Drinker's Chasers - Wicked Is Actually Good?

[@upStomp]

The reason the prequels have aged well is exactly because of the sequels and what they represent. The prequels, for all their faults, still had a love for the universe and its fans. And I'd argue that the overall story was great - it was the script, direction, and casting that dragged it down. The sequels hated and misunderstood Star Wars entirely, treating it like an executive's pet project, destroying the universe - possibly irreparably.

[@defeqel6537]

How many stories and games were inspired by the prequels vs the sequels? The prequels for all their faults, added something meaningful to the universe, which others were able to grasp and expand upon, but the sequels utterly failed in that

[@freedomisslavery6840]

The prequels have not aged well. Phantom Menace and particularly Attack of The Clones are absolutely unwatchable.

[@Rootiga]

@@freedomisslavery6840 cry some more, prequels are the best

[@thefairybug40]

I would argue that direction was the main flaw, though scripting could've used some work for sure. But the casting was a hundred percent gold -- it's not their fault that the most wooden take for any given line is the one that made the final cut.

[@snowman22ism]

@@Rootiga The prequels are definitely not the best but they are far superior to the sequels. Phantom Menace is actually my favorite of the 3. Not a huge fan of Attack of the Clones as a whole but it does have some really great moments.

[@circelarue5954]

I appreciate that Chris gave an honest review. He didn't dunk on the film just to tell people what they want to hear.

[@omanjackson17]

It is actually a good movie. They actually treat the license well. It makes me interested in part 2.

[@CrispBaker]

It just makes the unforced marketing error that much more baffling. She absolutely did not need to say any of that, she could have waited and everyone would have loved it and loved her! Channel your inner Mario Party Luigi and win by doing nothing!

[@800Ms-k6n]

It was a great movie, just give it a chance instead of hating for the sake of "woke" nonsense stuff

[@PurplePotato-gr5jk]

​@@800Ms-k6nWe know it could be good, the problem was the negress that had to bitch about people editing the posters, we don't want to give her money. I myself might pirate it if I hear it isn't a chick-flick.

[@nikibronson133]

He most definitely did…saying all the gay stuff when the play has those same things

[@theglanconer6463]

Stop giving money to people who hate you. Truly how difficult can it be ?

[@WingedHussarJG]

Yup.

[@lJ0blixen]

Exactly, they spewed how much they loath us

[@upStomp]

Ask any taxpayer. 😉

[@lJ0blixen]

@ I’ve done the same with hockey, they went pride nights, I went “no way”

[@lJ0blixen]

@ difference is, taxes produce good things, to a certain point. Monkeys that are supposed to dance and not spew, not so much, buhbye adult pretenders

[@GIBBO4182]

It’s hardly a shock that some people like it, it’s been a massively successful play for years!

[@waiken3727]

especially if you stay true the source material and execute it well into the movie females will love it

[@billienews]

This.

[@iseptimus]

You can call them women you know? Females hahahaha. Obviously never talked let alone touches a women. Females... sigh.

[@marconicliche9377]

Stage success doesn't always translate to screen success.

[@800Ms-k6n]

It would make yourself look stupid if you even try to underestimate the movie. Wicked has always been going to be successful from the start 😅

[@kmdreacts]

Man, Chris Gore brought a tear to my eye mentioning movies on TV once a year back in the day, and the whole family sit to watch and quickly bustle about during 5min ads 😢 Little Rascals, Ben-Hur, Jason & The Argonauts, Batman Returns, Nightmare on Elm Street, Alien, Honey I Blew Up The Kid etc... Good ol' times that cable and streaming and smartphones have destroyed and separated us.

[@vivian9187]

Yep, we've lost the magic of anticipation. And a pack of rabid, starving wild dogs couldn't drag me into a cinema to watch that movie. Still haven't recovered from the coma of boredom I collapsed into whilst watching the play, and that was a year ago😂

[@kmdreacts]

@@vivian9187 😂😂 the way you described your coma got me crying lol.. That's how I felt watching BatmanvsSuperman in cinema. 1st movie EVER to put me to sleep. Good thing I've never seen the play.. The original movie was enough for me, and even then, it wasn't That awesome but it was adequate enough to bring the family together on the sofa and floor around the TV.

[@InvitalPulse]

I lost interest in it because of how insufferable the lady playing the Wicked Witch is.

[@Ferdinand208]

Yep, green witch killed all interest. What a hateful woman.

[@julianne_warren]

That certainly didn't help. But, considering how much is this film earning at the cinemas, it seems it didn't bother too many people as much. I don't care about Oz or Wicked so I wasn't going to watch it either way, just here for a sped up discussion panel giving their thoughts as usual.

[@mistyeclipsesone5629]

For me it was Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater's affair.

[@SatanLiterally]

Kids are saving it. Apparently it's a hit with kids and parents love an onscreen babysitter.

[@snowman22ism]

I'm trying not to fall into that trap. When Will Smith did the slap, I thought, fuck him, I am not watching anymore Will Smith movies.. but, that's dumb, they aren't Will Smith movies, they are movies with Will Smith. A lot of other people worked hard on these things so I am trying to separate their agendas and politics and selfishness aside and I'm willing to give the movie as an entity on it's own the chance the rest of them deserve.

[@wreckingrow6566]

"It's not overt..." It sounds overt.

[@dw1419]

Yeah even the original play from 2005 has obvious political overtones comparing the wizard and George W. Bush with digs about about regime change, his press secretary putting out propaganda and “if you’re not with us you’re with the terrorists.”

