Dragon Ball Z Kai Sucks

#DragonBallZ #DragonBallZKai #DBZ
Kai Sucks. Only OG Fans will understand.

[@JaxBlade]

Its funny DragonBall Z Kai was something that came out when I was 20 & I watched it and while I loved hearing the English Dub cast improve in many areas & a lot of Kai’s score. It never became my go to when I want to revisit the series. I enjoy Kai but like you said my fav way to go back is still the manga to this day cause I can read way faster than I can rewatch & Toriyama’s artstyle is absolutely immaculate, gives a clear flow of action & is just very easy & fun to read. Since my fav way to revisit the series is it in its most organic form, if I’m feeling Nostalgic I’ll rewatch either the OG Cheesy Toonami Dub, Ocean for Saiyan and Namek & Funimation for the Rest we grew up with, I never took the Dub for Z that seriously the same way I never took Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Digimon, or Yugioh’s dub that seriously, Just cheesy nostalgic fun. But I Also Really love the Original Japanese just cause I love the voices & Kikuchi’s score. Each gave a different vibe, The OG Japanese gives DragonBall this mystical martial arts series vibe and the OG gave it this ACTION SUPERHERO Save the Day Vibe and the music I still use in my Gym workouts when I’m aiming to hit a PR, I remember blasting the SSj3 Theme in High school the first time I benched 200+ haha & still use it to this day. I still really enjoy Kai (cept for the Buu Saga for it for a myriad of reasons) but I just never find myself rewatching it like I do the OG Japanese and OG DUB and if I really want Organic the manga is legit my fav & never fails me.

[@WoodenClockwerk]

Should turn this comment into a longer video, never watched buu saga kai but ig it sounds like i dodged a bullet lol

[@letsgobrandon1906]

Aye it makes me so happy to see someone with influence and a platform show love to Kai. Kai rekindled the love for dragon ball for multiple generations. I’m only 24. People in my age range had Kai on nicktoons and it’s still one of the best anime of all time. Kai is that good especially with the original soundtrack it had.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

GREAT QAAMAN YOU PREPARED FOR OG DRAGON BALL Z

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

@@letsgobrandon1906 I'm the same man, 26 and proud to have gotten into this series through Kai

[@nahsiongoetre6874]

I guess the conversation is quality vs Nostalgia

[@Jamble]

100%

[@_rafaelsantana_]

You nailed it

[@mookiestewart3776]

If I want pure quality I’m going Japanese, if I want nostalgia then I’m going ocean/funi. Kai serves no purpose. Take that sterile shit back to nicktoons

[@nahsiongoetre6874]

@@mookiestewart3776 To you ok, but its 2024 a new audience would have a hard time with the pacing of Z especially around the Namek arc

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@nahsiongoetre6874 yes to me and to a very large portion of the community as well. If newcomers are allowed to bitch about the old dubs then WE are also allowed to call your tales trash . It goes both ways, you can’t just talk shit then hide behind that hippy bullshit of “well it’s just my opinion maaan”. Opinions are fair game to be called fucking stupid

[@Desmuu]

The removal of the Faulconer score is what ruined it for me, and Gohan sounds really weird.

[@Alex22406]

Yes Gohan and Android 18 both. I will say Frieza sounds better though.

[@Trilliman707]

​@Alex22406 true and in Kai in super it actually used s male actor

[@androidsenpai1462]

Faulconer is the dumb way to watch Z honestly. I don’t think they cared about preserving some random replacement score they didn’t even use for the entire series a decade before Kai released.

[@DJUmi0710]

DBZ Kai uncut is the way I watch DBZ on DVD

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

💯

[@lilbropnut]

Facts

[@letsgobrandon1906]

Same I just started collecting them. Got parts 1-4 this year

[@DJUmi0710]

@@letsgobrandon1906 EPIC😎

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

I'm against this title

[@mr.patriotjol]

its ok, you're not alone. Its ok to cry

[@Diamondr11Blue]

Cry harder it's true

[@saadsami8860]

​​@@Diamondr11Blue Ok nostalgia fan

[@Diamondr11Blue]

@@saadsami8860 nah I don't care for z . I'm not a nostalgia rider and even grew up with it. The entire series has flaws

[@devaughnfranklin6683]

@@Diamondr11Blueand Kai doesn’t? 😂

[@LOUGAone]

Hold on hold on !!!!! Just one minute in , and you're telling me I'll have to face Mr Popo STARE for 13 minutes ?? Do you know how dangerous this guy is ?? 😂😂😂

[@LOUGAone]

Ok so a few moments later here we are , I survived Mr Popo... and I have to say I agree with you, the OG DB was way better than Kai. Kai was good for new viewers , even if the OG version had some funky dialogues ( I'm french and we had the same issues with translators doing whatever they want sometimes lol ) ... Kai felt kinda rushed at times, the rythm, the colors were weird... they definitely should have kept some fillers, there was some good fillers

[@LOUGAone]

And actually, that made me think ... I'm pretty sure some mangas are not meant to be adaptated 1 to 1 to anime , like .... the mangaka doesn't have so much time to draw everrrything and I'm sure that they hope the anime will add stuff with the fillers! Almost every fight has some minor fillers sequences with added punches and throws etc ...

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Dragonball Z Kai was better on Toonami

[@tytanwhite2576]

I do agree DBZ KAI was amazing on toonami but when it first aired on Nicktoons I really enjoyed it lol I was better than the 4Kids version with blue popo

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

​@@tytanwhite2576Indeed it was.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Yeah or cw vortex

[@waterh2o299]

Facts

[@letsgobrandon1906]

@@tytanwhite2576 nicktoons version competes with any anime I won’t lie😂💯

[@kep2869]

For those of us not pushing 30 or 35, kai is the rerun that got our generation to love dragon ball. However I’m sure kai has a special spot for a lot of fathers like my own dad because it’s how he got me into dragon ball.

[@mookiestewart3776]

This is correct, kai feels sterile and lacks a certain “artistic integrity” to us. The only way kai is your favorite is if you’re young and didn’t experience either LEGIT DBZ (Japanese version) or the ocean/funi dubs . Kai serves no purpose to those of us that experienced any of those versions

[@DragoonCenten]

Speak for yourself, I'm 24 and I watched OG DBZ. I'm fine with Kai because sometimes I don't wanna sit through filler, but I tolerate it at best. The soft spot will forever be for the original run that has you waiting 4 episodes for a 30 second fight, and an episode where Piccolo and Goku learn to drive.

