Dr. Stephen Phinney - 'The Case For Nutritional Ketosis'

[@mavr1215]

I have been following the LCHF / Ketogenic lifestyle advocated by Stephen Phinney and others for the past 14 months. The weight loss has been great, the reversal of pre-diabetes, hypertension, fatty liver, IBD, inflammed joints, eczema, hay fever and gum disease has been amazing. But the icing on the cake (excuse the pun:-) is not having to fight the constant, relentless hunger that ruled my life and tormented me for years - I feel truly liberated. I now understand that I am no different from my northern European ancestors who evolved to survive long harsh winters. I need to eat like them if I'm to survive my modern environment of abundance. I will be forever grateful to those people like Stephen Phinney who challenged the current dogma and went against the grain 🙂

[@wodzefag8062]

very well said sir!

[@heidivernathorbjornsen475]

Very true - thank you for your words ❤️ I’m happy you have improved so much in your health !

[@MrBetweenbars]

Well said. A couple of months in for me and feeling great too, with similar results to yours already.

[@jimwaqa8503]

I've been on a intermittent fasting for a month and at same token having keto meals, low carb high protein, fasting any 5 days inside 7 days, having all the benefits you mentioned, I noticed you added a healthier gum, just realised been noticing I feel a healthier change in gums. So for me, Intermittent fasting, keto meals, gym workout has improved my health. Go going all, inch by inch well get there 🙏🙏🙏

[@yt555555]

Gingivitis translate as gum inflammation. 2 months in I had no more bleeding gums and no more hay fever and no more achy joints. Also lost 10Kg of inflammation. Carnivore for optimal health

[@markfrombriz]

He talks with an easy confidence that comes with walking the walk and a deep understanding of his subject matter

[@steveryan4410]

Agree with U Mark 100%

[@newcheese8554]

Lchf, fasting and ketosis is by far the biggest factor that helped my brain fight IV meth addiction..

[@Jefferdaughter]

Good for you! You may find this presentation useful: Dr. Georgia Ede, MD 'The Brain Needs Meat...' kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4OaeWyumrKMg6c Ede's presentations on the negative effects of sugar and industrial seed oils on mental health are also available on YT, if you are interested.

[@letzte_maahsname]

Good to hear, I hope you're still doing fine. LCHF also helped me get off amphetamine (for ADHD). Miracle stuff.

[@alphacause]

Every time I watch a lecture from Dr. Stephen Phinney, he always impresses me. Thank you for uploading this.

[@mmayerdo]

Nice lecture. 13 months on the program, lost 60 lbs,LDL 66, A1c 5.9, knees don't hurt, and tennis game has never been better.

[@sitecentralhost]

@Mark Mayer LDL 66. Is that good? Mine is nearly 200 and I think it is good. my HDL is 78 and I also think it is good. Or do you mean you lost 66. Am I confused?

[@Leo-eb1wl]

@@sitecentralhost the most important is the triglyceride to HDL ratio. Below 1.5 is good, below 1 is ideal.

[@carrollhoagland1053]

Right ... you and Dr. Noakes ... finally understood how metabolism works and stores energy ... and I thank you for that, as this should in time eliminate bad science that has influenced the last two generations. Big Fan, also Dr. Volek, Dr. Westman, Champ, D'Agostino, Lustig ... et al. 70 Going On 100 ... the Centenarian Diet

[@voltaspeeder17]

This guy is my hero and i thank him deeply for all that he's done. Nothing fancy about him, but he makes so much sense and he's so enjoyable to listen to. Thank you for uploading this! :)

[@peterepsha1801]

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[@scottvalletta9961]

hi

[@kimstephen6302]

Totally agree. Very smart, down to earth guy.

[@kmichalene]

voltaspeeder17 I completely agree with you. He’s a wonderful teacher!

[@headturner3775]

Dr. Phinney, your work is amazing. Do you have a schedule of where you will be speaking and when? I am a new found lover of the ketogenic diet and beta hydroxybutyrate!! This to me is the answer for everything I've searched for, for health, for fat loss, for muscle gain without the "bulk" phase. Thank you for the decades spent on researching!

[@Jefferdaughter]

According to some- from the Mediterranean, or their parents were - that diet contained fewer sugar and starch carbs than indicated in this chart. In addition to olive oil, this diet traditionally contained a lot of high fat pork, and fatty fish. Plus poultry with the skin and subcutaneous fat layer, including ducks and geese, which Americans rarely eat. And lots of eggs. Also, Jerry Brunetti (his videos on KZbin are fascinating for those interested in nutrition and/or how high quality food can and should be sustainably raised in an eco-friendly manner) says the traditional pastas of Italy contained lots of eggs 'with just enough flour to hold the eggs together'. Most pasta consumed in the USA has no eggs. A lot of the 'carbs' in the traditional Mediterranean diet are from non-starch plant sources. Interesting to contemplate...

