DragBoss Garage: Ford 351 Cleveland Intakes/Pro Stock Tunnel Rams, What Is Out There, Do They Work?

[@revanevan]

Thanks for the mention, can't wait to get going on some videos with you!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on my brother. We will do a live chat too. Chat next week. 👍

[@bill2178]

dbg your awesome and its great to have shows like this that its all about the science

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks bill, appreciate you taking the time to comment. Hope you learn something 🏁

[@vrm86gt]

that sheet metal intake! Awesome , not necessarily the vintage pro stock look but just looks like it makes power!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

For sure been dying to try it someday. It’s getting close. Thanks vrm

[@vrm86gt]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland going to be awesome!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@vrm86gt you me vrm, slow but sure. Just wait until you see the next trick. 😉

[@vrm86gt]

@DragBoss351Cleveland I know it will be bad @ss!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@vrm86gt oh Hell Yeah! 👍

[@Schuttyy]

Watching from Western Australia 🇦🇺🤘

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Mate. Stay tuned 🇺🇸🇦🇺

[@abcullens2328]

Another great video Tim 👍, amazing collection of Cleveland intake manifolds, wow! That Track Boss manifold was something I never got my hands on, I wanted to build a Clevor engine for my dirt track car, using Australian 302C 2V cast iron heads and that manifold just to see how it did, compared to my Cleveland Motors and to mystify the track officials. 😎🏁

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks AB, I still need to get the other half in Indiana. Yes when you get around to the 2V heads and after Christmas maybe make a deal. Always wanted to build a clevor, have the block. Thanks my friend.

[@abcullens2328]

@DragBoss351Cleveland sounds good to me Tim, by the way your garage / shop is a mind-boggling thing to behold, for us 351Cleveland lovers, Wow.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@abcullens2328 thank you, only half. Another half a pallet of heads and TR, at bes. I appreciate you and your comments my friend. Keep strong 👌💪

[@mavman351]

Damn, that's a great video man. Wish I had built a Cleveland to begin with for my Maverick! Looking forward to hearing and seeing the Mrs 354 rock n roll in the mustang! More awesome content on the way from you as well! Thank you Tim. DBG for the win!!!!!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on Mav. I am really excited to hear that screamer run. Waiting for my build run stand to show up.

[@darrellseike3185]

Your videos are the BEST! If I only had a car today, your videos would be a main source of great info. My go-to in 88 was a book titled, Ford Performance.I had ported 2V heads w/4V valves and put an Accelerator (2V) with a 1" phenolic spacer. I used to spin that to 7 all the time and had to be careful because it would rev way past 7 if I was sleeping on the shift. Engine was N/A. Who knows why the combo worked so well, but it rocked.

[@rotorr22]

I always wondered how the old Bud Moore box plenum style intakes stacked up against the more conventional single plane spider style intakes of today. Never saw one on a drag car, as they were primarily a road race or circle track manifold. I'd see one pop up occasionally at the Columbus, Ohio Ford swap meet back in the day and even then, they fetched a king's ransom.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Not good. Have heard nothing about poor performance from them. Maybe at 4k and above. Not any type of street or drag manifold. Fuel puddles in plenum, so I have been told. Spider style blow it out of the water

[@jesse75]

Could work well in a figure 8 car. Think about it.

[@cliffturner5086]

Hi from Queensland, Australia.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Hey Mate, welcome to DBG 🇦🇺

[@bobwhite4344]

very interesting vid. your garage is like a candy store.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks. I thought it would be good for guys to see. Well thank you Bob white, all sugarfree candies

[@frankglasgow]

Any news on a single plane manifold for a tall deck cleveland manifold that does not use spacers to adapt a cleveland manifold to a 351m? You did a video about interest in it some time ago.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have heard a few guys asking about spacers. I have not heard of or seen and good single planes for that DH.

[@kennethkieffaber7360]

I just swapped a cam and an rpm air gap for that Trickflow single plane that’s mated to their 195cc powerport heads on my 408c. Made 457/427 at the wheel NA. I really like the manifold and can’t tell I really lost any low end torque from the dual plane. Motor makes about 20 less hp though when heat soaked

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Looks great and hate to go grinding on it. But sure looks like make some power. The trick flow heads, larger ones. Buddy making like 840hp with those heads and intakes.

