Dreamworld - Timeline of a scam MMO

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

NordVPN were genuinely really decent to work with, and the fact they use a runescape graphic made me happy: nordvpn.com/strife

[@kesamek8537]

I hope Garrison is using a VPN when he books the getaway rental car and anonymous one-way tickets to Argentina.

[@nithwct5226]

Nobody is going to blame you for doing more sponsorships in the future for the record. It's just best to stay away from doing game sponsorships when your channel is about video game criticism.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

@@nithwct5226 thats the reason i turned down raid, they wouldn't let me critique

[@muajin]

Has this been taken to court?

[@henrik1743]

Josh, mind turning up the quality of the videos you are watching and refering to on your footage from youtube? Also the sound levels were a bit off on 18:00 when cutting to the youtuber, otherwise a very nice video mate as usual

[@natecw4164]

The scam behind Dream World is possibly the greatest IRL RP game I've ever seen. They both snuck their way into a high level dungeon using stealth and charisma points. Now they're stuck in the boss room with a lvl 99 Lawyer who just cast enrage.

[@kesamek8537]

Room about to fill with Kroll, Inc. 'risk management' hitmen AoE.

[@kristianthaler6525]

To bad that cheat they used to multiply their currency won't help them in a fight.

[@AunCollective]

If we lived in the world of Arcanum, these two would be using their charisma to talk their way into convincing Josh and Kira to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the game. Luckily, we aren't in Arcanum.

[@Gwynsladle]

ah... an avalanche fan.. suh doe. signed some random Indonesian Pens fan.

[@natecw4164]

@@Gwynsladle McKinnon is almost back. Denver has been **** lately, Lorde Stanley's Cup would be a nice distraction!

[@MoonMoverGaming]

The little detail that gets to me is how he apparently bought his girlfriend a fake diamond ring. Like, being a scammer extends into *every* aspect of his life.

[@AmandaDavis6130]

Seriously. If you don’t have the money, just skip the ring because it’s the marriage that matters more. But to get a specifically ostentatious ring, so over the top it prompts your partner to ask “is it real?”, then lie? Yeah I’m not shocked he has an issue with lying.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

I think the detail this sociopath proposed to her in a high end event which was important for her career just underlines what a malignant narcissist he is. he can't let her have the spotlight, he had to make it about him.

[@tprime2702]

@Metal Sign Human's are creatures of habit. When we find something works just the once, we attempt to use that method for everything, everytime. Especially more if it is the laziest and easiest solution we can come up with that also provides a release of serotonin from our brain.

[@EzraBradford]

Can't say he's not consistent!

[@mohammadtausifrafi8277]

@@arizona_anime_fan Or maybe he was just shrewd enough to understand that she will be so occupied with the event that it will be easier to impress her with fake things and a fake persona, which she would see more critically at other times.

[@vocalcalibration8033]

If a kickstarter campaign ever promises something "infinite" it's almost certainly a scam.

[@nicolasreinaldet732]

Suport my kickstarter that plans to give our clients a infinite suply of air.

[@DirtMankee]

@@nicolasreinaldet732 my kickstarter will give infinite energy. support mine aswell

[@seraphal1970]

@@nicolasreinaldet732 Not sponsored, but I rate this product 10/10, already got my air before I even paid the money!

[@vocalcalibration8033]

@kitric Well now THAT'S something I can get behind!

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I'd say it's more a fairly even split between outright scams and starry-eyed people whose mouths are mailing checks their skills can't cash. With a few people sprinkled in who might have the chops to make something technically infinite (or as close as a computer can fake it)... but may or may not be able to also make it _interesting_

[@konomiyu]

"this mug is empty" We've Been Tricked, We've Been Backstabbed and We've Been Quite Possibly, Bamboozled

[@ifriedham]

He was holding one of the mugs upside down for a while there too.

[@AnD1262]

I haven't been this hurt since the "there is no fridge" incident

[@brohogany9920]

He's just flexing on us with his awesome mugs

[@Jubanen12]

Hah, I'm fine with all that as long as I'm not mislead, hoodwinked or swindled!

[@Disgruntledpirate]

#muggate2021

[@damevito9801]

This Dreamworld situation is the most entertaining thing that’s happened since 2020 in the MMO department

[@stevewilks8141]

I came for the scam mmo drama, but stayed for the developing story of two sociopaths who might be so deluded about their capabilities and reality that most people just assume it's a scam.

[@jacklonsandoval7451]

@@stevewilks8141 yeah this is like that fire festival scam

[@minortoterona2947]

@@stevewilks8141 i don't even know, its god or bad, i see some idiots backed this, and just assume worst (that its not most people assume a scam). Its easy to assume that most gamers are keen and if not smart at least have brains, but just looking at trailers, looking at videos of those lunatics, its so easy to see a scam and how "IT WAS NOT KEK, IT WAS CRINGE FATHER" (i just cant get over that phrase, love it)

[@AGreyAlien]

@@minortoterona2947 I don't back any game. Only time I will give them money is when the product is playable on Steam or other clients, and fully finished (or at least made to the public in form of early access).

