Dragon's Dogma 2: PS5 Pro Tech Review - Big FPS Boosts But PSSR Issues Need Fixing

[@dutchguy1807]

Didnt expect this many games to have issues with PSSR. One thing developers should do is leave the old modes available on PS5 Pro. Avatar for example has new Pro modes with a lot of shimmering and no way to play the base PS5 modes.

[@concinnus]

They just shouldn't release PSSR modes until they're ready. It's not like there's a sales timing window to meet. And if the PSSR modes are unambiguously better, as they should always be unless the original solution was great (TSR; CoD), the old modes are only of academic interest.

[@drober8588]

​@@concinnus That's the thing, PSSR isn't better it seems. It needs super high input resolution to be decent. Maybe in a few iterations it will be better.

[@fenixa2z936]

You don’t expect for PSSR at what, version 1.0… to have issues? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TW-bh2mi]

That’s not how development work these are games that have already released . The best way to improve pssr is to have as many games implement it so all the issues can be logged and fixed over time. If these games don’t use it it will take much longer to find and fix the issues. I wish this site and others did a better job at explaining this

[@dutchguy1807]

@@fenixa2z936 i expected issues, just not this many like i said.

[@TheGoncas2]

Is it likely that PSSR gets fixed and improves over time? Yes. Should people make purchasing decision based on future promises? Absolutely not.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Cry xbot

[@TheGoncas2]

@@pinny_wiz8090 Go back to bed kid, I've never even owned an xbox.

[@bdgrey]

First of all, no one is buying a PS5 Pro solely b/c of PSSR. Secondly, why shouldn't people consider PSSR in purchasing it? It's not "likely" to improve. It WILL improve, and it means that the PS5 Pro will age far more gracefully than any other console on the market.

[@DBTHEPLUG]

No one is buying a PS5 Pro for Dragon's Trashma 2.

[@Optim121]

Sony fanboys are so embarrassing. ​@@pinny_wiz8090

[@Ferreiro_André]

its crazy that we came from xbox 360/ps3 running 720p to xone/ps4 running games at 1080p to xonex/ps4pro running games at 1440p/4k back to 1080p for xseries/ps5 back to 720p on ps5pro, will next gen run games at 480p like the ps2?

[@pierreo33]

PC master race

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

​@@pierreo33 ooh ooh PC Raster Race 😮😮😮

[@-INFERNUS-]

480p upscaled to 4K, but still runs at 30FPS😂 Now that's progress.

[@evgenyyurichev]

cause lights and shadows render in real time (in past its just a rendered texture), more geometry on the screen.

[@billygunn6185]

No game is 720p on PS5 Pro

[@nicodimus2222]

PS5 Pro running at native 720p? Wow. Never saw that coming.

[@billygunn6185]

It's not running at native 720p though is it

[@那人冷靜一點]

​​@@billygunn6185it is, get educated and finish the video 😂

[@billygunn6185]

@@那人冷靜一點 No it's not, that's an internal resolution you never see 🤣

[@Gordond2009]

@@billygunn6185 Ok, PS5 Pro running at a native 720p internal resolution? Wow, Never saw that coming. You are arguing semantics, however its still the same complaint. Only being able to run at a 720p internal resolution on a $800+ console is kinda meh.

[@billygunn6185]

@@Gordond2009 Series X is $600 and can't even get to 720p 🤷‍♂️

[@TheSparkynuts]

Oh my god, it just hit me, PS6 games are still gonna be 1080p in performance modes, aren't they 😅

[@urmomma2688]

Normally, consoles are equivalent to low-midrange pc parts and that's the baseline promise of that level of hardware, for the couple of years a gpu generation lasts

[@d4mterro320]

You want them for 400€ or less dont you

[@Dani-kq6qq]

Ps5 pro is 700 and you play at 862p in current gen only games.​@@d4mterro320

[@Pulverizer2000]

​@@d4mterro320haha lol

[@paccacio2935]

Yeahp😎😎😎

[@TheAlderFalder]

So, basically, if I buy a PS5 Pro, I will need to watch a Digital Foundry video for half an hour to figure out what mode I should play for my game?

