Drinker's Chasers - Shocking News! Andor Is Pretty Good

[@rosidaze8681]

ANDOR is unique in that it's the only project in Star Wars IP history made with zero cringe from start to finish. Amazing.

[@justusbowman]

Don't tweet on your aspirations.

[@darthkek1953]

OT SW had cringe?

[@GeneraluStelaru]

@@darthkek1953

[@whatisthisnewfeaturehandle]

😂 ​@@GeneraluStelaru

[@lordtornado3321]

Drinker really showed here that he had no BIAS except for that he likes good stories. This really shows how genuine he is.

[@alaskayoung3413]

Good stories m, alcohol, and tits. A true patriot.

[@ADIDASects]

Really? Name for me the last unknown movie that the Drinker reviewed based on the merit of the story alone. Go ahead, I'll wait....

[@lordtornado3321]

@@ADIDASects Even if so, why can't this be the first one? Aside from that this is a series, but that prob ain't as important.

[@Durzo1259]

@@ADIDASects I don't understand what you mean by "unknown movie" (it has to be known in order to review it), but since literally every review is based on critiquing the storytelling, what are you talking about?

[@kuhanblock9380]

Unlike Disparu...

[@toegrit]

Mauler and Critical Drinker patiently and careful explaining to Disparu how world building, characterization and setup and payoff works is hilarity

[@Senpaiaproves]

@Joël you might pull a muscle with all that reaching.

[@themolasser9110]

​@Joël man's gonna cure cancer if he keeps going

[@jarturolopez77]

@@Senpaiaproves I fkn died lolz

[@dredddre5573]

Andor isnt stars wars bro a real star wars fan would see this. IT NOT BAD. its just not star wars.

[@themolasser9110]

@@dredddre5573 because it doesn’t have laser sword and funny floaty guys

[@mattmatt7305]

Andor has exploded to be just fucking excellent. It’s brilliantly made. It’s a great, slow burn, espionage and political thriller.

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

I don't care at this point. Disney has disappointed me, insulted me and raped my childhood memories over and over and over again, I'm not interested anymore. I won't give my money or my attention to people who went out of their way to show me that they hate me.

[@geekylove3603]

​@Ricardo666 Stfu child of victim hood.

[@welkingunther4298]

Brand loyalty is a disease. Who cares. Watch something if it's good and if it sucks, then ignore it.

[@jimberjamber8540]

@@Ricardo-cl3vs I feel your pain brother, but give Andor a shot. Just block everything Disney has done out of your head. It really is that good.

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@@jimberjamber8540 Thanks, really! But no! With the upcoming humiliation of Indiana Jones at the horizon I can honestly say I'm done with Disney. I will not give my attention, let alone my hard earned money, to people who openly hate me because I'm a white male. I would feel like an idiot if I did.

[@Abremoch]

Disparu vs the Drinker: an interesting generational clash of points of view. Disparu being impatient and wanting instant action and stormtroopers and Drinker seeing the buildup and the value of bringing these stormtroopers in a way that matters and is impactful.

[@MS-wd3ls]

I'm not sure if it's so much a generational thing as Disparu just not being able to appreciate good writing

[@Bootrosgali]

@@MS-wd3ls Just a blow in here, looking for the anti this guy Disparu comment after watching for a while. He isn't as bad as the imploding Disney Fan Channel people who don't like Andor still he is a little annoying. He listened to Drinkers great points for 3 minutes which obviously was making his mind melt a bit and as soon as Cassian being a bit uncool came he jumped on it and quietly deleted the points from his brain. Pathetic.

[@dredddre5573]

@@MS-wd3ls You sound uneducated. The point being was disney is using an IP just to sell product. If you watched the show without the star wars IP its not that great. Good writing need to go with good entertainment or i could just read a a damn book. Could disney release a product like this without the backing of popular culture IP the answer is a big NO.

[@dredddre5573]

Disparu is a true fan to the IP and understand what non-star wars fans dont. The show doesnt fell star war. Dialogue isnt star wars Music isnt star wars atmosphere isnt star wars. This is star wars only in name. The IP isnt really respected and the showrunners and director dont seem like they know star wars IP.

[@Abremoch]

@@dredddre5573 I've been a fan of Star Wars since 1981 and I am telling you this feels perfectly fine to me. And if you look at episode 7 so far it feels like a mature way of telling a Star Wars story, an improvement. But go tell that to a 20 something year old "True Fan" of Star Wars that only lives for instant gratification.

[@johnkidd1694]

Just watched last episode. Skarsgard's speech is so good. Great acting and writing.

[@vincentgalipeau6389]

You're a loser. Probably a virgin too.

[@liamphibia]

And the S1 finale, oh how *everything* this show has built up with paid off.

[@felipenunez3540]

dude, was the best of the serie, indeed.

[@clayjohanson]

Tony Gilroy is a very good writer and it looks like Disney are not interfering with him - either because they respect him or because he told them to go away and leave him alone.

[@chasehedges6775]

That’s great to hear. He’ll be able to do his own thing and tell his own story.

[@memymomalex]

Rogue One was the only good decision to come out of Disney star wars films

[@NathanCassidy721]

My guess is they forgot he was there or didn’t want to give him attention in favor of other people.

[@tyhar7493]

Don't forget there were rewrites in Rogue One as well, you can bet KK stuck her oar in there so its lucky it was still the most respectable SW after her treatment. If that is a testament to him or not I suppose we'll find out.

[@mar.prz10]

Tony Gilroy in Drinker’s voice: “That’s the script I got fer today. Go away now!!!”

[@sherazade82]

Yes, totally agree with drinker about using Star Wars tropes. If you be patient, build the world intelligently and then when a lightsaber or stormtrooper finally shows up with context and meaning, it pays off so much better than just flashing the the lightsabers around. Like how Luke showed up to save the day at the end of The Mandalorian. It's not about whether to use it or not to use it. It's about using it effectively.

