The Origin of Teyvat's Gods | Genshin Impact Theory

[@vr4893]

Bro is trying to get executed by celestia and he's bringing all of us down with him 😭

[@I_am_high_as_the_flipping_sky]

Sleep with both eyes open. You never know when a comically large nail hits your house💀

[@nicolas._.2294]

F4

[@emery120]

It was a good run ladies and gentlemen o7

[@ShirouE]

Man… Just imagine the amount of stuff Zhongli knows and is hiding from us.

[@Cryptexi]

He has a “contract” so he can’t

[@donkey_mediocre7246]

He got an nda with hoyo

[@xelloskaczor5051]

@@Cryptexi excuses!

[@ZetaMoolah]

His contracts are theee biggest cop out in the gaaasme

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

the ultimate goal of the arduous journey of becoming an Adeptus is to seek the truth of how the world works. you better believe the prime and most accomplished of all the Adepti know A LOT. Thus, the "contract" with Celestia to keep his silence.

[@hugenose8824]

Good to see someone tackling this topic. Teyvat’s “gods” have always bothered me. Where did they come from? Are they effectively one “superspecies” like different dragons are? If not, then what classifies them as “gods?” Why were there so many? What necessitated the Archon War? Why was the Archon War seemingly a non-issue in Sumeru? Why did Natlan wind up with a human Archon, what happened to their gods? If they were planted by Celestia (which seems to be implied by Orobashi being of the Human Realm), why? This’ll be fun to watch as I am largely quarantined this holiday with COVID.

[@iosis9324]

Because there were literally three super Gods and whole dendro Sovereign in Sumeru who fought off all the other Gods from their territory, and we know that many Gods did tried to take Sumeru like Rimus who losed and escaped and other Gods who became remnants which are scattered all over the desert. You know, being an ordinary random god, there's not much you can do to be written in history when you fighting against God Angel, God King, God Irminsul and Dendro Sovereign. So far, the Natlan has not been completed and it is impossible to say for sure, from current information, Xbalanque became the Pyro Archon because he took all the power from the Pyro Dragon after killing him, and this happened because Sage prepared everything so that whoever kills the Pyro Dragon would receive his power, and then when Xbalanque became the Archon, Shade of Death was interested in him, and she changed the rules of becoming a Pyro Archon so that ordinary humans could become next Pyro Archon. And the Gods didn't come to Natlan because of the gigantic amount of Abyss after the War of Vengeance, the gigantic number of living ancient dragons, the presence of Shade of Death and the rampaging Pyro Sovereign.

[@nicolas._.2294]

Lol, have been wondering about the original of God's for freaking years!!!!

[@louloudaki_]

“at the time of the game’s events, only seven remain in pow- well, six” had me laughing so hard

[@akinohikari1000]

you know, Zhongli being a dragon who turned away from his kin to bow before the new world order would explain why Neuvillette is specially antagonistic towards "Deus Auri" in his voicelines; with the other archons he's like "nothing personal just business" but with Morax it's on sight! XD

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

You can read it like that, but he also said there is no physical fight that could transpire between them and I don't think a Dragon as motivated as him would put such restrictions on how he would react to an usurper if there wasn't a reason, but I don't beleive the reason is him being a dragon too... I don't think there is as much animosity as people believe for the sake of headcannon.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I hate this theory. It would be the absolute worst for his lore and render some of his relationships, interactions and integrity meaningless.

[@stargirl7832]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks How so? Asking genuinely

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@stargirl7832 Because his second story quest and the whole Adepti side of his lore gets completely dragged. As an Adepti he's supposed to have a lot of mystique surrounding his origins not being related to the gods or Teyvat, which could suggest that Zhongli comes from beyond. To go from all that to another ancient Vishap like the Sage or Och-Kan that betrayed their own kin would be lame. Especially after he had such a good relationship with Azhdaha and the Adepti you want to tell me after all that, now he's just some traitor, which would only prove Azhdaha's suspicions about him correct but in an even worse way. Nah man, that's totally lame. Zhongli as a Shade or Solar Chariot was way better lore than him being some random dragon traitor like the Sage.

[@stargirl7832]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Fair enough!

[@themadderhatter8528]

I do find it especially interesting concerning Morax as he is the ONE god who has seemingly chosen to “evolve”, as the exuvia is akin to that of like a shed skin I reference to an insect. I also find it interesting in that when he quotes Ei he almost seems to be doing so mockingly(?) or at least in a tongue in cheek manner. Another thing, I do find it interesting that a vishap with coral like tree limbs on its body DID in fact exist with azdhaha (another point for potential Geo Sovereign theory) Edit: I also find it suspect that when he talks of what he knows, he seems to imply that he is PHYSICALLY unable to tell you what he knows, not that he couldn't a lot of his word choice. How it's phrased implies his contract LITERALLY prevents him from saying anything. Which is interesting because NO other god has been placed under some such restriction. Of course this could also just mean he is smart enough not to push buttons to risk liyue, but lemme cope.

[@anaplaysstuff]

I've thought that about his contracts too. Like...yes, he's the "god of contracts", etc. But there's definitely a vibe from him when he refers to the contracts he is bound by that suggests that binding might be more literal than just, "I can't because I've got too much honor to break a contract I've made". Like on the level of "contracts" being for him what paths are to Aeons in HSR (I am not saying he is like an Aeon, that's not the point) since they can't sway from their paths (without dying or becoming nonexistent or something).

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

He said he always "honored the contract" I don't think he physically can't say, more that he has recieved something in return of his silence, afterall he's the hod of contract, and faireness. I mentionned that in another comment but the ultimate journey of an Adeptus is to understand the laws of the world. Of course the Prime of the Adepti had to know things that the common folk is not privy of. The most intriguing part is how he is still alive and thriving when other gods and people who knew as much were framed for blasphemy and are all dead and gone.

[@joncarlopaynor]

Ngl, I'm not going to be surprised if we end up discovering that this guy is Orobashi's human incarnate and is now revealing to us the truth about the Before Sun and Moon book; the very reason why he got slayed by Ei. 😂

[@emery120]

To escape the Heavenly Principles and show his discoveries, he had to dip out of Teyvat itself 😂

[@WhiteGold-tg1qj]

That last part where you talked about how Orobashi just stared into the distance silently while his people were rambling about their future ambitions hit me hard man… Imagine how miserable it is to find those tiny humans, save them, give them land and nation while simultaneously knowing fully well that every good deed you did for them was all a pre-planned scheme, leading to your own, inescapable, death.

