Rise of the Scam MMO

#SCAMMO
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With the extreme success of the Dreamworld kickstarter, the age of the #scammo is truly upon us.
here's how shady developers use emotional manipulation, time limits and extreme confidence to separate you, from you money, without actually having a product.
Thanks to the Patreon supporters and Twitch subs for keeping the channel going!

[@Jabrils]

I was like, "JSH how are you going to make a whole videos about scammers & then promise space marines in a mug? Unsubscribe!" lol but that trust worthy reveal thooooo! 🤯🤯🤯

[@Thatonedude917]

Gene-Seed goes down smooth

[@irongeneral7861]

No, he just showed us tiny plastic replicas of the Emperor's children... Like, wtf! Heretic, unsubbed, calling in the exterminatis right now

[@DevvieShining]

Pretty sure it's just a green screen again. Like the one behind him that he won't admit is a green screen, now he also has one in front of him! The gall! Next thing we know, maybe he's a green screen too! Where will the lies end?

[@Chas-OTE]

@@DevvieShining So he was just a hyper-real vtuber all along?!

[@JamieTotal]

lol.... when he said it was full of Space Marines, I was waiting for him to show them. I mean... why would he lie? He was making a point. =)

[@danhealy79]

"Taquito Bandito is Still Wrong" LMAO

[@ladyteruki]

Came to say that XD

[@IshCaudron]

Same here lol

[@TheZenytram]

i didnt even pay attention to it hahahah

[@austincoleman9788]

Its fantastic

[@justinwhite2725]

Did he ever apologize?

[@snerls]

Back in ye olden days, "alchemists" would take a kettle, fill it with their magical concoction (mostly water), a few small pieces of silver, and boil it in front of the lord's eyes. A little later they would remove the lid, and there it was - actual gold in the kettle! They did this by using a glob of wax to seal a couple of small gold nuggets to the top of the lid of the kettle beforehand, the heat would melt the wax after some time, and the gold would plummet into the kettle. They made a show of this, of course, and ended up getting hired by the lord, on quite the salary, and were provided lots of silver to produce more gold. Milking this as long as they could, making excuses, citing more time or materials needed, they eventually took a hike with the funds they'd acquired, never to be seen again. This worked hundreds of years ago, and it's still working today. Except the modern hucksters are less inventive.

[@SaltandDragons]

interesting anecdote.

[@marcopeterson805]

Cool

[@WarpRulez]

Some years ago I was almost fooled into purchasing a fake video card (of a model that apparently I cannot write here without the youtube filtering system immediately removing my comment, but the company name starts with an N, and the card model name is a three-letter acronym starting with an R, followed by a large number starting with 2), but I cannot write about it in youtube comments (as a warning on how the trick works) because the filtering system just keeps removing my comment. But yeah, it goes to show that even people who think they can detect such tricks sometimes can't.

[@vixxcelacea2778]

@ayy lmao Hermetic alchemy is about a philosophy. Alchemy isn't a real thing. In the beginning it was the guess work of natural science, but in practice and in the idea of what most people think of when they think of alchemy, it's the same as astrology and magic. It has no basis in reality.

[@vixxcelacea2778]

@@WarpRulez So does KZbin remove it because they think that by you saying it that you are a scammer advertising a well known (well known enough for it to be part of a AI filter system) fake video card? I find this comment very dubious, almost as if you're trying to get people to look up or try to find the card. Which if so, this would be the weirdest way to do so, so I think that's not the case, but this is the internet, who knows. KZbin isn't good at actually removing comments that are spam or adverts, especially fake ones or scams, so I'm skeptical to say the least. You at least should be able to say NVidia and then hint at the number of the fake video card in question.

[@wolframsteindl2712]

I've heard that scam emails are intentionally written using bad grammar and several misspellings to weed out all of the people intelligent enough to deduct from that that it's a scam.

[@Palosiam124]

I thought it's to evade spam filters?

[@hugoehhh]

that that > that, that

[@user-wr8bs8vx9r]

@@hugoehhh It's wrong grammar regardless though? I'm asking.

[@Dong_Harvey]

It also portrays the scammer as being a vulnerable person with few options but to hurriedly send out a message to the 'only person that can help them' The Mark. There are perfectly written scams out there, but usually they are just the second step in social engineering, by appealing to a shared superiority between peers

[@hugoehhh]

@@user-wr8bs8vx9r ur right, he would need a new sentence even. commas cant fix everything

[@JustOneMoreChild]

A thing to note: the belief that "I'm smart enough to avoid being tricked" or "I can tell when something's a fraud" are themselves exploitable beliefs. I have heard that some confidence tricksters use others to assuage the feelings of shame and broken pride.

[@reidleblanc3140]

Yes, I know this happens a lot with "fake gurus;" people realise they were tricked and are not willing to warn others because they don't want to admit to the public that they fell for it.

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

@@reidleblanc3140 well, personally my pride means more to me than the fates of others so there is no way in he'll I'd warn anyone if could possibly make ME look bad. "Good luck everybody else", is my entire life's philosophy lol

[@teddd7431]

@@etinarcadiaego7424 That's a pretty weak "life philosophy"

[@WarpRulez]

A couple of years ago I was _almost_ tricked into buying a fake RTX card. For some reason when I try to explain how I got tricked, youtube immediately autoremoves my comment, so it's very hard to explain it (as a warning to others). I wonder if the youtube comment filtering system thinks I'm trying to scam people with a fake RTX card.

