Dragon Age 2 Full Templar Ending [HD]

[@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer]

What I like about the Templar ending is that you can confront Orsino about Quentin. In the mage ending it falls completely under the table.

[@nathanielrodriguez1873]

His excuse was also bs. If he had exposed the serial killer in the beginning BEFORE Meredith was exposed to the red lyrium, she would have trusted him to keep bad mages in check

[@sushles]

@@nathanielrodriguez1873 she'd have found another reason

[@dominicunderwood4911]

Oh yeah, that would be a pretty big friggin' plothole to skip past like its nothing, wouldnt it?

[@thejohnhopkinscompany9599]

People complain about killing both Meredith and Orsino regardless of what side you pick, but personally I think that it perfectly shows the inevitability of the coming war. It doesn't matter what side anyone picks, in this conflict no one can win.

[@princeofsomnia7664]

no its just lazy writing.

[@Dark_Voice]

If they wanted to do it, I would support it IF they made it plausible. Him cutting himself in the middle of allies when no enemies were near was bs in the mage ending. This ending at least makes sense because nobody really knows what red lyrium does exactly.

[@thejohnhopkinscompany9599]

​@@Dark_Voice Yeah, it happens pretty abruptly and isn't particularly well executed, but I really like the base concept of a war you start but can now never win regardless of what side you choose. The whole game seems centered around Hawke being a catalyst for world events and not realizing what they've started until its too late. As with literally everything in this game, it would have been better with an extra year or two of development time.​

[@Agent-lw3fh]

i cringed hard reading this... This is just stupid lazy writing nothing more...

[@987jof]

Am I the only one who thinks that, having played all DA games now, DA2 is pretty much just the prologue to Inquisition? I still liked the game but it is just a thought.

[@JoeTyler85]

kamikaze potato yes, and that means it's Bioware's laziest product so far

[@LupineLoonatic]

Funnily enough DA2 was originally going to have the same plot as inquisition, but I think they decided they needed one more game for a background or something like that.

[@whitecreamymilk8436]

It really is... I mean you're even put on rails so your decisions won't effect the future... Isabella escapes when given to airishock.. Supporting either templars or mages winds up the same way.. The game was horse shit and nothing but a frustration... Its the only bioware game I swore to never platly again... Hordes and hordes of chaff and archers isn't good gameplay. At least it let us see the qun I guess... The only redeemi g quality to the game.

[@teoadventures2564]

+The Warden perhaps; DO4 (may be happening in the Tevinter Imperium) maybe there do2 decisions that are to be "relevant", maybe we found a fenris trying to free the slaves, or being subjected to Danarius; and also a Feynriel trying to control their magical skills ...,everything could be possible!

[@roronoalaoudj]

I hope we can see him again.

[@jonasty123dm]

Conclusion: it doesn't really matter what choices you make throughout the game; you'll get the same result: both Meredith and Orsino die -_-

[@B-rex395]

It’s as the fear demon said “Do you think you mattered, Hawke? Do you think anything you did actually mattered?”

[@josephford2226]

Yeah, the entire game is basically just preparation to try to get your party members to survive. Not enough friendship or rivalry with the wrong choice and certain party members will abandon you (and subsequently die). I appreciate this. Keep the larger narrative a straight path, but the smaller, more personal details which ultimately matter more to you are in your control.

[@requiem5151]

@@josephford2226 Well, I would appreciate it more if any companion's death actually meant something. My gripe with many ''evils'' choices in Dragon Age games is that they really doesn't matter in the long run. You can have Leliana killed in DAO and she'll appear in DAI nonetheless. DA2 companions doesn't really seem to matter in DAI.

[@josephford2226]

@@requiem5151 The series feels set up in a way that you are supposed to be personally invested in what you are doing in that game, not the long run. It's pretty different from Mass Effect in that regard. Mass Effect touted itself as a series which will have long-reaching affects across the series depending on what you did in each game. And, despite people's claims to the contrary, they did accomplish that. But, Dragon Age has a pretty clear personal motive for your decisions that ends at the end of each game. In DA:O your goals are to defeat the Blight. Every decision you make is motivated with that goal in mind. Everything you do empowers or weakens your army at the end of the game. There's a clear gameplay and emotional payoff at the end of that specific game for everything you did. Dragon Age 2 does much the same as I've already laid out regarding your own emotional attachment to the characters in THAT game. These things that your decisions affect aren't really intended to go beyond THAT game. As for Leliana not dying when you kill her in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, it IS a bit of a copout, but the excuse that she used the Sacred Ashes is decent enough. And, they DID clearly plan Leliana's character arc from the start. Fun fact: Leliana comes with a trinket in DA:O. It is a "Seeker's Amulet". That's some pretty cool foreshadowing. It seems she was always written as a spy for the Divine. It just doesn't come up in the first game. It's likely she was in Lothering in the first place to spy on the Hawke family. It would make sense that the Divine would be aware of the Grey Warden prison that holds Corypheus. And, they would therefore also be aware of the fact that only blood from that family could release him. So, it makes sense that they would want to have a spy keeping tabs on them. She just then lost track of them as a result of a way more immediately imposing problem came around (the Blight). Anyway, point being that they clearly had a plan for this character. Which means they never planned for that character to die. I'm willing to believe that they had that copout planned from the very beginning. Considering the apparently incredible liar and resourceful person she is, I can believe it.

