DBG 351C: DragBoss 351 Cleveland Engine Block, An Available Iron Aftermarket 351 Cleveland Block

[@rempelrt]

This news makes me so happy. I had 351 Cleveland in a 1964 for Fairlane that I built with my Dad and best friend. Now I am building a 351c with a top loader in my son's 1970 Mustang. Long live the 351 Cleveland

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Amen to that. Long love the Cleveland. 😉

[@lanehawley4987]

The pantera community is looking forward to this, love to build a 427 for mine

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

For sure. Get a lightening program for block and really make a killa combo.

[@rickcarmichael4661]

We needed this back in the late 80s. Im all in with a 427 inch DBG cleveland. Let'er rip tater chip!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on. I want to build two, one pro stock with the pro stock parts I have, and another maybe just good old fashioned iron heads, nothing fancy😉DBG 351C

[@xxkingslayemxxgamer5553]

That's a beautiful sight to see all those blocks

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thank you, thank you very much. All day to organize and inspect. I plan on ordering 10 more, or wait 20 🤔

[@mavman351]

Oh my! Look out blue oval brothers and sisters, the DBG block is in the house! The bowtie boys better take note, school is in session! Way to go Tim! Excited for you man!!!! DBG for the win!!!!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Hey, I don’t take no prisoners. Like Ed said game changer. Thanks more to come, trust me. 😉🇺🇸🏁🎄

[@bravofoxable]

As a Cleveland die-hard, this is thé best news of the year! 👏🏻

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I agree. The best I have ever seen.

[@Bbbbad724]

What is the bore spacing? They look thick?

[@Bbbbad724]

On and main bearing size? 2.749

[@Bbbbad724]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland I would love to build a 427 Cleveland but I wish it was an FE crossover Y block with cross bolted mains and a side oiler with the original main size like the FE and Cleveland shared, a 4.125 bore and 4 in stroke. Put it in a 66 Comet 202 2 dr sedan. That would make a life time of trying to bring aftermarket parts to market worthwhile. have been black balled for wanting South Korean parts, or Indonesian castings for old stuff. I m blind now and just worn out. Tim you are the man!!! Absolutely beautiful casting! 4.63? 2.749? Great weight!

[@Bbbbad724]

Jay is your man for FEs! He can build Cammers too and Jay Brown is in them too. I will always love the FE. 4.63 space, 4..232-4.29. 2.749 mains. I really wish they had kept the FE block with Cleveland heads. But a Jay Brown FE would not be what it is .

[@superkillr]

I'm baffled by so many aftermarket blocks for the 351C, and so few if any made it into cars, let alone racing. It's also wild how much of it you were involved with, I had ZERO idea.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yep I started this deal with Tod. In states so few cause they can’t make them. They blame it on foundy bs and that may have a degree of lack of availability. But the truth is that can’t pour iron successfully. Don’t let them tell you they have them In stock or should be getting more soon… waiting on foundry. Bunch of BS. They can’t pour iron without holes or core shift. Whatever I am doing what I can to make them readily available. Not cheap either, fair market value 😉

[@ablejohnson]

Hopy Sh1t! This is history in the making. Bob Glidden is looking down from heaven giving you the big two thumbs up right now! Can't wait to see more on your builds with this new block. Murica F'Yeah 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 May the FORD be with you!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

BG for the win 🏁🇺🇸. Thanks for the support of the DBG 351C. You wait to see what these 427 ci fire breathing Cleveland’s make 💪

[@abcullens2328]

What an amazing Christmas gift, can't wait to see what you and other engine guys build with them, pretty wild Tim, thanks for carrying on the battle. 351 Cleveland forever 👍👍🏁😎

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on AB, keeping the Cleveland alive… and better than ever. The quest continues.