[@laisphinto6372]

also why are so many people pretending that star wars doesnt work without lightsaber and dorce powers? for crying out loud the thrawn trilogy the most beloved Star Wars Material doesnt rely on lightsabers or force Powers so much. we have multiple Story lines in star wars EU that dont solely revolve around skywalkers

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Right I hate how modern shows slap in certain scenes or aspects of other projects just fo trigger people's nostalgic impulses with little regards for story...wether ANY lightsabers show up is nonessential and inconsequential...whats important is the story and if that encompasses a force user ...a being thats supposed to be hyper rare in their galaxy BTW...so be it....but really in all honesty no one should really care

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@laisphinto6372 RIGHT!!!....all foce users are suppose to be rare...and most of our favorite characters dont have force powers...I mean Han Solo and Bobba Fett did very well in the Star Wars universe with zero force powers! Not to mention various bad guys like Jabba the Hutt...its really weird to boil down all your understanding of this huge universe to just dudes with lightsabers SMH... someone has really missed some key elements of Star Wars of lightsabers is the only things theyve derived from the franchise SMH SMH

[@e.corellius4495]

@@laisphinto6372 couldn't agree more. when force powers get thrown around so often they loose meaning and impact just becoming another weapon being shot at the "bad" guys. i mean in the thrawn trilogy if i remember right only one time does the force actually get used. and it wasnt for some flashy thing, it was just leia floating a lightsaber in front of the noghri. a small simple act that would turn out to be the lynchpin for their continued survival. now that is how you make something have impact and be memorable. a subtle act that creates big ripples, not a constant flashy light show for the sake of some writer or directors vanity.

[@chileanyways196]

@@laisphinto6372 exactly

[@johncuyle3017]

One thing I like about Andor is the writers appear to understand the universe they are writing in. Cassian returns to his home planet and we know that takes some time, but less than a day. We don't know exactly how long, but plot bounds the time. When the security team comes to apprehend him it takes some time for them to get there. There is an actual scene that happens in hypserspace, where the rent-a-cops are not completely kitted up, where they gather everyone together and have a speech and then go kit up, then more time passes before they get to Andor's planet. The writers for Andor, unlike the Sequel trilogy's writers, unlike Obi-Wan's writers (Mandalorian's writers were, to their credit not bad on this score) actually remember that Star Wars takes place in a pretty massive chunk of space and that going from place to place actually takes time. Hyperdrive doesn't just teleport you to random locations (glaring at you, ROS).

[@robbhays8077]

That's why the OT worked. They didn't overuse the tropes. The tropes were important moments.

[@liamphibia]

The writer and creator of Andor is Tony Gilroy. Same guy who did Rouge One and Bourne Trilogy. Yeah we're definitely in for great time.

[@holdwhatdoor7629]

Mandalorian writers were just as bad as Obi-wan and ST. Every episode sets up a problem and resolves it in 30 minutes. Season one when Mando has his ship torn apart by a legion of Jawas only to have completely repaired it on his own and flying off-world was horrible writing. Many other examples of that quick jump to the next thing with no real logical display of time

[@nicopetri3533]

If you followed the production it wasn't that surprising. While Kenobi, 2 Seasons of Mandalorian and the book of boba fett was made, they worked on Andor. It took three years to make this and they didn't overrely on their virtual production. They actually built sets for this. It's probably the best any Star Wars series is going to produced.

[@campbellgodfrey53]

I was gutted to hear that the set of Ferrix, that was acually built as stretes and real buildings had been demolished after shooting....

[@whileriding]

The thing is that Andor makes a minor character interesting because it actually cares. Imagine what could have happened if they cared about Luke, Boba, or Obi. Btw, it's way more interesting to hear y'all talk about something decent

[@mikek9297]

I care more about the droid in Andor getting pissed on by a LizardDogPig, than I do about any of the sequel protagonists. That alone deserves a bag full of awards.

[@whileriding]

@@mikek9297 amen

[@Sjcstro84]

Solo as well.

[@whileriding]

@@Sjcstro84 lol, I had forgotten all about that one

[@Sjcstro84]

@@whileriding hes my favorite character and the movie featured my other favorite character darth maul... I kid you not I tried watching solo 4 times and I can't get passed the train snow part. I have till this day never seen the darth maul scene.

[@justlivin2499]

I think the best part of Andor is the world building and character development, the extras feel like actual people rather than NPCs with how they react to situations

[@paulw5039]

That's encouraging, because those were the exact qualities I found lacking in the latest movies. I quite liked the world building in the prequels and was sad to see them scale this element back in the sequels.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

I can’t believe people aren’t talking about how good the world building is, you literally see the background extras doing so many interesting things that it gives the world so much life and adds lots of depth to the story because it helps up get further immersed in the world.

[@bethanyh1637]

I find the world building and character development terrible. There's a lot of bloat and the show blatantly rips off other better movies, to the point that it even controls the narrative. The producers desperately wanted to copy Bladerunner, so Andor sneaks into shady brothel and ends up executing a man for no real reason... He wasn't on a mission that required stealth, but did all these extra things for the sake of the atmosphere. Andor remains the least developed character, with everyone willing to begrudgingly help him but the show never tells why... He's not helpful, hes not competent, hes not persuasive, hes not even necessarily kind... but the story needs it to happen. And then theres the lieutenant guy ... He is a clear ripoff of the Norrington character from Pirates of the Caribbean. A man driven by duty over his personal feelings or even morals. At first I thought it was only some passing similarities, but in the 3rd episode the writers tell on themselves. When the battle turns against him just stands their in shock at everything blows up around him, similar to Norrington did in the 3rd movie. A scene otherwise fairly unique to Pirates.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Amen

[@feliperisseto9113]

I like how the show focus on that city and Andor's friends. That is good worldbuilding.

[@qal-hatmi4615]

Whether you agree or not, you have to respect the drinker for being real and honest

[@joeykonyha2414]

Definitely had the minority opinion.

[@avoxprime9562]

@@joeykonyha2414 He has majority opinion for people who watched it because nobody really is.

[@theghostofpcs2391]

I actually find it more interesting when they disagree.

[@bigal3055]

This is gonna confuse the hell out of the twitter 'cancel everyone' mob.

[@thoughtsonfitness3249]

I have to respect 1977 first … that’s ground zero … and a golden period of great science fiction, books, comic books movies and TV shows.

[@CinematicSeriesGaming]

Disparu is just grasping at straws. So far Andor is excellent! Way better than every other live-action Star Wars show.