[@JuMiKu]

@@WarpRulez Probably. I had the same experience, when I tried to tell someone about some studies that proved masks and the booster worked. (Maybe this will also immediately be deleted.)

[@SpectralSuperSonic]

"Ah yes, man is recording himself with a camera and puts the focus on himself-- oh god the background its out of focus it's fake!" --Words of the lunatic known as Taquito Bandito

[@agent_of_cthulhu]

Also, it's not like he is surrounded by gold bricks or 10,000$ guitars or something crazy like that. It's just games and while they are expensive and I'm sure there is a lot of them, it is entirely believable that pretty much anyone who likes games enough could have invested the money for a collection of this size.

[@luckyducky7819]

Did he ever apologize?

[@ervinpucchi6951]

@@luckyducky7819 Nope. He's too cowardly to even own up to his mistake. He probably even changed his name at that.

[@ShinePaw101]

@@ervinpucchi6951 That’s why it’s so funny XD

[@ericb3157]

reminds me of several flat-earthers. "omg the picture broke up for one second during a live interview with someone on the ISS! that MUST mean THE ENTIRE ISS IS TOTALLY FAKE! it's ENTIRELY CGI!" i'm NOT exaggerating.

[@tahird3573]

- Tells us how scammers use emotional manipulation - Tells that his mug is full of Space Marines and trust him - Shows us Space Marines - Tells us we can support the channel for 1 pound a month *HOLD ON, THERE IS A PATTERN HERE*

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

But the mug really was full of space marines!

[@Awesomewithaz]

1 pound a month is targeting narcisst

[@FoulPet]

Did he promise something he can't deliver?

[@jiriki1188]

@@Awesomewithaz I thought it was us cheap bastards

[@NBGTFO]

@@FoulPet He's asking for something I won't deliver.

[@thefakenews3150]

The same goes for cults and pseudoscience, the moment you think you're immune to getting sucked into such goofiness is the moment you become vulnerable to it.

[@user-lk7cv8vg7r]

Honestly, I think that is a logical fallacy.

[@thefakenews3150]

@@user-lk7cv8vg7r If so, then that fallacy would have a name, can you say which one? (As a scientist I would be under an obligation to remove it) What I am referring to seems pretty consistent with the "Dunning-Kruger effect."

[@user-lk7cv8vg7r]

@@thefakenews3150 I don't think it has a name. I personally and subjectively think that its a fallacy because thinking " you're immune to getting sucked into such goofiness" could also make you tight-fisted, unwilling to listen, and closed off. It could make you VERY hard to con because you're cynical as well. It's a matter of opinion. Like the slippery slope fallacy. Some think slippery slopes have validity while others don't. Also, Dunning-kruger is not a phenomenon I would consider to be universal either IMO.

[@thefakenews3150]

@@user-lk7cv8vg7r 1. The Dunning-Kruger effect isn't some rare occurrence. It's an integral part of our personalities that is so pernicious it even has an effect on psychology professors who should know better. In one study psyche professors were asked to rate their teaching ability and that was compared to how students rated them. The worst rated teachers tended to overrate their abilities while the highest rated teachers tended to underrate their abilities. Thus the Dunning-Kruger effect must always be considered in analysis in much the same way you consider the placebo effect. 2. A slippery slope by definition would be invalid, regardless of what people thought. 3. If you cannot name the fallacy or at least construct it's formula, it is better for me to assume there is not one, rather than there is. 4. I'm not sure if you understand my original premise: which is; the more you think you can't get tricked the more likely you can. That seems to me to be quite in line with what is happening during the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@imasspeons]

@@thefakenews3150 I assume that was a subtle dig at JP? If so, I appreciated it.

[@Hotshot2k4]

While there have been examples of "sexy" conmen, conmen have never been sexy. History remembers the most incredible stories, but in reality people have been lying to others for a profit for as long as people have wanted things that they didn't already have.

[@neekfenwick]

Your first sentence disagrees with itself. If there have been examples of sexy conmen, then there are conmen who have been sexy, unless you're leaning on your quotation marks, the meaning of which is not made clear.

[@Hotshot2k4]

@@neekfenwick It's been 9 months, and I'm not going to rewatch the video to remember the context for my comment lol. If I had to guess (and that's the best you're going to get), I meant that maybe some of them have a certain charm to them for how they do things, but that there is nothing sexy about tricking people in order to steal from them. Like how maybe there are sexy coal miners, but there's nothing sexy about being a coal miner. The fact that you can make an action look sexy doesn't mean the action itself was ever sexy.

[@neekfenwick]

@@Hotshot2k4 good answer :) I think your quotes around "sexy" nuanced it and I missed that. I was being quite pedantic, not a good look for me. Take care :)

[@ultimateqmazing2537]

Lol I just LOVE how petty this man is. “Taquito Bandito is still wrong”

[@boooo13]

I'm kinda hoping he makes a counter of how many has has passed since proving Taquito Bandito wrong with no word back

[@gianghuynh9570]

It’s not as petty as Bandito who used vulgar language and remained stubborn even after two separate invites from JSH to join his twitch and discord to receive live footage of the real room. This is a good lesson: be strong with your conviction and push back the trolls.

