Drinker's Chasers - Picard Season 3 Is Pretty Good!

[@harbl99]

"The Klingons are arming The Village People." -- RMB Old _Star Trek_ was wilder than I remembered. The writers of nu-Trek really need to immerse themselves in 'professional under pressure' voice logs of airline pilots, air traffic controllers, rescue services, etc. There's a video out there of a Lancaster bomber crew audio log from WW2. You hear this slow disaster unfold ("Engine 4 is on fire." "Okay, shutting down engine 4." "Still aflame. Not spreading." "Okay."), but it's all handled with calm and aplomb by men not given to hysterics. That is how a career Starfleet officer should sound: aware of the high stakes, but capable and _in control of themselves_ .

[@turk88]

if the future has any sense, the future space captains will be the submarine commanders and crew of today. Over trained personnel in a sealedl tub that is always moments away from catastrophic disaster.

[@doug1066]

If the Klingons were arming The Village People, what was the reason? An assault on a YMCA? A siege of Studio 54?

[@JeffreyRandall]

Star Fleet was modeled after the US Navy. Of course the Star Fleet Officers are the best there are. In fact there was an episode of the Original show that mentioned if you washed out of Star Fleet Academy, you could NEVER command a Starship. Maybe a freighter, or other commercial vessel. Nudrek has written their Starfleet officers as Shitty assholes or incompetent officers like STD or SNF(feelings). Now is this last Picard maybe the best they've given. That is fine, but Please don't call it Star Trek. It is NOT! I know the Roddenberry would NOT want his name on STD, Picard, or SNF(feelings). Since all three are negative and depressing looks at the future of humanity. He wanted us to know things will work out.

[@jackasslawyer]

​@@JeffreyRandall Obviously, you haven't been listening to real life Navy Officers talk about UFOs "Dude, bro, what the fuck is that! Duder"-actual quote from REAL navy Officers... OOOOOOOOPS 😊

[@ProxyDoug]

I like to imagine MauLer was just playing with a light saber in the back without making any sound.

[@johnmcternan4157]

You know its OK for franchises to actually end. Like really END. Something deeply unhealthy about wanting things to go on forever, time to move on.

[@cbspock1701]

I agree I wished it would end

[@Trakesh]

OP wins the most based comment award.

[@leyenda6149]

Somebody tell that to the MCU. I am just so ready for the return of stand-alone movies. Wish somebody else could take a crack out of telling Marvel movies with their own studio's approach

[@Red-zh7vq]

They haven’t given up on King Arthur and The Odyssey. Nothing will ever die and you’ll like it.

[@chrisholdread174]

Star Trek, Star Wars, and Doctor Who have been milked long after the cow has died. These and other franchises need to end

[@NeekSquad]

I’m just gonna say this and I really don’t care what people think but this point all the franchises that I used to love that they have screwed up for years there’s nothing they can do to ever bring me back and as far as I’m concerned, they still haven’t done a good job on any of these franchises by changing certain things because all it is is their way of manipulating people into thinking that they’re going to give them what they want, but ultimately keep screwing the fans over that have supported these franchises for a very long time

[@edgarplummer6750]

100% Agree

[@cainemarko5021]

I totally understand your point. I get the anger. I absolutely feel it too. But things can change. And when they do, we as fans have to point it out. If season 3 is THAT good. Then we all need to watch it to show the executives at Paramount the difference between seasons 2 and 3. Seasons 1 and 2 were abysmal, and the ratings reflect that. And conversely, if season 3 is great, we should make the ratings the best they can be. So that they (the Execs) have a clear line in the sand. Something that the woke activists CAN'T refute.

[@edgarplummer6750]

@@cainemarko5021 Discover, Lower Decks, Prodigy and season 1 and 2 this show are cannon - how you going to change that?

[@NeekSquad]

@@cainemarko5021 sorry but no that’s like somebody abusing you over and over again for years and then all of a sudden treat you well I’m never gonna trust them again also season three is still just as bad as all the others too much violence too much destruction not enough of actual good story because I watch Star Trek for them to actually have conversations about how to solve problems not just shoot you bang bang garbage that we constantly get with modern entertainment and I feel them bringing back pretty much all the original cast is nothing more for them to make more money off of people by using peoples nostalgia against them the same thing with Doctor Who when they brought back David Tennant it was nothing more than a ploy, and a scam being like hey we’ve changed come back nope I’ve moved on the other shows I’d rather watch the Orville than any modern Star Trek because the Orville at least sticks to the principles of a Star Trek is about and that show can have a little bit more different than actual Star Trek because it’s its own show but I’ll never go back to any of these major franchises. They have abused me too much with their garbage and I’m never going back to the abusive relationship.

[@kevinmccabe7263]

I totally get this viewpoint, but the thing is that if we don't show up as viewers when the studios finally listen to fans then they're just gonna give up and go right back to woke stuff forever

[@yoshiforpm]

A great example of the versatility of old Trek - I was just rewatching season four of DS9 and in the first dozen episodes you have: The Way of the Warrior, a great battle episode; The Visitor, a highly personal character piece; and Our Man Bashir, a wonderful spy spoof.

[@BasicShapes]

DS9 is fantastic. Nu Trek, even Picard S3, couldn't hold a single candle to episodes like "In the Pale Moonlight" or "Duet".

[@stanmoroncini8825]

One of the reasons we've seen Star Trek devolve into characters throwing fits, being emotional and back talking and disrespecting the chain of command despite being a military organization is because of what Robert Burnett said earlier, the writers are people who lack real world experience outside of the schools they've attended and the bubbles they live in. They haven't served in the military, much less any actual wars, so they think a defense force like Starfleet is like high school and college where they were very rarely told no by their parents or teachers and they were encouraged to question and talk back. That type of attitude works in a college classroom, it doesnt work when enemy rounds are snapping by your head. So, they think the military and college are interchangeable and Starfleet officers would behave with superiors, the way they did with their college professors.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

And despite what this once-respected-crew has said, it is still a demeaning mess. What would happen to Seven of Nine when she diverted the ship, to Riker and Picard? This makes me physically ill.