[@Sam_SH14]

I love slow burns, they create atmosphere and help set tone so I had no problem with the pace of this. I got blade runner vibes from the opening tbh. The moral ambiguity is super interesting in this show as well. Kyle Soller's character is 100% set on getting justice for the two deaths, but in doing so caused the death of many more of his men and was left looking at them burning while their killer gets away. I thought that that was a super interesting place to leave the show in episode 3. The show also starts with our protagonist killing someone to save himself, two of the most interesting things we've seen in star wars for years.

[@Tyler_W]

I got those Blade Runner vibes too! A minute into the episode and I told my friend "this scene is giving me some major Blade Runner vibes, and I'm loving it." You took the words right out of my mouth.

[@melvinloyalist6758]

Totally agree. Getting those Blade Runner, minor Tron, and 80’s sci-fi vibes all throughout and I’m absolutely loving it

[@HugoStiglitz88]

EXACTLY!! this show is fucking awesome so far. I can't believe how good it is even though I called it when I saw the trailer. It's still better than I expected

[@rkwatchauralnautsjediparty7303]

And the deaths tie perfectly into Andor’s face after he had to kill the informant in Rogue One. “Not again, I hate myself.” I love this character and Luna’s performance.

[@pjolex5896]

Good I’m not the only one who got blade runner vibes. This series also reminds me of the Thrawn novel

[@angermacfadden2702]

Good on Drinker for having his own opinion.

[@eddysandland58]

Anger MacFadden, Doesn't He Always?

[@chasehedges6775]

He’s soooo awesome

[@blessanabey8386]

Well yeah...

[@bovinejoannie9429]

The last year he's been more and more mainstream. Probably hurting his "career opportunities"

[@TheStonewall117]

@@bovinejoannie9429 how so?

[@calebdrew5684]

Andor feels like the Star Wars that captured my imagination as a kid.

[@franktower9006]

In my opinion, Andor is the best addition to the Star Wars universe since Rogue One and that movie outmachted everything since the original trilogy. Andor feels like it was intended and created for grown ups who want to to see actual character development and a more grounded, realistic version of Star Wars.

[@chileanyways196]

Now that it’s over I can confidently say Andor was a fantastic show. I hope you review the rest of the series

[@NoeticEidetics]

Coming back to this video after a month to say that Andor is still really damn good.

[@NoeticEidetics]

The season finale was disappointing and a bit cringey here and there, though.

[@callumunga5253]

@@NoeticEidetics Care to elaborate (KZbin comment-reply alert allowing)?

[@noelv1976]

I gave this show a chance after first 2 episodes, and man it was worth it. The payoff after ep 3 was probably the best thing for Star Wars since the opening scene of Mando season 1. What really impressed me was in ep 3 when that security guard shot and killed an unarmed civilian. He was genuinely upset while his team leader was visibly angry at him. So it made me appreciate what the writers were doing here. That these people are not savages like the Storm Troopers. They're real people put into horrible situations.

[@jedimasterham2]

I’m on episode 7, and it’s still terrible.

[@garth2445]

@@jedimasterham2 looks like you don't own a full functioning brain then, go watch the sequels and further dumb yourself down.

[@jedimasterham2]

​@@garth2445Garth, it's a show. Get a grip bud.

[@bradmenpes809]

I have to admit I only watched Andor because Critical Drinker said he liked it and ... yeah, I'm liking it, too. Really liking it. It's so good to see a StarWars IP using the time that a tv series gives showrunners to establish characters, settings, and a narrative arc. For the record: this is StarWars, even without the light sabres. It's the StarWars of the billions of people across the galaxy who are squashed by the elite who use light sabres.

[@pyroromancer]

i felt the immense oppression the empire represents in episodes 2 & 3. The corporate security officer will be an interesting perspective of a blindly righteous man who's just beginning to realize the pursuit of blind justice will cost lives. He's teetering on becoming obsessive villain bent on vengeance or accepting the unjust indifference his superior demonstrated.

[@johnmcternan4157]

I felt Rogue One had that oppressive feel too.

[@jonsolo32]

I appreciate the fact that the Empire is actually seen as a credible threat, instead of the Keystone Cop Stormtroopers from the Mandalorian.

[@nickmitsialis]

@@johnmcternan4157 The 'holo posters' for Bodhi Rook offering rewards and the 'Empire Is Your Friend' broadcasts in Jedha were very '1984/Big Brother Is Watching'.

[@Tyler_W]

That dude is so screwed. Not only did he completely ignore his orders to let it go, but he created a kind of mess that his superior officer told him was exactly what he wanted to avoid. The drama of this one subplot is more interesting than the entirety of the last two shows from this year combined.

[@sosayweall2509]

A mo seterous oppression that a bunch of miners could usurp lol are you kidding

[@alexkenchel]

I agree with drinker 100%! The world building is essential for me, and Andor has that. I wasn’t excited about it when it was announced. I didn’t care for Andor in Rogue One, but the pilot had me hooked by world building, writing, acting, and cinematography despite not much happening. It was refreshing.

[@robbhays8077]

Andor is actually fantastic. Excellent writing. Very good acting. No woke BS. No childishness.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

It actually is extremely woke. But it’s done in such a way where it’s not forced and feels natural. It’s perfect.

[@leonkilat7562]

lol its entire premise is about being woke and to "wake up" and fight fascism and injustice, it is all about wokeness. It is just very well told and very good script writing

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@leonkilat7562 it’s not really being woke it’s just the rest of what you said.

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

@Leon Kilat You mean like A New Hope had Luke responding to the Empire’s injustice after his aunt and uncle are murdered?

[@MM-vs2et]

It's actually VERY woke. Like Marxist levels of woke

[@hookahei8708]

you four gentlemen are a great combination. An intelligent, calm, respectful, well balanced conversation with arguments and explanations that are actually thought through. Obviously its funny and highly entertaining as well. Thank you!

[@DmytroBogdan]

A "Fandom Menace" club assembled!

[@O1OO1O1]

The sex will be great, too

[@robertyoul]

Disparu seems negative and cynicle beyond reason to me.

