Dragon Ball Fans Are THIS DUMB?

#DragonBallZ #DragonBallSuper #Goku
The title says it all. You wouldn't believe what dragon ball fans invented about Future Goku and Future Gohan. Specifically, this is regarding what happened to future Goku in the afterlife.

[@Eric6761]

Shut up, Don't mess with us Dragon ball fans, we believe in everything, now let me coment how Kid Buu is stronger

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Then fat Buu but will never be stronger then super Buu or ssj3 goku

[@BrianAwesome]

Don't forget that Z Broly can beat Vegetto, Ssj4 Goku, and Beerus.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@BrianAwesome you forget z Broly is stronger super janemba and Hirudegarn but not Hatchiyack

[@Eric6761]

@averageyoutuber3757 thanks

[@Eric6761]

@averageyoutuber3757 yes, i learned

[@freshlysqueezed4505]

As a Dragon Ball fan, I can confirm that we really are THAT dumb.

[@boigaming5861]

True

[@Douio]

Don't say "we" idk where this "we" thing is. I've been chilling

[@Chillguy5o]

​@@Douio he said it right the first time, we

[@ediakin4993]

​@@Douioanother stupid fan

[@Alienldr]

That's the thing. A lot of people don't come up with a conclusion based on evidence. They like to come up with a conclusion first, and then find evidence to back it up later. We shouldn't do the latter because evidence that proves it wrong is often missed or straight up ignored.

[@wreday720]

I just want you to know that this is some real sage advice here, applicable to many things in life, thanks for sharing this. In a Dragonball video of all places too lmao

[@memebrain2177]

Basically an agenda

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Not being able to read has been their greatest weakness.

[@Eric6761]

Dragon ball fans or yugioh players?

[@Dandyman69]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Dandyman69]

@@Eric6761👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@mdxque8393]

Simply put… Goku needed to stay dead so we could have a future Trunks timeline and future Cell timeline.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

So the story can continue for ever and ever

[@AsgUnlimited]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Are you making the argument DBZ should have ended after Frieza? Lol.

[@angelcarrasco7801]

@@AsgUnlimitedit think he is lmao 😂

[@criticalfists87]

​@@AsgUnlimitedit really should've

[@Black_Knight_-BK-]

@@criticalfists87 Didnt Toriyama plan on ending DBZ at the Frieza Saga with Goku killing Frieza, then dying and cementing himself as the strongest in the universe?

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

The Dragon Ball fandom is full of so much bs head canon

[@2much4ujo]

^

[@Aryan_Aran]

What bs head canon? And are you talking about all of bd fandom?

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

@@Aryan_Aran There's so much bs head canon from this fandom

[@Aryan_Aran]

@@Mandalore_ultimate all of the fandom? And what bs? be specific

[@evrettej]

I agree. There are a lot of newbies that are clueless.

[@GojiBoiEarth1964]

Find it funny how it seems DB haters watch the show more than actual DB fans 💀💀💀

[@somechupacabrawithinternet8866]

so that's the fandom becomes bad...the haters become the fans and do bad stuff.....

[@Dandyman69]

@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 please speak English

[@TheOPdog]

​@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866bro why read the manga they don't know shit about the manga and they love to yap

[@TheOPdog]

Bro we aren't hater it's just the dragon fans that we hate they are really dumb

[@TrueNomadSkies]

This is the first I've heard of the "no body" theory. It's so strange. My headcanon always was that in the future timeline, other things happened to separate those like Baba and King Kai and the other fighters from having a spiritual connection to Earth like we've been accustom to in these stories. At the same time, the Namekians also couldn't help or weren't aware of things, the time chamber was destroyed, and that timeline/world really was destine to be hella fucked all along.

[@shawnsouth327]

Honestly I think the androids killed baba it’s completely plausible

[@DSan-kl2yc]

I came up with it independently during a discussion where people were saying it was a plot hole. People were arguing why didn't the warriors help. Like you said, kaiosama probably wasn't aware of it. The others probably didn't get bodies. And it's possible even Goku didn't get a body, and was simply reincarnated. Goku contacts them after he died and tells them how he's getting to keep a body. The idea he gets a body in future trunks is itself an assumption based on him keeping it in the cell saga. But he died differently. There's ambiguity but he says it's because he saved earth. Which he didn't in the way he died naturally. Only other time he saved earth after raditz was Vegeta, wherein he didn't die.

[@kevinfromsales9445]

The truth is that no matter how stupid and outright impossible Toriyama's plot holes and retcons really are, Dragon Ball fans are always ready to make up new theories and lame explanations just to defend their favorite show and especially Goku despite how much of an idiot the guy has regressed into.

[@TrueNomadSkies]

@@kevinfromsales9445 yep. It's what we do :)

[@raulrojas9253]

the time chamber didnt exist until Goku introcuded everyone to it, it just didnt exist when the story was being written. Remember Z has way too many Retcons.

[@MARXX28K]

As they say, “don’t fuck with dragon ball fans, they haven’t even watched the show”

[@PraiseTheWord]

I watched 26 episodes of dragon ball z and left it after that. It was just boring

[@DrDrizzy-u8g]

@@PraiseTheWord of course but if it were a different anime it would be different opinion

[@johnnycage112]

Are we this dumb? OF COURSE! *M Bison voice *

[@xamhehehe7888]

Hasn't anyone put together the possibility that maybe Baba was dead in the future timeline? Possibly one of the many casualties that were killed off? Yes this is theoretical, but this would make a lot more sense if this were the case.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

No

[@xamhehehe7888]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Why not?

