The case for keto with Gary Taubes - Diet Doctor Podcast

[@sherryburns1866]

It’s amazing how it works. I’m 68 and it’s the fist time in my life I lost 30 pounds and not feeling hungry all the time. Thank you 🙏

[@AnimaLibera]

I could listen to Gary Taubes all day long.

[@dorseykindler9544]

He's a good egg

[@steveryan4410]

100% agree,, One of my Heros,, i made my kids watch him,,,, They were shocked,, why don't we get told this at school......it took me 5oyrs before finding this guy

[@willystilly]

I could listen to Gary Taubes all day. Thank you for this most respectful interview - two truly lovely humans.

[@NewEarthBlog]

I'm listening to Gary all day, today. Got them cued up. 😃

[@Barneyrubble241]

I'm 57 had a heart attack and have a pacemaker. I'm 5'7" & started out at 293lbs. I was also just diagnosed diabetic, with an A1C of 6.5. I started with low carb in Dec of 2019 and was doing 16/8 IF. I lost about 45lbs in about 9 months, but I cheated a lot and stalled out there. I decided to try full Keto and OMAD and have dropped another 43lbs in the last 11 weeks. I still have another 40lbs to go, but for the first time I actually believe I'm going to get there. My blood work is great, cholesterol is good, triglycerides are good and my A1C dropped to 5.1. The only issue I've had is night leg cramps, but I think I've got it figured out with the help of Dr. Cywes. He fixed me with one word. SALT. LOL

[@steveryan4410]

Jim,,, thanks for sharing,, Your a hero, just like Gary T

[@Barneyrubble241]

@@steveryan4410 Definitely not a hero. I'm proud of myself that I've been able to lose the weight that I have, but I'm also ashamed of myself for letting my eating habits get so out of control that it destroyed my health in the first place. Now when I watch other people eat bad foods and too much food, I see myself and it helps keep me in check.

[@majipoorcat]

Jim, I am wondering what you mean by cheating? My weight loss is sometimes slower, I don’t use scale but I can tell by my body and clothes, but through listening to many low carb/keto people I managed to think in terms of I am getting healthy and since I am healthier my body burns it’s own fat. My food choices eating this way have changed in the past year. At one point I did consume larger meals, ate berries, made keto mud cake etc. but as I found my satiety what I ate and how much I consumed changed. that and omad. Sometimes they eat more, sometimes they eat less. Sometimes I have more dairy or meat, sometimes less. Some evenings I eat some dark chocolate and a couple of pecans, sometimes I don’t. My weight loss is not Super fast I’m losing weight and I’m healthy and I see this way of eating as some thing I will have no problem with for my lifetime. Oh And I also ate for a couple days during Passover, some matzoh. It was very yummy I enjoyed it a lot but I didn’t consume as I usually do 4 pounds of matzo. Also during those days I was more aware of staying in different boundaries because I had refined carbohydrates. It was no problem for me and I am right back to my usual way of eating which is low carb/Keto And with a lot of vegetables. Blessings to you

[@Barneyrubble241]

@@majipoorcat I considered cheating when I ate high quantities of carbs, like eating a REAL pizza, or eating a burger on a REAL bun with REAL french fries. Or there was always cakes, ice cream etc. When I went full KETO and OMAD is when the weight loss accelerated (although it has slowed the closer I get to my ideal weight) and my blood work got much better. Recent blood work even better than when I originally posted that comment. It's fun when you can shock your doctor with your weight loss and blood work. My doctor basically screamed WOW!!!!! when she saw my weight. LOL Then she asked me if I was taking a Potassium supplement because my level was "high normal" I told her no, just eating a big salad of mixed baby greens, fresh broccoli, red onion, a whole avocado, and some kind of hard cheese literally every single day. She actually told me to cut back a little on the avocado, which is ok by me since I don't really like them all that much anyway. lol

[@kerryjean2223]

Was going to say "salt" x

[@drirene57]

I was on a Mediterranean-type diet and had to eat 1200 calories a day to lose wt (a 60-y/o woman, BMI 29). I went Keto (20 g carb/day) and could eat 2000-3000 calories a day and still lose weight (until I plateaued at a BMI of 23). I eat until I’m full, 2 meals a day.

[@n.a.1625]

I wish we had more journalists like Gary Taubes! People that not only do their job with conviction no matter the outcome, but also have the balls to push forward against the dogma.

[@michaelhiggins2562]

I'm on a very low carb, no sugar diet. I have not restricted calories. I have not been hungry. In 12 weeks I have lost 12 pounds. I am eating high protein and moderate fat. Noticable health and improvements are visible ever after on 12 weeks. I am having a very minor issue with missing carbs, but I realize low adrenaline response to what I'm eating is the keep to sustaining my diet and improving my health. I am 80 years old.

[@WahineInTN]

Intermittent fasting and keto, work well together. I’ve taken off 30 lbs in 4 months, don’t feel hungry (ever), sleep well, and have tons of energy through the day.

[@KM-zn3lx]

My son who was diagnosed with asthma at age 2 has cured this with a mostly keto diet. I lost weight myself after steadily gaining despite jogging/walking/2/weight lifting! Then tried OMAD where ppl said I could eat carbs and sweets again, wrong at least for me! I'm gonna try keto 3 days a week and carnivore 3 days a week and who knows the one day extra! I have periodontal gum disease and can feel it get worse with carbs/ sweets. My aches in lower back and knees are worse. I'm starting a 30 day challenge in this. If anyone has more advice I'm all ears!

[@sharonnagle-fj1hb]

❤great!