[@tyrianprotectionsquad8938]

@@josephford2226Meredith die?

[@waltigs]

Meredith was just another victim of the damned Lerium idol, which exacerbated the worst parts of human nature ... Her strong sense of justice became irrational hate, which eventually engulfed her... If you had proper conversation, she would tell you in Act 3 that all her family were killed by blood mages, which was why she had a strong opinion about them. Given the fact that she vetoed crazy anti-mage policy before, had she not received the Lyrium sword, she might be able to be more reasonable.

[@tiffanywithers9298]

walty her sister

[@thehucklebillyfenn]

walty it was her sister too. She killed 70 people before the templars put her down right in front of Meredith, a little girl who had no one. It makes complete sense that she would join the template and act the way she did in part 1, and the lyrium idol made her negative opinion of magic turn into a full blown hatred that consumed her being in parts 2 and 3. She did really well considering she had the idol for around 3-6 years. It almost killed Bartrand in the short time he had it and he was a dwarf. The story or Kirkwall is a tragedy because it probably wouldn’t have happened anywhere else. It just so happen to be an ancient Tevinter slave capital with an incredibly thin veil. Even in legacy dlc, there is a diary from some warden theorizing that corypheus could be speaking to mages in their dreams which could attract demons causing more blood mages. Hell, I even side with the templars more often then not nowadays because even though they are both correct, (Orsino was correct that she was mad and Meredith was right that Orsino and therefore many of the circle were blood mages) the abolishment of the circle wouldn’t fix the outside factors that make Kirkwall a mage nightmare and a blood mage spawner.

[@Antlion666]

Best part about this game was that everyone moaned about Blood Mages, like Anders went on about it non-stop. No-one stops to question why my mage Hawke feels the need to impale himself on his Staff every other second and blood turns up out of the floor.

[@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg]

I executed that blonde idiot, and even lol reported him to Cullen even before the finał quest.

[@Spigy88]

The problem with the Chantry is that they use templars as prison guards when in fact they should be magic police. Subjugating of mages is why things go wrong every time. Magic users should be allowed to live free and if someone goes outside the law then they will be treated like every other criminal. But, instead of city guard, templars and other mages come to arrest them. Then again they do live in the middle ages so it's no surprise.

[@HalfTangible]

The issue isn't so much that Templars act as prison guards - it's that mages are thrown into prison (ie, the circle) just for existing. What I would do (if it were up to me) is keep the circle, but a mage is only confined to it until he passes his Harrowing. Then, he's allowed to come and go as he pleases (perhaps marked with a tattoo or some form of magic mark only Templar can see?) as long as his phylactery remains intact. We'd build a prison to hold the mages similar to the circle, guarded at all times by Templar and as many antimagic measures as can be mustered. The Rite of Trainquility would be a threat used to keep order in the prison, or for mages that (like that tranquil in the circle tower) are afraid of getting possessed by demons. Templars would serve as jailors for mages as well as magic police: they'd go out and force mages to obey the law. The 'military arm of the chantry' is a function that confuses me, since it pretty much guarantees the Chantry will be hostile to mages, and would be cut. Maybe replaced by the Inquisition. And finally, if you've used blood magic, fused with a spirit/demon, or destroyed a phylactery, you're imprisoned for life or killed. Period.

[@exxiethewriter3567]

You speak the words 'magic police' like we don't have issues with actual police abusing their power. I hope things have changed in the years since this comment was made.

[@KenLel]

@@exxiethewriter3567 Its a video game you absolute tit lmao And you replied to an 8 year old comment to whine about politics and say his language about fictional spellcasting necromancers/blood mages was offensive. Police abuse of power was at its worse in 2020-2021 with covid tyranny which has largely passed, but I have a feeling you were ok with power abuse in that case and are instead upset about a handful of POC criminals being shot while trying to commit crimes. But yes if blood magic was real, you would need magic police. In DAO a single mage wipes out an entire town and resurrects hundreds of corpses, and that was accidental. If any amateur blood mage wants to they could storm anywhere they want with an army of corpses, or use mind control to cause a large scale war. If it was real you could cause a nuclear holocaust with blood magic, not to mention they can shoot explosions from their finger tips at will. Death to apostates.

[@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg]

The Chantry is the real source of problems in Thedas. It should have been overthrown a long time ago, but countries like Orlais make it difficult (read: so many religious idiots behind those fancy masks).