[@_SimpleJack_]

My wife and daughter who adore the play have refused to go see the movie after the pathetic antics of its "star".

[@lJ0blixen]

Smart ladies

[@waiken3727]

that's your loss I guess because the movie is a masterpiece

[@lonewolf9578]

@@waiken3727X

[@LD_92]

@@waiken3727 It is not a masterpiece

[@racheljames7]

Good on them.

[@chasehedges6775]

I’ll probably watch the 1939 original and Return to Oz

[@nrsrymj]

Beware the Wheelers!

[@Clambamthankyoumam]

Good call! They’re both worthwhile watching for sure.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@nrsrymj Oh no… not the wheelers!

[@kevinjackman4026]

Return to Oz is nightmare fuel!

[@archstanton9073]

@@kevinjackman4026 Delicious delicious nightmare fuel. It's also the movie set where George Lucas met Rick McCallum.

[@Jaymalkin980]

Gore has had some wild takes.

[@temite80]

More like bad takes.

[@paulysmallz8095]

Because he is gheyyyyyyyy

[@Astroman10]

He explained himself pretty thoroughly and his take wouldn’t be considered wild or bad if it wasn’t for that actress being dumb and self centered. It’s a film like Barbie, made to appeal to a particular audience. An audience that was always gay adjacent; which was never a bad thing nor should it be since it’s not changing or replacing anything from the play. This isn’t a “Spider-Man is gay now” kind of thing, it was always gay! He’s a movie reviewer first and a member of the culture wars second! Just like Mauler.

[@Marveryn]

@@Astroman10 it is a movie targetting the correct audience and shadaveristy also like. So i would not be surprise it would do well

[@Jaymalkin980]

@Astroman10 I respect his takes mostly but he still liked She-Hulk and will take him with a pinch of salt until I have a handful of reviews to go by.

[@kaiju115]

Even if critics and the general audience say it’s good, I still wouldn’t bother to watch it, largely because it’s not for me, but also because of lead actress throwing a Shit Fit claiming she’s offended by a fans redesign of the movie poster.

[@RealMadridFan-cr5jf]

I watched it and it was a great movie despite not liking musicals.

[@sexistspaghettios]

​@@RealMadridFan-cr5jf X

[@dudeonyoutube]

🤗 The friends of Dorothy are.

[@kingmonde]

She actually apologised for that. She said she wished she never made that post, that she a human moment and wished she could take it back. She said she wished she talked to a friend before responding online.

[@kaiju115]

@ You know, you’re absolutely right, I don’t care if she actually did “apologize”, because like nearly everyone else in Hollywood, she’s nothing more than a narcissistic fairy who doesn’t know her asshole from her ear hole.

[@lukesmith4698]

It doesn’t matter if the movie is good or not since the 2 main leads refused to keep their mouths shut and wanted to alienate the audience.

[@samhiltz1107]

They aren't alienating their audience AT ALL. They're alienating me - and I was never going to see this movie anyway.

[@regiman222]

Wait, both? I knew the witch had been saying shit, but what was Ariana saying?

[@makeitsonumberone1358]

​@@regiman222 stealing other peoples husbands

[@regiman222]

@makeitsonumberone1358 that is a good reason, I just didn't care enough about either actress to know about that until now. Thanks.

[@HalbdaemonKite]

They didn't really, because the target audience are -idiotic bints that agree with all of that stupid stuff- women.

[@Mr.Stricken]

Chris, is there someone holding a gun at you off screen? Blink twice for “yes.”

[@blankadams3120]

I was just noticing that his reviews all seem to sound the same over several channels... you would think he might... you know? Change it up a bit as his thoughts come and go? Admittedly, Wicked has only been out for a couple days, so, not much time to change his thoughts, but it sounds very... scripted, like he has to hit 'these talking points'...

[@kevinjackman4026]

@@blankadams3120 Gary does a lot of the same.

[@kevinjackman4026]

I don't necessarily think it's scripted though.

[@Gman1991]

Lol 😂

[@Blindstoic]

“No, no.”

[@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas]

I cant wait until people stop talking about this movie.

[@waiken3727]

females will keep talking about it because the movie is so good

[@waiken3727]

after seeing it I can confirm wicked is so much better than barbie I'd give it 9.5/10

[@thisismyname3928]

@@waiken3727 ❌❌❌

[@waiken3727]

@@thisismyname3928 trust me you can't hate the movie because it's well made even if you don't enjoy it hardly could find any flaws to hate on the movie

[@TakabIghe]

It’s about to make over 100 million it’s opening weekend so people will be talking about it awhile baby

[@TheGeronimojack]

Chris saying this is a gay superbowl was all it took for me. I will NOT watch this film.

[@TheSchaef47]

... Wait, it's two and a half hours long and the end AT THE INTERMISSION?!?

[@Daniel145D]

The movie is the story of the first act of the play , And it’s a really good story for a part 1 , ending at a good place leaving you wanting you to see the sequel . I had never seen the play before But I thought it was really good (I also like certain musical movies tho like Les Mis and Hamilton so you definitely have to like musicals)

[@dadocta5168]

One more month until Sonic 3 One more month until Sonic 3 One more month until Sonic 3 One more month until Sonic 3 One more month until Sonic 3 One more month until Sonic 3 One more month until Sonic 3

[@chasehedges6775]

Sonic 3 looks fantastic

[@brando3342]

@@chasehedges6775 Does it? They started going down the “woke” road with the second one. That whole wedding thing was cringe. I hope 3 reigns it back in.