[@Shush7717]

Bruh I felt so sad for orabashi I was almost in tears at the end. Reminded me of focalors sacrifice too.

[@ShirouE]

Yeah, it's a very good story. I wish Raiden's story quest focused on that tale.

[@graciesugarbee]

For a minute I genuinely thought I missed all the voice acting in the quest but then realized it was just him 😭 damn good job dude

[@nicolas._.2294]

That was him😭

[@Owudukan]

Everyone is a dragon dragons are dragons archons are dragons HUMANS are dragons YO MAMA IS A DRAGON ANYONE HERE NOT A DRAGON?

[@Mehetti]

Aether and Lumine: "uhhh rawr?"

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

​@@Mehetti Even they are dragons when they indwell Saurian's. Dragon Impact

[@jackinuzuki2890]

DRAGON DEEZ NU-

[@nicolas._.2294]

​@Mehetti now what are they actually? Oh no wait, I remember, they are stars right??? Not like that would be weird or anything

[@DedeTheHut]

Someone hit up Hoyoverse and get this guy to voice Waxaklahun in-game holy sheet

[@yahiabouslim9194]

this mam is cooking I was so sleepy and trying to sleep as i always sleep to genshin theory videos but the moment i got the the part where he started talking abt the archons being made from the dragon sovereigns and how it all made sense he literally sobered me up and all of a sudden i found my self no longer feeling sleepy and 100% concentrated with every word he is saying to try to understand since english is not my first language and i have to keep going back to understand and not miss any detail. man you are just too good its insane how you can get to all these conclusions just from a quote.

[@SwitzalGame]

I always has this "fiction" in my mind that one day, Zhongli would say to Neuvillette, "You know what? I am your older "brother". By "brother" means same race.

[@opalakv4ob]

This got me rolling xD I know Zhongli be avoiding Neuv like the plague and we all laugh about it. But imagine for a second that he would be like "show some more respect you hatchling!" like an asian parent/older figure would lol

[@SwitzalGame]

@opalakv4ob 😂 yeah something like that! " You naive hatchling! You don't know how this world operates! "

[@Acidreflux18]

My favourite genshin theorist easily

[@Pre4xes_]

Might be the best genshin theorist right now ngl

[@Alya43_4]

exactly! he explains so well without pulling out ridiculous and scattered references. His theories are always related back to the evidences he found in Genshin. He's my fav theorist now I'm glad I found his channel

[@Nezar_zetsu]

Been looking for gold all day man, thanks and merry Christmas to everyone who’s reading this.

[@genshin_lore_enjoyer]

18:50 HELLO? Amazing voice over!! I love it

[@VeraldoAncodini]

Yeah it's been hinted that the creatures of Teyvat (except vishaps) are humans mixed with dragons.

[@nicolas._.2294]

Hey this reminds me of that theory(also from this dude) about the humans being a mix of angels and idk what(the first civilization I mean)

[@P-rar]

Thank you for finally tackling this topic, especially since gods were made to kill each other more or less nonconsensually

[@lc53788]

Merry Christmas MNFN! Thanks for the Christmas morning video :)

[@ZECRA602]

Morax is a sussy ol' lizard

[@foxyfiend]

Im gonna need to learn Chinese atp bc I’m kinda tired of not getting the full meaning of things in genshin in English💀💀

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

Thank you ! it had been a while since but I always was one of the few ones who raised concern about the general interpreatation of what was mentionned in Neuvillette's vision story as "Fragment of the Primordial" as not traightforward but was met by dismiss. Also you mentionned Neuvillette giving Fontainians real blood, but I think Siegewienne's SQ shows clearly that still now, there are still layers of differences between Fontainians and other humans across Teyvat, mainly since they are still very sensitive to whatever is made from Primordial sea water unlike other people form the other regions, take that in account. My guess is THIS is the reason why Celestia was so against Oceanids becoming humans, since they are originally and ENTIRELY Draconic in Nature. Also I never believed Zhongli being a Dragon, but with what Xianyun's lore has to say about the "Adepti" having existed since the biggining of time, as well as him having the a right under contract not to talk about 'something' and that THE ULTIMATE JOURNEY OF AN ADEPTUS IS TO SEEK THE TRUTH OF THE WORLD which for you mentionned was deemed forbidden everywhere else, as well as him being the golden god and how's blood is used as a means of transmutation runs through the earth in a very eery way that throw back to what transpires in the HSR Golden Epic Trailer and how he also did devide the Chi of Yore to four aspects to tame them and dispersed his soul, body, mind... Afterall what remains of the Chi is a core sealee by some golden Adeptal contraption. I can confidently say that I now undescriminately eat anything that sounds remotely beleivable lmao.

[@falcon11man]

a 50 minute MNFN video!!!!! Santa is real :)

[@CrystalRubyMoon]

Remembering the fact that Celestia made Zhongli signed an NDA makes this video even more interesting.

[@darylz1497]

"a black serpent that holds genesis pearl" Serpent knights that turn into .... yeah and the herald says that dainsleif bringing someting more dangerous dan the immortality curse DID HE CARRY THE LAST KEY TO OUR PUZZLE GUYS?!

[@owohscorner]

In the book of Enoch, one of the Apocrypha, it is stated that God appinted spirits to things like rain, the winds, snow, xyz, and that things like angels also have their own duties, authorities, and powers. There are also Watcher, Angels who fell from heaven and had children with mortal men and women[Nephilim]. Also, when God flooded the earth, these Nephilim became disembodied and became spirit beings trapped on Earth... at least until judgement day and they are destroyed. Fun fact: from the Abrahamic persoective, given the Apocrypha, 8t 8s believed that the gods of other pantheon like: Greek, Egyptians, Norse Pantheons, and the Annunaki and Orisha are percieved to be these Fallen Angels, Nephillim, and disembodied Giants. So my personal theory is that the "gods" in Genshin Impact are actually of various independent origins, but they are essentially the children of the Shades, Seelies(Angels), and potentially some mortals. So there could have been some Shade-Human, Seelies-Human, or even Shade-Seelie unions that either intentionally or unintentionally created entities. Which is why they have demon names.