[@DADRB0B55]

25, I hate Kai but I have friends who like it to be fair since it was the first version they watched & I try not to rain on their parade. They are casual fans so they don’t really care about filler or canon so they just like Kai to like Kai.

[@Reivaz88]

​@@mookiestewart3776the fact that DBZ has as many episodes as the chapters of the manga shows how shit it's pacing is, DBZ kai is just way better, Goku vs friaza shouldn't take years

[@nigralurker]

I'm 35 and I love Kai. The pacing isn't 100% in tune with the manga (since its an edited version of the OG anime) but it does a fantastic job at removing a lot of filler from the Saiyan to Freeza arc.

[@Dante...]

As an OG fan I must respectfully disagree. I like Kai because it ment we actually got a professionally made dub with most of the same actors from the original. If I'm feeling nostalgic I'll gladly pop in the original version but otherwise I'll stick with Kai for it's better voice acting, more accurate script, and much faster pace.

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

Mad respect to you bro. That's a really cool way of seeing Dragon Ball 🤜🏽

[@freezasama5802]

Nah just read the manga or watch the Japanese version they are more accurate than Kai

[@Idkitzjushdc]

⁠@@freezasama5802Jap version of Z still has filler. There’s no point in watching it if you are trying to get to the main meat and potatoes of the actual core story. It would be better to just watch Kai in sub or read the manga. But then your gonna have individuals who won’t do either of which I mentioned, so it would be better for them to watch Kai in dub.

[@freezasama5802]

@@Idkitzjushdc only if filler annoys you other than that it's very watchable

[@DADRB0B55]

If I am that desperate for accuracy I would read the manga, but I won’t rain your parade any longer. Colleen VA is trash, I understand why One piece fans hate their dub so much, her technique is amazing but her voice sounds like a rich so-cal white girl it’s so unfitting for a down to earth to character like Luffy, Gohan & Kid Goku.

[@locdogg86]

Haaaard disagree with read the manga if you don’t want filler. That’s just giving companies every reason to pad out run times.

[@RealNigga148]

You know nothing about Dragon Ball, didn’t even finish the video and I already know it’s incorrect.

[@mr.patriotjol]

🤓

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

He knows about Dragon Ball, Qaaman like 70% of the fanbase is just blinded by nostalgia

[@SaiyanPodcast]

clown from the name to the profile picture to your shit take 😎

[@Karma-dy8xc]

pin of shame

[@pepito69]

Listen here you young whippersnapper you 😡

[@alatus_knight]

Dragon Ball Z kai is just better than the original. It strictly sticks to Toriyama's manga the most and there's no filler. The dialogues and the voice acting are objectively better than the Og dub. The censorship is the only real issue

[@cooliipie]

False. So much is wrong with it

[@alatus_knight]

@@cooliipie example?

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

It's only censored by the 4Kids version

[@Xis_sa]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD complete misinformation

[@KamehamehaSuperStyle]

​@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD and nicktoons

[@rafaundisputedgoat2024]

Watch DBZ in Japanese. No Kai!

[@freezasama5802]

Yes that's why Kai is pointless because we already had it in the japanese version what a waste of time

[@kybalerton2608]

​@@freezasama5802Yup. As a fan of yhe Japanese version it's pointless because overall aside from removing filler it's just a worse experience. Actors/actresses sound way older and the iconic ost has been changed

[@freezasama5802]

@@kybalerton2608 exactly the Japanese version is basically Kai cause all the lines are direct from the manga and you can just skip over the filler Masako doesn't sound the same in Kai and it just ruins the experience the fact there is 0 censorship in its version also makes it superior to Kai

[@webslinger4733]

*Kai on 4Kidz sucked. Sucked ass, in-fact Kai on Toonami is better than the Orignal Funimation Z broadcast. Not only is the pace way faster, but the voice actors in Kai are much more experienced and skilled than they were in OG Z. Vegeta, Piccolo and Frieza don’t sound like they smoked 100 cigs a day. And before you say “B-but muh Falconer score 🥺” A) it’s a tad overrated and B) Falconer only made like 4 of the songs himself. Like Android 16 said: “Let it go”

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

I'd pin your comment man if I could bro 👍🏽

[@Golemoid]

These were some of the most iconic performances ever. In Kai they just sound like normal dudes. It's not better.

[@dannylewis8397]

You say faulconer Productions score is overrated and yet I guarantee you cream over the god awful 1950's orchestral sounding Kikuchi score where they repeat the same 5 or 6 tracks over and over with no emotion to them.

[@freezasama5802]

Nah your just a hater why can't everyone just respect everyone for what they like why does everyone have to insult the perfomances of the versions they don't like just respectfully give your opinion and don't piss everyone off

[@ballooningen]

@@Golemoid Dbz kai Goku's Super Saiyan speech? Vegeta's speech to android 19?

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I grew up watching DBZ Kai on Cartoon Network, CW Vortex, Toonami, NickToons, 4Kids & KaBillion

[@Trilliman707]

Child original dbz is where it's at

[@captainhostile101]

No dub and no voice actor can match Masako Nozawas animalistic scream when Gohan goes SSJ2 against Cell, while Unmei No Hi plays in the background. Absolute, unadulterated PERFECTION.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

Agreed

[@Diamondr11Blue]

Cap

[@Funky_Item]

Main thing for me was dub Gohan's voice. Can't stand that voice for Gohan or Luffy. Dudes will run up like "old Gohan voice sounds like he smokes packs of cigarettes a day you actually like that?" Yes bro, that shit was iconic lol

[@kimberlyfrye8116]

Still sounded bad imo

[@joshghz]

I don't hate Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice for Luffy, but I do for Gohan. I definitely prefer Linda Young for Frieza as well.

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

Not iconic, it's just nostalgic which doesn't mean it's good. No child should sound like a chain smoker 🤣

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@joshghz how the hell do you prefer Frieza sounding like a female then a funny asshole

[@KonEl17]

Frieza both versions good, Old Gohan, and Old Bulma are the best. Cannot stand new Gohan voice.

[@jeremyknight9980]

Me and my brother just finished Kai a few weeks ago. I recommend it to anyone who doesn't want to sit through filler arcs/filler episodes, better pacing, better voices and a script that's closer to the japanese. I even recommend Japanese Kai if anyone doesn't want to watch DBZ where it has the audio quality of a 60s cartoon. Imo the original Funi dub of Z has it's moments but the thing that really holds up is the Faulconer productions/Mark Menza/Nathan Johnson soundtracks, I really wish they would redub some of the movies and tv specials. Yes Kai has censorship but that's mainly due to it airing on Sunday Mornings with One Piece and even that series is censored in some areas, originally Dragon Ball aired during prime time.