[@stevefrench7036]

Yeah l prefer 2-on-2 streams or less crowded ones like that, FNTs nerf the crap out of everyone's IQs! I mean many of us are guilty of doing that but l checked outta FNT a long time ago (even if the Drinker ain't there that often I think).

[@O1OO1O1]

@@robertyoul Drinker likes some lame things, though. Like Spiderman No Way Home. He also makes reviews of trailers.

[@dougsmith8104]

Not to disparage your guests, but you seem to be the only one who is wanting to actually review a show based on it's own merit rather than tear it apart just because it's Disney. I have been unfollowing many of your peers because I feel like there's money to be made in by going all in for their team. I truly appreciate you standing up and being the reasonable voice.

[@John21WoW]

Mauler and Little Platoon seemed to be on a relatively positive note as far as they go tbh but yeah, Disparu was trying really REALLY hard to find any small reason just to hate on the show just because...

[@ChristmasLore]

Hate: it's a brand, for some people... Disparu, Shad, and sadly, way too often, Garry from Nerdrotic. They just can't forget about politics and actually they instill it themselves in everything they watch.

[@w.matthewgooch3207]

I felt the same way. These guys went into this show with the “I hate it” attitude regardless of what they saw.

[@aquapendulum]

There is an implicit understanding that praising this show means you have forgiven Disney for everything. I know it's an absurd implication to make. It should go unspoken that one good show does not undo the damage of the sequels, Solo, Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan.

[@Arander92]

“There is an implicit understanding that praising this show means you have forgiven Disney for everything” You’re right, that is an absurd implication. Liking this show does not mean you’ve forgiven the sequels or BOBF

[@manofsan]

*Andor feels like it's slowing building into a spy drama - which makes sense, given the storyplot of Rogue One that happens down the road*

[@ogcipher4967]

I love Disparu's face when Drinker said "competently directed" =)))

[@Isaksson9915]

I am personally plesantly suprised by Andor. The slow burn, as you put it, is slowly building and picking up pace. The world building and character development is thoughtful and interesting and watching Andor reminds me of reading a SW book rather than some overly hyped eye candy garbage bag plot disaster.

[@richardross1166]

I agree with this, I think Andor works really well when you can binge watch as many episodes as you want at once. If they'd released 3 at once, I think it would've been more enjoyable to watch. At least now we do that!

[@ohtonedeaf3753]

I really like both Rogue 1 and Andor. I think it takes a look at what the average person in the galaxy would be dealing with. I even like the first two episodes because it took time to develop their characters and motivations.

[@Klaaism]

A bit slow though, otherwise not bad.

[@Valen-xu2wy]

Average people are moisture farmers. Is that what you want to see, cos that sounds a little dull.

[@Lionbladier]

@@Valen-xu2wy Oh hey, another Valen! Anyway, there are plenty of ways in which you can make the lives of normal citizens "interesting" in the setting. Even Moisture Farmers, such as on Tatooine, where you can incorporate something such as a Sand People raid on said moisture farm and thrust the lone survivor/escapee of said raid into a quest of revenge - as a very basic, top-of-the-head example. Just because you start out a story from the perspective of a regular joe, doesn't mean it has to be a boring story.

[@memymomalex]

Rogue One made me cry the first time i watched it, and even subsequent watches. Its my favorite of the films, so hearing the same writer was going to be doing Andor, i was excited. I do wish there was a sassy robot to lighten things up a little.

[@jurekm.5858]

I loved Rogue 1, it's in my top3 SW movies with Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith

[@RanMouri82]

Refreshing to see that these guys have an actual plot and characters to discuss. That alone gives me the impression that, so far, Andor is better than the usual schlock.

[@Daniel-bm5gf]

Looks who's in charge

[@TheOldestBoone]

I was so confused watching the first three episodes of Andor. I was sitting there going "this is... Good. Is this legal?"

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Lmfao...its so weird watching this and She Hulk together....its like the most expensive thought out delicious gourmet meal followed by a burned McDonalds cheeseburger...both projects were astounding for completely opposite reasons

[@igornewman9534]

@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu yeah she hulk is like remarkably bad

[@Tyler_W]

"I will make it legal..." Sorry, you set me up for it, I couldn't resist.

[@its_dey_mate]

@@igornewman9534 I wouldn't say its remarkably bad. It is just plain bad with extra taking off points, because most of us disliking it (most, not all) aren't the target demographic to which I have no problem with. Everyone deserves a mediocre albeit still relatable to them escapist entertainment.

[@TheOldestBoone]

@@Tyler_W I was waiting for that lol

[@JoshyMade]

The key to this is the lead actor is actually likable. I don’t know why but I like him, I liked him in Rogue One and he just seems kinda cool. This show has some swag to it. Compared to Rings of Power Lead..

[@RustyPitchforkStudio]

It's interesting to revisit this conversation as the first season is coming to a close, and has delivered some of the best lines of dialogue in all of star wara

[@craycray8098]

He really seems happy that he can enjoy Star Wars again. It's great to see him like this!

[@Leeds71]

Its because at the end of the day all we wan't is good, quality entertainment and not to be preached at in every show.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

I'm bracing for disappointment still. I just can't trust Disney and their execs these days.

[@charlesman8722]

It’s a bone. Nothing is going to change.

[@jacob4920]

@@charlesman8722 Then enjoy the bones, while continuing to hate everything else. If you choose to just blindly "hate" everything that Lucasfilm throws at you, then you're really only hurting any chance there is of things actually getting better.

[@ruslanrautiola7791]

Same

[@danielnewton2390]

I love the slow burn of the first three episodes. Kenobi tried to create the same amount of world building in a few minutes that Andor built over full episodes. I definitely think it gains a lot of credit simply for being a competent show. Also, having big, real sets as opposed to all the Volume sets is a relief.