[@thechapelperilous]

@@bruisedhelmet8819 she would have be remanded to the brig.

[@EvilDoresh]

Season 3 is basically them trying to win back the core Trekke audience they've told to sod off for the past 10+ years. Mind you it migth still be _good_ in terms of quality, but they would've never done this if their previous attempts were actually as profitable as they wanted them to be.

[@denroy3]

Question, why would anyone bother watching 3? I don't get it.

[@robbie_]

@@denroy3 I guess that can be answered now. Because it's a fantastic thriller.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Star Trek Continues series is more faithful to the source material than recent Star Trek shows nowadays.

[@RicardoAGuitar]

I loved STC

[@leyenda6149]

What's star track continues

[@RicardoAGuitar]

youtube.com/@StarTrekContinues A fan-produced KZbin series VERY faithful to the aesthetic and mythos of the original Star Trek TV series. You'll have to adjust for the legendary old characters being portrayed by others, but for me the adjustment didn't take long. It is a great achievement by people who clearly love classic Star Trek

[@paulnash9851]

Continues was brilliant, you could feel the love the makers/cast had for TOS from every frame. It wasn’t perfect, but that affection + enthusiasm went a very long way. Some great writing + scripts too. I’d recommend it to any TOS fan.

[@gapeach1339]

It’s EXCELLENT! I wish they had made more.

[@roninmarketingproductions]

I'm with Doomcock on this. Not rewarding people who abuse their fan bases and then throw some crumbs. F that

[@erroneous6947]

I personally agree. I’m glad something trek came out that isn’t trash. But it’s to little to late. Like a fat abusive ex wife coming back a few years later after losing weight. Still a no for me. Even if it’s great. I’m done with trek sw and marvel.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Plus the olive branch they extend they used as a toilet brush. But outside of the slight character brush up, it's still the same retarded nonsense.

[@666chapelofblood]

The abuse analogy is cringe, stop doing it.

[@ocirontariocryptidinvestig8010]

stop watching doomcuck is my only advice

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

@@Mr_Penguins_Pet_Human But it's not good trek. It's also a stain on the source. And most importantly, the lack of standards allows for lowering of standards... it's what got us here today, and will worsen our tomorrows.

[@Voicedude]

Robert proves that I am right with my WGA suggestion: having at least one writer on staff over 50, called the 'Adult In The Room' philosophy.

[@GIBBO4182]

I remember the Drinker doing a video saying he’d never review Picard ever again…we’ll see if that’s true or not!

[@archstanton9073]

RLM said they wouldn't review Picard anymore but they're doing it too.

[@ericaugust1501]

@@archstanton9073 they doing it because they are paid off. I've watched ep1. its rubbish. the turnaround in the later episodes better be amazing if i'm to believe these guys are genuinely reviewing the series.

[@michaelquaid4679]

You have to keep in mind when you have a new showrunner and writers... He would be an idiot not to check it out with new people involved

[@ericaugust1501]

@@michaelquaid4679 he didn't just "check it out". He and all the usual suspects were invited for a full screening BY the studio. and not a single critical thought? something is up.

[@Dreelman]

Isn't it a curious thing they've all decided to accept to watch the show again? And, by some miracle, they've all come to the same conclusion at the same time-it's so good now! My goodness. Well, this is somewhat disappointing, but even before Littlefinger said so I learned not to blindly trust people a long time ago.

[@paulnash9851]

Why does no-one ever mention James Blish. One of the greatest writers original Trek ever had. From TOS episodes to the TOS books. He was really prolific in Trek + he never gets mentioned.

[@jimjam51075]

Blish saved me when I was 15. His collections of episodes in collected short story form were amazing. I couldn't afford hundreds of dollars for the VHS tapes of episodes I couldn't catch on TV.

[@TapCat]

As far as I can tell, he never wrote an episode of Star Trek. He wrote novelizations of existing episodes. It's the writer who create a story that will get the bulk of the praise regardless of how good an adaptation may be (and his were very good).

[@batmanuel9669]

No matter how "good" the show supposedly is now, Jean-Luc Picard is still dead and he's still an android. Also, what's up with the lighting? Starships have never been so dimly lit.

[@steveouk90126]

Darkness can hide a multitude of sins.

[@jameshernandez5707]

Yeah, but didn't the "android" get blown up at the start of Season 2? Maybe Q brought Picard back in a human body.

[@Tuskin38]

and Spock has been been dead and all we've seen is a copy since Stark Trek 3, what about it?

[@wilder11]

LOL do you see how your arguments have dwindled from something about its writing/acting/tone/worldbuilding...to LIGHTING. I'm not saying it's not a valid criticism, but I wonder if you've noticed that we're now arguing about things on a lower tier of priority. Which just goes to show how much Season 3 has improved.

[@dason5408]

Its so good to see these talking about a show they love 💘

[@Jammet]

Visually it still looks way too dark everywhere in the new season. I hope they fix that too, soon! That's a working and living space, people want it to look DECENT!

[@steveouk90126]

Lack of illumination is a great way to hide bad work.

[@keysmccormick8630]

Oh yeah, that was the thing I found off putting. I noticed it was better than previous season, more respect towards characters. But the mood was still too gloomy for me. Like why so dark...

[@killerbee2562]

That's been a issue since generations.

[@FlurrioO]

finally we got dave cullen on the show!! 😄

[@MrWiggsy4]

Finally got round to watching it this week. Best thing out of star trek since the 90s. Absolutely brilliant.