[@Jamble]

I agree, Kai is good for quickly watching or new fans.

[@siei3i37]

Yeah the only thing that sucks about kai is that it doesn't have the Faulconer ost

[@Jamble]

@@siei3i37 Yeah, doesnt faulconer also hate funimation?

[@siei3i37]

@Jamble He simply prefers Kai like all the VAs. He doesn't hate the og. Also, I forgot to add one thing I miss from the og is when Goku looked at Freiza and said, "He was just a monkey, right?"

[@DJUmi0710]

Qaaman, I respect your opinion wholeheartedly! For me, DragonBall Z Kai holds a special place in my heart because the Nicktoons run of the show was my first exposure to the franchise. I was 9 years old when the Saiyan Saga aired, and I’ll never forget the first clip I ever saw was the moment Goku saved Gohan and Krillin from Nappa’s attack. The power emanating from this spiky haired orange wearing dude captivated me and I was hooked. My cousin had already planted seeds about DragonBall by talking about his own past with watching it on Cartoon Network and buying the action figures. He drew me a picture of Vegetto to go along with his story. I watch the uncut version of Kai and read the manga now, but I’ll never forget these moments of my life because they introduced me to Toriyama’s wonderful world of creativity. May he rest in peace 🕊️

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The only time I'll watch Z is for the Faulconer Productions Score, and filler that's it

[@SpeedPunch]

Objectively the only score should be kikuchi.

[@Dante...]

​@@SpeedPunch It's a matter of taste, not objectivity. I think Kikuchi's score is great! But I also really like the Faulconer and Yamamoto scores. Sumitomo's is pretty meh.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

Yeah for me if I wanna watch Dragon Ball Z I watch the original with English subtitles but I wanna watch It dubbed I throw on Dragon Ball Z Kai. Also sorry but the original English dub has aged like 8 month old milk and I can't stand it, I have issues with the Faulconer Score like it doesn't stop like as much as I think Is cool but like let the music pause for like a minute to build fucking ambience that's why I prefer the Kikuchi's score more then the Faulconer Score... but hay these are just my opinion.

[@freezasama5802]

I respect Faulconer score but for me personally Kikuchi is superior it captures that 90's dragon ball esque feel that Faulconer doesn't his is 2000's rock opera and for me it just doesn't fit the show I don't like excessive rock for dragon ball especially when that wasn't what Toriyama intended the fact also that there's no pauses in Faulconer score makes it very jarring for me

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@The_Blue_Otakuit doesn’t stop?? Good!! I don’t want it to stop, shot slaps

[@tyrannotherium7873]

Well little fun fact for me is that how I got into dragon ball Was because of Kai when I was watching it on nicktoons back in the day Because without it I wouldn't get into dragon ball in the first place also I can't believe it's been 10 years since I've been watching your channel back in 2014 which is pretty awesome even though I didn't have a youtube channel at the time

[@walkingtalkingstevenhawkin6831]

........,,,,,,,,,,!!! Here's some punctuation that you can sprinkle into your statement, to make it more legible.

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

Same here, Kai helped me get into this great series and from the right perspective I might say.

[@dischordblast8992]

@@walkingtalkingstevenhawkin6831 you spelled your wrong

[@walkingtalkingstevenhawkin6831]

@@dischordblast8992 how so?

[@dischordblast8992]

@@walkingtalkingstevenhawkin6831 You didn’t i just wasted seconds of your life😭😭😭

[@HessDesu]

I saw Kai first, then OG Dragon Ball Z. I personally love OG Dragon Ball Z's voices and filler over Kai regardless of translation authenticity.

[@letsgobrandon1906]

You have to watch Kai with the original music before it was copyrighted.

[@codes4046]

@@letsgobrandon1906what’s the best way to do that?

[@freezasama5802]

Same bro Kai felt too rushed and clean like it didn't want to diverge the story unless when it needed to and that made it boring for me like the stand offs between Goku and Freeza were rushed soo quickly in Kai that I had no time to take the atmosphere in its frustrating

[@Reivaz88]

Kai turned 300 episodes into 200, goes to show how absolutely shit the pacing of DBZ is, why does it have as many episodes as there are chapters of the manga

[@freezasama5802]

@@Reivaz88 it's cause there are entire filler arcs lasting tens of episodes within the series and all the little filler here and there add up to about 100 episodes worth of extra content but even Kai isn't perfect as it keeps some of it in

[@creategreatness8823]

The way Kai is re-edited and re-worked structurally is also quite frustrating. Almost no character has their original introduction preserved. Almost every new character is revealed in an eye catch BEFORE they are introduced. The eyecatches also spoil things like certain character alliances and the level of damage they receive before they ever happen on the show. If you KNOW the show, that's fine, but if you are trying to show someone new, or you are a new fan yourself...it is going to weirdly over-show and reveal things before they actually happen in the show. Many of the commercial breaks and episode breaks are also awkwardly placed and decided on because that isn't how it was done originally. Kai just carries the extreme sense that it is an awkward re-edit of something that previously existed. It is fine to let things be what they were in their original form. We don't need to take Terminator or Die Hard and re-edit them according to how we would do it today, and then give them new names and credits and redo the VFX shots, alter the music plscement and trim a few minutes out to try and "modernize" them. They were made in the 80s exactly as they were...just present them in as high of a quality as possible. I feel that Kai caters to people who don't want to watch OG Dragon Ball and put no value on what the original DBZ meant to the industry of Anime and general culture. It caters to a more casual fanbase who just wants to rush through the material as quickly as possible to get to Super.

[@aggresivehog]

Nostalgia is strong... In Polish community you have a strong chunk of fans who prefer to watch dbz with french dub and applied polish reader over that french dub. That was a terrible experience, but nostalgia makes these ppl love that terrible "dub" more over the recently released, decent, first in the history official polish dub for dbz kai...