[@SolarDragon007]

If Shadow dual wields pistols, rides a motorcycle and says "damn" every 5 minutes it will be kino.

[@dragondaveltd1992]

One More Month Until Sonic 3!

[@primesonic4459]

​@brando3342 idk about it being woke but everyone definitely agrees the wedding was cringe and it seems Sonic 3 is focusing on the Sonic and Shadow story

[@SuperGoose42]

Idk man, didn't Chris Gore also think The Flash was good? His track record ain't too good

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

He did, plus he had a meltdown on one of the Open Bar episodes He yelled at @BlueCollarLoser cause he made a silly joke about Gore not being a gamer & Chris told him to F off. I can’t trust that dude’s reviews anymore

[@paulysmallz8095]

He is gheyyyyyyy

[@Opener73-r3s]

He also liked She-Hulk

[@TheLoos3Goos33]

He also liked TLJ...

[@YetiRC]

He always recommends bad movies

[@chance_ondriezek99]

Seeing Beau from the Lotus Eaters was a surprise to be sure… but a welcome one.

[@ssen3666]

he has been on a few times before

[@kingcosworth2643]

He pops in time to time

[@ab-gail]

Didn’t notice him at first!

[@thefairybug40]

The antics of the lead actress aside, I refuse to watch it just because it is horrifyingly miscast for almost every major role. Madame Morrible is supposed to be a masculine-androgynous woman, super tall and with a contralto voice, but they cast a tiny Asian lady in her part. Elphaba is supposed to be tall, slender, and sharp-featured, while the girl they cast in the role is average-sized and soft-featured (and also noodles way too much when singing, but that's just a personal preference). Nessa is supposed to be white as part of a commentary on racism, but instead they made her black and erased the entire bigoted reason she's disabled in order to justify their ridiculous miscasting of Elphie. Fiyero is supposed to be Indian (not black, thank you to one commenter for pointing it out to me), and they whitewashed him to once again justify the casting they chose for Elphie while still maintaining Elphie and Fiyero as a mixed-race pairing. The only one who seems to be proving me wrong is Ariana Grande, who I didn't think would be able to pull of Glinda, but seems passable in the role. The whole thing is a disaster.

[@howardmurphy8019]

I didn't know there was so many racial aspects to the story. And I saw the stageplay once.

[@caylya7869]

Can you send a link to this information

[@thefairybug40]

@@caylya7869 It's in the book. I don't know if I can do more than that. There's been so many crackdowns on PDF hosting sites that I don't know if I could find one to link to you, and KZbin deletes comments with links in them anyway.

[@HalbdaemonKite]

I doubt they cast a white man for Fiyero to keep the mixed race pairing. It's more likely that the writers/casting agents didn't read the book and only saw the stage play, where he's almost always played by a white dude. I doubt they would have passed an opportunity to have a another black character that the evul mean wacists couldn't complain about, because it's canon.

[@katrose5179]

Fiyero is meant to be South Asian, not black.

[@atrifle8364]

As a part of a family, there's no way I'd agree to watch this movie. OG Wizard of Oz, yes, this no.

[@racheljames7]

Absolutely same here. The OG wiz of oz is a classic good vs evil story. Wicked is putrid satanic rubbish blurring the lines between good and evil.

[@BillOhio73]

@@racheljames7Satanic? LOL

[@ericvaldovinos278]

Honestly if anything go watch the stage production, that is the best way of seeing it, seen it twice on stage and would happily go see it a 3rd time

[@katrose5179]

@@racheljames7it’s not in any way satanic but go off.

[@kingcosworth2643]

@@katrose5179 I'm not religious but Wicked certainly is trying to make the evil character the sympathetic character.

[@nyarlat2609]

I love chris's critiques, but it would be foolish to support wicked after the meltdown the actress had. We need to remind these actors of the good old days when they didn't start trouble all the time; even if it's a decent movie, it's marred by controversy, and the actress needs to pay a price for her hubris.

[@gregg6398]

Women need to stop talking and listen much more often.

[@ashevilleon2wheels]

Sheer...friggin'...Hubris!

[@snowman22ism]

Why do people get so caught up in cancelling people? The same people who hate cancel culture are doing the same thing to the people who started the trend. You don't fight fire with fire. You want to seem better but then do the same things you hate about them.. I imagine there was hundreds of people who worked on this movie.. HUNDREDS, yet because one chick said something we didn't like we are going to boycott the movie? That isn't how life is supposed to work.. I think she was out of line with her comments too, but she isn't the only one who worked to make the movie. Love it or hate it, not seeing it because she is a whiney snowflake seems just as petty as the whiney snowflake.

[@Vipppala]

I bet you also moan about cancel culture if the roles are reversed and it involves someone you like

[@georgeykitheka]

Cancel culture ftw 😢

[@heartysquid]

I don't care how good it might be... A. It continuing the "Updated for modern audiences trend...get fuckt B. Its further story shenanigans and i don't trust them to not try the Cruella treatment. C. A certain person's twitter-based freakout over the face tells me I dont want anything to do with her. I'm tired of being burned, spit on and hated. They've used up my "willing to give something a chance" budget.

[@eh4907]

good youre not wanted - you have nothing to offer society and you dont deserve to partake in it anyway

[@Greg-wq4dj]

Like the majority of US voters aka ‘the silent majority’ I am all-gayed-out. Turn off the bullhorns and STFU. We are done.