[@thomasrobinson4401]

"Why we get fat", changed my life! Thank you Gary 👍

[@elisafrye2115]

What an excellent interview! SO IMPRESSIVE! BOTH participants treat each other with respect and the clear desire to approach this crucial, and complicated, subject matter with honesty and scientific accuracy! They are obviously approaching LC/HF/KETO with deep concern for the health impact of what they say on the very lives of their listeners. I am so grateful for their contributions to our health! ❤️

[@NewEarthBlog]

I'm glad Gary brought up the woman who was encouraged to add carbs back. I went the other way. People are losing a lot of weight by simply eating Real Food Only. I did that for a year with no other restrictions, though my weight loss stopped within 6 months at a 33 pound loss, probably due to hypothyroid & Hashimoto's disease. Finally, after 1.5 years, I started Keto by simply adding fat. Then, to get into ketosis, I took out all fruit and the organic dinner wine and began losing a pound a day!

[@pehu1322]

Bret Scher & Gary Taubes - wonderful, kind and a lot of knowledge :) thanks

[@MsTony1402]

I’m just reading the Case for Keto right now and I love how he’s saying that fat people are not just thin people who eat too much.

[@ldean8360]

I'm also concerned about thin people who are nonetheless unhealthy. Sometimes thin is merely malnourished.

[@suzannekazmiruk183]

I finished the book and was a little surprised that the people who are apt to store energy (fatten easily) had a definite advantage for most of human history and this wasn’t mentioned. Now it’s the hard gainers who have the advantage.

[@vayasindios3311]

But a lot of fat people do eat too much.

[@jsloen5946]

@@vayasindios3311 Yes but they're not fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they are fat.

[@vayasindios3311]

@@jsloen5946 well at some point they ate too much to get fat, be serious. My whole family is fat and every fat person I know eats a hell of a lot more than I do. I watch it and they are definitely eating twice or more as much as I ever would. If I eat too much,I gain wt. but I do something about it when it’s 2 or 3 pounds. I don’t wait till I put on 50 pounds and get insulin resistant. Then they have they problem he’s talking about. They weren’t born 50 lbs overweight.

[@Hazzard0]

Good Calories Bad Calories changed my life. Thank you Gary!

[@clindsay8362]

This is the same conclusion I have come to after my first 2 years ketogenic diet. This year with the anxiety of the pandemic I started snacking, not wildly, and all good foods within the Keto safe zone, but that alone told my insulin to instruct my fat cells to retain fat again, and I pit on several kilos. So thank you once again Gary Taubes for so eloquently explaining the individual customisation we all need to understand. 👩‍🎨💐❤️

[@meaghankelly3887]

Yeppa I reject the Hysteria, yet the stress has gained me weight. 😱!!!

[@kimberlycooper4170]

@@meaghankelly3887 , yes about the stress. I stopped watching TV several years ago. The ominous music, "journalists'" voice tone, news and documentary subjects, etc. were and still are formulated to make us feel as scared and hopeless as possible. My optimism and happiness are so much better without TV. If I want to be scared, I can watch Friday the 13th and other horror movies.

[@kimberlycooper4170]

@@meaghankelly3887 , I hope the below lengthy comment additionally calms you. Also, I listen, on KZbin, to scientists, medical doctors, and others who have proven to be telling me the truth that carbohydrates jack up my insulin and high insulin makes me obese and hungry. These people are saying to get your blood vitamin D3 up to a high enough level. For exact numbers, search the KZbin channel "Ivor Cummins". Additionally, these people are saying that glycosylation makes it easier for the "C" virus to attach to our cells' ACE-2 receptors. Attaching to the ACE-2 receptors is how that virus infects our cells and makes us seriously sick. Over 10 years ago, I went 100% gluten free and got rid of a myriad of health problems. 3 years ago, I went keto and reversed my obesity. 1 year ago, I greatly reduced eating seed oils (canola, corn, vegetable, soybean, etc.) and got rid of at least one more health problem. This past year, I have continued riding mass transit. I daily work at my job in which I get a lot of close contact with many people including people who are diagnosed with the C virus. I get tested twice a month and come out negative each time. Also, I'm in my 60s. If I were going to get sick or die of the virus, I would have gotten sick or died of it months ago.

[@TheAnnestube]

FINALLY, someone who mention the fact, that the original Atkins diet IS a ketogenic diet.

[@lindaloranger2998]

Following Dr. Eric Westman who is Dr. Atkins part 2.

[@maricamaas2326]

To keep in mind, when it comes to the importance of KETO: Weston Price found NO diet amongst healthy isolated people groups that was Low Fat or completely Vegan. ALL the unrefined, unprocessed, locally sourced, seasonal, whole food diets contained some form/s of animal foods and fermented products. WP's study was unbiased. He was not out to prove anything; merely aimed to find out what a healthy diet would look like, and he eventually concluded: NOT ONE DIET FOR ALL. Accordingly, Gary's message is well-balanced, and well-worth taking note of 👏👏👏

[@tomgio1]

Been reading and watching Taubes for 20 years now. This is the most dynamic and energetic and engaging I’ve seen him in all these years. For a time, Taubes seemed almost weary and drained when speaking (and I can understand why, given his millions of detractors), so I always thought if he cracked that code, it would make all his hard work and research that much more powerful and impactful. Can’t wait to buy the new book!

[@kikiandco1899]

He had a debilitating health condition. Noise in the ear and depression. Amazing guy s4nd me some love vibration ❤️

[@tomgio1]

@@kikiandco1899 , I had no idea! Thanks for sharing.

[@dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805]

Great to see Gary Taubes back.

[@seesharp81321]

I struggled with DM2 for 15 years and then did this Keto thing and turned it completely around within 6 months. My N=1 experiment was a glorious success It's really shameful that many doctors still call this a chronic decease and only willing to manage it with drugs.