[@tristanstadtmuller4874]

I watched it last night and I enjoyed it a lot! It’s the best thing to happen to “Star Trek” since “First Contact” which I still consider to be the best Trek movie.

[@SimpMcSimpy]

😂

[@54syqe]

I’m sorry to say it, but one good season of a god awful series isn’t enough to change the fact that the established lore of Star Trek has been ruined, starting all the way back with Discovery leading into Picard, have we forgotten that Jean Luc Picard is actually dead? this isn’t even the real Picard in seasons 2 and 3….. only way i’d consider giving this a chance is if they make everything that happened in the previous seasons not canon.

[@MikeTXBC]

I think it's telling that Picard is acting more like... well, Picard in Season 3 when the other TNG cast members are joining him. Maybe part of the character's problem was that he lacked the right crew and the right support. After all, a commanding officer is only as good as his crew, and he completely trusts the TNG crew. I realize this is all probably "head canon" since I doubt the writers were thinking about this when writing Seasons 1 and 2, but if we're looking for an in-universe explanation, maybe we could just say that until now Picard, as an old man who doesn't have the same vitality he did years ago, felt alone, vulnerable, and unsure of himself without the crew he spent years with and trusted with his life. And if that's the eventual in-universe explanation, I would love it because it's so damn human. People feel stronger surrounded by those they trust and can rely on, and it's true that we grow older, and our physical (and mental) capabilities lessen, we become more hesitant and less confident without sufficient support.

[@tmass7013]

Love how Gary looks like his arm is on the table.

[@greggeiger7532]

Crap I can’t stop seeing it now 😅

[@rossdawgsbrokenspirit9038]

oh youve GOT TO BE KIDDING ! It's the same old pitch black, violent, cursing kurtzman trek!

[@What-he5pr]

Doesn't change the fact they hate the fans and wish we were dead.

[@brandscape356]

One decent season does not undo years and years of garbage. It was a pattern of failure. To redeem itself, we need a pattern of success.

[@mattstorm6568]

It's sad how quickly so many of you will go back to a Hollywood you know hates you.

[@jasongrundy1717]

Not even a season it's only been one EPISODE.

[@philj5900]

@@jasongrundy1717 Listen to Gary at the end - they somehow all got to watch the entire season. Maybe Robert pulled some strings.

[@SpFlash1523]

​@@jasongrundy1717 But they have seen the whole season.

[@mbob4337]

@@mattstorm6568 There's a difference with this. One good season doesn't forgive all the other stuff. You can like, watch, and buy this season. But still not like, watch, and buy the previous bad stuff. And if nothing changes from this seasons positive reaction. In the other shows. Than you can still not watch the other series. It's simple as that. Of course like everyone said. If you're done, you're done. You don't have to watch anymore. But if there's something that's fine. No one hear is saying it's amazing. You can watch this single season and that's it. Reward what's good. Leave when it's bad.

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

This is gonna age like fine milk.

[@sacredbeastzenon]

Why?

[@mjaada]

Robert has seen the full season 3 times

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

That, or your comment will.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Nah, it'll be fine.

[@Luke_Groundwalker]

@@sacredbeastzenon For whatever reason, half the people hate the show - half the people love the show. Angry Joe & Other Joe hate it, Overlord DVD (DicktorVanDoomcock) hates it, then there are people like Robert who love it, people like Drinker who are cautiously optimistic. Meanwhile as far as the fans are concerned, they're like "oh god mom and dad are fighting again". IMO S3 Picard is going to be a big time "watch for yourself and see. instead of just relying on KZbinr opinions"

[@danielclark-hughes692]

Doesn't matter if season 3 is a masterpiece, the first 2 and the actions of the writers have poisoned it all

[@ericaugust1501]

its not a masterpiece. i watched ep1, and it was rubbish. reasons are similar reasons as the previous ones (lack of character consistency, lame scenes, lack of lore consistency, weak dialogue, lots of whining) but because i'm curious as why these usually critical analysers are gushing about it, i'll watch the next two.

[@bagggers9796]

@@ericaugust1501 I haven't seen the first two, but yeah the trailer for S3 looks like it was made by someone who really hates Star Trek.

[@ericaugust1501]

@@bagggers9796 only the first episode has dropped. i'm actually curious as to why ALL of these have all seen the entire season (from their talk its clear they've seen the entire thing)?? did the studio reach out all their most prominent haters for a pre-screen review? This is very dodgy, now that they are all gushing about it. i mean, they not even bothering to say anything critical?? were they paid off?

[@thedublinkitchen9680]

It's great to see you guys together. I'm the same age as Rob and Star Trek was big in my childhood and I still have the Mego figures. I have followed everything over the years. I'm sorry to say I couldn't watch the whole seasons of Picard 1 and 2 or Discovery but after watching the first episode of season 3 Picard I have to say I'm invested again 🖖

[@Cloudkicker64]

I was very surprised to see all those people praising season 3 & yet Doomcock, Nerdrotic, Midnight's Edge & Chris Gore, who are usually in sync with the people here, have the complete opposite opinion. Guess there's still room for a difference of opinion in this world. Really enjoyed watching this & the contrast. Cudos to you gentlemen.

[@maxmercer1931]

One flaw for all Star Trek, except perhaps for Enterprise, is the sense that the future doesn't look to the future from its perspective. All the primary star -faring civilizations are at the same technological level. Another flaw is the absence of ubiquitous robotics and social media

[@BasicShapes]

True, I imagine that's to keep in line with the kind of "sci-fi western frontier in space" feel Roddenberry was going for. They couldn't go all Blade Runner with it. But you're right, anytime the crew ever faced more advanced technology, any negative repercussions were only temporary. In the case of Voyager, they used some advanced technology to protect their ship against the borg and finally get home but that's what I'm saying....nothing _negative,_ just positive repercussions lol. Hell even the Q continuum weren't really a threat to the enterprise because they were interested in Picard. Plot armor I say! PLOT ARMOR!

