? Also the majority of Surah 33 got lost according to Hadith... These points have been largely ignored in the discussion above. All the evidence points to major changes from the start...

[@mustikhan7512]

This mindtrap session is in favour of Yasir Qadhi. It has cleared up so many doubts created by Yasir Qadhi” holes in the Quran”. Thanks to Abu Lauth for organising this session to bring so much peace to our minds. And off course a big thank you and Jzk to the scholar to give time to help us put our minds to rest. If only the Islamic Scholarly Community had disclosed this message to common muslims all along then the non- muslims scholars would not have had a chance to attack quran and try to ridiculed Islam. And on the other hand commom muslims would not have had such a big shock and disbelieve by Yasir Qadhis statements. Learning about these variations and also words being added ( if I am correct in saying “ words added or replaced”) Now, My mind is very restless to learn if the word for wife beating is mentioned by Allah or its just an interpretation or even added to the Quran. This verse validates beating the wife and I have seen women suffer as a result of this valudation.

[@batman-sr2px]

yasir qadi didn't create any doubts. It was farid who leaked an academic conversation.

[@pa21thebeast]

Wow this is the most intellectually honest Muslim apologetic video I’ve ever watched. All though I’m not convinced of the argument at least I don’t feel like the audience is been taken for idiots.

[@pa21thebeast]

@Tauhida Khan yeah “what” exactly. You clearly don’t have a grasp of the topic as you just sent me videos of people with different, sometimes contradictory, views on the topic, and some of which were blatantly lying.

[@pa21thebeast]

@Tauhida Khan yeah I can tell you don’t have an academic understanding because you still think the arguments used by Jay Smith et al are their own when in reality they’re getting their arguments from Dr Shady Nassir and Dr Yasin Dutton (who Mansour went to learn under after pretending to refute the Hatun with things he didn’t know). Their arguments are from Islamic sources. www.muslim-library.com/dl/books/English_VARIANT_READINGS_OF_THE_QURAN_A_CRITICAL_STUDY_OF_THEIR_HISTORICAL_AND_LINGUISTIC_ORIGINS.pdf Mufti Abu Layth is well read on his sources that’s why he holds the position he does, but even his theory is too simplistic.

[@pa21thebeast]

@Tauhida Khan sorry I misread your comment, you said my main source of information was Jay Smith et al (which it is not), which I thought you were saying they were making things up. Jay Smith if you actually do research beyond watching videos you would know Jay Smith is just using the work of orientalists to make his arguments. The other people are either just sharing Jays arguments or working separately from other works. The latest arguments by Jay are from Dr. Shady Nassirs books. If you took time to read 10% of the book I shared you would know the Efdawah, mansour, and Farid are lying.

[@pa21thebeast]

@Tauhida Khan “past” Muslim books lol those “books” and scholars are the ones who helped craft modern Islamic rulings and practice. The reason Hatun said 27 is because those are all she could find at the time, now she has 10 more, and according to Islamic tradition there was likely 900+ . Your argument doesn’t make sense, it’s the argument of someone that isn’t engaging.

[@pa21thebeast]

@Tauhida Khan you sent me two books. Which one should I read. I don’t have time to read both

[@seanrodrigues12]

I don’t get this. How can the 7 Qira’at not be mutawatir, if the Hafs Cairo version used today, the so- called “Qira’at alam” or whatever it’s called , is derived from one of them?

[@ISLAMICDEFENSE9302]

QIRAT ama or hafs QIRAT is real QIRAT that hazrat jibril recites to PROPHET MUHAMMAD saw during Ramadan other QIRAT is not AUTHENTIC and 90 % people recites QIRAT amma or hafs QIRAT TODAY

[@scuzlol]

I would be interested to know why Dr. Saleem believes the New Testament was written originally in Syriac.

[@monikabenay2196]

Ok - so I am at minute 27 of the recording - so it has been claimed that the Quran has been preserved- and - at the same time - Dr Saleem is just describing how it has been changed: the chronology is different, God-Gabriel making promises that the final compilation will be the right one, some words missing here and some verses there -- it just sounds like a lot of justification to the fact that - indeed - the Quran has been modified; honestly, at first, I thought the differences were tiny - but the more I hear dr Saleem speaking- the modification grows. Ok - back to the video ;)

[@TheSaf7uk]

I thinks you’ve misunderstood the point he tries to present.

[@maturidiwesley4107]

Learn Arabic Images the only hear things what the want to hear, without even graspibg the topic of ahruf and qira’at on one hand and the actual words in the quran on the other hand, which is proven to be the same as in the time of the prophet saws.

[@phoenixplayz1581]

For simpletons like you here's a 8 minute video that explains the process kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGObYo2vrtyspJY

[@hans471]

@@phoenixplayz1581 Your video doesn't give evidence but just gives claims over claims. What do you make e.g. of the multitude of Sahih Hadith which say that the Verses of Breast Suckling got lost as well as most of Surah 33?

[@jalalkphilosophy]

Yasir Qadhi saying 123 is not an argument against Islam. The non Muslims pointing him out in his claims that so and so has holes does not mean anything nor does it stand as a point against Muhammad s.a.w. and the Quran. It is but Yasir Qadhi's opinion.

