Dr. Stephen Phinney - 'Reversing Type 2 Diabetes with the Virta Treatment: From Bench to Patient'

Dr. Steve Phinney is a physician-scientist who has spent 35 years studying diet, exercise, fatty acids, and inflammation. He has published over 70 papers and several patents. He received his MD from Stanford University, his PhD in Nutritional Biochemistry from MIT, and post-doctoral training at the University of Vermont and Harvard.

[@Cookingathome59]

I have been Keto for three years and off diabetes meds for almost three years. I have totally taken control of my diabetes via food not meds. I am not cured but I am in control. My system was or is too broken. I have hope that it may improve the longer I go. I can’t and don’t cheat... there is no option for me. I have to maintain the lowest carbs I can. I would rather do this then take meds.

[@laydownlays]

same for me....

[@dzvnguyen1]

@@Diabolus_Musica why kind of questions is that? You don't think Nan has done carbs before...use your head

[@SWA81]

Are you type 2 OP?

[@josefinhaggstrom9705]

Hi! Have you tried alternate day fasting (ADF)? If you have skyhigh insulin resistance, doing keto alone might not decrease basal insulin levels enough. I am a T1D so I can see the exact basal insulin levels :) ADF is miracolous for lowering basal insulin. I tried it for 6 weeks and I reduced basal insulin. It still remains, 3 months later. I could not achieve that on keto alone.

[@ketogenicdoctorjeff8461]

I have been on the ketogenic diet for 8 months. I lost 60 lbs in the first seven months and attained my ideal body weight. It's best to combine the ketogenic diet with intermittent fasting. I do one meal a day (23-24 hr fast) five days a week and two meals a day (an 18 hr fast) on the weekends. I eat to satiety. My triglycerides went from 400 to 68 and my HDL cholesterol went from 20 to mid 30s. I expect the HDL cholesterol to improve further with time. Good video. Keep up the good work.

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

I have been full circle on eating habits, diets etc. I have never been overweight just always looked for a healthy way to eat. I am still very athletic at 77 and don't get sick. No meds. I have found what works best for me is IF. I eat everything but only once or twice a day. Sometimes fast for 24 to 48 hours. I'm convinced fasting is the answer no matter what you eat. Our bodies need the chance to repair. Sounds like you have found what works best for you.

[@SWA81]

Omad for 6 days and Sunday 8-16 intermittent fasting. Low carb, high protein, medium plant fats. Hopeful it will reduce my type 2. Goodluck OP

[@highrzr]

It took me two years to get my A1c from 9.8% to 5.1%. For me, it was simple but not easy. I just progressively reduce my carb intake and I'm not talking about the vegetables. The hardest carbs for me to give up were breads and pasta (grains). My total daily carbs now are generally 50g or less and I'm no longer taking insulin or Metformin. I'm no longer "diabetic" enough for my insurance company to pay for a CGM which I cannot afford but would be hugely beneficial.

[@taracat7141]

I have so much respect for this man!

[@KETODiamond]

Simple keto works wonders on reversing type 2 diabetes. Mine was gone really fast! I'll gladly help anyone who needs me to. I am so pleased with the info you share! Thank you!

[@bluesdog88]

I hear it isn't fully reversable if you have had it a while, sound right? Only the damage it caused i suppose

[@BUJU2007]

@@bluesdog88 Depends on your organ health.

[@christinambachu9404]

Please help me if you're still there. My mum has been type 2 for more than 20years. What meds did you take and how did you start, I've been telling her to go keto for years but I don't want anything bad to happen to her because if the meds

[@Elexyr]

​@@christinambachu9404 I'll try an pitch in. With respect to medications when switching to a low carb diet (under 5% of calories), your mother needs to consult with a doctor to carefully control how the bloodsugar and ketones vary. This is done by bloodtests, or a device she can attach to her backside of the upper arm that connects to the phone via app and constantly monitors blood levels. From these levels, the doctor can advise how much to cut back on medication. As stated by Dr. Phinney here, it can be dangerous to change diets without consulting with your doctor if you are on medication. Can't stress that enough. The challenge though, is finding a doctor that does not spout the classic food pyramid and high carb diabetes diet. Good luck!