[@InnerRise]

Or Google.🙄🙏🏿

[@kiisseli1337]

"Players don't have to choose between performance and fidelity mode anymore!" -Mark Cerny

[@bdgrey]

Or you can just play the game and mess around with settings like pc players have done for decades. It’s really not a big deal

[@emperordeath]

@@bdgrey console doesnt have settings lmao

[@bdgrey]

@@emperordeath You’re commenting on a video that shows a game with various graphical settings and the option to turn Ray tracing on or off. Good job

[@puregarbage2329]

Upscaling from 720p in 2024 is crazy.

[@Whiteshade]

what do you expect from a console? 4k native?

[@chirazi]

@@Whiteshadein 2024 yes ofcourse. Almost getting into 2025. Im sorry but consoles are played mostly on big tv’s. So playing in 720p is a joke

[@mclarenf1gtr99]

Imagine playing at 720p in a 800€ console. Yes the true evolution

[@billygunn6185]

It's not 720p though is it

[@druid3694]

Why would i imagine that?

[@那人冷靜一點]

@@mclarenf1gtr99 with the pissass5pro, you don't need to imagine 🤣

[@GamingIndex]

@@billygunn6185 720p native render is still 720p native render. Any upscaling doesn't count towards true performance draw on the hardware.

[@billygunn6185]

@@GamingIndex wrong, reconstruction does use gpu power. Upscaling is not the same as reconstruction, a TV does upscaling

[@loost68]

I hate that in 2024 we are still upscalling from 720p

[@fcukugimmeausername]

I figured out the PS6 marketing. "Introducing PlayStation 6! PlayStation 5 Pro performance without the PSSR problems"

[@elophostia]

I love how these graphics modes are getting more and more confusing. Playstation technical department promised that the PS5 Pro will make the performance mode just as sharp as the graphics mode on PS5, but instead we got even more issues. Games still are beind upscaled from 720p, but now we have RT, right? What about "8k ready" sticker? Aren't we more that ready now? Good job, Sony 👍

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data collection?

[@Schlock3000]

Remember when the claim was that we don't have to choose anymore between quality and performance mode? Some games fulfill that claim by just having one mode that looks worse than before. The other games have 5 modes which is more confusing than before.

[@gabrielcunha2260]

Well, there are games with 8k resolution on ps5 pro, No Man's Sky is an example

[@那人冷靜一點]

​@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki more like dlss 0.5😂

[@luism8130]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_mukiit’s nothing like DLSS 2 or 3. More like a bad XeSS beta.

[@theanimerapper6351]

Calling it "pisser" was more accurate than expected

[@fullauto86]

TRUTH

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

This is why Mark Cerny didn't give a full tech presentation on this mid-gen refresh of the Pro. Because he had to be aware of these shimmering and image break-up issues. PSSR is not coming to Playstation without some warts, and Sony knew this ahead of time

[@Gungrave123]

@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP genital warts

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP Sony misleading their fans once again. You have to sit back and appreciate how good Sony is at it, they ALWAYS find a way to hype up their tech-ignorant fanbase.

[@jez49647]

Pow! Right in the pssr.

[@DrJones20]

Why use PSSR if it makes the game look worse?

[@valonfazlija889]

@@DrJones20 well in this case it really don't it make it better specially on balanced and grfix mode DF just like to nit pick everything now days

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data aggregation?

[@FelipeMach]

PSSR is AI learning machine. It needs to be in use to learn and develop.

[@Loundsify]

I think it's just it needs a base resolution of at least 1920x1080 to really be useable.

[@killerklinge52]

​@@Loundsifyyes. Demon souls remake runs at 1440p/60fps on base, but on pro it really looks like 4k with pssr because the input resolution is higher, with the better graphic card of the pro demon souls remake maybe even runs at 1600p upscaled to 4k, but i can say the image is flawless

[@Verdant_Eternity]

Sony have absolutely dropped the ball with the ps5 pro. I believe the goal and promise was to not have to choose between graphics and performance but now we have more unclear, debatable and some subpar choices. Why? I just want the graphics mode on the ps5 to run more stably and with a better frame rate as a minimum and more ONLY if those criteria/promises are addressed. This is Sony taking advantage of players and customers as potential test subjects for their next 'proper' console.

[@leerobinson8376]

So another downgrade on the £800 PRO console, Sony are taking the piss

[@JamieRobert_]

720p on a £700 machine is wild

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

This game has alot of the same problems on machines that cost ALOT more.

