Drinker's Chasers - Robert Meyer-Burnett On Picard Season 3

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Imagine what could have been if Picard season 1 hadn't been a Patrick Stewart vanity project, and actually focused on a Picard retired from Starfleet. You know, doing something like travelling around the galaxy embracing his established passion for archaeology, and using that as a backdrop for something larger to occur.

[@RogueFox2185]

In a better world it would have been a cool dynamic with Picard and Sisko traveling the galaxy together and each learning from the other as they go about solving problems on their adventures with their own preferred methods of resolution.

[@aurorauplinks]

I doubt season 1 was Stewart's idea or fault

[@leewright1]

You're hired!!! Oh wait, it's too late. Retreat to head-canon and appreciate what came before. 😒

[@thorinpalladino2826]

It would have looked like season 1. Stewart hates scifi and scifi fans. Not to mention he is one of the extra woke.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

@@thorinpalladino2826 I find it's easy to be extra woke when you have lots of $$$.

[@Durzo1259]

"Star Trek doesn't tell you what to think, it gives you things to think about." Greatest explanation of Star Trek ever!

[@dramaticwords]

And just one of the things missing from nuTrek -- starting with ST2009, when Kurtzman first got involved in the franchise.

[@simonhandy962]

"Wrongthink is futile!", woke Borg SJWs....

[@Durzo1259]

@@dramaticwords It really is what made Star Trek so beautiful in the first place. I remember when the first NuTrek came out in 2009; everybody I knew loved it and I almost wondered if something was wrong with me because I was the only one saying, "This isn't remotely Star Trek. It's all just action and excitement. Where's the exploration of deep, philosophical quandaries?" Then I find out later that Alex Kurtzman said (roughly), "I saw Star Trek TNG and I didn't like it. It was way too philosophical. Movie goers don't want that, they want excitement." ...and all I could think was, "what a fucking idiot!"

[@dramaticwords]

@@Durzo1259 I gave ST2009 a lot of leeway, because the ST movies have never been as good as the TV series. But blowing up Vulcan and Romulus, rewriting Kirk's past... those were unforgivable. Then Into Darkness came out, and it was the worst thing I'd ever seen. The "philosophical" aspects of Star Trek were the best thing about it, what set it apart from all the dystopian space opera. By that statement alone, Kurtzman proved he is the wrong person to be working on Star Trek.

[@Durzo1259]

@@dramaticwords It's kind of telling of the modern age, isn't it? Stories are all about feelings and excitement, while deep philosophical introspection is shunned. Kinda like our woke government and education institutions that are now proudly saying, "We teach kids what to think, not how to think." It makes me wonder if it's part of a grander scheme to condition the next generation to not even consider that there could be more than one way of looking at the world.

[@ZPositive]

I love how you all give the floor to Robert. Just letting the man speak. Thank you, Drinker, Mauler, and crew. You're exactly what this world needs.

[@angrytoybox2033]

Sounds like a desperate man trying to hold on to a crum of something he loved. Hollyweird sucks and that hasn’t changed yet.

[@ravnabergsndot1854]

@@angrytoybox2033 I admire RMB for his passion and I desperately hope he is right about Picard S3. There are many people out there who loved Star Trek and especially TNG for decades now. Leave us this little bit of hope for a good conclusion of something that was good and special to us.

[@ZPositive]

@@ravnabergsndot1854 1000% agree

[@w0undedmakers251]

@@ravnabergsndot1854 sucker.

[@LN997-i8x]

It looked like most of them weren't paying attention to him when he was talking. DDay was on his phone and Eric was doing something else the whole time.

[@ikenosis8160]

My favorite part of the new Picard show has been not watching it. Thank you for taking the hit for me, my friends.

[@zerocool5395]

The RLM reviews are the best thing about new Star Trek.

[@Base10Montessori]

RMB really talked this up, but I just can't open my mind up to the new season after all the damage done. I will have to be convinced by more people than RMB before I give the new season of Picard a chance.

[@humankirk9196]

@@Base10Montessori the best thing to do about JarJar Trek is to starve it of attention until it dies. Even a less mediocre Trek season will only prolong their defilement of Star Trek. So yeah, not watching this.

[@robertgriffiths1724]

AMEN brother AMEN

[@projektkobra2247]

LOL!!....ICE COLD-RIGHT ON!!!! You win the internet!!! I am OUT!

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our fandoms, and we fall back. They assimilate entire franchises, and we fall back. Not again! The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And we will make them pay for what they've done!

[@garyambrosini1427]

Captain Ahab has to go hunt his whale!

[@DeAngryDan]

Agreed 👍👍👍

[@ge9367]

👏

[@zathrasnotzathras9435]

There needs to be a hell yeah button

[@garethmorgan8326]

Reward them with Silence, reward them with un shakeable indifference : if they fixed it it is TOO LATE.

[@ollyb7570]

STD and Picard have been poison to the franchise. Drinker is spot on about the Andor analogy, even if Picard season 3 is good it’s too little too late, too much damage has been done.

[@zidahya]

No! If this new Season is how he described it and it carrys the ghost of Star Trek, than you have to watch it. Just to get the numbers up and show the execs what the viewer realy wants. If this dies because "oh, it's too late for me", than the franchise dies with it. I can see the headlines about a failing season 3 and "toxic fans don't know what they want" and "it was misagony all along". Just watch it.... if it turns out how he says.

[@jongarzamx]

I loved Andor, but if Lucas Films releases a movie I'm not watching it, it's gonna take at least 5 years of well made stuff to bring me back.

[@slimbombur7922]

I don't want to have to suffer through 2 seasons of filth to get to see some good TV.

[@Arthas30000]

Honestly, if S3 is as good as it was described, then it deserves a watch. The execs need to see WHAT viewers want, so the new showrunner is given more freedom to do what he is doing

[@LN997-i8x]

@@zidahya The executives don't give a fuck, because pandering to the drones is easier and more profitable. I'm not throwing my time at their feet and hoping they give us something worthwhile.

