Drinker's Chasers - Mandalorian Season 3: Not A Great Start

Join us as we share our thoughts on the first episode of Star Wars - The Mandalorian Season 3.
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[@name-vi6fs]

I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I think Grogu should've stayed with Luke, and Mando should've gone his own way.

[@chasehedges6775]

Absolutely agree. 👍👍🙏

[@MitchellDouglas4933]

yep

[@anon-yw4wd]

I doubt you're in the minority.

[@Dharzjinion]

This would have been the way.

[@timothy790110]

that wont sell grogu toys! they aren't done milking him yet!

[@sasan95]

The whole point of IG-11's self-destruction failsafe is that the manufacturer added it so people couldn't recover the droid and the proprietary information in it!

[@firstlast9846]

I genuinely hated this moment.. not only because death in Star Wars *Somehow* now means less than it does in comic books.. but I now have to listen to snarky Taika at some point this series… he’s been revived 3 TIMES now - like C’mon

[@Apac12]

No but ok

[@dewolf123]

@@firstlast9846 Wait? So what was the other 2 times of his revival?

[@firstlast9846]

@@dewolf123 nvm - he's been revived twice - point still stands tho.. he's had 2 important deaths and he gets brought back it ruins the series

[@dewolf123]

@@firstlast9846 One of them was Korg correct?

[@Unpainted_Huffhines]

Apollo: "I thought you let Grogu go at the end of the last season" Joel: "I did, I completed my mission, but now he's back...somehow." I could feel the disturbance in the force after that line. Like millions of facepalms, all at once.

[@blackdynamite_5470]

*Abby joined the chat*

[@417fga]

🤣🤣🤣

[@aymerich8074]

Thank you man. You described the situation perfectly. Book of Bobba Fett destroyed Mando Season 3 for me.

[@revgregory]

Grogu needs to do pointless, cutesy crap until the plot needs him to either be the reason they succeed or be the reason the person(s) who save them appear.

[@forplaint_ru]

I also call him Appolo. It's funnier somehow

[@raptorshinryu]

Episode 1 and we're already retconning the death of a character that was clearly blown to smithereens, and introducing a new threat that looks like Atriox covered in kelp. Good shit Lucasfilm.

[@Shockguey]

IG are like the Geth. It's a single entity in many robots.

[@raptorshinryu]

@@Shockguey More of a reason to just find a new IG unit than coming up with a convulted reason to bring back one that detonated a thermal det in his chest

[@Shockguey]

@@raptorshinryu It's even more convoluted to be able to find a single IG in the entire galaxy in under an episode. Unless you want to play Carmen Sandiego for an entire season. Only one IG is operating at a time. It's basically playing IRL groundhog day.

[@london19657]

Somehow, Palpatine returns.

[@daddyyu-gi-oh4330]

“Atriox covered in kelp” is such an apt description 😂

[@atrholiday2889]

I always said Luke showing Grogu a lightsaber and telling him to choose his life path is like a divorced policeman showing his 3-year-old son a gun and saying “choose whether you want to be a cop or go live with your mom”

[@daishikaze3986]

it was a Lone Wolf and Cub reference, Ogami Itto offers his son the choice, touch the sword and walk the path of revenge with his father, or touch the toy and join his mother in death (she has been killed by assassics).

[@mysterymastermind175]

@@daishikaze3986 Wait so the little boy would be killed or allowed to live his life?

[@richardblack3385]

It's like classic kurosawa u pleb. If you choose the ball u go with your mother and live in peace if u choose the sword u come with me and learn battle or whatever he said lol

[@mysterymastermind175]

@@richardblack3385 Yeah but Jedi are not samurai. A defeated Jedi does not commit sepuku, nor does he kill to prove his honor ("Wars not make one great" from ep 5)

[@kylanmcnichols6525]

Based

[@thomaspeterson8357]

I thought that the point of ig 11's self destruct was so enemies couldn't rebuild him and copy or study his design

[@InfernosReaper]

Moreover, if he's build on proprietary tech, how did Mando and the rest even figure out how to put him together in the first place and why not just *skip* to the droidsmiths? It just feels like padding in what is *already* a sidequest

[@undead9999]

I love how they brushed the whole Cara Dune situation "oh she just went on to the special forces".... She left them in the first place because she was weary of war.....

[@InfernosReaper]

Yeah, and had a *job* as a marshal. There's no reason why she couldn't just be reassigned far away or something, especially after the Mayfield incident.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

How dare Gina Carano speak her mind & try to convince people that history just might be repeating itself!!

[@taboowriter9229]

@@TraditionalAnglican no one gives a f about opinions of actors until it agrees with my opinions!

[@elliotjames1273]

@@TraditionalAnglicanGina Carano is a piece of shit, and a moron. Her looks are GONE and it was time for her to go because she is NOT hot anymore.

[@kevindavis5966]

I think they ARE leaving the door open for her to return should she choose to atone. By bathing in the waters of the mines of Mandalore. Or in some Disney producer's bed. Or whatever.

[@tibedog5629]

I laughed so hard when the giant alligator turtle came up on shore an started to wreck them That set up in the cave obviously had been there for a while an not a single thought or idea was put into "Huh, there's giant man eating alligator turtles in this water we shouldn't have our cave right on the beach"

[@CharlesAlexander0]

And these mandalorians couldn't take it down, just kept shooting at it's shell

[@sirraf23]

How do you know they knew about it? Do you just walk up to a lake in a country you've never been to and automatically know everything that's living in it? It's fine you want to try and simp for the drinker and pathetically try to shit on a decently made Star Wars show but your criticisms are just about as weak as the drinkers are.

[@Gazmus]

@newtonvoig They just needed another couple of Mandalorians to tether themselves do it, 6 of them would easily have overpowered it.

[@AintGotAnyName]

Yeah, the killer croc absolutely owned these galaxy's best warriors lol and laser guns were as useless as they always are. Comedy gold for sure

[@NOG9003]

Apparently alligator flesh is durable enough to get shot by blasters 100s of times but a metal grappling hook fired at less velocity then a bullet can easily pierce and anchor to it.

