Dragon Ball Daima looks nice (ep.2)

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Mb for getting this one out so late. Had a lot of personal stuff happen this week, but all g now.

[@BikiniLongjarhorn]

Bro literary said jujutsu kaisen is better😢

[@orbboom6119]

No worries g🗿👍

[@srensen9948sander]

Can you tell us why blue locks season 2 animation ended up this tragic

[@azimulhoque1497]

Lowkey really love how slow this series has been. It's genuinely so nice to see a DragonBall anime take its time.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

yeah it is a fun change of pace!

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

I actually like it that way. I think expanding on the demon realm was the right move as I wanna know more of the lore. Not that Super’s lore is not interesting but Daima’s had me intrigued ASAP

[@ryanrenolds3974]

Wdym, the dbz anime was extremely slow paced and full of filler. They stretched that shit out so much so that they wouldn't catch up with the manga. I'd actually argue that every mainline DragonBall anime has been slow paced and that this is just the status quo lmao.

[@HirasSketches]

Y'all be complaining about filler at the same time too ☠️

[@Randomergoesbrrrr]

​@@ryanrenolds3974but we're obviously not talking about filler, we're talking as if daima was a manga (for example obv) like three page into it you already see raditz while in daima it would be at like chapter 3 that the action starts

[@fnnnn5986]

I liked seeing ForgottenRelics dissecting anime openings.

[@FirithPanda]

People weren't ready for Kid Roshi

[@specialnewb9821]

@@FirithPanda Saitamasennin.

[@DivineMike379]

he gonna take advantage of that whilst he can, good to feel young again.

[@Jay_Rodimus]

The ending really hit me hard today with how it feels like a Toriyama tribute. More on the nose stuff like the feather and bird imagery (as pointed out by AnimeAjay) and also the lyrics mentioning mountains and birds, and the last few lyrics just kill me "I hear it always, your voice in my heart 'You know that we're never alone'"

[@kaiser4941]

The feather motif in both the opening and the ending are a tribute to Toriyama himself Tori - Bird - Bird Studio, y'know The ending even ends with a giant bird going into the light symbolizing his passing

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

Ngl, the outro got me emotional on the first watch. That was a bittersweet tribute to Akira Toriyama

[@jeffersonb.rodriguez]

The opening is a piece of art, first time sounds weird, but it hits hard quicker than expected

[@forgottenrelics1197]

yeah the opening song has grown on me

[@notminijer1121]

Damn it really hit me how awesome and cleanly you present all the information in your videos (ex: when showing the KA's for the scene) You've really improved so much over the years keep up the great work!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thank ya! thats mean a lot

[@yeepsleep]

Yo man just wanted to say I'm so glad this channel exists and that you continue to make such great content. Been following you for about 5 years and it's one of the channels I don't take for granted on KZbin. I appreciate that you go into so much detail in a way that is entertaining both for casual fans and for animators / animation enthusiasts alike, and that you even make sure to explain / clarify technical terms and techniques that would probably go over most casuals' heads. These qualities make for the best kinds of videos on KZbin. Thank you for what you do.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thanks for sticking around for so long man and the encouraging words. it's definitely appreciated!

[@mesieurt2]

Amazing analysis of art and framework. This is the first video of yours ive seen but its so well put together i subscribed right away

[@milicabojic9434]

"Strike while the iron is hot" ahh video

[@forgottenrelics1197]

for real

[@leliasme6021]

What does that even mean? 😭😭

[@heliumpai7627]

We may never know 😞​@@leliasme6021

[@diegonieves3157]

Episode 3 today was absolutely outstanding

[@forgottenrelics1197]

for sure, doin a video on it rn!

[@RonPaul42069]

0:10 I have no idea what these images are supposed to convey

[@forgottenrelics1197]

if im being real i don't either Ron

[@curveball1]

supposedly slight dissapointment

[@metalspalace]

one of the best channels on youtube man fr

[@animesoundaffects5915]

I can certainly see what you mean with the opening compared to other anime personally I kind of prefer the more laid-back toned the opening has along with its animation like don’t get me wrong I’m sure that a lot of work was put into those other openings but at least for me they’re a little bit too active for my taste much like some of the more crazier animation in those other shows like I said I know a lot of work was put into making that animation Look as crazy as it is but my heart will always lean more towards the classic Kanada style movement, action, and character acting X3

[@PatLund]

I like how chill the Dragon Ball Daima opening theme is.