[@dramaticwords]

After S1 of Picard, I swore off all nuTrek. I will not watch anything new until Alex Kurtzman and his Bad Robot cronies are gone from the franchise. And I say this as a lifelong ST fan. Doesn't matter if S3 tries to be more like ST. It still accepts S1-2 as ST. It still has Picard as an android, Seven of Nine as a mass murdering psychopath, a Federation that built an android slave race, Romulus destroyed, a dark, dystopian, violent, amoral, anarchic universe with no trace of Roddenberry's optimistic vision of the future. No thank you. Robert Meyer Burnett is correct in his criticisms of nuTrek, and those are good reasons not to watch any more of it.

[@projektkobra2247]

Hear hear.

[@tonidjugum5553]

Exactly!!!

[@TheRadioAteMyTV]

For swearing off something you know a mega amount about it. I really did give up after Picard S1, since we still had The Orville as wonderful entertainment to retreat happily to, and I therefore knew none of that stuff happened and I am not going back, because going back to imposters is not a desire of mine.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

Personally I liked S1 and 2 as they are. As far as I can tell consistent to the lore enough to be plausible, definitely consistent enough to themselves and have the deeper moral questions going on - better than 90% of modern sci-fi writing. Yes its darker, but to me that isn't a fatal flaw it is just not very ST. So if what you wanted was more TNG... But then you need to have some darkness before it can be fixed - now hopefully they get the chance to redeem the clearly morally collapsed federation (rather than the federation filled with the Evil Admirals and the like of TNG era that somehow get to positions of real influence without making the federation as broken or worse than it is in Picard S1).

[@dramaticwords]

@@foldionepapyrus3441 You're hilarious. And completely wrong.

[@Tien1million]

Forget waiting until episode 9, I'll shed tears if I see one good Star Trek episode at this moment.

[@Jack__Reaper]

Strange New Worlds is pretty good

[@rasta77-x7o]

I had completely disregarded Star Trek after Discovery but Strange New Worlds gave me some good old vibes.

[@Jack__Reaper]

@@rasta77-x7o yeah same here. Life long Star Trek fan and Strange New Worlds is the best thing they've done in years!

[@ADayintheLifeoftheTw]

Bingeing lower decks has been fun. Characters regularly get their comeuppance and they stay respectful to the old lore. It feels like watching later seasons of futurama. Rutherford is goat.

[@dramaticwords]

The Orville is the closest thing to Star Trek since 2005.

[@alabama2uz]

I literally forgot this show existed.

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

Then you clearly didn't watch it, because it was so bad, that it is impossible to forget!

[@LN997-i8x]

Lucky you, I've been trying to forget about it.

[@brodude7194]

@@DisgruntledDoomer Exactly, I took my hat after episode 3 or so and never returned.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Star Trek Continues show is more respectful to the Star Trek lore than the current ones nowadays.

[@sdprazak]

I LOVED that series! Especially the final two episodes that closed it out. Just marvelous!

[@stompieandsuzie]

Biggest travesty was CBS/Paramount not hiring the creative team behind ST Continues to work for them

[@Cognaxance]

Not only magnitudes more respectful, but the writing and stories are incredibly well done. The entire series should be inducted into canon IMO. Because that's what Star Trek looks and feels like when those in charge of making Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek, is their passion.

[@projektkobra2247]

HEAR HEAR!...thats the Trek I think we all want to SEE...a PROFESSIONALLY made, highly budgeted Kirk/Spock continuation...IN THE 60's STYLE.... I LOVED ST:C.....I loved how they got Doohans kid...The guy who played Spock..a HUGE act to follow...really grew on me after a while..and I think he was great in the role. Not a fan of "Vic" Mignogna's porn star/mafia name...(go with "Victor"..more dignified on the credit screen)..But he did a great "Kirk"..WITHOUT being too "SHATNER"..if you know what I mean. There were some lesser lights like the guy who played Sulu, and Uhura...Its amazing the gravitas that Takei and Nicols brought to the original roles....so some recasting or acting lessons there...but the FEEL of that show...for all its flaws was ALMOST JUST enough to have me suspend my disbelief and think I was seeing ALL NEW REAL TREK!!!

[@Lonovavir]

It's S4 of TOS for me. Fans make the best ST series and films now.

[@DeAngryDan]

This is sad, it's the equivalent to a wife that's been slapped around for years finally getting her bag's to leave and on her way out the door the abusive husband starts crying and says how much he loves her and takes her for a lovely dinner and for the whole week he treats her better than ever... I'm sure he won't slap the shit outta her again 🤪

[@oldgoat142]

Now that's a helluva relatable analogy. Kudos.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

"I've changed, babe. Look! Here's Geordi LaForge. You love his calm demeanor and memories of Reading Rainbow, right, babe?"

[@russ254]

exactly

[@swmtothemoon6660]

We call that hoovering in regards to abusive narcissists!!

[@humankirk9196]

@DeAngry Dan i think you win the Internet today with that comment, best regards

[@JJtheUtahRealtor]

Rob is a much needed breath of fresh air for all of us jaded fans. His optimism really helps balance out these conversations. Please have him on more!

[@minbari73]

We can only hope what he says is true, as I will be watching this show with a metaphorical fine tooth comb looking for subtle 'climate change' ' 'pandemic' 'vaccination' 'gay agenda' 'anti-white' and 'woke' nonsense sneakily inserted into it that he may have ignored because he's an utter fan boy.

[@cordaewestmore]

ROB CAN SUCK IT AND JUST LET PEOPLE WATCH THE SHOW OR THEY F__KIN DON'T

[@flameshana9]

Imagine being optimistic after being burned so many times already. It seems more like masochism at this point.

[@minbari73]

@@flameshana9 It hurts so bad.

[@danh.5998]

@@flameshana9 Imagine whining about everything all the time

[@joshuacalkins]

This is the most convincing endorsement I could imagine, and I still can’t trust it enough to pay the company that has been desecrating the franchise. When the dust settles, maybe this is fantastic news, but it’s difficult to imagine right now. Paramount has been churning out anti-trek garbage at an incredible pace. Damn right, Stewart hasn’t been playing Picard at all. Totally unrecognizable.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

5 seasons of STD Lower Decks Brave New Worlds 2 seasons of Picard all garbage. "But trust us, someone on our payroll said we've changed"

[@joshuacalkins]

@@CleverGirlAAH I don’t think Robert is being disingenuous at all. I believe he believes, and I hope he’s right. Considering how clearly he has stated the same disgust that I feel, this change of tune is not something I dismiss. I just need a lot more convincing before I risk even a little modern Star Trek. Looking forward to more trusted people chiming in.