[@Ahmad-le6ys]

Bits and pieces of this whole talk have been cut and really misused. Dr shahzad has done a brave effort to tackle the different qirat which exist in a small minority of Muslims. The reason mufti understood him so quickly is because he himself has gone through the process of learning arabic. However the qirat ul amma which we use and Muslims have used has the required chain that is traced back to the prophet pbuh. The best part was that if the different qirats were perhaps mistakes understood at the time why were the mistakes transmitted? They were transmitted because of honesty and the lack of insecurity the Muslims of the time had..MashAllah.

[@rajasyarif1125]

The face of Mufti when the Malik part started. LMAO

[@maturidiwesley4107]

Lol yeah it’s a hard pilk to swallow for our maliki brothers and sisters😂

[@azeemsarfarazlexicon101]

Yo. Put the timestamp man.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

6.137 is ibn Amir and he has zuyyina ... qatlu auladahum shuraka2ihim, he puts it in passive voice.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

Why? bc both variants are ... odd and awkward, if not wrong.

[@zeinedinegasmi1660]

@@Peter-xf9jy passive or active in Arabic comprehends in those cases the same number of letters!! This variation did not occur after the dead of our beloved prophet pbuh. He insisted that it was right.. Only scholars of the our holy book know these variations. During prayer, in hajj, Djumua etc .. It is agreed on the one qiraa.

[@kroozi]

Two heroes ❤️

[@MIK-ko3rr]

1:49:15 Allahu Akbar!

[@naeemarezzo6524]

اسلام علیکم مفتی صاحب very love you for Allah بہت اچھا پروگرام تھا۔ڈاکٹر صاحب نے اپنی کتاب کی میں جو بیان ھے۔اس کا خلاصہ آپ مخلتف اقساط میں بیان فرمائیں۔سیریز کا نام قرآن کی تاریخ رکھیں but with ur understanding

[@NisarAhmed-wk2tu]

Amazing discussion. Enjoyed thoroughly. Greatly admire the work of Dr Shehzad Saleem saab and his teachers. However, Mufti ji's opinion makes more sense to me. The Qur'an had some flexibility/dynamism in the beginning which eventually got standardized. The qirat ul 'aamma might have been the most popular version and hence chosen to be the standard one. Also, I don't think Dr. Yasir Qadhi has a sharp brain.

[@jimmiejames9154]

Completely agree.

[@xifunaser7164]

I notice some negative comments on the quran is purely based on Cartesian doubt. If we follow the philosophical mazhab of Betrand Russell, everything is doubtful including the existence of the "I" in the cartesian phrase "I think, therefore I am"! If this is the case, then every thing, not only the quran, but also the bible, das kapital, cnn, aljazeerah, any news in youtube, any holy book, any certificate, any "knowledge" we obtain at school, university, and atheism, theism, agnosticism, .... ALL ARE DOUBTFUL simply becoz the very existence and authenticiy of our selves are doubtful! To what extent any "info" that passes, PROCESSED, EDITED by our senses, mind is truly objective, unbias and authentic? You may be a pig after all even though u "think" u are a human!!!

[@rahimshukla7916]

Does that last line specifically refer to muhammad?

[@ahmadshamil5606]

@@rahimshukla7916 , did you even read God damn it ? 😉

[@elliot7205]

What you said has no evidential value but pure subjectivity.

[@shahkha4529]

What I dont understand is this yeah. People argued before that Uttman RA had old copies destroyed due to the fact of inconsistencies and fear the message would be warped to each persons understanding. Now they dont take that into consideration because his reason for doing so is made absolute solid. It's funny how people believe one older copy is correct but the one comprised by scholars and actual companions of the quran is wrong.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

Mutawatir is an invented term. to "validate" the chinese whisper of over 1000 years.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Ahmad Yusof Safi how many memorizer make a narration mutawatir? 50% ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Ahmad Yusof Safi yes how many make it mutawatir ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

or when becomes a sahih hadith mutawatir?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Ahmad Yusof Safi so there is no verifiable percentage and its just a void claim. I see. and even if, it were lets say 1/3rd of all Moslems, it were still impossible to verify. its a completely arbitrary claim.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Ahmad Yusof Safi yes, alot is a vague term, and how many isnads do the Hafs Quran have? one or two? thats all I think. and these few chains are ahad. hhh

[@Zarghaam12]