[@AAmothan]

Elphaba and Glinda are in love with a man

[@dukeofgotham4311]

Straight people cover 80% of the world and you’re still complaining about gay people, but trust me I feel the same way whenever I see a straight couple kiss in moves and tv im obviously joking but that’s really how stupid it sounds to me.

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

​@@AAmothan THAT was a miracle!!!

[@00KiryuZero00]

thb I wasn't going to see it anyway because I hate musical movies, but Chris is not selling it very well either

[@gregg6398]

Its gay and woman centric told me all I needed to know lol. More dumpster fodder

[@kingcosworth2643]

Some of the best movies are musicals, Blues Brothers, Team America, South Park the movie. Don't write it off because of that, you should write it off because it's just yet another woke piece of ideology.

[@DS94everXev]

​@@kingcosworth2643 Little Shop of Horrors brought us Ellen Greene and that large bouncy uhhh...voice of hers. Wicked isn't doing that.

[@codered1132]

Musicals aren’t really my go-to but even I’ll admit that there are some bangers out there. Joker 2 sure as hell ain’t one of em that’s for sure 😂

[@abehambino]

This is like patient zero for the subversion of expectations and rewriting history. The one that started it all

[@ReidMontgomery95]

But back then it was new and interesting

[@aulvinduergard9952]

@@ReidMontgomery95 Yes, but like with everything, Hollywood doesn't know how to do it right or when to stop, so they just put that shit in everything and did it until everything was dead.

[@archstanton9073]

@@ReidMontgomery95 No it wasn't.

[@ReidMontgomery95]

@@archstanton9073 critically acclaimed and long-running play before the age of the turbo woke. Your mind might be too muddled with modern politics.

[@racheljames7]

I agree.

[@archstanton9073]

Wicked is an insult to Baum's original books (and the 1930's classic movie as well).

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

Come off it please. Hating on it is silly It's not that bad.

[@archstanton9073]

@@BlackWingedSeraphX It is that bad. I read the book back when it came out and it was awful. I haven't seen the play or movie because why would I want to.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

@@archstanton9073 No. You are closed minded and stuck in your ways. That and upvoting your posts with Sock Puppet accounts is peak cringe.

[@archstanton9073]

@@BlackWingedSeraphX The hell are you talking about. I'm old (considering I read Wicked when it first came out). I have neither the time nor the inclination to create Sock Puppet accounts.

[@Nico78Not]

@@BlackWingedSeraphX Says the close minded person refusing to acknowledge the existence of a diverging opinion.

[@SourRobo8364]

This is the same guy who gave a positive review of The Flash. I don't trust Chris.

[@sexistspaghettios]

You don't trust the guy that like SheHulk?!?!?!? Smart man!

[@dwalinfundinson]

But I enjoyed The Flash...

[@rickiesix1888]

It's just a shame that social media causes actors to ruin the character image and irreparably break the fourth wall, therefore destroying any suspension of disbelief. The real world and fantasy are not supposed to overlap this much. Bad faith social gimmicks will ABSOLUTELY ruin media. People are sick of it. Wicked was screwed the instant that goofy broad fired up her Twitter.

[@1977Yakko]

Is it good? I don't care. I'm tired of these contrived narratives of the villain being a misunderstood victim. Enough.

[@vivian9187]

For sure, unless it's the film The Producers with Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder. I still laugh every time I see that movie😂

[@chaosgyro]

Wicked basically did it first. It doesn't mean you have to given it a pass, but it does mean that rather than being a trend chaser it was the original trend setter. Also, it's not that the villain is a victim, but that the villain wasn't born that way, yet chose poorly when confronted with obstacles.

[@seanmalloy0528]

​@@chaosgyroit just means you're seeing the original

[@scubasteve2189]

To be fair, the original book and the stage musical are both 10+ years old, and one of the first and best to do the villain thing, and did it really well. Then it became a big trope later. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@shadysorkin9214]

This was written well before that trend from disney started.

[@Autobotmatt428]

I am not an Ariana Granda fan so I'll pass

[@waiken3727]

who cares as long as the movie is good that's all that matters

[@stormcutter59]

​@@waiken3727All that matters? What about integrity? Self respect? We are in the middle of a war being waged against us and you'd rather give into it for a little bit of entertainment? You're weak man. I don't need their slop to enjoy my life and I'm not gonna watch them mock me on screen and get away with it by continuing to support them.

[@waiken3727]

@@stormcutter59 well you're a petty man then just enjoy the movie

[@waiken3727]

@@stormcutter59 who mocks you? the green actor? just because one actor attacking the fans doesn't mean they all do not everyone is perfect

[@stormcutter59]

@@waiken3727 Petty? These actors live under the same rainbow. All the racist dogma they think about their audience, the dumb gaslighting and self righteous deprication they engage in to their own fans is all the same. After a while you get tired of watching them. Go ahead mate, sniff their own farts. Give them money and praise their miserable a$$es. Yeah, don't be petty like me, be a neurotic addict to your own entertainment, and let the pretty lights get you through your day. Let it fill that vacant hole in your heart where your self respect would usually occupy. It's your problem, not mine bro

[@Retrofun69]

Even if itnwas a masterpiece I cant support the people that openly hate me. I dont hate them back, I just feel indifference, and on principle, I cant support them.

[@snowman22ism]

That's like going to a restaurant with really great food but you had a bad server once so you never go back... Doesn't matter that the kitchen staff exceeded your expectations by providing you a great meal. The server had a bad day and wasn't polite so you go home and write a bad review and never go back, punishing every other person there because of one person not living up to expectation.. That is a flaw in your humanity... But hey... who am I? I guess we all get to be as petty and close minded as we want to be.