[@photodude24]

Drinker loved that you had Rob Burnett on. Rob is a pretty fair judge of Star Trek.

[@iansheaver4251]

I always enjoy anything that the Drinker produces, but I have to say, when Robert Meyer Burnett is a guest, he really elevates the programme to another level. Always insightful and fascinating. I could listen to him all day.

[@stuunitt2947]

Yep, RMB is a great guy and is especially good on the John Campea show.... when Campea actually allows him to get a word in, that is!

[@stonecoldprose]

Years ago, before "Disco," they asked Michael Dorn about a "Captain Worf" series and I remember how excited I was at the prospect. I was naive enough to believe a NextGen continuation series would keep the style, spirit, and general aesthetic of the original we all loved. In other words, I pictured it as Next Generation Season 8. Just picking up where we left off, basically, with the same themes of complex moral problems, exploration and hope for the future. I had no idea they were going to turn Trek into a dismal J.J. Abrams movie with third-rate "modern" writing and new characters nobody gives a shit about. If Picard S3 can somehow tap back into the old spirit of things that would be marvelous. IF.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

Yeah Worf with domestic abuse problems. "Alexander walked into a space door knob"

[@jamesrobinson2086]

Do you remember when the Jar-Jar Trek trailer was 1st released... the kid playing young James screams at the camera "My name is Jame Tiberius Kirk!"? . JJ thought he was bringing emotional 'grit' to the introduction of the character.. then found out in testing people HATED the character immediately and refused to change their minds at any point during the story. They walked out hating James T Kirk.... . So they used a different take where he just SAYS his name.. instead of screaming it at the camera.... but he hated making the change.... he WANTED that scene..... . Jump forward a couple years and we have John telling the bridge crew & audience his name is 'Kahn'... because he was going to get his scene this time no matter what.... . ... and everybody is kind of.. wait.. wut? Who gives a shit? Who's Kahn? . JJ is like a bunch of film makers who knows how to compose a shot and make everything look beautiful, but can't write a script to save their life

[@MKDumas1981]

Starfleet would have had to forgive Worf for what happened in "Change of Heart". Sisko said Worf would never be promoted to Captain for what he did.

[@merafirewing6591]

@@jamesrobinson2086 yeah, there was alot of potential to the Kelvin Timeline, but Abrams was just the wrong writer for it.

[@stevenscott2718]

@@MKDumas1981 Yeah especialy as if he wanted a captiancy in the Kilgon empire all he'd have to do is "hey Chancellor Martok, can i have a ship please" and he'd get one.

[@tattooeddragon]

I watched one episode of Picard, ONE! And in the fifteen minutes I had to endure I was treated to a migraine on the magnitude of a shotgun blast to the forehead after stomaching “woke” attitudes from whiny cowards who somehow epitomized the future. And I have to agree with Drinker, after being fed garbage for years from brain dead writers who hate the franchise’s we love, it’s difficult to trust that one season will lead to an epiphany amongst Hollywood that good writing and intriguing characters is what it takes to get your fans back. One can only hope.

[@TuxedoKamina]

I didn't even bother with Picard. After the JJ Treks and 3 episodes of Discovery I knew for sure that Star Trek was dead and will only live on fondly in my memories and the old series.

[@failforward8519]

I couldn't even bring myself to watch the trailer because I HATED HATED HATED the first 2 seasons sooooo much. Seeing this on your channel is the ONLY reason I'll be giving it a shot.

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

watch the s3 trailer and you'll see through his lies

[@DeAngryDan]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry is he being a shill?

[@User_Unknown86]

@Joshua Perry I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but if the first few episodes are as bad as the first 2 seasons, I'll call him out his bullshit.

[@mindaugasstankus5943]

Same as gaming - do not pre-order. Same as tech - do not be early adopter. Wait week or so for (more than) few REAL reviews. All these early access for press and influencer smell really foul past decade or so.

[@Tien1million]

You made it through 2 seasons? Wow, I gave up after the 1st episode of season 1.

[@VolvoImpala]

I like the cut of this fella's jib talking Star Trek. He really knows his ins and outs and I can tell as someone who did watch the original series and loved the D.C. Fontana penned episodes as well as the Gene L. Coon episodes. That original show had so much going for it in the writer's room. I can tell that the people who were heading up the series were not going to take mediocre scripts for an answer. Brilliant writing, brilliant characters, and just a general sense that this was the pinnacle of television making at the time. The first season of Star Trek is one of the best seasons of television ever concerning the sheer amount of episodes and more importantly the amount of classic episodes that will always be standards for the show.

[@drlca6601]

TOS is god.

[@inkermoy]

I think RMB is being genuine here, but I think he's heavily biased because he cares about these actors in a personal way, having a personal connection with them. But some of the actors have been very disparaging to half their potential audience on social media that he can't cover for, maybe agrees with, but will maybe say it in a nicer way because he comes off as a nice guy. So, to me, he is shilling. But not for Paramount or NuTrek, but for the people he cares for. As I wrote in a reply to someone else replying to RMB video to give Picard S3 a chance: These people were loaned the toys we grew to love, and they broke them into itty bitty pieces, spreading their fecal matter all over them. They can try to undo Luke thinking about killing his nephew, they can try to turn back the Timeless Child, and they can try to make me forget about Icheb's severed eye. They can try to clean off and tape back together our once-beloved franchises. But the damage is done, the toys are broken. The Magic is gone.

[@wendyb3713]

💯

[@brentchesson2179]

Well put.