[@deonte9014]

Yeah that was Kenobi's biggest issue. It tried to do too much in too short a time

[@frostbuilds_2248]

All the star wars show sets before this have felt so bland and cheap, this show actually has extremely detailed sets with time and thought put into them that feel like a real world

[@deonte9014]

@@frostbuilds_2248, really? They all seem pretty similar in quality to me, just a different vibe

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Same it REALLY REALLY fits the story and the slow burn IS THE POINT...is sad people aren't sharp enough to understand this and Rogue One's subtexts... both projects are basically subtlety screaming at people the same message...humble beginnings, seemingly small events, that are huge to the people living them, can be sparks that SLOWLY become this huge all engulfing flame... literally the initial slow burn IS THE POINT and done so really beautifully at this point

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@frostbuilds_2248 IKR if you watch the backgrounds and what people are doing its so awesome..the details in this show are fantastic

[@joekperry]

It's refreshing to these guys not agreeing whilst tackling a show that they are uncertain of instead of laying into. It brings the best out of them and the real critical analysis they are capable of. Good work boys

[@samoharachilds]

Totally

[@neilstinston1457]

That's a good take

[@draganblastovicz7487]

Shocked.. just watch the first 3 episodes and this feels like a Star Wars.. it was good.. well written, wel directed, wel acted, the world building is satisfying.. wtf??

[@c141charlie]

The way they brought together the flashback and current timeline in ep 3 was brilliant.

[@vtecanddohc]

Disparu complaining that the first two episodes were slow is probably the reason they released three episodes in the first place. I can understand why he thinks they should’ve jumbled the first two together but ultimately I think it works better than most recent shows.

[@WaxTheDolphin]

I tend to agree with Disparu and his reasoning on this one. I usually agree with Drinker but it happens.🤣

[@YouJGSousa]

The 3 episode could be two with proper editing. I fell asleep about 3 times trying to watch episode 1 and 2. Just because they have no time constraints like regular shows have, doesn’t mean they can ignore editing .

[@MrEguang]

I don't agree with Disparu's comment. In Andor they chose to give every extra a chance to shine and show some type of personality for their characters. Lesser shows just give us disposable one liner extras. Had Andor chosen to do that, we would be complaining about how flat every character is, etc comparing it to Rings of Power and the other Disney+ shows

[@YouJGSousa]

@@MrEguang im still complaining about how flat the characters are and so is he. Just because you “give time to shine” doesn’t mean they actually shined.

[@SwaggerLikeUz]

vtec and dohc true! If Andor didn't take its time via ep 1 - ep 2 then you get "Book of Boba Fett" laziness. Where some of the plot never got to be explained then the series detours excluding Boba Fett from His own series hehehe.

[@SirDenzington89]

Andor is clearly where all the money went. The talent behind and in front of the camera is a cut above what we’ve been seeing. It was so nice to look at all the real sets and not just say oh look it’s the volume again. The think with Disney plus is you’re just crossing your fingers that they don’t torpedo it. I think this is easily the best thing they’ve created since the mandalorian

[@whatNtarnation90]

the Mandalorian was a slightly better Boba... and Boba was laughably terrible.

[@jmiester25]

Disparu just comes across as someone who can't appreciate that more setup leads to a more visceral payoff.

[@mclmrtn]

You guys need to update your thoughts on this. Andor has come a long way since Ep 3.

[@TheTurbanator123]

They will have to alienate their audience though. Either they say its good and all the religious cult like haters freak out. Or they say its not good at all and the majority of people that know this show is good will call them out and their comment section will be filled with people that disagree. Its safer for channels that mine hate for content to not cover andor because... most people like it.

[@Foof0811]

I'm really really hoping drinker rates the show Rocking in a sea of woke-pushing and woke-phobic film critics, I have The Drinker as a lighthouse on the shore - being among the few remaining who is willing to tell it how it is, and not just push an agenda to an audience. I love andor, and I also agree with almost all the 'drinkers' vids - excited to hear if his final verdict aligns with mine

[@furiousgreg4397]

Andor is pretty good. A deliberate start giving you enough time for each character you meet to mean something when something happens, then ends on like the last chapter of the first part of a novel. Sharp, brief dialogue, and flashbacks that come in exactly when they need too, and damn, I want to find out what happens next. There's some real attention to detail as well, like how all the tech shows the gradual change between Republic and Imperial.

[@silentrob668]

the art direction is top notch. The 70 style command rooms, graphics, side burns, weirdo english mockney speakers. Slightly dim aliens was a nice touch. It was like Blakes 7 meets the star wars holiday special.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

Is that a good thing? Lol

[@terryclark9383]

Yeah this makes it feel like true sci-if! Great stuff!

[@Pintoman101]

@@Adam-sd2ow Im guessing you dont like the the original trilogy then

[@Adam-sd2ow]

@@Pintoman101 The Holiday Special and mockney accent's?

[@Pintoman101]

@@Adam-sd2ow the 70s aesthetics. Also accents would be the least of my worries when it comes to Star Wars

[@larshoneytoast3596]

I was super surprised at the actually intelligible dialogue the show has

[@piefrosty319]

Glad to hear this because I actually liked rogue one, simply because it felt so different. I always felt that the Star Wars universe is a perfect setting for almost literally any kind of storytelling. Shit that episode from the Mandalorian with the creepy spider aliens was tight. I’m all for stories not in the vibe of the general Star Wars feel we’re used to, just as long as it’s well written and actually tells a GOOD story.

[@SwaggerLikeUz]

PieFrosty exactly!

[@bighands69]

Rogue one out of the modern Star Wars movies is the best. By historical movie standards it is an average movie that is well made with good writing and good characters.

[@clinthein4496]

The fact that the four of them are actually debating it, shows the series has something worth the watch.

[@john-ec4460]

The Drinker is undefeated! Enjoyed the civilized conversation and the grown-up ability to disagree without being disagreeable! The capacity to entertain well-grounded opinions other than one's own without devolving into a tornado of emotion is almost a lost skill.

[@mala6238]

Yeah, great discussion.