I hope no one will mind my elaborating on this further and hopefully my posts are not deleted! *All religions generate mythologies and in the case of Islam, the Umayyads, the archenemies ended up as rulers who controlled the text of the Quran, completely ignoring the earliest compilations of Ali ibn Abi Talib and Abdullah ibn Mas'uud* ! *Also, Ibn Mas'uud believed that, although chapters 113 & 114 were put together physically with the restof the codex during his compilation they were not part of the Quran* . *In fact, even Chapter 1 was NOT considered by him as part of the Quran, since it's a prayer, as man is talking or supplicating to God, while in the rest of the Quran is the other way round; God comanding man* ! *In the codex of Al Ibn Abi Talib too, chapter 1 of the Uthmanoc codex (al-Fatiha) was not here. The first chapterin that codex (Ali's) was Surah 96 (al-Alaq) in the present Quran - at least the first 5-6 lines of it . All classical sources say that these were the very first Quranic verse revealed and Imam Ali's QUran compilation is known to have been chronologically compiled. BTW, this chronological order is known to us* : *Revelation Order* Chronological Order of Suras tanzil.net/docs/revelation_order Furthermore, Ibn Mas'uud also had something else of importance to say and Jalaluddin as-Suyuuti as well as ash-Shaukaani specifically cite Ibn Mas'uud rebarding verse 67 of Surah al-Ma'idah. This what is noteworthy in what they are driving at: *Jalaaluddin al-Suyuuti (a well-known SUNNI shaafi'i Sunni scholar, died 1505 CE) refers to the original codex of Abdullah ibn Mas'uud where Ali's (supported by Shias) name was mentioned in certain verses. Read the tafaaseer of al-Suyuuti (Sunni tafseer) called "al-Durr-ul-Manthuur" and that of al-Shaukaani (also Sunni), and you find this* : اخرج ابن ابي حاتم, وابن مردوية, وابن عساكر, عن ابن ابي سعيد الخدري قال : نزلت هذه الاية : (يا ايها .... ما انزل اليك ) على رسول الله (ص) يوم غدير خم, في علي بن ابي طالب رضي الله عنه. واخرج ابن مردوية, عن ابن مسعود قال: كنا نقرا على عهد رسول الله (ص): يا ايها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك ان عليا مولى المؤمنين وان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من النلس ) تفسير القدير للشوكاني ص: ٣٨٤ Ibn Abi Haatim took from Ibn Mardawaiyah. from Ibn 'Asaakir, from Ibn Abi Sa'eed al-Khudri, who said: *This verse was revealed to the Prophet (s) on the Day of Ghadeer Khumm about Ali Ibn Abi Taalib, radhiallah 'anho, and Ibn Mardawiyah took from Adullah Ibn Mas'uud, who said* : *We used to read (this) in the time of the Prophet as* : يا ايها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك ان عليا مولى المؤمنين وان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من النلس " *O'Prophet* ! *Convey what has been revealed to you from your Lord that Ali is the mawlaa (master or leader) of the believers* and if you do not then you have conveyed God's message, a God will protect you from the people (who mean harm)." - Surah al-Maa'idah, 67 *Ali being mentioned in the Quran as mawlaa al-mo'mineen* ! Also readable here ! books.google.nl/books?id=hzdMDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT522&lpg=PT522&dq=%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%B1%D8%AC+%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86+%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%8A+%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%85,+%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86+%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A9 سورة المائدة *And here in Tafseer Fath-ul-Qadeer of al-Shaukaani (also a SUNNI). SAYS THE SAME* ! books.google.nl/books?id=vsR9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT488&lpg=PT488&dq=%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%B1%D8%AC+%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86+%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%8A+%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%85 *And yet more details for the same* ! *Asbaab-un-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi - SUNNI TAFSEER SURAH AL-MAA'IDAH* VERSE 67 !! * تفسير { يَـٰأَيُّهَا ٱلرَّسُولُ بَلِّغْ مَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ وَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلْ فَمَا بَلَّغْتَ رِسَالَتَهُ وَٱللَّهُ يَعْصِمُكَ مِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لاَ يَهْدِي ٱلْقَوْمَ ٱلْكَافِرِينَ } O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord…) [5:67]. Said al-Hasan: “The Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: ‘When Allah, exalted is He, sent me as His message, I felt oppressed by it,.......Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri who said: “This verse (O Messenger! Make known that which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord…) was revealed on the day of ‘Ghadir Khumm’ about ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah be well pleased with him”. (Allah will protect thee from mankind) [5:67]....... www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=86&tSoraNo=5&tAyahNo=67&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 But, the verse originally, as mentioned by Abdullah ibn Mas'uud in his codex, was as follows: يا ايها الرسول بلغ ما انزل اليك من ربك ان عليا مولى المؤمنين وان لم تفعل فما بلغت رسالته والله يعصمك من النلس Surah al-Maa'idah, 67 " *O'Prophet* ! *Convey what has been revealed to you from your Lord that Ali is the mawlaa (master / leader) of the believers* and if you do not then you have conveyed God's message, a God will protect you from the people (who mean harm)." *This is indeed how the verse was, as found in one of the earliest Quran compilations, but later altered, after the Prophet's death, to the present version by removing "ان عليا مولى المؤمنين" = *that Ali is the mawlaa master or leader of the believers* . *BTW, this was the main point of schism between the Shi'at-ul-Ali (the supporters of Ali), a group which appeared in the lifetime of the Prophet, and the Sunnis - a term not seen in Islamic literature till the second half of 2nd century Hijra (2AH)* !

[@Peter-xf9jy]

If the Quran was complete before Mohamets death, why is there no basmala before surat Bara2a ? my assumption: none could ask him any more bc he was dead already.

[@agengsatya96]

because surat at taubah actually is the part of surat al anfal

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@agengsatya96 it is not. anfal is about badr, bara2a is about tabouk. try again.

[@agengsatya96]

@@Peter-xf9jy al anfal talk about : qs. 8:58. If you [have reason to] fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty] back to them, [putting you] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors. at tawbah talk about : qs. 9:1. [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@agengsatya96 yet 8 and 9 are different suras, just Bara2a without basmala, bc Mohamet was alredy dead and couldnt be asked any more. perfect book. < ironical!

[@agengsatya96]

@@Peter-xf9jy perfect have many meaning, depend on the context.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

That begs the question, why re-arranging the Quran in the first place (regardless if your god or Umer did that), bc that gave rise to the variations (acc. to Dr. Saleem). Was the chronological order not good enough ?