[@minortoterona2947]

@@AGreyAlien some awesome projects are backed thru those platforms. problem is, many peps problem is. HOW THE F.CK people dont see the blatant scam, or at least don't think like you... Its not that hard, but like in one of videos said, some back just for the heck of it... and its sad, that scammers get money, ant those who really deserve not... More over why those platforms dont do anything too (well i know why but still)

[@Jigglexphysics]

Josh and his mug reminds me of my favorite manager ever, Jim. Jim passed away right after Covid hit but he would just stare into your soul while holding his mug and sometimes crack the driest of jokes-just like Josh. He was a huge DND fan and was around back when it first started. He had so many collections and got me to start collecting topps cards. Anyway, I’m being too parasocial so I’m going to fade back into the void now

[@ironnoah9461]

I'm incredibly sorry about his passing, I wish I had a manager like that

[@hundkebab2433]

what ever happened to his shit?

[@JoseJimenez-fc6pu]

I can't get enough of this Dreamworld drama. There's just another car wreck around every corner with these scammers. Lol

[@justanothermaid]

It's watching a narcissist get what they are due, it's compelling and hard to turn away from.

[@MeatyZeeg]

Same, it's so ridiculous that I can't believe it's happening

[@KojoGotMojo]

The people donating on Kickstarter are the problem

[@JoseJimenez-fc6pu]

@@KojoGotMojo That's just as fascinating to me. How people can be so easily duped into shelling their cash for what's painfully obvious a sham project.

[@JoseJimenez-fc6pu]

One would think with past mmo KS scams that people would be more discerning by now on what a mmo KS scam should look like. Smh

[@Twinrehz]

"We need to go back almost TEN years in time" Oh, so back to mid-early 2000s "2012" *DAMMIT*

[@xEvilRaptorx]

Bawhahah welcome to the boomer club. We are all boomers now -.-

[@xEvilRaptorx]

@@subsonic5 oh shit son, you don't even know. Just wait til the kids that can buy Alcohol were born the year you graduated... thats quite a feeling

[@paddington1670]

@@xEvilRaptorx the newest one for me is "i dont remember 9/11, i wasnt old enough" or "I wasnt even born"

[@imaginekudryavka9485]

@@paddington1670 It's pretty crazy that there are now full grown _adults_ who weren't yet born when 9/11 happened. Time, eh?

[@RealityRogue]

I don’t even comprehend myself being 21 anymore

[@jebnordost7487]

I love this story, because it was essentially a rug pull scheme that got too successful for its own good and now they had to actually develop a game to save themselves

[@CallumUpton]

honestly so glad i jumped on this and became a part of internet history. this scam will go down in the books for sure

[@mynameisnotegg5731]

Thank you for your videos! It is actually so cool to see how people team up to expose these scammers. So proud of this community

[@CallumUpton]

@@mynameisnotegg5731 me and josh have been sharing info throughout all this and i'm sure it wont be the last collab between us. this community truly is amazing

[@starblaiz1986]

[INSERT OBLIGATORY FANGIRLING HERE] ^-^

[@markiss69]

@@starblaiz1986 Roger that

[@selzyr3796]

Hope some people round up a lawsuit and start going after him once shit blows over, this kind of bullshit with kickstarter gotta stop seriously.

[@venlo8888]

the technology for Dreamworld is real I swear! It just goes to another school

[@BuggingonBeeroids]

"No, no, her server's like, in Poland man, for real"

[@Notsram77]

your joke is too real too real ;-(

[@Vysair]

Jokes aside, that technology exist in Star Citizen(?), Dual Universe and maybe Starbase

[@therealnoodledog6660]

Lol

[@eternal4780]

@@slevinchannel7589 ???

[@julianhernandez5188]

I interviewed to be a game developer for these guys' company, seemed legit since it was a YCombinator company. They mentioned they work 6 days a week and don't do work from home and I dipped out of there. I think I dodged a bullet

[@MajorMasonGaming]

Is it the dont work from home part?

[@fallenaspie]

@@MajorMasonGaming no, the 6 days part

[@WorlWyrm]

@@fallenaspie So what's the problem with it tho?

[@fallenaspie]

@@WorlWyrm basically if a company, especially one working on a *game*, requires office work, that's a red flag enough as most devs can and do work perfectly well online. and 6 days is not a well-rounded work week, if it's 40 hours then it just cuts into your personal time by adding a useless day, and if it's more then it's just an overtime machine sucking you dry with as many days as they can while still remaining productive. either way a company that cares not about their workers worklife balance and obviously has archaic standards by forcing unneeded commute time to a drab unfulfilling office environ.

[@Nemcoification]

@@WorlWyrm The problem is some people want a life. Not work 6x(10-12?) and spend day 7 recovering.

[@TujaSan]

I just love how this whole thing escalated from being a kickstarter project to turn into two sociopaths using child labour on their discord

[@parkeryoung8259]

Child labor? I didn't hear that one yet. Oof

[@TujaSan]

@@parkeryoung8259 They groom kids to be their discord channel moderators for free

[@kesamek8537]

Sounds like a documentary about Activision.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

I mean child thing and discord is kinda a given these days

[@martinbudinsky8912]

I mean... I have seen children as moderators for big companies even. But they had it as a paid part time job and had people that were overseeing them and making sure everything is done by the book and policies of company. But what DreamWorld guys are doing is really just exploiting naive young kids.