[@Crimsongz]

@@steveybiggunzgaming8118 No it's way better on those machines especially with frame gen lol

[@SavantGardeEX]

It's the devs and games issue, not the hardware lmao. It can't even do 1440p 60 on a 4090 😂.

[@PepGuard-tp4ny]

Not having 700$ when you are 40 is wild too.

[@otto5423]

@@SavantGardeEX bullshit i have 4080 i get always +120fps using 1440p resolution.

[@Abyssalll]

2019: Capcom releases DMC5, a visually stunning game that runs flawlessly in 60 fps on a base PS4, a console that runs TLOU2 in stable 30 fps. 2024: This shitshow.

[@Crimsongz]

One is a linear game the other is not.

[@Hello123-b7l]

@@Crimsongz still not an excuse. It's a full priced aaa game from a big company. Also ps5 and xbox series consoles have better cpus so they should run open world games way better than last gen.

[@twinstarunruly4129]

​@@Hello123-b7lYea they always find excuses bro 😂😂

[@alumlovescake]

@@Crimsongz DD2 doesn't even look THAT great.

[@alumlovescake]

DMC5 in cutscenes looks great but in gamplay I would not say its "visually stunning" though it definitely still looks good and runs well for how it looks.

[@toastyburger]

Thank you for these PS5 Pro videos. It savea me from messing with settings to find out what they do. Keep up the good work!

[@AgentRupal]

Sony : You don’t have to choose between graphics modes give us 800$ Here are three confusing modes, none of it runs at locked 60 😅

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

You absolutely dont need locked 60 if you have vrr. This game doesnot run locked 60 on majority of cpus. And also nothing confusing. You have beter gra[phics or better fps.

[@ccotunai]

720p upscaled to 4k? .... for a 800 Euro ''Pro'' device? madness... of course it flickers like crazy

[@mikemuponda1781]

Owning a console especially the ps5 pro has ironically become more PC like than console & made things more complicated whereas the whole point was consoles are supposed to be simple plug n play!

[@luism8130]

That was never the point of consoles. Don’t know why people keep saying that, consoles were always living room entertainment. They were never an “anti pc” movement. For example the entire point of the original xbox was to bring Windows and direct X to the living room. Consoles are pcs with custom operating systems and hardware, but the gap is bridging closer and closer. Starting with PS5 and series X there really is no point to owning a console. A better experience can be had on pc.

[@javier3108]

Thanks for the thorough analysis, Tom

[@javier3108]

@pinny_wiz8090 chill, dude, I'm not a bot, I report them myself whenever I spot them. I sincerely think Tom is one of the best at Digital Foundry. Peace.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

@@javier3108okay sorry bro

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

Unoptimized game.

[@Sam-Fisher]

indeed

[@solipsist3D]

Incredibly fun game

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

@@Sam-Fisher but not a bad game by any means

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

@@solipsist3D yes

[@Draiver165]

Game looks like ass and runs like it

[@X2Jason86]

I think it's time to admit that Mark Cerny isn't the technical savant the fanboys try to make him out to be.

[@winslowpippleton7157]

even dlss doesn't look good from 720p to 4k in motion...PSSR Really needs to hit 1080p before using PSSR.

[@LianCasablacks]

And DLSS has a 7 year advantage, I feel that PSSR is doing okeyish considering it's the 1.0 version. I just hope that it doesn't take Sony too long to update PSSR.

[@corey_massey]

Shhhh...you aren't supposed to say this....the PC fanboys will come after you and call you a Sony shill and fanboy making excuses for PSSR, even though you are 💯 percent correct....even in the current model of DLSS going from 720p to 4k creates image breakup.

[@alumlovescake]

I would say at 1440p dlss quailty is the only good looking one. at 4k balanced is ok but not anything lower and in some games any form of dlss looks complete garbage

[@winslowpippleton7157]

@@alumlovescake 4K dlss in performance mode looks better than 1440p native, somewhere like 1600p. at least when I was using it on my set up.

[@samgoff5289]

@@corey_massey is your point that the pro model is a useless ripoff because i agree upscaling from low resolutions looks terrible and fsr is already available for that dont need to spend extra to get sony inhouse fsr

[@Pyke64]

This is just one huge disappointment. A 720p image but it can't keep a stable 60fps? On a 1000 euro console?