[@Pravda_Z]

It's called "The Standard of Care" and they can get in trouble if they go rogue.

[@Bhatmann]

Same thing happened to me too.

[@theskyehiker]

Just a small comment. Gary has a Masters degree in Physics so I’d say he is more of a scientist than the average bear. He isn’t a research scientist in the classical sense but he is a consummate scientific investigative journalist.

[@TheEnivej69]

Great podcast! Gary never stop writing, we are reading!

[@junbug1029]

I've struggled with my weight my entire life. In high school my sister would come home and eat ice cream and cookies and stay slim. Not me. When I was in 7th grade my doctor put me on a keto diet back in the 1960s. It wasn't called keto then but it was the same thing. In the 90s I stayed slim by working out 2 hours a day and eating little. I was always hungry on my low fat high carb diet. I loved Taubes' book 'Why We Get Fat...' so I may have to buy this new book, too.

[@Pravda_Z]

In the 60s your doctor put you on keto? I lived in LA County then. When I was 13, my doctor just prescribed daily dexedrine tablets and gave me one of those printed SAD diets, which was too complicated to follow. Age 12, I was in 7th grade and they had just installed the coke machines, and machines to get oreos and twinkies for our breaks. I began to balloon. Had those junk food machines not been there or had any adult warned me against them, I would have maintained my appropriate weight. It's been a struggle ever since.

[@sportysbusiness]

Read the Obesity Code by Jason Fung as well. He goes through the exact mechanism of why we gain weight and what to do about it. I'm well-read but that book was a game-changer for my understanding. Enjoy!

[@sportysbusiness]

@@pbpb253 Well said!

[@R.Tafolla]

Back then they knew that bread makes you fat, and if you wanted to lose weight you stop eating so much bread.

[@wendysgarden4283]

Stillman, probably. I did that too.

[@louisag5410]

Another stellar interview... Have the book on pre-order and looking forward to reading!

[@gaypreator8547]

So much great stuff, as usual. Love she’s married to “That”. “She” definitely has someone interesting to be around. Life experience, removing the problem and shouldn’t be easy; it’s what you will become. Repeat so much here, pick your battles. Conventional wisdom isn’t working - defines the ‘Case for Keto’. Stand your ground MR. Married to That. 🤩. Low Carbohydrate / Keto work. Well formulated. Gary Taubes great Journalist/Nutritionalist.

[@tammyb8742]

Yay Gary Taubes!! His 'Why We Get Fat...' has been my bible and I reread it when I fall off the wagon. I can't wait to read the new book! Maybe I missed out but is there a podcast about the actual ADDICTION to carbs? I know it's soooo easy for me to slip because if I eat carbs I'm hungry but when I stick to Ketovore I'm not. Thank you for your content 🙏

[@dietdoctor]

We have a video course on sugar addiction that may be what you're looking for. www.dietdoctor.com/first-part-of-our-sugar-addiction-video-course-free-for-all

[@tammyb8742]

@@dietdoctorjust what I needed -- thank you 🙏

[@kimberlycooper4170]

Hi Tammy B, Like you, I know that one slip and I am in serious trouble. I slipped one time and ended up on a carb-eating binge for about 7 years. 3 years ago, I was able to get off the binge by water/tea fasting for 3 days. I could still remember and feel the taste of high-carb foods when I looked at them. But, the hunger was no longer overwhelmingly uncontrollable. I could refrain by telling myself, "That's poison." and averting my eyes. After about 1 1/2 years of abstaining, my brain and tongue stopped remembering and tasting high-carb foods when I looked at them. At last, I have peace. But, I still remember that grains, dried beans, potatoes, sugars, syrups, and fruits are poisons for me and refrain from eating them.

[@kathynewkirk683]

I’ve been sustaining a keto diet over 5 years, I do occasionally jump off for vacations, then fast a day, and jump back into keto when I get home. Same with holidays. Or with a night out with friends, I will have a steak, cottage cheese and a nonstarch veggies with a couple glasses of Cabernet. I can also not eat well and jump back to keto the next morning. I love it, it’s maintainable, I eat a healthy keto diet with healthy fats, a lot of protein and plenty of veggies….

[@GwenMotoGirl]

I owe my good life to Gary Taubes. Great interview.

[@iaindennis3321]

I’m no where near as bright as these guys, but love to listen to their conversation - my simple summary - if you want to be lean, burn fat, if you want to burn fat, eat fat and don’t eat carbs (total removal or as a rare foodstuff)

[@rogerdodger5415]

I can hear Brett loud and clear… crisp and clean. Gary’s audio is somehow muffled and muddy. These two guys are very smart researchers who understand the subject of diets and health very well. 👍

[@lindabirmingham603]

Excellent interview! Looking forward to his next book on "How to Think About How to Eat".

[@athenassigil5820]

I know for me, keto works. If I eat veggies, meats and very few carb rich foods, the weight comes off. However, as soon as I eat small portion meals rich in carbs, the weight comes back and easily. I'd also add that it's weird how skinny Americans and Canadians were in the past, up until the 90s. Now, aside from a small group of very fit people, most are overweight or grossly overweight. I'm imagining it's starch rich foods and sugary drinks.

[@Webfra14]

Looks like, replacing fat with high fructose corn sirup in everything didn't work out so well...

[@athenassigil5820]

@NOTREALLY HANKAARON Agreed and I think keto is not for everyone but for those who need it, it's a good mechanism for losing and keeping off weight. I couldn't believe it when I was on it on how much weight I lost, whilst eating eggs, ham olive oil etc. It was contrary to what I knew....