[@eh4907]

maybe you deserve to be hated

[@datpixiegirl1920]

​@@snowman22ismI think it's a low blow to call that a flaw in someone's humanity - wanting to avoid a repetition of a negative experience. It's what we're all, as humans, naturally inclined to do.

[@narsheguard6417]

​​@@snowman22ism No, it's more like the owner and the staff directly telling you they think you're an idiot. This isn't just a "bad day," and not just a single staff member attacking you. This is an entire industry directly insulting you non stop.

[@the_absurd_hero]

​@@snowman22ism With prices these days, every member of staff at a restaurant--from the host to the depths of the kitchen--needs to be excellent to secure return business. If someone's having a bad day, they need to plaster on a fake smile, treat each customer like a VIP, and have their meltdown at home, like an adult 😂

[@Biggles747]

not that anyone cares. that sign originally meant unisex bathroom.

[@markobibin4560]

I care, very cool info :D

[@justinrodriguez5957]

Huh TIL. Never encountered those, normally it was just the male and female figure together to indicate that.

[@russ254]

no it didn’t

[@bbtank3000]

Didn't Chris Gore also loved Avatar: The Way of Water?

[@Gojeto346]

and Wonder Woman 84 and The Flash and abunch of other shitty things that he still shills for because the only thing he has in his pathetic life is the ability to say he has Hollywood connections

[@waiken3727]

what's wrong with avatar that movie made 2.3 billion people loved it you're in the minority that hate it chris gore is representing the general audiences unlike you

[@owenkendall3444]

“Popular = good”

[@LastSunrise1981]

Avatar: Way of Water was good though. Flash for all of Ezra's antics had no business being entertaining and watchable. Of course, Michael Keaton and Sasha Callie broke their backs carrying the film.

[@kingcosworth2643]

@@waiken3727 Massive marketing campaigns do not mean a movie is good, Shawshank Redemption bombed at the theatres yet it's regarded as one of the best movies made. Box office returns mean nothing in relation to the quality of a movie. I didn't bother seeing the second Avatar, the first one was the most cliched, ideological and stereotyped movie I have ever seen, I couldn't bare the thought of seeing the second one.

[@johngavin3180]

I agree with Beau on this, hard pass for me.

[@hulkfan97]

It was hard pass for me when John M. Chu was attached to direct. He hasnt directed one movie I enjoyed. And they race swap the Witch (I know green skin in shouldnt matter) but if shes in green skim why race swap her? Every other noteworthy actress that has played the role was a white woman. Why change that?

[@RazorF157]

I don't know why, but, every time Chris says something is gay but its for the whole family leads me to believe that something like that isn't for children...? I know what he's trying to say, its just the way he's saying it that I'm like "Hold up! Wait a minute!" 😂

[@joe42m13]

It's got big dance numbers, with elaborate costumes and makeup. Was quite impressive actually

[@kingcosworth2643]

I guess it depends on the brand of 'gay'. Choreography, dancing, singing etc, perfectly fine for the family, entertaining in fact, fisting strange men in the back alley for a fiver, not so family orientated.

[@RazorF157]

@@kingcosworth2643 Well I don't what that last part has to do specifically with musicals, but, OK... 😝

[@TheGamingAngel18]

The play is overrated. Do not care for it. Do not care for this movie. Zero interest. I’ll read the Wizard of Oz book series instead, thanks

[@Promance230]

Words cannot express how bad Gore's takes consistently are. If he didn't have Hollywood access I really think he wouldn't be in this sphere.

[@AppleInk]

I thought I was the only one...

[@Monke12268]

Yeah, it’s kind of ridiculous

[@jayw3512]

What are you talking about??? He has friends in Hollywood circle and has called them out before. Chris also hasn’t been invited to D23 stuff because he’s ripped on Marvel Disney stuff. Chris Gore’s takes are not bad.

[@AppleInk]

@jayw3512 'His takes aren't bad' Ok, case closed guys.

[@sexistspaghettios]

​@@jayw3512 "I liked shehulk" is a very bad take! Remind me again of his takes on the flash?!

[@meddlingmage23]

I was saying, the actress w the bull nose ring would be the only thing that could ef up such an easy home run.

[@judakimberly6551]

If you’re a fan of the musical, you’re probably gonna like it. It’s very faithful to the source material. If you hated the musical, skip it.

[@kerravon4159]

Everything Chris said was 'refreshing' sounded absolutely abhorrent to me. Hard pass.

[@brandong298]

Like he said it’s for women and gays.

[@jurgenlomax9693]

@@brandong298 In other words, its doomed to flop like all the other ones.

[@HardcandyofJustice]

Sometimes I really enjoy living in a country where movies like this don’t even make it into the cinema…

[@kjp4250]

A country with no freedom of expression. Sounds great.

[@attackfox]

I thought the half-skirt was there just for the dance choreography, but I could totally be wrong.

[@jasongrundy1717]

It's a musical, it's like saying a torture session is good.

[@Whitespliff]

Same, any musical or tv episode where they sing for no reason is an automatic pass for me.

[@kingcosworth2643]

Blues Brothers, Team America, South Park, all musicals

[@chrishill9197]

Considering it has Arianna Grenade in it, that makes it twice the torture session.

[@dirtpeanut1820]

you best not be talking shit about Little Shop of Horrors.