[@Thor86-]

Thats a game developing issue. Even a RTX 4090 has problems with this game. Think before you write, don't write just to hate.🤦🏻‍♂️ It has in quality mode with 1440p resolution almost 50 fps. Why you dont mention that? Oh yeah you guys must hate on something. You dont wanna see the improvements.

[@cgray8267]

Developer …but I’m sure you know that 🙄! I have issues on my 4080

[@billygunn6185]

It's not a 720p image, where did you get that from?

[@aichan5235]

i have a 4080, and i still have issues

[@VariantAEC]

PS5 Pro costs $700. At worst, $810, including the $30 vertical stand peripheral that you do not need. In what fantasy land is it €1,000?❤

[@chrisLRL]

Starting to feel like i want a refund of 700 pound tbh. Diminishing returns era.

[@mefirstplease3676]

Then return it. Why did you wait for this video to come out to determine if you like the device?

[@kiisseli1337]

To us tech geeks the point is we get to be part of it, see the problems and if something cool comes out. Not for casuals. Problems are cool.

[@BJgobbleDix]

I am playing this game and made the jump towards the beginning from PS5 to Pro....its a significant improvement his didn't even need DF to analyze this one to notice the difference between lighting, resolution, and more importantly, frames. The game has been 10x more enjoyable to play with the Pro version. Last headaches from the crappy frames and choppiness.

[@GiBMan70]

Yep, despite it's issues, it's way better than base PS5 especially on balanced. DF themselves say that in this vid. It's quite sad how the poors are so desperate to hate on the Pro, trying to talk about 30fps modes and PSSR etc. Sour grapes and all that.

[@cube2fox]

I have to say, judging from videos, the exteriors in this game look so pretty. The global illumination, the muted yet realistic colors, the romantic distance fog, the pretty half-timbered houses, the wheat fields in the morning sun.

[@mag3slay4]

ReShade goes BRRRRRRRRR

[@flockelocke2297]

Okay buddy, I buy this game.

[@asmodeusml]

It's crazy that Sony hasn't stepped up and said anything regarding PSSR issues or promised to address it. Especially given that devs are removing the options to play in "old" modes on mass.

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

seems like pssr is a real bummer in its current state, the flickering that's happening in many of these games would drive me nuts.

[@themightyant.]

CHOICE is good. In some games like Silent Hill 2 the shimmering is unacceptable to ME (ymmv) but here I’d MUCH rather take a smooth frame rate and accept a little temporal instability.

[@caiuswolf7725]

I didn’t pay $700 for this!

[@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S]

Why are people upset with Remedy and Bloober and Respawn for not wanting to spend hundreds of thousands or millions on patching for zero ROI? Only Sony profits off the pro. Like 5 people will buy AW2 because of a pro patch, same with SHR2, Jedi, or any game that's been out for longer than a week. I don't understand how people acknowledge 1st party Sony studios have been able to deliver pro patches, but expect the same from external studios... 1st party studios are funded by Sony... like hello?

[@Garudaintruda]

The Ps5 Pro coverage thus far has been the most disappointing and entertaining yet.

[@Hezzadude12]

I don’t understand why DF has only just now noticed the RTGI flickering in this game with PSSR. It’s in the game with DLSS too - I play at 3440x1440 DLSS Quality and it’s 100% unavoidable and happens all the time, but you guys never called it out in your earlier coverage of the game for some weird reason. I don’t think it’s a PSSR problem, I think it’s a render resolution thing whenever the game drops below some set point (my theory is anything below 1080p internal causes this) no matter what upscale you use (TAA, FSR, DLSS and now PSSR too)

[@Loundsify]

Bingo. But it's easier to call a new upscale tech shoddy

[@funkDr1]

You think DF would miss an opportunity to paint PSSR in a bad light? Come on. They've shown a bizarre distain for the Pro even before it's official announcement.

[@EdoXTensei]

And there still are people around, who telling other people that they wrong when they say bad things about PSSR. No Doubt that PSSR was released way too soon, and Sony HAVE TO roll it back, and replace it with FSR or TAA, and then fix the PSSR.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data collection?

[@UFCWWE69]

⁠@@Boss_Fight_Index_mukicharging people almost 1k for data collection is diabolical

[@anasbm77]

Relaying too much on upscaling methods these days make the devs lazy to optimise their games

[@Mirec2x]

An 800 Euro console needs to render at 720p to be able to reach 60 with lot of artifacts. What a great engine this is - it can pretty much shake hands with UE5. We are going back to the era of x360/ps3 resolution, what a progress.