[@leyenda6149]

Now just get Professor Geek on this group!

[@RandomAussieGuy87]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@Chichaetomate]

Question... If it good because it is truly good Or is it good for current Picard/star trek standards? Do you need to watch the other 2 seasons for it to make sense? Or is it a stand alone thing? If it is a stand alone how do can you justify the first 2 seasons?

[@archstanton9073]

You don't need to watch the other seasons of Picard to understand what's happening in this season.

[@imthedevilkys536]

It's horrible, don't waste your time

[@bluemoondm8629]

IMO, at least the first episode is only good in comparison. The characters feel much better, but the aesthetic is still awful, and the writing is still not very high quality. Dialogue is definitely better than previous seasons, but the actions the characters take are seemingly pretty dumb so far.

[@PubliusRutiliusLupus]

IMO it's only good in comparison to seasons 1 and 2, at least the first episode of season 3 was. It's still mediocre at best IMO, compared to all the amazing other shows out there right now.

[@katrose5179]

@gringott12 …It’s really obvious that she’s either a Romulan or Vulcan. You don’t need to watch previous seasons to know that. As for knowing he’s an Android, it only matters if it’s a plot point in the season.

[@mephistoxarses8585]

Oh dear Drinker.......they got to you too. And before any of you in the comments section says anything.....yes i watched the first episode! Just like i watched the first episode of Picard S1.....this isn't Star Trek and it was never intended to be. How so many of you have forgotten that these people in Hollywood "hate you". Emperor's new clothes.

[@arthursantana644]

Someone had a different opinion than me, they must have been paid out

[@mephistoxarses8585]

@@arthursantana644 KZbin allows different opinions....so far......still allows me to post my two cheap two cents worth and i realise that my comments are "cheap" .....just like everyone else's.......including yours. I also never said anything about Drinker "being paid out"

[@billdoor1569]

I am still shocked by how good picard is, not just passable like the Madalorian season 1 because so much crap came before it but actually GOOD!

[@ImmortalRimas]

Same here I grew up in a household with a Christian Mother & Muslim Father of which I chose neither religion to follow but got all my life & moral lessons from Star Trek especially growing up with The Next Generation

[@lescorlett4133]

This was a great chat guys. I'm going to have to watch the whole thing.

[@Jamie-666]

Burnett forgot to mention Harlan Ellison.

[@Jamie-666]

@gringott12 City on the Edge of Tomorrow?

[@davidwilliam9681]

I think it's gone on for too long and the story is collapsing under its own weight. This is happening with most intellectual properties today. Writers today don't believe in endings. They just keep spitting out content indefinitely until the last dollar is milked. Let the story end before it becomes a gigantic ball of spaghetti.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

How about we all throw love at Picard Season 3. Then Secret Hideout can get their licence renewed and return to feeding us excreta sandwiches. Just how stupid are we?

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@Anoneemus Noename Yup, they are getting smarter. I watched a pretty good Dutch TV series about a secret society of movers and shakers in Holland. Ares. I started to get a bit uneasy half way through. Last episode, last 15/10 minutes. You guessed it: Slavery and white people bad. Face palm.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Exactly, and even if there is no dip in "quality" where this show is now doesn't earn their praise, nor shouldn't. Are these guys nuts/drunk/sober? What happened, they get early access and are now shilling?

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@bruisedhelmet8819 I don't think that they are shilling. Just not getting that this could save the franchise for Bad Reboot/Secret Hideout.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

@@williamvorkosigan5151 Perhaps they are not shilling but they're acceptance of lower standards turns my stomach. And this won't save Star Trek from Bad Reboot/Secret Hideout cause they still own it, if it starts making money they can continue to dance on the grave of actual Star Trek while playing with their cheap and developmentally challenged imitation.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@bruisedhelmet8819 agreed.

[@leeg5481]

Pizza out of a dustbin is pretty good when you're hungry....

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

So I gotta wonder, what lowered this groups' standards? They all left a bad taste in my mouth, and they didn't have the curtesy to say "thank you" after.

[@Lizardo451]

Kurtzman destroys everything he touches. He completely deconstructed the Hannibal property with his "Clarice". Kurtzman has to be stopped.

[@2HatHudders]

Huge fan of Robert! So glad to see this team up.

[@michaelsegriff3362]

Uh no it’s not. It’s still Kurtzman Trek crap sprinkled with member berries, and plot lines and sequences stolen from other shows and films. It has a few good moments and certain scenes with nice performances. But it still has Raffi and the sh** version of Seven of Nine, and other crap.Very odd to see reliable critics like yourself and Gary getting excited over this. Must be hypnosis from RMB and Cullen, neither of whom I’d trust as far as I can throw my desk.

[@Erik-Winters]

Yes, very odd indeed. I guess Drinker and Gary had to swallow so much garbage that anything that is less then 100% trash is like a breath of fresh air... Star Trek is dead, they had their chance for greatness but they sacrificed it on the altar of wokeism.... and it was a messy death...

[@michaelsegriff3362]

@@Erik-Winters Totally agree.

[@Hypershell]

Geordi's daughter is a pilot who wrecked two shuttles, and everybody hates the Galaxy Class for some reason. Complimenting Picard Season 3's humor is like enjoying the "friendly roast" from someone who's been beating you up for half a decade. Just because they're being more subtle doesn't change the long history of reasons you have to doubt their intentions. Beverly in Season 3 is just a less atrocious Seven of Nine in Season 1. And we're all supposed to pretend that there is any validity whatsoever to claiming that Picard and Riker are the same kind of cowboys that Kirk was, not my idea of good writing. Just as Feige has to tell better stories to be more subtle about his activism, Secret Hideout is doing the same to be more subtle about their contempt. It's the same trash, just the light version (and sadly I don't mean that literally; the sets are still lit worse than a horror film).