[@owohscorner]

This would also explain erosion, as humans- mortals are bound to only live short lives. So when a Human mixes with an immortal, their progeny is still bound to die because their natures, mortal and divine are conflicting with each other. And that doesn't mean a Shade or Seelie literally took a human lover, but there could have been a mortal element in their creation. Like how Rukkedehvata is the avatar of Irminsul, Venti is the son of Istaroth/from the 1000 winds, and Ei and Makoto were born from lightning(and I think the lightning struck a tree)

[@Carrotto]

you know it gets serious when the brother hanu theme's playing

[@geboaebo]

33:28 Wait IS THAT WHY SHE DROPS VISHAP BOSS MATS WHEN YOU BEAT HER IN THE QUEST??????? I remember noticing that and being so confused about what the implications were

[@anaplaysstuff]

Could be that or it could be because when that quest came out Shenhe was released and Shenhe needs those vishap mats and it's a pain to go get them for people who haven't unlocked Enka yet. But probably a little of both.

[@ReverseElectro]

33:28

[@geboaebo]

@anaplaysstuff I considered that too but it was only enough to get her past the first ascension so it seemed a little bit pointless. If they let us redo the fight for resin and she kept dropping the mats then maybe

[@geboaebo]

@@ReverseElectro thanks

[@ianholbrook6298]

I’ve been dying for someone to talk about this! I think there’s also another interesting thing about the gods that I haven’t seen anyone really make a video about, and that’s the eerie similarities between “the resentment of dead gods” and abyssal corruption. They seem the affect the world and living creatures in the same way and the methods for subduing and quarantining them are also pretty similar. Like the shrines on Yashiori Island acting like mini Celestial Nails, placed at specific points to hold down Orobashi’s resentment. I wonder if the Primordial One’s “blood” might in fact be Abyssal in its origin.

[@Anastasia_Clouds]

Hearing of the fragments of primordial origin driven to devour each other, I somehow thought of 7 elements which are destined to react and fight with each other in the game dynamics. Like, phlogiston and the primordial sea both have kind of starry/rainbow sheen. Primordial sea in elemental vision goes black (all paints mixed together), phlogiston is neutral (white, like all clear colors mixed into sunlight). And divorced from each other, orphaned, given away to different lands and divine hoards of elemental power, they can never become one again. Until the entity comes which can absorb all of them. Even the abyss.

[@henoji777]

We eatin good this holiday season. Thank you for the gift, mynamefornow!

[@RenakoAmaori]

Everything is made out of dragons even your mo-- cracked me up 🤣

[@Alya43_4]

I appreciate it so much that you put eng subs in your video. Thank you!

[@KaustubhBinwal]

The Dragon Sage DUB! Top notch!😁🤣

[@Paimonology]

The aztec analogy is on the spot👍

[@3u760]

"Everything is a continuation of the past." Not the exact quote, but that's probably what Dainsleif would like to say 🤔

[@gilgamesh3609]

5:27 around 6000 years in the past? Sound like the same age of a certain broke Geo Archon.

[@opalakv4ob]

Actually, now that you mention, the relation between snakes and dragons is like deeply rooted in chinese mythology, not only it was said that snakes would "cultivate" and grow legs over time, thus becoming dragons, there's also the myth of Nu Gua, half snake, half human, depicted as being the original ancestor of human kind. It is a chinese game after all, and it was very clear from the start to me at least, that they would somehow, give Zhongli a slightly more important role or significance as character (or archon) simply bc it's something cultural to them. They like to paint the self insert of their irl nation in a good light, so it makes sense - and I will DIE on this hill.

[@Efren_Salisi]

Thanks for the Christmas video~

[@sinclaire5479]

❤❤❤❤ Merry Xmas MNFN your the best. Thanks for the gift.

[@coltwgrice]

I just discovered your channel. Love your videos ❤

[@FractalsByX]

Been thinking about this topic for years. Great to see a video out. I'd like to see you try connecting this this theory with name-granted fates, Neon Genesis Evangelion lore, and Khemia.

[@iurypadilha]

Zhongli aka Seath the Scales, Genshin is Dark Souls anime, The Sustainer is Gwynevere, Celestia is Anor Londo, Khaenri'ah is New Londo, We are the Chosen Undead, The Abyss sibling is Artorias the Abyss Walker, The Tsaritsa is Velka Hilichurls are the Hollow We even have the Kiln of the First Flame in Natlan.

[@louloudaki_]

also why are statues of the seven still called that? after fontaine, shouldn’t they be statues of the six?

[@_Nyxus_]

I guess cause the statues of Focalors is still present. She WAS still an archon, the seat just can't be passed down for newer ones.

[@Noumi]

looking at asmoday's appearance and also how eternity(raiden) is closest to the first descender, doesnt that kind of point at the direction that the heavenly principles is kiana expy? (since raiden is closest to kiana in honkai)

[@Pre4xes_]

PO is probably kevin

[@DedeTheHut]

@@Pre4xes_ Ngl, PO might really look like Kevin

[@ChiefJusticeNeuvillette]

​@@DedeTheHut same I also had that thought for a long time....

[@xcaedes]

Thank you for the Ochkanatlan background music

[@lipsticktazor9015]

i love my name for now movies

[@RenakoAmaori]

WE are eating good holy 50 mins

[@shirlette8935]

Neuvillette looks like a human because of the energetic lines. Energetic lines are "terra-forming" Teyvat. This is what Phanes wants... In Natlan, the energetic lines are quite broken....so there are sauriens and dragons keeping their true appearance.

[@ironwoodkid9577]

50 MINUTES?!

[@antonjevi3139]

What about the origins of Ei? I remember reading that shes the most powerful manifestation of thunder and that the twin gods descended in Inazuma, but no mention of what type of being she is.

[@Schnubi]

50 minutes long theory video, housework gonna be so fun today

[@ni._.859]

Hehe best christmas present, I cant see this now but Im so excited haha btw I see zhongli I click

[@dear_totheheart]

Theoretical religious Genshin discourse, on the celebration of Christ’s birth no less, Merry Christmas to us!

