The Hidden Signs 'Big Smoke' BETRAYS CJ in GTA San Andreas

[@ToryVic08]

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[@DrModGTA]

It's me :) this is my 2nd channel! Thanks for stopping by! You're the first person who recognised me I think

[@williamshaikespire69]

​@@DrModGTAafter 98 videos someones recognizes your voice lol

[@ToryVic08]

@@DrModGTA Oh then I subscribing to this channel too!

[@DrModGTA]

Mostly shorts

[@jadedheartsz]

@@DrModGTA there were actually some cut voice lines from Smoke that make it even more obvious that he's a traitor but Rockstar cut them because they made it a bit too obvious and wanted his betrayal to come as more of a shock to players.

[@MeSS1516]

At the 4:00, Ryder shoots at Ballas Car, Big Smoke does not, because Ryder was not planned as a traitor in the beginning. They changed it last minute.

[@massmanpro]

Yes, I believe Rider's voice actor MC Eiht quit during production and the writers had to improvise

[@DrModGTA]

I'm thinking about making a video on this soon! 😁

[@gaboislost]

Can't wait!​@@DrModGTA

[@feign9513]

It would've been better if Ryder was also a part of San Fierro Garage family.

[@guillermosalcido9139]

​@@feign9513I bet his missions would have been hilarious

[@Deluna_arts_studio]

When I first saw that his home was in ballar territory, I kinda found it werid.

[@Cybernaut76]

Me too. No honorable grove streeter would feel at home there. They would have to watch their backs all the time which is stressful.

[@MossiahAce091]

That was the biggest give away that he was a snake.

[@Cybernaut76]

​@@MossiahAce091 If I was in Big Smokes shoes, I would publicly have a home in Grove Street but just in case also a SECRET house deep in Ballas territory (that I would tell about to no grove street member) where I could run for my life spontaneously in the same minute I hear Grove Street crowds have discovered my treachery. I find it bizarre to remember from 20 years ago that Smoke did not even seem nervous to take my protagonist (CJ) to his Ballas territory house. Like I said, I would have gone to great lengths to hide my Ballas house. As far as I can remember, immediately after I got "mission complete", I was nervous like "Oh boy!!! I need to get the heck out of here back to Grove Street to save my game before the Ballas jump on my throat".

[@evanbultemeier3596]

Same I kept asking myself why he lives in Balla territory.

[@aquaviii]

Grove Street Party !!!

[@aSkyclad]

For point 6, once again, Big Smoke's infamous order was really just him ordering for the whole car as he repeats everyone's order and add his own stuff. Hence the "I'll take a number 9, fat boy", CJ was talking to Smoke and why Smoke asked him what he wanted in the first place.

[@mst7322]

Then why they turn around when he order his food

[@MartyKay]

​@@mst7322They turn around when he starts ordering a lot of food for himself (after the other orders).

[@aSkyclad]

@@MartyKay yup. Ryder and CJ both get a number 9, and Sweet gets a number 6 with extra dip. In bold I'll put their order. "I'll have *Two number nines*, a number 9 large, *a number 6 with extra dip*, a number 7 (they start to turn around as he still ain't done), two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda. And lastly, you just have to have gone to a drive thru to know that one person (usually the driver but in this case, smoke) orders for the whole car as the microphone ain't gonna pick up everybody in the car

[@greycatofnobodys2007]

@aSkyclad that... Actually makes sense now that I think about

[@key0777]

It always bothered me when nobody noticed this

[@sallobo777]

Reason 13; he is voice acted by Clifton Powell. If you are outside the black community; and you don't see a lot of street movies. Clifton Powell is always the bad guy in movies, he never plays a friendly character to the hero. Clifton Powell is like Christopher Lee; if you see Christopher Lee in a movie 90%; you know by instinct he is going to be the main bad guy or someone hostile to the hero.

[@falconeshield]

But Dr Lee is always a good guy funny enough

[@stephordless8876]

Facts Menace 2 society, Dead Presidents etc. he definitely is lol

[@psychobillynumbnuts1]

But he played pinky in the Friday movies

[@AdrianJarmarvelous]

@@psychobillynumbnuts1Pinky was hostile to the main character.

[@Abrar_41148]

Imagine a videogame being so fucking awesome that fans make theories and character analysis out of it, even after 20 fucking years. Awesome.

[@JasperJames0912]

wait a hot got damn minuet.....its 20 fucking years old?!?!

[@Abrar_41148]

@@JasperJames0912 yeah

[@falconeshield]

​@davinci.41148 Off one year but yeah

[@MageCursedTy99]

@@JasperJames0912you must’ve just discovered this game dude

[@He-Man00]

It is NOT 20 years old you're lying 😢

[@nameless10802]

Ryder wasnt originally supposed to turn on Grove Street. Its evident throughout the game. I think anyway.

[@nameless10802]

I feel like he was supposed to be a character like Trevor. A smart ass but still loyal.