[@animatedguy]

As someone who has run Star Wars RPG games and specifically focused on non-force users I can appreciate the decision to show the rest of the Star Wars universe. I think the remaining episodes will show more of how the Rebellion formed giving us more of a Star Wars feeling

[@ejaedike]

I run the old West End Games RPG campaigns, but I flip the narrative Lucas modeled, to make it more relatable. The rebels are the bad guys. In my games the "Rebellion" follows what Lucas decided to use as an allegory - after communist terrorist organizations, supposed to be 'the good-guys' and subverting expectations from his warped world-view. In my games, as is implied in the original 3 movies and later prequels, the Jedi steal kids, and the Empire have voluntary recruits from people who have to deal with the lawlessness in their local systems. The Empire are the good guys, and the rebellion are the terrorists demanding their individual self-interest without regard for anything or anyone else (Like Andor characterizes - an unlikable spy who kills the people he uses for his purposes of revolution). It becomes much more believable, fighting against space pirates, and privateers being paid by the nebulous 'rebel' cell leaders - they do not want law and order because they feed off of the chaos they sponsor and create. I use the idea like from Original Star Trek, that Rodenberry implied that he got the info from the future. But with Star Wars it was propaganda from the 'rebels' that Lucas came across and believed the unbelievable premise that the 'rebels' were the good-guys against The Empire and citizens.

[@Thaumaturge2251]

I get you man, this feels like one of the age of rebellion games or edge of the empire games I have run in the past. I was like okay the guys who are writing this show get it. :P

[@craycray8098]

Plus we'll be going to Coruscant so theres that too

[@Tyler_W]

I don't think this is as much about how the Rebellion specifically formed, although I do think it's still growing. I think this is more about how Cassian decided to join them.

[@KopperNeoman]

@Eldron Jaedike "What if Palpatine never lost sight of his goal?" That's your setting. A mirror 'verse where Sheevy remembers the whole reason he sought Plagueis in the first place, and the Jedi only hate him for using the Dark Side.

[@willmclaren65]

We have one man to thank. Tony Gilroy. Go watch his interviews on Andor. So professsional, experienced and overtly disinterested in modern day allegory.

[@speakatron5634]

This.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

Shame his cast don't do likewise

[@YouJGSousa]

Maybe that’s the problem with the drinker. Yeah he is right in the sense we don’t see “the message “ in Andor but that doesn’t make a good show. It’s terribly slow due to what seems like no editing .

[@kylekatarn5964]

@@Adam-sd2ow They're paying the Jizzya to woqistanis.

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@YouJGSousa dude he barely even brought up the message in here. He was talking about the good acting, story, parallels, sets, etc. it’s a good show

[@PACEUK22]

Feels like disparu is trying to make points simply for the sake of making them. Andor is a refreshing perspective on the Star Wars universe and the pace of the story telling is absolutely key to its identity

[@HEARTS-OF-SPACE]

With people like Disparu, I often wonder what they would actually consider good. Seems almost like he and others with similar content are trying so hard to find flaws or some way to be negative that they fail to recognize something that is actually good. I don't know...just my observation.

[@PACEUK22]

@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE I agree .

[@The_Rude_French_Canadian]

Andor is going to be boring to the fans of flashy empty Disney Star Wars… But Andor to me IS exactly what Star Wars is…a space fantasy opera grounded in a military/war background…

[@jansen4282]

I’m on episode 8. And honestly this is my favorite Star Wars since the original 3

[@genobot2842]

this is a very high-quality discussion on writing and plot mechanics. Up-and-coming show writers should be listening to this

[@abel_medaris]

I honestly loved all the shots of everyday life ferrix i think it was called. There’s a manual bell tower where a guy strikes an anvil, when people are in trouble, the whole town bangs on drums and chines to help disorient the police. People drone on in scrap yards just to get through to their next bout with drinking buddies. The empire has lower layers that deal with or ignore the humdrum events of the boonies. There’s just an unusually deep and layered world that you can believe people live in, and it reminds me of when i was a kid watching the prequels and being in awe of the different worlds and seeing the details of how it all worked with complex governments and factories for automated soldiers and planets where multiple sentient races live in begrudging co-existence.

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

That planet is Morlana. It's a shithole colony world with a native sentient crab species which is featured as extras.

[@geoffstemen3652]

People who claim the politics / culture of the prequels is too boring for kids have no clue what they’re saying.

[@TheRelease182]

Rogue One has always been one of my favorite Star Wars movies, top 3, easily. And this show, granted after three episodes, really has the foothold to be a great show. So far I'm impressed.

[@harvy68]

Themes? Parallels? Character motivations? Stellan Skarsgard? IM ALL IN. I've been checked out of Disney/Marvel since Endgame (even though No Way home was FANTASTIC) and I'm surprised by this show so far. I'll be watching.

[@traviseicher9118]

This is head and shoulders above anything Disney+ has created. There's great writing good acting and no CW drama BS. And its not boring. The set up world building and character development are on point. Not every episode is packed with action and it doesn't need to be.

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Good to see The Little Platoon back again. You guys should do a stream called 'The British Invasion.'

[@Puppy_Puppington]

I don’t think they’re all British..

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

@@Puppy_Puppington yeah I think Mauler is Welsh someone said once? Drinker is Scottish and idk about Disparu, he sounds British same as Platoon.

[@thelastmotel]

@@elizabethlevesque6978 Disparu and Platoon are English, Mauler is Welsh, and Drinker is Scots. They are all British. I wish people would stop calling English, British. Britain is composed of England, Wales, and Scotland. There are English, Welsh, and Scots, accents. There is no such thing as a British accent. A British accent is what people say, when they should be saying English accent.

[@elizabethlevesque6978]

@@thelastmotel I didn't say accent. I meant that Disparu and Platoon were English, so I guess I misspoke.

[@thelastmotel]

@@elizabethlevesque6978 You said "sounds British", so that's a reference to his accent...

[@jaughnekow]

Yes. Andor is really good. It's surprising because I wasn't expecting it to be dark and gritty, what I've been wanting.

[@volumedealer2716]

When a bunch of nothing is considered "really good."

[@jaughnekow]

@@volumedealer2716 what were you expecting? The first 3 eps were slow agreed but still told something.

[@scottf5791]

@Edohiguma dude relax l. Just be happy it’s not a repeat of Boba and Kenobi. It’s not perfect but it’s definitely a step in the right direction and the acting is good

[@jaughnekow]

@Edohiguma it seems you don't even know what you want from star Wars

[@avoxprime9562]

@@scottf5791 It's only a step in the right direction because Disney likes characters they created more than legacy characters like Boba and Kenobi.