[@kainaanriordan4014]

Dude seeing the saga of Taquito Bandito unfold has been the highlight of my days 😂

[@chiproll1969]

Its a conspiracy Josh is Bandito to get updoodes on the reddit

[@elementalgamer0732]

He's British. Of course he's petty. And I'm all for it!

[@justinwhite2725]

Oh wow. I never knew the expression 'have a bridge to sell you' was based on an actual story.

[@WobblesandBean]

You didn't? It's an interesting story!

[@DarkMan307]

most if not all sayings very much are, its something that amuses me to ponder sometimes

[@WarbossFraka]

I knew about this story, but never heard this saying. Neat

[@Brakiros]

Yeah he literally sold the bridge, multiple times

[@neekfenwick]

@@DarkMan307 What expressions are not based on an actual story? It's something that amuses me to ponder sometimes.

[@anotherneko]

"Better to expect a tiger in the brush than to meet one." - Words to consider when you're looking at a kickstarter.

[@tafua_a]

That prologue about the targets of con artists made me remember one thing I heard about cult leaders and manipulators: "If you think you can't be tricked, you already lost. Because this is their job, and they are way better at this than you are."

[@AnarchoFuturist]

A gaming channel that's teaching people about skepticism and critical thinking. I love it!

[@zixter4756]

Well said, hopefully people that get burned learn from it.

[@funninoriginal6054]

Tbf its nothing new, its just that he focuses more on the MMO side of things. Great content tho

[@Spilsbury1989]

I can't figure out if this comment refers to MMO scams, or a jab at Bandito

[@denome3725]

This might look like drama but for me it is highly educating since it makes me to be much more aware and careful.

[@bobdole8830]

@@zixter4756 Yeah, like witches in the 16th century

[@LexRemlap]

"When someone says "Trust me" and shows no proof they are trustworthy, that should raise red flags..." (Pours space marines out) Biblical level of profound truth you're sharing there...

[@LikaLaruku]

"Trust me bro" is the strongest evidence you can display in a court of lie... I mean law.

[@user-et8vm9cc3t]

@@LikaLaruku Reminds me of that joke about a paper that had, in its footnotes, "Source: Trust me, bro". That's some concrete levels of solid evidence here!

[@realsushi_official1116]

Probably people don't assume they are scammable and potentially will be again. That's part of life, especially whrn you don't do your homework

[@zidahya]

Yepp, thats how religion works. "Sure they will be a big reward after you die... IF you work your ass off on my behalve for the next 30 years. Trust me."

[@cyanide7270]

"Trust me bro" is essentially the very basis of the Bible, so i love the irony in that sentence.

[@VossMarionette]

Its not just MMOs, steam has been plagued with asset flips for years. Those con artists will try to ban and sue anyone who exposes them.

[@skotchasdf5678]

It honestly baffles me how in the same story, merely one introductory statement away form each other, the oblivious son of a bollock manages to fit "Today I find that the games are all the same" and "... The goal of the game is to fight the evil creatures to protect the people".

[@BarronVonSchnoot]

?

[@13th_Ghostly_Grimm]

I just thought of a concept of a MMO you play as a beast or monster and their are bounty's for humans the stronger the human the higher reward.

[@TheAcroninja]

when i saw his Space Marine mug, i thought to myself, "imagine if its full of space marine minatures". then boom it is, i nearly fell out my chair.

[@hjalfi]

I've just been watching Captain Disillusion, so for a moment I was expecting a CGI space marine to climb out of it.

[@ahmadmalik3549]

But why? Why there are space marine in the mug?

[@hjalfi]

@@ahmadmalik3549 The real question is, why _isn't_ there a space marine in the mug?

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@hjalfi Because the alternative was it being full of tea-ranyds

[@TheAcroninja]

@@ZorotheGallade that was amazing, well done haha!

[@blampfno]

P.A.R.R. Play After Release and Review. I call that one 'The Rule of '76'

[@isssma0]

Sadly, lots of great games would not exist today, had it not been for risks people take. But less people would be willing to be risking it for a game, for the benefit of some selfish people.

[@Treklosopher]

@@isssma0 Like what?

[@METALmurdererOG]

@@Treklosopher wasn't Minecraft partially crowdfunded at the start? Edit: nah it wasn't, few games I like (7DTD comes to mind, but ppl either love or hate it) were crowd funded

[@nahuelkid]

And NEVER pre-order

[@TheZenytram]

@@Treklosopher undertale

[@CaptainSweatpants90]

I trusted Josh the second he said his mug is full of space marines, because at this point, I know him well enough. He has proven his worth. He is the kind of guy who absolutely would fill his mug with space marines just to prove a point.

[@ducciboi]

What's sad is that Face of Mankind was a great action MMORPG that felt very immersive but devs decide to paywall everything which killed it off. Multiple reboots but they keep doing the same shit.