[@Tam438]

What about the Chinese who eat predominantly white rice (and very little meat or fat ) and were very lean, up until recently, when they adopted a western diet (high fat, lots of meat and sugar)

[@Tam438]

@NOTREALLY HANKAARON No! read the china study and listened to T. Collin Campbell and others speak on the subject

[@LauraB.335]

@@Tam438 - Listen at 36:54. This is answered.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

Give that man a Nobel Prize.

[@chrisminifie219]

I just bought his book. I never count calories. I eat as much as I feel like eating and never restrict intake. Eggs, bacon, fatty meat, avocado, yoghurt, nuts, cheese. Since starting to eat this way I am no longer overweight and have more muscle.

[@davetaitt1528]

I've seen that psychosis of calorie restriction in highschool wrestling back in the 80s when I wrestled. One guy was smacking his head off the lockers frustrated and starving trying to cut weight. There very much was this paradigm of high protein, low fat, low calorie diets being pushed at that time.

[@wendysgarden4283]

I spent a decade on sub 500 calorie diets (if I increased to 800, I regained.) All I thought about was food. Exercise was impossible. And doctors put me on them, so I trust doctors less than I trust almost any profession.

[@pbziegler]

The challenge for some/maybe many is that even if the Keto diet is a better way to approach weight management is that we don't eat just because we are hungry. We eat for all sorts of reasons--boredom, others are eating, the food we get comfort from is there in front of us, whatever. So it's not as simple as following Keto so you don't get hungry because insulin is better managed. I am convinced from personal experience that the keto way of eating is healthy--my numbers improved and I feel great. But I have many friends who can't keep from snacking and eating way beyond satiety because of habits and emotional drivers. If we are hungry we will eat and so a diet that keeps hunger at bay. That's a no brainer. But no diet seems to keep some people from eating irrespective of hunger/satiety. I have watched and read a lot about keto and no one seems to address this issue. It isn't just about eating because we are always hungry. I would love to hear Gary's thoughts. I read his first books when they came out and they blew my mind and changed my life so I am not coming at this as a skeptic.

[@beau5296]

Gary's arguments in his books are somewhat overly complicated but they're so honest. Some great stuff. Looking forward to watching this. 5 min in. Lol. 👊💪

[@martinirving3824]

Maybe. But I would mention that the main problem committed by authorities, the establishment, so-called experts, etc. was the absurd attempts to oversimplify something that is very complicated... "a calorie is just a calorie" (no) "saturated fat causes heart disease" (no) high cholesterol contributes to atherosclerosis (not that simple) The point is, none of this is simple. This is biology. At least Taubes sobered the "experts" up and inspired people to pay more attention to what was going on and what we are being told. What's interesting to me is that the two main biomarkers of concern for atherosclerosis and heart disease is high triglycerides and low HDL. The medical establishment still does not acknowledge this (in 2020!) and remains steadfastly focused on total cholesterol (which is an over-simplification that they happen to have a drug for).

[@caitlinrobinson6812]

I'm going to start next Monday. I need time to read more and I am going to double check my macros this weekend. I can't wait. I have done well with low carb eating before. I'm going to do my measurements and calculate my fat percentage and give keto a try for at least a month or two. Very insightful interview.

[@FedericoDecara]

hi, a few tips: the first 3-4 weeks are the hardest. Get plenty of water and electrolytes. this is Ka, Na, and Mg salts. If it is too hard, maybe try adapting to time restricted eating first: this will help your body use medium term energy, glycogen, and can help you start manage blood suger rasing cravings. Get a food scale! :-). do not go significantly under your daily recommended calories intake to begin with (Mayo Clinic has a calculator). Get fibre! this is actually quite hard, you need 25-30 g of fibre. Fibre are technically carbs, but they are not consumed by the body, instead they are extremely helpfull with digestion, and also promote intestinal health. When you stop eating carbs, you will loose 1-3 kg the first week. this is the mid term storage being used up, it contains quite a bit of water. This weight will come back in a week every time you start eating a certain amount of carbs. your mid term storage needs to be spent in order to enter ketosis, this is why you need to stay below 20g of carbs a day. phew... that was a lot... I lost 20 kg in 2020 by going time restricted eating -> keto, and I am never going back to carbs. there is a lot to learn with the new eating habit, but it is quite fun. The health benefits have been very significant for me. however, if I am in a special ocasion, I will eat anything, including pasta etc, it stops my keto for a day or two, until the carbs have been spent or converted to fat on my body. good luck!

[@caitlinrobinson6812]

@@FedericoDecara thanks for the tips!!! :) I am aiming for 1200 to 1400 calories. If I do 1400 my weight loss will be slower, but I'm ok with that. I have been able to lose while eating that much in the past.

[@faylinameir]

It’s been 9 months. How’s you do ?

[@martinirving3824]

It's fun to hear Taubes rehash these old musings. Here's one of my own. We know that carbohydrate (glucose) is estimated at around 4 calories/gram and fat around 9 calories/gram. The body readily burns both fuels. It makes sense that if the body is preferentially burning fat (at a greater rate than glucose) then, by definition, the body is burning more calories than if it was burning glucose at a higher rate (or exclusively). If nothing else, it's a good argument for optimizing VO2 max to above 40 ml/kg/min. (and closer to 50 if possible) given that burning (oxidizing) fat takes more oxygen than glucose.

[@raewise6345]

I have been low carb since Feb 17, 2021...lost 25 lbs so far... I do not intentionally restrict my intake in any way. 😊♥️

[@jstar1000]

On Keto low carb diet I find I only eat one to two meals a day and don't want anything more.

[@YT313YT]

Just think of the food availability if everyone reduced their overall intake to 1-2 meals / day?! It’s the partial answer to the ecological issues regarding sustainability.