[@seanb250]

Awesome collection of gear you have there mate, I have some serious Moroso tins envy 😁❤️

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I do have some junk in that shed. I have like 3 or 4 pair of the gold VC one set new in the box. See tonight’s video, turned it up a bit.

[@jujupopsx3155]

Good video DBG, I use a Torker on my 393C and I am pleased with it. My comment though is where to get a DBG t-shirt and decals. Need to sport them when I’m out and about Tim. Keep motoring bud…

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thank you my friend. Funny thing is I just got some merch, not much but to me it is pretty cool. Only have 25 shirts, but plenty of stickers. Mrs DragBoss is working on getting shirts and fulfillment service. Thanks again.

[@theshed8802]

Another excellent video Tim

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Greg. I have another idea so stay tuned to DBG. 🇺🇸🇦🇺

[@svenomick5857]

Loving it Tim keep up the great work Merry Christmas to You and the Family Mick Australia

[@maddansant3064]

Great up close show and compare! Regards the Terry Parker Funnelweb mention of it being a similar design to the TFC at 12:25 and seeing a side view of it at 14:15. I had a lengthy conversation with Terry prior my purchase of this manifold. An interesting design factor he talked of and put into it, which can easily be seen compared to some of the others here like the Torker and also the mention of the TFC is the end runners. The Parker has a fairly straight run out of the plenum, and the twist and turn is closer to the plenum which gives the air/fuel action a longer straight shot inline with and into the port. This would have to make some kind of difference. Where in the power band and how much?? Would be a great match up against the TFC.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

You’re most welcome. The other intake that has straight shot at end runner is trick flow intake. May test that too.

[@maddansant3064]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland so many to choose from. That would be a good match pair to compare if you decide on it. Really look forward to this dyno session. Awesome work Tim.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@maddansant3064 thanks. Probably going to test 4 or 5 and finish with a tunnel ram and twin dominators. My wife will like that, with new G Force 4 speed.

[@danonoveh8114]

Awesome video Tim, Thanks🏁😃

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Your welcome. 🏁

[@keithbarron3654]

Agree with you on Yorker, ran 1850 with 2inch 4 hole spacer, did play with other spacers. Lived in Key West so short blocks, needed steady idle. 30 over, flat top 1968-9 4V heads, Chevy 427 valves. Rebuilt this engine in 1984, using PAW kit 260 psi.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Wowser Keith that’s a lot of cranking compression. Sound like you were in the now thanks

[@keithbarron3654]

Man, I hate stupid auto fill, meant Torker intake, just about only alternative then. I did order SVO valve covers, took about 6 months to get. Wish I had kept that engine, but was going overseas and front end of the truck was buggered, hitting raised manhole cover was hell on twin I beams.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@keithbarron3654 I knew what you meant. Now time to build another one 😊

[@billfioretti3013]

Personally, had the best results with The Torquer on single four barrel street stuff. O.E. Cleveland intakes were poor. Almost as poor as the 4300 and 4300D carbs. Boss 351 alum. intake was an improvement but the carb. though rare and valuable was junk. Dual four barrel Pro-Stock and Comp. 6464 or 7320s on Edelbrock UR-19 tunnel ram straighted runners and reworked plenum. Plenum reworked for free flow and shortened for larger carbs. Nice intake collection, DragBoss! Let Mrs. DragBoss choose hers!❤

[@aaronhaddad6150]

As always, great info. I building my own fuel injection intake. I will try to get my pictures to load.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes, a buddy had built one for a cleveland too a few months ago. Good luck

[@aaronhaddad6150]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Hey I am not trying to build a channel but somehow I created a short instead of sending you pictures. I titled it fuel injected Cleveland intake in the making. Hopefully you can see it

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@aaronhaddad6150 you can email me at [e-mail]

[@beauwalker6860]

That was the scorpion intake that had the higher plenum than the torquer

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes that’s it, could not remember if it was that or the Tarantula. Thanks.