[@Adept.maneuver]

Chronological order would not be that understandable to the people after that era. Quran was revealed according to the circumstances and events happening in the area of Prophet Muhammad. So it had to be in a certain order so that people can really get the massage.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@semmy bin hajj hassan yes I remember you did, for some reason I dont find your commy, but by logic only one can be correct in an unchanged book. regardless how many masahif/qiraat/aruf there are in that tablet.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

you will surely agree with me that all Bible manuscripts are as well in that tablet? also the alledgedly corrupted and ... I mean if everything is written there, whats the point ? what does such a tablet "proove" after all ? everything and nothing.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

the Quran mentions a tablet and ALWAH tablets in plural. get that straight first ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

(why do all write Hasan with double s? same for Husayn, is there a shadda in the qureyshi dialect ? hh)

[@Peter-xf9jy]

((just kidding))

[@Peter-xf9jy]

explaining a clear book "kitaban mubiyn" ... why ? did the arabs not understand arabic (back then) ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed give me JUST ONE example for a dialectal word in any of the 101+ modern qiraat or 7 alledged ahruf ! Is there any egyptian word in the Warsh Quran ??? XD Spoiler: the whole dialect claim is a big fat lie.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed the hamza ﺀ didnt exist at Uthmans time, so how could he have rewritten ىرىه bryh into ىرئه = bari2a with hamza (in qurayshi dialect, or accent or whatever you call that) ??? The alledged uthmanic redaction is an anachronism. if there was such a redaction, it was under Abdil Malik and Hajjaj.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

PS none of the alledged uthmanic manuscripts contains any hamza. thats why سماﺀ is written as سما and ماﺀ s written as ما thats a fact. Hamza is clearly a man-made letter (like all the others btw.). ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed yes the Tashkil got invented io to clarify the meaning (not only for the foreigners!!). bc the uthmanic rasm is not always clear. thats why some folks read maalik مالك others malik ملك or qutila قُتل (got killed) vs qaatala قاتل (fought), ... the pre-uthmanic Quran was not a clear book. and still now islamic exegets are guessing about many passages. what they actually mean.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

I can read the kufic script. just some 18 letters, thats no rocket science. ^^ Its basically just another font-type like the beautiful Diwani script aso.

[@Tskyn]

Whats up with the Turkish Qirat?

[@truehikma]