[@astormofwrenches5555]

Chris with another nonsensical take

[@stevejones799]

I think Drinker agrees but is too polite to say it there-that’s why he has us! 😂

[@airyboo6443]

Chris Gore is a fence riding shill. The guys want to think he's cool, but he is just a plant. I skip any show that has him on it.

[@snowman22ism]

It's not just Chris.. Quite a few "KZbin" reviewers have said it's actually pretty good. To each their own of course but it's not like he is the only one. I guess it depends on how you go into seeing a movie.. I didn't hate Rise of Skywalker the first time I saw it.. It retconned so much of The Last Jedi that I sat there cheering every time he shit on Rian Johnsons movie... Then I thought about what I just saw afterwards and realized just how bad a movie it really was... Like terrible. If you go into thinking you are going to hate it, you are only gonna find reasons to justify your opinion. That is what society does now... You see it in politics... No one can listen to the other side.. It's my way or the highway. There is almost no open mindedness anymore. You yell and scream at the woke agenda but you have your own as well... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

[@2012sonora]

I'm sure it's a good product for people who like this kind of shit. Because this story organically pushes the message they want to send to us; good is evil, evil is good, and we're all bad person

[@Tony-e4b1p]

At my screening of Wicked several families walked out haha.

[@danielq7620]

Doubtful

[@Tony-e4b1p]

@ didn’t know you were there as well

[@chrishill9197]

Hilarious but probably true! 😂

[@nedmode9412]

me when i lie

[@chrishill9197]

@@nedmode9412 The worst possible defense of this garbage.

[@NinjaMan47]

I think the movie's a good example of how terrible marketing and an inability for celebrities to keep their mouths shut can sink a project. Well they considered it's a decent movie. I enjoyed it. I'd have enjoyed it more if I didn't know about all the drama.

[@fewwiggle]

"can sink a project" "I enjoyed it" Huh?

[@NinjaMan47]

@fewwiggle They screwed up right out the gate and I was tempted to not even bother with it. That's what I meant when I said it could sink an otherwise decent enough movie.

[@fewwiggle]

@@NinjaMan47 Well, the returns so far seem to say it will be a financially successful movie.

[@NinjaMan47]

Exactly. That is the point I'm trying to make, that all of the marketing woes with the dolls and celebrity drama about the movie poster were not indicative of another disaster-piece coming down the pipe. If people went into the movie theater expecting garbage and got garbage, you could guarantee word-of-mouth would have lit up fast.

[@the_absurd_hero]

​@@fewwiggle A project can be enjoyed by an individual and hated by a group. All at the same time! 😱

[@azamatfleming5427]

Having seen it, there are two large flaws in the movie. The first is the singing which hides how bad it is by heavy use of autotune. There are quick moments where Elephba’s actress doesn’t have it, and she sounds bad. As for Arianna Grande, she can sing but in my eyes, she does get a bit too pitchy, and does not enunciate sometimes or sings too fast, blurring the lyrics. All the other singers are not trained properly at all, and you can tell that autotune was used to make them sound much better. The other major flaw is how old everyone looks. Elephba’s actress is 37, Fiyero is 38, and Arianna Grande’s current look makes her look ten years older in my eyes. The only one who really looks young enough for the correct casting is NessaRose’s actress. And a personal gripe of mine is having too many shots of those annoying SNL actors on screen. They add nothing to the movie imo

[@chrisdidios9963]

Never give money to people that hate you, good Lord, it's commonsense!

[@FeistyClown1229]

I don't give a shit. I hate musicals and have 0 interest in seeing this. Also I'm sick of this re-categorizing of female villains as just misunderstood outcasts villainized and mistreated by men.

[@joer626]

Calm down it’s just a film

[@ihvojd]

Wicked did it before the trend of it and does it 100% better. And if you don’t like musicals, why are you ranting about it.

[@Suspended4thYT]

Hmmmm ... it's not like Wicked was jumping on the bandwagom. The book it was based on was written in 1995

[@Opener73-r3s]

​@joer626 no it isn't. It is pr0paganda

[@TheSchaef47]

You should try the book. Elphaba is a straight up domestic terrorist and she's still the hero.

[@Ciborium]

Oh, man which is worse? Watching "Wicked" or going to jail? It all depends if you like Thai food.

[@kingcosworth2643]

IKR, what on earth was he talking about.

[@thehouseofoverthinking]

Thanks guys for a reasonable and balanced review!! I was deeply impressed by Wicked. I didnt want this film because I thought they would ruin it. I'm really happy to say it's crowdpleasingly good. It really is our Avengers Endgame. I grew up on Oz. I love Return to Oz but I hated Oz the Great and Powerful. Wicked was better than I ever hoped. My heart is full

[@SheldonAdama17]

“Wicked is actually good” Me: Nah it’ll be fine!

[@LordBaktor]

So basically his point is "if you don't like gay musicals you're not gonna like this gay musical". Brilliant take, Chris :P

[@kingcosworth2643]

But what about Thai food

[@LordBaktor]

@@kingcosworth2643 I thought I loved Thai food but I learned the dish I was obsessed with is Vietnamese and I have never actually had any Thai food so I don't know.

[@scubasteve2189]

He’s right, though. It’s like trying to convince people to like comic book movies when they don’t like comic book movies. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@LordBaktor]

@scubasteve2189 Of course he's right. It's a Captain Obvious level statement. What next? "If you don't have feet you don't need to buy shoes"?

[@globaldave1]

The original Wizard of Oz is an allegory. current rendition is sheer buffoonery.