[@anewlifestirring]

Thank you once again for these groundbreaking presentations and your exemplar humility As a physician, I would be happy to translate your books or presentations into French and to exchange views by private messages if possible

[@sigalsmadar4547]

This is awesome, intensive outpatient care using new technology! Kudos to Virta!!! Type 1 of 43 years, pumper for 20 years, low carber for 10 years. I had to do this on my own. Started with Dr. Eades' book, Protein Power Plan. FYI to my fellow Ds - you gotta incorporate activity to give your insulin more effectiveness, which in turn will lower the overall dose.

[@Anuojat]

Fantastic. Now get jason fung and darthluiggi in here to debate fasting and protein with him! XD

[@YouNolf]

Hahahahah yeeeeeeaah blooooooodddd

[@akanecortich8197]

I find that a table spoon of coconut oil will kick me deeper into Keto if I on the edge of it.

[@IAmTheBlacksmithAndTheBlade]

?? Do you... drink it? LOL how does this work?

[@terrifictomm]

@@IAmTheBlacksmithAndTheBlade Coconut oil is flavorless and great to add to coffee. I switched from coconut oil to MCT oil to feed my brain more ketones for my possible early onset dementia. With MCT oil all of the longer chain triglycerides are removed from the coconut oil do you get more ketones. Again, no flavor.

[@martykendall5111]

When will Dr Phinney update his ‘optimal ketone zone’ to reflect the average blood ketone levels seen at one and two years seen in the Virta trial (i.e. 0.3 mmol/L)? So many people are still chasing elevated ketones with more dietary fat than they need because of this outdated chart! ‘Fat to satiety’ works because it gets people out of the fat+carb hyperpalatable zone, but fat is not satiating when removed from protein. The benefits seen can be explained by reduced appetite, but we now have a better understanding of the various factors that drive satiety that can enable people to achieve better long-term outcomes in terms of fat loss in the long term after glucose stabilises initially. People with better metabolic health tend to have lower BHB values even if they are on a ketogenic diet. Pre-release two-year Virta trial results can be found here showing that BHB at one and two years is 0.3 mmol/L vs baseline 0.2 mmol/L (i.e. not greater than 0.5 mmol/L and not ketogenic based on their own definition.). Does this mean that the Virta study is a failure, or just that we need to update our understanding of how ketones behave after the initial adaption period? www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/11/28/476275.full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3pANIQbBnThqGyokM7T2_7LuMsQ6KsZZKN8twIgOT3LIoeW8wwtxKvlnQ

[@Yer_Da_]

20:59 the first american I've heard pronounce croissant correctly - this alone is reason to trust this man's hard work

[@joecaz]

20:26 Keto adaptation more than doubles the body's use of fat for fuel not just during exercise but at rest This stuff becomes the body's preferred energy source.

[@terrifictomm]

My last blood test reported my A1c as 6.1, down from 6.7, which is pretty good. However, I had asked my doctor to also measure my insulin, something not normally measured. It came in at 20! I am hypothesizing that my issue with stubborn weight is due to too much insulin, both endogenous and exogenous. I decided to switch to carnivore as an experiment. I’ve been eating carnivore for about six weeks now and I’m only taking insulin if my blood sugar is more than 170. My blood sugar seems to be stabilized between 160 and 180. Very high. If I’m not mistaken, this will translate to an HbA1c between 7.2 and 7.9. If I cheat and eat some carbs, only if my body seems to be craving them (I don’t know why), my blood sugar sometimes climbs to just over 200 and I will take up to 20 units if insulin. Sometimes this will lower my sugar to under 80. But it doesn’t stay there. I’m going to ride this out until my next A1c and insulin test. My A1c has been much higher in the past so for the sake of learning I’ll risk it. I’ve had very slow and inconsistent weight lose so far. My weight hadn’t gone down for a couple of weeks when I have into a craving and ate a couple pieces of low-carb (22) toast with peanut butter and butter and the next morning my weight has dropped more than 3lbs! Is that what’s called a “confounding variable”?

[@cheddarpuff]

Personally, I just can't maintain these "ratios". I did Keto for about 5 months (not much weight to lose by the way), and ended up eating way more protein than I ever did before because I was not satiated otherwise. Still stayed in ketosis though (regular blood measuring). But I just didn't feel so great after a while. At first yes, but then my body got weak and my workouts got harder. I started eating more carbs (God-made carbs, not sugar or flour), and feel much better. I still will measure ketones of up to 0.9 after a 15-18 hour fast. Feel better this way!