[@NoTimeAllTime]

Prior to Book of Booba Fett my hope was that we were going to get a season mostly of Mando off bounty hunting before getting pulled into the effort to retake mandolore. We would get a few check ins now again with Baby Yeed at Jedi summer camp with hints that he might have unfinished business / attachments and he MIGHT come back but partway through season 4.

[@styleisaweapon]

they could have made this sort of continuation adjacent to luke/grogu somehow - or how about simple motivations like mando has this darksaber but it just isnt cooperating so he has to go see luke and learn about the force so that he can save the day with it in the final episode of the season

[@michealfritz9727]

😂😂😂Booba Fett!!😂😂😂The only person to survive the Sarlacc and come out fatter than when he went in.

[@elliotjames1273]

@@styleisaweapon look bud, lightsabers are not stupid Harry Potter priss-ass fairy wands with minds of their own. They are simply tools. They don’t cooperate anymore than your damn hammer or metal sword. It’s the skill of the user that matters. Jedi have the force. Mandalorian have training. Get…a…friggggen…clue.

[@ZillaTheTegu]

This^^ Baby Yoda is the worst aspect of the show, and its made worse by him being in it.

[@mrkennady]

@@styleisaweapon too bad they ruined Luke in book of boba. Its like disney doesnt understand why the jedi fell and Luke's way was supposed to be the better way.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Din Djarin: "You looked different Cara Dune. Did you cut your hair?" New actress who looks totally nothing like Gina Carano: "Yes."

[@RoboticPope]

Different Cara Dune: And I now use they/them pronouns.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

“I got hooked on green milk, don’t judge me”

[@sweetchristmas101]

@@RoboticPope Dodgy clone. Her name's actually Caara Dune.

[@mariobadia4553]

She's like that completely moronic clone from Legends caara duune

[@Jadty]

Imagine how based it would be if Gina actually showed up in one of the episodes.

[@christophergillette7167]

I was able to mostly roll with this episode by switching my brain off, but it required a genuine effort to NOT think about Andor. Because the writing and believable characters in Andor set a standard that I WISH could become common, but certainly won’t.

[@JmannTW]

It is suffering to watch Mando after Andor...

[@ggt47]

The downgrade in quality of writing specifically in this case is staggering.

[@racyagentmac]

Andor is great and all but we need good Action oriented shows too hopefully Ahsoka is one 👍

[@christophergillette7167]

@@racyagentmac YES. Please please please let them give Thrawn the epic treatment he deserves

[@marwana4834]

@@christophergillette7167 There's no way they'll get a complex character like Thrawn right. The storytelling skills of these writers are too basic and simplistic.

[@alexl3500]

9 seconds into this and totally agree. It's plotting from the very beginning has been a video game style plot with a million samey side quests that you have to go through to get to anything vaguely interesting. Like everyone remembers that entertaining luke skywalker scene in the series 2 Finale but remember just how many side quest episodes it took to get there

[@papalaz4444244]

It's now clear why Grogu's decision to stay with Din was moved to TBoBF, because there was no space for anything in this episode. If Din doesn't prove he was in the mines by coming back on a mythosaur, who's head they keep showing us every ep, then I would be astonished. We already know Grogu can tame huge creatures.

[@TheGreatestOne15]

only problem being that mythosaurs have been extinct for 5-8k years and were native to the jungle moon dxun not mandalore

[@papalaz4444244]

@@TheGreatestOne15 That's why they are now a legend. This won't be true of course. In Chapter 1, Kuiil even says Din can ride a Blurg because his ancestors rode Mythosaurs. It's been set up since the first ep. Boba Fett and Din ride a Rancor. Grogu tames the Rancor. It's all there in plain sight.

[@oldAzekai]

Because if you know how to ride one alien monster you know how to ride them all, the skill is both universal *and* heritable. How stupid.

[@papalaz4444244]

@@oldAzekai Exactly like your Mommy

[@jaegergames7042]

​@@oldAzekai Bruh forgetting Ezra became Dr. Forcelittle 2: Electric Kyberloo

[@DisapprovingPigeon]

The entire series of The Mandalorian is like watching a let's play with no commentary.

[@AtomicPatriot]

I love how they undid everything season 1 and 2 built.

[@thelastmotel]

That's what we call "the usual".

[@cswanson]

To be a little fair to the show, I assumed that the reason that Mando needed a droid was to visit the surface of Mandalore since it was “poisoned.” The only droid he trusted was IG-11 after the events of season 1. That being said, most of the rest of the criticisms are very valid

[@brentbartley6838]

And judging by the season trailers, Mando ends up with an R4 astromech so I assume that'll be IG-11's logic circuits put into an astro droid.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Just reprogram any random droid, that's why this one was helping you in the first place!

[@brentbartley6838]

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Judging by the way the Mandos fought the giant alligator (about as inneffectively as possible), Mandos aren't that smart...

[@chineserocks77]

@@brentbartley6838 my thoughts exactly

[@Klaaism]

Underground mines are notorious for pockets of lethal gas, let alone flammable. Im sure a ravaged surface would be just as dangerous for a biological.

[@steelshanks1265]

These Mandalorian's are a disgrace to their ancestors... These are the guys who went toe-to-toe with the Jedi and the Sith, and a feckin' Crocodile gets the best of them... What in all hells has happened to Star Wars, even Favreau is floundering now? This truly is the Dark Times...

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

Yeah because they just startet. That was Dead Watch and every warrior is dead except Armorer, Wizlar and Dinn. Bo Katans Mandalorien are fully trained as we saw in season 2. Are you blind or what. Yeah you can dont like something. But you didnt pay attention.

[@steelshanks1265]

@@michaeld.uchiha9084 No... You didn't pay attention. They aren't Death Watch, they are the Children of the Watch, another Sect of Mandalorian's that adhere to the Ancient traditions of Mandalore. Maybe do some research before ye shoot yer mouth off Boyo...

[@KitePerson]

What I don't understand is why does Mando need to rejoin his clan and not like- idk- live with his adopted Jedi child and go on adventures with him. Like are there perks to joining the Mando culture besides cool armor and a blaster? Do you get like 50% off of AMC tickets or a senior citizen discount when you get older?