[@jeano7684]

ok but imagine being the game dev " Welcome to the team pal! *You have a week to make a working mmo* " " Wait what " " Good luck! "

[@FlareStorms]

"...but that's impossible" "that's the point now get to it sweetie we don't have all day"

[@Tar4de]

Cyberpunk development be like:

[@ZorotheGallade]

"Okay, so I did the very first thing and replaced the default character model with this one that came free with the program, and..." "BRILLIANT LET'S MAKE A DEV BLOG ON IT"

[@FlareStorms]

@@ZorotheGallade "looks finished enough to me, let's publish it!"

[@TheKueiJin]

@@Tar4de by the state of the game on PC i'd say it was working from the first demo featured way back when... FOR PC. Then they remembered they had to add it for the plastic cunts, aka cuntsoles, sorry, consoles. And then came the "downgrades" (read compatibility patches) so that it wouldn't fry the P.O.S. components that are cheaply tucked into them. And they kept this going, for a long time, but not to much avail, because, well... Imagine having a baby calf, that still needed to grow in a full fledged cow... and then you just chop pieces out of it so that "gamers" (i swear console exclusive gamers should be rebranded as mobile cashgrab enthusiasts) could play it.

[@BaChewieChewieChomp]

Calum is fuckin incredible, he went and literally replicated everything the devs did to show them exactly how full of shit they are. Absolute chad.

[@thaias9654]

I’ve never been so invested in something I care nothing about.

[@ErdnußRiegel6969]

Same

[@slevinchannel7589]

On a less important note: Shouldnt we do something? Like reporting their youtube-channel? Or saying something to Kickstarter-Sites? I mean, talking about this is nice and all, really - but shouldnt we 'do something'? I mean, even if we dont fall for it, its an Issue even if were safe, right? If you get what i mean.

[@Jeedeye]

@@slevinchannel7589 The problem is they're legally safe. The way they word things and who they get funding from is all planned out so they don't get in trouble.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@Jeedeye We live in an age where being famous for being a Scammer is legally ok.

[@Jeedeye]

@@slevinchannel7589 it's how MLMs are still a thing. Hell it's how Gwyneth Paltrow can still sell her bs products on GOOP.

[@Voicfulcornet5]

I love how he flexes his mug collection joke and switches his mug on every shot

[@zhertva0d]

In 17:19 the mug is upside down, which makes it even funnier.

[@Sinyao]

@@zhertva0d I was about to mention this.

[@MrAbraxus666]

So I'm not the only one, haha

[@andersfaret11]

Great mug shots though :-D

[@gracekelley2907]

Holy hell the "left me" meme montage was just hilarious. Just the clear editing and sad music. I mean, it's sad that the dude's fiancee left, but based on what I heard about her relationship with him... yeah, I think that was a good thing for both of them. I mean... he gave her a fake ring and lied about it. If he had just been honest about proposing and said it was a "placeholder" ring, then I'm sure she'd have been understanding, but to lie like that? That's a look into what the marriage will be like so yeah, good on her to run.

[@everwake2689]

"And then my fiance left me!" he said with a smile that didn't quite reach his avid, unhinged eyes.

[@HenryS136]

If I had to guess I would say that this was his 8th take and he still couldn't manage to make it natural

[@deimos2k6]

Mr. Burns: "EXCELLENT!"

[@specialnewb9821]

Ex-Fiance confirmed he doesn't get high, he's just like that.

[@Redzeths]

It truly stumps me that the guy got such a beautiful girlfriend only to try and scam her into marrying him and thinking that would all pan out okay

[@Holktube]

The real Freudian slip is that he said "fantastical", which means not real, instead of "fantastic", which is a term of praise.

[@pikadragon2783]

might be one of these 'technically and therefore in front of a judge not lying' things he seems to be constantly pulling. I wonder if he made enough loopholes in all he said, or if someone finds a way to sue him off the planet.

[@bunnyfist4697]

the term "the game THEY THINK we're making" was another nice choice of words

[@MuchWhittering]

Yeah, I thought that was what he was gonna make as his point.

[@thomasoates3003]

A lot of people use the two words interchangeably and don't know the difference between them.

[@sp00l]

As a game developer myself and only just now hearing about this whole thing. I am surprised this 'project' even got this much attention. You can easily tell everything in their demo's are just asset bundles, some of them even free ones. Everything they show off in their demo's would take an afternoon for most developers to throw together.

[@sytherwusky]

i think kickstarters should offer refunds

[@user-sx4qu4dz9z]

@@sytherwuskyThey never will, because worse comes to worst they’d have to sue if they didn’t get the money back. Basically suing over money that was never theirs when they don’t have to. Not to mention all the possible workarounds and loopholes

[@JagoShogun]

what game did you make?

[@sp00l]

@@JagoShogun BTD 6

[@Gary_a_normal_human_being]

@@sp00layo that’s sick

[@zukiginagato2215]

Love how u wanna see the situation of fire~ But now, for what really matters, the mug collection; 0:06 - Blue inside de video 0:23 - Dice Mug 5:22 - Aliance WoW Mug 6:50 - 40k Spacemarine Helmet Mug 8:23 - Imperial Aquila Warhammer 40k Mug 15:55 - Iron Man Infinite Gauntlet Mug 17:14 - Upside Down Tri Force Mug 23:25 - 'A Snare has been set' Mug 28:07 - 'Green' Mug 32:40 - Skull Mug 33:20 - III Mug Btw, sorry, i'm not a Mug Expert neither an avid game player, I'm just appreciating the mugs even if I don't know from what they are inspired from.