[@HeavySandvichGuy1]

@@nameless10802 I think Lamar fits more

[@Rieky22]

He wasn’t but his VA and rockstar fall out and they just shoehorned his betrayal the very last minute. You noticed cj said big smoke name and never mentioned Ryder at all even though he’s there too.

[@visionarybrushstroker7694]

@@nameless10802facts. Real friends talk shit face to face with e/o

[@princessmarlena1359]

They were better off letting Ryder get eliminated in the last mission before Sweet is taken into police custody at that freeway war zone.

[@prettyboyonline]

Notice how when CJ spots Ryder and Smoke with the Ballers, he only mentions Smoke in the dialogue. That’s the proof that Ryder wasn’t initially supposed to betray Grove.

[@97_Fredo]

Notice in mission 7: Drive By that during the car talk scene, Big Smoke is totally silent. Everyone says something except Smoke and that's because he is nervous about something.

[@Loyal_homie100]

@@97_Fredoyeah i don’t understand why he was there if he was planning to betray grove street why would he kill ballas if he was going to join them? Rockstar should’ve taken him out of that mission

[@jacelockwood7005]

His voice actor quit so I think that's why they made it a thing

[@Loyal_homie100]

@@jacelockwood7005 how do you know he quit?

[@DuragDul]

@@Loyal_homie100why would he not? He gotta make it look like he rocking wit da grove

[@kumo7099]

2:02 always look where you're going

[@purpleflaminggoatsnakes9864]

Lololololol

[@iDaVisionEnt]

Damn Cj all you had to do was stay on the bike

[@massmanpro]

Big Smoke's map icon is "BS"

[@BionicPig95]

It stands for “Big Smoke”

[@Kyubeyisbestboy]

It stands for big shot

[@RafaMASTER-ro3wm]

Bull Sh*t

[@TheMetaLRoacH]

It stands for Bull shitter

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

It stands for Bull Shit.

[@Lawsefrom334]

In hindsight all of Big Smokes missions are him eliminating drug dealing competition. Running Man - you kill the errand boy Wrong side of the tracks - you kill ese’s going to get drugs in San Fierro Just Business - you kill the Russians who were trying to take some of Smokes turf Also the betrayal came from Sweet not wanting GS to sell crack

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

Don’t forget that one mission where big smoke kills those two Mexican guys who called out his mom when he asked them for drugs using his poor Spanish.

[@sirtristan01]

Also Smoke makes last attempts to persuade Sweet to get into the crack game

[@thisisjfl]

​@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast That's basically the running man mission

[@KillmanPit]

One big thing that jumped at me was how during the ordeal with russian mafia Big Smoke was constantly like "Come on CJ YOU SHOW THEM" and "That's my homie CJ" as if he wanted the russian mafia to know that it was CJ who killed so many of them

[@andrewmatlala6130]

Another sign, when you in the car with big smoke, the ballas don't shoot.

[@user_747]

In which mission?

[@andrewmatlala6130]

@@user_747 any mission. Remember big smoke resides in the ballas territory so when you drive past them they don't shoot so long as he's there. But pass the territory without him, you will hear guns blazing

[@user_747]

@@andrewmatlala6130 woah man after all these years of playing gta sa I have never noticed that , nice observation bro

[@Steve-yn3cs]

Jeez..... I never thought about it.

[@konradkurcz2999]

Recently played, and it's random

[@reloadpsi]

I was far more bothered that OG Loc had to be spared.

[@drcherrybomb]

There would be no point in killing him. It's better to have him live as an absolute zero with no ambitions.

[@Heat7208]

Bruh, he is like the kid of the family. He's not worth it. Not worth to kill the fraud.

[@AndImKanyeWest]

give loc a break man 😭 he was just tryna make it big

[@SlashandStab]

Did you know! Smokes order comes to $187 dollars. 1-8-7 is the police code for murder.

[@themarcinfromgtagames9431]

And how exactly did you confirm this? 😅

[@SlashandStab]

@@themarcinfromgtagames9431 , Logic and conspiracy

[@MillenZaLPhA]

Yea, & you dont stop… 🎶 🎤

[@Julian-n9u8s]

187bux back then was enough to order the whole menu twice

[@anthonyoverstreet6392]

How when the prices ain’t listed!?

[@pratyaksh17]

Big smokes "We are groves" line to CJ is the most ironic line in the game.

[@Cuburt_.]

I thought it was smokes order in Drive-thru

[@WouterStudioHD]

@@Cuburt_.all you had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!