[@josephford2226]

I know this is an ancient comment, but it's an interesting subject so I think it's worth discussing. I don't think the entire Circle concept should be dropped. You can't give untrained mages the same freedoms as everyone else. At the very least, mages need to be sent to a Circle for a few years until they complete their Harrowing. Mages aren't just dangerous because they have powers. They are targets for demons. Abominations can wipe out entire towns. It's true that most mages don't fall prey to demons. But, if you knew a man in your neighborhood had a small percent chance of becoming a nuclear bomb, you wouldn't feel safe. More importantly, if there are dozens of people in your neighborhood that have a small percent chance of becoming a nuclear bomb, you AREN'T safe. Law of large numbers means one of them WILL explode. And, it only takes one of them to explode to end hundreds, if not thousands, of lives.

[@ndbd9drn]

The Harvester in the Golem DLC from Origins was sooo much harder!

[@RSMith816]

I wish I could of given Anders another cat in DA2! =/ Sir pounce-a-lot was the BEST!!!! Sry, nice cat profile pic!

[@ndbd9drn]

RSMith816 My cat looks exactly like Ser Pounce-a-lot! A fluff of ginger tabby cuteness :D (All 3 of my cats are tabbies)

[@SwagBroPlays]

Highly underrated game

[@Spartan135]

Dragon age 2 is 1000 times better than DA Inquisition.

[@ripvanwinkle7689]

Nah fuck it origins is 100 times better

[@shepard8433]

The only thing in Dragon Age 2 I liked are this little decisions "What shall I do now? Should I help mages or templars?" But the rest of the game .. Nah. Fighting was cool but after dozens of enemies getting killed by my team i was having a feeling that I killed the whole village. I did all the side quest but it was boring as fook. Go there kill that and go to start location Welp everyone likes something diffrent and I'm not here to judge their style. Just saying my opinion ...

[@kolyh1561]

Best history, worst game

[@Toshin23]

@@ripvanwinkle7689 yep

[@KingNazaru]

Hey, the Templar woman is voiced by the same woman who voiced Elenwen, Meridia, and Boethiah.

[@predality]

i also noticed this she is the same voice actor i do not remember her name '-'

[@DivineXPotato]

wait merida and boethiah have the same voice actors? explains why they sound similar lol

[@tiffanywithers9298]

KingNazaru she voiced an elf in Skyrim

[@ethanparker4309]

@@predality Jean Gilpin

[@ethanparker4309]

Jean Gilpin

[@vardellsfolly5200]

3:13. That dude, on her right. He heard enough of her bullshit and he fucked off. There, did you see him? He was so fed up, he literately disappeared.

[@vardellsfolly5200]

Nobody saw him fucking off, i suppose..

[@cripplehawk]

When I think of Dragon Age 2 I think of Jaws 2.... Where Jaws 2 is a good film like DA2 is a good game. But despite being good Jaws 2 will always pales when comparing it to Jaws. Like DA2 pales when it compares to Dragon Age Origin

[@randomrandom7197]

cripplehawk by the end of the first act I was thinking about getting drunk urge got heavier through each act but in the end I never took a sip of alcohol

[@guiv5412]

I wish i could join the Templar Order, i think it would be great for a secondary storyline. :/

[@Spartan135]

Perhaps in Dragon Age 4.

[@sabbywins]

Nah man. Fuck the Templars

[@KingbiggaX2]

When I first played I sided with the Templars just because I actually like Knight Commander Meredith. She's a unique female character. Plus she has the best line in a video game: "Blessed are those who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter".

[@chrishamilton7516]

That one is a close second for me to Corypheus’ “Pray that I succeed. For I have been to the throne of the gods and it was Empty.” Like that line. Phew. That carries such a bleak outlook on Thedas. Because he isn’t saying that the gods aren’t real. He’s saying everything was there. The throne. The city. But it was abandoned. As if the Maker had abandoned the world. Which is MUCH more concerning than “we were all lied to ba-humbug the gods weren’t real”

[@squares4u]

“Blessed are those who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.” That is actually a line from the Chant of Light. It’s in a few of the codex entries. Meredith didn’t coin that like some ultra villain monologuing - she pulled that line from the Chantry in an attempt to show how righteous she was in the eyes of the Maker.

[@channel45853]

Bioware didn't do a good job making the templars seem like a joinable faction. If Meredith was reasonable and didn't want to kill an entire circle for the actions of a mage not even in the circle, then maybe there would be a possibility.

[@jackthestormer1208]

Choosing a Dragon Age 2 ending is like choosing the best STD. There is none. Either asshole templars who will slaughter all the mages even the fucking Tranquil and non blood mages with the Right of Annulment, or the first enchanter and his blood mage friends.

[@chrishamilton7516]

Way to outright prove the Chantry correct you psychopath. “You guys say we’re evil! We’ll show you! Prepare the ultimate evil spell we’ve been hiding!”

[@sherricarney]

Cool how the demon fetus from golems of ammgerak made a return in DA:2 :D

[@windwardbirds6741]

The maker has guided us here to end your evil, Orsino!