[@Neyovinex]

Oh yes, next 50 minutes of my life will be awesome

[@apoorvjoshi2383]

A few things to note 1 - If the "demon name" is granted by Primordial one, how does Mavuika has one? Does the shades have enough influence on this power to at least pass this name from one person to another, how did she get the name Haborym..is the pyro archon lineage passing on two names Kingozi and Haborym both? Because while we know, the oceanid whatever her name may be, took on Focalors..but what was Egeria's demon name? Same for Buer and Rukkha. Also if i m not wrong, arent Baal/Beelzebul essentially the same? I will need celestia to explain this shit. 2 - When we say Zhongli is the oldest archon, is it with respect to the current 7 or as a whole? Because surely he cant be older than Egeria or Rukkha..they must have been there since before the advent of humans at the very least. 3-All gods are not made equal, if all of them are the fragments of Primordial one, why are they all different in strength and what defines how much strength one would posses? There were gods like Morax, Decarabian, Amun and Remus, that were called "God Kings"..did they have "more" than average strength from the Primordial one? Is this what it means when Amun declined the gift from heavens? Aka he was given a head start like Morax and Decarabian and yet he refused the opportunity to establish himself as the sole ruler of sumeru? the whole reason Remus left sumeru was not because he was afraid of Scarlett King but rather that, he could not defeat him and did not want to be under him either. This only leaves him one option, either somehow kill him or just leave. Perhaps he did not consider the option of co-existence like Amun wished with the heavenly goddess and rukkha. 4- How did a lot of them originate? Morax could very well have been a qiling/dragon adepti who received the demon name and grew powerful.. Venti was the wisp of the shade of time, hence gained a sentient form. Rukkha was an incarnate of irminsul, Egeria was created by Shade of Liffe and Focalors in turn was created by her. So what species are Raiden twins? Amun? Remus? even decarabian or Guizhong? Andrius or orobashi seems to be the case similar to zhongli, perhaps they were a very prominent and powerful wolf or serpent(remember there are serpent dragons too..like Waxaklahun Uba Kahn) who received the demon name..what what about rest of the "humanoid" gods? 5- Our sibling said, that 500 years ago, heavenly principles took action. IF his fragments were devoured much before than that, why did our sibling say that? Did the shades take action on their behalf? Or did primordial one truly did exist till 500 years ago and has gone into slumber right after the cataclysm? 6- If visions are external foci granted by gods to potential god candidates(aka like Venessa or Guhua, they would joint the ranks of the gods) why did Neuvilette grant a vision? Why are visions even handed? Why are allogenes even targetted? The archon war happened to eradicate all gods except 7, now you are looking for and nurturing god candidates? My guess..the war never ended. The war is still going on, and Venessa nd Guhua were two allogenes who were chosen to become gods and fight for celestia against the unknown enemy. Otherwise look at it like that, Venessa cares for Mond a lot. and now she is a god. Why would she not help Venti curb the Dvalin crises? Why was she not there the whole time? Answer? She is busy fighting in a war on another front..perhaps this is why visions are imperative. 7- The dark sea is full of contradictions. Enkanomiya lies on the border of the three realms..such a place MUST be very crucial to heavenly principles, as that place is where the other realms are invading the human realm. So why did they forsake such a crucial place? It must also be outside the reach of irminsul, otherwise there should have been no records in Sun and Moon remaining...wasn't this the whole reason why enjou made the journey there? the sun and the moon should have been altered via irminsul IF the primordial one wanted it to not be found. This is what i feel is very contradictory, such a crucial spot is not only abandoned by primordial one but also not under the surveillance of irminsul? 8- Who betrayed Orobashi? If my speculation on point 7 is correct, then how did celestia even come to know of Orobashi reading the book? If irminsul cannot reach that place then how and why was Orobashi sentenced to death? 9- Even though it is said that according to Primordial One humans are their greatest species, why was Egeria who created Humans not immediately sentenced to death, while Orobashi was? Heck, flooding fontaine wouldn't even have done anything to egeria or to the oceanids for that matter..they would have just gone back into what they were before without dying. That punishment was way too lax. Unless...Egeria created humans but her technique was just mimicking the actual path Primordial one took. But what Orobashi did was possibly tooooo on point with Primordial Ones experiments. Egeria could not create true humans in the end, but if Orobashi had been left unchecked he would have created a true god/human(i mean a weak god or a strong human...considering vishaps are essentially element wielding humans of light realm). AKA egeria copied the homework but made changes so it wasn't similar, while orobashi managed to find the correct answer via hit and trial. primordial one, grafted part of himself onto ancient dragons to create demon gods just like how orobashi used his own blood corals. This all makes sense as now all demon gods have fragments of the primordial one too. Plus, since they were created from the dragons, they are capable of handling a dragon sovereign's authority.

[@apoorvjoshi2383]

PS i have raised these points mid video, because they just occurred to me and i had to note them down somewhere. I ll continue to watch the video now..thanks

[@burstlogic3457]

GOD BLESS PHANES AND THE UNITED STATES OF CELESTIA

[@Nationalist166]

How does he bless himself

[@burstlogic3457]

@ one of the shades does it. Seeing as they were created by him via mitosis or something.

[@Nationalist166]

@@burstlogic3457 Which Shade

[@burstlogic3457]

@@Nationalist166 shade of Life

[@catdownthestreet]

Nah, Barbatos and Buer are better

[@ChiefJusticeNeuvillette]

Great voice acting man good job 👍

[@kenichiiginsei]

Que bonito regalo de navidad ❤❤❤ merry xristmas

[@Sonny_Blackbones]

Nobbel is that you

[@HamSlacks]

I love the Electroceanid

[@rajaryan-fe1oy]

19:00 Damm, gewat voice acting man, HoYo could learn

[@ni._.859]

29:10 OUR MAN

[@zuuraxs]

44:24 wow chill

[@alexanderericson8628]

I still think it's sus that Zhongli says "I dwelt here for 6000 years" It's used to describe being trapped they could have worded that differently if they want to say that he was from Teyvat. This suggests that the archons are trapped in Teyvat as well against their will they may not remember that because they suffer from erosion for each journey they go through Just like the vision is described to harness elemental energy, that is also something done without the users permission

[@AndrewsMobs]

Ei isn't affected by erosion and both Venti and Nahida have ways to bypass it

[@alexanderericson8628]

@@AndrewsMobs Hm Zhongli is and he is the OG archon if he is an archon at all I still have doubts about that. He calls the traveller the witness and he also says that he is looking for a way to better record history so he may believe that everything they have been told a lie their name for instance. The Ars Goetia name if that is their real name or not is very much up for debate. Researching the origin of words is forbidden in Teyvat It's said that Zhongli made a bargain about the contracts of contracts that sounds to me like something else. And it should have to do with vision holding since a vision is an assignment almost each constellation has it's own revelation attached to it. IF Zhongli made that bargain it's possible it made Neuvilettes existence possible, and could be a reason why he avoids him and why Hoyo went out of their way to show that Zhongli purposely avoids the dragon sovereign. Another reason could be that he may identify him from his memories from the archon war. His reaction about Neuvilette is as if he already knows like it's by his design. If My name is right Neuvilette may go through the same type of fate as Zhongli once did Venti says that they call those people allo-geenes so it's common knowledge in Teyvat but they don't speak to us about it. How much the general population in Genshin knows is hard to say we are still being treated as outsiders and only get selected knowledge about things carefully worded by each archon.