[@abcullens2328]

@DragBoss351Cleveland hey Tim here's a story for you, about the stock Cleveland blocks I used back in the day, in 11 years of racing the Cleveland on the dirt track, never had a cracked block from excessive heat or high RPM. The only blocks that got broken were because of an internal part breaking, like a rod failure or dropping a valve head into a cylinder and exploding a piston. The red line on my Cleveland's were 8000 rpm, but often pushed them to 8500 rpm. Engine temps were in the 220° to 230°range, I still have one of my racing Cleveland blocks, I built it in 1987 and raced it until 1992. Those old blocks were pretty good, Your new block looks like the ultimate Cleveland block.

[@xozindustries7451]

Good job man! I hope this venture works out for you. How many are you going to order before the Tariffs drive the prices up 25%? Has anyone in Australia built these blocks yet?

[@xozindustries7451]

What have you done with the oiling system?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Enough to keep the Cleveland alive. Yes many have told me their experience, even right in these comments.

[@edsmachine93]

Tim this is very awesome. You certainly surprised me with the New Cleveland Block. That block is heavy duty! This is going to be a game changer for people running a Cleveland engine. Merry Christmas to you and your family. Thanks for sharing, and congratulations on the new block. Have a good weekend. 👍🇺🇸👍

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Ed, cause I will tell you this dam thing is heavy. No cylinder wall flex. Johnson will test hardness. Which determines final hone finish, which leads you to rings. Build the engine around the rings, that’s where the power gain or loss. Especially with the walls the stock blocks have. You are right game changer…. DBG always seeing and learning something new. Have an awesome holiday season my friend.

[@elvispresley3340]

CHEERS from AUSTRALIA

[@jimtoledo8538]

WOW this is what I've been waiting forever for .Hope this works out Tim because I'm ready for one.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

You know who has them. Oh it will work out just fine. Thanks Jim

[@RodneyLopez-pn2mc]

Awesome news brother Tim Rodney from California

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Hell Yeah Tim Rodney, I was born in SanFran🏁 DBG 351C

[@johnelliott7375]

I had two friends in high school that had 72 Ford Gran Torino one with a 4 speed and one with a C6 and I was hooked on wanting one for life!💯%! I'm still looking for a standard bore factory block and crank since 1984. Hopefully I can get one together before I get too old to get a car built for it!

[@bobwhite4344]

nice looking block. good beef.

[@LukeSportsman]

Nice running into you at PRI. I've got like 5 sets of Cleveland heads so I'm certainly interested in a future block. Outside my 69 Boss blocks, my 9.2s have seen some use. Keep up good work!

[@LukeSportsman]

Don't mind the haters.... I have Higgins from Aus but I also have some speedmaster cast items. QC is required but the Chinese do most all the sub billet cranks out there.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Hey Luke, good to see you too. Glad you’re here. Yes sir, this is an amazing block so far. You know where I am. Thanks my friend.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes they do. Make most of the over seas cranks. I have waited for the two guys in the states to make iron, they are not successful. I will take the market over. Thanks

[@johnsalvaterra3116]

Hello Tim! Merry Christmas to you and family. Nice to see a new Cleveland block. 9.2 deck blocks have not been easy to get, ( even in a windsor ). Best of luck in this endeavor.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks so much John. Good to know. Hope you and your family have a great holiday season.

[@riverstonerodnresto]

A true Gearheads Dream Tim. Congratulations Sir!!! Absolute Gold.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes sir 24 K plated, all iron underneath. My dream has come true. Yours can too…

[@svenomick5857]

Tim Dragboss great stuff looks the part did You give the Block builder the Specs You wanted, ie the thick pan rails and so on did You give them the make up off the type of cast Metal to good luck with the venture I hope it goes very well love the Cleveland Stuff I have liked them sense I was a Kid I have three one in My Falcon is a 1973 make out of a XA Falcon Wagon, well Tim And Family hope You have a great Christmas and a Fun new Year go the Mighty Cleveland V8 cheers Mick Australia

[@rickmartin5922]

really liked video, i tried to get alum heads made for my LincolnnYblock , could not afford it , the regs on foundries in this country makkes it cost prohibative , also most people dont realize it but the Lincoln Y block was fords first OHV V-8 it came out in 52 for big ford trucks and lincolns , this engine ranges from 279 cid to 368 , very heavy ,my favorite engine. Rick Martin Darrtown Ohio