[@stefenlunn113]

The animation on those buns had me feeling a certain kind of hungry 11:08

[@philswift8793]

I'm afraid I can't relate to the apathy of the opening. It had me tearing up. It felt soft and playful yet energetic and playful. Its an opening for a series about goofy lil guy Goku going on an adventure with some pals, old and new. It was mirthful and upbeat and earnest. Perfert vibe for the series so far. This isn't dimensional shattering tribal space opera Broly, or bombastic heroic comic book riot Superhero. It's a celebration of adventure and fun Dragon Ball started out as.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

that totally valid, as i said it'll probably grown on me with time and i can totally understand why it struck a chord with many

[@specialnewb9821]

Nah I love the intro. Sit back relax and bop gently to the memories of all the fun we've had over the years while seeing all our mains hanging out like a JRPG party. How long has it been since Piccolo and Bulma went on a long adventure? Are Bulma and Pansy gonna be besties? Goku and Veg battling then accidently colliding and fightin each other. Its more about the themes than the visuals though the flying islands are perfecf.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

There's definitely a lot of charm to it. Its one of those openings for me that I become more attached to over time.

[@specialnewb9821]

​@forgottenrelics1197 also thanks for pointing out Ryo Onishi. As you know (lol) I don't like a lot of loose smeared movement but his stuff I really enjoy, I think he goes right up to the line between detail and movement so I got enjoy someone I didn't know about before. In fact I think his style would be perfect for the final fight against Planet Moro with all the arms flying around. Thanks again!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@specialnewb9821 all ggggg

[@weirddeck4193]

8:10 maybe the flame effect is referencing the first time we see the kamehameha wave.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

The fuckin taco bell ding when talking about Piccolo KILLED me.

[@DanielBakerFoster]

Great video!

[@mellowmelly9258]

i'm not sure if i'm overthinking it, but i think at 2:50, when Goku and Vegeta are playing rock paper scissors, Goku is holding it low and further back, like a Kamehameha, while Vegeta is holding it higher and to the side, like a Galick Gun !!

[@Soapman18]

I just enjoy it, Ion wanna delve in it too much. Its Toriyama's last gift for us, so I'll just enjoy everything given to us.

[@navi7402]

10:44 this must be Yuichi Karasawa I think, I recognize those weird ass rotations in the characters 😤

[@forgottenrelics1197]

could be right. never noticed that

[@dragonballhaven1417]

Great Video

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thank you!

[@elborrego4916]

3:44 Noisy Ninjas Show I think that's how Saban could've imported Naruto for USA audiences if the anime was released in the early 90's

[@rubver6980]

I love the animation but don’t really fw the opening music, the Jan Jaka Jan part is the only part I really like cuz it’s quickly become iconic for Daima

[@warriorheart1112]

Bardock Special mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@Dogflamingo]

14:23 Vegeta you are NOT superman lil bro 🙏🙏

[@nightlydata2181]

Next ep has some actual action to dip into so that'll def be the meat of that vid. Also the intro feels so DB yet so unique at the same time. I really do feel next to ALL eras in it & it prob took some cues in the jrpg inspiration Tori is puttin in this series. I loved it visually & the song is so wonderful & puts it all together so neat. Similar wit the ED. I'm never skippin these on my life idc lol. I'm the half that never forgot the bardock special lol. Maybe the storyboards could have more flair but all elements R at least consistently solid & no real hiccups. It's jus nice & chill so far. It'll prob do somethin more by ep 4 or 5. Best to save wut they got for that which makes sense

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yea keen to touch on ep 3!

[@DAVEREVIEWS-MOVIES]

Good stuff when I reviewed it, it was more of giving us context or information but I enjoyed it a lot and the animation is still good but what about one piece fan letter

[@curveball1]

are we gonna get one of these for every episode?