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

​@AndrewsMobs That's a lot of misunderstanding. Ei felt the agony of erosion the day her sister died, the same way Zhongli deacribed his erosion : agony of surrendering the things one loves to pursue the "right path", her plan was made of two parts : she created the puppet Shogun to "withstand" erosion that is a divine machine with no overlook on the future and flexibility for change, and she discarded of her physical body to keep herself in a meditative state for 500 years, nothing which other beings, including Zhongli, are incapable of doing.Both parts of the plan failed : Miko said that by meditating endlessly one can only make the effects of erosion come much quicker, and for the shogun puppet, ei said it best : a mind that cannot erode is incapable of embracing the future admitting her laps in judgement and the major flaw in her plan. Queue to why Zhongli said that he understands erosion better than most. The whole AQ of Inazuma was ultimately to make you understand that erosion is inevitable because it's byproduct of evolusion. But for some reason this fandom found a way to understand it the wronf way. Discarding of one's Physical body, meditation, are all too easy for an Adeptus such as Zhongli, if it was any useful he could have done it a long time before her. As of Barbados and the Nahida I don't know where you got that from ? Sure barbados slumbrerd for 500 years, and uses ballads to record the past, but the first was for the purpose of recovering from the Khaenri'ah war and the second only reinforces that he had to find ways to record things that are not subjectto change so what makes you think either found a way to bypass erosion ? of it's for the sole pupose of recording memories, well erosion was never mentionn4d to affect Zhongli's memory, and if it's just a matter of memory decay as you deem, then he wouldn'tbe subject to it since he has a near perfect memory. There is no way to bypass erosion for it is part of heading forward.

[@alexanderericson8628]

@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 What he said

[@alexanderericson8628]

@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 Come to think of it I think Mauvika experiences erosion during the teaser for her with Hine reminding her of who she is so this is a very current theme in Genshin very happy that you explained everything so well

[@ImevboreThu]

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[@smcmaison7845]

Correct me if im wrong, but from what i hear from scylla: Egeria after being sentenced of her sin chose to be imprisoned or was imprisoned by celestia to the primordial sea. Due to this, the reincarnation of the hydro sovereign cannot be born. Only when Egeria returns from the primordial sea can the next hydro sovereign be born (Neuvillete). This implies that Egeria does not have to die for Neuvillete to be born and Neuvillete could have known Egeria before the Cataclysm. Unfortunately Neuvillete lost his memories of before the cataclysm after the cataclysm.

[@RukkhaRukkha]

Where is it stated that Neuvillette lost his memories of what happened before the Cataclysm? As far as I remember, Neuvillette said that he has no recollection/knowledge of prior events, but he did not say he "lost" all memories. Neuvillette himself said that he could not meet Egeria (we currently don't know if this means she lived before his time or they simply didn't cross paths) but given that Egeria felt sympathy for Dragons, and so did her successor Focalors, one would assume Neuvillette was born after her death to replace her as a Primordial Sea Heart.

[@justsomeguywithgreenhair]

Before being an Archon, Egeria was made as the heart of the primordial sea, replacing the Hydro sovereign dragon. So, no hydro dragon sovereign could be born so long Egeria was alive. Because the primordial sea doesn't need 2 hearts. So, it would only make sense for Neuvillette to be born after Egeria's departure.

[@smcmaison7845]

@@RukkhaRukkha sorry for my lacking memory and i found the voiceline not from Scylla but from the Cassiodor/Os: World Quest, Canticles of Harmony: Second Movement - Prisoner in Shackles, Part 1: The Last Day of Remuria Monsieur Os: Well, "fell dragon" was the name they gave, but it was no more than a Vishap that was a teensy bit stronger than normal. After all, no new Hydro Dragon could be born so long as the Mistress of Many Waters hibernated in the deep sea. Also my mistake that Neuvillete could have known Egeria before the cataclysm and Neuvillete losing his memories. But it is still possible that the Neuvillete was born before the cataclysm after egeria returned from hibernation in the primordial sea. Perhaps he lived without meeting Egeria. And Neuvillete did say his memory was foggy during that time (before or during cataclysm). Perhaps Focalors found a solution for the impending prophecy after she found Neuvillete.

[@RukkhaRukkha]

@@smcmaison7845 No problem, I see what you mean now.

[@lexical450]

Celestial hasn't been active for a very long time, even after Neuvillette turned primordial seawater into blood. Nothing happened, so I wonder what makes Zhong li and Venti still so reluctant to say anything at all. On another note, Deshrret could've been an emanation of Nibelung, since he was able to freely control all elements. Maybe the ultimate "sin" committed by the seelies wasn't falling for a human, but a dragon instead.

[@gjsairamsairan2259]

Don’t deep dive , hoyo as their script writers all still preparing how to introduce celestial to us they didn’t think that much

[@AndrewsMobs]

Venti is scared of Celestia and Zhongli presumably has a contract

[@justsomeguywithgreenhair]

"A contract is a contract." - Zhongli

[@leandro_gass]

Always cooking hard

[@yogfan1139]

if genshin takes place a long time ago before current hsr, then.... the aeon ourobouros would have seen them. what with how the enigmata seems to change information on this aeon, isn't it strange? what if ouroboshi was a leviathan too? most of them disappeared after the dusk wars... what if genshin takes place in the dusk wars or even before that point? Its interesting to think about anyway.

[@zuuraxs]

peak vedeo as always

[@hellother52]

19:09 damn 😂

[@-nery-]

can you please tell exactly where it is stated that Neuvilette couldn't be born as long as Egeria lived? It is implied that the bew Hydro dragon couldn't be born as long as Egeria resided in the deep sea, yes, that is where she was under arrest after her sin. Furina in the Chenyu Vale event states tho, that Neuvilette is supposedly thousands of years old already. That doesn't contradict what we know about Egeria's exile and its effect, it does contradict the idea you stated tho. Of course we have to factor in the narrative and that some sources shouldn't be that trusted. But should we invalidate Furina for a theory even though things work out?

[@NatureWatcher343]

It is extremely easy to assume that based on the fact that according to Neuvillette himself, he NEVER met Egeria and only came to live with humans after Focalors invited him to Fontaine. Keep in mind that in the CN version of the game, Neuvillette's line about never meeting Egeria is spoken in such a way as to imply that he never even had the chance for such an encounter.

[@NaimSouya-kk1gx]

i love ur vids bbg

[@nicolas._.2294]

Hey! I know this is off topic, i do not know whether you would read this comment or not, but from all we know now, could you take a little bit of your time and revisits everything we know about visions so far?