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Rick from Ohio. Yes heads big money for sure. An intake is about 30k to get made, pattern wise. I just saw one of the use blocks. Like the rock of Gibraltar

[@christiantroy7722]

Awesome work can't wait to see one of them up and running Cleveland forever

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That’s it, Cleveland’s to the front. 🏁

[@johnelliott7375]

Thanks for sharing this with me and my family/friends Tim! I hope you have a great weekend and then I'll wish you and your family a Merry Christmas!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Your welcome. Hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday season 🎄glad you enjoyed the video

[@jimm8264]

Can't wait to see how it machines up.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Me too. I have a great feeling. Others I know have had great success

[@mavrick351]

Way to go Tim hopefully i can get one some day

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I will have one ready.

[@studio95951]

Great video DragBoss. Merry Christmas to you and your wonderful family!!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Merry Christmas to you and four family 🎄

[@Mikeyhunts]

Tim, congrats! If you can get one analyzed and machined up with some run time, I bet you can sell a TON of these. I think your forthright honesty about what they will need and any deficiencies you see will be a huge plus. People are willing to tackle a project and do they work if they know what they are getting in to. Finding a really good machinist for to build these things would be the hardest thing I think. I bought an iron eagle dart block to build a Clevor. This is an awesome development that would have potentially changed my mind.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Michael, I appreciate the support from and other guys. This is a block for professional to machine /assemble, is how I look at it. The key is the machine shop and machinist. Some issues, but overbore capability and priority oiling overrides that to me.

[@Doug-b4p]

Merry Christmas to you and family. I really enjoyed finally hearing some true facts on airflow and engine dynamics I need more feed me feed me please .thank you very much love your dog she is really really cute

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

There will be a lot more of that coming soon. In the membership section. Yes Zeus is the best dog ever.

[@craigtuck1741]

wow Tim thats really cool to see, cant wait to see when the engines complete

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

You and me both. I am slow but sure 😉 thanks for joining 351C net.

[@MrADVANCEDTEK]

Awesome brother! Why Ford decided to axe the Cleveland is a mystery. That's alright we've got some light. Let the beast begin! Put that on your shirt man just came out. Sounded good lol.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

The beast is unleashed. I like that. It was expensive to make, and the insurance companies, were the influence to the big 3

[@MrADVANCEDTEK]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland yeah I get that but they kept the 351/400M. Ford could have used both 302/351 335' series they sent to Australia here. I'm just saying they were proving their worth when it got the boot. Sux

[@jamessharp9790]

@@MrADVANCEDTEKwell , think about it Ford’s V8 development in the 1960s . A lot was going on and Cleveland was at the end of the decade. Other engine families were suited for most of their applications. Insurance and emissions took it out. Shame too, because a larger displacement one would’ve been crazy good.

[@MrADVANCEDTEK]

@@jamessharp9790 True and I understand the issues. Ford spent the money for R&D had more power and had little brother 302 just like the windsor. I do understand it's a cost thing and maybe a lack of what will bolt up to it plus it's size. It stayed relevant in the Nascar and NHRA arena. Both Nascar and NHRA has the proof it was better then most engines by so much it was given the most penalties even over bigger enginees. Ford will never convince me that it was the wrong engine for them with it's insurance scare and ignore it's accomplishments. I don't know of an engine that changed the field that much since the Hemi. Oh well. It's out there holding it's own and finally getting respect.

[@Bbbbad724]

They killed the FE the same way. Why take a big dump on the engine that brought them to the dance? The engineering dollars that were spent to make it happen were lost, the Cleveland was the next link in the chain. Why? Now we have lame O 7 liter Windsors powered Cobra replicas. The beast still has the same power it had against the street Hemis. The Cleveland is the other casualty of cramming generic engines down our throats. Why? We know what we want.

[@stevenicolopoulos7561]

I purchased one of those blocks a few months ago and just finished dyno and its in the car running now. They are a good deal

[@drcolster]

Can i ask, what country are you in ???.... Did you use Standard .874" lifter diameter.. ???