[@Bas_Brand]

at least the french version has the real soundtrack

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Ah Kai give best of both worlds, Plus nothing can compare to Dragon Soul especially the Vic version

[@kylerayner9167]

Cha La Head cha La would like a word with you 😂

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@kylerayner9167rock the dragon as well. Dude is trippin

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

​@@kylerayner9167and it can stay down

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

​@@mookiestewart3776rock of the dragon is fine, bish it's only use for 3 Movies sit down

[@kylerayner9167]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Tell most of the fandom that 😏

[@Eric-gp3hi]

Thank you for making this video about Dragonball Z Kai. I first watched Dragonball Z Kai back in May 2010 on Nicktoons. I agree Dragonball Z Kai is the most accurate English representation of Dragonball. I still miss Stephanie Nadonly as Kid Goku and Kid Gohan.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

Yeah I grew up with Kai on 4Kidz (Nickelodeon in Canada didn't air DBZ Kai so 4Kidz was the only way I could watch Dragon Ball Z Kai and back then I was too young/dumb to just watch it online because I didn't know about pirating websites)

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The only time i rather watched Z over Kai is when it comes to the buu saga

[@Nikketmzee]

It’s the cell saga for me

[@StevenJones851]

Frieza Cell Saga's for me

[@nostalgianetwork1225]

I've watched dbz during the buu saga when i was 5 or 6. And since i was so young and dbz was almost over and DBGT was what i remember the most. When i was around 9 or 10. I discovered KZbin and i watched clips and sometimes even full episodes on KZbin. (Although in poor quality) and i got the idea of the full story of Z through the budokai games on ps2. So i guess I'm an og fan. Then kai came on the toonzai channel when i was around 12 or 13 (around the same time i was playing the ps2 games) I was loving it. Even though as an adult i don't like it as much. But ill give kai this. The op and ed soundtracks are absolute bangers.

[@nathanielduncan4692]

I like these laid back videos there a nice change of pace.

[@creategreatness8823]

Kai is a Frankenstein monster in terms of the audio-visual presentation. The opening, closing, eye-catches, reanimated shots & scenes, Dub, and sound design are all fresh from 2009 The main bulk of the footage and the music track is all from 89 onward. And it's all stitched together in a really distracting way. Every time you go from the flashy new opening or eye-catches back to the original footage, or from the newly re-animated material back to the original footage...it just pulls me out of the experience. The new "coat of paint" slapped on it just makes the "old material" of the footage and music feel even MORE dated. It doesn't gel together well. At least when you watch the original Z...you are getting a full, complete version of the series that is representative of when it was originally made, when it was originally localized to the US, and it is all consistent with itself within that presentation. That is the BIGGEST drawback. If you are a "completionst" you will likely want to own it ALL...meaning even if you value all the stuff Kai brings to the table, you will probably still want Z. You'll probably feel the need to watch BOTH when you do your collection marathons. Unless you outright hate Z, Kai is just redundant. Z has everything Kai has and MORE. Z has better music placement for the Kikuchi score, it has the Faulconer option, and it was all of the filler and side stories with nothing missing or left our. Sure, it doesn't NEED all of that extra padding. But I am sure you could find ways to say that Lord of the Rings didn't NEED to have all films be over 3 hours, or that Oppenheimer didn't NEED to be 3 hours. The length of a work is not purely based on what is 100% functionally necessary with no room for anything else. So Z...warts and all, flaws and all, at least gives you the most full experience without anything left out. Again, if they wanted to just do "Dragon Ball Z: Special Edition" and JUST edit it down and re-dub it but otherwise keep it a 100% authentic experience to the original presentation(opening, eye catches, Japanese and English music plscements) then that would be fine. It would JUST be Z but shorter. It is all of the "new open, new eye catches, new closing, new title for the show, re-animated shots and scenes spliced in" that makes for a really disjointed viewing experience.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The VA Changes don't really bother me, i do agree some are better then others tho

[@Dante...]

I greatly prefer Stephanie as Gohan and especially as Kid Goku. I'm indifferent when it comes to Bulma's actor, I'll take either one. But Chris Ayres though, he was the GOAT.

[@ajxx9987]

Does kai have the episode where piccolo and goku go to the driving school and the otherworld tournament? It's literally my favorite filler of all time

[@JuanRamirez-kf8pk]

No. It has barely any of the filler episodes

[@christopher4249]

No sadly cause that was one of the main purposes of Kai was too remove as much of the filler/supplementary material in the original anime as they could so it would be more accurate towards the manga ver.

[@Reivaz88]

There's no way y'all defending filler now 😭 dbzk turns 300 episodes of z into 200, that alone makes it better

[@legendarycryptid2629]

As a kid, I truly could not stand Stephanie Nadolny as Gohan. As someone who watched the dub of OG Dragon Ball first, I loved her as Goku, but Gohan was so different from Goku that it just gave me the idea that I was watching a character who looked a bit like Goku, sounded like Goku, but was _nothing like him._ As much flack as Colleen Clinkenbeard gets (why are people so up in arms about her voice acting in the 2020s when they were just fine with her back then, especially with Luffy?), I enjoy her take for a Gohan that actively sounds like a different character, so it doesn't sound like he's riding Goku's coattails. Also, people keep calling the soundtrack for Kai bland, but it has some pretty great tracks, especially Tears of Grief for Goku's vision of Vegeta on Namek.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I love the soundtrack especially for fights, and yeah I like Stephanie as gohan but I prefer kid Goku & kid Gohan to sound different

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

Boy you hit the nail on the head with this! Perfect comment describing the two female voice actresses

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

Honestly I think Stephanie Nadolny did way better as Kid Goku in OG Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball GT then Gohan in Dragon Ball Z also I don't mind Colleen Clinkenbeard's take on Gohan

[@patshowiedoit5340]

I never minded the original dub, I think the voices fit the animation better. Kai is too polished to me. Especially Sabats work, I think starting with Kai, Vegeta and especially Piccolo sound way too smooth. (I like Piccolo sounding gruff not like a Soul Music Radio DJ lol) I'm indifferent to clinkenbeard though but as someone who started watching from when it premiered in the US I prefer Nadolny and Saffron Henderson as Gohan.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Very confused by this comment, not everyone watched one piece, I just don't care much for Colleen's voice as Gohan, never worked for me even now as I rewatch Kai. Every time I go back and watch some clips of the Toonami runs of DBZ, Stephanie just sounds better imo.

[@edwardjones1482]

I’ve tried watching the kai version a bunch of times i couldn’t get myself to finish it , everytime I hear kid/teen gohan i just hear luffy and I wanna hear luffy i will just watch one piece, and when goku comes back for the tournament they used like circus happy bouncy music , i get it was a happy moment but it was a sad happy moment and the dialogue they use in the original z is memorable than the words they use in kai , i know some KZbinrs prefer kai over the original z like geekdom does haha and many other people, but as more me when i watch dragon ball , its gonna be dragon ball, dragon ball z , dragon ball gt , dragon ball super no kai

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

nahhhhhhh kai is better than the original Z

[@HalozillaEX]

Here’s the thing about the old dragon ball z English dub; part of loving dragon ball is learning to love the jank. The English dub and the movies with their outrageous soundtracks are part of the overall dragon ball experience. If you’ve only watched Kai or only watched the Japanese dub or only read the manga, you’ve experienced dragon ball but you haven’t gotten the full experience. I love dragon ball, warts and all!