[@nettedteeth]

Yippeee!!

[@satoshi_kr5686]

crack theory- so if pimon is a fragment of the PO and it is accompanying the traveler.... so does that make traveler a potential candidate for a new demon god?

[@AndrewsMobs]

I love how people think Paimon is PO but not the obvious conclusion: Ishtaroth

[@Pre4xes_]

​@@AndrewsMobsshe already has a demon name so she can't be istaroth

[@captaindanger13]

13:24 tbh the English can be read differently too since we know Neuvillette calls the primordial one “The Usurper” so the use of a different term means the use of “primordial” here is referring to something even older than the time the Primordial One took over.

[@captaindanger13]

Azhdaha’s corrupted angry version probably just called Zhongli a traitor because he sealed him underground in that place we fight Azhdaha in the quest.

[@MiniFatRat]

Did you see the hsr leaks lol

[@davidjohnson8273]

Is this peak dragon-centric lore or was that when Ashikai said everything is a dragon? Here's the problem: Skirk smells the Gnosis and says it smells like a god's curse. Not a dragon's curse. She says Neuvillette does smell of sovereign dragon too (well of course he does) but mixed in she can smell a god's curse. Which is different from the smell of a dragon. Because dragons and gods are not the same things. Skirk at any rate differentiates the two smells and says Neuvillette smells of both, and that's odd, and then she says oh duh you must have a gnosis -- to explain the god's curse smell. So dragon's aren't gods, the Gnosis is not made of bits of dragon, and neither are the gods.

[@davidjohnson8273]

In general people are over selling the dragons. We just got a big story talking about how dragons are kinda fuck ups. But we already knew that because of how Nibelung is responsible for bringing the world eater to Teyvat and killing everyone. Dragons are not the heroes of this story. This story of Teyvat is not the story of dragons, not is it about dragons.

[@NatureWatcher343]

What are you yapping about? No one is saying that the Gnoses or the Gods are dragons. The whole point of this video (which you clearly missed) is that some Ancient Dragons are Gods but Gods are NOT Dragons. Lmao KZbin comment section at its finest.

[@davidjohnson8273]

@@NatureWatcher343 At various points this video says gods are dragons, the primordial one is a dragon and humans are dragons. And yes, that the gnoses are from dragons too. 41:33 for example

[@davidjohnson8273]

@@NatureWatcher343 44:17 "So what's the moral of this video? Demon Gods are made out of Dragons... screw it, EVERYTHING is made out of dragons"

[@NatureWatcher343]

​@@davidjohnson8273 You do realise that being made out of something doesn't inhenritly make you that thing right? Our bodies are made out of proteins which comes from food like plants, fungi, and animals. This does not mean we are food. Also, the OP never said the Gnoses are made from Dragons, you are straight up lying. In the examples you showed me, he says this:- _"If a Dragon Sovereign was the only one, aside from the Usurper King and the Shade of Life, capable of turning the Oceanids into True Human Life, then that tells us one of two things about the First Descender and the creation of humanity… Either it is Draconic in Nature… Or the Humans it created were made from the remains of the Light Realm’s Dragons and then imbued with the First Descender’s ‘Divine Spark’"_ That's called speculating on different possibilities. It has nothing to do with the Ars Goetia Gods being Dragons. Don't be silly

[@whiteclover1643]

Theory has so many issues and outreaches. Just some few major things: The archons being draconic evolutions/aspects makes it sound like the archons are chosen ones, if so the archon war would've been completely unnecessary. Also the archons still share the same ars goetia names as other gods, how would you explain that? The 4 shades also have some form of a demon name like Istaroth as Astaroth and Asmoday. Beelzebul isn't a demon name from ars goetia, only Baal. And how would you connect an electro sovereign to her or them? If Morax was as you say, what would that make Azhdaha? Your hypothesis regarding Barbatos' and Egeria's situation would conflict with Morax situation. And how about the succeeding archons, particularly Focalors? How would that theory hold up? If humans had any part dragons, the dragons especially sovereigns would know and they wouldn't possess such extreme hatred of humans.

[@3u760]

1. Nibelung had his own agenda and not telling the seven sovereigns about it (believe it or not, there's so much deception happening in the background and the game won't tell us about right now, and the hints would keep coming and coming) 2. Personally, I think it has something to do with forgettance/abyss. Might be a little bit too esoteric so I won't explain it further (but it's provable, for real), and the old unreliable narrators in the game Not necessarily on behalf of this theory, just think that my opinion might help the case

[@alexanderericson8628]

The reason why they have demon names is because everything is turned upside down. Why or how I cannot start to speculate in. If you notice the archons hate their demon counter part, it's like they do not acknowledge at all that they are demons and probably for a good reason. The way I understand it is that humans were looked at as having a better hope for a future than dragon kind had, so heavenly principles took their power and gave to the archons by doing so Teyvat became a kind of storybook because Teyvat is made of elemental energy and the most energy came from the dragons since elemental energy is equated with memories. Dragons seems to have broken the rules just like humans and that is to create a species other than your own. This happens with Egeria as well and is quite consistent within the game. That is why Kaeya says that we are the audience watching a play. Both Xbalanque and Rene knew that humans had no hope and tried to change their fate they are the prior scientists so to speak. Rene tried to become a Descender and Xbalanque probably tried something similar with a dragon human. But now heavenly principles is giving up on humans as well at least I think they are and the reset called the natural order is about to take place

[@Pre4xes_]

Humans were likely brought from the world where PO lived

[@alexanderericson8628]

@@Pre4xes_ They are said to be a spark of divinity unclear if that is the primordial one or not it depends who she/he is and the game has not revealed that yet. The way I look at it is Oceanids ultimately experienced the collective memories of humans as a prison I have a feeling divinity may see the human body as a vessel or a prison as well. The primordial one interpret cosmos as lonely and in pain but that is just his interpretation. Deshret is described to scream out when he obtains forbidden knowledge that everything must be released I think he is referring to the energy inside human bodies. So ultimately everyone must die

[@WhiteGold-tg1qj]