[@stevenicolopoulos7561]

@drcolster sydney australia. Yes I used .874 lifters

[@drcolster]

Ok, Hydraulic Roller ???

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That’s what I like to hear. Thanks Steven 🏁

[@stevenicolopoulos7561]

@@drcolster yes

[@racer6583]

Oops forgot to say I'm really excited to see this and if the engine goes in my mach I know and hope your block will be a better replacement.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks me too man. I rolled the dice, come on 7s.

[@jonathancross-jm9yu]

Nice one Tim, yes those Clevo blocks are great value.. An Automotive importer friend of mine here in Australia brought a bunch of these blocks in from China and they were snatched up super quick as you can imagine.Feedback on them from certified engine builders was good all round, only some had to have the lifter bores bushed as they were just out of tolerance. Otherwise really well done block.Am waiting for his next shipment so I can grab one for my next project in my Falcon. Keep up the great content Tim. 👍🏼😉

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks my friend. Working on the next order. I will this week coming up more details on the block. I have heard the same mate.

[@CamboFord]

Ok Aussie Cleveland guy here. Very interested in this project. Why the different bore sizes? I can't wait for you to build it up and test it long term to see if they are up to it. Great work and merry Xmas

[@therory6888]

So Awesome! Rock On! Hope it all checks out! 👍👍😎☀️☘️

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I’m hoping too. Keeping the faith. Have a great holiday season. Thanks for watching DBG

[@mariodouehi1284]

Get ur engraver ready Tim an make the arrows on those caps to the front of the engine just in case looks awsome

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Great idea. I and working on a metal stamp, so that is a great idea.

[@johnelliott7375]

It doesn't look bad at all! Nice!

[@wenliyue6045]

Great!!! nice video!!!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thank you so much, appreciate Yue😊

[@thomaskelley1718]

I didn't see this coming, awesome, awesome, awesome

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I know. I have way more that will blow you away. Especially for guys in the membership

[@gearbanger57]

Cool stuff Tim. I've seen the machining prep work done on a Dart block, be interesting to see that in a video on one of these from start to ready to assemble.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Dave , I may get this done at Jays. WJ does not like Anything in his shop photographed. He may change his mind.

[@johnelliott7375]

It will be race ready by the time you get done with it!

[@ledoshuffle]

Love the cougar . What size rear tire ? Love that look

[@seanb250]

Congratulations mate 👍👍 I’m really looking forward to seeing the results of this, the castings look great so far 💪

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

It really does Sean. Think I have a grand slam. Many guys have used this with great success. Yes they all need some machine work. No big deal. That can be taken care of. Appreciate your support in this endeavor mate

[@seanb250]

@ absolutely agree, final machining is always needed, what your looking for from the core casting is quality of the material and thickness of the material, once they pass that then it’s final machining. People don’t seem to realise that even if you got a block from Dart that final machining and sizing is always required if building an engine to high standard.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That’s exactly right. My buddy had Sbf dart and was 2k to finish machine. I am giving you the Canvas, you paint the picture. Happy Holidays mate

[@marvsmith8137]

Great news, you can get a brand new cleavland 👌💪

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That’s what I am talking about. Trying to gauge this venture, as it is my adventure.

[@timh6977]

That's a nice looking piece there Tim!! Well done for taking a leap of faith. Any chance of getting the ship to drop some in Aus on the way past? Tim Australia 🇦🇺

[@alexb6018]

We had them here already matey.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I can make that happen. 🇦🇺🇺🇸🏁

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Not the DBG 351C, that is a DragBoss Exclusive 😉🇦🇺🇺🇸🏁

[@rolandtamaccio3285]

Congrats Tim ,,, !

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks my friend. Trying to keep the Cleveland alive.