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@xamhehehe7888 idk why hasn't Toriyama said that, it's a possibility and would actually make sense if like babe was killed because the androids went after Master Roshi or something

[@xamhehehe7888]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD We only saw one appearance from Master roshi in the movie version of History of Trunks. But baba is unknown whether she's dead or not. She doesn't have to be with her brother to be dead. It can be just a matter of wrong place wrong time having her die amongst the many casualties. Remember a lot of people died in the future timeline. We know Korn is dead as well. So the possibility is not off the table. If Toriyama wanted to write a story, where in this timeline.... "if you die, you're not coming back" Then the possibility is high that she's dead.

[@YS9136]

Funny enough, she and mr. Satan are the only two characters that never died in the franchise. At least not in an unnatural way in the end. Baba can travel to the other world for some reason to escape if needed...

[@Steckdose_]

That's the reason why I feel no Empathy towards the Future Timeline at all. There are multiple simple solutions to their Problem after Goku's death but they just ignored all of them. And half of that has to do with King Kai apparently becoming an asshole as well. You know Goku telling Gohan about the Time Chamber and giving him advice on how to become stronger via King Kai or King Kai communicating with the Namekians to use their Dragonballs to bring back the Z-Fighters. Baba Resurrecting Piccolo so he can Fuse with Kami and beat them (If the Future Androids actually are weaker like Trunks assumes).

[@slicklink9131]

As a dragon ball z fan I wasn't really aware that the other dragon ball fans went with that theory of future goku didn't have his body in the after life cause all I've known that goku only kept his body cause the ones who kept their body in the afterlife was because only the most heroic of people get to keep their body but that also leads to the weird evidence that alot of the villains of hell still have their body cause we see perfect cell, the ginyu force, frieza, and king cold still have their bodies including some other villains in hell

[@matthewdancz9152]

The dragon balls are ultimately just a cheap plot fixer whenever Toriyama decides dragon ball needs a reset.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Anyone Remember people saying King Cold knocked out Super Saiyan 3 with one punch

[@evrettej]

That's hilarious

[@Grandpa-Sage]

Bro wtf 😂😂😂

[@PyroTheRabbit]

Yeah and that Zarbon and Didoria were revived while goku fought frieza on namek

[@zekekillah]

Im the smartest there is The simple answer is..... Toriyama is a shit writer 100% he never thinks ahead or about plot holes he creates within his own story, his own fucken arc He never stops to think "but why????"

[@ediakin4993]

You are absolutely wrong. Toriyama wanted to end it all on a frieza, but his editors were constantly adjusting and correcting ideas on the fly. They only added Cell because they didn't like 17 and 18, and they were added because 20 and 19 weren't impressive in the editor's opinion. Toriyama also changed Cell's shapes on the fly because the editor still didn't like it.

[@EmeralBookwise]

The better explanation that I've seen floated around elsewhere is that simply put the dead aren't supposed to interfere with the world of the living, especially not by killing anyone who is still alive. So simply put, not even using Baba's day pass would Goku been allowed to come back to fight the androids. Vegeta being sent back to fight Buu was only due to the universal threat of that enemy, but the androids, they were only a threat to a single planet, and weren't even killing people all that fast, seeing as even a decade on there were still functional cities of people going about their daily lives. That said, it's entirely possible that Goku broke those rules on at least one occasion, much like he did in the Bojack movie, but it might very likely have been something he was only able to get away with once, teleporting in for only the briefest instant to save Gohan's life at a single crucial moment.

[@HotFootBunny]

Goku was able to fight Buu, Majin Vegeta,.and even threaten a Kai when he came back with baba, even if we use the non Canon Bojack unbound Goku could easily help out with advice from King Kai, He could use his Instant transmission to locate planet namek (not teleport there but just locate it) and give The details to Bulma who could easily wip up a ship Edit: Baba was also able to do the same to Frieza who was in hell as well, and Frieza was allowed to kill many weak assassins before heading to the tournament of power and even almost betray Universe 7 so either the rules are ridiculously lose or the theory falls flat on its face

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@HotFootBunny: Yes, Goku, fought Buu, Vegeta, etc., but none of that was the reason he returned, they were just events he got caught up in while on his day pass. And, yes, maybe Goku could have helped Gohan from the afterlife without even needing a day pass, such as locating Namek or even just telling him about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, but that's only assuming King Kai would be willing to relay those messages, which he might not be on those whole grounds of the dead not being meant to interfere with the living outside of extreme circumstances. As for Frieza and the Tournament of Power, that's another case of an exception to the normal rules being made because the entire universe was in peril.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

This idea is worst because it's based on nothing. A made up rule that we already know isn't true.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

​@@EmeralBookwise you see how you have to make up rules . At least the possibility of Goku not having a body is based on how the manga actually works. What you've said is based on nothing. It's a much worst, more fanfiction, headcanon explanation. It's so much worst. I don't get why'd you think it's better honestly. The distinction by how Goku died and how he contacted them are the known differences, and what he says. Both are headcanon. But between both possibilities, yours shouldn't even be considered yet. Not until we learn of any such rule. Either Goku is unaware. Or he went through the cycle normally. The distinction and his explanation are all we know. It's ambiguous but Goku says it's about how he saved earth and stuff after he died. He died not saving earth in alt timeline. He did save it with Vegeta. And anything before raditz doesn't count because we have a different explanation with Kami's intercession. Though Goku's deeds do allow kami to do it something maybe.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@DSan-kl2yc: It's just as much making up rules to say that somehow dying from a virus would cancle out the multiple times Goku saved the entire earth from first Piccolo and then the Saiyans, not to mention saved countless other worlds by killing Frieza. The Dragon Ball afterlife is not Valhala. Getting to keep the body is a reward for heroism in life, not just dying some arbitrarily glorious death in battle. Besides, there actually is precedent for Goku willingly choosing not to interfere, or at least to limit his interference while dead. As we see later in the Buu arc, he initially only uses SS3 to distract Buu, believing it better to let Goten and Trunk (a pair of literal children) become earth's new protectors. Heck, before that, even a living Goku stood by and watched as Cell nearly killed Gohan, because he entirely misunderstood that Gohan didn't enjoy fighting. Most of all though, we actually don't have to make up any rules at all, because going back to the first point. Goku died from a virus before the androids ever appeared. He actually has no way of knowing what is happening on Earth unless someone like King Kai or Baba tells him. It's actually entirely possible that in the Trunks' timeline, Goku is training in heaven, blissfully unaware of all the suffering happening on the Earth.

