Drinker's Chasers - Kraven Kills Madame Web 2

[@nadilenebudski]

Madame Web killed Madame Web 2.

[@dannypalin9583]

Harder than the P on the Pepsi sign.

[@kri249]

Bet she didn't see that coming.

[@rossleader2055]

You mean I won’t get to see Sydney Sweeney in a skintight spider suit?

[@alida4790]

@@rossleader2055 me is sad

[@Timbuktu407]

Amen! My thoughts exactly! 😂

[@tlk4554]

“And nothing of value was lost.”

[@chasehedges6775]

Indeed.

[@rh31n]

Like nothing of value was gained from this video.

[@krissteel4074]

They did manage to make 10's of millions of dollars disappear, that's a good trick!

[@woodwyrm]

Sydney Sweeney though.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@woodwyrm I hear she’s really attractive.

[@mroctober3657]

When Kraven opened with the voiceover "My mother was in Africa with my dad when she was researching lions right before she died.” I knew we were in for a treat.

[@dearthditch]

“My father was pregnant with me and dying when the lion people saved me” 😅

[@TheWarmachine375]

There's no point of Spider-Man spinoffs if there's no Spider-Man in it at all.

[@nationalsocialism3504]

Bullshit point from a idiots perspective... Marvel made the MCU out of B tier & C tier characters, since Marvel sold off all their A tier characters trying to avoid bankruptcy

[@NickferZev]

@@nationalsocialism3504B and C tier characters???? That’s absolutely not true, at least when it comes to the main Avengers. I can agree with u regarding stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy and such

[@nationalsocialism3504]

@NickferZev your ignorance is shining through... Ironman was a B tier character that movie studios weren't interested in purchasing, i mean even the Hulk got sold off to Universal (hence why Hulk only appears in other people movies not his own)

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

And yet the Penguin and Joker worked with no Batman… it can easily be done if the movies were good. I think a green goblin and venom movie could’ve been great with both movies introducing the rest of the Sinister 6, building up to Sinister 6 vs Spider-Man.

[@nationalsocialism3504]

@Lawrence_Talbot exactly... it's a moronic premise that excuses the absolute incompetence of those involved like they were destined to fail. Ironman was a literal nobody and Marvel didn't even have anyone in the top 3 known characters all being behind the DC trinity... then those characters who were known like Spider-Man & X-Men, they had all already been sold off. Ironman & Captain America coming out wasn't in any way an exciting prospect back then... and I was talking about it in the sweatiest of nerd cirles playing 3.5ed D&D and 40k. Motherfuckers who are such nerds that they paint plastic toys to play a tabletop game with a tape measure were vaguely familiar at best

[@Robwithakick]

"Hey, Kraven! You look a lot like that speedy guy who got killed in Avengers: Age of Ultron. You guys related?"

[@liamphibia]

I'm so done with this multiverse sh!t

[@sparerib5494]

The problem with Madame Web is its about a superhero with no powers, other than seeing the future. They should have made the movie about Sydney Sweeney's character. So, she starts the movie as this nerdy schoolgirl with glasses. But, then she gets spider powers and turns into Sexy Sydney in a really tight catsuit, doing spider stuff and keeping the fan service high and the male-bashing low.

[@ericaugust1501]

haha. good call.

[@bollockjohnson6156]

Watched Kraven last night. The ending was perfect; he Kraved like no one ever Kraved before, but when he yelled "It's Kravening time" that sealed it for me.

[@AscendantStoic]

Peak cinema 😅

[@Shapershift]

It sure was a Kravened time!

[@sparerib5494]

So, you're Kravin' more Kraven?

[@Lost_Delos]

You're so funny and original. You should get an award for your creativity. I definitely haven't heard that dozens of times already.

[@Christopheromoan]

This is an unoriginal and played out joke.

[@lukesmith4698]

That drop off in money for the venom movies was probably caused by the genius writers of the sequels who made venom into a kid friendly overemotional and obnoxious child doing mcu humor. They refused to take their most popular character that isn’t Spider-Man seriously while taking their most irrelevant characters seriously.

[@Thechickinaaronscar]

If it had mcu humor it would have actually made money .

[@Prokaryon]

There’s a Harvard business school study from 25 years ago called the Sequel Project which shows the stats in the box office of sequels. Venom fits that model.