[@adamt4496]

They all look good till you measure it up. The arrow blocks in au currently require about every face re machined and the main issue is lifter bores are in the wrong spot. Requires bushings.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

No worries mate, that’s why these are semi finished and for professional assembly. Any block you buy needs at least 2k worth of machine work. That’s why having it evaluated. I have waited too long 18 years Adam. Tired of waiting and making it happen. Any race engine should have lifter bushings. 😉

[@michaelspadoni629]

Just like every new block, if you want to blueprint just about everything needs machining that's normal & expected. Happy owner of an 434 Arrow and just got the latest version as per the DBG block ready for machining.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on mate. You get it. Nothing is bolt together. Every new block, needs work done. Appreciate you 🏁

[@perryford1014]

Awesome Tim 👍…. Congratulations on the new block ! Looks great and good video … how much to buy one if available or in the future? Thanks again Tim for another amazing video

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Working out all the details. Pretty stoked, and will keep you posted. Glad you’re here, lots more to look forward to…

[@racer6583]

My question is are you going to have a Bob Glidden style head in the future? I ask this cause the way Mr. Glidden did the Cleveland heads was a work of art and worked so great at the track.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

The heads today are much better, in regards to port configuration. Most have raised intake and exhaust ports. I think his Cleveland heads were done by Mullen and co.

[@marvsmith8137]

Awesome tim

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Glad you approve Marv. Can you imagine the possibilities?

[@marvsmith8137]

@DragBoss351Cleveland that's what I'm thinking tim

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on. Think about your race program 😊

[@thomastaylor1594]

merry christmas dragboss 🎉🐍🖖🏾

[@danderson9881]

I always wondered about the factory blocks-everyone said the Cylinder walls were too thin and would grenade. The only options were Aussie or SVO which was unobtainium without being rich. After awhile, realized that everywhere I went was the Bow tie groups, plus if you didn't hold the 351C at sustained 7000+ rpms-aka Nascar style racing, they are pretty much Fine! Long story short, I have been lugging around a stock D2 block, 2bolt, from a demoliton car that had a rusted broken frame and smashed the starter right away. Checked it out in college, ended up boring it .020" And I found that block in 1984.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Now is the time to get it together instead of lugging it around.

[@captnjim44smith74]

I see pantera has been mentioned, so I lift my hands too 🙌

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on Captn. One of my favorite cars. Of course it has a Cleveland on it. 😊🏁

[@bobleenko512]

Great great content DB. Tons of questions but your busy. One important to me question........your thoughts on the RY 45 block ??

[@drcolster]

Great Work Tim... Bored, Honed, Line honed.. Splayed billet caps.. they look good..Did they revise the Oiling System ???...

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes priority oiling. See what WJ says on evaluation.

[@johnelliott7375]

21:41 Guaranteed with a DBG sticker on it! Will look good on the wall!

[@chadcarpenter4078]

Wow Tim, looks like Christmas came early,, from the video it looks good and beefy, even has the screw in freeze plugs,, I've seen those brand blocks for sale is that a Dark Horse block? What a great way to get their name out there,, have dragboss build a big HP Cleveland and we'll get to see how well the block holds up,, im with you though,, I try to buy made in the USA but anymore it's made overseas and then machined here!!! Happy holidays to you and your family

[@clevo351]

The most important thing to check is hardness with a Leeb hardness test and sonic test all bores to see how thick and if any core shift. Here in Australia it would be a very popular block if it passes these tests😍

[@alexb6018]

We have this block in Australia, for some time now.🙄

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yep. The first test. Build around the rings/seal. These are supposed to be sonic. These look too dam good. We I’ll find out from the man WJ.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

We ain’t, so it’s up to me to take care of that mate.

[@clevo351]

@@alexb6018 Yes, but i would like to know how the hardness compares to the Dart block material🤔

[@clevo351]

@@alexb6018 You know the first Arrow blocks were a lot softer than a factory Cleveland block. When they were boring them out they cut like butter.

[@kenaem1286]

Just a wondering if the oiling is stock or is it revised? If revised, maybe a new video explaining the updates. Awesome video.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

It is revised to priority oiling. Ha ha so good. Already doing one. Thanks Ken

[@StainlessTIG2]

That’s awesome to see another aftermarket Cleveland block. Are these blocks priced competitive with a SBF Dart SHP or Iron Eagle Windsor block.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Good question. I see shop for 2400, iron eagle 4300. Plus they still have shipping and machine work. I will be in between them, more towards iron eagle. This iron may be superior to the iron Eagle. Which is like grade 30, These are grade 35-40, will find out from WJ next week.