[@Sonic2ist]

Shoutout to future King kai for helping nobody in the future despite 17 years of earthlings getting destroyed. Including the son of his star pupil.

[@Omega_1998_]

CONSENSUS: As a Dragon Ball fan,some but not of all us are smarter than others. MAJOR STATEMENT: Smart Dragon Ball fans make wise decisions,but those decisions depend on the perspectives of others and are debatable. EXAMPLE: We fans don't consider Super canon (not because the change in the art design) because they made Goku and Vegeta retarded idiots for the sake of comedy,and made Android 17 compete against gods.

[@Cyggdrasil]

I think Goku did keep his body, but due to dying of natural causes he was ordered not to interfere with those on earth as a result. In regards DBS's Spirit Sword i think Trunks did learn about the Spirit Bomb technique from Goku when he was training with Supreme Kai Shin as that is the only thing i can think of to corollate with Trunks using Spirit Sword on Fused Zamasu.

[@djspit8929]

Qaaman..bro. you know the addage, they even said it in bloodborne. "We are made men by the blood, undone by the blood, our eyes are yet to open....dragonball fans have never read the manga/watched the anime" its a huge lore point bro

[@Hei_Darkfire]

"Lets bet that there's gonna be some jack@$$ that's gonna write an entire essay that's gonna debunk everything I'm trying to say in this video." I feel called out.

[@ravensmansand8285]

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[@Taplone]

How could he think like that?

[@yamchagodofdestruction6327]

Noooo 😂

[@codemonkeyslikeme]

You and mike are whats holding this community up. The real OGs

[@QaamansLand]

Your comment really means a lot my friend

[@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit]

You mean the guy that makes 30 minute videos on something he already proved in a 15 minute one? Edit: He even made an HOUR long video on if Android Saga Piccolo could beat Android Saga Trunks, when he pretty much only needs two statements to come to that conclusion.

[@Warriorbob-im5py]

I thought this when I was younger too. When I watched the other world tournament saga it was said of otherwise heavily implied that fighters had to die in battle to keep their bodies. I realize now that that’s not the case.

[@drcjtonkin]

Also Future timeline was created before the idea that goku could even come back to earth so it’s just because the idea of being able to come back to earth wasn’t an idea in Toriamas head

[@CosmicGoku529]

Fan theory coming in: Maybe the reason Goku never came back in the Future Timeline is he didn't earn that one day back like he did in the main timeline. Remember in the main one he sacrificed himself to stop Cell from blowing up the Earth. In the future timeline he didn't do that because he died.

[@QaamansLand]

Seriously?

[@CosmicGoku529]

@@QaamansLand Hey I said it was a theory. And a really weak one at that. But at least it would explain why Goku never got his 1 day back.

[@ferrucciocaracciuolo8139]

Damm this could have been prevented if Goku had given Gohan King kai phone number.

[@GojiBoiEarth1964]

Hmm what does this video title say? (I can’t read)

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I saw yesterday someone asked if ultimate Gohan and Goku had fuse with the potara earrings instead of Vegeta in the Buu saga would they be able to beat super Buu/buutenks 😮‍💨

[@Aryan_Aran]

What did you answer? 😂

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@Aryan_Aran yes I did.

[@Aryan_Aran]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD what though?

[@TheBillhs]

well remember the average db fan's knowledge comes from watching z on tv as a kid on their regional dub and then skipping the original dragonball,playing a couple of games and watching dbs shorts and tinfoil hat theory videos on youtube so..

[@Skeezox]

DragonBall fan base is worse to deal with then getting 5 atomic bombs dropped on your head.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The only reason I can see why Goku didn't reach out to future Gohan and trunks was because he died of a so called naturel cause instead of being killed and wasn't allowed to keep his body

[@n0cturnalravenf0rest]

u didn’t watch the full video before commenting did u

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@n0cturnalravenf0rest no need to it's just another plot whole which the cell saga is full of

[@mrtimo3822]

How are you a member and you don't even pay attention? Lol

[@StevenJones851]

​@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODyeah its a big plot hole

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@mrtimo3822 how are you a dumbass and say dumb ass shit

[@Starkstar502]

Maybe Goku and friends believe that Gohan and Trunks can do this on their own, or maybe they did know about the one day pass, and they needed to first in order to stand a chance against the androids.

[@johnathanrichardson]

they knew about the one day pass. bulma was there in the OG dragon ball when it was revealed goku was fighting grandpa gohan on his one day pass. plus goku could always just use king kai to call up baba himself and ask to use it. after all, how did he arrange it in the buu arc without his friends knowing?

[@mrwhite2039]

Let's face it, toriyama sucks at keeping the continuity.

[@prinzludwig8052]

DBS fans don't even know what canon is, they think canon means "Akira Toriyama was there" but that's just not how canon is created xD With canon there can be no contradiction in the story, but DBS contradicts the manga "Dragon Ball" because that 5 years where Bulma and Son Goku have not seen each other have been exceeded at DBS. There is and never has been canon in Dragon Ball, neither Akira Toriyama nor Toei Animation have ever canonized Dragon Ball.