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

Come on Sony, just sink 300 million into a Paste-Pot Pete movie already, you know you want to. I dare you to do it.

[@burmecian123]

Bring back The Wall 🧱

[@itop7976]

And I thought I was the only people who remembered Paste Pot Pete. Marvelous!

[@typhonviserys8288]

Exec #1: "That can't be his real name." Exec #2: "It's not. It's what Spidey calls him to get under his skin. His real villain name is The Trapster." Exec #1: ::Pictures the femboy casting choices and shudders:: "Paste Pot Pete it is."

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

I'm holding out for Mister Banjo myself. I think there's a lot of potential to bring him into the greater shared universe.

[@mroctober3657]

Coming soon to Nickelodeon: That's So Kraven.

[@liamphibia]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Ladykyra101]

Clever. 🤣

[@WilliamTheMovieFan]

That comment wins the internet!

[@josephnjuguna1986]

😂

[@chance_ondriezek99]

It takes a special kind of bad for a movie to perform worse than Madame Web 😂

[@chasehedges6775]

KRAVEN, Madame web and Morbius are definitely some of the films ever made LOL!

[@kieranelliott5607]

We're really having a great year for bombs with things like Madame Webb, Borderlands, and The Crow. Who knew there was room for another one.

[@mroctober3657]

Kraven is a Christmas miracle!

[@Kingdom007Hearts]

Saw Kraven the hunter last night. It was fine Lot of action and blood More than Venom did It’s not worst than Madame Webb

[@chasehedges6775]

Maybe so but that’s not saying much, really.

[@rogerborg]

Thanks, your writing style Tells me all I need to know About who this film is for

[@IronHayden]

So good lol

[@SpruceMoose-iv8un]

Kraven was full of anti male masculine messaging, father is a toxic masculine male trying to raise his sons to be men, the mother is the feminine women who was wronged by the toxic masculine men. The diverse girl boss saves Kravens life and becomes a strong independent women who is a lawyer, who again saves his life again. Sigh.... nearly walked out of the movie a few times but i had nothing else better to do that day.

[@tc98826]

@@rogerborg I dont know what you mean the guy is a poet who speaks in haikus The real issue is He would spend money To see this inevitable pile of crap

[@JaxonG-zg7xm]

It’s ironic how as Hollywood’s quality goes down the gutter, justifiably cynical channels such as drinker rise in popularity. It’s almost as if his commentary about the pathetic state of Hollywood somewhat replaces Hollywood movies as entertainment inadvertently lol

[@dansjansons]

Weirdly enough...reading your comment at the begining I thought what on Earth are you on about... by the end of the comment (5 sec later) I was like... damn, you are so spot on with this! When i started to follow The Drinker years ago, it was because my view and interests at the cinema art was very similiar to his and it was all interest of actual criticism, be it negative or positive but actual criticism with added value nevertheless. And also because his negatives and positives almost all matched for any movie or show. And I am not even remotely close to anything Scotish!!! :D For the last couple of years though.. right, I actually do not watch most of that H-wood garbage but instead listen to these guys having a blast disecting every " heavy scent flavoured piece of art" spat out of Turdwood. Which ironically indeed, provides much more intelectual entertainmnet, the disection part that is. And some rare episodes that would recommend something worth my time to be spent on cinema... I am the generation (X is it...?) that grew up with 80ies action movies, StarWars, T1,2, original Indiana Jones etc etc... And I was hyper excited when H-wood brought the comics and scifi back onto big silver screen in 2000s with suchgravitas! As a 30+yo back then I peed hot when Avengers saga came around with first Iron Man and Cap! The first one to get in the seats! And renewal of Star Wars even got me fired up...before I watched it! Yeah. No. I'll wait now. Or go back to books.

[@KyLewin]

I have spent way more time watching Drinker, MauLer, Despero, and others like them than I’ve spent watching Hollywood’s crap the last five or so years. Less aggravating and it saves a lot of money! lol

[@maxjones9112]

I’ll never understand why Sony thinks we want movies about Spider-Man’s most least interesting side characters. Like we were supposed to get a movie about el muerto, a character that was in 2 Spider-Man issues 20 years ago and a rumored aunt may spy movie. We could be getting projects like a Spider-Man 2099 film, superior Spider-Man film, scarlet spider film, Silk film, a film about one of the spider women, iron patriot film, a showdown between Otto Octavius and Norman Osborn, ends of earth Spider-Man film, a black cat and vulture heist film, a May Parker film, a carnage film, an agent venom film, a film about a serious Venom instead of that obnoxious dipshit in the last 2 venom movies, a Kraven or Morlun film hunting down spider people, and a sinister six film with the most popular Spider-Man villains instead of morbius, but nope, we apparently need solo films about madame web, that blind old woman that never fights in the comics and is just a guide, el muerto, a background wrestler that hasn’t made an appearance since 2005, and morbius, that c list vampire that ppl only know of because of Spider-Man and Blade.