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Exactly and well put. Just cause shit has been scraped off a shoe doesn't mean you walk thru your house, a smell and glaze remain.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

Don't forget Harlan Ellison. The City on the Edge of Tomorrow. I loved his work.

[@kylebrown5101]

Don't forget Soldier and Demon with a Glass Hand in the Outer Limits.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

@@kylebrown5101 Demon with a Glass Hand....yes!

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Ellison is terrific!

[@kerravon4159]

Without respect we reject, not another penny Kurtzman, no matter how many memberberries you cram in. Never again.

[@NoQuarterNoMercy1]

Drinker, you should debate Doomcock on this. He’s losing his ever loving mind on season 3.

[@jeremybosworth2275]

I think one of Doomcock's biggest gripes is that he doesn't want to see Kurtzman be emboldened by the success of one season and continue to kill the franchise with gusto.

[@bluemoondm8629]

@@jeremybosworth2275 That's kind of like not wanting people to play Hogwarts Legacy because it's success could embolden JK Rowling. Bad logic. Though I think that on it's own merits, the first episode at least is not living up to the hype. Not as bad as previous seasons, characters feel better, dialogue is usually but not always better, but the characters are still acting in pretty dumb ways that make them feel less than competent. We shall see, I'm giving it a chance.

[@roninmarketingproductions]

DC has a point though

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Dictor Von Doomcock is right. STP S3 is just a shoe where the shit has been scrapped off, but a glaze and a smell remain.

[@bigd4998]

For some reason when I saw Ryker he reminded me of Robert Myer Burnett. Glad I subscribed to paramount plus and gave the third season a chance. Can’t wait for more

[@53af00d]

Is it???? I watched the first episode and in twenty mins I saw a gun fight, and execution, drinking, smoking, swearing, drug use, multiple bar scenes, cyberpunk 2077 city, trying to take command of a federation ship illegally. This shit wouldn't fly on TNG, have our expectations dropped so low????

[@InarchusPrime]

I'm also very confused. Most of the people who are praising this thing seem to have seen more than just the first episode, so maybe we're just totally in the dark and it gets way better after this episode, but this would fit perfectly into STD or other seasons of Picard. I feel like they're saying things that just aren't justified by what we've currently seen.

[@SuperSparkyMark1]

Where can I watch the whole stream? Having trouble finding it. Thanks.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Oh, do what they did, promise to shill for Paramount and get early access. Meet your new "access media".

[@johns.1854]

Dave Cullen does great impressions! And RMB is a philosopher king.

[@FlummoxedFish]

Would be very interested in hearing this panel go over Overlord DVD's criticisms of the season. Aside from his point about justifying the continued control of the bad actors, he makes several points regarding events in the season that I think would be interesting discussion points for this panel.

[@aurex8937]

The difference between Overlord DVD and these folks is that Drinker and the others got early access. Therefore, more content in exchange for a surprising positive review. That's shilling.

[@aurex8937]

@Anoneemus Noename I can tell you what happened. They (Drinker) started inviting Robert Meyer Burnett, someone who's actually worked on Star Trek before (producer, writer and editor.) He immediately started going on a tirade on why this new Picard season would have been the best thing since sliced bread, and that even he, who thought the franchise was ruined beyond hope, was ecstatic. That it was GREAT. The others (Drinker, Mauler, Gary) just stood there and looked around awkwardly while letting him do his little piece and being optimistic about it even after having said "Star Trek is dead" MANY times. After this, Drinker, Gary and Dave (Cullen, Computing Forever) received Early Access to the whole season from CBS/Paramount. Then, they started saying it's the BEST THING EVER and, if you said anything like "you're shilling" (when they are, de facto, shilling - they clearly signed a contract and some kind of partial NDA to have early access) they (and their community, of which I'm also part of) called you a retard, basically.

[@DavidMoore-lz4bh]

Got to say , Robert really hit a nerve with me regarding his childhood. I am only a few years younger and share a lot of his experiences from what I can see online.Brilliant commentary and thoughts

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Hmmmm. Im not convinced. They did such a hatchet job on the last two series I just don't trust them. I want to remember my heroes the way they were not deconstructed and neutered. That Kenobi. I couldnt even get through one episode. As soon as it made out a jedi master had forgotten how to even fistfight after ten years. I got on a horse for the first time in fifteen years last year and I jumped a four foot track no problem. You don't forget things like that. Things that you are a master at. I might come back but I hold grudges. Sometimes for decades. Cheers Drinker.

[@PubliusRutiliusLupus]

I'm not convinced, mainly because the first episode was not very good IMO.

[@poopoo7705]

I'm not sold yet either, but the people at the wheel for season 1 and 2 aren't working on it anymore.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@PubliusRutiliusLupus exactly, it was god awful just like the other seasons.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Is it me or are they shilling cause of early access to the whole season?

[@apborick5796]

I buried Star Trek, Star Was & Dr Who in the same grave. RIP. Without respect we reject. HAIL DOOMCOCK!

[@DeusNyx]

Last time Robert was on he was Grey....what happened???

[@whya2ndaccount]

Re the language, its still a bit off. Given Starfleet is a quasi naval organisation, why do we get dialogue in Episode 2 about "reaching out" etc? Ship A establishes communications (or "raises" perhaps) Ship B, etc. they don't "reach out" to each other.