[@polarissucks]

He mentions how he hates the first two, which shows he doesn't care for the personal actors. Dave Cullen released a short video saying it's great with the full one out on the tenth

[@inkermoy]

@@polarissucks I wouldn't go as far to say he doesn't care personally for the actors. In the video he said he spent hours interviewing the cast for the BR bonus materials and getting to know them. I do believe he personally likes them. All his railing I've seen about Picard for the first 2 seasons is directed at the writers and showrunners. I don't know if RMB has said "Stewart, keep whatever personal tragedies/issues you may have in the therapist's office and out of the show!" Correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, I did see Dave's video on confirming he got pre-screeners and he does say it's good (not perfect (of course)). Although I am a supporter of Dave's, I find it dubious if someone given access gives something such high praise as RMB has, and to a lesser extent, Dave. I suppose it's nice to be considered to have a high enough status to be given access, but can you be truly objective then unless you're willing to give your honest candid opinion, possibly burning your bridge to such access? At least one aspect might be in the "not perfect" category is an article spotlighting the crew of the Titan on CBR's site. They seem very diverse and inclusive, and I'm sure they're all stunning and brave. Although the Titan is captained by a white male, the picture they use for him compared to the diversity crew makes him look like a rube and not that intelligent. How much screentime or importance they'll have? I guess we'll find out soon. www.cbr.com/star-trek-picard-uss-titan-a-crew-paramount/ All in all, the direction Paramount is taking Star Trek in is both antithetical in tone and philosophy. Remember in TNG's The Neutral Zone where they revived some people from the 21st century? Riker mentions that it would be great if they could keep them on board, like a visit from the past. But Picard says no, our mission is to go forward (toward the future). Pretty much all ST has been doing lately is revisiting the past. Picard S3 doesn't seem to change that.

[@RN1441]

Agreed. Point 1: Patrick Stewart should have checked his privilege, not denigrated the CHARACTER of Picard who had led a life of selfless sacrifice to the Federation to the point where his family line was at an end. Point 2: When Frakes said you have to watch it or you won't get anymore, many of us accepted his offer and are just waiting for their failure to wrap up and get passed over to competent hands. I'm going to wait at least another 5 years before coming back because even if they have pulled their heads out now, they've been digging the hole deeper the previous five years - it's only fair. Point 3: Jason Isaac's said 'you'll watch it anyway' - nope.

[@RogueFox2185]

If what he says about this season is true, it probably would have been better as it’s own stand-alone show for one season that had nothing to do with the rest of Picard because right out the gate most ST fans have walked away by now and it would take a miracle to even get them to watch this. After all people aren’t gonna forget that the real Picard died in S1, (Those machine gods should have returned awhile ago by now and wiped out the galaxy) the Borg Queen nonsense in S2 and all the other crap that dumped all over Picard and Starfleet itself every chance it got.

[@Aequitas_RJ]

What people don't understand about the far-left's Scorched Earth strategy is that the franchise is worthless, but THAT WAS THE INTENT. They are probably putting out this season as a test to truly see if the franchise is dead, like kicking a deer after you've shot it to make sure it won't jump back up and get away.

[@wolfsfroth]

They should just multiverse their way out of all of it 🤣🤣🤣

[@projektkobra2247]

Maybe Q (aka The Great Gazoo), will show up and snap his fingers, and all that crap in the first two seasons was all a "dream".

[@struki84]

From what I read between the lines, it might be the case that the new management decided to do what the woke have been doing to these franchises for a decade, just ignored everything written before them and played dumb. I'm guessing, but if there is a shred of competence they can write it in with some intelligence and make it clever. Robert did mention couple of times that they openly mocked STP and STD...so there is hope :D

[@wolfsfroth]

@@projektkobra2247 That'd be fine with me!

[@mattharris8622]

Havnt watched Picard S1 & S2 due to reviews, but i binge watched S3 last night so good! Good writing, good storylines, visuals & set design. Great seeing the TNG cast back together again!

[@heatseekerx51]

Don't do this to us Robert... Don't give us hope...

[@NathanCassidy721]

Just remember, you can blame him for everything if it turns out to be the same old shit.

[@skatedurr]

@@NathanCassidy721 if im getting honey potted, imma be so mad 😡

[@NathanCassidy721]

@@skatedurr I mean, the silver lining to this is Alex Kurtzman and his ilk have all been booted out from the IP. But at best, it's gonna be Star Wars Andor all over again.

[@snoopy7261]

@@NathanCassidy721 Kurtzman has not gone anywhere. Secret Hideout is still in control of Star Trek production.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

Fortunately for me it is dead, ST or hope, it is dead. No amount of praise can make we watch Kurtzman's stain.

[@clasbin77]

If a man like R. M. Burnett was able to see that, again, in a Star Trek, I'm sold. Best news I've had, thanks guys.

[@ThatMadCat]

I will believe it when I see it.

[@Atomicjedi]

Everyone was listening to Robert with bated breath. This sounds like something we've been waiting for. Let's hope him shining a light on this next season will come through for us!

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

A few people were dunking on him as well in chat. I admire Rob's optimism. I don't always agree with him but people moaning about him and wanting to move on to a different topic wasn't very respectful.

[@alexlewis5365]

I always like watching these things. I'm never going to watch the show, but I'll watch youtubers talking about them.

[@LazyEyeNZ]

I really love how everyone waited for Rob to speak without interrupting. Such a classy group.

[@jackdorseysdisappointedfather]

Oh wow. Hearing his enthusiasm left me in such a better mood than I started the video in.🤣👍

[@iratepirate3896]

Prepare to have your hopes crushed

[@professorstewart6379]

It was amazing after so much bad Trek to see Picard season 3 deliver absolute classic Trek.

[@nathanpopp2721]

It's amazing to me to hear Robert talk about this new season in such a positive and compelling way that everyone else in the stream is just sitting silently and listening to every word he says without interruption. Truly impressive.

[@paulware4701]

This sounds awesome. The first Star Trek I've wanted to watch in more than a decade.

[@thomasjermy4816]

I just finished watching DS9 for the 10th plus time and this gives me hope.

[@hawkofsteel5169]

Wow. What an amazing, thoughtful discussion. Robert was spot on with everything.

[@SuperSteve152]

"even First Contact is lacking" ... arrow to my heart

[@asdf51501]

I get it, but I agree with him on that point. First Contact IS lacking, particularly once they go back in time.