[@jamesphan5450]

Poor Taquito Bandito has still been silent ever since 😌

[@TheRealAtello]

Someone should check his profile, I bet he's off being angry somewhere else. Never forget!

[@doxxi5319]

@@TheRealAtello ithink he has been changing his name

[@boooo13]

@@doxxi5319 He hasn't changed it yet. there are even a few people on his discussion page just messing with him

[@TribunalxWarrior]

hes dumb if he keeps silent, a big youtuber like jsh gave him huuuge chance to get big on youtube

[@astropunch7708]

@@boooo13 where can I find it?

[@konstantingeist3587]

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". People have dreams/ambitions but lack skills. I think only a small portion are outright scams.

[@TrashwareArt]

I'm not saying you're wrong but if you find yourself in that situation its important to be honest with your audience

[@ifeanyioraelosi7305]

Should we reward poor planning / inadequate skill? If so, how would they learn to improve?

[@hohhoch3617]

@@ifeanyioraelosi7305 Not what he's saying. He's saying that although Dreamworld is more than likely a scam done out of malice, the majority of people who promise the world - or even just give A promise, may not be doing it because they're inherently bad people. So we should hold the death threats and harassment (not that that's appropriate anyway) because more than likely, the people/person just doesn't understand the sheer undertaking of what they're promising.

[@ifeanyioraelosi7305]

@@hohhoch3617 Good point. My question could be rephrased as: Should we avoid criticizing devs that don't meet expectations due to lack of skill? If a Kickstarter dev has shown no proof of the capability required to finish an MMO, can we call them a scam? How do we tell they are not trying to set up a scam?

[@Dkgow]

@@ifeanyioraelosi7305 This same question could be asked about AAA devs and companies. We all call Fallout76 a bad project, and a crapshoot, but was it a Scam? They wanted our money, they promised a lot, they didn't deliver to a lot of people's standards. What about EA and Battlefront2?

[@ExtremeBirdTypography]

I actually went "If there aren't space marines in that mug I'm disliking." Well played.

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

Josh, you have a keen talent for teaching us how complicated schemes work in language people can understand. Your examples have allowed my to better understand the pervasiveness, deviousness, and complexity of the modern hustler in the world of software development. THANK YOU!

[@idontwantahandlethough]

You just used the words 'deviousness' and 'pervasiveness'... I know for a fact you don't need anyone to break anything down into smaller words for you ;) It was a nice compliment, but clearly you're just a con artist preying on Josh's emotions! I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING!

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

@@idontwantahandlethough I have no hidden agenda, and speak plainly. The compliment was genuine.

[@alibaba1550]

@@DARIVSARCHITECTVS he is joking bro

[@DARIVSARCHITECTVS]

@@alibaba1550 Oh... okay.

How can we not trust Josh after what he did to Taquito Bandito?

[@serencefrostbite3362]

How can we trust Josh after what he did with the mugs?

[@FerrousAradicen]

The average MMO gamer is gullible, the whales however are extremely gullible, they'll pour thousands of dollars into a dead game just because they can.

[@LiQuidFlav]

The whales are the biggest problem for anything, they are the sole reason these scummy companies stay afloat

[@WobblesandBean]

@@LiQuidFlav The scummy companies are the ones using psychological warfare to seduce those whales in the first place. It's truly diabolical.

[@thisguydiablo]

What's your opinion on star citizen?

[@marioanothlp]

@@thisguydiablo Nice progress bar simulator, however too many P2W features added to webpage, shame about the game...

[@LiQuidFlav]

@@WobblesandBean I think a lot of them are fully aware of the tactics sadly.

[@kevinc9065]

I wish I was able to articulate the con artist like you did in this video. A few years back, while in college, I had some room mates get sucked into a MLM scheme and I couldn't convince them of its real nature. Young 18-19 y/o kids are surprisingly gullible if they have had nothing but trustworthy adult figures in their lives going through school. Not going to lie I saw it as a very tempting pitch too, but it just felt off and I am almost ashamed to admit I wanted to believe the lie.

[@mattwo7]

I've been watching Kickscammer and I have noticed the emotional appeals and tangents for the ones that _absolutely were_ scams that Hanlon's razor didn't apply to.

[@Gravewhisper]

Josh Strife Hayes: "In this video I will tell you how to spot a conman!" Also Josh Strife Hayes: "Here's to BE a conman!" :D

[@HighPriestFuneral]

Once you know how their system works, it is much easier to be on guard when you see the warning signs.

[@drmedicechsrick8702]

to know your enemys you have to become them first

[@dudeistpriestman]

Face of Mankind was an AMAZING game. a fully player-driven world, a true role-playing game with miners and merchants, to miscreants and mercenaries.It really lived up to what that kickstarter paragraph. It was so much fun, I was so hyped for the kickstarter that would bring it back. I must have thrown at least a months pay at it. Then it was funded, but I barely even had time to be hype because like a week or maybe 2 weeks later it was shut down again. I miss it a lot, and I hear some dudes are working on a more modernized version, but I can't remember what the project was called...

[@Nixahma]

This other comment said its called Mankind Reborn

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

18:05 THE MINUTE you mentioned that you'd need proof to believe it had space marines I KNEW you would pull that BS. I laughed out loud when it inevitably happened. Great job mate.