[@alieucamara8525]

Could you do a what if video about Goten being born and raised in the future timeline cause I think a lot of shit would’ve been much different had he been around with Gohan and Trunks

[@godemperorofmankind3.091]

well the biggest one is Goten comes back through time alongside Trunks. if so, they have an extra super saiyan to put into the ROSAT. if he goes in with goku for goku's second year (which he didnt use because he thought gohan alone would be enough, but he'd still want his second son to be as strong as possible i would think), then goten might have flown in to help his elder brother as gohan starts losing, meaning Cell might have lost and died before he even became super perfect.

[@Eric-gp3hi]

Thank you Qaaman Your one of the best Dragonball KZbinrs on KZbin. Future Goku and the other Z fighters would have definitely helped Future Gohan and Future Trunks against Future Android 17 and Future Android 18 he just didn’t right it in the story!

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Yeah it's just a plot whole

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Except they didn't. So no they wouldn't. If they would if they could. That means they couldn't. If they couldn't, why not. The other ones died and didn't get bodies. Goku died of natural causes peacefully and no in a heroic way. Qaaman made up the idea that it's based on karma when the manga says it's about how he died* Specifically Goku says how he "saved the Earth and stuff".

[@kapayasiame3632]

It was for plot convenience. So it’s up to the fans as usual to come up with their own reasons for why that was the case. As the author wouldn’t.

[@jessicastoker8932]

As a DragonBall superfan, I've literally never heard this argument, and it makes me happy that I haven't. To be clear, DragonBall is very cool. And it also has some of the worst writing in the history of the shonen genre. Why didn't Goku interfere in the future timeline, but he DID interfere in the prime timeline? Because manga are traditionally written on the fly, and I genuinely doubt Toriyama had anything in mind about ever having dead character affect the living world in any way - essentially pulling it out of his ass when he thought it was cool or clever or whatever. Why doesn't Baba EVER bring back any character's for a single day? You're telling me that literally only Goku, or his Grandfather, are the only people who have EVER been worth resurrecting for a short time? Or with Vegeta coming back - you're telling me there was always an option to be like, "Screw it, we can reverse death"? No - Toriyama just made shit up as he went. Any fan looking for consistency is very passionate about a series who's creator was incredibly fickle and honestly didn't care too much about his own continuity, consistency, and overarching fiction. What happened to all the animal people in the DragonBall universe? Why are they all gone? What happened to Goku's latent psychic potential he had at upon reaching Namek? There's literally HUNDREDS of inconsistencies that range from "that affects the entire story" to "that's really funny because this JUST happened, and you're saying it happened differently now." Why doesn't Goku help? Because in the future timeline, it was, what? 3 years later that the Android attacked? Goku would have died of natural causes, had no idea any new threat was looming, and would have gone off to do whatever the fuck he wanted in the afterlife, probably fighting and training and having new silly adventures - and not ONCE would he have known what was going on. "But King Kai-" King Kai doesn't give a shit. He ONLY cared about what Goku was doing because Goku was his pupil. That's assuming Goku went back to hang out with King Kai when he died in the future - he could easily have done an unlimited number of other things. If you want to try and come up with a reason as to why things happened a certain way, at least start from the beginning when you're looking for motive and reasoning... and also, Toriyama sucks at writing, so just assume that when he says, "A Super Saiyan only appears every 1000 years," and then suddenly there are 4 of them, you just ignore it and smile.

[@arkadiuszjandylewski152]

The Legendary Super Sayian only appears once every 1000 years. Goku and other Sayians are ordinary Super Sayians. Not one of them is the Legendary Super Sayian

[@jessicastoker8932]

​@@arkadiuszjandylewski152 Technically speaking, it was "The Super Saiyan of Legend" if we want to go with the original Japanese, and also technically, "Super" as it was applied here is more like just saying "better/impressive", not there to create a proper noun 'name'. In an interview (a very RECENT interview, mind you, going with what I was saying before), Akira Toriyama had said that "The Legendary Super Saiyan" and "The Super Saiyan God" are based on the same legend. They were the same person. And SPECIFICALLY, it was a Saiyan named Yamoshi. He led a rebellion, then when he and several comrades were backed into a corner, they pooled their power into Yamoshi, and ta-da! First ever Legendary Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan God. Also, the word "Legendary" or "of Legend" doing have to be proper nouns either... that's just something fans did because they wanted consistency... consistency that Akira Toriyama and Toei Animation would NEVER care about if it got in the way of money.

[@highhonor9443]

Yapper

[@TheFinalChapters]

So, at first it makes sense that Goku didn't communicate with the world of the living. After all, he was dead and that's just the way things are. Maybe he visited King Kai, but more than likely he simply went to Heaven, where he wouldn't know anything about what was happening on Earth. Even if he went to King Kai initially, there was no justification for him to be allowed to contact Earth. He simply died of a heart virus. There wasn't any threat at the time. If Goku went to Heaven, that would basically be the end of any communication he had with Earth. It's a large place, and there's no telling how long it would take for the others to find him after dying to the Androids. Even if he trains with King Kai, it's unlikely that King Kai would notice the Androids destroying various cities on earth. He may have communication and long range powers, but it's not like he's just watching Earth constantly. So basically, Goku is plausibly out of the equation either way here. The trickier part is the other Z fighters. With Piccolo dying, Kami would also die, and the guardian of the Earth dying would raise some eyebrows. There would likely be a discussion about the events going on with Earth. It's even possible that Goku would be included in the discussions, although not likely given he's not supposed to be attached to Earth anymore, so informing him would only cause trouble. Ultimately, said discussion must have come to the conclusion that interfering in the affairs of mortals is not warranted here, as it is a human problem caused by humans. The Z fighters were strong, to be sure, but the Androids aren't really doing that much compared to even what the Saiyans were going to do. The Saiyan threat came from another planet, so there was at least that justification that it should be countered. The Android problem is entirely homegrown, isn't a threat to the rest of the galaxy, and has more in common with King Piccolo's reign of terror. Thus we have our explanation for why no one from the afterlife tried to help. It's not that Goku and friends didn't want to (assuming Goku found out at all). It's that they aren't allowed to interfere in the affairs of the living except in special circumstances that were not met here.