[@tallerwarrior1256]

He has the darksaber and the Mandalorians are still his family. So he holds a lot of weight on his shoulder rn. His main objective beyond just redeeming himself is to unite all of the Mandalorians scattered across the stars and rebuild Mandalore, whether it be on the actual planet or somewhere else. He can’t do that if a large faction of the Mandalorians don’t even recognize him as one of them.

[@KitePerson]

@@tallerwarrior1256 Oh I see. That was in Book of Boba right? I could be mistaken.

[@tallerwarrior1256]

@@KitePerson Yeah, the armorer explained the dark sabers purpose to Mando in BOBF and the main trailer also tell the audience what Mando’s ultimate goal is.

[@marwana4834]

@@tallerwarrior1256 Din Djrain has never cared about reuniting all Mandalorians and has no emotional connections with any other Mando in this clan. There are absolutely no stakes to his mission of rejoining his clan. Whether he joins or not isn't going to make a big difference

[@tallerwarrior1256]

@@marwana4834 I feel like he’s grown responsible for his people and again all evidence points to him using the darksaber to unite the remaining Mandalorians scattered throughout the galaxy.

[@dmac3183]

Disparus frustration is highly entertaining, arms flailing and voice getting higher all I am waiting for now is a growl and fists bashing the table. These 4 are really good together, times passes so quickly while listening.

[@SqueakingLion]

The Little Platoon kind of hit it on the head as to why The Mandalorian is as popular as it is... it's the old Clint Eastwood cowboy Man with No Name movies, but in space and in episodic form. And personally, I've always liked that kind of movie and, to a lesser extent, television series (TV series on similar rails tend to start getting typical and same-old, same-old, or worse they go off on weird or "Modern" tangents). I was able to watch The Mandalorian Season 1... haven't seen Season 2 and won't be able to see the third, so I can't comment on those. But I enjoyed Season 1 for what it was: a Man with No Name series who had a mission to keep a special kid safe despite his normal tendencies, trying to stay one step ahead of a vastly superior force using his wits and skills... and in this case, his invincible armor. I'm a little sad to hear that Disney is, unsurprisingly, ruining it.

[@doublep1980]

Seasons 1 & 2 were basically ''Lone Wolf & Cub'' ( AKA Shogun Assassin) in the SW Universe, even Favreau said this in an interview and it follows the tradition of SW being influenced by Japanese Samurai movies. ( the plot from ''The New Hope'' is heavily influenced by the movie ''The Hidden Fortress" of Kurosawa.) They just changed the Samurai with a Mando gunslinger.

[@jaded5957]

I love the dynamic of you 4 guys. There's no awkward silences with conversation overlaps. The chat just flows effortlessly and I enjoy the banter.

[@lukesmith9144]

Mace Windu at 50 took on Palpatine and won. Yoda at 900 took on Palpatine and lost. Grogu at 50 can't even walk, the Yoda species sucks

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

Palpatine tricked Anakin he was only playing that he will loose to Windu. You didnt understand it my friend. Even in legends Palpatine is the strongest Sith ever.

[@stephen8805]

@@michaeld.uchiha9084 Pretty sure George has confirmed Mace won fair and square.

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

@@stephen8805 Lucas has a history of changing his mind regarding continuity, even within the original six saga films. When we go with Legend and "Canon" and how it all ended. We can sai Palps planned it all perfectly.

[@bobjohnson1633]

It makes sense that windu won. It does not make sense about all this stupid wizard space magic bullshit and cloning bodies to implant your soul in. Complete horse shit. Did you see Like beat Vader? Those were peak bad-asses. All the expanded crap and sequel crap is not canon.

[@scorpixel1866]

@@michaeld.uchiha9084 It's far better narratively to say Windu indeed was strong enough to beat Palpy (or at least countered him with his unique talent, part of the reason he never liked Anakin), than have Dark Empire tier "NUH-HUH he's the strongest and smartertest evah!"

[@roadwarrior1459]

I love how IG self destructed yet the most important parts of him were all that was left.

[@noticeddamian]

I did enjoy the mandalorian season 1 and 2 but then Andor happened and I realised how great Star Wars should be.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

If you think that's what "great" Star Wars is you should really dive into the EU. It's a treasure trove.

[@Intreductor]

@@SkintSNIPER262 depends which part of the EU. Truth be told, majority of EU books and stories were subpar aside from a very few jewels.

[@SkintSNIPER262]

@@Intreductor Not true. There's a lot of good material. Every time I see someone that tries to bring up horrible EU material, it's always the same few examples. With the addition of material that's not suppose to be apart of the timeline. Such as Star Wars Infinities.

[@feco91]

@@SkintSNIPER262 Which are the worst that should be avoided, aside from SW Infinities that you mentioned?

[@loyalcompanion2104]

@@feco91 The Revan novel. A rather disappointing follow up to KOTOR 1 and 2

[@cmd31220]

The thing I just hated was that all of the interesting plot threads fro Season 2 were all just cut off for no reason in Ep. 3.01. Bo-Katan is gonna lead her group and retake Mandalore......or not. Baby Yoda is going off to train with Luke....or not. Mando was excommunicated from his group.....or not.....actually yeah he was. IG-11 died saving the group.....or not. We're right back to square one and the show is a lot worse off for it.

[@lonewolf9578]

It’s a slow start but I’m willing to see where it goes, even if Grogu being brought back hasn’t actually added anything to the story yet. Also it sucks there’s no Cara Dune, thanks again for that Twitter Also the space swamp thing knock off is uncanny

[@chasehedges6775]

Same here. I’ll give it a watch but it hurts that Gina is gone and that Grogu is back

[@lonewolf9578]

@@chasehedges6775 Part of me is hoping she’ll come back some day, but because Twitter had to be Twitter I doubt it unless Lucasfilms is doing a hush hush rehire of her

[@KitePerson]

Bruh I was thinking about Swamp Thing as well lmao!

[@Shockguey]

Unless he talks next episode they're going to drag this out just to sell merch to Facebook Mom's.