[@bucketofuniverses5196]

Quick correction to help: 6:50 is actually a 40k spacemarine helmet mug.

[@mochabearry]

5:22 Is an Alliance mug from World of Warcraft.

[@coyotelifestyle73]

Blue Eagle mug is an Imperial Aquila from Warhammer 40k

[@ollllj]

what a bunch of muggers.

[@Killer45654]

Triforce mug is upside down

[@BericD]

I never thought I'd be watching a video of Jon Snow offering me a discount on NordVPN, exposing video game scammers, and flexing his mug collection at me all in one go, but here I am. What a time to be alive.

[@Maityist]

Jon Snow maybe. I think he looks a lot more like Robb Stark (Richard Madden).

[@BericD]

@@Maityist Yeah, you're right I definitely see that now.

[@bobscully1655]

King In The North!

[@matheusg1473]

You are literally copying the comment of the other vid but getting the character wrong

[@BericD]

@@matheusg1473 Other vid? I just found out about this gem of a channel.

[@parmesanzero7678]

I wish Kickstarter would enforce their policy against the “fully funded in X hours” model. They specifically say *not* to do this. That would reduce the number of the unrealistically low goals and the number of people using that tactic to get to the top of the lists. KS is meant to help creators get the funding to produce something, not as an advertisement platform.

[@mysticanimation22]

23:57 - Just to add to disabling comments. Like to Dislike ratio has also been hidden. Hiding even more to newcomers or those who don't dig into this.

[@Ichi.Capeta]

and KZbin needs to see this

[@yankochoynev652]

usually restricted comments and like ratio are the largest red flags

[@muggerpugger3231]

tbh when I see a disabled ratio and comments that usually brings a huge red flag to me that something is a scam or is misleading

[@outcast170]

Pretty funny how quick the gaming community catches things like that yet the people watching "News" channels notice nothing curious... Almost like there is some sort of correlation with gamers and their attention to detail rather than some connection with violence. The idea of "KZbin needs to see this", um, they've recently admitted to assist in the adjusting of and other use of such controls.

[@colonelnasty3600]

“Do anything” in an mmo is basically “You can have any color, as long as it’s black” for Ford in the 1900s

[@Zarryon12]

Ahh yes , the Model T variant colors. Though to be fair reading that line in the history textbook, actually made me laugh. Here it's just a groan of severe loathing and disappointment.

[@starvalkyrie]

Yeah but at least the car was real.

[@alloounou6900]

"And you know something is serious when it spawns memes." True words

[@Techn0Fox]

An MMO kickstarter "pyramid scheme" This just keeps getting better and better

[@slevinchannel7589]

The loyal fans dont wanna hear it. Even though we just wanna warn them. Just like Shane Dawson and Onision still have loyal aka deaf fans. They wanna be deaf...

[@TheSpiritsLease]

@@slevinchannel7589 They're just hopeless. People commiting this hard to their idols is why nobody can think for themselves anymore. There's just no room for questions anymore.

[@natwon633]

In Europe, solely based on that, he could be sued

[@farfa2937]

In 2028 the Internet Historian will cover this in a video, and then Asmongold will react to it

[@crownenvmr]

Then Pyrocynical will steal the memes IH used in that video

[@slevinchannel7589]

The loyal fans dont wanna hear it. Even though we just wanna warn them. Just like Shane Dawson and Onision still have loyal aka deaf fans. They wanna be deaf...

[@havenprice]

I can’t wait for the IH video which may be released in about 10 years time

[@zix1257]

This bullshit is way too lame

[@kalosianporygon]

2028? More like 2024 at the latest.

[@MephiticMiasma]

"like the type of people who play music on their phone... but worse" ok, now I feel old. In my day, it was the vehicle speakers cranked up until you heard the thump half a mile down the road.

[@verdigo1]

My money's on: 'blame the game's poor state on everyone who was critical or had legitimate questions'. It's the last resort to try to gain sympathy and redirect anger. Then they'll take a 'hiatus' for 'mental health' and vanish.

[@Rainbowthewindsage]

They should try to blame it on being sent too many emails.

[@littlemoth4956]

Wollay in a nutshell. Problem is he's being sincere and the criticism he's receiving is just blind hate. Quick side note: Don't EVER downplay decisions made with mental health in mind. That shit is important.

[@iDeLaYeD_o]

Then in a year or two he'll start the scam up again being called something else once the money runs out

[@Ozymandias2x]

@@Rainbowthewindsage I didn't understand how e-mails work! That's why I deleted them all and had professionals scrub the drives, which were then physically destroyed. It was all one big honest misunderstanding!

[@lecorbak]

don't give them ideas.

[@ecyor0]

Okay, how much crazier can this story ge- "First we have to go back almost ten years..." Well then.

[@starblaiz1986]

[SEAT BELT FASTENING INTENSIFIES]

[@slevinchannel7589]

The loyal fans dont wanna hear it. Even though we just wanna warn them. Just like Shane Dawson and Onision still have loyal aka deaf fans.