The Revelation and preservation of the Qur’an according to the Qur’an We have the hadith making claims about the lack of preservation of the Qur’an, missing verses etc. as if to question Allah when HE said He will protect and preserve His complete and fully detailed Book. This is how low the Bukharians go in putting hadith written by Bukhari etc above the Word of Allah! There is no rajam verse in the Qur’an because a goat ate it and this makes the goat stronger than Allah! Here is a chapter from my book Qur’anic Thoughts, Volume 1 in the Qur’an unchained series, which tells you what the Qur’an says or you can reject this in favour of your devoid of wisdom ancestors who attributed shameful sayings and acts to the Messenger and his noble companions, May Allah have Mercy on your souls! 5. Revelation of the Qur’an I came across an article about the Qur’an being composed by different people after the demise of the Last Messenger. Forged hadith regarding its collection and preservation from verses on leaves, bones and memories were used to ‘prove’ the Qur’an was a product of many people over many years, that is, it was written by different people and put together at a later date than Muslims claim, and Muhammad may not have existed! LOL, laughs out loud, could have no better usage than after this preposterousness. The ammunition comes from the hadith fairy tales, so you reap what you sow. Hold the front page. Whilst writing this book the University of Birmingham has announced they have a Qur’an manuscript dated to the period between AD 568 and 645 with 95.4% accuracy. The radiocarbon dating test was carried out in a laboratory at the University of Oxford. The result places the leaves close to the time of the Last Messenger, who lived between AD 570 and 632. Nincompoops have already said that this means the Qur’an was written before the Messenger was born, may Allah give them wisdom, but as any Tom and Jerry knows, radiocarbon dating gives a range and when this is applied to generally known facts, it can be reasonably deduced that the manuscripts are from or just after the time of the Messenger. This proves it was a written down on parchments well preserved and the Mullas who love the ‘no Qur’an in Book form whilst the Messenger was alive’ should eat their turbans; proof and thanks to my fellow Brummies. Now the historicity of the Messenger and ‘creation’ of the Qur’an as revealed in the Qur’an. The Qur’an Confirms The Messenger Hood Of A Person: 3:144 Muhammad is only a Messenger. The Messengers before him have passed on. So, if he died or were slain, would you turn about on your heels? But anyone who turns about his heels, would do no harm to God in the least. And God will soon reward those who remain appreciative (for the guidance). [The System the Messenger has established is to become a beacon of light for all humanity. The believers will reap the fruit of the Benevolent System here and, then, get rewarded in the Hereafter. 3:101, 3:185, 35:10] The Qur’an Confirms That Revelation Was Given To Him: 2:23 (For the real sceptic, here is a reason-friendly offer.) If you are still in doubt concerning what We have revealed to Our servant (Muhammad), call and set up (a committee, commission, organization, association of the highest order) all your helpers besides God, and then produce just one Surah like this, if you are truthful. [Bring some chapters of comparable merit that even come close to it in magnificence, eloquence, grandeur and wisdom. 4:82, 10:38, 11:13-14, 17:88. The use of 'We' and 'I' ... God uses for Himself the first person singular 'I' as well as the plural 'We'. The Qur’an being the most eloquent Book on earth has its own unique charisma and style. Slight reflection even on a translation strikes us with the beauty and variety of its usage of semantics. 'We' in relation to God indicates His Supreme Royalty, whereas 'I' gives us some idea of how close the King of kings is to us. King Cyrus of Persia calls himself 'We' in 18:87 as an example. Likewise, the use of the masculine gender for God in all Scriptures is meant to be in conformity with our standards. For third person singular, almost all languages in the world use the male gender except when referring to a specific female] The "period of time" for revelation is confirmed by the Qur’an itself! This means a period of revelation which some have construed as over many hundreds of years instead of during the lifetime of the man it was being revealed to! All the following prove that there was a period of Revelation: 5:101 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Do not ask unnecessary details of the things (as the Israelites asked of Moses about the cow 2:68.) This attitude may bring unpleasant consequences for you. BUT IF YOU ASK THEM AS THE QUR’AN IS BEING REVEALED, the minor details of Ordinances might be given which will be hard for you to follow. God pardons you in this respect. For, God is Forgiving, Clement. 8:41 (You ask about the distribution of the spoils of war when you fight aggression and attain victory.) Whatever you take as spoils of war, a fifth of that is for God and the Messenger (the State). (And the rest) is for the families (of the fallen soldiers), those left alone in the society, the widows, the ones whose income has stalled for any reason, and the needy wayfarer, the homeless son of the street. THIS (YOU WILL DO) IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD AND IN WHAT WE HAVE REVEALED TO OUR SERVANT WHEN THE TWO ARMIES MET (AT BADR) ON THE DAY OF DISTINCTION. God has appointed due measure for all things. [Families of the slain soldiers are included in context] 17:106 WITH THE QUR’AN WHICH WE HAVE GRADUALLY UNFOLDED, so that you might convey it to mankind by stages. Indeed, We have sent it down step by step, as one Revelation. 73:2 Stay vigilant even by night, and never fall short on it - [As Head of the State the Messenger is responsible for arranging peace and security for all citizens (17:79, 76:26). 'Illa' here, as in many other verses, represents 'never', and not 'except' (11:107-108, 55:33, 87:6-7) "Al-Manar" vol 1. pg 414] 73:3 Half of it, or a little less. 73:4 Or, you shall increase it whenever warranted. And convey the Qur’an in a calm distinctive manner, stage by stage. Here the Qur’an confirms it was not revealed all at once, but the order was pre-arranged by Allah [He is All-Knowing]: 25:32 Those who are bent on denying the truth ask, "Why has not the Qur’an been revealed to him all at once?" But it has been! For, in order to strengthen your heart, We have already arranged it in the Right Order. And We have caused you to convey it to people in stages, step by step. [73:4. The Qur’an has been revealed in its entirety upon the Messenger's heart in the Night of Majesty and conveyed to people in stages over a period of 23 years. 2:185, 44:3, 97:1] Arranging in the right order is not the same as downloading. The following has been interpreted that there was one "download" before being verbalized/written down over time, but it could also mean that the Revelation started to be Revealed at that time, or during that time: 44:2 By this Divine Writ that is clear in itself and makes things clear. 44:3 We have revealed it on a Blessed Night. We have always been warning. [The entire Qur’an was revealed (down-loaded on the Messenger's heart) in a Blessed Night in the month of Ramadhan, 610 CE, and then conveyed to mankind in stages over a period of 23 years. 2:185, 97:1] 97:1 Indeed, We have revealed it in the Night of Majesty. [44:3] 97:2 Ah, what will enlighten you what it is, the Night of Majesty! 97:3 The Night of Majesty is better than a thousand months. [A day of enlightenment is better than a life-time of ignorance] 97:4 The universal forces and the Divine revelation have descended therein, by their Lord's Leave and shall work in concert with every decree to carry out His plan. 97:5 Peace! It is a message of Peace and Security, and inevitably, a new Morning of Enlightenment shall dawn. [39:69] The following says it "is being revealed to him" so it was not a single, one off download, but stage by stage: 53:4 This (Qur’an) is but a revelation that is being revealed to him.

[@ChasinOneTwelve]

Very nice 👍 which Quran translation have you used? I like it and it seems to appeal to me. Thanks in advance.

[@scriptureexamined4664]

I didn't know that Serj Tankian of System Of A Down was a Muslim apologist. XD

[@elmundir]

Sorry but you cant tell quran has been preserved à d then 35:35 saying one of the origins of Qira'at are invented by man Qira'at really is the hardest subject ever if some little word have been fabricated it means maybe Allah didn't protect the quran as we know and we didn't understood the famous verse of preservation as we should I am really really sad about this topic I wish I can forget it I hope God accept us next to him whatever the religion At least thus belief doest change for me since you can't say every non Muslim go to hell since they don't even know So now I use this belief to prevent hopeless feeling maybe I am on the wrong pass but I will do my best so I hope Allah doesn't punish me for my ignorance Allah bless you all and specially you mufti Layth

[@centi50s]

Mufti bring Dr. Hythem sydky

[@gentz8310]

Dr.Shezad Saleem said: " Thousands of sahabas memorized the quran." QUESTION: Hadiths are reporting missing suras or lost suras eaten by a sheep. Why the sahabas didn't just wrote down the missing or eaten parts because they supposedly memorized it?