[@raptorshinryu]

@@lonewolf9578 they mentioned that Cara was "recruited by special forces", and there are rumors that Rangers of the New Republic is being ressurected, so maybe there's hope.

[@firstlast9846]

*This season - should’ve had 2 plot lines and have been about religion* as Mando goes off and learns his religious zealots.. Grogu learning the ways of the Jedi…. As they both spend time away from each other - they realise what they’ve devoted themselves too (The Jedi and Mandolorians) ask them to cut off their loved ones and emotions.. and they ultimately join back together in the end.. as they decide to live their own life’s instead of following something they were assigned at birth and never had a choice in.

[@alexmelling5261]

Wow, that almost sounds like a cohesive narrative.

[@catspoons]

I was watching the episode with my family and when the credits rolled all of us collectively said "that's it?"

[@FilmRebels]

The logical thing to do would have been to have season 3 focus on Mando and Grogu's stories simultaneously while they both go about different lives. Basically do what you did in Book of Boba Fett and spend half the episode following Mando on his quest to Mandalore and then the other half following Luke and Grogu around as they go through Jedi training. You accomplish all the things you need to from a marketing standpoint with Grogu and a natural story and character progression with everything else. Plus who doesn't want to see Luke as a more regular character in the show? This reeks of corporate Disney coming down and demanding Favreau and Filoni put Grogu back with Mando to sell merch. I thoroughly enjoyed the first two seasons and thought the writing was mostly great but this first episode of season 3 was concerning to say the least.

[@candidob8683]

Sadly, Kennedy made her impact behind Favreau's back. Grogu was in fact supposed to stay with Luke to train. But Kennedy was the one who had Grogu go back to Mando. So we are still feeling her influence in Jon and Dave's projects. Doom Cock covers this in detail - kzbin.info/www/bejne/haTMlqtrnN9rfKs&ab_channel=OverlordDVD Not a great start to season 3, but we shall see how this turns out...

[@enishi4ty5]

2:03 S1 the video game plot revolved around grogu. he was the “thing” to get, deliver, steal, protect etc, so while the setup might be lazy it worked there because they made us care about grogu and watch mando go from seeing him as a thing to a person

[@troyfoster6004]

There are reports that Episode 5 of The Book of Boba Fett was the original script meant for the first episode of Mandalorian Season 3, but because of shortcomings with The Book of Boba Fett scripts, they pigeonholed this Mandalorian episode into TBOBF. That's why this first episode was underwhelming, and why there was nearly an identical scene of Din Djarin having the same conversation with the armorer as he did in TBOBF Episode 5. Go back and think about that episode. It would have made a great Mandalorian Season 3 debut. Instead we got this.

[@SoullessDrone_22]

I was surprised but also not surprised that they brought Grogu back. That was a mistake imo. This season could and should have skipped Grogu all together. Maybe he comes back in a later season as a much more developed padawan.

[@bobjohnson1633]

Merchandising. I can't wait for Spaceballs 2: the search for more money.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@bobjohnson1633 honestly, the merchandising has run its course with Grogu. Even if it hadn't, it's not like he would need to constantly be around for it to sell. Bringing back Grogu is just a sign that certain people with too much people are out of touch with what works.

[@scionofdorn9101]

That’s what I thought they were gonna do when he left with Luke. I thought he’d get some training and show up later in the series when the Mando most needed him, but NOOOOOO, THAT would be something FAR too close to plot continuity and character development for Di$ney.

[@iost5459]

@@bobjohnson1633 I read that as moichandising

[@firstlast9846]

*This show genuinely confuses me* Andor spent 3 episodes building up to a grand spectacle of “The Eye” and stealing a piece of cargo (that had relevance to the plot) while flying through thousands of asteroids - while being followed by TIE fighters.. *That must’ve been EXTREMELY costly in CGI* Yet Mando just opens with all these expensive, CGI battles and scenes that add nothing to the plot.. they’re just throwing money away - when it could be used in service of story.

[@TheWarmachine375]

This is where the fun begins.

[@remuslazar2033]

It's Mando-ing time

[@taboowriter9229]

Its Grogubin time

[@morden279]

Disney blew two opportunities to create an episodic space bounty hunter show (with literal bounty hunters baked-in), which could show the full length and breadth of the Star Wars galaxy. Instead we got babysitters and deserts.

[@Kirdo-6241]

Almost like Star Wars is for 12 year olds or something….

[@gabbodelaparrawrites]

I was with other people and we all thought it was a flashback to Mando's getting his first helmet...

[@me_sad]

People who didn't watch BOBF watching Mandolorian Season 3 Ep 1: Grogu has somehow returned

[@davidross5640]

making a monument to a droid is like making a monument to a printer or toaster... do you commemorate every machine that breaks down?

[@Hello-bi1pm]

People will call you droidist for this

[@davidross5640]

@@Hello-bi1pm and the same people marry their cats... im not worried...

[@davidross5640]

@@Hello-bi1pm I would cry if R2D2 died, because that runtime memory should be cloned into a million other astrodroids, high performance problem solver. it would be a real waste to lose such a valuable machine. but in the end it is just a tool.

[@ChateauScholt]

Somehow funny how Bo-Katan accused Mando to be a zealot for not taking off his helmet but her people left her because she did not get some old weapon by winning it in combat.

[@jasonpratt5126]

I'm sure among the ways they could have killed off Cara insultingly were: "She contracted a disease we could have cured in forty-five minutes but never sought help until she collapsed thirty minutes from death. Sure, we could have cryogenically frozen her for an hour or two while we got the cure ready, but we chose not to so we could blame her posthumously."

[@joe_not_a_fed]

Season 1 was worth watching because it was simple and different...and fun. In season 2, the series started taking itself much more seriously while simultaneously exhibiting ever weakening writing skills. Sure, baby Yoda is cute but cute gets old. It can't carry an entire season.

[@jonathanwells223]

Not really cute, he looks like a creepy little gremlin goblin

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Season 1 was badly written as well.