[@andyp8464]

you're supposed to eat high fat , not protein. I've been doing keto for years and I only never get full for long unless i eat lots of fat. keep the protein lower , fat much higher

[@Julia_Berrrlin]

Sounds like you were not fat adapted at any point

[@leftoverciccia]

I have reversed my insuline resistance and avoided becoming type 2 diabetic when I went keto 3 good years ago. I must say, that I feel much better on the carnivore diet. I am now sort of carnivore/keto and my health improved even more.

[@yumyumkitty2104]

What’s your cholesterol levels like? You don’t ever desire a few cookies? Candy? A fruity drink? A slice of cake? I don’t mean eat a ton in one sitting; just a normal portion size.

[@aos32]

@@yumyumkitty2104 From personal experience, if you stop eating cookies, candy, cake or drink sweet drinks you will also stop craving those foods. Very simple.

[@afringedweller]

What does Keto look like at a glance? Chart 14:20

[@elguwapo]

I wanna work for Virta!

[@annfraley7083]

I would like to know whether keto acidosis is the same condition known as insulin shock. I tried googling it, but nada

[@Julia_Berrrlin]

What is insulin shock? If it's too much or too less sugar in blood then no

[@marytandy4532]

Q. Are people truly having issues with flour or the chemicals and pesticides used to grow and dry the grain?

[@andyp8464]

problem is grains do need some processing to be edible. eating wheat fully unprocessed is not good for you or edible. yes pesticides make things worse but wheat is marching military fodder, not a food of choice. also modern wheat contains gluten which is harmful to your gut. look up "leaky gut "

[@kimberlycooper4170]

People have beem getting obesity and type 2 diabetes since at least ancient Greek times. So for humans, carbohydrate-intolerance has been around long before pesticides. Although, that doesn't mean pesticides don't do bad things to the body.

[@SWA81]

Carbs?

[@susiehulcher1494]

Gluten in ancient wheat was way lower. Plus modern threshers did not allow the wheat to rest in the field. Then our modern lifestyle had us impatient to wait on starter cultures.

[@wowtrailers5329]

What are the 4 stages of diabetes?

[@angeruandrei8424]

What organ is affected by diabetes?

[@grahamstewart8636]

Phinney, like others, tells us what our macro nutrient intake should be "if we have weight to lose" but never seem to address those who are already thin. I have been on the ketogenic diet for 4 months. All of my markers have improved significantly and I am off my diabetic meds, which is great. But I have also lost 18 lbs and my BMI is now 19. I am skinny as a rake, always have been thin, and really don't want to lose more weight. Am I forced to choose between diabetes control and healthy weight? I wish someone like Phinney would mention how the diet might be adjusted for people like me.

[@mishman]

Yeah just eat more fat and a bit more protein! Also maybe tone back on IF if you’re doing that.

[@spaceghost8995]

Just eat more meat dude.

[@saxgirlhornboy6458]

Thoroughly explained in his books (Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Living: New Atkins for a New You) and his earlier videos. (The JumpstartMD channel has a long interview broken into segments by topic.)

[@afringedweller]

Dr. Phinneys' (and Voleck's) book, New Atkins for a new you has lengthy, detailed descriptions and eating plans as well as recipes to handle what you're asking about.

[@cindykc2165]

The book Fighting Insulin Resistance with Strength Training by William Y. Shang might be helpful, he explains why even thin people get type 2 diabetes.

[@flutterbyenterprises8452]

Done Keto for years but still diabetic. Would love to have more help....

[@Elexyr]

Dr. Paul Mason has some insights on that. As well as Dr. Ekberg (has his own youtube channel). If you are very insulin resistant (as I suspect you are by still being diabetic on a keto diet), what research has found (See Ekberg etc), it may require you to go on extended fasts. Doing fasts you most likely need to up your sodium intake. By that I mean starting out 24 hr between meals, then working your way over weeks/months to get a few 5 day fasts where you drink nothing but water and add some necessary salt during the day. Light walking helps this process too. Do not do any kind of high to moderate intensity stuff when going for a 4-5 day fast due to dangers of muscle loss. Only light, as with a 20 min walk daily. You may need to do this for quite some time, 6 months to a year, where you squeeze in a 3-5 day fast maybe every 2-3 weeks. And the rest of the time stick to an eating window of about 4-8 hours, and thereafter no caloric intake (not even fluids with calories), safest is water only when not eating. I wish you luck. It is a difficult thing to do at start, though it gets much easier with time.