[@snoopy7261]

I hate what they did to the character of Zefram Cochrane. They thought is was so clever and side splitting to make him a drunken fool. Enterprise had to try hard to redirect his character so he would be more in line with the Cochrane we see in TOS. First Contact was certainly lacking.

[@drlca6601]

My favourite piece of Star Trek media after WoK. Tbf though, it isn't perfect, but and to be fair again, that bar set by anything after WoK isn't very high.

[@manuelsalgado9457]

It's always great to watch the heads of my favorite channels working together

[@authorrayrogers]

13:38... you nailed it, Robert. You singled-handedly made me excited for Star Trek again.

[@Talonfox_31]

Wonderful news and a breath of fresh air. After having been thoroughly disappointed by season 1, I am skipping over season 2 and eagerly awaiting season 3. One of your best conversations to date, this one really matters. From those of us who grew up with and love the Star Trek franchise--thank you.

[@randycliff4045]

Robert Meyer Burnett shared so much of my feelings. I grew up during the original broadcasts, and the imitation shows [ use your own words ] of the more recent years were not Star Trek, so I haven't watched any of it. It appeared obvious there was no commitment to the existing fan base, but a desire to latch on to a new crowd of viewers. But even with that, I really never heard any love the tone of the new shows. For us, we did continue to watch reruns of the original series show. Fascinating that Picard season 3 may be a shift, demonstrating the consequences when you abandon years of successes.

[@DelightfulTyrant]

Nope, he's shilling. Stop being easily tricked.

[@slade52]

What the fuck is going on? Is it really that easy to fool people?

[@CatKingCole82]

Thank you so much for this Drinker. 🙏 really respect how you let your guest do most of the talking to. You're an excellent host

[@abstractjwl806]

Love RMB. I heard this on the regular show but I just wanted to hear it again 🤗

[@DMichaelAtLarge]

Count me in as someone suffering from the Andor syndrome. I've washed my hands of anything new Trek. I don't care how much better, how more fun, how touching and authentic to real Star Trek season 3 is. It's too little too late. I'm not going to sign up for Paramount+ just to watch one season of one show. Star Trek is a closed chapter in my life. In my world, there is no Star Trek after Enterprise.

[@Aikurisu]

lol, I think the real question that needs to be asked is why should fans give it a chance when the actors themselves don't give a damn about them?

[@oldgoat142]

Good point.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

I understand the spirit, but that is the wrong framework. Actors are paid to act. Part of that act is promoting the garbage they're in. Even Jeremy Irons does Dungeons and Dragons. Will Wheaton? Whil wheaton can get fukt and dye tho, that little pissant. lol

[@Tien1million]

What about a different director and crew that care about the franchise? That might be a reason. Actors don't ever care about anything other than their paychecks. They're just talking heads, I don't know why people take them seriously or care about what they say.

[@cortholiopezorama8879]

“ Actors don't ever care about anything other than their paychecks.” Henry salvaged the first couple of seasons of Witcher.

[@LN997-i8x]

@@Tien1million There are plenty of good actors out there, such sweeping generalizations are always a shit way to view things.

[@eddiebruv]

Just watched some Next Generation. Everybody remembers it with rose tinted glasses, but it’s still better than most stuff presented to us now.

[@CSMcVay]

Better than things now is a low, low bar. I only watched it for the first time a few years ago. I was very unimpressed and have no desire to watch it again. Loved the original series though!

[@mikavirtanen7029]

TNG has steadily ranked down in my personal Trek show ranking, and is now in the 4th place before Voyager. Seasons 3-5 are still awesome, thanks to then showrunner late Michael Piller, and there are damn good single episodes before and after those seasons, but as a whole it's not near the best. Strange New Worlds isn't bad, but when the show is literally on Captain Pike's shoulders, and still attached to Dysentery series, i treat it like better fanfic Star Trek with good production values.

[@TheRadioAteMyTV]

@@CSMcVay S2-6 are really good and S6 has some of the best TV I have ever seen. S7 gets muddled while they were prepping for going to movies and leaving the TV show behind. The giant bummer was their movies were simply weak two part episodes joined together. Had they been strong two parters jammed together that would have been just fine.

[@NathanCassidy721]

What season did you watch. Because S1 is very different from the later seasons.

[@Cuthalu]

I've seen TNG around 6 times. After the first 1.5 seasons it really picks up and, by today's standards, the writing is still generally top notch. But sure there are some fillers with the large episode counts per season.

[@hooman9e]

That last line in the video from Robert 😂 bravo sir. I really hope Picard S3 will be as good as you say it is

[@DelightfulTyrant]

Stop being tricked, he's shilling.

[@hooman9e]

@@DelightfulTyrant you're right, he might be. He's definitely got history of that with Campea but we'll see. I really hope he's right though

[@snoopy7261]

There is nothing they can say that can erase the fact Picard is now an android. Nor is there anything that can erase all the swearing, alcohol drinking, smoking, sex, incest and dystopian future. Robert did say they have to acknowledge Seasons 1-2. To ignore them is the only way to get rid of all that unwanted baggage.

[@byzmack1334]

I was planning on skipping Picard season 3. It is great to hear from trusted sources that it is actually worth watching. I hope it is great and that people watch it so that these Hollywood types can see what it is they should be making. Enough updating for modern audiences. It is also great to know that Patrick Stewart's last performance wasn't Picard season 2. He was looking quite old and frail there and I wasn't sure he was going to make it.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

I truly hope that Picard season 3 is a return to form, however I cannot forget how seasons 1 and 2 massacred the character.

[@jerome1lm]

Picard literally died! How do you recover from that? The guy is dead and now we have some robot who was programed to think that he is Picard and everybody just goes along with it!

[@humankirk9196]

The best way is to ignore the existence of JarJar Trek and not to watch any of it

[@UncleJackOnline]

not gonna lie, i was disappointed with this series but im still gonna watch season 3. I just want Worf to growl at then totally ignore Jean Droid Picard as its just a copy of his dead friend who is in Sto-vo-kor

[@kwc1138]

Massacred the entirety of Starfleet and it’s history as well.