[@HotFootBunny]

So basically Shit writing? Got it

[@legendarycryptid2629]

These are the same guys who claim Toriyama HAD to be forced by the fans to switch Goku back in over Gohan as if the fans hold all the power over him, the same fans who will claim Gohan's mother, _wife and daughter_ hold him back, the people who write off every villain who doesn't push Goku and Vegeta to Blue as utter weaklings. They'll show up at some point...

[@thatoneguy1426]

I'm gonna just say in my head that baba died somehow in the future timeline or something

[@TheKing-kw6mu]

Ily qaaman, always a treat when you upload

[@lll_Number_One]

I appreciate that you're still pumping out great content all of these years later, been a longtime fan With thay said, this is just a classic case of "dont fuck with DB fans, we havent watched the series!"

[@ElKabong3345]

One thing to keep in mind, King Enma doesn't give you bodies. The only ones capable of giving you a reconstituted body are Gods, from Kami, Kaiosama, and above. In the main timeline, both instances Goku gets a body, is because Kami and Kaiosama rebuilt his body to have it. Afterwards, King Enma, it is implied, just gives the okay for him to have it. So when Goku died of heart disease, Kami would of had to have given him the body to have in the afterlife, if he ever did. King Enma is under no obligation to give him any body at all.

[@zanzax6438]

Also, let’s talk about the headspace that Goku was in when he died around the cell saga. He was already starting to believe that all the things that happen to the Earth is because of his existence. Just that simple fact, alone would tell me that Goku would sit by in the afterlife waiting for everyone else.

[@SansINess53]

GT base goku would pee on kid buu 20 times in a row. Change my mind.

[@ViewerOnline101]

Let's face it, there's been a lot of contradictory things with the whole having bodies in Other World. We've seen people with bodies (good and evil alike), we've seen bodiless souls, we've seen people with angel wings robes and halos, we've seen people with upper bodies and ghostly lower bodies, and we've seen formless masses with a vaguely humanoid shape.

[@gustavedelior3683]

I had always thought that the dragons couldn't revive someone who died of natural causes, though I'd think he would get to keep his body.

[@Realest1ne]

I never even heard this theory 🤣

[@OnlyLiarGameFan]

If I'm not mistaken, isn't Baba and maybe Kami the only two that can bring the dead to earth? Baba was shown to only be able to bring people back to life for only a single day, which was shown with Gohan and Goku. So really, an explanation could be that Baba died from the androids in the future timeline.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

In the end Prince Vegeta killed the whole Ginyu Force and Lord Frieza's men but never Frieza himself

[@KwestFoLyfe]

6:54 when you put it like that it makes a lot of sense to someone other than just Goku as the savior of Earth an create an world without Goku forever even if they did bring Goku back the Androids are still hella strong

[@bossit2498]

I think the whole issue of the future of trunks can be resolved in: Either Toriyama used serious "diabolous ex-machina" to make Trunks' life hell and thus make the backstory more interesting despite sacrificing the logic of that universe. or well and on the other hand, probably not even the gods could or wanted to intervene in something that was a STRICT business of humans, kami and mr.popo did not do much and mutaito had to sacrifice himself to stop king piccolo, and king kai Maybe he kept sleeping or helped Goku because he was his disciple and because Frieza was a UNIVERSAL danger, but the androids never left the earth and that's why they weren't a great threat to his quadrant.

[@QaamansLand]

That doesn't take away from the fact that all of the other dead fighters Specifically Goku, Krillin and Piccolo who all care deeply for Gohan did nothing? Then when Gohan died he did nothing to help Trunks?

[@Eric6761]

@@QaamansLand even if King Kai was asleep couldnt Goku just wake him or say something under the lines of: "Hey, please help me" or Goku use telepathy to comunicate with Gohan?

[@Phillylove100]

I think an easier explanation is that Baba just died and got killed by the androids. And she’s the only one who can do the 1 day pass thing.

[@justinberg3616]

I thought about this as a kid watching the android saga. It made no sense at all that Goku would just be gone away forever. I was under the impression that Goku permanently solidified his place in the after life, and could always either find a way back or at least communicate with the living. Btw Toriyama just writes shit, and us DB fans make it fit.

[@AJTheSilence]

As a dragon ball fan i can confirm we dont watch the anime or read the manga

[@misterboxhead3045]

How does this affect frieza army economy?