[@jabbathehut7120]

The Hadith about the sheep eating the parchments is a weak Hadith. You need to remember not all Hadith are authentic and true.

[@supervache5067]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIfLZXePfNaGkNU

[@gentz8310]

@@supervache5067 In case you or Farid know the Quran better than Ubay Ibn Kab or Ibn Masud kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGrWd4p_rtyHm5Y

[@supervache5067]

@@gentz8310 Have you not read the comment section? ;)

[@NeedforSpeedGamesforpc]

​@@mansurhallaj8568 "Tomorrow aya of Quran will also be weak". that will never happen. any abrogations were done by the Prophet himself via revelations. No other Muslim can dare to abrogate any ayah.

[@nyamantiehmongomarah7997]

28:23:28 I find that narrative faulty as well and I think Mufti's facial expressions shows some huge doubt as well.

[@Lifeistransitory1]

I’m shocked that Abu Layth explained it better than Yasir Qadhi 😂

[@phoenixplayz1581]

This explains it even better in 8 minutes kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGObYo2vrtyspJY

[@rayyanamir8560]

"it's something very complex ya aakhi. It shouldn't be discussed in public"🤣🤣🤣. Yasir is an idiot.🤣🤣🤣

[@user-sd2cz8fk2u]

He is a lier.

[@JJ-xo3bc]

@@rayyanamir8560 lol

[@Logia1978]

@@JJ-xo3bc stop insulting people you do not understand. Yasir Qadhi explained what he meant in his facebook page.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

what has qutila and qaatala to do with a recompilaiton in a different vers-order ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

or maalik and malik in the fatiha ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed there were and are no dialectal corans. all qiraat are in the same dialect alledgedly qureyshi. or show me any dialectal word ! or zipit. ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed قُتِلَ is different from قاتل. thats only one difference in wording. and as you are moroccan, you surely know that even the tanqiyd in Warsh is different? qof has a dot below for instance. final qof and noun have no dots, and other differences ...

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@Khalid Ibn Alwaleed Bible deflection doesnt work with me. ^^ The Bible doesnt claim none can change its words. thats a coranic claim. la mubaddil li-kalimatihi. and even maalik and malik is already clearly a changed word. let alone qutila and qaatala. regardless if the doctrine is concerned by that or not. Some islamic scholars used even to claim not a single dot has been changed ever, they seem rather silent actually hhh ;-) (The higher you mount the deeper you fall.)

[@Peter-xf9jy]

ahruf (whatever that is or was) ... implies tahriyf

[@Peter-xf9jy]

makes your book muharraf ...

[@Peter-xf9jy]

fun-fact: the ahruf are even known by name, but none can imagine what it was. hhh a yamani ahruf ... gimme a moment, what can that have been !?

[@debaterofeverythingpresent2775]

al-Hajjaj

[@Peter-xf9jy]

thats ns, sorry, the Hadith mentions clearly the verses of rajm and radha3a. so at lest these exact words should be there. and it even QUOTES the alledgedly eaten stoning vers (with sheykh and sheykha ... hhh

[@Peter-xf9jy]

or you throw all of the Sahihayn under the bus now. ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

and in which school is Zina some kind of muharaba ? then everything unislamic is muharaba and worth the death penalty. mahboul !!!

[@siddiquekatiya8696]

Preservation of Qur’an is a sensitive issue - at present, the Qur’an is under scrutiny and suspect by the orientalist and atheists - my brief reading Dr. Shehzad’s book and his more than 50 hours of videos on this subject published a few years ago - I didn’t find anywhere that respected scholar is mentioning either in introductory or in conclusions “The Quran has reasonably preserved” the variant in Qirats” he made damaging statements that there are four versions of Qur’an today in circulation - It seems he is backtracking and now he is saying that the Qur’an is preserved in memory - other than Asim Qirat other Qiats he considered as unauthentic.

[@hans471]

The "fluid nature" (= not perfectly preserved) of the quran is attested by a multitude of Sahih Hadith (Verses of Breastfeeding, Length of Surah 33, lost Mekkan Surah, ...). Mr. Saleem throws all of them away and responds with the Mantra that the quran has been perfectly preserved, providing little to no evidence. Between the 37 something variants, he claims that the Hafs quran is perfectly preserved? Such an approach where all sources which contradict your claim are ignored is quite shallow and not convincing...

[@shoiabbhat1092]

😂😂😂😂😂 nobody has even bothered to reply you . I took the pity

[@hans471]

@@shoiabbhat1092 Smart move!👍Not smart enough to refute the argument, but you know how to write smileys 🥳😁

[@ChasinOneTwelve]

This is good, but going off your argument the same could be said about anything really...the fluid nature argument is actually pretty strong and arguing against it would just be going around in circles and would lead us to two questions - if whether we believe in it or not... Also from what I understand the so called missing verses from sahih hadith etc(though I believe most of it is irrelevant) does not match up with the quranic style. ✌️

[@Peter-xf9jy]

this narrative "preserved to the least dot" is (was) part of the quranic I3jaz legend.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

I mean, sorry, just look in that textual disorder in the Quran and then tell me its 100% unchanged and preserved. without lying to yourself.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

let alone re-arranged by god himself, with double proof-reading... and one of the 3 alledged last verses is somewhere btw the food.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

The Quran was a miracle as long all non arabs had no access to it, or the praying folks had just access verse-wise ... so they didnt see the whole patchwork.