[@dannypalin9583]

John Mulaney has wanted to do a spinoff movie about Spider-Ham for ages and has even written his own pitch. I genuinely want to see this, and Sony could have used it to compete with Zootopia and The Secret Life of Pets. Can you imagine an animated superhero movie with anthropomorphic animals? And it's essentially a Looney Tunes movie? I'd have Spider-Ham over trying to give every Spider-Man villain their own movie.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Madame Web: "I'm the worst Sony superhero movie ever!" Kraven: "Hello there."

[@Peroy1]

It's not nearly as bad as "Madame Web"...

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Nah Kraven is a way better than Madam web. Not a good movie, but no madam web levels of bad

[@pidopero8545]

Mademe Wenobi!

[@dannypalin9583]

Venom will still be around. Part of him got left behind in the MCU at the end of No Way Home. They're going to do the Black Suit Arc in either Spider-Man 4 or Secret Wars. Probably the latter, because Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield are absolutely coming back for that movie.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

WB making dozens of Batman TV shows without Batman Sony with Spider-Man: "Write that down, write that down!"

[@startthebengine]

Those Venom movies were just as bad as Kraven. Anyone who says otherwise is probably the kind of adult man that still wears ironic graphic tees.

[@ralphengland8559]

I can't lie... I thoroughly enjoyed Kraven. It was terrible, but it was kinda charming... not despite it's bad-ness, but maybe because of? I would watch it again (same as I would Venom 1), and would like a sequel. Kraven 2 please.

[@done9137]

No. Stop it. That's why we have sucky movies in the first place because executives know ppl like you will give them money for shit flicks.😂😂

[@Robwithakick]

The trailer for KtH almost, almost makes it look decent. The magic deception of trailers, right?

[@chasehedges6775]

Same with the Dr Strange Multiverse Of Madness trailers. They’re amazing.

[@Сайтамен]

When a man comes around...

[@TheWarmachine375]

Kraven got himself bitten by a lion and gained powers? Sounds awfully like Spider-Man.

[@breach005]

No he was in the Amazon with his mom when she was researching lions right before she died

[@Muxxyy]

​@breach005 there are no lions in Amazon...

[@Theendman42]

@@MuxxyyNor are there water buffalo in Russia, but we got what we got.

[@sexistspaghettios]

​@Muxxyy Then explain why they're called "the king of the jungle" then HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM checkmate pessimist!!!

[@Сайтамен]

Lion Man

[@cubancarp3019]

There are reports that Sony will still continue the universe. If that’s true, it confirms that they’re just money laundering. These movies are trash but I’ll give Sony this, at least it’s entertaining watching them fail and they don’t lash out at fans and instead blame actors. The actors also seem chill and will join fans and mock their movies. They don’t act like their movie was made by Jesus or something. It’s refreshing after dealing with ppl like Bob Iger, mark ruffulo, Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson, Tatiana Maslany, Nia DeCosta, that woman from the acolyte who’s name I can’t be bothered to remember, and the wonderful Rachel zegler.

[@dadocta5168]

Perfect timing! I was just about to do the dishes :)

[@yelsahblah3270]

Say what you want about Morbius but I managed to watch it from start to finish and felt mildly entertained, unlike Aquaman which I legitimately just got up midway through and started washing dishes. I didn't even care, I still have no idea how it ended and have no desire to learn.

[@eliotduke1753]

Kravens last hunt would've been cool.

[@Garviel-Loken]

To be fair to Kraven, I think Madame Web had more than a hand in killing the sequel.

[@indiajohnson]

Reads the title of this video: They were actually planning a sequel!?

[@mroctober3657]

If anything killed Madame Webb 2, it was Madame Webb 1.

[@kerravon4159]

They were _actually_ thinking of making Madame Web 2? Seriously? Wow...