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

Shhhh!! Don't tell Dr. Keys . . .

[@Pjohal100]

Phenomenal Dr Phinney as always. I just came off of another 7 day water fast and am fully Ketogenic. I do both intermittent fasting and high fat.

[@pticman]

Dr. Phinney is my favorite. He is a much better speaker than Dr. Attia who had no studies done under his belt and acts arrogantly like he's the best of everything.

[@dennisroland5654]

Lived among the Eskimos in northwest Alaska for over 20 years. Seal oil is served with every meal; people eat as much as they want (in other words, to satiety). I went for 3 months one spring on just caribou meat and fat/marrow, with homemade whole milk yogurt for dessert. Felt normal...just less stool. Used dried fish and whale blubber one summer while working on St. Lawrence Island. (Fresh whale blubber is the best...tastes a bit like coconut oil.)

[@lordmetroid]

After eating LCHF for a while and then switching to a high carb diet makes me sick and nauxious.

[@DelbertStinkfester]

+Lord Metroid Ya me too....If I cheat on the LCHF and go have a Big Mac and fries I will feel sick and icky for the rest of the day....That stuff truly is poison

[@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82]

Lord Metroid tell me about it dude. I've been fasting and eating high fat religiously for 2 weeks and I decided to carb up today and right now I feel inflamed, bloated and anxious, depressed and got 4 hours sleep xc

[@mwilliamson4198]

Yeah one of the worst things is to eat High-GI carbs (sugars) when you break the keto diet. I did it the other day with a very small amount of chocolate mousse and yep I felt horrible for a few hours too.

[@carrollhoagland1053]

First time for me ... and I agree, as been on ketogenic for 2 months ... weight down 10% ... blood sugar normal ... wating for HDL to come up .. 70 Going On 100

[@samnz3947]

Yes a lot of work done by him and others on ketosis and diet and health... thanks to that...

[@miskokinoo]

2 years on this diet, now, and stronger and healthier than ever.

[@vtshadow314]

+Misko Keto I am only just beginning. It is changing my life. Only been doing it for 4 weeks this Saturday and I know I am still adapting but damn I have already gone from 385 to 363 in those 4 weeks. It REALLY WORKS!!!. I hope it wasn't all muscle. lol I would be devastated. I was 385 with 225 LBM. I know I need more salt though. Every day at the end of my day after peeing for the 3rd or 4th time I feel my heart rate climb higher and higher. I get home and drink some salt water and it comes back down. I am only getting about 2800 MG a day from food intake. And the Dr recommended 5 grams so I am short about 2200 MG. And drinking 3 liters of water a day I pee most of the sodium I take in right back out. I want the high heart rate crap to stop so I will be increasing my sodium intake. I thought it was potassium or calcium deficiency doing it. NOPES!!!

[@briandemarest6222]

Follow up report?

[@vtshadow314]

Brian Demarest Well its Mid July. Since going KETO, I have incorporated Heavy Intermittent fasting. I was doing 18:6 Fasting and then transitioned to 23:1 where I eat a single meal in a day. Doing So I have made more progress then I dreamed. I am down a TOTAL of 102 pounds as of Friday past. I only weigh in on Fridays. So In Total I have gone from 417 pounds down to 315 pounds. I have not been measuring inches lost. I probably should have. I am also supplementing Potassium, Sodium and Magnesium. and I feel better than I have for 2 decades. Lately I dabble on the hairy edge of Keto. Sometimes as high as 60 Grams of Carbs. But that's ok because I average 1500 calories a day TOTAL. No I am not starving. Life is good. Autophagy and Cellular Apoptosis are doing their job nicely. My Insulin resistance is GONE. I have embraced my new understanding of what food is and how fasting effects the body. Again, life is good.

[@briandemarest6222]

KNUCKLES - Good job, man. 60 carbs is a ton but the fasting probably keeps you in keto?

[@vtshadow314]

Brian Demarest Easily. And I VERY VERY rarely do that. VERY rarely.

[@Jefferdaughter]

Steffanson, on his 'meat and fat only' diet was accessing nutrients not present in muscle meats - via the brains, marrow, and organ meats that few Americans eat. These traditional and nutritious animal-source foods were highly valued, until the industrialization of the food system, as they do not keep nor ship well. The Weston A. Price Foundation website, and the Price - Pottenger website have more info on traditional (pre-Industrialization) diets, and where to source pasture-raised meats, butter, etc.