[@StainlessTIG2]

@ Okay. Perfect. Those blocks are going to be the perfect platform for a big CI Cleveland. I’ll definitely be paying attention to your build. Thanks.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks a couple of builds. 3 to be exactly all cleveland. All 427, ci two iron and one aluminum. Stay tuned.

[@johnelliott7375]

10:22 I think I am dreaming! Had to pinch myself, LOL

[@Garagebuilt70]

Love this news!!!!!! When might we get some possible availability and $$

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have sold most. And ready to order a few more. I may take money down, working on details.

[@johnelliott7375]

Have a great evening and enjoy your Christmas Season!💯%

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thank you! You too! John. Hope you have a wonderful holiday season. 🎄

[@callum898]

Theres a facebook video from competition engines about the lifter bores on these being way off.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I saw that. But who cares, you get what you get and don’t have a fit. Not a big deal for a professional engine builder. You can put the lifter anywhere you want. They also said prob not a prob with keeping.875. That’s is the least of my worries. We will see. Thanks man

[@callum898]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland its definitely good. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on these blocks. I have a few under my bench at 030 and of course my 393 is 040. A fresh one would be nice.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Nothing is perfect. The block alone can pic up an 30 or 40hp from ring seal alone depending on the build. Getting evaluated so will know soon.

[@samperras]

Another chapter in your lives

[@georgedreisch2662]

Woohoo got to nail the first thumbs up…

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Dam it man your in there like swim wear. Congrats 🏁

[@georgedreisch2662]

Holy crap! Talk bout an early Christmas! It’s like y’all turned DBG into the FoMoCo Cleveland annex! Congratulations on a HUGE accomplishment, Tim!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I said almost the same words, lol. Yes, and I am going to order 10 more too 😉

[@markowens64-uh7bc]

Will this block get NHRA blessing for stock and superstock?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Who knows, good idea. I could stamp or have the part number put on in stock location. No one would lol. Nice lightening program , take of easy 25 lbs. be a game changer

[@superkillr]

What's the advantage of a Cleveland block over a Clevor style Windsor? The Windsor doesn't have that crazy front timing cover cast in and still takes Cleveland heads.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Great question. Clevor ain’t a Cleveland. Not much more to say, other than this is what the Cleveland should have been, guys like me and many other want to see what it is like to not have to be concerned with the plagues of a 54+ old blocks. Now a guy can make 600 hp with 427 ci Cleveland, easy. Also the Cleveland is one of the best engines or the best at making hp/per cube.

[@keithwilliams9173]

Sweet 🏁

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Agreed double sweet treat.

[@dalewarriorofthesea3998]

Hopefully Tim the production tolerances and cast quality is at a level to support some big cube canted valve output Time will tell fingers crossed 🤞 🚀

[@kramrollin69]

Well, you could buy a 460...which is just an even Bigger 351 Clevo.

[@dalewarriorofthesea3998]

@kramrollin69 absolutely , I'd be happy with the Windsor based aftermarket block with the Cleveland main journal diameter

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That’s it. I’m a gambling man and that what I am, I keep the faith. Dale, it’s my turn now. 😉

[@dalewarriorofthesea3998]

@DragBoss351Cleveland Faith without action is dead Go for it Tim A new stout Cleveland block is well worth it 👌

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes sir. I agree. I put my head down and don’t stop until I achieve my goal. Slow, but sure

[@curtiswalter86]

Did they tell you how much nickel and specific cast metals.?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

HT250 with 0.4% copper. Equates to grade 35-40? That is the first thing Johnson will do. We need to know how hard it is, for obvious reasons. But also to determine final finish/ what ring to use, ring seal is the key, to me. That’s how you build a motor. I forgot to add that. Thanks 👍👍

[@MilesVance]

i just bought.1 of those blocks im in New Zealand.its made in China.its identical even came in same box with red lid.