[@cjyoung7372]

I have a feeling we will get a drinker recommends andor

[@tobot303]

Who else finished Andor and was like "Wow. This was way better than Obi-Wan Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett, and the sequel trilogy. Where was this writing and directing before?"

[@clanwaddell5628]

I love maulers take on the security officer. He's a good character

[@DannyDefeato]

Lol at Disparus face when he realised this wasn't going to be a shitting on session at the beginning. Then he realises everyone is actually giving it some praise then he's like oh yeah I did like this and that. Lol

[@SpFlash1523]

He did say he actually liked episode 3 in his review video.

[@WaxTheDolphin]

He is right though. I mean think about Wall-E. Show me any random 30 seconds of Wall-E and it's more interesting than that Andor scene with the robot. You can do slow burns and drag on world building but it takes some writing and camera skills.

[@Adam-sd2ow]

@@WaxTheDolphin That robot looks like it belongs on the set of Dark Star. 😂

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

@@Adam-sd2ow did you know it was entirely practical and voice acted in real-time on set?

[@Adam-sd2ow]

@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 I did.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I’m very happy for Diego Luna who plays Andor. Been a fan for a while now and I’m glad so far it’s not so bad.

[@chasehedges6775]

The dude is a fantastic actor.

[@ASoBiDeaTHTRaP]

I’ve only seen him in several films. Rogue One, The Terminal, and Elysium. Admittedly I don’t know much about the man, but he has a certain charm about him, and I’m also glad he’s getting a chance to reprise his role as Cassian Andor. I wanted to see more of the Rogue One crew, they all seemed like really interesting and likeable characters that just needed a little more time to develop. A series on them could’ve been great, but sadly that can’t happen. Still, Andor hinted at a tragic past in Rogue One and at least we’re getting to see that fleshed out. I just hope the creators haven’t dropped the ball post episode three 🤞

[@Valiantes_]

As a Mexican American myself I disagree

[@JustinTracey]

Disparu is so clearly out of his element here

[@hpw101]

He comes across as a bit of a dolt.

[@JustinTracey]

@hpw101 Yes, he does

[@mala6238]

Great actors, interesting plot, good writing, takes its time, Star Wars feeling ... wow, this show finally did it - it offers an exciting, engaging SW experience!

[@nevertoolate5325]

It's fine for something to take 3 minutes. Cinema is primarily a visual medium, we are supposed to see shots, framed, staged pieces. Otherwise it's all talk, flash bang, jump cuts, fights and falls. Who wants that in everything they see?

[@Dr.Ahmed.Tah81]

The reaction on Disparu face is priceless 😅

[@flavioy2f]

He was like "what? We are a bunch of bigoted haters, aren't we supposed to bash Star Wars?"

[@LEFT4LAZY]

@@flavioy2f 🤓

[@Mawhinz]

@@LEFT4LAZY - 🤓

[@oXRaptorzXo]

@@flavioy2f fr lol

[@JarmamStuff]

@@flavioy2f The irony of this post and this thread is tasty enough to warrant a Michelin star

[@HairyHands]

the first three episodes are pretty consistent with West End Games Star Wars RPG sourcebooks in terms of local militia taking care of business for the Empire. It feels like an intelligently GM'd scenario, something I would've done when I was running a campaign. Definitely a slow burner. The "feel" of it to me is like Blake's 7 (at least the impressions Blake's 7 left with me, haven't seen that show for years!) "It's not terrible" - sums it up nicely with all those words imply.

[@Valisk]

I recently rewatched B7 for the first time since I was a kid and really enjoyed it. The wonky sets and Paul Darrow's scenery chewing acting just add to the charm. Give it another go!

[@carl2ndeddd700]

B7 was fantastic and yes Paul Darrow was amazing on that show.

[@simoncattle1434]

I thought of Blakes 7 too, especially the way it brings in from the beginning the world-weary cynicism of many of the people working for / under the Empire, and the dangers created for - and by - those individuals who are idealists in support of or against such systems. The police character has real potential... but it is Disney Star Wars, so... I would really like to see Critical Drinker or one of his associates doing a review of Blakes 7. Once you get past some of the cheapish production design (not meant as a criticism; those programmes were made with a pretty low budget and the designers did what they could), the actual stories, plots and characterisation in B7 are mostly top drawer.

[@philipsheppard4815]

@@simoncattle1434 I think it's definitely a show that done right could be ripe for a remake.

[@thelastmotel]

@@Valisk Vila and Avon are such great thieves, they even steal the show from Blake.

[@danielszambelan6876]

I like how in Andor the Empire feels frightening, there is a menacing presence to the hierarchy and the influence of the Imperial Officers. A lot of the empire in the disney era feels goofy and this series makes the empire feel real, maybe how living under German occupancy might have felt during WW2.

[@Anonymous-sg5xu]

I mean the empire was loosely based off the german dictatorship so it makes sense.

[@Landoverse]

Drinker, thanks for a POSITIVE chat to prove it can be done! I love Disparu and I’m a bit disappointed you had to explain all this character stuff to him …Guess he’s an action junkie and I suppose there are loads of people like him.

[@artboymoy]

Happy to hear you enjoyed it. I do agree that the first 3 episodes are really just a longer premiere broken up into 3 episodes. The show is a spy show. Lot of chess moves. It's not a football game. I'm enjoying the hell out of it still.

[@jonathonconnell4247]

Rogue 1 is the best Star Wars film since Episodes 3-6, so if it is done in that same style, then I would be interested to give it a watch.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

as a film it has it's moment's but it ignores already established lore of WHO gave the rebel's the real Death star plan's

[@firstlast9846]

CreatorsFreedom!!! - i don’t care tbh - if Filmmakers and audiences have to delve into 200 novels and comic books just to grasp the lore then that just kills a lot of enjoyment.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

I liked Rogue 1 also, it had its holes but overall it felt much better than anything else they've done since the prequels.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

@@firstlast9846 well like you said you don't care , and that kill's the conversation 👍👍

[@actual_nonsense]

@@creatorsfreedom6734 who gave the rebel's the plan's then? If you think it was bothan's, then you 'should know that they got the plan's for the 'second Death 'Star. The fir'st 'set of Death 'Star plan's was attributed to Prince's's Leia during the rebel PowerPoint.