[@Nassifeh]

I know this is so old, and there are over 3000 comments, but I skimmed through quite a bit and did not see anybody else mention it, so Josh, if you still ever look at these, I want you to know that *I* noticed the Death Note musical video showing up as viewed, and despite all your stories, this was the thing that finally made me go, "Oh. He *is* a theater kid."

[@Izzzyzzz]

Awesome video, following this mess of a project has been quite the ride!!

[@PerishingPurplePulsar]

Ayyyyyyye! Love your content, didn't expect to see you here!

[@SoccerMomSuho]

izzzy ; _ ;

[@fishy658]

It’s so wack huh

[@DsiakMondala]

Hey I know you, you that girl that reviews vintage internet with all the make up.

[@bryanmorfin9769]

Izzy!!! I love your videos

[@Hermentotip]

I love how they lined up their mom's 6 living room chairs in her actual living room, added the computer chair, and tried to make it look like a meeting room or something. Cute curtains tho, lol

[@DeathMetalDerf]

I'm here because of WickedWiz, Kira, and Callum. I've just lol over every single moment of the coverage you guys have done on this. I know I'm super late to the party as usual, but this is one of the very best cases to what I like to call Peter Molyneux Syndrome. Promising the world, delivering nothing but disappointment every time, then spend an insane amount of time backtracking and "clarifying" your previous vaguery and lies.

[@ThatPianoNoob]

Peter Molyneux at the very least created some good shit, even if it none of it ever measured up to the promises.

[@xxadder114xx]

Josh last time: I am not a drama channel, this is the last video I'm making on it. Josh this time: Ok I know what I said but come point and laugh at this trainwreck with me! NGL I was really hoping he'd continue to cover it.

[@zee_barf]

It's the most popular videos on his channel, so he will milk it despite saying he won't

[@TheDoodleli]

The scammer is a psychopath... There is more to come! He can’t give up manipulating and his urge to succeeed.

[@TheTundraTerror]

It's called Dreamworld because you have to be asleep to belive it can happen.

[@thaias9654]

It’s called Dreamworld because it only exists in your dreams.

[@Popebug]

At least try to not reuse the same stale joke over and over.

[@vicc6790]

nice rip off of george carlin

[@slevinchannel7589]

The loyal fans dont wanna hear it. Even though we just wanna warn them. Just like Shane Dawson and Onision still have loyal aka deaf fans. They wanna be deaf...

[@vicc6790]

@@slevinchannel7589 what loyal fans? I don't think I've ever seen a single person attempt to defend this game besides the devs themselves ever.

[@FloridaWinter]

Literally went and bought a 2 year membership to NORD VPN because of the Runescape thing hahahaha great video mate.

[@TheTSense]

Don't you love it when random people walk up to the airport and be like "is flying hard? Maybe I can be a pilot" and the Company is like "Come right in for an interview!"

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

It’s actually not that hard, just takes focus. Also take off is WAY easier than landing. Planes and helicopters you have a hand throttle like a tractor, not a gas pedal like a car. You don’t need to let off the gas, so it’s more precise to a pedal. Planes you increase it enough to taxi, unlock the wheels, and taxi it to the run way. Then you pull out your hand throttle to give the the juice, build speed, and take off. Landing is as easy as keeping it completely steady and even (harder to be done though, especially in BIG RIGS), and you glide in with taxi power. The engines actually don’t go completely off. Helicopters are even easier to understand. The 2 pedals turn you left and right, stick to your side is your “throttle” (I will get back to this), and the one between your legs is the tilter. The one between your legs adjusts what parts of the circle made by the blades have push. You push the stick forward, blades in the front go more flat and the back gains more of a vertical angle to push you up. That “throttle” as people think it is, actually just changes the entire circles forces evenly. So you can increase over all force while making a bias with the tilter. Just be loose and calm, and you’ll hover for the first time great. Also not licensed, just flew my uncles hand built ultra light a couple times before he died. Flight is amazing!

[@mapytrix3982]

​@@rustythefoxcoon5143 Not sure how this is related

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

Mainly saying anyone could do it, but in reality most will just kinda pretend to learn ignoring all possibility. I could summarize controls of flight off the top of my head in that length of text. You'd think that'd take a text book. I'll show you again with an alternative and more relatable example: Driving is the same situation. Your throttle, gas, or torque pedal - always called a gas pedal for simplification - allows the driver to get engine power. Brakes, will slow you down via disc or drum, and a clutch just disconnects your engine and transmission allowing you to shift to any gear without grinding, and avoid stalling when still. The shifters of each tell you what the gear or drive mode is and the wheel just directs you where you want to go. Summed up driving. Now can you drift? The only thing really stopping people is their willingness to learn the feeling of what they are doing. Most people feel rushed in 60 mph traffic to the point they forget and or do not care about directional signals. Yet I have seen plenty of people doing insane speeds: yet using them still, keeping to the right lane except to pass, and using proper judgement of speed, even just avoiding the cities cuz it's proper. Just like genuine pros. It's not hard to learn to drive like that whilst maintaining control, but most people fear learning the more extremes. It's even worse than stated, they ask but they do not truly intend on retaining anything. They'd take that job assuming the book teaches you all, then when one slip up happens, people expire. @@mapytrix3982