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

In particular, the researchers who doubted Stefansson worried that he would come down with scurvy on his all-meat and fat diet. According to Phinney in a different lecture, it was only recently that researchers discovered that the body handles vitamin C much differently in ketosis, and needs much less in the diet, which is why the organ meats and marrow are so important--they contain enough vitamin C to keep you going if you eat no fruits or vegetables at all. (Taubes says in one of his books that Stefansson retired to a small village in England, and says that Stefansson used to joke that it was lucky for him that no one else in the village understood the value of fat in the diet, because it meant that the local butcher saved all the fat for him and sold it to him very cheaply!)

[@kmichalene]

What a good teacher this guy is!!!

[@taradrolma2774]

Very informative. thank you for posting. I have been on a Keto diet for just over a year and I love it.

[@carmenbannerman1056]

This is another reason why I respect Dr Stephen Phinney. Yes, he obviously promotes low carb, BUT he wouldn't say we should ALL be on it. He even says in one other video that he'd dislike having a diet named after him.. Therefore, to me at least, this dude doesn't have a hidden agenda, this isn't a business op for him. He comes across as very genuine and passionate in helping people get healthier. In a sea of quacks, it is great to come across this dude....Also, he has a soothing voice, very digestible. ;D

[@carmenbannerman1056]

just realised i said dude about 5 times.. haha!

[@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82]

Carmen Bannerman he's wrong on muscle oxidation during a fast but an amazing presentation none the less 🐱

[@sitecentralhost]

@@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82 Can you explain and show proof. I honestly would appreciate it.

[@lashyliam9862]

The benefits of keto continually blow my mind, I understand your excitement talking about it because it happens when I talk about too 👏👏

[@carrollhoagland1053]

Observation here are great, since the AMA has failed in there mission, these research type MD's, are moving ahead of the AMA, NIH, and Chemical Industry. Elite athletes are going ketogeneic as this provides an energy reserve of 50-80,000 Kcal, vs 3-4,000 Kcal of stored carbohydrates. Results are improving performance essentially across the board. This is not unexpected as it was known that native Americans could run down their prey. Bows and Arrow we used for war as it was not necessary for hunting since most animals like deer, could only run a mile or two., which is also true of African "Hunter Gathers" also. Humans are long distance runners, whereas animals are sprinters. Our elite athletes will be the test and prove this theory and by adding micronutrients from greens for a balance we can avoid Dr Ames' Triage Theory of Nutrition. This should promote the "Longevity Vitamins" and allow the body to use its own antioxidant genes. It is known that carbohydrates depress the body's own defenses. 70 Going On 100

[@sitecentralhost]

@Carrol Hoagland Grate Comment! Thank you very much for the extra information provided.

[@MrMikedykes]

Loads of great information backed up with good research. I have been using Ketosis for weight loss and loss 50lbs since February, I now cycle in and out of ketosis to maintain the weight loss. When I want to get back into Ketosis, would exercise burn up the remaining glycogen in my system and make my body produce ketones and enter ketosis quicker? I am now a regular runner and also go to the gym a few times a week, I have been pondering this for a while now!

[@Miss_PANDAS]

Thank you Dr. Phinney for all your excellent work on this subject. So hard to change the anti- fat dogma that still persists in modern day culture. I am currently looking into the fascinating ways of the Inuit people and just to point out something that you may or may not know; a science researcher actually did discover that these cultures obtained high levels of vitamin C through consumption of whale skin and muktuk. A 100 g piece provided an impressive 36 mg that was easily conserved through freezing or eating it raw. Other sources came from caribou liver, seal brain and kelp. They weren't lacking anything! A very sophisticated group of people indeed.

[@internationalsmiles]

Best expert and I had seen almost every keto channels who claim "experts" and doctors too

[@pniiice]

Down 250 pounds on low-carb. In the process of switching to Keto.

[@dana102083]

How is it going for you? Huge benefits for keto vs low carb :)

[@Jefferdaughter]

Consuming blood was not limited to the Masai. Blood pudding was commonly eaten in the UK until very, very recently. Also blood sausage, etc. Meats must be properly drained of blood to keep well, but our human ancestors around the world would likely not have wasted such a valuable source of nutrition.

[@_7.8.6]

Jefferdaughter still kind of disgusting. Especially black pudding

[@friedmandesigns]

@@_7.8.6 Every . Single. Hominin. On Spaceship Earth eats life to live. Whether it's animal meat, the eggs of other species, the seeds / grains / nuts (babies) of other species. Why would blood pudding be any more or less disgusting than eating any other form of life? :) Cheers.