[@fatrick9001]

That was me and I found it very easy to eat only two meals a day like you, but my fat/waistline was staying the same eating two meals a day so I decided to go low carb OMAD (one meal a day). It was a bit more difficult (but not very much) but I've been doing it for a week now and feel well up to continuing only one meal a day in order to drop fat %. That it's this easy to eat only once a day without distracting hunger while still having good energy is: amazing, convenient, liberating. If I reach my target weight % I might go back up to two meals a day. @Y T I'm doing this for health not for all the irrational doomsday environmental paranoia and propaganda out there. I will never feel apologetic or ashamed of my existence on this earth and desire to thrive on it, like so many of the brainwashed environmental cultists seem to be. Climate change is more of a politically influenced junk science than nutrition has ever been in the recent past.

[@YT313YT]

@@fatrick9001 I understand your feelings about the environment and agree to some extent. I am upset in regards to the massive fields of corn, soya, wheat, almond groves needed to sustain plant-based and / or overly processed, food, … Then there’s the unfortunate use of pesticides that are ruining the soil and fresh water supplies, and destroying the human body. People who are glucose burners , or just people in general need to eat multiple times a day, snacks,… This is a burden on our environment including the destruction of prairies, forests, and other necessary habitats to keep the delicate balance in nature that we all need to sustain life. Eating a carnivore based life is more natural and would support the environment, including less consumption needs. I know this is not happening any time soon but I like to remind people of it if they criticize my lifestyle/ food choices.

[@joyceelmer131]

@@fatrick9001 AMEN!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

@@YT313YT nice premise, but that's not the case. Calories aren't a unilateral measure of food. Different foods require different volumes of resource inputs per unit of food (be that measured as calories, protein etc). I'm not a vegan, but the sustainability argument is stronger on their side when you look at genuine numbers. Again, I'm not advocating that approach, but even eating twice a day, the sustainability of meat production for our global population is not a good prognosis

[@aniccadance13]

Sloane Tanen, Gary's wife, is a writer and her books are beautiful..

[@johnmadany9829]

Sometimes I feel sorry for people who do not have a weight problem. They are much less likely to try a keto diet and subsequently miss out on the cognitive benefits.

[@jem30six]

This is true, one of my second cousins was a physician. He regularly told his over weight diabetic patients to lose weight. Ended up he died from complications of diabetes, and he was not over weight.

[@fatrick9001]

It's quite the damning indictment of the mainstream dogma whenever you see a doctor or nutritionist who is very unhealthy, but to see one die of something like diabetes is even more so.

[@rajdialnandram5676]

It depends on what you eat LESS to to lose weight. You eat less carbs , sugars, and oils/fats to lose weight. To maintain your weight of food intake to fight the hunger crave ,you replace the weight gaining foods with low calories foods such as green vegetables - alot of cucumbers, cabbages ,cauliflower , broccoli , pat Choi ( pak Choi , Chinese cabbage) ,lettuce etc And you need meat to supply your protein needs as as an essential nutrient. Proteins from plants bring in too much calories with it. Proteins from meat brings in just the right amount of fat to supply our energy needs. At least ,this approach works wonderfully for my body type.

[@OurFamilyInMotion]

Really interesting interview. The most brilliant point in this interview is at 36:38.

[@elmolewis9123]

What a great series. Thank you.

[@IndyRickHikes]

Two of the most credible!

[@christineramseyer4721]

Very well conducted interview. I enjoyed the content.

[@quackhouseproductions5572]

Having done Keto for 3+ years I can attest. Yes it’s hard. Bread and chips are awesome. I lost 3+ stone though. Plateaued now though. I still enjoy the diet and how I feel on it.

[@allenmiller2071]

Why is he so politically correct? The reason for the disconnect is that those that make up the dietary advise are corrupted by the food industry.

[@Bhatmann]

Industrial food, pharmaceutical, Big Agriculture, seven day Adventist and vegetarian/vegan dogma and fellow travelers.

[@alphacause]

While you are probably correct that the food industry has greatly undermined the objectivity of research, Taubes is going to be reluctant to make such a bold proclamation because his credibility as a science journalist has been rooted in his objective data driven approach. To cast aspersions on the scientific community as being corrupted by agribusiness, no matter how true those assertions are, would make Taubes look ideological.

[@CL-he4jz]

he does indeed go into ALL the political shenanigans behind the advice, the people & the lobbies & the stories/ political interests, blow by blow, from the very start of recorded 'nutrition science' in his 600 page tome "the Diet Delusion" (i think it was renamed as "good calories bad calories" in the US) ... it was my gateway drug, i read that twice! The most complete history ever imho.

[@kimberlycooper4170]

@@alphacause , also, Gary Taubes tells a little about the food industry's corruption and scientists' corrupted by the food industry in his book "The Case Against Sugar". Nina Teicholz tells even more in her book "The Big Fat Surprise".

[@Tam438]

including meat and dairy industries...

[@jantrapnell01able]

Fantastic content and excellent presentation. Thanks so much!

[@helenekirschbaum3878]

Reading this wonderful book right now. I started keto 4 weeks ago and have lost 24 lbs....! I started with a short fat fast to get into ketosis but since then have been walking the straight and narrow. Anyway, I just read the most shocking bit of biochemistry that ever came down the pike...according to Taube et al, as insulin sensitivity increases with weight, there actually comes a point for obese people where just THINKING about food causes a release of insulin, effectively preventing them from using fat as fuel...and their hunger increases....at it's worse that means that super obese people can just watch a triggering TV commercial for fast food and trigger a release of insulin! And this makes them extremely hungry. So even as they're eating thousands of calories a day, they experience feelings of starvation. Not hunger--starvation.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

I doubt very much you lost a pound a day 🤣🤣🤣

[@ByDesign333]

if only one takeaway... ditch sugar in all its forms first; then experiment and listen to your own body/life results

[@clairai]

im vegan keto with IF and lovin itt!! all the delicious plant based whole foods healthy fats yumm. i started off completely healthy but just wanted to experiment. since I study ageing and dementia for my job, I wanted to experiment with life style recommendations for reducing these diseases

[@geoffreylevens9045]

One thing I've seldom heard mention is that increasing protein increases IGF-1 which stimulates growth of all tissues. If it is too low, you risk muscle wasting, osteoporosis, auto-immune conditions, etc. But if too high, IGF-1 increases risks of all solid tumor cancers. So as Taubes says, moderate protein...