[@mr.patriotjol]

I was pretty surprised Kai aired on Nickelodeon. Kai had a good introduction for OG fans and newer fans since the main show hasnt been around since the 90s (Japan), and early 2000's for Americans. One of my biggest issues of Kai was the censors of blood and graphic language. At least they Piccolo to say "Makankosappo", but sadly it went back to SPEICAL Beam Cannon.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

It aired on Cartoon Network, CW Vortex, Toonami, 4Kids and NickToons and kabillion

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Only the 4kids version is censored

[@mr.patriotjol]

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD right right. Nicktoons. It’s been awhile lol

[@mr.patriotjol]

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD but I did recall nicktoons censoring too though

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@mr.patriotjol not really Popo was Black in the NickToons one

[@shounenfury]

Dragonball Kai is the reason I'm a fan of Dragonball. From Kai I started buying Dragonball Z games on the DS, watching DBZ Abridged with my sister and went back to the original Dragonball. I sorta grew up with it. Regardless of anything, I think its worth existing for the purpose of introducing more people to the franchise.

[@calvinosantiago]

I’m so glad someone said that this world is turning towards censorship, but yet we have freedom of speech. Things are absolutely wild hate the world nowadays.

[@ultrascarlet5275]

I know it says OG FANS ONLY but this is just nostalgia talking. I watched Kai when I was a little kid, and I'm an adult now, so I guess it's hypocritical of me to say, but still. It's the Dragon Ball I know. The translation is better, and Sean Schemel's performance is leagues above his performance in Z. I understand disliking Frieza and Gohan's voices but that's personal preference more than anything. I haven't watched Buu Kai though, I'm pretty sure that does actually suck. Overall, I would say the manga is infinitely better than both animes tbh.

[@rendismowerto2481]

The Toonzai version sucks. The uncut version is great. It is more manga-accurate with no pointless filler that brings the series down. Even your boi Geekdom champions it. It is by far the best way to watch dbz in English.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The only good filler was the Saiyan saga & underworld tournament

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

personally i prefer Kai because of the Better Dub(i prefer the DB Dub or Sub) and improved animation + removing stuff like Filler but i understand why someone would rather watch the OG because of Nostalgia and you are right some of the filler was pretty good and i guess you are also right that you can always read the Manga but sometimes i personally don't want to read and want to chill and listen to an Anime instead but i get the point of the video.

[@GothicSnowLeopard]

as someone who still appreciates Kai for what it was set out to do, I can admit its existence was best served as just its 10th year anniversary and introducing many new fans to the franchise as a whole. Watching the Japanese original was already your go to option if you wanted the story told the way Toriyama intended, making an english dub accurate retelling with filler removed seemed to be a lot more work than it needed to be

[@MayanFrighter100000]

that is me, I want to hear the English dub with the original Japanese soundtrack. I grew up with a Spanish dub of Dragon Ball, Z, and I want to hear the English dub with the Japanese soundtrack for that nostalgia kick. I would watch Dragon Ball Z Kai, if it was more of a updated art style instead of just reusing animated art design with a color update.

[@staraptorflock3661]

One thing in your favor that you forgot to mention is that if you want to watch the show in chronological order there is no OG Dragon Ball Kai so when you watch the English dub of OG Dragon Ball going from that to Dragon Ball Z Kai is a rough transition it's better to just wat OG Dragon Ball then watch the original English dub of DBZ

[@princeindisguise]

I'll probably sound like an old school DBZ fan but I don't care. I grew up watching dbz in late 90s all the way to the mid 2000s on toonami so I never watched Japanese dub simply because they didn't show it on tv. But how I see it, DBZ kai is a watered down version of the original. I personally enjoyed the filler of the original because I see it as all apart of one masterpiece series. DBZ kai takes that away. As an older DBZ fan, I don't like that. Also the gore is gone in kai. So that's another thing they took away. I definitely don't like that as an older DBZ fan. I will give you it does have better dubbing, but it comes at the cost different voice actors that I did not grow up with. Even Goku and Vegeta sound different, I don't like that. So for these reasons, I will always pick the original over Kai.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Right Sean & Chris sound better in kai

[@patshowiedoit5340]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Sorry man but I disagree with Sabat being better. Piccolo's voice is way too smooth in Kai, always sounds like he's spitting game to a woman while listening to Marvin Gaye. I like him sounding more rough. Even Vegeta is a little too refined and not as deep.

[@l3k561]

​@@patshowiedoit5340This is the first time I've ever seen a fanbase actively complain that the voice acting is "too good" holy shit you nostalgia babies gotta go man

[@garrickcg]

I would argue that the English dub gave extra context to things that manga didn't everything doesn't need to be politically correct to manga.

[@dtay8913]

The dub certainly does. Aside from chris ayers frieza (may he rest in peace), monica rial's bulma and colleen clinkenbeard's Gohan/ kid goku make my ears bleed in comparison to the original actresses.

[@dtay8913]

How could I forget, Android 18? Colleen clinkenbeard was so bad in kai they brought Meredith McCoy back to voice her in super.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

​@@dtay8913her voice isn't that seductive dead robot voice

[@MirBlackwell]

Og DBZ is what made me fall in love with DBZ i remember me and my pop found a website where u could watch every episodes and i was in heaven. But the first time i watched kai front to back was a different experience. I think cutting the filler really helps to keep the story moving and improves the watch considerably

[@DarkManjiGaming]

Super Saiyan Blue Popo

[@VirtualAxiom]