[@flutterbyenterprises8452]

@@Elexyr Thank you for your reply it gives a way to go forward and some hope.

[@Julia_Berrrlin]

Check out the keto continuum

[@Jan96106]

I don't get fat hunger. I get sugar hunger.

[@SamuraiBatgirl]

Sounds like an addiction. I understand how that goes.

[@yvonneclem351]

Check out videos on the need for salt. Apparently the body’s need for salt can be interpreted by the brain as a sweet craving. Pretty interesting stuff

[@SWA81]

Get sugar diabetes

[@mattmoo1007]

Dr. Steve Phinney is the Godfather of Keto...leave the cannoli and take the bacon.

[@Joe-kt7zp]

I just called him the Godfather in a message to a friend 😄

[@SevanStick]

It‘s not that easy buddy

[@pamisntcraiganymore]

What if your blood sugars are normal but your ketones are high, like over 8. ?

[@SWA81]

MDnow says you're dying

[@SevanStick]

I don‘t know if that is very likely or measure error. I could only imagine that protein intake must be very high and therefore turns into glucose.

[@Nullabore]

So I am Vegan Diabetic type 2 in y 70's I do a lot of exercise I think I'm on the outer when speaking of this process

[@Elexyr]

I'll copy paste an answer from another comment which is relevant to you as well: Dr. Paul Mason has some insights on that. As well as Dr. Ekberg (has his own youtube channel). If you are very insulin resistant (as I suspect you are by still being diabetic on a keto diet), what research has found (See Ekberg etc), it may require you to go on extended fasts. Doing fasts you most likely need to up your sodium intake. By that I mean starting out 24 hr between meals, then working your way over weeks/months to get a few 5 day fasts where you drink nothing but water and add some necessary salt during the day. Light walking helps this process too. Do not do any kind of high to moderate intensity stuff when going for a 4-5 day fast due to dangers of muscle loss. Only light, as with a 20 min walk daily. You may need to do this for quite some time, 6 months to a year, where you squeeze in a 3-5 day fast maybe every 2-3 weeks. And the rest of the time stick to an eating window of about 4-8 hours, and thereafter no caloric intake (not even fluids with calories), safest is water only when not eating. I wish you luck. It is a difficult thing to do at start, though it gets much easier with time.

[@rob.porter]

Every time I try the ketogenic or carnivore diets, I end up succumbing to carbs, such as ice cream with berries, to restore my energy. What's the solution?

[@rfshields1]

My experience, after being in constant Ketosis for 4 months, is that I haven’t been as energetic or mentally alert in many years. Just say NO to carbs and stay on track.

[@BUJU2007]

I would say to start NJ intermittent fasting and slowly extend the time and gradually reduce carbs. Removing sugar is the best thing to do.

[@grahamstewart8636]

There are a number of keto ice cream recipes that are very simple to make and have very low carbs. My wife makes a batch that lasts weeks. Google Gnom Gnom for the recipies.

[@DirceuCorsetti]

Willpower. When you surpass the 2 weeks barrier, the carb cravings disappear. And help yourself, if you are constantly on a situation where there's carb available, you may end up cheating, and cheating sets you back to zero mark. Find some keto snacks you'd like and have them around. When the cravings come, have a keto snack. Cheers

[@cantankerouspatriarch4981]

What's wrong with ice cream and berries 1x per week to restore depleted glycogen?

[@cherylmcduff5388]

What blood tests do you need to see if you are insulin resistant.

[@alisonjane5364]

possibly a glucose tolerance test?

[@tiredlookingforname]

As far as I know fasting insulin could be used for that. Unfortunately the test's cost is over $100 and a lot of times insurance companies do not cover it.

[@peterpetersen7352]

You do not need a blood test to determine if you are insulin resistant. If you are overweight, it is because you are, or that you have prediabetes. Tim Noakes had diabetes even though he was training him self slim, so if you exercise a lot you may have insulin resistance even though you are not overweight. But if you are overweight you are insulin resistant.

[@mishman]

Peter Petersen Yes indeed, well put!

[@spaceghost8995]

If you have any weight trouble at all, even without overeating badly, you are likely insulin resistant.

[@stanlycam]

30g total carbs or net ?

[@mishman]

stanlycam he said total but I suspect he meant net, if you’re not seeing the results you want, then just drop them more.

[@spaceghost8995]

ALWAYS GO WITH TOTAL NUMBER.