[@Aannto]

I wont lie.. i always thought it couldve been that baba died breaking that link between the two realms As dr gero deffo watched all of gokus fights so he deffo saw that mini baba tournment arc unfold & couldve known about the one day 1 pass or that theres someone who can be a threat with her fighters ? And when 17/18 just went rouge wanted a lil challenge or just showed up n killed everyone there

[@genesys6167]

maybe we could say that they did manage to help by virtue of baba roshi's sister coming to get goku or piccolo or the rest of the deceased future z warriors but their efforts were in vain anyways b/c they just simply didn't gain enough power training in the afterlife. even vegeta wasn't good enough. or we could say that baba died by the androids and therefore they were unable to get a chance to go back to earth and help Gohan b/c that was the only way back without going to the dragonballs

[@mr.patriotjol]

I definitely think the argument for Future Goku not keeping his body is definitely not the best way since there aren’t any valid points to make. All we can assume is that this is another Toriyama situation, where we can guess all we want, and even if they are valid points, it doesn’t change how weak the writing of the story was. Because even if Goku went to Heaven with his body and saw the endless bodies going to heaven by the Andriods, he could’ve went to King Kai regardless and contacted Gohan and try to help Same with Baba, even if she refused to go back to earth; assuming she teleported to the checking station, Goku would’ve asked for a one time favor to bring back anyone else for one day that was strong enough to beat 17 and 18.

[@coolbeans107]

Saw the endless bodies going to heaven? Why would Goku even pay attention to that when there’s already an endless line of souls checking in to king Yamma lol? The simplest answer is Goku didn’t know as when he last left earth it was peaceful and he had no way of coming back so he moved on. Which is supported in the Boo arc where he doesn’t even know about Goten meaning he doesn’t keep an eye on his family when he’s dead. Or he didn’t want to intervene as it wasn’t his fight and he was dead like in the Boo arc again. Baba could be dead.

[@mr.patriotjol]

@@coolbeans107 because my dear friend. Goku would’ve known that his allies were killed and by seeing additional souls coming from earth at a rapid paste isnt normal.

[@coolbeans107]

@@mr.patriotjol Do you not realize how big the line is? Earth’s souls coming in at a rapid pace would hardly make any difference lol. Everyone in the universe goes there when they die. Goku is not gonna notice a thing.

[@mr.patriotjol]

@@coolbeans107 damm it Goku!!!! You had one job!!!

[@banjo9158]

The awnser is so simple: Toryama forgot. When he was writting this arc he forgot that someone that died could return to earth for 1 day. that's why this only got brought up in the Boo Saga, and never before that on Z. he just forgot, is that simple.

[@QaamansLand]

Hey Banjo, where is Kanzooie?

[@banjo9158]

@@QaamansLand Kazooie is on the backpack.

[@BaconMinion]

I don't believe that Toriyama forgot about the day pass thing. It was done that way to ensure that Trunks was the single hope of the future. If Goku came in to save the day, Gohan would still be alive. He could just teleport them to New Namek to use the Dragon Balls. They could get a new god of Earth. Trunks wouldn't be the lone warrior from the future anymore.

[@arkadiuszjandylewski152]

I am a Dragon Ball fan and I do not buy any explanation provided in this thread. It is BAD writing period! Goku is not reacting only to universal threats. He loves earth and can not standby when people are killed by strong enemies that can not be stopped by police or military. It is not possible that Goku and other characters in the future timeline just gave up.

[@arkadiuszjandylewski152]

I am a Dragon Ball fan and I do not buy any explanation provided in this thread. It is BAD writing period! Goku is not reacting only to universal threats. He loves earth and can not standby when people are killed by strong enemies that can not be stopped by police or military. It is not possible that Goku and other characters in the future timeline just gave up.

[@quanmfsanchez411]

100% agree with all of what you said nice vid detective

[@TailsSpain]

I dont think that things goes that way. The fact that one can get a 24h pass is an exceptional measure, not meant to solve things in the living world, because that would makes even less sense. That would make the D Balls useless. Grandpa Gohan and Goku were brought back 1 day for a tournament and for family reasons. Vegeta was brought back because with Buu all the universe, even the afterlife was in danger, it was the worst menace they have in the original DB. So the fact nobody came back to help in the FT was coherent with the way things should go. Even Goku said in the Buu saga that the living should deal with their foes. The only thing that doesn t match is that King Kai was silent, but most of the manga he is clueless anyway.

[@Shaprite]

I must be out of the loop because I never heard of this theory.

[@onagda]

"Dragon Ball Fans Are THIS DUMB?" "Yes 🗿"

[@kingkobe4205]

They also literally could not have done anything. Maybe if Bulma went to find the Namekians and their Dragon Balls, but that's the only way I can see anything being done. What are the Z Fighters supposed to do except maybe give Gohan and Trunks advice from the afterlife

[@barracudaboi790]

In the future trunks timeline, Goku died because of a heart virus, i.e. in a natural way, which is why providing him a body when he died in a natural way was very impractical, compared to dying fighting a fiend like Raditz.

[@uselessinformation1988]

I don't recall it ever being stated that you had to die in combat to keep your body.

[@zpearson59]

It doesn't explain why the other zfighters couldn't help though

[@barracudaboi790]

@@uselessinformation1988 re-watch the anime once again, this once with your eyes and ears open. This was even covered in DBZ Kakarot.

[@DenniDownBad]

I'll admit, I'm not the smartest tool in shed but when I like a series of media (like Mortal Kombat and Dragon Ball) a lot and try to learn as much as possible about the lore, I like to think I'm more than willing to have a civil conversation/debate/disagreement and admit at certain points that I may be wrong or incorrect IF I am/will be corrected or educated. "There is no knowledge that is not power." - Raiden, MK3/UMK3

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Here's Goku's dialogue after. "Since I've saved the Earth and stuff I'll get special treatment Ordinary people and bad guys like cell Just become souls. I get to keep my body. And since I'm dead I won't age _ He just saved the Earth He explains how ordinarily people wouldn't. Namek didn't happen on earth. It's not why he got to keep it for raditz(though he also died heroically in that battle). Only two events qualify. Vegeta's attack wherein he didn't die. And saving earth from cell's bomb. But saving the earth is what he's mentioning(which he just did). Other stuff is taken intro account but that's his explanation. It's a possibility. Lack of awareness is another possibility. But the circumstances of his death were different. A natural death. And the possibility isn't far fetched or anything like that. Toriyama could have intended for goku to go through rhe normal circle of death and rebirth in that timeline.