[@remondx8880]

"[their discord mods were] a 14 year old boy and a 16 year old girl" Wait, isn't that the gold standard when it comes to Discord mods? 🐒

[@WolfgangDoW]

Sadly yes Noone under 18 should run any server tbh

[@stuglife5514]

I only use discord to chat to friends. Can’t fucking stand servers. I only use it to audio chat with friends while playing multiplayer

[@stuglife5514]

@@WolfgangDoW yea discord is a sad thing to bear witness to. Especially when people who are supposed to enforce the rules (as in people actually employed by discord) openly supportered furry lo1i shit. There’s a reason discord is a cesspool

[@stuglife5514]

@Rose's Zen Garden Just because something can support life doesn’t mean it should. Just like a meth head CAN get pregnant and have a child, doesn’t mean she should.

[@Sinyao]

@@stuglife5514 Loli stuff can get an entire server shut down lmao. Those servers are playing with fire.

[@zomkino]

i like this guy, no bs he show you all the sources and put them together in a perfect "timeline" as titled, it's awesome man

[@KatieGimple]

Wow, I thought Star Citizen was bad for kickstarting a project that would never be finished, but at least they are trying and have built something. This is a whole new level of scammy

[@Henry8VIII8]

At least if Star Citizen ever collapses, you'll still have a pretty screenshot generator. With this mmo you just get straight up scammed.

[@Baslakor]

"and to see the start of this story, we have to go back almost 10 years" And a complete lack of a blurry camera and whimsical flashback music... You were this close to greatness Josh...

[@magicbanana5444]

It’s a real shame as it reflects badly on indie devs. I have been creating a game for some time now and have funded it completely by myself. The reason for this is if it fails I won’t be disappointing the player base.

[@Maidbots]

They may as well rename it "Chronicles of Elyria 2"

[@damevito9801]

Yikes, haven’t us wait years for a “cancel”

[@waltwhite8126]

I disagree, CoE at least was convincing. Anyone that gave them money either is a child or has absolutely no notion of how games work.

[@brieb402]

Not even. This is probably 10x worse than Chronicles of Elyria. At least that project had some level of effort and original assets put in, and seemed like they were actually trying to make a game (regardless of how horribly mismanaged it was).

[@savagefox3530]

Chronicles of Elyria how was it hard to identify as a scam they did a good job of hiding it Dreamworld is not even trying

[@SCP-001DatabaseAdministrator]

CoE left me

[@KindSparkdev]

These guys are basically if you multiplied Yandere Dev by two but halved their intelligence, and still gave them insane amounts of money.

[@johnz3535]

Nah, as bad as yondere dev was he actually developed/coded things, these two developed nothing. YD is miles above (these two^100)

[@imSaerilee]

@@johnz3535 They're both trash but at least one of them shows an actual "working" game

[@thetruestar6348]

@@johnz3535 true at the very least yandere Dev was able to create something with his own two hands even if it's messily made he was able to do it himself

[@ridhosamudro2199]

YanDev is just too egotistical for his own good. Too much discord moderating, too little listening to geniue input. These guys are just bumbling fools who just happens to get a nepotistic route on YCombinator

[@vbgvbg1133]

No, at least yanderedev actually made some of his own stuff, even if it took multiple years to if else if else if else if else

[@sator_project]

An MMO is just about the most expensive thing humans can make. Even if a kickstarter raised a gazillion, it still might not be enough to make the game.

[@wlangstroth]

Well exactly. What has Star Citizen gone through by now, a half billion?

[@bashbashfulsson4540]

@@wlangstroth christ almighty, they could launch an actual satellite for that kind of money.

[@SammEater]

@@wlangstroth By the time they finish that "game" we will be exploring the deep space in real life.

[@pilsplease7561]

@@SammEater Its a ponzi scheme scam, its literally never going to come out its a permanent alpha. The devs are stupid, blow money on houses and cars instead of the game literally they got caught spending money on vacations and houses.

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

NordVPN: "You have total freedom, have fun!" That would explain the, ahem, _"extraordinary"_ ads made by the internet historian

[@rolfs2165]

But I feel like even they have their limits. _That one Tom Scott video._

[@d4s0n282]

@@rolfs2165 wait ... which one?

[@rolfs2165]

@@d4s0n282 He got a sponsoring offer, made an honest VPN commercial, and the offer was retracted. Obviously doesn't mention which VPN provider it was.

[@d4s0n282]

@@rolfs2165 I was just wondering if you remember which video it was, I love his stuff and all but hearing that it was retracted, must not have been good lol

[@Capnsensible80]

@@d4s0n282 I mean if he told you the truth (that VPNs really don't do jack for you except let you watch Netflix content that's region restricted despite all their claims of security and privacy) yeah, they're not gonna like that lmao

[@DemonicAkumi]

Imagine giving your girl a huge fake diamond ring and then lying to her face and not thinking she would find out. He might know how to trick people into funding his fake project, but it seems he's terrible with girls.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

What I think is worse is that either he believes that his fiancee wouldn't find out or he is terrible at lying but does it anyway. If he wants to "fake it till you make it" he can't even do the first step right

[@foerfan6400]

he's a psycopath, he knows but just don't give af.