There are so many issues with your criticism that I don't even know where to start, here are a few mistakes you made:- 1. The Archon War was incited by Celestia so that the strongest Demon Gods would rule the world after the King was incapacitated. You are making a significant logical fallacy when you assume that the Demon Gods Celestia created were all supposed to be "Chosen Ones". 2. Humans are also 'chosen ones by your logic since they were made by the Primordial One to replace the Dragons, completely laughable tbh. 3. Archons sharing Ars Goetia names is a problem in your eyes? How so? They are still Demon Gods even after becoming Archons. Are we even playing the same game? 4. Beelzebul is also Baal's sister and historically the two were connected in Canaan. You CLEARLY have no clue wtf you are talking about. 5. What the hell does Azhdaha have to do with Zhongli? Are you aware that more Ancient Dragons existed aside from the Seven Sovereigns? Furthermore, OP never said either Zhongli or Azhdaha is the Sovereign in this video. Just Ancient Dragons. 6. The Ancient Dragon connection with Zhongli was made based on Orobashi's research into Vishaps where he gave them his blood. 7. Focalors was made by Egeria... What are you even trying to say by bringing her up? 8. This is by far the worst point you made: " _If humans had any part dragons, the dragons especially sovereigns would know and they wouldn't possess such extreme hatred of humans._ " Lmao... Neuvillette, the DRAGON OF WATER, did not know that the Fontanians were OCEANIDS, HYDRO CREATURES. He sensed that they were different from other humans but he never suspected that they were anything else. Furthermore, being made from the remains of Dragons does not mean humans are dragons.

[@AndrewsMobs]

The problem with your Morax theory is that Azdaha is way older than him.

[@GitGud-y9b]

There is nothing wrong with one dragon being older than another "dragon". He wasn't saying Zhongli was the Geo Sovereign, just some random Ancient Dragon.

[@AndrewsMobs]

@@GitGud-y9b But Zhongli isn't a dragon, a dragon is just one of the many forms he can take and his true form is unknown Also in Chinese it states that Zhongli was "demoted", which puts a whole wrench into his theory about Zhongli

[@SumiSakurasawa-uv1yt]

@@AndrewsMobs If you are referring to that one book which states Rex Lapis once also took the forms of a child and a woman, Zhongli himself confirmed those stories are largely fictional. Meanwhile, when it comes to his Dragon form, we have substantial historical and physical evidence to support its existence. Note that what I said doesn't mean Zhongli can't transform into whatever he wants, we already know Gods can do that based on Buer, but it is symbolically relevant that Morax took the form of a Chinese Dragon when Dragons were the World's first rulers and the Primordial One's sworn enemies.

[@GitGud-y9b]

@@AndrewsMobs In my reply I was not saying Zhongli IS a dragon. I was attacking your own logic. Here's what you said:- " _The problem with your Morax theory is that Azdaha is way older than him._ " One creature being older than another creature does not disprove anything unless you are referring to lifespans

[@vxnessaa27]

Although I love this theory there are some aspects that don’t really align with the Zhongli theory🙂‍↔️ 1. Dragons are elemental beings and Zhongli himself stained he’s not an elemental being 2. He and Azhdaha, who’s a dragon (sovereign), have completely different life spans 3. Zhongli is confirmed to be a star and has the power of the sun (or is the sun?) which just makes the dragon theory kinda weird

[@GitGud-y9b]

1. Most of the Adepti (the strongest ones at least) are Elemental Beings. Cloud Retainer is one as explicitly stated in her character stories. Morax was the Prime of the Adepti and while that doesn't necessarily mean he is an Elemental Being, he has extremely strong connections to the Elements. 2. I already saw someone say this earlier; this criticism makes no sense. The OP in the video never said, "Zhongli is the Sovereign of Earth." He just said Zhongli was "an Ancient Dragon." It is perfectly reasonable to have one dragon older than another. 3. So many things in Genshin are associated with Stars including the Seven Sovereigns that I don't even know where to start. The Travelers are also "Stars," Gosoythoth has star animations all over itself even in Xiuhcoatl's form... This is essentially a symbolic connection and not a literal one.

[@vxnessaa27]

@ 1. Yes the adepti like Xianyun are elemental beings but Zhongli HIMSELF stated he isnt an elemental being which is definitely weird. 2. Different life spans doesn’t refer to who’s older or who’s younger, it refers to how long they’ll live. “I do not pretend to match your rhetoric when it comes to the subject of a life long-lived. I fear that the life of an elemental being is longer any in this world“ - Zhongli to Azhdaha 3. You can look up the “Zhongli sun god“ theory. There’s too much proof for it to just be symbolism. Example: In his charged attack he turns into a star that looks exactly like the stars falling from the sky in the loading screen. And still doesn’t explain why he can use the power of the sun

[@SumiSakurasawa-uv1yt]

@@vxnessaa27 Xiuhcoatl is associated with stars and the sun... Does that make him like Zhongli then? Like the person before me said, dragons are also associated with stars.

[@vxnessaa27]

@ Zhongli‘s symbolism and even his powers are associated with stars and the sun. Weirdly enough he has connections with the moon sisters and the lunar palace who raced across the sky along side a SUN chariot. Both Mondstadt‘s & Liyue‘s names are connected with the moon. Moonchase festival takes place in Liyue. Why chase the moon? A dragon sovereign called him a sun which made Zhongli react differently. The wangshu inn and Zhongli’s gnosis being shaped like a CHARIOT, reference to a mythical god who drives a chariot for a MOON god. Gold “coincidentally“ having many connections with the sun, like having to harness the power of 8x suns to create gold or gold being the tears of the sun (Pantalone referring to mora as TEARS and blood). His namecards description being “stars fall, light dims“ or him summoning a meteor from the sun. Yeah he’s definitely not a star🤔

[@gjsairamsairan2259]

According to speculations Genshin will end in 2030 and all archons All are equal in strength but posses different abilities , Tsarista will make all archons united to fight against heavenly principles and celestia , since a only way to beat them. For now they only portrayed ei and morax feats or events we still need to know other archons power , their is a reason (Hoyo) to do like this.