I'm an OG fan, was watching during the Toonami days when I was in kindergarten and was even Goku for Halloween in '99, and I prefer watching Kai because it gives me as authentic of an experience as it's possible to have while listening to it in English, which is my preference for anime on the whole, and does the work of removing the bloat and the bad filler like the Garlic Jr. "arc" and the Ginyu Force on King Kai's planet for me, rather than me having to fast-forward and skip episodes (while either suffering through the old dub's rough spots or reading subtitles and hearing voices that aren't my preference) while watching Z. That's why I like and care about having accurate dubs in the first place. I'm that fan who wants to be met in the middle so I can just enjoy my anime as painlessly as possible after living through the days of "Part 1/3 (HD but actually 360p at best)" on KZbin. (Hell, give me a version of Kai that uses the Z openings and endings for that extra authenticity, and now we're REALLY cooking.) And while I love Dragon Ball, I'm not someone who automatically loves something just because it's got Dragon Ball in the title or Toriyama's name on it. I respect the man for what he did in his prime, but I despise Super on the whole, even if it has moments that click with me subjectively, and I think it would have been better if he'd let the series rest instead of giving us a mountain of retcons in a story that isn't even good. As genius as he could be, it being his idea doesn't make it good by default, any more than someone like Rent A Girlfriend's author being behind something else would make it bad by default. Things need to stand or fall on their own merits, not be propped up or scorned without proper scrutiny based on popular consensus, brand loyalty, or blind worship of a creator. But I digress, I'm just explaining my mindset as it pertains to assessing things that carry the Dragon Ball name, or the name of anything I care about. Kai is just a less bloated Z with a much better dub, and that's all I need it to be for it to replace Z for me on the whole. I can still watch the Z movies for fun during a Kai watch, and it's the best of both worlds.

[@OmegaMagnus11DA]

I'm watching dbz kai with faulconer score. Sounds great. Hearing faulconer in Saiyan Saga was a trip

[@Golemoid]

I watch Ocean dub up until Namek, this is the way

[@alexfraser8352]

I'd probably never got into the series if it weren't for kai tho

[@siei3i37]

Only thing that sucks about Kai is the lack of the Faulconer score and the "He was just a monkey, right?" line

[@hieiamaru5356]

All im going to say is Bruce faulconer made dub DBZ for me as a kid

[@cooliipie]

I watched both about 8 years ago in my mid 20s. NO NOSTALGIA! The original funi dub is far superior. The buildup from longer scenes, music, and growth of the voice actors is unmatched

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

It's not, besides some cool filler and the Bruce Faulconer score it's not better, dilague is so awful especially for Frieza, not until the cell saga and buu saga it gets better

[@freezasama5802]

​@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODkikuchi score is the best dragon ball score peroid

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODFaulkner score is quite a bit better

[@killuafanboy3812]

What if Guru unlocking Gohan's potential made Gohan WAY stronger than he was originally? How much stronger could be up for debate but... I'd say maybe at least as strong as Goku was when he landed on Namek.

[@GreatChadhan]

I wish we got a new release of the original dragon ball manga honestly. Viz mostly butchered the manga’s release and gave less of a shit to update it.

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

I like watching OG Dragon Ball with the Japanese voices

[@Realest1ne]

Even with all the dub changes, younger/newer fans just can’t really understand how epic the original Z run on Toonami was. It literally jumpstarted the anime craze in the west that we have now. Outside of Pokémon, no anime dub was touching DBZ in the late 90’s/early 2000’s. I respect Kai for being more true to the manga, but it just ain’t it for me.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Oh like calling a rice ball a donut

[@Realest1ne]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD *The point* .

[@mookiestewart3776]

Just one disagreement, if you’re comparing dubs from the early 2000’s then cowboy bebop clears dragonball EASY! First aired in the west in 2001 and was dubbed in 1999 if o recall correctly. FLCL was dubbed around the same time too

[@universalspaceexpeditioner8259]

I disagree

[@QaamansLand]

At least you weren't an asshole

[@Sugar_SpiceDB7ZS]

Same here

[@vaporized55]

im not an og fan but imma watch this because i was in the stream when you talked about this😂

[@FreeTheDimples]

My experience with Kai: heard kid Gohan’s voice, turned it off.

[@Alex22406]

I have watched it but it’s hard to get past Gohan and Android 18’s voice. I will say Frieza’s voice is better but some scenes do not feel the same without the faulconer score.

[@FreeTheDimples]

@@Alex22406 yeah I do like Frieza better

[@_rafaelsantana_]

I like it

[@smithyMcjoe]

I remember when DBZ first aired in the UK we were around 7-8. My god we all tried so hard to get energy beam fights going 🤣 I've done so many rewatches in both English (Falcouner with Gohan sounding like he smoked 50 a day) and Japanese. Fuck yes Dragonball, fuck yes.

[@Bas_Brand]

There should be an edit of the original japanese, with filler removed. Now, not story filler mind you, but the millions of hours of long shots, face closeups and so on that are clearly just there to pad out time, due to the weekly schedule. DB is awesome, but watching the anime is honestly kind of suffering. Nothing happens every episode and the overall pacing is awful

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

I really couldn’t stand the DBZ Kai kid Gohan’s voice

[@freezasama5802]

Same here your not the only one she's far too grating for me personally

[@_rafaelsantana_]

​@@freezasama5802 I love his voice, I think Coleen did a really good job doing Gohan

[@freezasama5802]

@@_rafaelsantana_ nah I think Stephanie was better imo she made Gohan sound more serious rather than Whiny

[@jaydenlenzy3487]

@@freezasama5802I was never really a fan of the old chain smoker voice for Gohan or Frieza.

[@freezasama5802]

@@jaydenlenzy3487 says the British scooby doo ass villain for Freeza and the car screeching, chalkboard scratching sound for Gohan

[@SmushMaGush]

Funamation Dub was legendary and should’ve never been changed period

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

You're welcome for the video Quinn hahaha

[@humanconvertile]

Me and a friend have been watching Kai and the only thing that really puts me off are these random parts where they clearly redrew a few frames on a character, and the redraws for the vast majority of the time are terrible and out of place. It's so weird seeing the original footage cut to what looks like a vector redraw with over-saturated colors and linework that is completely flat and lacking in depth. It must be a unique version of Kai we're watching since I haven't seen anyone bring it up.

[@tyrannotherium7873]

And true the only problem I have is that Kai is censored but hey at least there's blood in the uncut version and yet people in our society are sensitive to everything

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

That's only the 4kids version

[@tyrannotherium7873]

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD the NickToons and 4kids did not have blood

[@ShockToYoSystem]

Kai and the internet brung in canon this manga that but to us everything was z in the show when we watched it no debunking no cannon no kai nothing just db. Filler to me shows what goes on in the background and adds an extra layer to the story, plus many things that hapoen in filler was brought up in cannon episodes which defeats kais purpouse lol,

[@ShockToYoSystem]

I can add many more details etc but don't wanna type it all quaaman sums everything up well⚡️ also I watched all sub dub and love all my only thing is the kai tfs filler manga war mess

[@bigchillinpodcast]

The OG fans are nodding and honestly these types of videos where you speak from the heart are some of my favourites

[@dragonballgacha]

To the people who are irritated by Dragon Ball being censored nowadays: it ain't their fault. DB Kai and DBS are censored the way they are for 2 reasons. One, they both air on Sundays at 9AM like One Piece, rather than Wednesday nights at 7PM like DB, DBZ and DBGT. This means that a lot of kids are gonna be watching DBS, and they can't get away with as much stuff. And two, because Japan's censorship laws aren't the same and because Dragon Ball is a global media franchise now, this means that Toei Animation has to make changes to the series that make it easier to market worldwide. TL;DR Kai is censored because new timeslot + censorship laws + globalization.