[@adorableadornments1101]

Diet Doctor needs to make the documentary "Sacred Cow" available at least to members and possibly visitors. It was an excellent documentary.

[@cassieoz1702]

We watched it via DD last week. It was available for several days

[@dmc8574]

Good talk, worth a listen and I will buy the book.

[@martinirving3824]

I'm listening to the discussion about the Minnesota starvation study. Medical authorities consider a man's RMR at around 1600 calories? Yeah, I've seen that figure given to me on an InBody, bio-electrical impedance, body composition assessment I do every year. (I'm 6 ft, 155 lbs and around 9% BF). I did a Bio-energy test developed by Frank Shallenberger. Oxygen consumption and CO2 exhalation is measured at rest and under sub-maximal exertion. My RMR was estimated at over 2400 calories. It was recommended I consume about 3600 calories a day (I only eat twice a day and probably don't go north of 3000 ever). If you're "fat-adapted," the concept of metabolism takes on a whole new dimension. What was Ancel Keys doing? Trying to fit a square peg into an heptagonal hole?

[@Chuckbobuck201]

Preordered-looking forward to reading it!

[@amycreagh3108]

So glad there's a new Taubes book. Ordered. Can't wait to read. Ty for having him on Dr. Bret

[@amycreagh3108]

I'm one of "those" people. 😊

[@suzannekazmiruk183]

If people ate whole foods, sans sugar, grains and seed oils, they’d solve most of their health woes. We like to credit certain ways of eating, like keto for improving our health instead of blaming all the unnatural processed foods we consume these days for how bad we look and feel. There are a worrisome number of keto products appearing on market shelves these days, they’re not the answer.

[@wendysgarden4283]

I agree about fake keto food, but once you've abused your body for 25 years with yo-yo dieting and sugar and low-fat eating, you probably are going to have to fix your system for a while before being able to eat bananas and mangoes and potatoes, natural whole foods to be sure, but probably "wait until your health is better" foods for most people. And "never" foods for a few. I grow my own fruits and veg, and I'm quite attached to them. I eat them right off the plant, at maximum nutrition, and know 100% they are organic. not to mention as local as you can get. Bonus is the exercise I get from gardening. It (and fishing) feels very much as what we're supposed to be doing. (though I could be fanciful there.)

[@christymercer7046]

Thankyou! So enjoyable and informative!

[@dash1bravo24]

Gary cracked the code! Remember, he is an investigative journalist by trade, not a scientist. Makes you want to question science.

[@christianwallin4993]

You should. I don't trust almost anything called "science" anymore.

[@herbthymebaum6816]

@@christianwallin4993 Me, too, neither. And the more I learn about 'science' the less I respect it. Nina Teicholz' book, The Big Fat Surprise, give some eye-opening information about the 'science' used in too many 'studies,. and this video by Maryanne Demasi will also widen your eyes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmPHeYSJn55jY6M

[@Pravda_Z]

Makes me want to question the influence of powerful corporations interfering with Science.

[@cassieoz1702]

Taubes studied applied physics at Harvard University (BS, 1977) and aerospace engineering at Stanford University (MS, 1978). He has a Masters degree in journalism from Columbia.

[@Webfra14]

Funny how you guys bash science. But the people you celebrate here are those, who actually did science by following the data. I think what you really want to bash is "establishment" and "corporate interests". The solution to "bad science" is not "less science", but to do "real science".

[@wendyscott8425]

And while you're at it, let the meat and dairy you eat be humanely produced on regenerative ranches along with pasture-raised eggs, chicken, and pork. The animals have lovely peaceful lives, much less dangerous than when they were hunted by predators, and they are slaughtered with little to no pain. The meat is especially nutritious since they are grass-fed and grass-finished, ensuring that we get all that plant-based diet everyone talks about through that meat, which, btw, is especially delicious and has wonderful fat stores as regenerative ranchers are learning that lean cows don't give very good meat while plump cows do. Grass-fed cows are good for the environment, stimulating plant growth and the soil microbiome, putting carbon into the soil, and fertilizing it naturally. I'm grateful I found out about this a couple of years ago. I've never eaten so well.

[@joseromero81]

It’s interesting seeing Gary get slimmer with age, as he follows low carb now. Check out earlier lectures of his when he was researching Good Calories, Bad Calories.

[@heinerlauter1211]

Everybody is different. If i eat fatty cheese i gain weight, others dont. Btw, this interviewer is the star of the vid, listening, asking the right questions. Good job!

[@contrarian717]

I do 150g macadamia nutbutter a day, along with 3avo and 5eggs, yet look like a POW

[@beardumaw24]

The keto diet is so easy to sustain it not even funny ! After the SAD American diet than vegetarian and worsening prediabetes I switched to keto and intermittent fasting. Within 3 months my pre-diabetes was gone and blood work back to normal ! NO suger sweets carb cravings, eat good quality meats fats a few berries tubers nuts. Two meals a day spaced about 4 hours apart and am fully satisfied until the next day. Very sustainable! Much more so than the SAD American diet or vegetarian diets!