[@AndrewsMobs]

We already know the other archons power and they are nowhere close to Ei and especially Morax

[@Pre4xes_]

​@@AndrewsMobseh, ei is probably stronger now

[@gjsairamsairan2259]

Dragons amplify their respective elements to their archons as their pure elemental beings but they are under authorities of archons as dragons (seven sovereigns) powers taken away by heavenly principles. At the last to win against heavenly principles the dragons and archons unite I.e archons divine control and dragons raw elemental power that’s why I said all archons all equal in strength if they unite with dragons (FOR NOW EI AND MORAX ARE STRONGEST EVEN THAN NEUVILLETE AND ALSO SKIRK ) BUT AS PLAYABLE SKIRK WILL BE STRONGEST DPS AS OF NOW IN 5 series

[@ame-vz2ni]

Hiiii

[@rafing2163]

...sup

[@kian-ganji]

For me ,both Venti and zhongli are beyond sus , the only two original archons, venti having a good relationship with his respective elemental dragon, is by far the most worshipped and believed in Archon (and zhongli is right after), his city has sheltered a lot of important kanri'ah survivors , is considered an equal to the entirety of hexinzircle, hexunzircle has their base in monstadt and finally has a lot of uncanny hint and connections to both celestial and TIME (knowing all the songs of past, present and future) it also doesn't help that both of them lied to us about celestial and our sister+ in my own opinion, venti's feats when he was un his prime is by far the most impressive out of any other archon

[@AndrewsMobs]

Venti is like one of the least worshipped and believed in archons lol

[@AndrewsMobs]

And Venti's feats aren't impressive at all compared to Ei and especially Zhongli, hell Venti is scared of Zhongli. Zhongli never lied to us, withholding information is not lying.

[@huasaihun]

only started to watch your vid and there some contradicting information. One of these is Orobashi was NOT the god of Chenyu Vale as he is referred as the male deity in contrast with the REAL Goddess of Chenyu Vale (see the chinese characters they are reffered to - 他, 她 - which pronounces the same tā). Fujin said that she had powers over dreams and was overpowered by Rex Lapis

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

The God of the Stove and Guizhong also coexisted in the same area for a long time. So it's not necessarily a contradiction

[@SumiSakurasawa-uv1yt]

But Sumeru was ruled by three gods (2 gods + 1 angel)... I don't think MNFN is saying Orobashi was the same Goddess who Morax killed in Chenyu Vale, i.e. Changsheng's master. Here is the logic he used:- > Orobashi fought Morax during the Archon War before Beelzebul. > High likelihood this means Orobashi was from Liyue. > Another goddess lived in Liyue who had a White Snake servant (Changsheng). > Orobashi was a big White Snake. > Orobashi was probably from Chenyu Vale.

[@davidjohnson8273]

Zhongli is probably the last person someone should claim is/was a dragon since he explicitly denies it in his conversation with Azhdaha. He straight up says his lifespan is nothing compared to elemental creatures like a dragon. I don't understand the desire to contradict such a clear peace of lore. If Zhongli had been a dragon that entire conversation would have gone utterly differently. It couldn't be more clear. The entire conversation is Azhdaha ragging on Zhongli for being just a speck in terms of the ages that Azhdaha and other dragons live for. Zhongli doesn't deny it but admits it is true.

[@ShirouE]

He literally takes the form of a Chinese Dragon, chill bro it's not that deep.

[@davidjohnson8273]

@@ShirouE He literally doesn't. You do get that the exuvia isn't Zhongli right? He fakes his death. It's a fake body that looks like a dragon precisely because of all the silly myths about how he's a dragon which aren't true. So he creates a fake body and that's what he makes to look like a dragon.

[@ShirouE]

@@davidjohnson8273 He is. There is art all across Liyue depicting him as a Chinese Dragon. His clothes have Dragon scales on them and on top of all this he has a Dragon tail which you can get from the Theatre. Half-Dragon Half-Qilin by Genshin standards.

[@metalfest02]

Ashikai also mentioned in one of her videos it was "Dragons, all the way down"

[@thelastyaksha]

This was one of the most interesting theory videos I've seen but I really wish it's not correct. I just refuse to believe Zhongli is a traitor and he was too weak to fight and die with honor. However, given all the evidence, it is hard to prove @DragonMJE is wrong.

[@RukkhaRukkha]

Abandoning the Dragons does not mean he was a 'traitor' in the sense of backstabbing his people. Waxaklahun describes how the Ancient Dragons were a very proud and arrogant race who drove themselves to annihilation. Perhaps Zhongli just realized that the age of Dragons is over and saw potential in humanity.

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

Same here. I just REFUSE to see Zhongli associated with Dragons.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

At first were the theories of Vishap being turned into people and there's some merit to that and now we have theories of Vishap being turned into gods and whilst there's some merit to that, I hope it's not to the extent of this video. Of all the gods to have been a vishap in their former life, Zhongli being one of them would just be the worst, I hope it never becomes the case. All of Liyue, even Azhdaha respected and revered Zhongli as a higher being. Having him go from all of that to be a Vishap traitor would just suck imho. Also, there's a factor of Teyvat's origins as the Human Realm that's being ignored, even in this theory and that's the Void Realm. I think that also has some importance with not just the creation of Teyvat but its gods. That's part of why I am confident that this theory isn't gonna age quite as well as it could. Especially after Natlan. Honestly, unironically Ashikai is one of the very few theory crafters that is catching on to the importance of the Void Realm being part of Teyvat's origins since Natlan. This is something that was long since stated and even foreshadowed since as far back as Enkanomiya and Liyue. I am still confident that there's a lot more to Zhongli and the gods, than meets the eye.

[@ChiefJusticeNeuvillette]

Furina said that neuvillette is thousands of years old and Egeria died 500 years ago during the Cataclysm so this theory that egeria must die first for neuvillette to be reborn in not entirely true...... please correct me if I am wrong but that's what I understood.

[@TimeWager]

Furina most probably assumed he was thousands of years old or maybe she counted his past life as well. Neuvillette was born only 500 years ago. That much is confirmed from the Remuria Questline.

[@ChiefJusticeNeuvillette]

​@@TimeWager But furina doesn't probably know that neuvillette is the hydro dragon thus she can't know that he had a past life. Btw I didn't do the remuria quest line can you tell me how it was confirmed that he's 500 years old??

[@TimeWager]

@@ChiefJusticeNeuvillette Furina most likely knows about Neuvi's identity. After all, in Neuvi's story quest Furina's letter says "See? Human world isn't so bad after all". Meaning she knows he isn't human and in the act 4 of archon quest, Furina didn't appear to be surprised when she heard Neuvi telling us his identity. In Remuria, Cassiodor tells us that a new hydro dragon couldn't be born as long as Egeria was alive in the primordial sea. She died during the cataclysm around 500 years ago. So that would make Neuvi(current life) 500 years old at max.

[@GitGud-y9b]

Neuvillette never met Egeria and essentially had no history before Focalors invited him to Fontaine. He does not even discuss anything from Teyvat's history before Egeria's Death. Either Furina was referring to Neuvillette's recombination with his predecessor, OR she could just be wrong.

[@ChiefJusticeNeuvillette]

​@@TimeWager Ok thanks for explaining 😊

[@emmayoo]

I love this man's narration and theories 🥹💗 keep it up " my name for now " 😅❤