[@brutalnobody5240]

He's path. liar, even if he could afford the ring he could at least have been honest about that and have a chance at least.

[@DemonicAkumi]

@@plague_seeker9354 While I personally don't care for diamonds or jewelry, I'm pretty sure the last thing you want in general is someone you're supposed to be with lying to you because if the piece of shit can lie to your face about something they gift you, you have to wonder what other worse things they can and probably are lying to you about. It's not about the diamond.

[@noukan42]

Imagine try to use your ex-girlfriend as a sob story when she has a youtuber and therefore has the platform and knowhow to call you out on your bullshit...

[@puppetmaster4867]

I usually don't comment on videos and mostly forget to like videos I like. But this is the best advert for any sponsor I have ever seen on KZbin. I haven't even watched the rest of the video yet. Amazing.

[@foerfan6400]

Zac is the guy your mom warns you about when letting you walk home alone from school for the first time.

[@azadalamiq]

pretty much. he seems the type of guy to demand intimacy when he wants it, and if you don't give in gaslights you saying you are the problem.

[@DuskSkullin]

Thanks Dreamworld! Not for the imaginary game, but the countless entertainment I get watching Josh's and Kira's videos.

[@GREATGAIWAIN]

Every cutaway to face cam Josh with the different mug is so painfully British. I died seeing the upside down Hyrule one.

[@SuperBotcreator]

The most disheartening thing to me is the fact Y-Combinator let this in. There are (MANY) startups that fight to get large series funding that way, that already have teams lined up from outside networking that would be willing to be signed on day-one to begin development if funding were to arrive, yet these two, with no idea of the landscape they've entered in the gaming market, get a cart ride through the front gates. It's a pity.

[@kaistephens2694]

Nepotism is a disgusting parasite.

[@enderkatze6129]

Wouldn't it have been funny If when He Said "this mug is empty" and He turned it around He Then poured His water/Coffee/Milk/Tea/whatever onto himself

[@KitsuneOfTheNight]

I didn't realize when this video came out, but a superbacker on Kickstarter isn't someone who's put a lot of money into a single project. It's someone who has backed a lot of projects on Kickstarter. It's a Kickstarter thing, not a project thing

[@Johndiasparra]

How can someone look at this dude(the one "making" Dreamworld), and feel good about anything hes involved with? His body language and facial expressions are deeply subconsciously uncomfortable to me.

[@loafywolfy]

YES i cant be the only one that instantly hated his weird facial expressions.

[@imblackmagic1209]

he gave me vibes of a male version of the overly attached girlfriend meme

[@DuncanGrimm]

KZbinrs in a month: "So we have evidence that the Dreamworld team is directly responsible for the blood diamonds market"

[@starblaiz1986]

You joke, but watch it actually happen for real XD

[@katherineminor3402]

Naw because they can't even get a real diamond

[@kori1987]

Ironic, considering african warlords tend to rely on children to fight for them.

[@jordanpowell2242]

@@katherineminor3402 for real plus he thought it would be funny to wear a iron man core speaker

[@skylex157]

@@jordanpowell2242 i would wear anything that glows like that as an iron man core, although i would not use it as a speaker never in my life

[@Orion382]

17:15 the upside down mug had me laughing. Awesome vid and channel overall

[@natterw]

"ill let you in a little secret. This mug, is empty" i dont know why but that really got me chuckling. Great video as usual Mr Hayes

[@maxb2244]

He holds that Zelda mug upside down so confidently I had to double check that it was indeed, upside down.

[@randomfurrygirl548]

Its crazy to look back at this now and see just how far they've come. Suppose scam isn't the most suitable word, more like insanely overoptimistic/confident.

[@mullinsgames1271]

When they said that reality can be stranger than fiction, I didn't believe them. Until this. This sounds more like a script for a TV show than an actual "game".

[@agent_of_cthulhu]

The 'they left me' meme was hilarious. In all seriousness though, I have no doubt that they immediately went on vacation after splitting up the cash and plan to release a terrible build of their store bought assets at some point in the future, as you suggested. Great coverage of this ongoing scam, Josh. I just hope that they don't get away with this without any consequences.

[@beatricelafenestre2183]

honestly i like how just straightforward you are with like the intro email from nord, that's cool

[@mathieubordeleau150]

Looking at a the thumbnail my first reaction was : why are they in Stormtrooper armor... then I recognized the UE base model.

[@damevito9801]

I thought they ripped off Star Wars for a sec buts it’s just another piece of work they didn’t actually make 😭

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@damevito9801 Your videos lack cute animals. On a less important note: Shouldnt we do something? Like reporting their youtube-channel? Or saying something to Kickstarter-Sites? I mean, talking about this is nice and all, really - but shouldnt we 'do something'? I mean, even if we dont fall for it, its an Issue even if were safe, right? If you get what i mean. ?

[@TheSpiritsLease]

@@slevinchannel7589 KZbin doesn't have reporting for scamming/financial deception. That's how people like Onision and Madame or Jake Paul got away with it for years.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@TheSpiritsLease Ouch, i dont even know 'Madame', which means theres yet another lunatic i dont even know yet... ...