[@Jefferdaughter]

Instead of black coffee, try coffee with cream-m and no sugar. Any decent coffee with enough full fat milk and/or cream doesn't need any sugar, especially as one's taste is reset as one stops eating lots of starch and sugar. For those concerned about lactose, there is very little in cream. But even our milk yields over 1 quart of cream per gallon just skimmed off the top- which leaves a lot of fat in the rest of the milk. All fresh squeezed from 100% pasture/ grassfed Jersey cows, of course. The milk or cream buffers the acidity of the coffee- a boon to flavor and the body.

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

I actually prefer coffee black, but am considering starting putting cream in again, since I recently went LCHF. The point is not to lose weight (although that is a welcome side-effect), but rather to stave off metabolic disease, since it runs in both sides of my family. I am lucky to be of northern European extraction, so am still producing lactase even in adulthood--fortunate, because I love dairy. It is very pleasant to be tightening my belt and fitting into clothes I haven't been able to wear for a few years. It is also very interesting not to feel the constant hunger that results from eating carbohydrates. I surprised myself a couple of weeks ago by getting so full I had to put half my plate of food away--never was able to do that before!

[@Jefferdaughter]

@@bigbenhebdomadarius6252 - Go wild and try putting coffee into your CREAM. If you can get raw cream from 100% grassfed cows, cream that is visibly far thicker than milk... I think you will find that this is at least a nice alternative to black coffee. I used to take my coffee black. Not any more!

[@federicobenincasa9827]

as he says, Fung has different data on muscle loss, so why don't they compare them?

[@Jefferdaughter]

They have each been convinced by their own data... so they disagree. That said, both Dr. Fung and Dr. Phinney have so much valuable info to offer, and they agree on basically everything else except long-term fasting. This presentation by Mean Ramos, who works with Dr. Fung, answers Dr. Phinney's concerns based on Dr. Fung's patients: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4qWlHuthN52o9k Among the points made is that Dr. Phinney and Jeff Volek, PhD have primarily studied very lean, high performance athletes. Fung and Ramos work primarily with diabetic and pre-diabetic patients, overweight, who have been eating high or very high carb diets. They found that many of their patients could not afford to switch to 'a well formulated ketogenic diet' - though this can be much less expensive than people often think. ( It does require thinking differently about food, and understanding that a smaller amount of foods like eggs, real butter, fatty cuts of meat, etc are more filling than the same volume of carb-laden foods. It helps if we slow down when we eat, savor the flavor, and enjoy the company of family or friends when we eat, so the body has time to realize it is satisfied.) Check out their talks. Even if they disagree, we can all take what makes sense to us from each of them to apply to our lives.

[@sitecentralhost]

@@Jefferdaughter Good clarification, thank you very much. Can you edit Dr Funks associate's name? it is Megan Ramos. Not Mean...

[@ocrun6765]

Nice pic. Used to climb that in the summer with my brother and ski down. 2.2K nematodes gave this a thumbs up. I hope they take advantage of their extra 7 days.

[@protoword10]

I just want to say thank you sir!

[@kmichalene]

Why did the calcification and lesions develop in Stephenson (sp)?

[@Discovery_and_Change]

3:18 So if you're in ketosis should you not fast in order to avoid "starvation ketosis"?

[@Rhombohedral]

10:57 The Ornish diet is even more sad then sad

[@mwilliamson4198]

Good presentation. Found it quite difficult to keep up with it in parts owing to the jargon.

[@garzascreek]

What works for me on the complicated ones is to come back after a few months and watch again. I notice things I missed the first time.

[@heathertaylor7164]

Will you address hormone changes in some women and how it can actually have some cons instead of pros ?

[@AbhishekAnandVideos]

Does someone have the PDF he is talking about at 6:00: the chapter of the book describing Cahill's experiment showing that after adaptation, people do fine when their glucose is driven down to negligible levels.

[@travis-heaps]

only thing i find strange is all the requirements for electrolyte supplementation. I've heard organ meats might help this, but if keto is adaptive, why would it require 21st century adjustments? How could his example of the two men eating meat for a year, not include some anecdotes about muscle cramps and other ailments?

[@Myperfectshell]

I think the water we used to drink had more minerals in it.

[@Jean-yn6ef]

💚🏜️ I do regular (monthly) 3-7 day water fasts and my lean mass has improved... so I'm not loosing a 1/4 pounder per day. 49 year old peri menopausal female.