[@kramrollin69]

Did you get it through Sydney?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Good deal. Would love to come to kiwi country. Thanks for watching mate. Keep me posted on your build.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

No

[@kramrollin69]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland I was referring to our Kiwi friend, but cool you got them in the US. Looking forward to your future info and opinion.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

No worries mate. Thanks for being here

[@johnelliott7375]

You get into selling them, I will work for you delivering them!💪

[@bobbywalter5320]

awesomeness

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks Bobby.

[@jamesmiller2237]

I saw a video about these blocks and there were problems with the liftet bores and some othe problems

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes I saw that too. that is the least of my worry, that can be made right, no big deal. They also said probably no prob with .875 lifter.

[@theshed8802]

Couple of questions Time, is the oil system standard Cleveland? Or Windsor style? Are all of the fasteners standard Cleveland seizing? Certainly looking forward to seeing more about this block

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

The block has priority oiling. Will make a video. Yes all seem factory. Main hardware don’t trust. WJ may have it tested. Me too for once an alternative, that is Cleveland. Get some more details. Stay tuned

[@racerd9669]

Funny thing I had a C aluminum block w a 1968 casting date on it, whats w that.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have an iron one from 68. It was one of the first aluminum blocks for trans am racing. That had weak mains with 7/16 bolts.

[@alexb6018]

They were made for the Transam Mustang programme. First guy to run one was Allan Moffat in Australia with the Red Coca Cola Mustang. One of them with the 4V Ford Cleveland Alloy heads is for sale now Allan Moffat Racing tagged.

[@racerd9669]

@@alexb6018 So for TransAm racing it would have been a Boss 302, so the C engine was not a C at all it was a Boss High-bred.

[@393boss]

good for you DB ... seeing this vid brought back some bad memories when i got involved with the Tod block, had my name on 3 of them with deposits back in 2006, what a GONG show that was, lost hundreds of dollars getting my deposits back from tod. are these 9.2 or 9.5 ???

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Then you remember me being involved back then. The two guys that supposedly had blocks have none for most part and will never make iron. Like I said done waiting and will take over the market.

[@393boss]

DB, you know that iron has never been easy to cast, IMO what makes the offshore iron 351 W/C block offerings good is that they are cast by foundries that ALSO cast PRODUCTION BLOCKs & HEADs for other manufacturers, the iron is OE grade, same as what the dart SHP blocks are which have turned out to have less cracking issues than there higher end blocks and this is a fact. Wish you best of luck in your new endeavor.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Thanks you. I have heard lots of good things about and proven results. This block may not be perfect, but it has the key elements we need, and have desired for over 50 years. This is HT250 with 0.4% copper. Supposed to be equal to 30-40 US specs. Thank you for the support

[@danielpeterson2675]

What’s the cost of the new 351 Cleveland block. Thanks.

[@Matthew-uj4zx]

Hey Tim. You have mentioned a few times that you made slightly more HP with a 4500 carby over a 4150. But you race with the 4150. Does the 4150 ET better, even though it makes a little less HP?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have never raced it at 775 only dyno. When I did test combo previously. 752hp, 4500, 1050, 9.66 at like 137 +, switch intakes, 4150, 9.68, 136. 4150 fits under hood scoop perfect. Much better low end too. 1.25 60 now.

[@davidreed6070]

I would like to see you put darens heads on a 454. You might break the 7s.

[@timmiller260]

Dam wow nice

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on Tim

[@davidreed6070]

Tim,what stroke will it accept?

[@amracingent]

Strong yes, because 160 to 200 v8 block are common weight

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on brother

[@captnjim44smith74]

First grade question, is the 400M block just a Cleveland with a higher deck height ?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes you could say that.

[@terrycarter8929]

I'm surprised you didn't have some sort of casting number put on that surface

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I did not design it. May be in future

[@scottosborne8735]

What kind of displacement is needed (in a street motor) to make good velocity in Cleveland 4v heads? Maximum 6000 rpm.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Probably 383 and bigger.