[@JoeStinker-ip9mr]

Mob psycho referenced good video

[@vonigner]

My only nitpick is the CGI textures on those 3D landscapes, the textures... really :-|

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thats fair

[@rpt2369]

@5:39 Vegeta vs Gohan(baby infected) 😊

[@forgottenrelics1197]

my bad. can't believe i confused them

[@NotTheWheel]

lol You're a real animation nerd so I think it's fine the OP left much to be desired in that respect

[@Hedgehogboy-wx4ly]

Honestly, yeah, this is certainly limited compared to last episode especially in the second half, but even so at least for me The extra subtle bits of animation like hair movement or even some of the nice angles despite the standard storyboard makes it a pretty enjoyable episode for me and if this is the standard animated daima episodes, until bigger animated action heavy episodes, I’ll certainly be OK with that. I actually found the limited animation here a little charming. Like they wanna make sure that this is a more laid-back episode to save time for more important episodes, but they still wanna add a little bit of extra touches to make the characters still feel alive kind of reminds me of early Wano arc before they started having crazy web gen animators X3

[@forgottenrelics1197]

yeah it definitely wasn't a negative. still visually appealing overall

[@Cloudx0x]

Yeah. I'd never forget about Ryo Onishi. Why talk about Naotoshi Shida's(no disrespect to him) when we can talk about Onishi's animation? Yeah, Ryo Onishi guy😂

[@werewolfmiller2625]

Do you think that Yashima storyboard condemns the series and does not get the maximum potential out of the staff?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I don't think it condemns it, he's not a bad storyboard artist and I liked his work in ep 1. But yeah, I can't exactly say its a huge positive either. Really do hope for some of the big action scenes to be boarded by someone else personally

[@MisterGort]

JAAN JAKA JAAN 🗣🗣🗣🎼🎵🎶

[@forgottenrelics1197]

[@solty_]

so slightly unrelated question, but what are your thoughts on Yashima boarding every episode so far? Do you think he'll SB every episode because that's a bit worrying if so

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Honestly still undecided. The recent one especially was nice. But when it comes to the more important episodes I would prefer someone else. I just don't feel he would be able to give the gravitas to the more serious moments. But hey I'm happy to be proven wrong. In regards to storyboarding every episode? I mean he is extremely quick at drawing and it isn't totally unheard of for the series director to storyboard a whole season (Ping Pong the animation), but if this series is gonna go past 20 episodes I just can't see it. Unless the storyboard role is later split between two people for future ep's, like one half for ex. might be boarded by an action specialist while everything outside that is boarded by Yashima.

[@turbotrup96]

12:43 like Early Goku in Sparking Zero...

[@ginogatash4030]

Honestly I feel hair can look a bit overly floppy in that game, and some animations in cutscenes look weirdly mocap like which is weird for DragonBall.

[@turbotrup96]

@@ginogatash4030 Yeah, it doesn't catch the vibe of the series, and japanese devs have been more aggressively using mocap in Anime games since about a console generation earlier, even in stuff like Berserk... I guess they're trying to cut time/resources since it's easier to make someone pose than to animate them by hand, I guess.

[@ginogatash4030]

@@turbotrup96 at least Berserk is kinda realistic-ish looking so it's not as jarring, but mocap for DragonBall looks fucked.

[@turbotrup96]

@@ginogatash4030 I get what you mean, but I disagree, because japanese people often exaggerate their movement to look more dramatic, jumpy. Now combine that with Guts who has a giant, heavy sword on his back, and wears armor...

[@ginogatash4030]

@@turbotrup96 I think that depends on the directing of the actors tho, there's Japanese games with more subdued realistic movement, and still my point was just that mocap for Berserk was better suited compared to something as stylized as dragon ball since Berserk is at least relatively more realistic looking, I think mocap animation would still need tweaks to look right, but seeing Guts move like a real person is still less jarring than Goku.

[@Gaming_Hub_UK]

Really good video, yes some parts did feel stiff at times as you mentioned with the lack of movement in Gokū's hair despite Takahashi being one of many who actually does put alot into those details. Overall I also loved Glorio's introduction with the camera spinning from bottom to top, very Takahashi and builds up this mysterious feel you have with him as he is this "keep to self" attitude.

[@MetaITurtle]

Do you think the animation is much better in this series because the fans complained how bad the animation was for super?