[@weatherfox1]

Pro keeps proving it isn't worth it

[@max_the_german4989]

An introduction by Tom without 5 sec of music in the beginning? I adore them, as I adore all of your videos. Please take your time, your videos are classics.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Nah Oliver is way better and much more attractive. Tom looks like one of Alex rent boys

[@Александр-э2ш3я]

@@pinny_wiz8090 Oliver is a mush mouth feel his spittle in my ear

[@TheIndulgers]

In 2004 I was gaming at a higher resolution and framerate than what the PS5 Pro delivers 😂🤣

[@schneckenwilly]

So John was right calling it PISSR even before release lol

[@GreekIrish]

Capcom used to be so reliable when it came to optimizing their games 😢

[@urmomma2688]

The performance uplift in cpu limited areas is very interesting

[@marrow94]

But but but Alex said the CPU is the same and it sucks! How could it be that now the performances are much better!?!?!?

[@urmomma2688]

@@marrow94 did he say it sucks? Doesn't sound like him at all. Anyway, it is entirely reasonable to think that a 10% overclock would only net at most 10% more performance. My point was that maybe this area wasn't as cpu bound as we thought it was

[@MrSorainu]

Logically, it is reasonable to assume that the CPU is not improving performance by only 10%, but actually by more than 10%.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Remember RT is GPU intensive but also CPU intensive and the ps5 pro is very good at RT relative to the base ps5, so if i was to guess maybe there were ray tracing related "operations" being done on the base ps5 cpu and these RT "operations" got transfered over to the gpu on the ps5 pro version so basically iam saying ps5 pro gpu takes some load off the cpu freeing some cpu resources, that's just my 2 cents on it.

[@SoftOtaku]

Exactly the video I was looking for. Disappointing but much appreciated.

[@n.i.gcode_name_nation3971]

It seems like Sony knew PSSR was at it’s early stages! Clearly not ready to market, yet they did it anyway…

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data aggregation?

[@discofabio5009]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki be honest in its marketing, at the least

[@SushiBandz]

If you had to throw Dragons Dogma 2 and Metaphor Refantazio in a most unoptimized contest, who's winning?

[@Mesjach]

Metaphor 100% DD2 can look good, at least. Metaphor looks like shit and runs like shit. (talking about the fidelity, not art-style, of course)

[@SushiBandz]

@ Absolutely agreed

[@alex.starostin]

PS5 Pro coverage is some of the most unexciting ever seen

[@JerryFlowersIII]

Lucky for me that the games I wanted to play had good upgrades and I can ignore the iffy ones.

[@Garudaintruda]

But at the same time the most entertaining lol

[@keyboard_g]

If Switch 2 has DLSS at half the price its going to be embarrassing for Sony.

[@Loundsify]

Don't expect DLSS to be some magic bullet. It's likely to also be upscaling from 540-720p to 1440p and that still will come with artifacts. I've been playing spider-man on PC at 1080p DLSS quality and there's always break up in some of the scenes.

[@Garudaintruda]

This console sums up this generation.

[@danielgebert4556]

Looks like the non-rtgi lighting in this game was almost an afterthought - it looks generationally different. For those who have this game and a ps5 pro, id imagine playing with RT is more enticing now, which is good. But for real, the side-by-side with and without rtgi looks like comparing a current and last gen version of the game.

[@cartermoth6447]

It's delirious to charge 800 euros for the Pro compared to 374 euros for the digital edition PS5 (on offer right now). Sony, what are you doing.

[@Blackson187]

The Pro just isn't a big enough upgrade to even justify its existence.

[@peterkevintaylor]

Those people who bought the pro, stand and disc drive in Europe for 1000 euros. They got scammed real nice. Sure PSSR may get better but it could take years. 😂

[@K.J._x8x_MMA]

😂 yeah it'll take 4 years about the same time they drop the ps6 😅

[@YanalFanio]

Loved each second of this content! You crushed it!

[@mrwalker6026]

DLSS >FSR >PSSR

[@jetsp]

Perfomance mode = a lot of artifacts and poor quality... upscaled to 4k..