[@ZillaTheTegu]

Cute gets old really fast. Baby Yoda is the worst part about the whole series.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Eh, both seasons 1 and 2 were far better than anything else Disney did to that point. Season 2 had low points but the krayt dragon, Bill Burr, and Luke episodes were phenomenal. Maybe not Coen brothers level writing no, but it did what it was meant to do Odds say it is the execs meddling that is holding the show down

[@loyalcompanion2104]

Season 1 was a flawed but solid start for a show that had huge potential. Season 2 was so overdosed with member berries that it lost it's identity for me. Was seeing Boba Fett beat up worthless stormtroopers and Luke Skywalker wrecking droids really enough for people to go "10/10 best Star Wars ever"

[@dhanu_4539]

how is the smith cutting Beskar steel with a blow torch? either they have some kind of explanation that I'm not aware of or that's just how little they care about the world building.

[@johnhopkins9885]

The Dark Harvest plug! I got it on Audible and listened to it at work. It's seriously a great book. I can't reccomend it enough.

[@hellomynameisbob922]

"it's like a video game" Oh man, that's so true! Never thought about it that way! Hahaha well put

[@Kennethrosewater]

I enjoyed S3 Ep1. The town where the high magistrate was felt like an online MMORPG main city though admittedly

[@bobjohnson1633]

Omg, I also like horrible writing where stupid shit happens for no reason and nobody's actions make any sense in-universe.

[@ezravanmelle4333]

I honestly expected them to try and discredit Cara Dune by saying that she turned out to be an Imperial spy all along or something like that. I'm sure it was an option that was discussed.

[@darthlaurel]

The video game element is so obvious that even I can see it and I've only ever played Angry Birds.

[@stephencodekas3745]

I didn't know star wars was able to do a crossover with dc and bring in swamp thing. Pretty cool

[@SirDenzington89]

This could be a dumb question but why does Din Djarin have to go all the way to mysterious underground mines on a hostile planet when they’re literally baptizing a new member of the clan in the lake the monster comes out of 10 seconds earlier. Why is that water good enough for the kid but Mando has to find other water? Thiey did something I hate too. Resetting everything to do it all over again. I breathed a sigh of relief 3 times when they explicitly said IG11 can’t be brought back but we’re still gonna try cause taika waiti voices him. Not a great episode. I was kinda surprised

[@roelofm2904]

The Little Platoon's moving character creeps me out so much whahahah

[@EvilDoresh]

I guess that's why VTubers stick to cute anime waifus.

[@daverussell3552]

Just finished Dark Harvest this week. Great job!

[@drronin112]

I might have had some respect for the start if they had the new Mandalorian kid have to fight the giant crocodile on his own (Or maybe with a sponsor) as his first act as a helmeted Mandalorian to prove his worth. Maybe a smaller one, but still big ol reptile where you have to defeat to prove your worth or die within the first minutes of your oath.

[@gilgamecha]

That's what I thought was going to happen - why else hold the ceremony in its habitat? But no. It was just fucking stupid and utterly pointless.

[@Cortanis001]

I'm going to call it now. This entire season is going to effectively be a vehicle for Disney trying to push toys. The rather overt focusing on the kid is bad enough but they went out of their way to insert Babu's species into this despite they've only ever appeared in TROS before this and also put them into a setting that just doesn't make sense. They could have inserted almost any species and/or characters for the role, but they specifically chose to insert those things and one can be fairly sure that it's in an effort to push TROS toys just repackaged that didn't and probably won't sell. The entire first episode for this just doesn't come off as a hook so much as just a bunch of excuses for inserting things that didn't need/shouldn't have been in there.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

It doesn’t make sense to have droid mechanics in a town?

[@Klaaism]

Merchandising! Where the real money is made! Keep in mind it's the money that will help keep Star Wars alive. If the franchise is financially viable, then Disney will keep at it... not to mention ditching any roadblocks to getting said money... coughKKcough. Every single SW series she touches has died horribly. Overall I'm not complaining, it was a cute scene.

[@elliotjames1273]

To be fair the delivery of “bad BABY” was seriously great. I’ve never seen rise of Skywalker and I never will, gave it five minutes (and I’m a SW nut).

[@Cortanis001]

@@oXRaptorzXo droid mechanics, yes. What they did however, no. When your clients are round about average size for the universe, having an outlet 3x too small for any of them doesn't make sense. To point, that wasn't even done in TROS. What's more, literally any species could be a droid smith. That's just a trade and is a matter of education after all. The way this was done was to specifically insert them and their failed merchandise into a relatively successful brand.

[@Kaiser_1]

​@@Klaaism bullshit, they would have made alot more money if they made an actual good show.

[@HolographicThoughts]

"Concept art" is kind of generous. At least some of that is filtered/photobashed stills made to look like it was concept, but even so it's often the most visually interesting stuff on offer.

[@williamjameshoffer4405]

And, you didn't even get to the Dark Saber nonsense. BTW, one of the few things that made sense was Djarin only trusting that IG-11 because of his general hatred and fear of droids. However, they blew it by having the memory chip damaged and needing to be replaced. Thus, that IG-11 is gone forever even if he does get the memory chip for it...unless they can download his memories from the Cloud.

[@ToniT-to9rr]

Am I the only one who thinks Grogu should have stayed gone, and S3 should have been about Mando missing him, learning a broadened view of Mandolorian culture through Bo Katan, and figuring out what wielding the Dark Saber means for him, ultimately leading to him and Katan fighting for it? And then maybe somehow he gets Grogu back (or at least sees him again) at the end of the season and that's the final season of the series? I don't know, that kind of arc always made more sense to me.

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Learning anything from Bo-Katan would be a mistake

[@DrLipkin]

I figure eventually Grogu will claim ownership of the Darksaber.