[@ItsJustFox]

Honestly, the only thing I hate about Kai are the actor changes for Gohan, 18, and Frieza. With Gohan and Frieza, even after all this time, their new voices just don't sound right to me and I doubt they ever will. Nadolny will always be my kid Gohan/ Goku and Linda Young will always be my Frieza.

[@Butterism]

Kai is what got me into Dragon Ball as a whole. I can remember it clearly. Clicking on to Nicktoons and immediately become enthralled with Dragon Soul. Becoming blown away with Piccolo and Goku vs Raditz. Setting my alarm every Saturday morning so I can catch the next episode. Bitting my nails through the Namek Saga and the fight against Frieza. All very fond core memories. Then I googled Dragon Ball because I didn't want to wait for the next episode (right after Goku went Super Saiyan) and discovered the OG series. It was all downhill from there. After falling in love with Dragon Ball as a whole, my brother got me the ENTIRE og series Box Set for Christmas. So when I think nostalgia, I think Kai.

[@bobbylingling4158]

Bruce faulconer music hits Differently

[@creategreatness8823]

On paper, Kai is better in every objective way. IN EXECUTION it was very poorly handled. If Kai was JUST Z but with restored/remastered image, edited down and redubbed. That would be fine. If it was done as some "Manga Cut" alternate viewing mode on a DBZ blu ray, with the same options of being able to watch in English or Japanese with the Japanese or English music...that would be fine. The issues I have is the insane visual and aesthetic inconsistency of Kai. A new opening, new eye catches, new closing, remastered sound design. All new. Then the main body of the series is still a vintage anime with the vintage Kikuchi score. Oh, with some randomly newly re-animated shots and scenes. It makes the main show and music feel even more dated when it is spliced into these brand new openings, eye catches, and re-animated shots. It pulls you out of the experience. At least Z...full on original Z, is a product of its time...both the Japanese and American version, and you can appreciate that "time capsule, representative of its era" nature that it has....but at least it is that in a 100% consistent way with itself.

[@NeroPiroman]

The lack of filler is the only reason to watch kai for me

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I grew up with the Toonami era of DB, literally the first episode of DBZ I ever saw was SSJ Goku vs Frieza back in late 2000. I watched the show religiously until GT where I dropped off for years. I don't have too much of a problem with Kai, it's only Gohan's voice and some of the brain dead censorship nonsense that irritates me, getting rid of most of that filler was a good decision, because I explicitly remember during those old days, (especially Namek) getting bored as fuck throughout a lot of filler episodes. Especially that Ginyu frog stuff, literally fell asleep back in 2000-2001 during that part.

[@Von_D]

I don't know if it's been done in detail, but as a Japanese learner, I'd love to compare and contrast the Japanese DBZ and Japanese DBK unsubbed, both for actual script (not translation) changes (like Gohan originally saying "Kamehameha" during his first fight with Vegeta while performing a move that's always been called "Masenko" in every other Japanese DBZ media ever), and for a comparison of performances. That's one reason I always appreciated a faithful story mode in the games. From the audio quality difference alone, you'd usually be able to tell those weren't lazily ripped from the anime. Kai gives a fuller context to the scene as part of its aim was to cut out inessential fluff rather than just make a set of fight cutscenes by cutting out the scenes not directly related to the fights the way the games did. Granted, I haven't watched Kai in Japanese all the way through since I end up gravitating towards the true original anyway, but hey, if I'm bored enough, that's one piece of Dragon Ball media for me to go to.

[@aaroncross6874]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. There's nothing wrong with filler in dragon ball! Sometimes it's bad but other times it also shows that they have a life outside of dying and coming back to life after fighting a super bad guy. It's nice to have breath of fresh air in a story. And as a guy like me who likes watching tokusatsu. I've also watched the Japanese version of Dragon ball & Z & Super. It doesn't bother me. Hell if anything it made center arc's feel so much better to sit through. And some not so much. But with every good filler there's bad filler too.

[@ScienceMagicStudios]

my only gripe is the absolute re-coloring of scenes, the censorship like middle fingers, and im not really a fan of monica rial's bulma, not her as a person or her other characters, just bulma, always loved volmer's voice, and of course nadolny as both goku and gohan. i really love the old cel animation, i just want a 4k upload of the original for god's sake

[@hearyeitskingj]

Dragon ball Kai does indeed suck! Ocean Dub for the win!!!

[@brad2881]

As an OG DBZ fan, Kai is infinitely better than the filler filled mess of the original DBZ. The music was better but that’s about it

[@JolteonSurge]

I was 9 when Kai came out. It was my first exposure to Dragon Ball in English besides maybe the games. I had watched it in the Latin dub when I was even younger. But for me, Kai on nicktoons is gonna be the toonami Z for the ones older than me.

[@Idkitzjushdc]

Disclaimer: watched your video in its entirety. Respectfully, Kai is still the better version though. It might not be for the ones who keep looking through the eyes of nostalgia but it is for the ones that aren’t looking through set lenses. Due to the Kai version following the manga events more closely. I understand your points with the censorship, picking up the manga, watching sub for real authenticity, and the filler making Z it’s own unique story from the manga, but let’s be honest here, some folks aren’t going to do that and some won’t sit around watching filler. Unless, they grew up watching the original Z like you did. Yes, you can look up a filler guide and skip set episodes but it would be better to just watch Kai over Z even if there is censorship between Kai and Z. I personally, don’t like the fact that the Uncut version is censored but it is what it is. I think it would’ve been better to title this video “Kai sucks for 90’s Z fans” instead of this title you went with. Especially, if you’re going to focus more on your generation than mine.

[@spacekeno4435]

Kai is better than Z simply because it doesn’t stall that much. Shit actually gets done in 1 episode.