[@gcgrabodan]

Has anyone experience with using ketogenic diet for non-endurance sports? Kickboxing, weightlifting, wrestling... Where you need a lot of energy in a short amount of time? Because I found I can train for 2 hours on a keto diet but I couldnt make as many squads and pushups and kicks in a row as when I am eating lots of carbs...

[@JennWest-Liberty]

With metabolic disorder I have lost quiet a bit of weight in the last few months without having to spend hours at the gym or jogging ten miles a day on the Ketogenic diet. I have also noticed that i can not take over the counter or doctor prescribed medicines because they are way to strong, however i can take herbal medicines and other natural remedies and they work very well for me.

[@nurlanmustafayev1901]

Interestingly, academics do not talk about the long term health effects of constantly changing the metabolism from glucose to keton energy.

[@headturner3775]

Are there any vidoes / studies done on ketogenic diets for pregnancy? Learning how important ketones and beta hydroxybutyrate is for the last trimester and first 3 months after pregnancy for the babies brain development makes me curious as if maybe a low carb high fat diet is beneficial during pregnancy.

[@DaisyMay777]

+Head Turner Thanks for asking! I'm curious myself. I plan to stay LCHF.

[@briandemarest6222]

Got to reddit and ask. There are thousands of ketoers there who can answer: www.reddit.com/r/keto/

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

They are finding that what the mother eats during pregnancy has a profound effect on the child. Children are now being born obese or becoming obese within their first six months, because their mothers ate high-carbohydrate diets, especially rich in sugars. I would guess that a LCHF diet during pregnancy would help the unborn baby quite a lot. It's also worth noting that milk is low in carbohydrates (primarily lactose and galactose) and quite high in fat (though it is one of the few naturally-occurring foods that contains both). Tim Noakes even advises continuing to feed the baby a LCHF diet after weaning.

[@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82]

Head Turner it's great for all stages of life

[@georgiehenderson8750]

Liyly Nichols books on gestational diabetes nutrition in pregnancy cover that issue quite profondly. realfoodforgd.com/

[@jojowallace5098]

I am excited by these findings. My daughter is type 1 and I will share this with her. I am trying to reduce my weight and am also on lithium and Seroquel for bipolar. I wonder if these meds will rob me of the opportunity to achieve ketosis? Thanks for your work.

[@2DReanimation]

But the lean body mass loss was taken from water fasts with people not keto adapted, right? I think it's reasonable to assume an adapted metabolism would spare lean body mass to a greater extent during a water fast.

[@alex9046]

30:22 early 2016, what an innocent time that was...

[@joobular]

18:30 "anybody here ever slept in an igloo?" "YEAHH"

[@ujjanappashankarappa4565]

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[@naturemixmv7667]

He says that in starvation mode "most of the brain's energy comes from ketones but still a 'minor' component comes from glucose", from gluconeogenesis. Ok so far. But then he says that this equates to "4 ounces of lean body mass per day. Even in the most adapted human, starvation ketosis is robbing you of a quarter pounder every day." I'm curious how this works out: In other words, how many calories comes from the gluconeogenesis of 4 ounces of muscle, when we know that 4 ounces of protein contains about 566 calories. Clearly 566 calories of glucose is not a "minor component", so I must not understand correctly. Or, is Dr. Phinney's math wrong, or is he simply mistaken about this?

[@andrearush6209]

Awww, I knew I liked you!! Givin' Shasta some

[@chrisp558]

this is gold

[@deryazzi]

The laughter when Inuit women are introduced as experts...

[@MikaelVitalyVyacheslav-bh2fk]