[@Seiryu_Kazu]

even as a dragonball fan, I agree with your explanation of things in your video. unfortunately not many people consider that goku can't come back with the dragonballs anyways either way because he died of natural causes and piccolo died as well of course.

[@knightstudio9985]

Kami was still guardian of earth of dragon balls in future timeline.

[@brianjong8945]

⁠@@knightstudio9985But Piccolo dying nullifies both Kami and the Dragon Balls, that’s why they went to Namek in the first place and wished back Piccolo first

[@knightstudio9985]

@@brianjong8945 real question is why didn't future trunks ask main timeline goku for locations for new namek?

[@Zerato]

I always took it as since goku was dead for so much longer he couldn't just come back. With cell Goku died like 15 minutes ago at max so being able to sneak back to earth for a few seconds to help wouldn't be out of the question imo

[@billyjoel4497]

This guy sounds like both the Arby’s commercial commentator and Bob’s Burgers

[@QaamansLand]

I'm sick.

[@Robinx1985]

Even I knew Goku still had his body after dying in the original timeline from the heart virus and I have seen that debunked head cannon of Goku being bodyless in otherworld being thrown around too often. As the only reasons Goku didn't help Gohan is training, fortune teller baba was likely not alive anymore thanks to the Androids, and the fact the others who died likely convinced Goku that Gohan might figure out something to defeat the Androids and getting in the way is not an option.

[@boigaming5861]

Same here

[@zpearson59]

My head cannon theory is the real reason why THAT timeline Goku and all the z fighters didn't help that version of Gohan is because they was told in the otherworld that Gohan HAD to die because it was a "canon event". and they couldn't interfere. Why? because it will eventually motivate that Bulma to motivate that trunks to go time travel to help another timeline of goku who Will eventually and ironically save that timeline when Goku black shows up eventually. 😂 head Canon saves the day once again

[@Drago935PL]

To clarify MOST of us db fans are dumb... a big most

[@AndrewAce.]

I love DB, but the community is filled with such utter nonsense. I've heard and refuted each and every one of these excuses, but some people are simply ALLERGIC to admitting that a story they like is just poorly written in some areas. And the foolishness they come up with to remain in denial of that fact... I just can't even sometimes...

[@DaimaGokuedits]

I know this is off topic and I'm sorry, But when you really think about the amount of training future Goku would get being dead for 20 years, he'd be an absolute beast just with ssj1 hed be far stronger than Buuhuan

[@12227UserName]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was said that people can't be revived if they died from natural causes. Vegeta wouldn't have a body in death since he was technically still evil. And for the rest of the gang I'm just going to assume there wasn't much they could do since the Earth Dragon Balls went away with Piccolo's death... and they weren't aware of Planet Namek's new location. The only way Goku managed to reach it was with Instantaneous Transmission. They're the most plausible in universe explanations, in my opinion. But I don't know. The plotholes surrounding the Trunks Special always bothered me.

[@MysticMylesZ]

1:15 .....okaaaay??? 3:45 also he didn't reincarnate he was revived 😅 so on top of his new achievements, his past one's wouldn't be disregarded 5:58 someone who has chosen fighting as a sport and bonding experience choosing to not continue that 😂 is like an artist who loves it so much saying, I no longer the option of making art

[@postboy2242]

Havent even watched it yet. Answer is yes.

[@QaamansLand]

Can't wait to hear what you think once you hear how stupid they are?

[@mlmf2012]

My headcanon tells me they died, then were given bodies and returned to earth to stop the androids, and then died again, permanently this time

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

Maybe Baba is dead. Also why in hell did Bulma not go to namek and if she doesnt know its nameks new location then Why not ask king kai? Then use the dragonballs.

[@uselessinformation1988]

Even if King Kai told her New Namek's location, how is she supposed to get there? And if it was as simple as having King Kai ask the Namekians to make the wish, why did they have to go to Namek?

[@Zackrobotheart]

Really salient points and I agree entirely but it raises a question I never considered prior. Its not a point against this video's thesis at all, just an interesting head scratcher about some of the details broached. Kami prepared goku's body for afterlife usage and argued to king enma/yemma for him to have this privilege. Probably the other Z fighters too, at least for deaths before this saga. This is perfectly fine, maybe even a better narrative consistency situation than the english dub implying it is perhaps automatically a thing. But heres my question about that: Who prepared Vegeta's afterlife body in the Buu saga? Kami did not do this before when vegeta died on namek. He did not get to have a body in that death and this is confirmed by his dialogue with piccolo before his noble sacrifice. Interestingly, that was in the dub and piccolo's own dialogue implied uncertainty about his own afterlife let alone vegta's, despite piccolo previously having had a body. That might call into question if these second deaths used that same body as the first time or not, but thats not really the important part here. Vegeta seemingly never had one at all before, and perhaps he earned it only with his last acts that day in terms of making the case to king yemma, but this still begs the question, who prepared it? Dende? Did Dende go to king yemma like kami did for goku and argue his case? Dende who remembers vegeta slaughtered a namekian village to get a dragonball and laughed about it when the wish about those freeza killed didn't restore it? Vegeta who earlier that day did a whole mass murder at the tenkaichi budokai just to make goku throw hands? Dende seems to be a prodigy of an earth guardian in a lot of ways but this is a level of willing forgiveness jesus and buddha would envy him for, and its not even mentioned that anyone pressed him to do so. So I guess maybe baba can do this too? This seems to me the only real answer, although why she would jump to this unbidden seems less clear. Maybe he didn't have one at all and he wasn't dead long enough for it to matter, sort of like when cell being sent to hell depicts him with a body in line. Maybe its all just animation shortcuts because nobody explicitly said draw them with no feet? Or maybe shin did this? There does seem to be a certain degree of automatic afterlife body though. Old kai, king kai, bubbles, gregory, etc all seemed to gain a body in otherworld instantly upon their death. Perhaps for shinjin or kais this is just a fact of their biology, and we simply did not happen to witness king kai making afterlife bodies for everyone else?