[@ArgentWolf95]

Thanks to The Mandalorian, they made the Fetts not Canon Mandos), the entire awesome Mando lore is de-canonized and Mando culture and lore is extremely shallow compared to the old republic Mandos. They don't even use the Mando Language that has an entire fan clan who can speak it. Vode An is not even referenced once. ""Here's why you can't exterminate us, aruetii. We're not huddled in one place-we span the galaxy. We need no lords or leaders-so you can't destroy our command. We can live without technology-so we can fight with our bare hands. We have no species or bloodline-so we can rebuild our ranks with others who want to join us. We're more than just a people or an army, aruetii. We're a culture. We're an idea. And you can't kill ideas-but we certainly can kill you." - Mandalore the Destroyer. Mandalorians are Meritocrats to a fault, they don't care about your race, gender, sex, none of that BS, they expect you to be the best warrior you can be, and be loyal to your clan. Beyond that each clan has it's own culture, values and symbols. The Fetts were some of the toughest around just before Clone Wars which is why Dooku had the Clones be based on Jango, and he trained some of them himself. Now it's "This is the Way." Since The Mandalorian became the Mandalorian thing, all this cool old stuff is forgotten about, and it's a shame. This is a lot of good background that Disney could have used. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6jSooKnYtNpebM

[@charlessalvia7176]

Plus, Basilisk War Droids. We'll never see a Disney Basilisk War Droid. But to be fair, the erasure of the old Mandalorian lore started way before Disney. It began back when the "New Mandalorians" were introduced in the Clone Wars show.

[@ArgentWolf95]

@@charlessalvia7176 Yeah! all we get is a cult of Mandos who don't even resemble any of the cultures. I don't remember any of the BS about the helmet rules, and the new episode made these Mandos look like idiots. Jango would sort out that croc by himself. Edit: I didn't like the erasure back then. I blame Filoni for it, and to a lesser extent, George Lucas,and don't get me wrong, I really respect George but sometimes disagree with him, mostly on some Expanded Universe opinions. I got a like-dislike thing with Filoni though. I like some things he does, but I dislike how he tramples on good lore just to kiddify something or protect Ahsoka, yet he's treated as some golden saviour of Star Wars. He's just better than the others, but not by a high bar. The Clone Wars was good and even great in some plotlines especially, but eh... I gotta say my opinion is very different on Rebels, but it's a kids show. I just don't like how Thrawn gets misused.

[@Ionenkanone1]

What they did to the Mandalorians and thier cultur is the best example for how much better the old EU was.

[@bpresgrove]

Lol spot on! I've been enjoying Bad Batch a hell of a lot more that anything they have right now. Much better story. And Andor was really good. That's about all Disney has.

[@dezhar]

The Baby Yoda choice is a copy off the Lone Wolf and Cub story where Daigorō has to choose the ball or sword. They pretty much cloned the Japanes story, just no rapey scenes!

[@EvilDoresh]

Also a lot less grimdark, since the choice in Lone Wolf and Cub amounts to "Do you want to help me avenge your mother, or should I put you out of your misery?"

[@gilgamecha]

It's an utter disgrace compared to Lone Wolf and Cub. I really wish they had never bothered. If they just copied the format of Lone Wolf and Cub I would be happy. But they have just stolen the one core idea and then butchered it

[@Hello-bi1pm]

@@gilgamecha Star Wars butchering Samurai movies is nothing new

[@scootersays7216]

I’ve read and enjoyed a couple of the Drake series. Excited for Dark Harvest.

[@Throgmoyd]

Me too. Late to the party but raced through the first two and am currently mid-way through 'Betrayal'. I am very exacting in my appraisal of writers and so was HUGELY impressed at the accomplished prose. Just have to stress this is NOT dumping undeserved sycophantic praise on a KZbinr that I "don't know from 'Adam' but desperately yearn to be my friend in real life." Bollocks to that. The books are BLOODY GREAT. Go and read them.

[@scootersays7216]

@@Throgmoyd - Concur, I doubt the drinker invests too much time in his comments section, but I'm always stoked to find a good writer and work to promote them whenever I can. What drew me to the novels was our exact same taste in movies. I've never seen anyone recommend "Where Eagles Dare Before" and it's always been one of my favorite movies. It got me reading all the old Allistair MacClean stuff too.

[@loopy7232]

I've seen Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back so many times I know them completely, and I still would pop them in the metaphoric VCR and watch them again. The first season of Mando gave me a lot of nostalgia and it was an interesting watch with the various creatures I remember from my youth, but it wasn't good comparatively.

[@dustinvanthuyl8318]

My theory this episode was scrapped together last minute to compensate for them having to use Mando episodes to course correct Book of Boba Fett.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

The Mandalorians from KOTOR 1 & 2 would annihilate the Mandalorians in this show without hesitation.

[@lonewolf9578]

No shit, KOTOR had Mandalorians in their prime

[@anon-yw4wd]

Brah, holy shit, this right here. 1000%!

[@anon-yw4wd]

Canderous Ordo would eat Boba Fett for breakfast and crap him out on the floor.

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

Yeah because that was Death Watch and all warriors except Armorer, Wizlar and Dinn are dead.

[@loyalcompanion2104]

Canderous Ordo alone could do it

[@splendidmate]

Strangely, the part of the episode that did my head in was the awkward bit of dialogue where Carl Weathers said "come, let us catch up on old times." How does one catch up on old times? The old times already happened and you spoke about them afterwards... there's nothing to catch up on. Furthermore, what old times are they going to "catch up" on? All the times he tried to betray him, kill him and/or kidnap his adopted kid?

[@Throgmoyd]

The script was TERRIBLE in this episode. The dialogue was so amateur.

[@kaizer4506]

It’s always been like a video game. I pointed this out in season one because Mando would go complete a task, and then get a piece of armor as a reward. Before long, he unlocked the jet pack, but needed to train in order to flight time and stability. I think it would have been better as just a video game

[@iamgates7679]

The LIttle Platoons avatar being dynamic when he speaks is kinda dope - didn’t notice it at first thought it was on loop

[@dougdewar7896]

So how does Mando get IG-11 off Navaro. He has a two seater Space Miata.............