[@zeinedinegasmi1660]

@@Peter-xf9jy 9 year old boys memorize ithe holy Quran!! If you know someone (your belief will remain a secret I suppose) in your "circle" who can memorize something from his book send me a link!!.. as to in which language is this book, I know that it is a language unknown to the related prophet!!! Bonsoir!!!

[@zeinedinegasmi1660]

@@Peter-xf9jy" textual disorder"?? A foundation of harmony is based on variations of themes.. The learner will not sense the context as overloaded. The worshipers behind the imam will not go for one theme for 20 long minutes!! I think you were inspired by those annoying national registers!! Some people just like them!!

[@Peter-xf9jy]

Medina verses in Makkan suras ... do you call that interpolations ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

so Allah himself recompiled it now, not Uthman ?? XD

[@zeinedinegasmi1660]

@@Peter-xf9jy و من يهن الله فما له من مكرم.. صدق الله

[@ahmadshamil5606]

@@Peter-xf9jy RIP Jesus

[@Peter-xf9jy]

jama3a means to collect - nothing else ... except you add an alif hhh

[@mohamedtoufik9773]

What do you mean By that ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@mohamedtoufik9773 who collected the Quran ? Allah or Zayd ibn Thabit ?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

The Taurat is also called the Dhikr. so whats the point ? hh

[@Peter-xf9jy]

so the Taurat is also protected. ^^

[@cima5878]

@@Peter-xf9jy Yea the parts that we need is preserved in the Qur'an.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@cima5878 Thats not true, and thats not the coranic claim. no changer to his words. rather the Dhikr is preserved, including the allegedly corrupt Taurat. ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

now Allah is responsable for the Qiraat, ... did he also "inspire" the ن superscript in Hafs 21.88 ننجي < نجي ?

[@nyamantiehmongomarah7997]

17:42 Mufti that question is perfect! I don't agree with Dr Saleem's response based on oral tradition. I came from a family with a rich history of oral tradition. Oral tradition is not and never unique, African folklore is based on oral transmission. It's always full of holes.. differences in details... emphasis on so on....we saw all these weakness in the hadiths.

[@nanonorthlabs3375]

Then came Islam and shocked the word with the concept of hadith/isnaad. Even now modern orientalists have agreed by majority that the hadith is a real valid form of historical data.

[@imgguru1277]

@@nanonorthlabs3375 ironic that your name is noise coz that's what you just made

[@Peter-xf9jy]

what would you write on a blank mushaf (manuscript)? ...verbatim like the Mushaf today. Dr. Saleem: Absolutely. ... me: which one ? XDDD

[@Peter-xf9jy]

So Hafs is qiraat al-3ama ... bc Dr. Saleem says so in his thick book. hm

[@John-qo6fs]

Now here is another big liar who is here to support lies.

[@blackyblackcoffee2017]

The Qur'an is the terrain where men are playing Allah

[@hans471]

So the idea is that the quran is preserved in perfect order? Can anyone explain to me why e.g. the Moses story is fragmented in a multitude of incoherent fragments spraid over the quran? Furthermore, even putting these fragmented parts together the story is still incomplete (e.g. the content of the 10 commandments is not even given!). Terrible read!

[@saadraees09]

Exactly. The 10 commandments are supposed to be a pretty big deal. How could god not even talk about it in his final testament?

[@jj-yi1ne]

@@saadraees09 we dont believe in the bible or christianity

[@Peter-xf9jy]

Uthman reportedly said if you disagree rewrite it in the tongue of Quraysh.

[@adult456zig]

Mufti please! There are some matters that we shouldn't be speaking about in public.

[@rayrayndiema]

Why?

[@adult456zig]

@@rayrayndiema it's just something Qadhi said when he was discussing this same topic lol

[@isayaasiin]

Hahaha

[@memememmee7794]

Absolutely false. We're in the information age. If you don't have the answers, find those who do. You owe it to yourself, your family, your community. What do you tell someone who asks you out of genuine curiosity?

[@isayaasiin]

@@memememmee7794 he's being sarcastic. you are supposed to laugh

[@afifkhaja]

Dr. Shehzad acknowledges the missing verses in the Quran as well as the different variations then says that the Quran is perfectly preserved. It would be more accurate to say that the holes in the Quranic narrative are perfectly preserved

[@muhammadasifnawaz2473]

When you do research by sticking with idea of your teachers then it is of no use. Abu layth has clearly better idea of how nafi is better than hafs but still honouring his guest. Dr sahib had no answers of how hafs is declared as standard qirat.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

Why are there tons of hamzat (in all received Qurans) if the Qureyshi dialect didnt pronounce them ???

[@Peter-xf9jy]

did the later reader addthem at their own whim or "talaffudh"?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

why do we have bism بسم and bism بٱسم in the same reading?

[@semmy155]

@Peter Oh so it seems like you're finally no longer forcing the idea that only one Harf or Qira'ah could be written on the Lawh al-Mahfudh. Great. What kind of 'logic' dictates that only one can be correct? I mean, both logically and theologically, that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Like I pointed out, it's not the same with you because you believe that Moses('alayhi salam), as an example, only wrote one Torah and thus, logically speaking, only one of those versions of the Torah that exist can be correct. Once again, ironically, the very objection you raise against Islamic theology is actually applicable onto your belief.