[@redmuskratt]

I know negative youtube videos get more eyes, but in the heart of trying to fix things.... If they adapted Kraven's Last Hunt into a movie, I bet you dollars to donuts it would be fantastic. As long as I'm fixing stuff, a Rogue solo movie would be amazing. Her backstory is tragic and the way her powers work would be easy to grab at heartstrings.

[@therealocgamer9701]

Just remembering when Roger Ebert used to dunk on films using box office stats and Rotten Tomatoes scores-oh wait….

[@FargusPhil2]

I couldn’t stop cracking up watching the new rhino in leaked clips. The cgi looks so weird, especially his face. It’s like a rock with these fake ass eyes from Blade 3 and a nose. Spoilers for the 3 people that care about this movie but I started dying when rhino was somehow launched in the air by a buffalo and then got ran over by a bunch of buffalos.

[@alexey635able]

Didn’t know there was supposed to be madam web 2.

[@woodwyrm]

We all know what we miss with not getting a Madame Web 2; Sydney Sweeney and her Sweeneys lmao

[@toybugcarl]

Joker (the first one) was the only comic book film to be truly successful about a villain with no association to its protagonist hero. Figured they’d learn their lesson the first time Cat woman attempted it but they just keep trying. The only reason Venom did as well as it did was due to its familiarity and of course the tease of it including Spider-Man at some point.

[@HSB819]

So because of this, we're not getting a madam web sequel, damn it, just damn it, that movie made madamillion dollars

[@fabiodelpiero3722]

My fave part was when the protagonist shouted "IT'S KRAVEN TIME!" and my entire packed cinema stood up and applauded.

[@saeeeeed]

Hey Drinker I'd say Kraven is worth the watch. Just the fact that there's no sassy characters or forced quips makes it one of the better comic books-based movies in the last five years (yes, expectations are kinda low now). Russell Crowe's acting is great as a ruthless father, and other relationships between characters that I don't want to spoil here. The only downside to it is that people's marksmanship is really bad in this movie, but that's a running joke with Stormtroopers which doesn't bring the quality of Star Wars movies down. I would like to hear your opinion on Kraven, Drinker. If ever you give the movie a watch either at the movies now, or months later on a streaming service, share your thoughts!

[@robotdude2206]

Yeah, Kraven had a lot of plot armor when getting shot at in open fields. But I agree, the movie was fairly entertaining with some genuinely compelling character dynamics. It could have been better, but it also could have been much worse.

[@MsFated]

We all know there was never going to be a Madame Web 2 😂😂

[@grayavatar9766]

Is Russell Crowe playing Zeus again?

[@barbarianlibertarian9200]

I’m surprised Tom Hardy agreed to comeback for Venom after the first movie. Dude, has been in some of the best movies and tv made in the last 15-20 years. He picks great characters and nails them. Venom was cartoonish it was so bad.

[@ccptube3468]

All films Hollywood make has been trash for many years now.

[@endoftheworldgaming7547]

"Kraven's Last Hunt" was hands down one of the best Spiderman storylines from late 80's early 90's Spiderman. But it 100% is a character that modern Hollywood could not write and make seem reasonable, sympathetic, or threatening.

[@breach005]

Im plugged into all the channels like Drinker, movie news, etc, and still had NO IDEA this piece of hot dog shite even came out lol.

[@kevinjones6020]

I don't agree with the sentiment. Venom movies were fine. I really enjoyed Morbius and have seen it a few times. Went to see Kraven later night and loved the stunts and action. Aaron and Russell were really good. I think the editing of Kraven could have improved the pace a little maybe.

[@joemerkel9699]

"Kraven is a big deal for comic book fans". That, and people who watched the 1990s Spiderman Cartoon. But, you are also correct. He's kind of obscure to General Audiance.

[@doberski6855]

🤔If my choice is between watching 'The Crow', or 'Kraven' at my local cinema. I think I would walk by the theater on my way to the library to get a book to read.

[@LastSunrise1981]

Whoa, whoa. Which "The Crow" are we talking about here?

[@Tim_the_Enchanter]

No Madame Web sequel? Well ... that's very disappointing.

[@chasehedges6775]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TJCID22]

"Kraven is a big deal for comic book fans" SINCE WHEN?!