[@slade52]

@@vadergravy Sucker

[@Onmyfacepls]

As a Trek fan who liked everything until after Enterrpise, this sounds too good to be true. Like, it's what I always would have wanted to see from something post-Nemesis in story and lore.

[@Travixius1]

Give Enterprise another shot. I hated it initially too, but compared to anything after 2009 it's masterful

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Dave Cullen was offered the first 6 episodes of Picard season 3 by one of the producers...I'm for Dublin tomorrow and if I see big Dave I'll ask him what he thinks 🤔😉

[@chrispekel5709]

Sure, you'll run into him at the pub. Last I heard there's only 2 dozen people in the Irish capital haha

[@davfree9732]

To be fair, listening to RMB sell this to drinker has more detail than what I’ve heard on RMB’s channel. And while hearing that Terry was left to make Picard because everyone else jumped ship on the production front is a tick in Picards favour… the question now is… how much power does Terry have? If he makes Star Trek popular again, can he keep control? Or will Kurtzman come back ala Bob Iger and throw Terry out to locust his way through what Terry brought to 25% different Star Trek? … even if this season is good, Picard is still dead and replaced with an Android who thinks he’s Picard. Terry has to make NuTrek, that has gone out of its way to sabotage what Trek was. And who knows, this might be the finest wine Secret Hideout ever made… made by someone who does enjoy Trek… but made under the company with a history of drowning puppies. We are certainly beyond Teek just being a good season. We are opposed to what Trek became, and the people who drove it to where it is. So Terry has that hill to climb. Making something that even if it is good, means supporting a company we’d rather see gone.

[@michaelgruber5938]

" Picard is still dead and replaced with an Android who thinks he’s Picard" I´m willing to pretend this isn´t canon. Just give me good StarTrek, i´m used to completly ignore bad ideas established in this franchise (rewatch s1 of TNG to get my point).

[@davfree9732]

@@michaelgruber5938 Aye. I get what you mean. But TNG was a different kind of show with a different kind of scripting process. They would take scripts from writers who offered them back in those days. Books on the process recount how a writer woudl send in a script and hope it got picked... As a result, the pool of script writers was bigger, and they rarely got to talk to one another. It was the TNG production staff who had to tailor it to spec... Secret Hideout writers on the other hand have been described as a room of writers all working closely together, creating form form story telling and dividing the workload up between them. As a result, the production staff don't have to pay as much attention to the scripts that they expect are already tailored to what the show is... Because the writer pool is smaller and directly employed. As a result, Classic Trek would generate an above average number of continuity problems, but had access to script ideas outside of any echo chamber. NuTrek can... should... by design have significantly less continuity errors, but at the cost of showcasing a diverse set of ideas.

[@MrJellyton]

I am curious and will try this 3rd season, having not watched STD or any Picard. And I hope it's good, but something I'm really hoping for is for Terry, after creating something good, to garner some power and further creative control. Then, we may see Star Trek begin to be pulled out from the abyss.

[@davfree9732]

@@MrJellyton unfortunately, Terry belongs to Secret Hideout. Who belongs to Bad Robot. While I can hope, we've seen the parent company and companies like them are willing to take a hit to promote idealogical agendas. Nowhere is this more apparent than Disney who have two preferred options going forward. They either accept a new board member who champions growing a business via the method of granting and pursuing customer satisfaction... Or they go broke and allow companies that put the customer first go forward.

[@MrJellyton]

@@michaelgruber5938 I feel similarly. However, bad writing in modern day has become more than just bad creative choices. It's become hacks that hijack beloved franchises to peddle a contrived, political message in order to gain clout or get into some club of self-righteous egomaniacs. With that said, I am willing to stay tuned if they make good stories and continue to do so while further distancing themselves from the bad and Kurtzman and co. stay the fuck away.

[@thegamingeconomist3831]

Just watched S3E1 and the difference is astounding. There's a little too much TNG love-in, but otherwise I was pretty much glued to my chair. Picking up on what Robert said about 12 Monkeys, I loved that show and it's a shame it has never got the praise it deserved. Great to see some of that script DNA show up in Picard's last outing.

[@BeyerEfendi]

This is so surprising and welcome to hear. What a line up of the right conditions for this guy to take over the show and, apparently, make something true to the franchise and the fans. Cannot wait to see it.

[@John-Doe-Yo]

How can one put their self through watching this multiple times?

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Picard only hits you because it loves you. 🙃

[@TheRocco96]

Must be a form of Stockholm syndrome. I watched it once, and frequently used the fast forward button.

[@FrodeFender]

He was talking about watching season 3 several times. Not season 1 and 2....

[@CleverGirlAAH]

@@FrodeFender Thank you for being able to pay attention before commenting.

[@FrodeFender]

@@CleverGirlAAH 😉🙏🏼

[@SimVRRacing]

Now this guy knows what he's talking about, thank god for him! and thank you to everyone who made season 3 what it is......let's hope it reopens the door we all know and love

[@TheWarmachine375]

"The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think." - Jean-Luc Picard

[@Stealth639]

I first read that as "The road from legitimate subscriptions to rampant paranoia is much shorter than we think." Thought it was referring to streaming service subscriptions. 😂

[@benjaminstock5334]

Nothing says “rampant paranoia” quite like this channel’s comment section

[@snoopy7261]

That Picard died in season 1 and has been replaced by an android.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Because the difference between a conspiracy theory and reality has degraded to 6 months.

[@jessehcreative]

As someone going through the Wagon Train show right now, I feel like I would like Star Trek if I watched it. Thank you for reminding me of that “wagon train to the stars” line.

[@thepatriot6966]

I'm a life long Star Trek fan. For me the pinnicle of Star Trek TV Series always will be Deep Space 9. The best Cast. And crew. With the most wonderful story arcs I have ever seen in a Sci Fi show. That's the Star Trek I want.

[@cortholiopezorama8879]

DS9 had one fatal flaw… Not enough Garak.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

The only thing that I dislike about DS9 was that it ended. But I suppose all good things do

[@TolgaPala]

"Star Trek does not tell you what to think, Star Trek offers things to think about." That statement captures the essence of Star Trek so brilliantly, I am seriously thinking about framing it and hanging it on my wall.