[@badrequest5596]

"TaquitoBandito is still wrong" I like your pettiness. It's delicious. Like a taquito!

[@scottyfox6376]

Fully Loaded Taquito ?

[@TheBrokensaintvxvx]

Actually, that's a Ultramarine mug filled with chapter-less heretics.

[@UnicornVatar]

*slaaneshi screech*

[@XraynPR]

No Ultramarine symbol on it, text just seems to say "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHH" It's a Sly Marbo mug

[@TheBrokensaintvxvx]

@@XraynPR ah yes, sly marbo... who also isnt a space marine. the mug is blue. Ultramarines are blue. Before you say "buh, but so are space wolves!" Theres not wolf pelt. It's a smurfmarine mug.

[@butterlerpunch]

Full of codex astartes nonsense!

[@TheBrokensaintvxvx]

@DANIEL BIN OMAR - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

[@lxchronic420xl]

Blows my mind how this channel don't have way more subscribers. Keep up the great work Josh! You make some of the best videos out there.

[@monstrosity6738]

In the wise words of Lil Wayne: "Real g's move silent like lasagna"

[@everrest8830]

The space marines section was absolutely brilliant, well played Mr. Hayes

[@djvycious]

This is really a PSA for life. The link to this video should be on hand every time a white van 'high end' audio installer pulls up to someone in a parking lot, or a sketchy game goes up on kickstarter. Beautifully done Josh.

[@Kalarandir]

'Hustle' a fantastic show that even after countless re-watching I still love. They got the mix just right with great actors, sets and plots.

[@0shawhat]

I love watching your videos! I can't believe there's other MMOs being made, especially scammy ones...

[@adalwolf12]

Face of Mankind was an amazing free to play game in the very early 2010s and I've never been able to find anything like it since. It all went down hill when they added P2W armour then were Greenlit on Steam which they then made Buy to Play just to shoot themselves in the foot... At the same time they started a Kickstarter where they promised to overhaul the game which never happened after they slipped off into the darkness and shutdown the game like the greedy grifters they were. There's actually a spiritual successor that's still actively receiving updates called "Mankind Reborn" that hopefully could do well if treated properly.

[@Dreznin]

FoM was great in its original incarnation, back in 2006-2007 - I can't say how the early 2010s version was, I never knew it came back, but I have fond memories of running with the Brotherhood of Shadows way back in the old days.

[@adalwolf12]

@@Dreznin Had a good start when it relaunched in 2009-2011 with large factions like the FDC and LED easily above 80-100+ players online at any time if I remember correctly. Sadly the games population dropped steadily as people got bored and it limped along with 3-10 active players per faction until it released on steam which gave a huge boost but there was just nothing there to keep players engaged but combat, production, and a cash shop so it quickly dropped again and she shutdown.

[@gastonslashx]

Was Taquito Bandito an actual person or is it just a con that Josh is pulling on everyone? Anyone got the original comments?

[@KyriosHeptagrammaton]

I was wondering that myself

[@hcbigdogdoghc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3fLXoxtqMmLjrM pinned in this video

[@Vanished_Mostly]

@@hcbigdogdoghc Thanks! I don't even know who this KZbinr is, but him pinning a strange accusation and argument is a pretty good sign.

[@thestarkye6604]

*proceeds to show screenshots and links and then puts another sign saying "Notsag was wrong" for a couple of videos*

[@gastonslashx]

@@thestarkye6604 that would be awesome.

[@chriscastellano862]

When you poured the space marines out of the mug, and made eye contact with the camera, it was one of the stronger statements I'd ever seen made on a video like this. There's something shockingly unusual about someone saying "This is what I have, and it sounds really weird" and actually showing it, without any weird tactics. Thank you for not abusing our trust and support all these years, Josh.

[@leakahoshi5049]

I rarely play MMO, but your personality just keep pulling me back to your channel.

[@MiteXXX]

Space marine mug being ACTUALLY filled with space marines! Thats brutal, what a power move :D

[@MickasLOL]

That baffled me, holy moly XD

[@lqu]

Scamartists when they start a Kickstarter MMO: *"Here come... the clowns..."*

[@alissonlares2926]

I dunno why new developers always start with MMOs, besides trying to scam, many others are actually trying to make something but they just get lost. Why MMOs? Why not make a good single player game that is so much easy to develop and to distribution.

[@lqu]

@@alissonlares2926 Ambition is my best guess.

[@011egis]

@@alissonlares2926 cuz who is itching for yet another single player RPG, people want a fun engaging MMO that isnt 60 years old

[@alissonlares2926]

@@011egis that might be a niche, then. Because if you look out for successful indie games, at least 80% are single player games. The most famous modern rpgs are not am mmo, right? Skyrim, The Witcher 3. This are AAA games, I know, but they are not online, and are famous anyway. Also you missed the point of my comment. I am not saying to not make a MMO. I am saying that MMO should never be your first project. Get some experience in game development, then you may try something.

[@luketfer]

@@alissonlares2926 Not only that but there are OTHER genres which are barely getting filled. I mean since Command and Conquer faded into obscurity I'm sure there must be a market for a good Real Time Stratergy game, there's a niche but nobody is filling it atm.