[@markread3584]

The frequently referenced range for being in ketosis is between 20-50 grams of NET carbs. If there are "added sugars" listed on the product level you can roughly deduct half of those added sugar carbs to further lower the net carbs. The reason is that depending on what mix of artificial sugars they add to the food, the body is not able to absorb half of those carbs.

[@LaraBisserier]

Always total, net is cheating

[@missing1person]

How old is Dr Steve??

[@SamuraiBatgirl]

I think late 60s or early 70s. I remember reading it somewhere a year or so ago, but I can't find it now nor can I remember the exact age.

[@samuelreiter6412]

Dude looks great for his age.

[@mabondavis4838]

hello, very informative video. my cousin was also suffering from this condition. he visited many hospitals but no one cures this disease. one day he visited planet ayurveda and they gave him a diabetes care pack. now he is fit and fine.

[@jdtown6585]

Fit and fine? Sounds like he is probably still diabetic.

[@bloatedman]

So a two week fast will be most beneficial?

[@evaeyez9379]

bloatedman where did you get that from this presentation???!!!

[@DarkoFitCoach]

wtf u on about son?

[@nameremoved4010]

I'll suggest 2 days a week with 300 to 500 calories during the 'fasting days'. A couple of eggs in the morning and a lettuce type salad at night. If you are adjusted to a high fat diet it is easy.

[@SWA81]

Give it a shot and come back with results

[@lizakiesling1289]

I am so miffed I am type 2 . Strict keto for 2 years. I lowered my carbs to leafy greens (under 20) yet my A1C went from 5.0 to 5.9. Blood tested in ketosis above 0.5 usually 0.8 sometimes 2.

[@julien1978-2]

I don’t see how it is even possible, maybe you are not doing it correctly because I’ve never heard of that

[@samuelreiter6412]

When one has Type 2 diabeties for a long time, it’s more difficult to reverse it.

[@ReversingDiabetes]

Keto alone didn't fix mine either. Keto + fasting did.

[@michaeldemarillac9992]

6.4 or less is still successful reversal of type 2 diabetes. You can try Metformin if you can handle GI side effects as it has longevity health benifits according to this doctor in other videos.

[@Elexyr]

I'll copy paste an answer from another comment which is relevant to you as well: Dr. Paul Mason has some insights on that. As well as Dr. Ekberg (has his own youtube channel). If you are very insulin resistant (as I suspect you are by still being diabetic on a keto diet), what research has found (See Ekberg etc), it may require you to go on extended fasts. Doing fasts you most likely need to up your sodium intake. By that I mean starting out 24 hr between meals, then working your way over weeks/months to get a few 5 day fasts where you drink nothing but water and add some necessary salt during the day. Light walking helps this process too. Do not do any kind of high to moderate intensity stuff when going for a 4-5 day fast due to dangers of muscle loss. Only light, as with a 20 min walk daily. You may need to do this for quite some time, 6 months to a year, where you squeeze in a 3-5 day fast maybe every 2-3 weeks. And the rest of the time stick to an eating window of about 4-8 hours, and thereafter no caloric intake (not even fluids with calories), safest is water only when not eating. I wish you luck. It is a difficult thing to do at start, though it gets much easier with time.

[@user-oz5ew8lq1h]

👍👍👍

[@anir8023]

How old is this man ? Is this fresh year old video ? I just compare him to PhD Raymond Peat, microbiologist, who is around 85, eats fruits, roots and lean meat. Looks fantastic, no eye bags (common for keto ppl ), sharp mind, very fit . #raypeat

[@SevanStick]

If your guy eats fruits, roots and lean meat he is everything but on keto.

[@iss8504]

Phinney is 72. Alot of the visible effects of aging is sun related. He does a lot of biking and outdoor activity. I have a friend who lived in Arizona for 30 years, fit and outdoors all the time and at 58 she is more wrinkly than my 75 year old mom who covered herself from the sun when she did go out (for a walk, no 3 weeks climbing the Andes and whitewater rafting!). If u live in n a dry place, that takes its toll on the skin too. My friend moved to the humidity of ny and she said people look a lot younger. But still agree. He looks kind of old. Another friend of mine, vegan, looks like he is 100 but he just turned 70...and he's looked about 100 for the past 20 years....wrinkly and saggy. Very fit otherwise. Thin and gaunt looking tho

[@VenomTheCat]

What does "reversing" really mean? Does it mean they just don't need to medicate? does it mean their blood sugar levels are in the normal range? or does it mean that their glucose levels are normal even after eating at breadstick and a pasta dinner at the olive garden like someone that is not diabetic? in 10:30 he talks about it but I don't quite understand.