[@BasicShapes]

I can take some overstylized dialogue, but it's just way too much in S3. "What's that thing doing?!" "I don't know, but it looks pissed!" Ugh...how exactly is this not Kurtzmann/JJ trek? These overly neurotic, childish displays given by people who should have years of combat training really don't make sense when portraying Starfleet. Also why is Shaw so belligerent and distrustful of his own first officer? Doesn't that affect crew morale? It would, and any competent Starfleet commander would know that, but the crew are just a bunch of NPCs so I guess it doesn't matter. Why are Picard and Riker, the Doddering Duo, gassing on about the old days while clearing rooms in a hostile environment? Isn't that more than a little...stupid?

[@The_Zilli]

@Critical Drinker - lets see how well this ages....

[@grahamstrouse1165]

It really is nice being able to like things, isn’t it? 🙂

[@BasicShapes]

You know...season 3 of Picard is to Star Trek as Mandalorian is to Star Wars. It's not that good, but it's better than what we've been getting. It's a breath of fresh air comparatively, but not _good._

[@cbspock1701]

Is this a clip from last live stream?

[@texasbeast239]

Disparu's review of Ep.1 still bites them hard for bad writing here and there, but he agrees that the Trek feel and seeing the old buddies back together makes up for it.

[@axelhopfinger533]

Except that it doesn't feel like Star Trek or TNG at all to me, but rather very much like NuTrek still. It's still the same old turd, just polished to a slightly higher shine and with a spritz of deodorant on it.

[@texasbeast239]

@@axelhopfinger533 I saw no identity politics on display. No entitled fake adults manning the crew. But I did see a couple of the two closest buddies from TNG teamed up one last time. CAPT Shaw isn't making it easy for them, but I think too often things were made artificially easy for protagonists in the distant past in order to make the plot happen. This slow burn feels more realistic.

[@axelhopfinger533]

@@texasbeast239 They may well have dialed back on the woke progressive themes in S3 after really shoehorning them in with an excavator in the previous seasons and NuTrek shows, then bludgeoning the viewer over the head with it in a maddened frenzy. But for me it is just bad enough and quite honestly unforgivable, that S3 even so much acknowledges and canonizes the utter insufferable bullcrap all of NuTrek was to this point. And it still looks andf feels so much the same. If Picard S3 would have been a clean break and hard reset in every aspect from the previous seasons, i'd maybe have let it persuade me, but the stink and stain Abrams and Kurtzman have put onto Star Trek is still too present in this for me. My tolerance for bad/mediocre Sci-Fi riding on a wave of nostalgia is just too low to sway me with such a half-hearted offering. For me, The Orville is the new legitimate heir to the spirit of Star Trek, even if i still have my gripes with it. But at least i can watch it without headaches, eye strain or cringing permanently.

[@texasbeast239]

@@axelhopfinger533 I hear ya. I only had Picard S1 on in the background. Never watched S2. Have dreaded Disco enough not to try S3 or 4. But I go back to TOS and TNG all the time. As I've said elsewhere, I won't close my eyes or turn my back to Woke Trek makers. I'm taste testing, but I am still ready to turn and fight at a moment's notice.

[@axelhopfinger533]

@@texasbeast239 You know what Trek i'm really looking forward to? Axanar. That fan film has the potential to be the perfect blend of old trek and new technology, plus people who really pour their Trekkie hearts and souls into it. My prediction is, that it will mop the floor with all NuTrek effortlessly. Will be out this year.

[@Zeerse_Chef]

A few episodes in I'm still waiting for Picard to get good. Yes it's lost the political messaging, but Starfleet still seems an ill disciplined mess more than a professional military. The episode I just watched ended with Riker blaming Picard for making a suggestion which he chose to follow as the commanding officer. Picard seemed to be pulling rank at the start of the episode and subservient to inferior ranks by the end of it.

[@lou1958]

LOL, I too joined the Science Fiction Book Club at around 9 or 10 and still have many of the books. It's where I read Pierre Boulle's original Planet of the Apes before the Hollywood version.

[@ValorDucky]

Nice to see Dave getting more recognition. It was a great loss when KZbin booted his main channel for speaking out against covid. Now his movie channel is taking off. I still watch his main channel on bitchute.

[@mattstorm6568]

Me too, btw, I'm shocked you're even allowed to mention bitchute on here.

[@ToxikDnB544]

Drinker, I wonder what you’d think of a game called Hades. It’s a wonderful example of how to use a video game to tell an incredibly well thought out and mature story about abusive relationships, and one that can only be experienced through video games. It has a central theme of breaking free from a cycle of boredom and misery and has some incredibly loveable and cliche-defying characters. I would 100% recommend you try it out, and I’d love to hear your thoughts on it!

[@DUKEzors]

And a sequel on the way from a dev that doesn't do sequels.

[@mdanam]

Drinker, you are one of my favorite KZbinrs. And usually I agree with you. Not here. It is too little too late. This could be the best Star Trek since Wrath of Khan or the introduction of the Borg. Still not going to watch it. That would be like an abused woman going back to her scumbag husband who continuously beat her for 10 years, and then comes home one day and says he'll never hit her again. "No dear,Really, I mean it this time! I promise! I've changed!" Would that erase 10 years of violent Abuse? Hell No!!!! In this case kurtzman, bad reboot, and everyone associated with new dreck is the abuser. And we the audience are the abused spouse. I really think you should watch Doomcock's review of episode 1. Kurtzman's name is still all over this. If it succeeds, the idiots at Paramount will give him the credit and carte blanche to shit on Star Trek for another 10 years. And there are plenty of flaws in the logic of the plot. Like not having a remote override code for the shuttle that Picard and Riker steal. No, I am done with Trek. As long as Alex kurtzman is associated with it, I am not going to come back. And neither are a lot of other folks. All trust has been destroyed. Along with the franchise. Too much damage has been done.