[@mikeclark7026]

You are asking if a fandom that believes someone who in canon is SIX HUNDRED TIMES stronger than SSJ3 Goku, would lose to him, is really that dumb…. Yes. Yes they are.

[@QaamansLand]

Who is the 600x?

[@mikeclark7026]

@@QaamansLand Ultimate Gohan. I mean, technically I guess it could be as low as 450 to 500, but I think it’s pretty clear Gohan is well WELL beyond Super Buu, he nearly crippled him in 8 melee attacks, that I have difficulty fathoming he’s not at least 1.5 times him.

[@QaamansLand]

By your logic, how would you scale SSJ3 Goku to Kid Buu? Then... How would you scale Kid Buu to BuuTenks How would you scale Kid Buu to BuuHan How would you scale Kid Buu to BuuIccolo? How would you scale Kid Buu To Gotenks? How would you scale Kid Buu to Gohan? How would you scale Kid Buu To Super Buu (Regular)?

[@mikeclark7026]

@@QaamansLand Kid Buu is stronger than Goku, but not by much,’and Goku if he had launched a Kamehameha from the beginning probably could have killed him. As for all the other ones, absolute trash. Kid Buu, Mr. Buu, SS2 Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku are are all well less than 1% of Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and Buff Buu and any form of Super Buu.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I don't get it as a dam 6 year old I understood most of this stuff besides for power scaling

[@lightyoshiman]

Ah this vid reminds me of how I got into an argument with a brain dead fan who said final form Frieza was weaker than puipui cause we never saw him fight in 10 times gravity even though we see him on planet Vegeta in the broly movie moving around just fine in his first form

[@shawnhardy-hf7is]

Here is a better reason why fortune teller baba didn't give a day time pass... she is dead she was killed by the androids, like 70% of the rest of humanity in that time-line. Yes, i know it's not directly stated, but it's most definitely implied. If I'm not mistaken, it's also not stated but implied that Corin is dead hence lack of sensu's.

[@alieucamara8525]

That is crazy 😂😂😂😂 I never even heard of this theory and I’ve been around the dragon ball community for years 😂💯

[@Eric6761]

This theory is around 2019 to nowdays

[@alieucamara8525]

@@Eric6761 ohh ok makes sense

[@N2xedMoney]

So we just label it as bad writing, instead of taking actual possible in verse explanations into account, ight

[@slinux8420]

I mean it's just bad writing especially for king kai

[@erickck240]

Ok but wtf are the future Z fighters gonna do? THEYRE DEAD! King Kai wouldn't help cuz the androids weren't an universal threat/threat to other plants (at least my guess on why) and then i don’t know about baba.

[@winterburden]

Qaaman here today! 🤩

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

It's just a plot hole

[@Coldskin1]

5:01 sad that you even got to this😑

[@Kingvegeta33]

Yo this is the first time I heard that theory about kakarot I agree with you 100%

[@Eric6761]

Don't get me started with the theory That Bulma cheated on Vegeta to make Trunks

[@shin-gokusatsu645]

People don't really think that Honestly there wasn't much Future Goku could do for Gohan & remember he didn't think about the hyperbolic time chamber until Piccolo brought it up & who knows how the Androids left the look out after attacking it once Kami died killing Korin & Mr. Popo in the process. Goku & the Z fighters most likely help Gohan within his final days before meeting his untimely demise & probably visiting him in his dream where just when Gohan was about to give up hope, Goku & the others must of appeared. Giving him hope in away in case if he met his demise, the world will have a light of hope left in the darkness (Trunks).

[@uselessinformation1988]

What if the Baba from Trunk's timeline was killed by the androids? Also, maybe they weren't strong enough. I mean, the androids already killed them. It's not like they could have done anything to help future Trunks and Gohan. It's like when Yamcha, Tien, and Chiatzu (however you spell his name) were stuck on King Kai's planet during the Namek, Ginyu, and Frieza when Krillin, Gohan, and Bulma was on Namek. Piccolo wanted to be wished back so he could try to fight against Frieza. Yamcha, Tien, and Chiatzu (however you spell his name) were watching helplessly from King Kai's planet. Yamcha and Tien even got upset that there was nothing they could do. Maybe they were in the same situation in future Trunk's timeline where they was nothing they could do no matter how much they wanted to help. Where did this idea of Goku and the other Z fighters not having bodies in future Trunk's timeline come from? Also, since Goku defeated Frieza and King Cold in future Trunk's timeline, the Imperfect Cell saga has a few plot holes since Cell came from the same future. Cell told Piccolo that Trunk's dna would have been collected, but the computer had already determined that he sufficient saiyan dna. But that doesn't make sense if Cell came from the same timeline as future Trunks where Goku defeated King Cold and Frieza.

[@regulush0743]

You know since you mentioned the ginyu force one thing now I'm wondering is that was/is future ginyu still alive since the main timeline one remained alive until the resurrection of F arc where he swap bodies with Tagoma so since RoF never happened in the future timeline does it mean he can be roaming on the earth where future trunks and Mai now reside?

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Let him cook.