[@BenDavies1977]

I'm not sure if you're forgetting that the film companies, or distributor, generally only get 50% of the worldwide box office back. The films you've mentioned must have made big losses when you add on at least $100m for marketing 😮

[@julianlord5366]

I actually like the in-your-face craptasticness of the Kraven trailers, because sometimes sheer awfulness is hugely entertaining. And BTW the original 1960s and early 1970s Spider-Man comics with Kraven the Hunter were all grotesquely awful. I can remember reading them as a child and thinking -- what is this grotesque and nonsensical character ? I actually think that Kraven being bitten by a radioactive lion is the single most fun thing they've ever done with him.

[@nimdro]

The notion Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man could work is utter madness. They deserve to loose all the money sunken into this

[@jonesjack6088]

And there was much rejoicing.

[@zaleost]

Honestly if Sony really was hell bent on making Spider-Man films not using the traditional Spider-Man they would have had far better luck just using some of the alternative versions (especially as the Spiderverse films have put a lot more of them in the spotlight), rather than taking the villains that they think they can spin in to anti-heroes.

[@pauld6967]

A movie about ancillary characters is pointless. Without the franchise's primary character, be it Batman or Spiderman, being in the movie at some point in more than a cameo appearance, a secondary character film will automatically go onto my "skip it" list.

[@DomH75]

Sony's Spider-verse films have essentially been 'mockbusters' of the MCU films... The Asylum would likely have done a better job!!

[@Сайтамен]

So they didn't even assemble their Sinister Six which as I thought was the whole reason to make this spiderverse. We have Venom, Morbius, Vulture (from MCU), Kraven, I guess Madame Web (though she isn't a villain), and no sixth member, just like no Spiderman to go against, except those 3 spider girls and a baby Peter Parker...

[@robotdude2206]

Although the movie wasn't very good, I'll say it was a lot better than I expected. Like a solid 5/10.

[@Subninja2012]

Thank you Kraven.

[@thepoormanspoet3312]

5:21 Yeah you're clearly a comic book layman. Kraven is an incredible villain. Basically Marvel's Bane, he's super intelligent, crazy strong and is a really cool concept. Last Hunt is iconic.

[@mercaius]

As a Spider-Man TV fan, I could have been willing to watch a movie about Morbius or Kraven -- if we didn't live in the 2020s and the contemporary media industry.

[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

They should have made Madame Web a story about a female version of spiderman trying to raise spidermen children in a superhero setting.

[@Slyarno2795]

Well the sony spider-man spin off universe is done.

[@chasehedges6775]

Gone, reduced to atoms.

[@DavidBlake-lc6jd]

Why? Sony didn't go with Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, and Sandman. Then they could have made legit cross over films to battle each other. Instead we get Morbius, Madam Web and Kraven. Though the budgets might be lower they were not low enough to justify the cost vs return ratio. That is a sign of ignorant, inexperienced Producers.

[@tomjames9681]

I’ll take a wild guess and say Kraven is still around the worst of the phase 2 MARVEL movies in terms of quality. In terms of writing, Kraven is probably better than phases 4-5. Cap 4 will likely be as well written or worse. People will not group these films together though. Kinda funny if it wasn’t sad. The sludge pipe churns along.

[@t22c]

you mean I'm not gonna get my El Muerto Movie starring Bad Bunny? 😥

[@kurtshastany1945]

All of these secondary spiderman films are being made so sony can keep the rights to the big guy. Budgets combined plus marketing vs revenue have resulted in a profit for them of about 900 million since 2018 and in addition they get cut fat checks for the mcu tom holland appearances. We can laugh, but they are pulling it off

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

Kraven the Hunter at least came out of a place of genuineness. Sure it was soulless, and sure it was a cash grab, but it was its own soulless cash grab. It didn't try to supplant and disrespect a classic movie and erase the legacy of the man who died to make that movie exist.

[@samsmith9315]

They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Sony must be hench in 2024!

[@AscendantStoic]

"It's Kravening time" 😅

[@rogerborg]

I'm treating myself to a double-feature this weekend: I'm pairing a non-watch of Kraven with a back-to-back avoidance of War of the Roherrim.

[@tyron2854]

I liked kraven

[@paranoyd70]

Sony really needs to fire whomever is telling them to make this garbage. Its probably the same people telling them that games like Concord was a good idea. Sony, fix your sh!t.

[@robreynolds721]

I would imagine that Green Goblin is the most popular Spiderman villain for your average, non comic book reader. Venom for those in the know.