[@bf7775]

Absolutely. This is the first time since I discovered Drinker years back that I strongly disagree with his take here. This season appears to have, at most, the potential to return to the era of the Next Gen feature films which, while entertaining in their own ways, do not represent why I love Star Trek. For me, NuTrek continues to lack the following critical elements that make Star Trek so fascinating to me: (1) Engaging stories that pose moral dilemmas that make me wonder what I would do in those situations. (2) Strong adherence to in-universe logic, systems, and consistency... like the remote override code example you mention. (3) A rigid chain of command structure with, as another commenter so elequantly puts it, "professional under pressure" dialogue. (4) Smart dialogue that does not rely on the casual use of "colorful metaphors" to feign intensity. Also, f-bombs do NOT belong in Star Trek under any circumstance.

[@mdanam]

@@bf7775 I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. Not that I thought that I was!

[@aMarginalMiracle]

I totally agree I am done with drunker, to me he sold his soul to the corporate media.

[@bf7775]

@@aMarginalMiracle I wouldn't go THAT far. Just because we don't all exactly agree on every subject does not mean that we should "be done" with one another. Even though I disagree with Drinker on this specific topic, he has a commanding and insightful view on the state of modern entertainment, and I plan to continue following his videos for years. Go Drinker!

[@mato579]

wtf are you guys complaining all the time, you are no better than the guys who make a "bad show", this is good, period

[@SkyandSun01]

Where can the full podcast be viewed? Can't see it on the channel. Thanks.

[@archstanton9073]

Drinker chops up a stream into these videos and once those are out, he uploads the whole stream.

[@patrickjuma1373]

Should be out tonight or tomorrow evening and then on monday around 10 am Central European time you can get last orders with mauler and drinker answering superchats

[@TBFI_Botswana]

Is it worth watching S3? I’ve only ever watched S1E1 and left it at that.

[@alfman6150]

very well done session with a lot of interesting people and their opinions! ty drinker, have an ale on me!

[@winwhite1915]

Divert all power to the warp core - isn't that where the power comes from?

[@ilxyaeger]

Soo have you guys gotten prerelease footage? Im only on ep one..

[@seanfoltz7645]

Age also brings experience and a greater understanding of consequences, hence the reason why older leaders appear more cautious. This isn't fear or uncertainty, instead, this is due to that experience and understanding of consequences causing them to think things through a bit further than someone who is younger with less experience. Simple example - we play the card game rummy and in order to win, you have to not just look for the obvious moves in your hand, but also plan through future hands - I saw Bob take this card and not play it yet so if I discard this other card, I could give Bob the ability to score points. We've got a younger player in the group who doesn't do that - he plays fast and for the moment, always failing to understand why he keeps feeding the older player cards and points with what he discards, all the while wondering why they never drop the cards he needs. That's age and experience causing us to play slower than youth and inexperience.

[@PumpkinsChokeaHoe]

Alex Kurtzman's name is literally all over the credits. It's still kurtzman trek with member berries sprinkled on top. I refuse to ever reward kurtzman or bad robot.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Totally. It disappoints me to hear these guys shill, and I wondered why but that fact that they keep talking about episodes not our yet gave it away - they got early access and are shilling. OR worse, they lowered their standards either due to the terrible things they had to watch or, way worse, cause they are being paid to shill.

[@BasicShapes]

Just sail the high seas if you're really curious. But believe me...while it may be better than S1 or S2, it still has that Kurtzman/JJ feel, and it's still pretty bad.

[@BasicShapes]

@@bruisedhelmet8819 Yeah this segment really has me wondering if/how much they are shilling. I've watched the first 2 episodes now and I am not seeing how this is all that good. Best I can give it is "okay". It's definitely better than S1 or S2 Picard, but THAT is an extremely low bar. S3 still feels like Nu Trek. The over the top jokes/joviality in tense combat/mission situations, the lack of understanding about Naval vernacular, the cringe dialogue ("What's that thing doing?!" "I don't know, but it looks pissed!"). All of this is really bad and ruins any chance of me buying into this show.

[@darrengaroutte7744]

I've only seen the first episode and while it isn't to me on the level of TNG and DS9 it does give me hope for the season. I gave up after season 2 of Dico and halfway through the first season of Picard. The team on season three just needs to be put in charge of whatever comes next and fire everyone else so their salary can go into that budget.

[@PaleRyder563]

What's with that old crow commanding the enemy ship? I mean couldn't they come up with a better villain?

[@melsvette]

I’m not going back. Orville is the new Trek.

[@melsvette]

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man

[@miked4338]

Shaw stole the show, would have watched a spin off with him.

[@Coloring_Books_Zenthusiast]

Can I watch season 3 without watching the previois seasons and know what is going on?

[@brando3342]

Great! Now we are promoting funding the earlier seasons of complete garbage, so they can make more garbage later 🤦‍♂️

[@archstanton9073]

Sail the high seas, matey!

[@doberski6855]

That is the problem isn't it? Glad that Picard 3 is suppose to be so good, doesn't undo the crap that came before. I think Katzman and his minions will just keep producing garbage and not learn anything from what was done in Picard 3 that made it successful.

[@mbob4337]

@@doberski6855 Than you just like season 3. And keep not watching everything else. You can still send that message here. If S3 all of a sudden has great views and bluray sales. But the rest of the shows keep on failing. It tells them, this worked and your other crap isn't. They change and fix the other shows, or they don't. And just keep in being crap.

[@trollinthedungeon89]

There is true fan service and homages to communicate what they were trying to do in Picard S3. They were doing a Next Gen version of Undiscovered Country and Wrath of Khan. TWOK: Beverly in ep 1 had a field jacket very similar one to what the crew of the Enterprise and later Carol Marcus wore in the film. She also has her argument with Jean Luc similar to Kirk and Carol's conversation in TWOK. Undiscovered Country's homages is story plus the sound of the viewscreen activating and deactivating are from Undiscovered Country which made me ridiculously happy.