[@nicolalibero93]

Wouldn't be interesting to see how much better the FPS would be without PSSR. Balanced mode seems the way to go

[@blusterya6540]

The PlayStation 5 Pro is a scam!!!! PLAYSTATION FANS IT'S TIME TO STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID 😫

[@realmatic10]

You just know they didn’t add the “Legacy” mode because it probably actually looks and runs better than this PSSR nonsense.😂

[@molsen7549]

So glad I passed up on the pro. This all would be way more forgivable if Sony sold it with a disc drive, or even for $50 less.

[@Keepskatin]

thebpronhas a detachable diac drive. All drive fail over time and the external drive can ve easy replaced, not the internal ps5 drive. Spend a little more for better options

[@Peacenutman]

All PS5 pro games should offer the option to turn on/off PSSR.

[@mateusbarao1761]

Sony actually got people to pay $800 to beta test their PS6 tech, incredible.

[@Keepskatin]

The future is modulation consoles, but these corporate people are slow to realize it. Stop releasing whole new console and pro versions. Just make your damn consoles upgradeable like pc, put of course you want it to be proprietary modules. Even so upgradeable proprietary is better and cheaper than 20 version of consoles; less e-waste too. Why cant you understand and accept the facts❗🙄

[@DBTHEPLUG]

Just like I'm paying to beta test path of exile 2. Nothing unusual at all.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

And you'll beta test the PS6 for the PS6 Pro owners and buy next-gen games day one to test, what's the difference?

[@DBTHEPLUG]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 Right. PS2 was a beta test for the PS3, the PS3 was a beta test for the PS4 etc. That's how technological advancement works.

[@Александр-э2ш3я]

@@Keepskatin keep dreaming

[@keyboard_g]

720p!!! More convinced the Pro is a waste and this tech might be acceptable by PS6.

[@OneUpWill]

PiSSR flicker strikes again.

[@luism8130]

The name makes sense now. I see why they called it pisser.

[@VariantAEC]

It's totally the fault of PSSR... which is why Tom showed the same flicker occurring on the base model PS5s that don't have PSSR, right?

[@stinyg]

It looks even worse than shown here on my 4k tv. The artifacts due to AI upscaling are clearly visible and distracting. Not good.

[@kuruptzZz]

This is one of the few PC games where DLSS looks horrible. Everything is just blurry AF. But DLSS 3 frame gen was a game changer. I can run it at native res ultra smooth with max settings. PS5 pro should've had amd frame gen at least

[@Crimsongz]

You can update the DLSS file

[@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S]

It's not native if you use DLSS tho.

[@happygofishing]

DLSS and TAA always look bad, there is no way to make them look good.

[@kuruptzZz]

@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S I think it is in this game. You can enable frame gen while disabling upscaling. So I think it's just native res and TAA. I can immediately tell the difference. DLSS upscaling has the exact same PSSR issue he describes here, with the grass especially looking blurry and pixelated

[@kuruptzZz]

@@Crimsongz yes I've done that. I use DLSS swapper

[@SsjHokage]

This may be unoptimized but we still haven’t seen the PS5 Pro enhancements detailed for Legend of Dragoon

[@orangezombies]

Glad I sat out PS5 Pro while collecting games for cheap waiting until PS6 to see the real upgrade of PSSR2.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

You’ll be waiting another 4 years minimum. Enjoy

[@Crimsongz]

@@pinny_wiz8090 thanks for beta testing

[@xMando25]

LOL, For 700 dollars you getting no upgrade. Ill just keep my $700!

[@Crimsongz]

PS5 Pro is like Russian roulette 😂🤣

[@h4l069]

graphicly speaking it looks like a PS3 game …. I haven't tried it but it looks fun though...!

[@C3D01]

Oh another PSSR issue... anyway...

[@BradJohannsen]

Another title DF once said was CPU bound yet here we are with a Pro console that doesnt have much of any CPU improvements and the game now hits 60fps.

[@GiBMan70]

ssshhhh you're only supposed to hate on the Pro in these comments :)

[@c2ashman]

How is PSSR not a rushed technology? This is embarrassing, Sony.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Only thing embarrassing in gaming is Phil Spencer’s Xbox

[@bdgrey]

DLSS went through the same growing pains. What do you think the "learning" part of "machine learning" means and requires? It needs to go through numerous iterations, and that means at some point bringing it to market. They can't improve it using a handful of testers.