[@semmy155]

No, one doesn't necessarily agree that 'all Bible manuscripts' are aswell on that tablet. That would only be the case IF you would believe that the Lawh al-Mahfudh contains everything (which is an opnion within Islamic theology). In light of that, I personally don't necessarily have a problem with that. It's not suppossed to 'prove' anything with regards to the preservation (on earth). it's simply a general statement to point out that the Qadr is on a preserved tablet -- i.e. that it is unchanged -- which, in turn, is supplementary evidence, glorification and attestation of and to the greatness of God Almighty.

[@semmy155]

@Peter You seem to be dishonest again. I am and was already aware that the Qur'an uses the word 'alwaah' - infact, I actually dedicated a comment to that on your comment on another video sometime ago. Just because the word 'Alwaah' is used does not necessarily mean or imply that it is about that very same Lawh al-Mahfudh. You'd have to provide evidence for it. That's almost as bad as saying 'Person X is a good person. Persons Y & Z are good persons. Therefore, person X, Y & Z are the same person'.

[@semmy155]

@Peter With regards to Hassan and Hasan. No, the only reason why I type it with a double 's' (in my 'last name') is simply because that is the way it is written on my passport. I don't see how and why that has anything to do with the video, the topic at hand or the Qurayshi dialect. And besides, I also know a lot of persons who write it with only one 's'. So your statement 'why do ALL' is not quite correct if it is to be taken at face value and literally (without looking at the intended meaning and contextual meaning ;)).

[@semmy155]

@Peter with regards to the last part of the last comment (i.e. from the part 'So your statement 'why do ALL' is ...' and onwards), I'm being facetious.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

erm, the Quran isss ALSO a hadith (with riwaya and isnad).

[@Peter-xf9jy]

yes there was a standardized arabic, but 200 odd years later. ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

the standard at his time was the dialect of "Qureysh" (what ever that might have been). or did they have two dialects now? one for at the market and one for the Quran only?

[@Peter-xf9jy]

diyn al-yusr hhh

[@saifhaitham4088]

@@Peter-xf9jy OMG, can you just stop talking

[@saifhaitham4088]

@b king Yeah, I was just getting really annoyed with his poor excuse of arguments and spam.

[@marjeru5934]

@@saifhaitham4088 You have run out of real argument. Bravo Peter.

[@nyamantiehmongomarah7997]

25:20 Dr Saleem, the Qur'an is a claim not a proof of itself. refering to a passage in the Qur'an as proof of it authenticity or preservation is problematic. You need to review that's part of your book.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

the Quran itself says we make forget and replace ... ok

[@Peter-xf9jy]

The most "revealing" verse in the whole book.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

if Allah collected the Quran, why did Zaid have to collect it once again ?

[@zeinedinegasmi1660]

@@Peter-xf9jy Allah punished people by the hand of believers!!! If He Feeds a needy person, it is through a good soul!!

[@r-naotwo6290]

but this is exactly what Sheikh Yasir Qadhi said that when u r a beginner u learn to accept what ur teachers tell you but when u go deeper u will find that the narrative doesn't fit So we just accept what u r saying though you confused me more by mentioning all the problems and then coming back to say that the Quran is perfectly preserved Wow! honestly I am more confused!

[@provingislam]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jobWaJmei9Kel7M

[@r-naotwo6290]

@@provingislam Hmm. Thanks but I have watched it already

[@provingislam]

@@r-naotwo6290 there are some recitations with extra words and whatnot for ex there is an ayah in suratul ahzab where allah mentions the nabi is closer to the believers than their own selves and his wives are their mothers. in one recitation it added the words and he is a father to them at the end. that recitation is more than just an accent difference but it still goes back to the companions, it is still one of the ways the Quran was revealed. in surah al fatiha the difference of maalik vs malik does lead to a difference in meaning with the recitation change but both were reported soundly by companions. so no need to worry, all these differences have been reported by companions. they were all of the ways the Quran was revealed.

[@r-naotwo6290]

@@provingislam we were never told these things. I have always been told no changes what so ever Even told that is why the Quran is different from other books right down to the words Then we find out that there are differences in recitations, that was very 'something' ! then the words themselves?? Not only that all the manuscripts that are available do not date to the 1st century of Islam which is reported by others

[@provingislam]

@@r-naotwo6290 im sorry but you say you watched the video i linked you to but that video spends a lot of time reading a manuscript from the time of the prophet. so youre statement that the mauscripts do not date to the 1st century is simply incorrect. so please go to the video and view the section where they read the manuscript.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

If the Quran was perfectly remembered at Mohamets time, why did Zayd have to "collect it from stones and bones"? instead of just reciting it to abi Bakr ??

[@MadeInPython]

Wait so you reject Hadith and only follow the Quran?

[@MadeInPython]

@@c5quared626 .

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@c5quared626 You have 4 pages (2 folios) dated back to - or even before! Mohamets time. if thats the whole quran ok. ^^

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@c5quared626 yes like malik and maalik right in the Fatiha. perfectly memorised, down to the letter! ^^ the Sanaa palimpsest shows huge differences: 5.44 C1 wa-alladhina hadu (+yahkumoun bima nazzala allah fiha [wa-]yahkum bihi) wa-al-rabbaniyoun ... thats what Uthman had ordered to burn, or Hajjaj or who ever.

[@Peter-xf9jy]

@@c5quared626 yes millions of partly different memorizer, thats why Zayid had to collect the Quran instead of just reciting it in one go. ^^