[@Peter-os7nk]

THE MAKER HAS GUIDED YOU ALL TO YOUR DEATH!

[@Riftrender]

I always feel bad for Orsino in a story and meta sense. If he didn't have to deal with Meredith's tyranny, he would have stayed sane and never would have crossed the despair event horizon (mage ending) or snapped (templar ending). Also he was only made a boss in the mage ending because EA wanted another boss.

[@thestormofwar]

Given that family is Hawke's berserk button, Orsino pretty much had it coming.

[@Riftrender]

I'm not disagreeing, but Orsino would have never kept Quentin's existence a secret if it wasn't for Meredith's tenure as knight-commander.

[@thestormofwar]

Riftrender Perhaps. But given that Malificarum are pretty much "Kill on sight" in Thedas and Orsino was tacitly harboring Quentin's existance and indulging his research, any respectable Templar probably would have had Orsino's head. In truth, I usually choose the Mage ending because I never subscribe the Bad Apple - Bunch theory, but Orsino pretty much had it coming regardless.

[@Anna464]

LightningSamus They had the same thing with the Mass Effect series which is why the ending there was like it was and not the original ending that they intended. I really hope they don't do the same with Dragon age.

[@themaskedman757]

People get mad at the Templars but it’s kind of hard not to side with them when every time a Mage faces any sort of inconvenience they start spilling blood all over the fucking place to try and fix it

[@A.76-v4z]

I really like meridith's boss fight especially when she talks between the fights

[@n7furyoperative975]

Maker! Aid your humble servant!

[@jmurakami_346]

Get's turned into a statue. "Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed."

[@Qdot543]

The Warden, Hawk and what ever hero we play in DA3 would make an epic party

[@diamante9721]

Im coming from the future to say that the Inquisitor and Hawke made and epic party with one warden

[@B-rex395]

@@diamante9721 indeed, but it’s not OUR warden. The Warden is Alistair (if he isn’t king, dead, or exiled), loghain (if he isn’t dead), or stroud if neither of the former two are available.

[@hornedskullasmr7811]

IMO if there was a third option, it’d involve Sebastian and an army from starkhaven and Cassandra declaring an immediacy disbandment of both the circle and the Templar order of Kirkwall, thus making the corruption from the lyrium idol more prominent thus giving Cassandra more reason to brand Meredith unfit and the desperation Orsino has making him more willing to use blood magic,

[@gato23]

@Starl00 Kirkwall is also a special case since the Veil is super thin and people don't know it, this made the mages especially vulnerable to possession and justifies the Templar's strict hold on the kirkwall circle.

[@ВладиславШаклеин-ч7м]

Since Red Lyrim is Titan blood infected by the Blight, just how hillarious is Meredith calling on "the Maker" is when invoking its power.

[@Chorkly]

i actually agreed with anders, the mages had to do something to get rid of their oppressers or it could never of happened, every war revolution needs a spark

[@skull2470]

lol my reaction to that sword was omg she has soul edge

[@realmk]

It's truly amazing that no matter what your choices are in DA2, the game plays out the same way regardless. Bioware sure has gone down hill the last few years.

[@SophH911]

Think that is kind of the whole point, not weakness on Bioware's part. I find it interesting the concept that, whatever we do, the war was inevitable. Although saying that, our choices both in origins and DA:2 are supposed to heavily influence the third game. Suppose there's nothing we can do but wait, and hope bioware delivers.

[@realmk]

congokong87 That's exactly what I mean, Bioware titles used to have different endings, or at least different story blurbs at the end to tie up loose ends. DA2 was so obviously a rush job that they didn't even bother with even attempting to give the illusion of choices mattering. My hope is with the extended dev time DA:I received, that it goes back to feeling more like DA:O rather than the shit fest that was DA2.

[@robertmitchell3406]

I think it is important to have both Mereditha dn Orsino as problems either way to ensure the correct plot for DA:I. If it was only one faction or the other that you side with, there may be less choices in DA:I. Giving both sides their good and their bad will lead to more compelling options in Inquisition.

[@HalfTangible]

Not so! If you choose Templar you have to walk farther.

[@SophH911]

congokong87 Okay that's true. Dragon age is the only RPG I really play, so I'm used to kind of just being led along in games, that only have one ending.

[@Lelouchxzero1]

I chose Templars from a personal choice. having read the codex that Orsino knew of the existence of the bastard that kill my mother I had to help the Templars in hope that I could reach my sister before they did because if I help them maybe they would let my sister live. that was my hope and it all worked out for me. I even became Vicount. Also what i found funny for me is just how many people lied to cassandra in my playthough. Varric knows where hawke is and Leliana in my playthrough knew where the Warden was.

[@teoadventures2564]

+Lelouchxzero1 Agreed, I did chose the Templar for the same reason too...