[@348joey]

9:39 Actually, its a sequel to "The Fourth /Comming/". That's probably how it avoided being found by the actual copyright holders. It's a con disguised as a typo.

[@Miridia]

JSH I can't believe how fast you've grown your channel. It's insane. I remember subscribing to you when you had around 600 subs and now look at where you are. Great job.

[@taliats]

Face of Mankind was not a scam, it was actually a very fun MMO that I used to play the shit out of. It was a purely player driven roleplaying game, the only NPCs were some tutorial quest givers and some hostile aliens on one of the planets (I actually started a cult that worshiped the aliens funnily enough). Almost everything in the game was player run, and it was great. And then they fucked it up with this fall of the dominion bollocks. And the claims on that kickstarter page were all true. The problem was that it outlived its appeal and slowly started to die and instead of letting it go out gracefully, the Devs just refused to let it die. A sad end to an amazing game that took up a lot of my childhood. It was a game that did exist, the problem was the devs refusing to let go of something that had seen its prime. A great game that ended up in the hands of a bunch of idiot devs. I am still in touch with a few of the game's community members, Face of Mankind is a massive can of worms.

[@MalekitGJ]

according to wikipedia, the "infallible" sauce, it was sold to Next Inc. on 2013, that's when shit hit the fan as fast as a pro speedrunner.

[@BarkleyBCooltimes]

The take away for me is that "con man" is "confidence man." I never really thought about "con" as "confidence," but as "scam." "To do a scam" and "to do a con" were the same thing to me.

[@nebufabu]

"Confidennce" meaing "a scam" comes from another scam even older than selling the Brooklyn Bridge. Certain Samuel (or William) Thompson (not to be confused with a lot of other notable ppl with the same name) was just strolling around New York chatting up rich guys (he was quite good at appearing as one of their set) then asked them if they have "confidence" to lend him something valuable, then just never talked to his new "friend" again. It didn't work _all that_ often, but it did often enough to prove being rich doesn't make you scam-proof.

[@zealot246]

you're also correct, confidence man was shortened to con man, then con became synonyms with scam

[@davyse]

It's always good to remember that we're all more likely to fall for scams than we think we are. Great video.

[@waleedkhalid7486]

I love that you still have that board up. Also, your mug is awsome.

[@victorhladun2751]

Hey Josh,you got an OnlyMugs or something? These mugs look really good,and probably deserve a vid on their own ( a patreon reward?)

[@gamecastcollective]

Bruh

[@konirtemori6845]

id pay 👁️👁️

[@TopherBinx]

Someone quick, make a website named OnlyMugs and sell anything but mugs.

[@almightyderpy]

This guy market's

[@TheChadTI]

Icing on the cake.

[@Chomper_r]

I just don't understand how anyone sees these and thinks, yeah, this ought to be good. Dreamworld especially, the "trailer" looked TERRIBLE.

[@YokomichiSilver]

People are gullible when it comes to just about anything. I mean during the days of the old west you had snake oil salesmen who would go from town to town peddling their wares and tricking people into buying what may be a cure for baldness or perhaps one that increases your beauty only to not realize that these tonics are just watered down mixtures of who knows what. Conning and tricking people is as old as time itself and has been around for who knows how long. It's just changed over a period of time and now takes on a digital face and by using the right methods you can get just about anyone to buy into whatever your trying to sell.

[@alecmckee14]

I just noticed you had Timesplitters 1 and 2 on your shelf, absolutely deserve a shout-out for that because those games are underappreciated gems!

[@maleficara]

The face of Mankind was such an enjoyable, experience. I never saw such a group of toxic clowns manipulating and abusing administrative powers for kicks. After a case of harassment from one of their support staff, I was actually brought on as support. At one point, we had known exploiters given a free pass because they had KZbin channels; the exposure was worth it. Yeah, it was, an experience.

[@housefullofransackery3505]

Just going to scream "SHOW ME THE SPACE MARINES" at anything that seems sus from now on 🤣

[@CharonsNightmare]

18:06 I KNEW YOU MAD LAD HAD A WHOLE SQUAD IN THERE! XD

[@bsharpmajorscale]

I don't even like MMOs, but this was super interesting. And a great explanation of scammers and con men tricks.

[@EdooMeedo]

just wanted to let you know that i appreciate your existence josh. you are what the world needs... in larger quantity, but i guess thats why i can appreciate your quality even more... Thank you from my heart and soul

[@Doc_Alchemist]

The best part of this video: "Taquito Bandito is Still Wrong" in the """Green Screen""" Josh clearly uses

[@Arkhavist_S]

Pitch: an MMO in which all the player classes are different nerd-themed mugs. Tea and Coffee are the morality alignments.

[@richardhanck972]

/me prepares a class for the alignment of Cocoa.

[@Berserker1041]

there should be a new morality alignment! Space Marines!

[@user-mx2qx4rl9o]

Yes, expansion could be juices

[@ericb3157]

reminds me of Josh's earlier video about "a tale of toast".

[@corruption191]

This video actually showed me the game I played that I could not for the life of me remember, but have fond memories of, Face of Mankind, a RP based MMORPG that had factions, with ranks held by actual players, the chief of police? A Player, the Mayor? Also a player, I remember being a police officer, and also as a villain and going to jail as a criminal and actually doing in-game time which was some mini-games.