[@martingagne367]

Sir do you have a video on the Built on your wife engine ? I am building a 351 ove.30 so I like to know what to do exactly than you sir YHANK YOU for you great video like always I salute you and your family from Quebec, Canada

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks so much. I have made some vids and specs. Here is one, there are a few more. Look way back. Thanks my friend. DBG: The 615 HP Ford 351 Cleveland with Stock Iron 4V Heads, The Girls Start Getting it Ready... kzbin.info/www/bejne/joHNYmhtfLGdhdU

[@sherrylockhart305]

Does anyone still make adapters for Cleveland manifolds for Modifieds ? 😊

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

At one time price motorsports used too. Thanks Sherry

[@JC-gw3yo]

For the sake of good testing, Air Feul ratio guages on each exhaust port is a must. I'm sure, Ford did a lot of testing, but using guages would certainly confirm

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I think the dyno has the capability as do most. Yep we will do the best we can.

[@briancool3110]

Tim great info ,thank you , do you have a D1ZX-9424-FA intake that you can test ?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

No I don’t. I had heard that a Roush style intake blew it out of the water

[@ronjacobs5667]

This will be awesome, just what we want to see, what these manifolds will do on a test engine. One manifold I always wondered how it performed, is the Bud Moore Engineering Maxi- plenum, that thing is so cool looking. But is it good? Keep up the good work, Tim!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Ron, that box intake was terrible, never heard anything good about them. More on the way.

[@jesse75]

A good test would be a short block that is standard stroke. Then a stroker engine.

[@ronjacobs5667]

The Clevelands did very well in NASCAR, always wondered what kind of power output they made. Many ran those Maxi plenums, and the Boss 302's dominated in the trans am series with Bud Moore's mini plenums. Thanks for the reply! Many someone would send a Maxi Plenum in for a Dyno test, I've seen several for sale but always big money for them.​@@DragBoss351Cleveland

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have never heard anything good about them. But these are from guys that may tried to run them on the street. Idk. Would be fun to test against other intakes.

[@studonohoe4338]

Can you make a channel on the prostock 385 series fords..

[@chadcarpenter4078]

Great video Tim and information I'm wondering on the weiand tunnel ram upper plenum has the D shaped ports if that helps air flow or creates a vortex,, also I've seen on Glidden's Ford Fairmont Cleveland tunnel ram looks like he has crank case valve between the carbs in the upper plenum going to header collector is this better than pulling from valve covers ? Maybe Darrin has some good good input on this when you get him back on,, Thanks

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Not sure on the vortex theory. Yes I have seen that too. I heard once anti backfire valve? I will next time I see him, when he stops by DBG.

[@administrator7573]

Does anyone have experience with the old Holley Strip Dominator? Any personal comparisons with it vs a modern Edelbrock RPM Air Gap?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have not really heard a comparison. Maybe someone will chime in. I like that intake too.

[@jesse75]

Is there anything to be learned from Leonard Wood ? Always great content on your channel !!!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Of course there is. He is the man for sure. Get me his contact info.

[@studonohoe4338]

Can you make a channel on the 385 series fords..

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That is a great idea. Just don’t think I can manage one, with work, family and another channel on PAs. Have not touched that in a year.

[@jakecrnkovich22]

What are the specs of your wife’s motor? Specifically compression and cam

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

12.1, cam is like 259/267, net lift is like .700. Never really got definite cam specs but saw those numbers mentioned.

[@drcolster]

Drag Boss, you have more manifolds than edelbrock..🤣🤣🤣

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That is only half, need to pick up pallet from BES, also full of aluminum heads too.

[@drcolster]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland Good stuff..👍👍

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

@drcolster way more than you will believe, stay tuned to what is next.

[@deanstevenson6527]

🥝✔️

[@Gdone]

Now if people want to gain knowledge ! We need to pay for a membership? The boss family is selling out

[@cdburlock]

Mr Dragboss I have a link for you... Differences in crankshafts , 351 vs 302 vs 302 billet or forged . If you tap on the end they sound different. The higher & cleaner the sound, the HARDER the material. Ben Alameda Racing kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4SzqpyJfbd1nbssi=u_NkfJ8toosGqyPX

[@cdburlock]

Effect of de-stroking a 351W that is 432cuin or 426cuin to a 408cuin ... Engine reved higher & E.T. was lower ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4SzqpyJfbd1nbssi=u_NkfJ8toosGqyPX

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I will have to ck that out. Ben and I have been trying to hook up on a live chat. Thanks for taking the time to educate us CD 🇺🇸🏁