[@Shadowhunterbg]

+Lelouchxzero1 I choosed the templars and im happy about it. My Hawke wanted to be neutral. I helped mages and templars in that conflict. But one of the mages really pissed me off. I saved her from one of Alaric's lackeys, set her free and later i found her in the Gallows. She was like "Oh they got me. Your help was not enough!!!" ( saying it with a hateful tone towards me). Later she becomes a blood mage and kills Thrask for no reason. She resorted to blood magic only because she wanted me dead for killing her crazy blood mage husband... I quickly assassinated that fool. Orsino kept a blood mage in secret that killed many women in Kirkwall. One that defiled their bodies with that unclean experiment. And he is the FIRST ENCHANTER for fucking sake! The leader of the Circle! How can he tolerate this? If the First Enchanter keeps a blood mage in secret then the Circle is really corrupt. A note shows that Orsino actually was curious of the results of Quentin's experiment. That's sick! We, the players, find out that Orsino protected that blood mage. I am sure that he knew about many more blood mages and kept his mouth shut. The bullshit that mages say "We turn to blood magic because we are oppressed and have no choice..." isn't working on me. A mage can cast fireballs, create lighting and fire storms and use devastating ice attacks while non mages fight with swords, bows and shields... A normal mage can stand their ground even without blood magic. Like Fenris said "This is just an excuse to use blood magic." And he is damn right! My Hawke didn't want power. She wanted peace to be restored. Becoming Vicount was a choice the people of Kirkwall made. Even now she is neutral. Let the mages hate my Hawke. They judge her by the choice she made in the end and not by the huge amount of good deeds she did for templars and mages before that BIG CHOICE. Siding with the templars means that you kill innocent people? Well no shit! How is that different from when you side with the mages? You don''t kill metal monsters. You kill men and women in that armor that have families to care for and had nothing to do with this. They only follow orders. Kirkwall was totally infested with blood mages and the presence of tevinter mages that supported all of this showed that Tevinter had plans for that city. As the Champion of Kirkwall i am the protector of this city. And siding with the templars, those who kept order, was my duty. And so she did. And the people of Kirkwall adore her for this. During the Rite of Annulment i saved as much mages as i could. Those who were strong willed and smart enough to NOT use blood magic. My Hawke loves her mage sister and Fenris and all of her friends. Let the mages hate her. THEY DON'T KNOW HER! :3

[@teoadventures2564]

Shadowhunterbg well said; same here; I tried with my Hawke(rogue) to save as many mages as posible in "The last Stand"; however; I wasn't sure If side Meredith or Orsino; at last..., I didn't regret it at all; discovering Orsino was keeping Quentin in "secret" made me mad.....

[@Shadowhunterbg]

TeoAdventures In my "Canon" storyline Hawke is also rogue. An archer in fact. As is my Warden (melee rogue). Rogues are just that fun for me! xD

[@Lelouchxzero1]

+TeoAdventures Best part is as batty as she is Meredith is right you don't summon a ritual out of thin air and how many demons did you kill in the circle once the battle started, and where did they all come from? Most of the mages all used or knew how to use blood magic.

[@hearmycallable]

Bethany D: And all of the circle magi who fell to the templars when the first enchanter went crazy. Seems like most of the magi that uses blood magic uses it in life or death, thinking they can handle the power.

[@ThomasNoblitt]

@svord000 Bethany probably likes the circle because she could be free of being hunted like a dog. As for Merrill, this is where the 'vigilant' Templars would come in. The Dalish shunned her and she would be suspected of blood magic and shadowed. She would never have gotten as far as she did, the Templars would have intervened. Plus the keeper said the clan kills them if they're dangerous. The mages were only allowed outside of the tower when they were need. They were kept on a very short leash.

[@inkmage80]

@Nanozom I agree 150%! I did the same thing, mage went with the Templar, Warrior, and Rough went with the mages. They actually already started working on Dragon Age 3, but they said they are more concerned with the expansions of 2 right now.

[@SephirothsStudent]

She dies in the Deep Roads if you bring her, but not Anders too, otherwise, she becomes a Grey Warden. If you leave her home, she's taken into the circle.

[@strikestorm]

It bugs me you help the templars but the mages hear your name as a rallying cry...doesn't make much sense other then Bioware wanted to save money on cinematics...Well still an amazing game that gets flak from people who typically never played the first one but say it's better. Thanks!

[@FilosofiadiCazzeggio]

Your name is a rallying cry because they hate you. Varric says you have come to represent their oppression at the hands of the templars

[@realmk]

Origins is better in every way, hands down, it's not even a contest, though you have to take into consideration the dev time on Origins was 5+ years and they pooped out DA2 in about 15-18 months.

[@Sharpclaw2000]

yeah, and the male hawke is the standard aswell, they didn't even animate the woman.

[@channel45853]

@@realmk orgins is slow and a lot of it can be pretty boring but overall it is a good game. Not as good as 2, the characters are way better in 2, and many of the antagonists.