[@dravguitao7265]

I didn't expect much from the movie. But i was so surprised. I love Wicked because it shows that there was so much love and care put into the project and you can see it in every frame. Which is missing from movies of Today. And the finale is spell binding. When Elphaba is singing Defying Gravity; you can feel that she is defying her fate, and letting go of her history and embracing her future; no matter how grim.

[@SqueakingLion]

The reason why they kept both Elphaba and Glinda as having male interests in the movies is because they didn't really have a choice. The romance between The Scarecrow and Elphaba is a huge part of the musical, and trying to hand-wave that away would have fundamentally changed the story to the extreme. Most of the musical wouldn't have made much sense, really. Adding in the whole bisexual tones could make it so they could have their DEI-approved THE MESSAGE shoved into the movie and still include the Scarecrow/Elphaba romance. The movie would have had to have changed way too drastically in order to make them both pure lesbians, so much so that it would literally have become an entirely new movie. So don't give Hollywood too much credit for keeping in the male interest angle... in this case, they would have had no way to tie in The Wizard of Oz without the Scarecrow/Elphaba romance, so they really didn't have a choice in the matter. Not without pretty much the entire audience calling BS, anyway.

[@ferrygal6036]

I'm NEVER a fan of Wicked. Wicked is one of the first modern musicals that lost the magic of Broadway musicals to me. This movie will suck ten times as much!

[@Se7enBeatleofDoom]

A reminder that Wicked is an accidental pro-life story.

[@josephfisher426]

I wouldn't assume that it's entirely accidental... at least not at the book end.

[@deoccultist]

The original Wizard of Oz story by Frank Baum is ultimately a Theosophical allegory, and an amazing one. While I'm sure Wicked is entertaining, it was obviously written with complete ignorance of Baum's true message. But that's the nature of the occult... only the few ever see it.

[@YeTism]

Ariana Grande would be a great choice to play Skeletor

[@chrishill9197]

A+ comment, that certainly made me chuckle! Here, have a like! 😂

[@Fulgrim2]

“If you like Thai food you’ll like this movie” What in the Emperor’s back teeth does that even mean?

[@innocuousalias6632]

Just like Barbie, I don't care if it's woke or not. "They" can have this one however they want. "Woke" only ever became a problem because it tried to claim legacy, mainstream, stories.

[@toughbutsweet1]

Wicked is to The Wizard of Oz what Winnie the Pooh; Blood and Honey is to the source materials.

[@Gatchaman01]

This movie is NOT for me, trust me.

[@attackfox]

I went to see it bc my coworker offered to take me, I was pleasantly surprised. It was enjoyable. Ari was surprising and her comedic timing was perfect. Cynthia was less impressive, but not as bad as I expected.

[@cesarvasquez9572]

That last line literally made me burst out in laugher; "I'm going to ask Gary if he liked prison or Wicked better." 😆

[@RosiG73]

The villain is just misunderstood 🙄.

[@puddingcatsteamboat6393]

jeez is Wicked actually 25 years old? i just turned 40 i hadn’t realized this weird obsession with explaining the sad reasons villains are evil (usually female villains) had been happening more then half my life. i’m a straight dude and i actually enjoy musicals now and then but i have never had interest in this particular story. leave the Wizard of Oz alone. the fact that they were friends in college together sounds like the dumbest idea to begin with, i cannot even picture what a “college” in the magical and flamboyant land of Oz would be. it sounds more like Harry Potter fan fiction.

[@itsaKindaMagik]

💯

[@cuteanimalseverywhere7620]

Just 21!

[@austinfretz2749]

This is basically just a gay guy who's trying to convice his straight buddies that wicked is cool.

[@TheBubbaclaw]

"It's a musical and it's super gay." When I saw the first trailer Before the media bullshit happened I went, "This looks terrible. I'm passing on this garbage," Everything I've seen since that first trailer has reinforced my first impression. I'll be avoiding that dumpster fire like the plague. Chris just sealed the deal for me.

[@papal1500]

As a fan of the play, I 100% think the play was better. The actess who played Elphaba never gave the same amount of soul as any of the original actresses. Surprisingly, Arianna Grande did an incredible job with her character, while Cynthia Erivo just felt like the wrong choice. Her songs had no soul!!! Overall, the movie felt like it was trying to be the Broadway show instead of a movie. Solid 5 or 6 out of 10.

[@prof.laytonfan764]

Glad to hear the movie is good, even if the main actress is insufferable. I’ve been looking forward to watching this despite the frame.

[@loreseeker6604]

I dont care how good the story is or isn't, i refuse to support the cultural vandalism that Wicked represents. Retconing the Wizard into an evil asshole while turning the villian into the good guy destroys the timeless classic of the wizard of Oz. Even if you tell such a story well i refuse to support such vandalism.

[@BreMue]

The wizard was always a fraud though??

[@loreseeker6604]

@BreMue no he puffed himself up by adding smoke amd mirrors but he absolutely helped the people amd wasnt evil. If you watched the orginal movie and took away that the wizard is a bad guy then your mistaken. Plus go read the book the wizard was not perfect but he helped the people....wicked is a complete retcon of the orginal material no matter how you look at it.

[@AQuietNight]

I thought the1939 movie was self contained and required no expansion of the story. This is Hollywood trying to go back to a played out gold mine hoping to find that last little nugget. I really don't care about the Wicked Witch's back story. Like Snow White, give the 1939 Wizard Of Oz it's honored place then go on to create the next story we'd want to remember.