[@John-ty6vw]

The Space Marines in the mug was an excellent touch. Bravo, sir.

[@Tall_Order]

The more you describe scammers the more they sound like politicians and news companies lol

[@danobra]

Isn't that what politicians are anyways?

[@Raxilla]

Or the original scammers: the church.

@@Raxilla Did you mean prostitutes? Same basics...

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@bluenorth3965 LOL @ "fake bckzines". You're not very bright, are ya champ? (edit: to spell it out for you, no I don't mean the misspelling; I assume you did that because of some filter youtube has put in place for covid misinformation. That, or it's just another case of you being kinda dim. What I was referring to is you genuinely thinking the vaccine is fake. Absolutely hilarious, thanks for the laugh bud)

[@Scorpius165]

Because they are.

[@taipenn2358]

Long ago all the Kickstarters lived in harmony. But everything changed when the Dreamworld attacked.

[@kenefdz]

There is a fan film equivalent to what is happening in the MMO community... Long ago, all the Star Trek fan films lived in harmony. But everything changed when Axanar attacked."

[@lmao_nope]

Meh, Dreamworld is one of a thousand similar scams. It's not the first, not the last, and not even particularly big. Just got a bit of attention.

[@chunkblaster]

You spelled Star Forge wrong

[@eonaalythia8525]

Great video, the way you describe conman really reminds me of my eldest cousin. He is not a conman certainly, but the way he ask for loan money from his families and friends really reminds me of one.

[@gnomeknight2311]

I have a friend who’s a retired prison guard. He would play cards and liked murders. They would tell you exactly what and how they felt about things. Con men were too stupid to be clever but arrogant and self centered that they thought they could fool you.

[@lemarsiste597]

The fact that you're still committed to the bandito bit, classic, subtle, comedy!

[@xNico1412]

So with that sign I'm going to guess that Taquito Bandito didn't apologize?

[@r3gret2079]

Eh he never will. People like him can't accept they were wrong. So he'll likely avoid commenting forever.

[@sadhappy8860]

@@r3gret2079 What a silly thing to get upset about in the first place

[@r3gret2079]

@@sadhappy8860 I fully agree. He was just such an ass about it, now he looks stupid to hundreds of thousands of people. I'll admit I dont like being wrong either, but I can still admit I was wrong. But over a backdrop? What a nothing burger to get so rude n angry about. I just hope he takes this situation into account in the future before acting up again.

[@johannoas1]

As I was googling the name I guess he is a toxic 14 year old that has too much time ranting random people on the internet

[@r3gret2079]

@@johannoas1 omg how tf did I know that would be the case. Kids are crazy. But hey, thanks for the added context!

[@raptoraurion]

That smug after revealing the mug's content was so good

[@businesshobbit4944]

Really gutted hustle ended, definitely one of the best series out there!

[@RavienGaming]

A great video with good advice not just for spotting MMO scams but scams in general. I work retail and the number of customers who have told me they got scammed is just depressing.

[@exturkconner]

I enjoy that the one guys sad about how he's burned out and his finance while he sitting in a clearly expensive office with a clearly expensive computer. You can really tell how strapped he is for finances. Pfft.

[@nabuchodonosormcgalapatram6941]

Priorities, amirite?

[@doltBmB]

Being able to afford an office and a computer isn't exactly much compared to the budget of a full game production. Maybe it's his home office. You don't know. What a stupid comment.

[@exturkconner]

@@doltBmB I guess it's all a matter of perspective. As I see it if you are running a company. That ran a kick starter and your project fails then you should at least incur as much loss as the people who's money you took. So if you have a nice home office you should have sold that home. If you are renting, or leasing, or own an office space you should have eliminated that expense or sold it for more capitol. It's not a matter how much money it is comperatively. It's a matter of getting to walk away without experiencing the same loss as the people you screwed over.

[@looker999997]

I mean, if he were sitting in a filthy crack den, would you be willing to give him money?

[@exturkconner]

@@looker999997 It'd make it easier to swallow the whole "Hey sorry but I had to give up on what you invested on. See we ran out of funds. Whoops." I mean so you are fine with loosing my money but it doesn't look like you are suffering at all for it. He's not asking for money. He's asking for forgiveness and acceptance in wasting/loosing peoples money.

[@blakethetank]

Loving how Dreamworld is the background video playing during the intro.

[@fgzhtsp]

I love that you actually put Space Marines into your mug.

[@antimewpropaganda9503]

To be fair Face of mankind was a legitimate game during its time, it was a bit out dated but it brought something new to the genre of MMOs. It was like Neocron but better hitboxes

[@TheFufuway]

I never doubted, even for a second, that there were Space Marines in there.

[@ThegreatMizuti777]

Very poignant, even beyond the world of MMOs. Everyone needs to hear something like this at least once in their life.

[@schmerzdj5719]

"is there tea or coffee in this mug? Neither, it's a space marine mug, it's full of space marines" lmfao!