[@OtomostheCrazy]

Willing sacrifices my ass. You could’ve continued looking for a way to get them out instead of powering up

[@TheDemonGinger]

meredith may be scary but she was an awsome character in the story

[@alias100]

@Starl00 Just because Mages have more of a tendency to be possessed or use blood magic does not mean they should all be literally imprisoned for something they were born with. Any person and Templar has a potential and capacity to murder and commit any kind of atrocity. Just as there are well meaning mages there will be corrupted ones, same can be said of normal people or even Templars themselves.

[@Otterinheaven]

@DaHuntsman1 Except that the Darker skin happens to have this random side-effect of talking to Satan, making willing bargains for power (In distress or premeditated) that is fueled by the blood of themselves/others (And possibly their lives). Then, of course, they could create thralls and make people do their bidding. Not to mention what a particular mage did. Give a powerful mage a few minutes in a building and he could make it explode spectacularly.

[@wilsonjchris1]

@Starl00 Being a grey warden is to be in a very strict group. It's not a group for one to enjoy. In the circle, she's surrounded by other mages, people who can sympathize with her; of course she likes it better in the circle. Bethany is at least an example of a decent mage. She rejected the use of blood magic, stated that she did not see it as the solution for freeing other mages. She took no selfish choice in achieving her ways, compromised no others in her actions. Evidence enough?

[@ImperialKnight770]

can't believe I missed this game

[@ThomasNoblitt]

@svord000 The Templars in Ferelden werent like that. The reason Uldred and the other mages turned to blood magic in the first place was because they wanted out of the tower, to be free from Chantry rule. They kept the mages in the tower only to come out when they were needed. As for Meridith, would you let her live? The fact of the matter is that she was sick even before she was corrupted. Take it from the Dalish. Their keepers turn to BMag sometimes, and they don't have incidents like Ferelden

[@Kennyboy0077]

I had romanced Anders, always sided with mages but at the end I just /HAD/ to side with Meredith after Grace etc betrayed me.. Then Anders came back to kill me .-. ..So much for love. :(

[@RandomStreamContentx88-i8u]

The MAKER has guided you all to your DEATHS.

[@ajaaaaaj]

Continuing from my last post: My first playthrough Hawke sided with the mages, but you could make an argument for siding with the Templars in order to make sure the truly innocent mages weren't killed out of hand (especially since that's explicitly an option).

[@ghje100]

I admit Meredith is insane but, the templar do have a purpose, Orsino, Quentin the mage who kills your mother, Grace (growls at that two faced cow) even Anders, all of them deadly, I prefer mages so I can annoy Carver, but I liked that if you dont take him to the deep roads and he becomes a templar, later as you fight Meredith he actually stands up for you (smiles) it's sweet, anyhow like i was saying, Meredith is mad but the templars are doing a good job of their work

[@weslibravo]

Why there was still Sebastian? I thought he has left to Starkhaven. So we can't choose him anymore as an ally

[@Starl00]

@Tommichaeljones1992 She left with the book in Act2, but she came back and i had to duel Arishok for her. According to the epilogue in the video, she stayed with me after the game ended. @ElementXCod Sword is Blade of Mercy, which is gift to Fenris. You can get it from chest during “Best Served Cold” quest.

[@VicGeorge2K6]

Interesting alternate path, though either way Meredith dies learning (or never learning) that you can't mess with the Champion of Kirkwall.

[@baronvonjo1929]

I say mages go to a circle pass the harrowing and are free to stay or leave. And during training are allowed to leave to meet families of they want. I don't know what to do if they cant control their magic. But it's just a thought I had. Since some mages like the circle while some don't.

[@jetfoxproductions]

@Starl00 all mages are cagged and watched by the templars, forced to face a demon and being killed if they fail, then they have blood drawn that i case they want freedom from the circle, they could be tracked down and killed or made tranquil depending on the templar's mood. it's not magic that is corrupt, it is the person that uses magic selfishly that is corrupt. there are mages that do harm but it has nothing to do with being born that way.

[@AughustoCV]

@Michael5029 It's simple: EA wanted two boss fights, one of these two wasn't supposed to happen.

[@JeanBaptisteEmanuelZorg]

This is my favourite version.

[@Yinyangz540]

Do I hear a Dragon Age 3 coming along?

[@id6964]

Haha you did

[@Sonny565]

@Iv83bloodknight The mages all use blood magic and summon demons in the Templar version too.

[@andrews.5212]

Going full templar feels odd... Guess the game hopes you go with the mages.. like in awakening the game points you go and defend vigil.. Personally as soon as Bethany's was in the circle siding with the Templar was out of the question.

[@MisterBlue56]

The very last page in the book is a picture of Morrigan.