[@Imylover]

What I also don't understand is; where the F did all the Nightwatch Mandos come from!? Didn't they all perish in season 1 off camera? If they didn't they still left their armor behind, including helmets. I say they have ALL broken the code to not show the face then! And should not be welcomed back anyway. Regardless if you watch just Mando or include Book of Boba Fett it was just Visla & the Armorer & Din left, until they kicked Din out. Now we have a whole platoon of Mandos in this Nightwatch cult again, with a foundling, too. WTF? Maybe that is why they all suck at fighting, they must've picked up random people as they went & asked them if they wanna wear a cool helmet for the rest of your days that you never ever take off. The Mandalorians are supposed to give Jedi a hard time in a fight. I think we all can now agree that they are not exactly impressive in the Nightwatch. Maybe that is why they refuse to remove the helmets, they are too embarrassed to show who they are because all other Mandos would laugh at their incompetence as fighters. Why is the show even hinting at all this even if that is not at all the intent? Jon & Dave can work miracles when they truly put effort to it, but both have a lot of crap in their baggage as well & this whole first episode was filled to the brink with it. If we are supposed to be in awe of all Mandalorians don't make them into incompetent morons at what they are meant to do best, while we common folk watching our screens can better tell what to do in their place. If they keep this up this show is gonna die & be forgotten like the rest of Disney SW.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

What was the giant crocodiles hide made of, cortosis? There's no way in the world that blasters shouldn't have had any effect on it. In fact with how useful blasters are in nu canon they might as well be using projectile firearms for all the good their guns do. In EU the whole reason only primitive people's used slugthrowers was because they hadn't reached the level of technology that the rest of the galaxy had which made a huge difference because plastoid( storm and clonetrooper armor) could effectively stop most man portable rounds, only very fast and dense rounds could penetrate what was fairly basic armor, not to mention the heavier armor that could be made, whereas blasters could effectively and reliably deliver enough trauma to, at a minimum, render a basically armored trooper combat ineffective.

[@gahvno]

The gater fight scene was clearly choreographed by the same yahoos who did Guyladriel's.

[@InfinitePublics]

Seems like Mandalorian suffered for helping out Boba Fett show. Those 2 episodes plucked from Mandalorian into BOBF would’ve been a far better S3E1 than what is titled S3E1.

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Book of boba Fett should've just been a 2hr Disney plus special then take that last half and make it part of S3.

[@billbaggins7355]

Season 1 of Mandalorian was as close to perfect Star Wars since the original trilogy. It was just Lone Wolf and Cub only Star Wars. The subsequent seasons were only there to give cameo vehicles for other characters to get spinoffs. I think at this point they aren't going in the greatest direction for the health of the show but at least it showed us that they have the potential to make good stuff.

[@chasehedges6775]

Season 1 was really good. Everything afterwards is meh

[@Ruylopez778]

You have to introduce Mandalorians in a show about Mandalorians if you're going to expand it to Mandalore. If you don't put Bo-Katan in a show about Mandalore, why even bother? If you have a force sensitive child, why would you not take the opportunity to introduce Jedi that are around at the time? S2 showed us Din risk being exiled from his covert for the sake of something greater than himself. While Bo-Katan mocked him for his extremist views, she was too proud to take the dark saber. It's all about 'the way of the warrior'.

[@billbaggins7355]

@@Ruylopez778 I am kind of intrigued to see how they handle the Bo-Katan situation. I would of thought she wanted to unite the Mandalorians bad enough she would just challenge Din. I think though based on her attitude in S3 E1 I think she's showing that she hates tradition on both sides. She hates the cult-like mentality of the extremists and she hates the single minded devotion to a stupid sword the other has. I hope the showrunners don't water that aspect down though. It was such a big deal after S2 that I would hate to see them just gloss over this story point just to make the season happen.

[@Ruylopez778]

@@billbaggins7355 Katee Sackhoff has a pretty good handle on her character and she's obviously discussed it with Jon and Dave. She's definitely feeling self pity in that episode, but that doesn't mean it has to change her worldview. But Katee said that Bo-Katan sees how Din is changed by Grogu into being more vulnerable and allowing people into his life.

[@Arko777777]

It's even funnier when you realize that Hammer Leader Lady tried to HIT A GIANT CROCODILE with her hammer before being knocked back after saving the dude in water.

[@chrisdavey5530]

lol i laughed so hard at the ig statue....my literal exact phrase "really there was less of robo cop and they remade him, in detroit no less and this place for sure has its shit more together than detroit"

[@jutube90]

I really enjoyed the episode and I am very curious what they will do with the dark saber, Grogu and Mando, there are so many possibilities and remember, they took a whole episode and put it in the book of Boba Fett...

[@intboom]

Gina carano was clearly meant to be mandos season 3 companion

[@njbrx]

Disney being Disney ruined that

[@GigaTyGuy]

The pirate boss was straight out of Jim Hansen's Muppets. And I legitimately thought, not exaggerating here, that the ad spot with Mando talking to Apollo with baby yoda spinning in the office chair was a corny ad for toothpaste or taco bell. I was seriously waiting for the product reveal for All-State or something.

[@lucendelplantin2839]

Little platoon and drinker ….. automatic like‼️😂

[@buildamillionbridges6153]

I enjoyed Mando episode 1 until you guys dissected it. I was willing to suspend belief but you guys were spot on with every error. The Grogu looped run made me pee my pants. You make me wish I could spend my Friday night drinking and podcasting like you guys. Overall. I’m will to suspend belief with Mando as long as it doesn’t fall into Rodriquez Boba Fett territory. Keep up the good work. Guys are producing phenomenally entertaining content. Cheers.

[@jwroot]

Jon, Dave don't BS us!

[@TheHermitsQuarters]

You're allowed to like it, enjoy it, and think it has flaws or is even straight up bad. These things are not contradictory.

[@michaeld.uchiha9084]

Why you need other people to see something are you so small brain yourself?

[@charliecooke6867]

It's less a videogame and more like a very drawn out tabletop RPG.

[@Arthas30000]

With only fetch quests 🙄 idk if I'd enjoy that style of game in ma TTRPG 😂

[@ArgentWolf95]

it's more like a single player MMO, like a Ubisoft RPG.