[@fishjones4618]

We have to remind ourselves that, despite RMB touting himself to be one of us and a soldier of the cause, he’s also been deep in the industry. He’s been on Paramount’s dime in the past, curating the Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas and producing the extras on the TNG blu-rays. This sudden reversal on Star Trek Picard because six other aging ideologues desperate for work and touting THE MESSAGE have joined the cast isn’t an accident. So we should take everything he says about this show with at least a pinch of salt.

[@CleverGirlAAH]

A-freaking-men. At most this has put S3 as a ping on my radar. I'm waiting for scientific analysis before I go on a wild Bird of Prey chase. Be logical, people.

[@merc-chef]

A pinch? More like an asteroid's worth. There is no redeeming Star Trek.

[@wendyb3713]

💯

[@craighicksartwork]

He's always come across as very honest.

[@michaelcarson8375]

So I didn't make it more than one episode into season 1... I'm not even a trekkie and this one man sold me on wanting to watch all out season 3... Robert Meyer-Burnett is a very dangerous man. I'm glad he's not selling electric cars.

[@zathrasnotzathras9435]

it’s still incredibly dark visually. So many movies and TV shows are like that now. It’s like the studio forgot to pay the electric bill and they can’t put any lights on. I’d like to hear what Dave Cullen has to say too

[@RonsarLo]

RMB is is a true blooded Star Trek fan, he's as legit as it gets

[@ianlassitter2397]

Hope, after the horrendous abuse the fans have taken can be more painful then none at all.

[@alstoolchest6290]

Thank you Robert, after listening to your talk through Picard season 3, for the first time in years.. I’m excited to see some real Star Trek! 👍😎🎬🎥

[@setlik3gaming80]

RMB's is putting his reputation on the line.

[@themerote]

I'm so glad I listened to Rob, what an amazing season, probably one of the best ever.

[@gavinlisk2292]

Have to disagree about First contact. I loved it and it's a solid action thriller!

[@CleverGirlAAH]

I UNDERSTAND THE 'HATE'. But if it was *the *one action Trek movie* we c/would all forgive it.

[@SimpMcSimpy]

First Contact is on my Top 3 Star Trek movie list.

[@Leathal]

Picard turning into Captain Ahab over the Borg would have been easier to swallow if he hadn’t already come to terms with it during the TV series

[@CleverGirlAAH]

@@Leathal True enough. But there is still at least that Star Trek veneer of taking some fictional or factual theme and applying it to Star Trek. It still rings of Trek, because of that, even if it is "actionier". Compare that to Nemesis, eh?

[@doctajastrologyandmetaphysics]

@@Leathal Healing from a traumatic experience isn’t a linear thing.(Which is actually very Star Trek in of itself) He is able to heal quite a bit when he visits his family. However, as we see in ST:FC, he has buried a lot of trauma subconsciously that he to face again head on. He seems out of character but I would say, that the movie gave him more depth as a character. Showing sides to him that we’re always underneath the surface. Plus, he was basically functioning from a place of PTSD too. If Deanna had been present on the Enterprise to witness his behavior, she might have even had to relieve him of duty due to psychiatric distress.

[@obidev6611]

Thank you Drinker for bringing me this.

[@Analog_Mind47]

It's Official, they can't deny It. Our Community is now a Major relevant voice in the media review space, especially if they're giving special screenings to Dave Cullen! We've come A Long Way from being Dismissed as the Nobody Loosers yelling at the perfect "Space Wizards for Children" movie. This Is a Victory, they've begun to come Crawling To Us

[@ebenezer1690]

I am weeping right now maybe we can extend this to our news organizations and government force these people to tell the truth I believe this man i believe he is telling the truth. Hallelujah.! good or bad tell the truth.

[@gbalfour9618]

I read a story I read as a kid called Dragons Wrath where an archeologist in the future has to do a job and she get tangled up in a secret plan. It’s rather good and it’s what I think Picard should have been. Make Picard an archeology or history teacher and the whole season could be one story each episode part of that story. I recommend reading or finding the audio book version (that’s an abridged version but still good) of Dragons Wrath and tell me Picard wouldn’t have fit that

[@r0bw00d]

Bah! Ha ha ha! The concept of Picard as an archeology teacher just put the image in my head of him wearing a fedora and brandishing a whip!

[@firephasers]

Hearing you guys chat about season 3 is giving me hope. Thanks 🙏👍

[@williamlam3228]

Wow, Robert you've convinced me and hopefully other jaded and disappointed Trekkies to come back in and give this one a shot. Almost seems too good to be true. 🤞

[@dramaticwords]

Not a chance.

[@wendyb3713]

@@dramaticwords 💯

[@MKDumas1981]

"I prefer pacifism to combat." - Worph

[@projektkobra2247]

Don't DO it man!.....They dont DESERVE you!

[@williamlam3228]

@@projektkobra2247 I hear ya

[@QPLAH1]

Thank you for giving me hope for season 3.

[@joedowling5452]

I'm wary. I know what happened repeatedly to Charlie Brown when Lucy held the football.

[@garethmorgan8326]

Charlie never had the courage to kick her in the head and walk away with his dignity intact - that is something Fans can at least do.

[@maggoli67]

Watching this after waking up in the middle of the night. Am I dreaming? Is this true? Is there hope?

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

It's interesting to hear this. When Rick Berman took over from Gene Roddenberry as King Trekkie, it was only after being an apprentice to Roddenberry for several years, sharing his vision and improving it for an 80s/90s audience. Just like Kathleen Kennedy had nothing to do with the creative direction behind _Star Wars_ , JJ Abrams had no creative connection to either _Star_ franchise. I just don't get how one man can receive such a blessing and comprehensively ruin these two fantastic fantasy universes.

[@asdf51501]

Wow, this was the LAST conversation I was expecting when I clicked on this video, and I find myself extremely encouraged. If Picard can be watched from Season 3 directly and I can skip 1 and 2, then I might be very happy to check this out. Perhaps I'm just being way too optimistic here, as others in the comments bring up some great points.