[@garka6135]

1 week late to speak about the episode

[@forgottenrelics1197]

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[@genos2545]

Are you a halo fan by any chance? You’ve used music from it a couple of times so I would guess so lol

[@forgottenrelics1197]

for sureee. massive part of my childhood. in some of my old "subscriber special videos" i had some halo 3 and reach gameplay in the background

[@genos2545]

@@forgottenrelics1197 that’s awesome lol. I know it’s a big franchise and it has many fans but it’s always nice seeing halo fans in the wild. Especially ones that have other similar interests.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@genos2545 definitely man. this channel was originally meant to be a gaming channel funny enough. would still like do some Halo related content one day

[@genos2545]

@@forgottenrelics1197 if you do halo content I would most definitely watch.

[@HandOn-c40009]

I find the opening pretty good, it's representative of the tone of the show going for Also someone remember blue dragon show, good stuff

[@turbotrup96]

Regarding the Opening - what was a chance that people would be negative about it? Like, really? -new Dragon Ball content; -a mainstream franchise; -people love to be toxically positive (which isn't considered toxic, but it is); -they will eat anything up that's been in works before Toriyama's death; -they will eat anything up that Toriyama has been working on before his death.

[@specialnewb9821]

@@turbotrup96 jaka jaan is really catchy

[@whiten4635]

Or hear me put jaka jaan is actually a really good open regardless of whether toriyama is alive or not, as it had a catchy tune that's worth listening to, and nice visual that keeps the opening very engaging with a lot of symbolism that acts as foreshadow to upcoming episodes, just as a a good opening should. People ain't blindly praising the opening or daima for fact that akirs toriyama died, or he worked on it. Peoplw are praising because it's good.

[@turbotrup96]

@@specialnewb9821 the chorus is pretty dope, the rest of the op is pretty generic, especially the visuals.

[@zekken8227]

100% feel you on the opening. But maybe who knows maybe theyll change OP after 12 episodes

[@garka6135]

It didn't had demon slayer animation you lied

[@forgottenrelics1197]

never said it would

[@mechajay3358]

1:18 Hot take, but I also kinda agree. Its a fine OP but it's not one that makes me want to go back to it.

[@mategido]

I don't really dig everyone being a kid

[@garka6135]

Is official Toei onlu cares about one piece and the only thing that looked cool in the trailer it was Goku in super saiyan

[@FlocksFigs]

Glad I am not the only one who finds the opening alright. Sure it has some good animation. But it does not hype me up for the episode itself. While I appreciate all the hard work that went into it. It is not a top 3.

[@liggerstuxin1]

Nitpick much?

[@jasonone8726]

Not trying to be negative, but a lot of us forget that Super looked nice in those first 3 episodes, and then episode 5 happened. I just don't wanna jump the gun again. It's only been 3 episodes so far.

[@arian6565]

What kind of super were you watching?😂 This is leagues above super's animation

[@jasonone8726]

@arian6565 Dude, re-read my comment. I said Super looked nice in the first couple of episodes, until episode 5. My fear is that Daima's animation and art will go downhill later on, as we've only had 3 episodes. This was nothing about what show looked better.

[@Waqas_Khan02]

I agreed I do fear about this. Any show have good episodes in the start then things changes after 5 or 10 episodes.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@jasonone8726 The main difference is that Super had just a few months of pre production while with Daima its been years. Daima is the polar opposite of Super's production in all the right ways. Yeah there might bit some slight dips in quality considering its projected length but it will never reach RoF tier

[@ginogatash4030]

That seems kinda pessimistic for no reason, like for one Super was extremely rushed and was made weekly while this series seems to adopt the modern anime season format, or at least it had much more work put into preproduction before releasing episodes. Some episodes will definitely be less animated than others but that's to be expected in any series, and it's unlikely to ever reach the lows of early Super, and while that series had some decent looking episodes till 5 happened they really didn't have anything crazy like the reanimated Buu arc flashbacks of episode 1 of Daima, and certainly not any episodes that packed with Sakuga action and character acting stuff.

[@mathieul4303]

Visuals are good but story so far is iffy. I don’t like what they did with Goku in the latest episode too.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

curious as to what aspect that is. like is it just the way Goku's written or something deeper?

[@liggerstuxin1]

Too child oriented

[@garka6135]

The one piece fan letter episode demolish this "demin slayer level animation" series 🥱🥱