[@mrsickukxx1332]

Nice debate. Personally I quite liked this. In actual run time the first 2 ep were around 1hr 15 and I was actually happy that we got hardly any“laser pew pew”. Instead we had character introductions and world building. Then in the 3rd ep things start to get moving ( apparently the Empire are introduced in ep4 ) so I’m fine with the time spent establishing the universe. Good to see the “bad guys” being fleshed out. I believe this is the first show that wasn’t shot entirely on the stage and it shows in nearly every frame. Gorgeous to look at and nicely framed. Decent performances all round. I’m definitely intrigued so far.

[@theonlybigmorg]

the good news is that Andor is good the bad news is that it's taken them around 3 shows to finally make something decent

[@shan4680]

If at first, you don't succeed ... maybe you should have planned better before you started on using such a beloved franchise.

[@0ldpeps112]

@@shan4680 I mean, I’d say they succeeded with the Mandalorian and some of the animated shows before that, but MY GOD, they shat the bed with everything after that

[@oldfatbastad6053]

@@shan4680 If at first, you don't succeed, pull ya forskin over your heed 😁

[@chasehedges6775]

@@0ldpeps112 The Mandalorian really felt unique for me, personally

[@oldfatbastad6053]

@@chasehedges6775 mando wernt bad.

[@TheBerylknight]

Diego Luna is a great actor, so I'm not that surprised it's a good show. Good actors can make all the difference, especially when they are producers on the show.

[@chrisl9112]

Drinker and Little Platoon are the only ones that really tend to talk intelligently and give balanced analysis on the topic in question. Everyone else (esp Disparu) just seems to have tunnel vision on their "I must hate this movie because it was made by x company" brand.

[@chileanyways196]

Exactly

[@chileanyways196]

Exactly

[@theglanconer6463]

Still not financing a corporation who hates me and my family.

[@bloodcarver913]

Are you Jewish?

[@Сайтамен]

It's a pirate life for me

[@casualhamburger9607]

@@Сайтамен fr. has he never used the internet before?

[@skylor8541]

Andor is the best Star Wars since the original trilogy. It’s gonna be hard going back to shows like Mando (which is good for what it is but no where near Andor’s level)

[@maxmoto3956]

Andor is .....refreshing. The writing is solid, yes it's a slow burn but there's an actual plot and character development occurring and I find myself looking forward to the next episodes again.

[@cayennepeppa707]

I like that the show is not based on 'the force' and powers and light sabers. It's the rebellion in its infancy and trying to figure itself out. With this as the backdrop and THEN bringing in the super-duper Force-y stuff, I think the credibility, believability went through the roof. I think Andor MAY have saved what's left of the mess we used to think as Star Wars. We'll see. I will never doubt the ability of Disney to screw it up with agenda. Thanks, guys!

[@astolatpere11]

Like Andor. Was surprised. Binged to episode 7. Can't wait for 8. Well done Lucas Films. Drinker is right on.

[@NicholasNathaniel7]

Episode 3 actually had me at the edge of my seat and I didn’t think that was possible anymore for Stat Wars to do. At first I didn’t like the first two episodes, short of the great cinematography and great acting, but episode 3 made me say, oh those 2 episodes were worth it to make me feel anything at all during this one.

[@kael13]

Must be alright if it's sparking such a discussion.

[@jdunn501]

This was interesting to watch after 4 more episodes. This series has been great and the slow burn buildup was spot on. This has been a surprisingly great series.

[@thomasdim1878]

Andor has supreme writing and delivery. Great story, each episode vital to the story and enjoyable through and through. Think for yourselves and don't act as a biased mob guys. When something is good, it's good. It could literally not belong in the Star wars universe and it doesn't rely on that, it's just damn good on its own.

[@Foof0811]

I'm really really hoping drinker rates the show Rocking in a sea of woke-pushing and woke-phobic film critics, I have The Drinker as a lighthouse on the shore - being among the few remaining who is willing to tell it how it is, and not just push an agenda to an audience. I love andor, and I also agree with almost all the 'drinkers' vids - excited to hear if his final verdict aligns with mine on this one or not :)

[@nathangriffiths6218]

Coming off the back of the woeful Kenobi and Boba Fett, I was also pleasantly surprised by Andor. Yes, there is a lot of fluffing about in the first couple of episodes and it only really gets going in ep3, but hopefully that's a sign that the show writers have the confidence to take their time with the story and develop more rounded characters. Certainly a few issues but, much like Rogue One was superior to the other recent SW films, this is better than pretty much every SW related TV show that's come out recently.

[@013wolfwarrior]

I always wanted to see some good aspects of the empire even goodguys in their ranks, Im glad to hear we get some of that here.

[@mindandbody7971]

I watched the first episode and during it I was like, "FINALLY! It's only took 1,000's of hours of film to get here, but FINALLY!" I enjoyed it and the reason why can be found in the credits. This crew funded it themselves. Came off like that Alien Anthology films indie crews did. It feels like Disney didn't have "oversight" on this at all. Looking forward to watching the next two episodes this weekend.

[@rfp313]

I've seen Andor 3 times through now. What I disagree with with Disparu is his criticism of the first 2 episodes. Those episodes lay the foundation for the rest of the series. We are introduced to all those characters and they aren't just nameless faces when we get to the climax of the show. The first 2 episodes have tons of things in them.

[@wallrider76]

Disparu revealing his immaturity, it's all as blatant as it is hilarious

[@oweng7987]

Considering that absolutely relentless pile of consistently sht content coming out of Disney I was really surprised with Andor, it actually is quite good. Well written, well acted, well worked in links to canon, practically no woke shoehorning.

[@TheTurbanator123]

Disparu is trying too hard to mine hate lol. I think its fair to say Andor isn't doing anything new. But it is doing what it wants to well.

[@z3r0_35]

Still not giving Disney any cash for this.

[@kiwidogo5316]

Andors the best Star Wars series that’s been out for a long time. Bobba and obi where sadly shit. I did like the mandalorian a lot but andor feels like it’s in its own little league of its own

[@yorkie9905]

Wow, Disparu getting owned pretty much all the way through this. Didn’t expect that.