A quick chemistry lesson Your digestive tract is full of bacteria. Some of them feed on choline and carnitine, nutrients in red meat, egg yolks and high-fat dairy products. As they feed, they give off a chemical called TMA (trimethylamine). Your liver turns TMA into TMAO (trimethylamine-N-oxide). TMAO in your blood affects the inner wall of your blood vessels, causing cholesterol buildup. If you have chronically high TMAO, you have double the risk of heart attack, stroke and death. Studies show that levels of TMAO in your blood can help predict your risk of heart disease. A natural treatment So, if TMAO is harmful, how do we get rid of it? One way is to stop gut bacteria from making TMA in the first place. The new study by Dr. Hazen and his team found that a natural substance called DMB (3,3-dimethyl-1-butanol) could do this in mice. The result was lower TMAO levels and fewer clogged arteries. “We were able to show that drugging the microbiome is an effective way to block diet-induced heart disease,” says Dr. Hazen. “It’s much like how we use statins to stop cholesterol from forming in a body’s cells.” DMB is found in some olive and grapeseed oils. Because it’s not an antibiotic, DMB doesn’t kill “good bacteria.” And, unlike antibiotics, there’s little risk of overusing it or building resistance to it. What this means for you There’s a long way to go before treatments are fully tested and approved for humans. “My hope is that, down the road, this type of approach to lowering TMAO can be used to augment other approaches for reducing risk of cardiovascular events,” says Dr. Hazen. In the meantime, should you stop eating meat and other animal products? Dr. Hazen says moderation is key. “Omnivores usually do have higher levels of TMAO than vegetarians and vegans, but not always,” he says. “TMAO level is determined more by your gut microbes than your diet. Other factors also play a role, such as the microbes you’re exposed to and other aspects of your health, like kidney function and genetics.” A test to measure TMAO levels is now available at Cleveland HeartLab. December 31, 2015 / By Heart and Vascular Team Red Meat Linked to Kidney Failure -Red meat increases your risk for kidney failure, according to a study published online in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. Researchers assessed data from 63,257 participants as part of the Singapore Chinese Health Study and tracked diet and kidney failure. Those who consumed the most protein from red meat increased their risk for end-stage kidney disease. Results showed that replacing a single serving of red meat with another source of protein, such as soy products or legumes, cut the risk for disease by over 60 percent. These findings support previous research that suggests diets high in processed meats increase risk for disease and mortality. Lew QLJ, Jafar TH, Koh HWL, et al. Red meat intake and risk of ESRD. J Am Soc Nephrol. Published online July 14, 2016. HAVE A HAPPY ! DAY KEEP EATING THE BIG STEAKS ,PORK CHOPS AND THE EGGS ! BIG PHARMA AND DOCTORS WILL LOVE YOU !! ............AMEN !

[@dannybasquez7631]

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[@debstherottie472]

LOL... mankind has been eating meat and fats since forever! no one ate salads as a cave man. Sorry, but your comment seems silly given carbs have no real nutrition value. It's just 'filler' to prevent hunger. bread, corn, sugar.. they give you nothing long term. Beer was liquid bread to feed slaves... carbs are junk food. it's the rest of your dietary intake that give you the nutrients you need.

[@jasonturner6459]

But you partly contradict yourself and.. it's major corporations pushing a more grain based diet. There's far more money in processed food than meat and eggs

[@wtfkurtis]

Intermittent high fat:carnivore/good carbs and it works for me.

[@seankinsey4619]

Brilliant!

[@AgentJJ22]

I'd love to know how to translate this for those wanting to build muscle mass (i.e. bodybuilding). Any videos from these guys covering this? I love this channel

[@debstherottie472]

you can body build and build mass on keto... how do you think people lean out to compete?

[@googleuser3620]

Please list any large scale research on the use of Ketogenic Diet using this diet for a long time (1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or more years). I'm disappointed to see a Medical Professional promoting an unproven method. Researchers on Ketogenic diet have been done for specific diseases and used for short period of time. a Doctor you shouldn't recommend anything that hasn't been scientifically tested..

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

There have been quite a few long-term studies such as you mention, but for some reason they don't get as much attention in the press as studies that purport to show that meat is bad. If you watch Dr. Phinney's lecture on KZbin entitled "Optimising Weight and Health with an LCHF Diet," he mentions the issue of safety and provides references to several of those studies. You can also find a long list of such studies in Gary Taubes' book, _Good Calories, Bad Calories,_ as well as in _The Big Fat Surprise,_ by Nina Teicholz.

[@theromanempire12]

wow!

[@Rose_Ou]

My hero! Thank you !

[@joeschmo5699]

Yeah, interesting about the body consuming a quarter pound of muscle tissue per day when fasting in nutritional ketosis and how this conflicts with Fung's idea that the body preserves muscle tissue when fasting. I guess Fung's point is that there may be more muscle loss when on calorie restricted starvation diet compared to straight fasting? That's one possibility. I have a personal experience where I practiced intermittent fasting, worked for 6 hours, then ran 8 miles. I've never felt better during a run, certainly not in 20 years. But when I got back, I had the brownest urine (quite scary). Clearly rhabdomyolysis. My guess is the body just broke down muscle tissue to use for energy (maybe running provides the required stress response?). It worked, I had lots of energy, but not an ideal scenario. I've haven't done that again. But I love intermittent fasting.

[@BrandiDandelion]

I had to replay that part myself, but he said in starvation (ketosis) your body loses 'a quarter pounder a day'. While his talk is on nutritional ketosis, in that moment he was talking about starvation.