[@PunchSuccaa]

I've always hated the replaced gohan voice

[@TheArmandHammer]

A lot of people also like to shit on Kai's music however it had a score made by Kenji Yamamoto before he was caught plagiarizing. Amazing music that definitely mixes faulconers techy feel amd kikuchi's traditional feel and combining that with the "uncut" version of Kai definitely makes DBZ Kai a treat to watch :)

[@Maraki-san]

Z > Kai

[@bradleyvaughn1991]

Is Bulma actually topless when Yamcha peeks in the camper shower at her? I assumed she was always covered by soap?

[@QaamansLand]

Not in the ORIGINAL UNCENSORED JAPANESE Manga version.

[@bradleyvaughn1991]

@@QaamansLand huh. Cool. I have the English box set of the manga. I guess it is “soaped” lol I will double check

[@presidentc4]

I watched Z as a kid and Kai as a teen. Love em both. As a dubby tho, i prefer Kai

[@exaunitive4948]

I am an og fan watched the z dub at least 20 times started watching z when I was 7-8 and kai when I was 9-10.... ............ ......... I prefer kai(and yes the version I watched of kai was the toonami version)

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

NGL i like the way blue popo looks it's funny to me haha

[@randomthrowawayaccount7721]

even as an OG fan, I appreciate Kai for giving us a dub script that is much improved with much better performances from the retained VAs even if some are new, with a lot better pacing, I understand that the censorship / va changes / no faulconer ost is a deal breaker for some though and thats why OG DBZ is always nice to have

[@marcjigz9299]

I love how diverse the fandom is ❤

[@swagnifcent9022]

I personally believe I’m not bias to nostalgia of the dbz, I like the early seasons of dbz Kai. Do I think dbz Kai is better than its ancestors, no. You want to know why!? Because back in the day multiple English dub studios was creative with their dialogue even though it’s inaccurate to the source material, I can say pretty confidently that kids or children do not care about how accurate was dragonball Z back in 90s when they was watching it. Kids did not critique every single misinformation or inaccuracy while watching dbz on Saturday mornings, most of the kids around my neighborhood didn’t even know dragon ball was an anime. They just assumed it’s another cartoon, so when you watched cartoons you are not constantly analyzing the logic, errors, and inaccuracy. You watch cartoons for fun, and that’s the perspective majority had while watching dbz in the 90s. You watch dbz for fun as long as it’s fun then all the other aspects or elements are irrelevant or not needed. Whenever I want to watch anything dragon ball related I want to feel like a kid again, so me turning my brain off is a necessity so I could experience my childhood again and again, I don’t like the feeling or having the perspective that I’m in reality just watching tv, no! I like the feeling I’m a part of the dragon ball world. That’s the biggest flaw of dragon ball super, very often dragon ball super’s obvious inconsistency takes you out of the immersion. Dragon ball super tries very hard to hard to be so technical that it shoot itself in the foot mores times than I could count. My problem with dbz Kai is specifically with the final chapter but overall I have an issue with their choice of dialogue, sure dbz Kai is more accurate. But being accurate isn’t always better, I value creativity over accuracy when I consume a product. If you are able to be creative while keeping the narrative accurate to the source material, than hey we got the best of both worlds. But when accuracy restricts or overshadows creativity then I personally can’t imagine how the product would be fun to consume because at the end of the day i am a consumer, and a consumer doesn’t want to be consuming accuracy every single time,being more accurate doesn’t create excitement. Creativity does! So my examples or bullet points of compare and contrast creativity to accuracy with dbz and dbz Kai and a little of dragonball. Most of the banter from dbz to dbz Kai are so different, the banter of dbz Kai are lack luster and boring compared to original dbz. Dbz Kai maybe more accurate but the banter suffers considerably, banter is a good aesthetic to a fight scene especially with dragon ball because they talk a lot in between fights. So engaging banter is a necessity to dbz Kai in which they lack, despite this criticism it’s understandable because the jokes,banter, and the way they talk is far different in Japan and in America. Jokes and banter doesn’t translate well over in America. So when yamcha in dragonball after he hit goku with the wolf fang fist and then goku went flying into four or five rocks, said in the English dub “unless you don’t want to go to sleep amongst the rubble don’t provoke me again” that banter doesn’t translate over in Japan, it just won’t be received as funny over in Japan but over in America it’s hilarious. But in the English sub yamcha said “do you want the fist of the wolf fang again” I don’t know about anyone else but I prefer what yamcha said in the English dub than what he said in Japanese base on that example, and that example has carried over to vast characters in the series that have banters or speeches overall. But most importantly to the characters that speeches and banter are their core characteristics such as vegeta. Vegeta in dbza Kai banter and speeches are lack luster and bland compared to dbz, vegeta’s speeches is a testament of creativity and liberty of the English dub studios. That aspect was one of the best dub change that should’ve remained intact throughout dbz Kai despite how inaccurate it is. That’s my opinion on that, accurate to the source material isn’t always better especially when creativity exceeds or be as good as the original source material.

[@Zenith8896]

Dragonball Z Kai doesn't have Pikkon so.......that automatically makes it mid.

[@spaminacan5232]

Note: I actually got into DBZ and Kai at the same time so I feel my opinion on it is a bit unique and unbiased. I watched Kai on nicktoons while also watching Z (depending on my circumstances or how I felt that day). And the little bit of censorship that IS in uncut Kai, isn't because of Kai. It's because of the softy times we live in so I can't hold that against them Sorry Qaaman but i gotta disagree with this one. To me, overall Kai is fundamentally better if you watch it uncut. Most of the OG actors are back and have improved a lot since Z. The dialogue is MUCH better (I find most of og Z's dialogue cringe) and manga accurate, the pacing was superior, and for me not having nearly as much filler is a bonus. Most of DBZ filler is absolute garbage, but if i do wanna watch some like the driving episode ill do just that. Otherwise I'm watching Kai. Chris Ayres is the best Freeza hands down (rip) Only thing in Z i prefer over kai is the score, and the voices for Android 18 and Gohan. And to me, Kai isn't completely useless because not everyone prefers to watch subbed (like me), and there are feelings/layers of emotion that you can pick up on in voice acting that isn't so prominent and obvious from just reading a manga. Plus, Kai doesn't have ZERO filler, it still has a bit to establish world building. I'd say it's a tad too little filler but I'd take that over the abundance of God awful filler I put myself through when watching Z

[@----x-----]

I watched the latin american dub I got no preference for either english dub but I still prefer the OG because a lot of the filler was fun and some actually adds meaningful elements that enhance the story. yeah there's some silly ones but I can look past those. namek does go for too long, specially the bulma frog parts, those I do wish were cut lol