[@monicabee9603]

This makes sense ! I know because I tried it myself !!! 1:07:36

[@chrislaveen543]

Refer to ketogenic as a diet and not a lifestyle and your effort to regained your health will be doomed from the start.

[@Pravda_Z]

Doomed? "Diet" also just refers to the foods one chooses to eat. How can that doom you?

[@rob28803]

@@Pravda_Z “A Diet” vs your ongoing diet

[@josefinhaggstrom9705]

@NOTREALLY HANKAARON it has changed my life quality. I am never tired anymore! I seriously cannot gain weight! My blood glucose is flat. My insulin sensitivity is stable. My glucose tolerande is crazy. My insulin levels are half compared to one year ago. I am a type1 diabetic. I was never overweight at all. I started mediterrainian keto to get healthier :) together with regular fasting. OMG did it work!!! My doctor was speechless about my bloodwork after 3 months. I only eat unprocessed food. I cook a lot. No sugar. I never care about calories. Autophagy every week through fasting, TRY IT!

[@josefinhaggstrom9705]

@NOTREALLY HANKAARON 😂😂

[@markwilson2992]

My cardiologist eats a LC diet. He couldn't bring himself to say Atkins, but it was pretty much Atkins.

[@lindabirmingham603]

For my husband and I, keto was the perfect segway to Carnivore. We lost weight and fatty liver disease on keto and then lost more weight, IBS, and aches and pains on Carnivore. I was borderline anemic when I was eating veg, as the iron from plants is not bio-available and the oxalates in the plants bind the minerals and prevent their absorption!

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

Gary made a comment in the middle portion during the part about "Populations who can tolerate high carb diets" and got me thinking. Sounded like he suggested our bodies, outside of carb intake, do not need insulin? Unless I misunderstood what he was suggesting. I realize carbs are considered a non essential macronutrient and we can survive without them completely in our diet. However I thought the body still needs a basil response/release of insulin from our Pancreas. But as I thought on this I thought of our body's process of creating glucose through gluconeogenesis and wondered perhaps we do not actually need any insulin. But if that were the case what is the main purpose of the islet cells on the Pancreas? Is that back to the primary purpose of storing fat vs clearing the body of excess glucose? Yes at about the 41:00 minute mark where he is discussing there was no Hypoglycemia prior to the invention of Insulin.

[@reginamaier7452]

We do need insulin, but we do not need it in excess. Carb consumption causes the excess. The body creates its own glucose in an amount we need based on necessity, so insulin is necessary as well. Insulin is a regulatory hormone to keep our blood glucose under control and help us retain or gain body fat as necessary. Without insulin, as in Type 1 Diabetes, a sign of the illness is an inability to gain or retain fat leading to a "wasting away to nothing," "starvation" state of the body. But giving an insulin-resistant person more insulin via injection or insuligenic drugs to regulate glucose is only going to progress their diseased state.T2Ds should not be prescribed insulin or any drug meant to increase insulin production. They don't need it, and having it will make the condition worse.

[@BunPentruTine]

@@reginamaier7452 Hello. We don't need anything in excess, that's why it is called excess in the first place, because it is above the requirements. Excess circulating insulin is due to insulin resistance, which can be caused by many things, not just eating carbs. Furthermore, eating carbs does not guarantee pathologic insulin resistance. It's a matter of many things, including carbs quality. Kind of agreeing with everything else :)

[@reginamaier7452]

@@BunPentruTine Sorry for being a bit unclear on the point. In a person who already has dysregulation of insulin, carb consumption from any source causes an excess of insulin in the body. Other factors outside of carb consumption certainly contribute to the onset of the disregulation, but carb consumption exacerbates it. Therefore, people like me who can't allow a carb to look at them sideways without gaining weight, must restrict to as close to none as possible. I was once 425 lbs without overeating (though no one believes me). My meals were very low fat, but high in "healthy" carbs for most of my life. I weighed 415 lbs when I graduated from high school. At that time, I had been eating a single meal daily consisting of mainly pasta or grains, low fat meat, salads and veggies, etc., which my mother would cook and serve. I was allowed nothing else. Still, though no food ever went missing, I was accused of somehow sneaking food. Today, after hearing this talk among others, I finally have the tools to fix myself. I have been a keto-carnivore since April 2018. I weigh 255 lbs at the moment, and I'm still losing weight. I'm 42. My mother passed very young from Diabetes Type 2 and various of its associated co-morbidities. She was only 55. If one develops Type 2 Diabetes due to the hyperinsulinemic state, the worst treatment is more insulin or insulogenic medications which promote the production of more insulin. In a normal, healthy individual, it's safe to consume carbohydrates up to their personal tolerance. However, above the personal tolerance, carb consumption becomes detrimental to health and begins to disregulate hormone signaling to the point of illness if the overconsumption continues unabated.

[@BunPentruTine]

@@reginamaier7452 Thank you very much for the clarification :) I am very sorry about you and your family's health issues, but I am really glad that you managed to see such improvements. It is admirable ! Once again, thank you for the clarification. I just didn't agree with the general idea that carbs are universally and inherently bad. Furthermore, I support low carb approaches even in my family. My father suffers from T2D and is using a low carb approach to manage it.

[@reginamaier7452]

@@BunPentruTine Carbs are not inherently bad for everyone, but they are unnecessary. As they are bad for me, and for those like me, they should be avoided. I didn't say carbs are inherently bad, but I do say they are non-essential because that is true. One can choose to consume and enjoy them while being mindful of consuming so many as to become detrimental. Each person's tolerance level is different. At best, carbs are benign. They are not "healthy" or "health promoting" as they do nothing for us.

[@KM-zn3lx]

I've read Mr. Taubes' book, Why We Get Fat at least 2xs.