[@jakes.9023]

Season 1 was Firefly: Do the job, keep flying. And I loved that!! May not be repeated, but I’ll always have S1

[@Mmoraltz]

Between baby yodas incongruent level of education and yodas' speech, im begining to think the entire species has some sort of communication impediment,

[@c.t.7450]

At first the excuse of baby Yoda for acting like a child for me was that he somehow lost the ability to communicate after the fall of the Jedi and the horrors he had to endure,but after the episodes with Ahsoka tano and LUKE where the communicate with him and all his past memories start to come back he should start acting at least like a teenager!!BUT!The writers found that he is very popular and lovable acting like a child so they force him to stay this way!!Reminds me of Baby Groot who since then started to grow cause the writers understood that he cant always be that sweet little creature forever because it starts to get tiresome

[@DrLipkin]

I like to pretend that he's doing exactly what Yoda did when he met Luke. Pretending to be incompetent. Yoda did it to test Luke. Grogu is doing it to be spoiled and to screw with people. Luke didn't coddle him, so he went back to Din.

[@BRONZALiVE]

Andors overall quality in writing, filmmaking and cinematography makes Mando look like a straight to dvd movie imo

[@forplaint_ru]

It's not THAT bad, bit it's certainly bordering it. The Kenobi show, as much as I love the character, was hell of a straight to DVD movie 100%

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

They’re different things. Judged on their own merits they are both quality, and I say this as someone who broke down and got Disney+ for Andor and only watched Mandalorian and Boba Fett after Andor.

[@bloodcarver913]

Andor SUCKED.

[@BRONZALiVE]

@@bloodcarver913 I respect ur opinion🥹

[@forplaint_ru]

@@bloodcarver913 it was just a solid show. Not a big one, not trash. Kinda forgettable and slow, but it had its moments. I'll take a few seasons of THAT any day rather than seeing something like another sequel trilogy crap. God forbid

[@codyt.1905]

Been awhile since I read a good book. Think I will have to check it out.

[@thedarkknight9805]

The Drinker and Mauler accidentally made a better toy advertisement than disney has for the past 7 years. "Go-Gu" a goofy-walking, remote control grogu!

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Okay season 2 was NOT shit at all, it had some of the best episodes of Star Wars I've ever seen. The krayt dragon episode was one of the best pieces of star wars content ever made, Bill Burr came outta nowhere like an RKO to nail it as Mayfeld, giving that character a better arc in ONE episode than most characters have in a season, and Luke returning to open up a can of whoop ass on the dark troopers made me cry That being said yeah S3 will probably ruin it all

[@papalaz4444244]

The quality of scripts, acting and production of Andor, sadly craps all over this. There are no stakes.

[@fatty7780]

Episode 2 today really delivered for me!

[@joshuahenderson3444]

Gorgu eating frog babies and now Babufrick BAD BBY Yoda! Bad bby! 😂 lmaof

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

When I saw the creature in the first few minutes, it reminded me of a mosasaurus mixed in with a snapping turtle. Also, like everyone else, there, I was expecting them to humiliate Cara Dune as well. But they gave it a pass and as for the door remaining open for a possible return from Gina is very unlikely right now. But if Kathleen Kennedy is to be leaving soon, then that could possibly signal that Jon Favreau might ask Gina to come back as Cara Dune since they haven’t started filming Rangers of the New Republic yet.

[@MrPokemonisawesome]

I think it was a decent episode, yes it was a bit slow but Andor started off slow and then it went from 0 to 100 and was gripping as hell so they are prob just trying to get people settled back into the universe of the mando

[@marwana4834]

I'd argue it was pretty awful. The only scene that somewhat mattered to the plot was the scene with bo katan, and all she did was point Mando off in the right direction to get to wherever he needs to go to redeem himself so he can rejoin his clan in a plotline where there are absolutely no stakes

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

It's season 3... You really need time to settle in?

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@TheLoos3Goos33 They’re setting up the new state of things. Navarro isn’t a one horse backwater planet anymore. The Watch have reassembled and/or grown since we last saw them. Bo Karan is a broken woman who isn’t ready to try to do the one thing that can redeem her. The goofy looking pirates have a ship that is much better than the one Bo Karan lost, and we’ll have to revisit that. Sadly, Grogu wasn’t allowed to eat the stupid things from ROTS.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

Mandalorian still hasn't progressed anywhere over two and half seasons, 20 episodes. Andor told its story and gave us awesome characters in 12 episodes.

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

​@@donkeysaurusrex7881 1) We saw that in season 2 2) They are supposed to be all dead according to Book of Boba Fett, where did they spawn from? 3) Bo-Katan is obsessed with Darksaber and cares only about herself, we know that already. 4) Pirates appear in almost every episode and die.

[@timothy790110]

Also that 5 min and 30 second long crocodile sequence added NOTHING to the plot. It must have been crazy expensive too.

[@pd502]

You guys sum up perfectly the "logic" in the series. Not gonna say anything new here but at the end of the day SW was never about "logic". Aside from some darker sub stories in books/games/comics (mostly the Dark Side themed ones) it's pure & fun pulp sci-fi. And that's what Mando did at the time when SW was at its worst after the abysmal trilogy - it gave that pulpy "advanture stories" feeling. The series can also be credited for giving some mistreated characters respect as opposed to what the "Kennedy bunch" does...

[@Hello-bi1pm]

Who they gave respect? BOBF kept disrespecting Boba and Favreau is credited as a writer

[@pd502]

@@Hello-bi1pm I was actually talking about the Mandalorian series not BoBF. And meant Luke in particular.

[@highlordxeleth]

People aren't used to decent storytelling and writing anymore. They celebrate stuff like this. Writing is one of my passion, I have pals celebrating this and telling me how stupid I am for not liking it; how much of a bore I am; how I don't get it; etc etc etc and everytime I try to give an objective critique to them, so they understand my point of view, writing/storytelling-wise, they lose it. "I'm ruining their fun" or whatever, "watching it wrong", etc. Only one who regretted it deeply is a pal who joined my tabletop sessions and was shocked by the difference in storytelling quality. Just with a god damn tabletop game. Brought him new perspectives I guess. Sorry, had to get it out of my system.

[@Sam5D]

Mandalorian has always been a mid show I knew it would be mid when they decided to center the plot around baby Yoda mostly to sell toys

[@sonofcelebrimbor7481]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this. Like I didn’t hate it but it didn’t do anything particularly well either

[@worshipfreely29]

Well done Disparu I've been ranting about Grogu eating their clients babies since I saw that episode....the absolute audacity ; )