[@mishman]

My interpretation is that one can normalize their blood sugar and eliminate symptoms but if they begin eating carbs again, they quickly regain insulin resistance and metabolic disease.

[@mjpucher]

It means that people who get diabetes T2 are carb intolerant. So you can either eat carbs and have diabetes or eat no carbs and be healthy. If you eat a reasonable amount of carbs with intermittent fasting so that your glucose and insulin can come down, you can consider it a reversal with no or less medication. If you think you can go back to binge on carbs then you are going back to what caused the disease in first place.

[@SevanStick]

Just all of what you said because it corellates causally.

[@chompnormski]

Or..............it’s all of the glyphosate used on fruits, grain and vegetables since the 90’s

[@SevanStick]

Probably not 😂. But it‘s easier to have one bad guy.

[@bernardmauge9220]

I am a type 2 with normal A1c and no medications. I follow a strict keto with very little carbs. Everything I eat is organic. Lots of leafy greens, eggs ,cheese and lard. I am a bit confused with this study since he adjusted the meds according to the blood sugar but never stopped them. What is he proving by restricting carbs and still using medications? If his patients used vegetable oils, and consumed fat from non organic source, they were eating lypotoxins from sick animals GMO corn fed in cages etc. Half of the battle in Diabetes is to address chronic inflammation caused by linoleic acid and hyperinsulinemia. The carbs are just one part of the puzzle. There are plenty of studies showing the same results with high carbs low fat and protein diets. Each individual metabolizes carbs differently this is why these clinical trials are a waste of time. the truth is once you get sick you will never be able to eat both carbs and animal protein and fat at the same time for the rest of your life. No more pizza or burgers with fries ever. You have to first understand what causes Insulin resistance at the cellular level. No one knows.. I would guess processed food, hi refined carbs vegetable oils as well as milk, meat and fat from GMO fed animals as the probable culprits. Plus of course hi fructose from corn. But these doctors want to sell their books, so they never go against agricultural or pharma lobbies. If you tell people they have been poisoned for the past 75 years you are not going to sell books and get invited to international seminars." Just tell them to stop eating carbs, buy a canoe and a harpoon. It is easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled". Mark Twain

[@yumyumkitty2104]

How are your cholesterol levels?

[@terrifictomm]

Still too many carbs! Wonderful results! Very impressive and encouraging. 60%? Average A1c is 6.2? Still too many carbs!

[@charlestait5303]

Stay on Metformin ? WHAT? Bad advice!

[@yumyumkitty2104]

What’s wrong with Metformin?

[@martinirving3824]

For some reason, maybe the slightly limp wrists, Phinney reminds me of the original depictions of the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland.

[@spaceghost8995]

STFU ASSHOLE.

[@Photologistic]

Hey Marty, say “hi” 👋🏻 to all our pals at Domino Sugar and Pilsbury for me! Miss you guys-keep trolling!

[@afringedweller]

Do you really think it's necessary to express on the net, dumb things like that? You embarrass yourself when you do.

[@martinirving3824]

Reply to self, Never underestimate just how stupid people are these days. Idiocracy has arrived.

[@ellenorbjornsdottir1166]

Gday folks. I fasted 24 hours and it made me diabetic & eating fixed it. What's wrong w me?

[@Ihatelightbulbs]

Idk, but i think that emotional or physical stress can trigger a type of diabetes, as a sort of immune or defence responce.

[@LaraBisserier]

No, fasting 24 hours cannot make you diabetic!!!

[@Jan96106]

Elleanor: If your blood sugars were higher, it is because your liver kept releasing glucose into your blood stream. Eating something, especially fat or protein, will stop your liver from releasing glucose. The insulin released as a result of eating will stop it. I have that same problem. I am diabetic.

[@RonaldMcPaul]

@@LaraBisserier - Fasting made me type 7 diabetic.

[@andyp8464]

how did you measure your diabetes symptoms ? increase in blood sugar ? or it could be you live in the southern hemisphere and everything there is upside down

[@PaulMelzer]

Vegan diabetics may find better health, and here is where I doubt the long term success of veganism, regardless of the success of reducing the T2 diabetes. Would like to hear Phinney on a panel with Saladino and other carne mds discuss.