[@hune182]

@sandhar95 If you take Bethany with Anders in the party last mission of act one she becomes a gray warden leave her behind she becomes a circle mage instead dont know what happens if you take her with you without anders...Isabella is another character you can get...not sure what circumstances it requires to get her but I just kept heading back once and awhile to the hanged man to get her quest

[@Starl00]

@IsolationInstigation I tend to disagree. Though Kirkwall templars under Meredith went too far, the institution of Circles is necessary. Mages are too dangerous to be allowed to roam unchecked. What happens with Hawke's mother is meant to be the example. And Orsino knew about that, but preferred to keep his mage buddy existance a secret. Hell, if the people with built-in nukes could be born, you wouldn't allow them to just walk the streets. Governments would place them "somewhere safe".

[@nagatopain9]

@Starl00 i see your point, but i dont think mages had to be exiled from society. That will make some of them even more angry. The question is this: ¿they start being a threat because the templars exist or the templar exist because they started becomning a threat? I apologize if you doesn´t understan what i wrote. Im not so good at english

[@SealDude]

not really there are 2 different endings 1 where the templars bow down in respect and one when they back away in fear.. yeah...maybe not big changes but it will probably effect dragon age 3. either hawke will be mentioned/appear as a friend of the templars or a enemy of the templars

[@TheJoshMaster22]

@FenrirTheDevourer To their credit, they were right all along. Orsino was just as insane as Meredith was. What got me on the mage's side was that I wasn't going to let them get screwed over because of the actions of one.

[@lordharkon3584]

I find it sad when the circle had gone rogue and the templars secede from the chantry. After all I've done to restore order between the two of them in origins. I swear if I could bring my Warden to appear in DA2, I would slap the shit everyone of them. Especially Anders.

[@cadetyolo7502]

And thats how the "meat ball" Necromorph was created

[@mariusmitre492]

Meredith looks like a gorgeous old woman, just like Flemeth.

[@FilipH86]

@IsolationInstigation there needs to be some oversight of mages, just look at what Connor did in Dragon Age 1

[@PxChAoS16]

I found it very hard who to side with at the end, i eventually chose templars after about 20 mins of thinking haha

[@weslibravo]

LOL

[@ilima621]

@reapinUsoon When you visit the deep roads you must take Anders with you...he will point you in the direction of the Grey Wardens and they will put her through the Joining ritual.

[@Michael5029]

I went with the mage ending to see what happens when someone goes with templars. Completely taken by surprise. On the mage playthrough Orsino still insists on blending all those bodies together and attacking me even though I helped the stupid fuck. Then I killed Meredith, which I fully intended to do. But in this playthrough, you help the fucking templars, kill the the deranged mages, but then all of a sudden, Meredith out of nowhere wants to kill you? What the fuck Bioware?

[@SephirothsStudent]

To the Deep Roads? No. But Bethany does get taken to the circle if you leave her home on the expedition.

[@1337ijs]

The one thing I don't get about blood magic is why it can't be used for some noble purpose. If you're careful and steadfast, you can get away with using it to pull of some kickass non-possessive spells. Merrill could be half-proof of that. She used blood magic and bargained with a demon to try and help her people. It may have ultimately backfired to various degrees, but that was only because of the demon. So what's the big fuss about blood magic? It cannot be used for good at all?

[@mbbell23]

@xyzme01 Also, if you do take bethany/carver on the expedition, bring anders, then they become Grey Wardens, instead of dying a slow and horrible death lol. You can convince Fenris to fight with you against the templars if you finished his companion quests

[@TheCasualaddict]

@starl00 Well think about it, what is more dangerous? a group of people with freedom or a group of people with resentment who want their freedom. Like anders said, alot of the reason people are turning to blood magic is because they are so frustrated with templars

[@Nexc13]

The problem with Mages in Dragon Age, the second one especially, is that they are terminally self-destructive. Almost every single Mage who escapes or is given even a little freedom turns into a damned Blood Mage or Demon (Most of the time both). Although I find it kind of funny that Bethany and you, if you are a Mage and do not pick Blood Magic, are completely fine. Hawke's - Too sexy for demons ;)

[@maallos334mi8]

I’d argue it’s the lack of training to deal with these threats and the outside world instead of just outlawing, with punishment of death at the Templar’s discretion. It’s the chantry’s own fault and their focus on controlling both it’s prisoners and wardens

[@Scott-ql2kx]

Nope! The vast majority of free mages don't fall to demon possession or use blood magic. It's just the ones who have been repeatedly told they will who tend to do so.

[@gieduckqaz]

I kinda liked the fact that both leaders were fucked up lol I knew something was up!

[@dreman999]

Think about it this way. You are controlling the damage and making sure the templars spare as much as possible.

[@Shadowpack95]

I think that the first thing im going to do in inquisition is romance Cassandra if I can

[@manwiththemachinegun]

Basically, everyone would love the power of a mage, with none of the responsibility, checks and balances. That's why Templars exist.

[@channel45853]

that's why but then they too get corrupted by their legal power

[@ScarsThatProve]

Well, there needs to be a balance. its not necesarrily that the mages are perfect and never do wrong, because like anyone, they can, but that they can enthrall others and can have powers beyond the norm they have to have something to keep them in check. The templars are necessary, but the two groups shouldnt be antagonistic of each other, rather they should work together. Only with mutual cooperation and respect would such a system work.