[@ChrisW164]

I'm with other commenters that they were going for a Sinister Six movie that actually had Spider-Man. The real problem is the corporate logo and franchise. What is there in these movies that the studio would want to make if it wasn't a Marvel character? Venom is a monster movie, ok, that's something. Madam Web could have had these chicks in bikinis and it would have at least made a few bucks. I would assume studios are throwing money at Sidney Sweeney to film any random scene now and they'll work out the rest of the movie later. But this is something comic book fans used to deal with back when there was a real industry, superheroes are not a deep medium. You're supposed to grow out of them when you reach puberty. Men in tights punching each other is not how you tell a serious thoughtful story. If you insist on doing the genre, the influence should be more like Astro City. I have never see The Boys but little I've heard about it has any similarity to the comic I read. A couple characters with the same names and I've heard nothing of the Boys themselves.

[@roflo2296]

Everyone is so disappointed that the Sony-verse is over. What will we do now

[@bigfoot163]

even The kraven preview looked HORRIBLE 😂😂😂

[@Connorthecatsdad]

Crazy that Sony has lost every dollar they made on Venom trying to capitalize on Vernon

[@Callum_009]

It’s Kraven Time!

[@MrDman21]

Who's cravin' some Kraven?

[@Lost_Delos]

I watched Kraven the other day with a friend. It's poorly written, but man, I had to stifle my laughter a few times. Some scenes aren't meant to be funny, but they are.

[@aaronsimmons6307]

Its not that bad. I owned a comic shop for 20 years and I really liked what they did with this character.

[@redheads604]

sony has no quality control. This is how we got the gem that is Concord.

[@PatoLorenz]

Regarding the Spider-Man thing with Sony as far as I understand in the contract it says that Sony has to make a movie every certain amount of years of Spider-Man to keep the license so every now and then even if they make a shitty movie, it’s still worth it to keep the royalties for the Spider-Man movies. If I’m not mistaken, something every three or five years. Will appreciate if someone can shine some night on this because I’m pretty sure I heard that somewhere.

[@crazyman8472]

I hope Aaron Taylor-Johnson got a huge paycheck up front, because there’s no way this movie is making a profit. 🤑

[@whoknew2273]

Really looking forward to Madame Web 2 : Spun Out 🤭

[@rosmundsen]

I like the first eight minutes of Kraven.

[@Timbuktu407]

Sony can’t figure out that even casual fans don’t want Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man. 😂😂

[@davidedens6353]

they are the superhero equivalent of Hammer Horra movies

[@FollowMarcos]

the venom movies made close to $1.8B. It could have gone to 2.5 or 3 billion if they had the balls to feature spider-man in venom 3 as the final showdown

[@qbuff]

I they made a movie about Big Wheel they would make beaucoup money. He's what the true fans want.

[@Jcarroz]

I DO NOT understand how it’s so hard to get a halfway decent film out of these characters. There is a bunch of already well liked stories that already exist to draw from… how do they keep employing trash writers and directors for these things?

[@spurgurius]

Venom movies have been kind like Jurassic World movies. People just want to see Venom in any form like dinosaurs in JW, even if the movies are such poor quality in almost every other aspect.

[@samtaholo]

Pretty sure that Sony's deal with Marvel to co-produce Spider-Man films together forbade Sony from using the character in their "Spider-Man-adjacent" films. So now all Sony can really do with solo Spider-Man films is to continue riding on the MCU's coat-tails for as long as that's worth anything, unless they want to cut ties with Marvel completely.

[@americanhero1234]

Craven is a "D" list Spidey villain!!!

[@AB-ez4rm]

Canon films were great to rent on VHS back in the day. You knew they were going to be crap and enjoyed it when they were crap.

[@Ladykyra101]

Ya know, I'll never get how this licensing works. I mean, Spiderman was a Stan Lee creation, which is Marvel, right? Then, Sony/Fox buy the rights to a product that Marvel comics created. That's like building a house, squatters move in, then you (the owner) have to pay them rent money to squat in the house you built. 🤔🙄 Maybe someone can explain the logic of licensing. I simply don't get the appeal. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@ThePrckoni]

Kraven is the most moviest movie of all movies

[@ThirtytwoJ]

we need a petition for disney and sony to sell the IP off. ill even pitch in 20 bucks, only way they get any of my money again.