[@freelancenerd4804]

Guess they learned to not let Patrick Stewart push his message and actually make a show worth watching.

[@erroneous6947]

Ya, I hope Patrick Stewart is happy. His vanity project made star trek a dumpster fire. I hope this new season resets Star Trek.

[@LN997-i8x]

Too little, too late.

[@slade52]

@@erroneous6947 It won't

[@Bidimus1]

@@LN997-i8x would give more thumbs up if I could!

[@Travixius1]

Yes season 1 was about orange man. Like everything in the last 6 years

[@Dolan_waddick23]

I’ll probably check out the first few episodes of season 3 now after what Robert said.

[@gerryheddema2555]

Congratulations for all your hard work!! Picard's premiere has done a complete reset to try to bring back fans: they are digging so deep into the Star Trek legacy that ends with Enterprise. The particular nostalgia is significant here. All the Easter eggs don't come from JJ Abrams or Discovery''s work. Thank you for your analysis and criticism of the last 2 years of Picard. I AM SO ON BOARD for a last send out for Admiral Jean Luc Picard (Retired), among friends, fighting for the future we handed over and the future we were promised in Star Trek The Next Generation. PREDICTIONS: The crazy Column of Starfleet ships in one place is a target; 7 of 9 gets 2 b a Captain, ...that's all I got so far...now go away

[@vincentsolis5149]

I love that RMB is the bridge between Critical Drinker and Campea. Seemingly polar opposites regarding the state of film.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Campea could be served a bowl of chimp diarrhea, and would swear it is chocolate fondue.

[@equivalentexchangeisalie5726]

I'm surprised to see RMB here as I thought he was more left leaning and wouldn't get along or agree with people like Drinker and Rippa. Admittedly I just started watching RMB and John Campea a few weeks ago so maybe I don't know the whole picture. What makes RMB the bridge?

[@just_delightful]

A year ago I would have agreed with you- RMB has really turned into a creep recently.

[@just_delightful]

@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 I guess because people hate Campea and like RMB, but RMB has been a douche recently too

[@KutluMizrak]

@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 you can be left leaning or even a full on leftist and still see what's wrong with modern entertainment and the cliche of "modern audiences". Leftist means you want more equality and social programs for the unfortunate. Economic policies that equate the system. What you think is left is not left in most places in the world, the extreme leftists who turn to Marxism and ultra identity politics are what i call the alt-left. Most of us are simply people with differing opinions.

[@ScottRobsco]

I am now excited! Thank you Sir.

[@Alexander84129]

The only hope paramount has of getting people to watch is to have critics like y’all put their credibility on the line and say it’s good.

[@danielvandersall6756]

Great to hear that this franchise is now in the hands of people who know the stories and characters, and respect the world Roddenberry created.

[@polarfamily6222]

I honestly thought they had canceled this show 😂

[@iainmartin9724]

Thanks Robert. Awesome ‘review’ - I’m in!!

[@merc-chef]

I feel completely "meh" about this. I've seen him shilling this season all over twitter and I'm not interested. They spat in our faces, fed us shit for over a decade, and "now" we should go back and eat it up like good little sheep? Fuck no. Even if it is halfway decent, it's way too little, way too late. Same goes for pretty much all the other franchises out there. I'm a chef, my analogy is, if a chef who hated you and fed you garbage food for a decade, insulted you every time you came into his restaurant, and spat in your food, had the best chef in the world come out and say, "finally, this is it...the best food ever" would you trust him? Of course not. This is why I don't trust RMB.

[@wendyb3713]

💯

[@kennypcolin]

My Gawd.... he sold me by hating everything I hate and the sense of relief in him that FINALLY something has landed. I will give it a go.

[@joshuaewalker]

I will be 40-years-old this year. TNG was a part of my childhood. I can't count how many times I've re-watched the series. I can't express enough my respect and admiration for the character of Jean-Luc Picard. I will never watch the series 'Picard'.

[@thomasvinelli]

Who really cares… no one

[@dramaticwords]

Good decision.

[@daddystu7046]

I'd heaviy recommend skipping seasos 1 and 2 then starting with 3. You'll love it! I'm about your age and also raised on 'proper trek'.

[@davidsvezhintsev3073]

This whole video, sitting here crying out loud "DON'T GIVE ME HOPE" 😭😭😭😭😭

[@learning2727]

I really like listening to RMB. I sincerely hope he is correct on this one. I have disagreed with his assessments in the past though. Fingers crossed :)

[@seabreezeuk4]

Yes!! All of this!

[@rbowdenscipio3408]

I wouldn't call having early access to Picard S3 as being lucky....

[@jeffonline83]

Ok, Robert sold me. I'll go into S3 with my pessimism off.

[@oldgoat142]

All IPs that we grew up with are under deliberate assault by those who do not under any circumstances give a damn about the work or canon. All they care about is cranking out garbage and shoving THE MESSAGE down our throats, then complain about it when the inevitable backlash occurs. Why the hard shove back? We who sank our hard-earned money, and our love, into shows/books/comics/merch refuse to take this lying down. We invested, literally, in these things which stirred our imagination. My desire to be a writer was first sparked by these comic books. The original creators had a PASSION to put out a good product which they backed up with their names and reputations. Now? Mountains of stinking piles of crap.

[@tupp001]

Perfect guys... just allowing Rob to talk is great interviewing\

[@WarbirdFan66]

Burnett must be kidding, after all the shit that was produced over the last decade, beginning with the new trek movies over to STD and ending with Picard season 1 & 2, after all that...even if season 3 is somewhat good, which i seriously doubt, i say its to little, to late after the amount of crap they put out....this show is dead

[@SigPuma]

To hope again: the original series, movies, and TNG inspired me as a kid to look up to the stars and dream big. I loved how Kirk and Piccard were portrayed, in different fashions, as great explorers who were respected leaders. Looking forward to seeing if Seasn 3 has fumigated the pest ridden house of Piccard.

[@hanchigo2355]

Wow! I was not expecting this. I have given up on Star Trek when everyone else did and now I have some hope. Fingers crossed.