[@joeschmo5699]

Brandi S Ah, okay, thanks for the attention to detail. But it still tends to conflict with Fung's idea that the body preserves muscle tissue during fasting (compared to simply eating less?)?

[@BUJU2007]

He was talking about starvation which means that you don't have the required protein to perform necessary body functions. If you are in nutritional ketosis then you have both energy and the necessary protein. So it would be protein sparing.

[@BrandiDandelion]

BUJU2007 Dr. Fungs focus is fasting, I think Joe is referring to that. When fasting where does that required protein come from if not the muscles. I feel however that there is more about the human body than we know to accurately describe why in a fasting state it is possible to spare muscles. If Dr. Fung has a hypothesis I would like to read of it and see it tested.

[@joeschmo5699]

Brandi S There are different situations being discussed here. There is intermittent fasting and fasting done for a longer period, say, several days. The point about intermittent fasting (extending the window between dinner and breakfast out to 16 or 18 hours) is that the body, indeed, spares muscle tissue and consumes fat stores, predominantly, for energy. The more "fat adapted" one is, the better. It seems that intermittent fasting also prompts the body to produce more growth hormone to compensate for muscle tissue loss (by rebuilding efficiently when nutrition is consumed). On longer fasts, the body must surely consume itself in order to maintain itself and sustain life. It does this by consuming some muscle tissue. According to Phinney, this is about one quarter pound per day ( about 110 grams). I imagine people who are on the standard American diet are more glucose adapted and more likely to lose muscle tissue with calorie restriction and fasting. Becoming less dependent on glucose and more adapted to fat is key.

[@poosta7]

Protein is primarily carbohydrate!!! The body uses protein for structure (enzymes, cell repair, hair, bones, etc.) but only needs about 30-40 gms/day. All the extra protein that comes from high protein diets are broken down into amino acids, which are converted to GLUCOSE by deamination (-NH2) which combines with water HOH to form ammonia NH3 which is converted, via the Ornathine cycle to Urea which is excreted.... Ergo: proteins are actually, for the most carbohydrates...and are insulinogenic. So high protein (expensive) diets are, metabolically, HC diets.

[@BUJU2007]

I guess it's a good thing that ketogenic diets aren't high protein diets.

[@DoubleMerkaba]

You forgot the part about not all amino acids glucogenic, and that protein demands of the body dictate what happens to those amino's. Look into George Bray's work, and how the over feeding of protein is not what you think it is

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

poosta7 Even as a joke, it is simplistic and confusing to equate proteins and carbohydrates. They are chemically and structurally very different breasts and play distinct roles in the body. The complicated process you outline for removing the nitrogen from a protein only proves that proteins and carbohydrates are distinct and not easily interconvertible. Anyone who eats a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet, especially anyone who wishes to enter nutritional ketosis, knows to keep protein intake moderate, because of the process of gluconeogenesis that you describe. As Dr. Phinney indeed points out in his lecture. So old news, sorry!

[@TheFitnessTutor]

You know just enough to show absolutely that you don't really know what you're talking about.

[@roywalker7512]

So..Poosta what is it you are trying to say??? A ketogenic diet, is not a high protein diet, so what are you implying with your know-it-all post.

[@jaegergustafson7247]

Is Dr. Phinney a shaman?

[@nancyburrows9606]

+Jaeger Gustafson, what???

[@roywalker7512]

Jaeger, what are you implying by that remark??

[@doctork1708]

Atkins died relatively young, fat from heart disease. Look at the fat gut overhanging Phinney’s belt. I do whole food, plant exclusive low fat, low protein sos free. Lost 230 lbs, reversed T2D first month, reversed high cholesterol, fatty liver disease, cardiovascular disease, kidney disease and more. High, high carb on OMAD and never hungry. Keto diets have very fast weight loss but at harmful long term to hearts, kidneys, joints.

[@joecamel6835]

In fact, Dr. Atkins, promoter of the Dr. Atkins diet plan, was 72 years old and relatively healthy when he died. Although he could have lived for several more years, he didn't die at what most would consider a young age. In fact, Dr. Atkins died after being in a coma for several days due to a blood clot in his brain that was sustained in a fall on an icy sidewalk.

[@alexmannaart2430]

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[@eZU4nQsWN9pAGsU38aHj]

Wait.. Dr. Phinney does not believe in evolution? o.O

[@eZU4nQsWN9pAGsU38aHj]

***** That's adorable..

[@JohnBedson]

+Schoening91 The doctor does appear to believe in Evolution, but because he is American he does not want to offend Christians in his audience. Very few scientists believe in Creation and you will never see a credible peer reviewed paper on the subject of God or Creation. Science does not deal in myths.