[@DRILLYBEAMINxRR]

A dev currently working on a pro patch for a game has claimed there’s already multiple versions of PSSR. Same dev also said that is the likely reason for the inconsistency in its use & effectiveness because some updates are using newer versions of PSSR than others.

[@mmmccir5063]

now we have to wait for patches to fix patches. I don't know why no one is trying to add more graphical detail in the form of object sight distance, grass or shadows.

[@mikew1080]

Draw distance and shadows are usually more taxing on the cpu. Foliage can be as well. Not every visual element you appreciate can take advantage of the better GPU.

[@shadowstrangler1]

I don't remember the PS4 pro and one x having these many issues lol the hell was Sony thinking with PSSR.

[@solonepeon5805]

They were in the bathroom when they came up with this idea so it'll take time to clean things up 😂.

[@judsonfox4015]

Eh ps4 pro still had its share of problems, it just didn't seem as bad cause the price was far more reasonable

[@theeOnslaught]

@@judsonfox4015facts, these folks are killing me with this selective memory 😂

[@Mo-eh1bq]

PS4 Pro had issues with checkerboarding but it was so cheap that it wasn't really brought up. It was the same price as the PS4 when it launched and £100 cheaper than the Xbox One X. And the Xbox One X didn't have these issues but you were paying more for better quality. In the case of the PS5 Pro, you're paying almost double the price for worse quality.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Pssr when it works is the biggest upgrade for console gaming and will be the future for Sony. It will get better

[@bab027]

People who keep saying “bUt iTS 720p” truly don’t understand how upscaling works. But yeah, PSSR still needs work and devs need to understand that.

[@arturiaarthus8367]

even in performance mode, the CPU heavy game still drops below 60 fps on the pro. who would've thought ...

[@bdgrey]

It's still vastly improved over the base console and stays above 60 when you're not in a town. Balanced mode stays above 60 most of the time too, btw.

[@arturiaarthus8367]

@@bdgrey i've seen balanced mode take visible dips in combat outside of town and such. it's not as rosy as you make it out to be, not that an overly expensive console without a drive needs defending, mind you.

[@Keepskatin]

​@@arturiaarthus8367Not having an internal drive is a benefit....easy to replace because drives always die over time

[@arturiaarthus8367]

@@Keepskatin not a single one of my drives have died. my old ps2's, my old ps1, my decade old blu ray drive for my PC, my psp drives ... none of them are dead today, and most of them are over 20 years old by now. sorry but your argumentation holds absolutely no value. especially because there are no more extra drives to purchase for the PS5. all of them sold out until further notice.

[@DrwZacc]

Hopefully as PSSR matures and game Devs get a better grasp on AI upscaling technology we'll see improved results.

[@Bankoru]

Sad you didn't touch on the 3 levels of PSSR quality available, they make a huge difference in performance and image quality, and how Balance and Quality PSSR pretty much look the same despite Quality mode taking a ~10fps hit.

[@SalveMonesvol]

This game looks and feels like a perfect candidate for native 4k 60fps on Pro. You can't tell me this game, in performance mode, looks better than Ryse: Son of Rome. That game can do 4k60 maxed out on a Ryzen 7 2700X with an rx 7700 XT without missing a beat.

[@GeneTheCroc]

Are you seriously comparing a corridor-style scripted game with an open-world simulation-driven one? Ryze has lower requirements for a reason.

[@cmz1988]

60 fps is a hard target, if you don't reach it, everything becomes meaningless.

[@thejiamobile]

can't wait for ps10 to run super fidelity mode with ultra path tracing at 60fps with 240p resolution upscale to 4k ...

[@JensAllerlei]

720p on PS5 Pro 😂

[@timholloway8821]

We need to be able to turn of pssr, until thet get it sorted out. $800 plus and my old PS5 does a better job. Sony has shit the bed on this, str8 BS.

[@FSAPOJake]

PSSR really isn't very good yet. DLSS is basically free performance. Even back when 2.0 launched in 2020, you could very often turn it on and get the same or even better IQ than native res. PSSR is just not there yet. It can only handle games with no RTGI, no sub-native post-processing, and input resolutions of at least 1080p decently well. So, all the same limitations FSR currently has, and DLSS can easily mitigate or eliminate.

[@brandonm6786]

Base DLSS looked crap, what are you going on about? Don't be such a fanboy

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

@@brandonm6786 instead of being emotional, thing about what he said. "PSSR really isn't very good yet"... "yet." y'know implying it needs a bit of time. It's not negative.