[@dauntershi]

@Starl00 Good point but there must be a better way than treating mages like crap. Mages are people too and deserve freedom and rights like any other.

[@ringham08]

@Starl00 I couldn't disagree more. To side with fear and paranoia is to side with tyranny and oppression. The Templars made their own monster when they went this far to serve and protect the "people" rather than learn to accept them for what they were. Making them out to be more dangerous than what they were only made them even more dangerous in defense. By all we've seen Blood Magic is no more a danger than a mob of starving and rioting peasants. Even less so since there are so few of them.

[@DaHuntsman1]

@Starl00 i think forcing mages into circles is similar to the enslavement of people because they have darker skin

[@jnowland23]

my guess is that hawke and the warden from origins will fight with the maker or against him in DA3

[@thatguyluke242]

I don't remember the red templars being as difficult to kill as meradith

[@B-rex395]

She’s a knight commander, so she probably has more combat experience than most Templars, red or otherwise. The only red templar that can compare to her is Samson.

[@wouhoulifeisamazing]

So the dialogues are the only differences u_u Sweet. Definitely not their best game.

[@matthewhenry6468]

Why would anyone side with the Templars? I just couldn't bring myself to it!

[@Darthwin1]

***** yeah the fact that most mages in kirkwall were insane blood mages does not help their cause. Though blood magic at its base feels more like a slippery slope of a short cut that allows one to accomplish something they would normally require a lot of lyrium for. The best examples are Merrill when she talked about how she first needed it to cleanse the mirror shard or the first option of using blood magic to enter the fade and confront the demon in redcliff. Though it would also help if Templars eased up a little. Cullen seems to be the right kind of templar. He understands the danger that mages face, but is willing to listen to other people without raving like a madman.

[@rayden54]

Darthwin Wright Cullen comes off much better in this game than in Origins. In Origins he was the one demanding the death of all the mages.

[@Darthwin1]

rayden54 he was not exactly all that sane in that situation since he assumed the player character was an illusion brought by the demons and considering went from having a crush on the female mage character to that after everything that happened in the tower he probably went through a lot.

[@_Seru_]

Because it's the right thing to do. Meredith went insane only because of red lyrium - mages were already evil through their blood magic and this "wonderful" Orsino actually supported the mass murderer who killed Hawke's mother.

[@Adanu191]

@@Darthwin1 Blood magic isn't evil. People are evil.

[@InsanityGames13]

Ohh ok, ive been looking all over for it

[@CBRetro]

I should try and side with the templars just to see what it's like

[@watchinginaz]

@watchinginaz I might eventualy side with the templars in a playthrough where Bethany becomes a Grey Warden or dies in the deep roads although I don't ever see myself killing her off in the Deep Roads. But I won't side with the Templars while she is in the circle, and for playthroughs where I am a mage myself I won't side with the templars.

[@MajorAlenko]

aww I was hoping for more, like seeing hawke becoming the Viscount ect. :((

[@wepepe7603]

The Templars and Circle of Magi are needed. But the Circle could work more as a college to teach the mages control their powers and pass the Harrowing. after that they're released, the phylactery still needed so if the alumni mages gone rogue or doing some blood magic shit the Templars will track them down. The Templars should be the special force to deal with bad mages, not like fishing for mage.

[@Bingcrusher]

im sure thats the hawke estate at the end when the seeker's are leaving

[@SOAD232]

Read Dragon Age asunder by David Gaider for more information about Mage vs Templar. Its a rich story with Wynne, Leliana, Shale + new char that is bound for Dragon age inqusition

[@streaklyern]

so even as a warrior the champion sticks a dagger into things's heads, why do i start to think the default was always a rogue and not a warrior?

[@moxalis]

@Engeven Agreed.. Nothing compared to the choices you had to do in DAO. The whole story is forced on you here. Not that it's a bad story, but still :P I also noticed one other thing, i was romancing both Merrill and Isabela, and in the end where Varric says "we had to leave the champion's side except for Isabela" in my case he said both names.. xD That was a bit of a fail..

[@youwinoneinternets]

Though I haven't read through all of the codex, is there any law in the game lore that doesn't allow mages to leave for Tevinter instead of joining the circle? If there's no law against it you would think Templars would at least just offer mages the chance to be escorted out of their territory into the Imperium >.>

[@Frostyflakes-xd8jh]

Huh dragon age 2 is a prelude to dragon age inquisition, just like how the “forged alliances” group of flash points are a prelude to shadow of revenge in swtor.

[@Frostyflakes-xd8jh]

Revan*

[@_Combat_Wombat]

@DrDarkheart It's really not so much the size, but the glowing, the overwrought design and the abnormal pointiness. It just looks silly, not awe-inspiring.

[@mbbell23]

@MW2Producting yeah we gotta wait for more downloadable content to come out :(