[@eZU4nQsWN9pAGsU38aHj]

John Bedson I suppose it could be that he does not want to offend anyone haha :) And yeah, I was just a little surprised if he didn't believe in evolution, since the entire lchf / paleo / etc. movement often cites our evolutionary adaptation. Thanks for the input.

[@akashowgroup1229]

He didn’t say that. It was an offhand comment meant to emphasize what he was saying.

[@DavidBrown-jk2pm]

No offense but Dr. Phinney seems to have some excess belly fat. Not the first person on keto to find the fat went to his/her belly. Hard to get rid of.

[@skybridge6394]

HE DOES'NT LOOK THAT HEALTHY......

[@mdTEACH05]

You can't tell that only by his look, health is determined by metabolic state....

[@garzascreek]

For a 70 year old, he looks OK to me. You probably would have a hard time staying with him on a century ride.

[@skybridge6394]

YEAH , YOUR RIGHT ... SORRY BOUT THAT

[@sengland51]

SKY BRIDGE Health is within !!!

[@skybridge6394]

yeah ... your right ....

[@porkyo123]

The diet does not make sense.With all the food on the planet ta hav ta narrow it down to 80% of fat is foolish.Ya,I'm sure the diet can work because so many diets do work. But at the end of the day it's has ta be boring. During the summer my body says water, fruit, sallad etc. Hate a lot of fat in the heat! In the winter that's A different story. My body welcomes fat.😄

[@emmafrankly]

+porkyo123 I love high-fat foods! Salads are SUPER welcome in the keto diet. A great summer meal would be a big ol' salad chockfull of nutrient-dense greens and lettuce, accompanied by a chilled and chopped hard-boiled egg or two, with olive oil and vinegar drizzled on top (the "dressing" the French prefer to use for their salads). And who doesn't like cookouts during the summer?? Kebabs? Burgers on the grill? YUM. Lettuce wraps are particularly yummy in the summertime, too. :)

[@briandemarest6222]

Foolish why? It's very healthy. Fat is not bad, it was a lie. Also, it's not 80% of your food, it's 80% of calories and that's not a rule, it's a max, and a higher max than most of us agree with. As long as you have energy and are satiated, you don't need that much.

[@debstherottie472]

my hormones are corrected and mood swings are gone. keto saved my sanity as menopause is setting in.

[@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82]

How is it so hard to believe? The alpha wolf goes directly for the liver. Many parts of the animal are packed with high levels of fat brain and all. Fat is ESSENTIAL for human health.

[@roywalker7512]

You are welcome to eat what you want to, porkyo123, The doc is just telling you what he has found through scientific, and observational studies to be a really good way of eating for a lot of people, this not about a study of 1.

[@ibelieveican3138]

I'd like to see the blood work on those following this diet. Loosing weight doesn't mean your healthy. I'm thinking this guy looks like he could stand to loose 25 lbs. Let's see the blood work and if you're preaching it why are you carrying around that weight?

[@bigbenhebdomadarius6252]

vegan ist The real point of this way of eating is to promote metabolic health. While we usually focus on obesity as if it were the problem in itself, it is possible to be overweight and still be metabolically healthy. It is also possible to be thin and be metabolically unhealthy. As he states in various lectures, Dr. Phinney has been in nutritional ketosis for years, and once he got past the original weight loss, his weight has been stable ever since. I think he looks great, especially for a non-athlete.

[@debstherottie472]

my numbers all went down... blood pressure remained at 120/80 at age 49. Seriously, do research before asking silly questions! your bias is unfounded. if you love fruit and veggies, congrats. But we eat 5x the sugar Americans ate post WW1! stop sugar addictions. go look at pictures via 1970s to today's obesity epidemic.... portion size , junk food and sugar. You cannot out exercise a bad diet. Eating a typical American lunch or dinner cannot be burnt off, since it's usually all the calories you need in 1 day. As a person who was 300 pound and always starving, I know for sure that insulin resistance is very real. I lived it for 10 years.

[@TH-tl6sy]

They posted the blood work. Watch the video

[@roywalker7512]

He showed in the slides that all the markers for health improved on the high fat diet. Look you can do this diet as a vegan, because fat is your main macros, add good green veg, (or not) then get some protein. Alternatively, you can carry on as you are.

[@MikeEnRegalia]

vegan ist what an idiotic remark. Worthy of somebody with the word “vegan” in the user name though.