[@itmademesignup9508]

7:52 "The Klingons are arming the Village People." I assume the Indian and the police officer?

[@WolfRamAndHart]

I hope Picard S3 joins Andor in high quality reformation of Star Trek and Star Wars, even though they are right now the surprise exception. Andor stuck landing even. I liked episode 1 of Picard, and sounds like they had the confidence to allow skeptics to see more of the season early, to spread word its high quality sci-fi drama.

[@2HatHudders]

Is Andor worth watching? I've been both so burned by star wars (and star trek) it's really turning me off these new shows/seasons.

[@WolfRamAndHart]

@@2HatHudders The best TV show in past year. Don't even need to be a Star Wars fan to appreciate the writing, acting, set design, and drama. Also nominated for Critics Choice best drama. May take up to Ep. 3 to be hooked, but the episode arcs kept improving through Ep. 12.

[@archstanton9073]

@@2HatHudders It really is. No Jedi. The Empire being a ruthless, efficient dictatorship. Great characters and character development. It's definitely a more mature look at the Star Wars universe.

[@meanwhileonhastings...]

I haven't seen Andor yet. I hear its good but I'm still pissed after Obi-Wan and Boba Fett got butchered. And of course, Gina Carano. Is it really that good?

[@Nerdporeal]

I watched Andor. Wasn't impressed or invested for much of it. Spent more time looking at my phone. Forgot it was supposed to be a Star Wars show. Another example of lower standards compared to what came before.

[@Craig-xw9jq]

What a great panel!

[@shlokrathod1157]

do i need to watch the first two seasons if i wanna watch the third one???

[@sleepchasers08]

No.

[@shlokrathod1157]

@@sleepchasers08 that’s great news 👌🏻

[@Phaota]

How did you guys manage to see the whole season?

[@MrMcLovinMcLovin]

Maybe it was released sooner in the UK?

[@NeonofMoravia]

its like with videogames, some pros or streamers or people from the industry got early access.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

*cough Promise to shill and you get early access *cough

[@mattstorm6568]

It's sad how quickly so many of you eagerly run back to a Hollywood you know hates you just cuz they suddenly make something not terrible.

[@Lillywhite]

Fukmi. Have the years of conditioning finally worked on TCD and EFAP crews? A couple of shows come out that aren't unmitigated shite, whilst still being mid AF, or suffocatingly hostile/preachy and that's enough for them now? This is the new standard of "good"? Why TF would the entertainment industry change anything when these cheap, lazy tactics work on even those who are most critical...the drain will continue to be circled.

[@BasicShapes]

Exactly. Characters in this show joke around during "tense" scenes - _every one_ of these guys are shitting on Marvel for doing this, but it gets a fucking pass when Picard S3 does it. It really makes me feel like TCD and crew have sold out here.

[@AlphaBiggotz]

Y'all are pretty much going back to an abusive spouse hoping they've changed at this point. Even if they have and won't hit you again, do they deserve redemption after how they've treated you? I say no.

[@666chapelofblood]

This analogy is dumb as fuck, and the current showrunner isn't even Kurtzman so it doesn't work.

[@joeherbert4360]

Season 3 episode 2 had no story, in 40 minutes nothing happened.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Glad to hear Kurtzman Trek continues it's illustrious reputation of delivered a silver plater smeared with leavings....

[@anthonywoodroof2800]

I never would have watched if not for Dave either. Great show. An island in an ocean of diarrhoea.

[@darreng4248]

same as you Drinker, Robert and Dave's enthusiasm for this new season is what got me to watch it too and the first episode was great!

[@skatedurr]

same, i was gonna skip but i'll give it few episodes, so far so good

[@OZRETH]

Bait and switch watch and see

[@LoreChaplain]

Is it actually good? Or is the bar so far beneath the floor that anything passible is considered "good" or "great"?

[@awlabrador]

What changed behind the scenes to make Picard Season 3 better?

[@ericaugust1501]

it's not better. as of episode 1 it's still garbage. i'm currently thinking these guys have all been paid off by the studio, hence their full review of the entire season, bereft of any meaningful criticism.

[@purefoldnz3070]

there is no way in hell its better. Its exactly the same as previous seasons

[@FQP-7024]

Drinker what happened to you, be more cautious we are still talking about Kurzman and bad robot, Bad is literally in the name don't get dragged Inn to this mess with member berries and the old cast being back, they are nearly all passed their prime

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

Wtf?

[@stopgeorge]

Well, it sounds like they've turned on the lights for the writer's room. Now, please turn on the lights on the bridge.

[@anonimuso]

Sorry to Drinker and Robert, both of whom I respect, but after two episodes, this show is still pretty bad. I honestly don't understand how you can overlook the terrible writing. And they made a point of bringing back Rafi and making her a crucial part of the storyline. But she is just so terrible. The acting, the writing for her, it's just terrible.

[@steve-from-toronto]

Right?! Totally agree.

[@BasicShapes]

This is to Star Trek what Mandalorian was to Star Wars. Not that good, but better than the other shit that came before. A breath of fresh air. You're right, the writing is bad and the dialogue is cringe. I mean they literally joke around during battle, which is something Drinker and crew all rightly criticized Marvel for doing. But when this show does it, they turn a blind eye. It's really strange.

[@jayjeckel]

And now you're deleting comments that disagree with you. Lame.

[@dantebanducci235]

The real question is, can season 3 be watched in isolation? 🤔

[@cheeks7050]

Drinker thinking TLOA was good and now this? Yikes. Stay sharp please Drinker. Don't lower your standards because these guys start mixing some corn into the shit they've been feeding us.