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@TheSpiritsLease Well, anyway: You can try. There is a report-option that is simlar to 'Scam' - go take a look! Experiment around a bit with the 3 Dots right from the Like- and Dislike-Button, will ya? There, you find stuff. And while youre at it, you may very well use the searchbar real quick to find some Covid-Deniers, some Nudity, some Racist, or maybe a Coughing, Nude Racist? Wouldnt that be somethin'?

[@vernonbainbridge4015]

Interested to see how the "Fake it till you make it" approach works on MMORPG development. Also mugs hold coffee better when you don't hold them upside down josh.

[@tattah96]

it works for almost everything, elon musk is the best example.

[@golfwangsap1824]

BRO these 'Timeline' videos that cover the Fyre Festival of video games are phenomenal.

[@CronyxRavage]

Tell this to your sponsor: Because of the quality and candor of your endorsement and the fact they let you say whatever you want, I just switched from my old VPN to Nord. Honesty and good faith /work/.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

I emailed them earlier, they've been super easy to deal with so far

[@mor4y]

Have you guys seen the Internet Historian's nordVPN Man series of adverts? People have made compilations of them, they're worth looking up! 🤣🤣🤣 they really do let you do whatever you want!

[@FoxenQueen]

I'm not even into MMO's but I've been following this scam. Two things that I've noted from this video however is that this man has an impressive selection of novelty mugs and the "dev's" ex is heccin beautiful and I hope she's thriving without that liar

[@Julia-lg8dt]

Not the DreamWorld Alpha 2 launch ad below this video 😭

[@RomarioDev]

I just loved that he casually changes his mug to flex his mug collection :D

[@Julia990]

He held one upsidedown :)

[@excitedbox5705]

You know a company is serious when the CEO works as a waiter and is applying for other jobs. If you want to start a fashion company you gotta put 100% into it and more.

[@Jack-kh6sm]

"Kaplan" lol. This is all so easy to understand when you're hip to the JQ

[@SirTowerOfZaid]

Literally me every 5 minutes in this video: "Hey, nice cup".

[@custardclips7751]

A fine collection

[@froiard]

Yeah, but why at 17.34 the Cup is up side down? ;)

[@tylercloutier537]

They most likely wanted to do the kickstarter, not for the money, but to show traction to other large investors. They probably pitched it by saying "see people are already paying for our game".

[@gwest3644]

“Cosmic Imagineer” “Imagineer” just means “someone who designs Disneyland/Disney World rides” XD

[@alpha-0874]

"My Guild Left Me" is an incredible name!

[@taipenn2358]

23:10 “Did they go on holiday or something?” Yes, an almost $70,000 holiday.

[@Terensu-desu]

I appreciate the different mugs in each return shot, only started following your channel recently so I'm not sure if that's a normal thing. Love the breakdown on this scam. Well done!

[@stephanreiken9912]

The kind of person who playing music on their phone in public didn't work for them because the phone speaker isn't loud enough.

[@ttabood7462]

Came for the drama. Stayed for the coffee mugs!

[@FrancoisYzelle]

Upside down mug @ 17:21. Beatiful!

[@AdventurewithRoger]

The Zelda Mug upside down is killing me LOL, so funny Thanks for the Video!

[@count_dcinamon]

this has becoming one of those few things I look forward to every few weeks, kind of like watching an anime series ngl.

[@guilhermeborges7165]

27:18 same vibe as "my dog stepped on a bee"

[@humlegard-gaming]

Dreamworld coming in like: "Dude if you give us money you can literally breathe air"

[@aminekakla10]

i usually skip nord vpn ads but u just cant skip josh's amazing suave voice

[@ObsidianOx-GM]

I love the visual gag of the mug changing throughout the video, nice and subtle form of humor.

[@Mindboggler123]

I'm so glad Bradley Cooper does videos about MMOs nowadays

[@DJogdog]

More like Richard Madden with longer hair.

[@Sorrelhas]

Y'all are wrong, it's real life Spike Spiegel

[@vangoghsseveredear]

I just can't imagine any scenario in which I would need a Bluetooth speaker strapped to my chest. Dropped out of business school? You don't say

[@dandaradealencar8735]

Freud would not see he saying "what people think we're buikding" as a mistake, but as hes uncountious mind betraing him kakakakakkakak I love it.

[@jamesbrooks7698]

Every time I think one of you three (Kira & Callum) has found the bottom of this rabbit hole, another one of you comes along and casually drops a stick of dynamite down it

[@starblaiz1986]

I feel like the three of them are pretty much a TNT duping flying machine at this point o=

[@onevoltten6845]

Oof, I recognize serveral of their assets they used, I could make their entire demo in a couple days. Kickstarter is such a scummy website for allowing these projects without repercussion.

[@falseking989]

Wulf: “Have you ever tried to build your own startup? Me: “No, have you?”

[@Hunniepot]

I could watch 2+ hours of JSH explaining this train wreck of a project to me, I'm all giddy to see how it turns out in the end

[@pancake7183]

I just can't help but notice, that Deus Ex box is placed in such a way that it looks like it says sex.

[@barrelbobcat428s_rebelion6]

I got an add for a music producing software during the CORE section and the transition from your video to that made me think it was a weird joke lol.