[@jwhiting904]

When can we buy one and how much

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I will have a better idea, after I figure everything out. I will say this, got so many wanting one, sold 8 already only have a few to sell. Like I told the guys, no guarantee, I am going to order more soon. Email me [e-mail]

[@austincassell4741]

Where are they being made tho???

[@the_hobby_cavethcracing444]

He said China more then once.....

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

What up? You are correct. Thanks

[@edwinmuzzey7161]

I must have missed it. Where do I order 1.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

That’s what I’m working on, have sold most. Ready to order more. Need evaluation done, before I price.

[@terrycarter8929]

Who makes the main bolts? Oil passages converted to priority main?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Who cares about bolts, replace them. Buy once cry once. Yes priority main.

[@terrycarter8929]

​@DragBoss351Cleveland just curious about the bolts. Yes I would always go with ARP but would be nice if they came with them.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

They don’t look dependable to me. P1 mfg is going to sponsor me for hardware, top quality and only other manufacturer.

[@kramrollin69]

Looking good. Are these that ProComp/SME company, that was suppose to be started in Oz? Note the 302 marking....bit of a joke but as you know...we have 302 Cleveland engines and people use them as they are the same as the 351. Keep the info flowing. Maybe put me 2v closeys on.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

I have no idea, other than it’s the DBG 351C, and that’s how it rolls. This is a race block to me, so I look at it that way. Professional evaluation going on.

[@samuelyniguez3816]

That thing is BOSS!

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Right on brother DragBoss 351C

[@seansongmusic]

We need to find someone that will make a dual plane and single plane 4V intake for a 351M/400. That way you would need any spacers. So, what does a guy need to do to get one of these blocks? How much stroke can safely support? What size are the main journals?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Good luck with that. Prob be the same as a standard block since it has the same deck height. Mains are 2.75

[@derrickjderrickjones9415]

I love the block where can I get one?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

From me, getting ready to order more. Working on details and cost. [e-mail].

[@derrickjderrickjones9415]

Please let me know when you order ​@DragBoss351Cleveland

[@derrickjderrickjones9415]

Do you know the hp ratings on the block

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

You can email me [e-mail]. I bet this handle 2500.

[@rheidtech]

WoW.

[@geneticrex]

A solid platform is key, so check it out top to bottom and build a killer.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Warren Johnson sure will.

[@geneticrex]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland I have no doubt....

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Know next week. Stay tuned

[@sherrylockhart305]

Should have put a Cleveland in your 66 rambler lol😊

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Ha ha ha it has a 1bbl 199 ci 3 on the tree. Best lot car. 5 acres of fields and dirt paths. The best times

[@robertbray5735]

What about the old svo blocks

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Windsors. Got one.

[@brianb8489]

Priority main oiling?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Yes sir,it is.

[@brianb8489]

@DragBoss351Cleveland are you going to use a power adder to test out the block?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

No. Not at the moment

[@brianb8489]

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[@billfioretti3013]

DragBoss built it and they will come. There's been a void in the market for an improved Cleveland cylinder block. "Not no more." DragBoss has delivered. Soon he'll be delivering to you. Oh yeah, he's building that website too. He and who 's who in the industry will be on tap to deliver knowledge. And as DragBoss is apt to say, "Knowledge is Power." Let's share the knowledge and make some power! Happy Holidays to all!❤

[@ford-oz3vs]

So why is your aluminum Trackboss block just sitting?

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

Because, BES never talked with me for close to two years. When something is delivered and I hear nothing for a year. They don’t want to work on it or I think do dam busy for this. If we are working on something there should be open communication. When someone does not answer phones or emails there is an issue. I understand shops are busy. No excuse. Had some help issues I was told. No biggie. Not mad, just know BES ain’t the place to have this done.

[@ford-oz3vs]

@@DragBoss351Cleveland OK, I wasn’t aware that you were helping them develop the program. I will follow this so I can see how this block works out after you help them work the bugs out.

[@DragBoss351Cleveland]

No programs development, just want my block done. Stay tuned for the rest of the story