[@dragontechgaming6677]

the age of the scammo's has already been here for at lest the past 7 years it's only been the past 3 years that it has gotten much worse. here is my advice do not invest any game on kickstarter and wait for any games to be released on steam or a platform that garontes some sort of refound policy. this will help to make sure you get your money back and at lest gives you a idea with the rating systems to help you figure out whats a scam and what isn't.

[@velgaming4810]

Woo! This comes out the moment school ends for me, never been this early to something

[@kreiselschautvideos]

8PM in Germany 😅

[@billcallahan1641]

I've never had someone so accurately describe how I do my job every day at work as when Josh was telling me what a con man was.

[@ErwinPommel]

Retail?

[@w0ngky]

I hit like when you poured out the space marines. Josh, my man, I love your content

[@velkanzi]

I smiled when you said that your mug was full of space marines ... I chuckled when you tip them out into your hand. Well played.

[@trevorweisberg8470]

I'm loving how there's some continuity and lore to Josh's videos now. Wondering what's in the mug, Taquito's bad opinions, comparing games to Dreamworld...

[@shawnjavery]

I almost got scammed the other day. It's the call that says a box of drugs was mailed to you. It took me an embarrassing amount if time to realize it was a scam, but when they asked for my banking information I knew immediately. It's kinda scary how that works. All they needed to do was have my name and a bunch of official sounding titles to make me feel it was important. Instead of just laughing them out like I normally would to a scam.

[@markuscane8785]

I never doubted, not for a second, that you ACTUALY had space marines in that mug. I knew you gonna pop em up in the end.

[@Mepper.]

There are outright scams and there are cases where the devs aren't smart enough to know what they can and cannot accomplish. What about sustainability? How long does an MMO need to last to be considered legitimate? If an MMO never releases with many of the promised features then we can call it a scam or incompetent failure. But what if the devs release an MMO and support it for one full year before abandoning it because players aren't giving them enough money to pay the bills, is it considered legitimate? I'm sure there are many MMOs that are being or have been developed that don't have a sufficiently large player base to make them viable businesses over time. Does that make them a cash grab/scam, or is it other behavior by the devs that needs to be considered?

[@mistyrob99]

A defendant's character has to be established in a court of law. Which means smilin Aislinn will probably be called in to testify if or when court time comes. She doesn't deserve this crap. So yeah, other behaviour has to be considered. If Zachary and Garrison came out right now and admitted defeat, they might actually be able to win their case. But the longer this goes on, the more suspicious it becomes.

[@Neexxable]

My manhood can barely handle this handsome man and his buttersmooth voice

[@Elias___]

What

[@MercenaryMuse]

The sad music shown in conjunction with images of a blocky character using a flamethrower. *chef's kiss*

[@joergsonnenberger6836]

The funny part is that there are successful RPG games being made with a budget of under 100k USD. Consider Queen's Wish for example. That alone should give you a base line of the funding necessary as multiplayer just adds a lot more complexity, so an order of magnitude more money is certainly realistic.

[@arivana10]

Did that guy ever apologize to you for saying your background was fake?

[@xorinzor]

evidently not :')

[@brieb402]

Probably not🤣 You'd have to be a smarmy internet troll to make a comment like that in the first place.

[@TheRealAtello]

You think someone so aggressively and confidently stupid wouldn't do some mental gymnastics to still consider himself right? He's probably sitting there writing up an essay about how Josh hired professional video effects artists to make Taquito look like a fool, and that he's paid by youtube to gaslight everyone or some conspiracy drivel like that.

[@ericfrancisco6615]

So should we be calling you High Lord Inquisitor Strife now?

[@mistyrob99]

Whenever I talk about stuff or debate people, I'm well aware that many people aren't going to believe some rando on the internet like me. So I tell them how to see it for themselves so they don't have to believe me. But many people won't even do that. The truth is, many people believe what they believe and it is next to impossible to change minds until they learn the hard way. The only people who will agree with you are the people who knew it before they heard you. So nobody's mind is changed. Sometimes the result could be a scam, but it could also mean death - it depends on the case. And you can't learn the hard way after death, because you're dead.

[@HeyThisIsBrian]

I've worked as an intern at a few startups. The explanation at 15:00 is actually pretty common and accurate. Venture capitol is more likely to invest if you have a successful kickstarter regardless of its goals. My first internship had a kickstarter that was only asking foe enough to backpay the work done so far and the rest would be funded though outside investments. Unfortunately, by that point there had been dozens of people working for over a year, and the kickstarter didn't raise more than a thousand dollars. The CEO was genuinely expecting hundreds of thousands. He had stretch goals planned through 8 million. The lesson being some people really are this stupid.

[@Phanatomicool]

5:14 hey wait a minute, pixel topia? that's litterally a screen shot from a Ubisoft game called "Growtopia"

[@CraftyBear975]

I love seeing what mug Josh will be drinking from next

[@AndrewAment]

The whole tax one was an experience my grandmother had. She has dementia and someone called her phone telling her she is overdue on her property taxes. She sold her house long ago after my grandfather died. I was with her in her assisted living condo and told her that it is a scammer! I mean it’s not like they knew but she doesn’t remember she is in her old house. We got rid of her phone for an amazon echo to make video calls.

[@TaeSunWoo]

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