[@jforrester1208]

I would love for Gary to turn his scientific and journalistic talents to the COVID-19 pandemic. What worked and what didn't? What did we do right and what did we do wrong? I suspect the truth is a lot different than most people think, and it would be great if he did a book about it.

[@MightyIsis]

Have a look at Ivor Cummins on twitter or KZbin.

[@fatrick9001]

Areas that did not resort to creepy fascist lockdown measures which curtail people's rights and cripple the economy were no worse off than areas that did. My rights don't end where other people's fears begin, people should knock it off with the irrational lock-down dystopianism.

[@kenadams5504]

Gary /Brett have surely saved many lives ,(and improved life quality) through nutritional education .For anyone battling food reduction for weight loss/health reasons , I would strongly suggest trying a diet called the Carnivore diet .I am doing it now , and finding it very beneficial wrt feeling satiated (I can eat pork / beef/ seafood of 2 lbs per day ). This allows caloric reduction without starving and then binging at a later point in time .utube Carnivore diet Shawn Baker .

[@maricamaas2326]

Though Insulin plays a huge role; chronic (physical-, chemical- and/or emotional stress), with a high Cortisol level also induces fat storage, while inhibiting fat burning. This includes the stress the body experience, because of a Low Vit D level (described in 'The Optimal Dose' by MD Judson Somerville, as the 'Winter Syndrome').

[@onlycorner5565]

quatar "By gender, 20.1% (n=111) of male and 18.3% (n=168) of female participants had DM. About 34.1% (n=158) of the participants aged 45-64 years and 12% (n=121) of the participants aged 18-44 years had DM"

[@toni4729]

Yet another genius interview. Great to hear your very educational talk Garry, thank you. Whoever it was that called you "That" clearly didn't have the education or knowledge that you have.

[@aminreviews2311]

I’m a believer in low carb diet for myself and for some people. It has helped me a lot in treating my obesity. But it’s not the solution for everyone. Some people strongly dislike eating that way and won’t or can’t get used to it, so it’s not for them. As far as the mechanism by which people lose weight on very low carb diets, I think that unfortunately, the most popular voices in this space play very loose with the science.

[@lauraezeanishealthyliving9644]

I totally appreciate the content and agreed on the fact that on a ketogenic diet the appetite is lower compared to the old Mediterranean diet but I still believe you overall take less clories in to support you fat loss progress ... so what happens in a long term commitment to ket diet when there are metabolic adaptations as you have lost weight, you weight less so the calories expenditure is less so you are stagnating as not losing fat no more even tho you are on a keto diet and eat as you were before and not losing fat? How do you know what is your new maintenance calories if you have not been tracking? What is the way out on keto? You are going yo have to eat less even on keto or move more to progress right?

[@Tam438]

and definitely no coconut oil in our natural setting!

[@ilfautdanser9121]

i'm curious about why he doesn't address intermittent fasting. i mean if you want to lower insulin levels to lose fat, eating once or twice a day (same number of calories) is a huge factor. fat people have higher resting insulin levels, within weeks of eating in a narrow window of time (4 -5 ) hours you bring your insulin down. that combined with keto will normalize your insulin levels fairly quickly.

[@Centralcoastqueenofswing1]

It's simple I just tell myself I'm not hungry. Then I drink a big glass of water. The only time I eat is when my stomach is really growling and I'm feeling true hunger.

[@steakovercake3986]

Hey Gary !

[@joshuamarks1129]

Like exercises, the diets that work are the ones you can stay consistent with… I like Keto but, at some point, I imagine that I might take a break or experiment with healthy high carbs: Legumes, steel cut oats, sweet potatoes, blueberries etc... But I'm done with chocolate croissants!

[@mathfaster]

First chapter of his book "The Case for Keto" available here: gary-taubes.ck.page/30b0a6a3b7

[@priscillababbitt6967]

SO GOOD!

[@tzszychulski]

Thankfully someone who’s talking about being hungry all the time it’s just something that shouldn’t be expected now I know that after doing a low-carb diet I’m not hungry at all and I have tons of energy it used to be. I can tell what time it was based on how hungry I got and I would eat lunch around noon and by 2 PM might be like oh I need a snack or I need candy or I need something it just didn’t make sense I just ate why am I hungry again.

[@riffcrescendo1740]

Check out: Low Carbs Down Under. Great!

[@KM-zn3lx]

Be careful folks! I just said I had lower back pain and knee aches and got a call from a person saying she was a medicare and asking if I had these problems!

[@eliasmodernell3348]

The audio sucks bad. Please make sure we can hear such important guests in good quality audio

[@eliasmodernell3348]

@NOTREALLY HANKAARON Gary does not sound right. I know it may be his mike but this should sound better

[@theskyehiker]

Sounds fine to me.

[@magmeldz432]

Can I do low carb utilizing legumes?

[@MycketKar]

High/excessive Polyunsaturated Omega-6 Linoleic Acid diets are dangerous (seed oils, Nuts, seeds, salad dressings like soybean, canola...). Find foods that are low as possible. This fat can cause so many different health issues.

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

For the medicine universities "owners", MDs are just like AVON sellers. They learn why to sell a drug and how to prescribe that. Sadly, we need them...

[@cassieoz1702]

Georgia Eade is a psychiatrist, not a psychologist

[@ygillham]

Well I think you're wonderful Gary, and smart and so informed...I think your wife is super lucky and fortunate to be married to you!!

[@clairai]

SO SMART

[@cyndipetray6420]

But he is a scientist. That’s how he originally saw that the scientific research on the subject was so fatally flawed.

[@HuggiMa]

How can one eat a lot of vegetables if carbs need to be removed?

[@SG-ji5ij]

Lots of greens, which would be a disaster if maintained due to Oxalate toxicity.