[@stratosfire1943]

Chris " tell me this movies gay without it being gay" Gore everybody. He said the same thing 10 times in 12 minutes

[@daishikaze3986]

You know in the original books, the Witches were completely in Control of Oz BEFORE The Wizard arrived in Oz, and also the Wizard tricked them into thinking he was more powerful than they were, but he never interfered with their Authority in their own lands because he had no power to act against them. He kept to the Emerald City and no one questioned him because they feared his power. But he never wielded his "Power" like a Tyrant, he just did what he could to keep things working smoothly in the the City. He sent Dorothy and Co after the Wicked Witch of the West because she was the only dangerous one left to worry about because Glinda and he sister in the North (who is the one who Dorothy First meets in Oz) were Benevolent and Kind, while the Witches of the East and West were nasty and Cruel. Lesson here is Read the original Oz books, they are a real treat

[@oliviastratton2169]

The Wizard forced everyone to wear green glasses so they would believe his lie that the Emerald City was actually made of emeralds. And he had a magical sex-change done on a baby, then sent her off to be a slave/servant so he could steal her throne. He was definitely a bit of a tyrant.

[@daishikaze3986]

@@oliviastratton2169 I forgot the bit with Ozma. But wasn't the Enchantment solely Mombi? I mean he gave her to Mombi, but what Mombi did with her afterwards, what that his Order??

[@edstringer1138]

1) Sigh , you supported that nasty woman Really , Do better man ... 2) The discripton sounds like woke crap , (and Ive read the book )

[@thefairybug40]

I've Read the book, seen the stage play, and I one hundred percent agree. Even his attempt to defend it sounds awful.

[@chrishill9197]

Ariana, nasty? You totally nailed it! So yeah, f this movie!

[@jonjonr6]

Is he trying to say, if you don't like Thai food, don't go to a Thai restaurant?

[@Daneiladams555]

I’m boycotting Hollywood,who’s with me?🎉

[@eh4907]

on twitter...everyone. in reality...nobody.

[@caylya7869]

Based on the story and reviews, I’m pretty sure the word people are looking for is decent, which isn’t a term used very often. A score of 6.5-7.5/10 would be a good fit.

[@TastyScotch]

If you like Wicked, you’ll like Wicked. Lol 😂

[@HerbertTwack]

Just paused and watched the Nosferatu trailer. That may be the one that drags me back to the cinema!

[@paulysmallz8095]

Of course gore likes it gheyyyyyyy!

[@macmcleod1188]

It may be good but I think her meltdown will still have cost them at least a million in ticket sales

[@Lothnar5070]

No it's actually not. Next question

[@djchuckone1]

Homegirl that plays Elphaba, in real life, is definitely ridiculous, but she does do a great job in the movie. BUT THAT'S IT

[@CanadaPlus]

Yeah, I'm still not interested. Mainly because it's a part 1, and I don't like the studio trying to hide it.

[@thedealmama3070]

wait, it’s part 1? That’s just mean. If I got to the end and had found that out I would absolutely be fried.

[@themandownthehall]

That's fair. There are people who love the broadway musical and will go see this. There are people who hate musicals and won't. Nothing wrong with either position

[@gungaloscrungalo8925]

I despise musicals and the cast hates me. This is made for women and gay men, and I hope they enjoy it, but I'm not going anywhere near it. I hope my favorite tubers are done talking about it now they've gave it its due.

[@jasoncain9602]

Totally your prerogative, but all of Hollywood hates you/us, if you like film, you like movies by people who hate you. It’s not actually really gay, Oz is just eccentric. If you hate musicals, sure that’s your taste, but sad! There’s a lot of good musicals.

[@nyarlat2609]

​@@jasoncain9602man of la mancha is dope

[@lJ0blixen]

I’m a women and hate this, especially I’m not paying people who told me how much they loath me

[@TheOneManWhoBeatYou]

​@@jasoncain9602Sure they do kiddo...

[@kingcosworth2643]

I have to defend musicals, Blues Brothers, Team America, South Park etc...

[@Ciborium]

Critical Drinker must have gone to see the theater production on Gay Tuesday.

[@MSmith-ib1du]

FFS, what's next? Will all of you be giving Snow White a pass?

[@eh4907]

if its good yes - and you will bend the knee too incel

[@Gojeto346]

I’m so glad most of the comments are bashing Chris Bore, dude doesn’t deserve an ounce of the attention he gets

[@gregg6398]

I don't mind laughing at his silliness. He said it's gay and women centered. That's enough to let me know its crap

[@Eraiyna]

The whole, separate the artist from the art these days unfortunately doesn't really cut it. Supporting a work of art made by a terrible person, is supporting that terrible person, financially and spiritually/emotionally.

[@jaimeruiz7837]

Look… you guys go ahead and give them money. I’m done doing that, and if someone calls me stupid or whatever nonsense they do. I just won’t support them. It’s that easy, stop watching their movies. Stop supporting them in anyway.

[@looinrims]

Remember when the half skirt just meant unisex bathroom?

[@ReaLMoisan]

Sorry, but I don't trust Chris Gore reviews. Fool me once... but, twenty times.

[@sineporf]

Take it for what it is. He's a next-level theater junkie. Can't blame him; can't take him seriously either

[@davidbruce482]

I love Thai food... Did Chris Gore just call me gay?

[@777jimothy]

7:25 wait I don't think Trump has a virtuous cause 😂

[@Daniel145D]

Well , that’s like … your opinion , man