[@ArchieBunker11]

@@brandonm6786DLSS 1.0 did, but lets not forget they were the trail blazers. DLSS 2+ was better than PSSR on day 1. Also, it has been better than FSR2/3 100% of the time, PSSR sadly, isnt. Dont act like Sony/AMD/Intel dont have access to hundreds of papers on AI and how DLSS works, it needed to be better than this.

[@FSAPOJake]

@@brandonm6786 DLSS 2.0, which is completely unrelated to DLSS 1.0 and works the same way PSSR does, has been very good since day 1.

[@mandrews6282]

This one’s a bit better than Ubisoft Massive’s issues with Outlaws and Avatar (I’m convinced they didn’t even turn these on before shipping them). Those are made sadder by them being dynamic resolution to being with, so they already looked and ran better on the Pro without PSSR. For DD2, the picture does look crisper and performance is definitely a lot better. But some of PSSR’s quirks do appear. It’s honestly not overly distracting in this one though and the benefits outweigh the cons for now. This is something Sony needs to address though as everyone is going to be stuck with these versions once the PS6 hits. Not to mention we haven’t had a console restricted upscaler before. On PC players can usually have control over this. Even in games that run well with PSSR v1, what happens when we are on PSSR v4 or something. Do developers need to keep going into every game to update the version? We all know that won’t happen. But either way they need to fix these couple problem games lest we all be stuck with them next gen. Devs need to stop just slapping PSSR on and shoving the ‘upgrade’ out the door. No upgrade is sometimes better. The only one to get it right ironically looks good with PSSR. Ragnarok allows players to actually turn off PSSR of they choose and use another AA method. The worst solution is Ubisoft, who have taken away all other modes. Meaning you get a worse image than Quality Mode on base consoles, and you have the PSSR fizzle to boot. I have to stress most games look great. But these problem games are big problems and something needs to be done about how these go about being released.

[@Thor86-]

On PS6 we will have a magic button and the PSSR will look perfectly fine.

[@colinparks619]

Pssr needs sorting soon , it was one of the reasons to buy the console

[@ceaserknk6640]

Its this game lmao every other ps5 pro enhanced game looks awesome. This game is just shit looking in general

[@jon....]

@ceaserknk6640 It is not just this game. Alan Wake 2 and Silent Hill 2 both have the same issues with their PSSR implementation. PSSR is just not very good.

[@NotCharAznable]

I’m sure it sold well but idk how Capcom dropped the ball with this one. It could have been so much more.

[@parsa4755]

Exchanging image quality of the base machine with an Improvement in frame rates on pro which costs you 200 bucks more. Such a joke

[@JackJohnson-br4qr]

Actually $325 more. And in Europe €425 respectively. The PS5 Pro $700. The base PS5 $375. In Europe the PS5 Pro €800. The base PS5 €375.

[@kiisseli1337]

@@JackJohnson-br4qr Yes. And here PS5 Pro is 850€. And PS5 digital has been 300€.

[@ewenturnbull5053]

Makes you wonder if frame generation mixed with balanced mode would be a good idea for people with a vrr display.

[@stevedave7617]

Amazing, 3 different modes, none with a locked frame rate.

[@backslashio]

Just give us the option to disable PSSR - either by Sony or game companies. Its clear that in most games there's no advantage to using it until it matures and it causes unwanted flickering

[@daromanse]

In short: PS5Pro is not objectively better. PSSR does not work. The framerate improves in part due to the reduction in native resolution, which is lower than that of PS5.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data aggregation?

[@Geos147]

Takeaway: play it on balance mode.

[@mrweasel]

The heck does this game need to run from 720p to get to 60fps? It looks nice, but not that nice.

[@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom]

720p will be more heavy on the CPU, that's why this game runs at 1440p.

[@XeNoZNAK]

"Dragon's Dogma 2" is a masterpiece! However, it desperately needs optimization and a DLC to expand its already impressive world. On another note, the PS5's lifecycle needs to wrap up soon. It's becoming increasingly clear that its CPU is lagging behind the competition, and Sony is well aware of this. The time for a PS6 is drawing near!

[@jamestonjes8263]

Fucking wild PS5 Pro running games at resolutions equivalent to the swtich, an underclocked potato even at launch