[@mrkorkiakoski]

The damn train laughs at the station

[@Reclaze]

“Ah shut, here we go again…”

[@fearmyinstincts]

@@WouterStudioHD😂😂😂

[@AllWithinReach91]

He had already betrayed them BEFORE CJ’s return

[@texasgent4694]

Exactly Big Smoke was already in cahoots with Tenpenny/C.R.A.S.H and the Ballas prior to CJ's return to Los Santos

[@bubbles2215]

I knew I couldn’t trust him when he was yelling at me about following the damn train, when the real reason we kept failing is because he couldn’t aim worth a shit

[@MoriahTreadwellRiah1125]

😂😂😂😂

[@KumaLynx-mj9cz]

man, i finished that mission second try in mobile. it was stressful

[@michaeljohn6357]

@@KumaLynx-mj9czI did all the flight school in mobile, at first it was fkn hard, second time i tried i flawlessy completed it which took me by surprise

[@KumaLynx-mj9cz]

@@michaeljohn6357 I'm also playing in mobile, the zero missions and the driving school were waaay easier than in ps2 (Zero missions I finished every single one of them first try, meanwhile I just gave up in ps2)

[@michaeljohn6357]

@@KumaLynx-mj9cz Damn son, you still got the ps2? I wish i could play it on the ps2 but before mobile i only played it on the ps4 since i recklessly ruined my ps2. But tbh mobile is so much more satisfying

[@theprofessional155]

Ryder was in on it since the start. The San Andres introduction confirms he was a traitor early on when big smoke tells him about betraying sweet .

[@DrModGTA]

I want to make a video about this ultimately discussing it and how it was just not written very clearly to show this and the beta Missions cut audio files

[@holymoly2422]

Ryder wasn’t meant to betray them if I remember correctly the actor who voices Ryder had a disagreement with the producers of GTA and he was cut

[@et34t34fdf]

@@holymoly2422 I liked the story for the most part, but it really was a downside how they handled Ryder.

[@holymoly2422]

@@et34t34fdf it is a shame the last few Ryder missions were weird but SanAndreas for me is the best ps2 game

[@terpekiseo8748]

​​@@holymoly2422 man they could've just killed off Ryder and not made him into a traitor, that would've became a really good motivator for cj.

[@ItsHappyHourArchived]

Most genius and hilarious part about that drive by mission with big smokes order. Is that at the end of the mission , Ryder gets pissed off cuz Smoke ate all ryders fries. Confirming that not only did he eat HIS WHOLE ORDER! But he also was eating Ryders too😭😭. So its the perfect alibi to not shoot back because he legitimately did wanna eat. But he also needed an excuse to not shoot😂

[@leshurlementsdelacave9563]

That make it even more evil now

[@Yoshired-mal]

man when big smoke said " everybody here is my cousin " was the best information that Big Smoke was gonna betray him

[@michaeljohn6357]

Yup, he also refers to drugs as his cousin, his cousin MJ (Marijuana), and when going to kill the Russians he says the ruskies laid off his cousin fresh of the boat (which probably means the russians messed up his drug operation)

[@angrym0nkeysh0w]

Big Smoke's initials are literally "BS"

[@Steve-yn3cs]

I'm confused. I keep seeing this. What is the initial BS supposed to mean?

[@SYDAirlineEnthusiast]

@@Steve-yn3csbullshit is what people normally refer to as bs. However, big smoke is just a nickname and not his real name.

[@Steve-yn3cs]

@@SYDAirlineEnthusiast I know, but how does this relate to a clue that smoke will betray CJ and Grove Street Families?

[@kaizoku8087]

@@Steve-yn3csBig Smoke was bs’ing CJ the entire time,which is why CJ was tricked,hoodwinked,bamboozled,and some would even say,betrayed.

[@Steve-yn3cs]

@@kaizoku8087 Oh. Bullshit. I get it now.

[@chrisleaf]

"If you can eat your food while everyone else is losing theirs, you straight". If that isn't the most selfish, honest quote then I don't what is.

[@nawazeeshali4340]

GTA SA is my most fav GTA ever. But one thing I never understand, Smoke supports the Ballas and never attacks them but we see him kill Vagos members in Running Dog and Wrong Side of the Track, we see he doesn't like Vagos much but then why do Vagos aid him in the final mission along side the Ballas. Ikr Vagos are the 2nd biggest rivals to GSF after Ballas (while main rivals of Aztecas) but Smoke wasn't in friendly terms with them and their main leader Big Poppa got killed in a home in the hills when we take over Madd Dog's mansion....

[@Unlucky_fool_1409]

in my mind , smoke became so powerful after exiling cj from los santos and making sweet to be in jail. he was so powerful that vagos could not resist allying with him even though they have a rift between each other . but to be honest , this may happen in real life too ,right? we wont like some people . but they end up being our ally or boss because they are more powerful and influential .

[@nawazeeshali4340]

@@Unlucky_fool_1409 That explains a lot, that could indeed be case, also given his main Drug factory was in San Fierro he also made alliance with the Rifa gang there.

[@mannagarwal5390]

​@@nawazeeshali4340 San Fierro Rifa, Russian Mafia, Los Santos Vagos and The Ballas all operate under Big Smoke the Kingpin of Crack Cocaine epidemic in San Andreas.

[@johannes7259]

In this big smoke line "People got to open their eyes and hearts Cj" and this line is what made me knew that he will possibly going to betray them.

[@TrainMaster5097]

For me, it was this and also when Sweet wanted to eliminate drug dealing within Grove Street, Big Smoke replied with “You can’t knock another man’s hustle” or something along those lines.

[@luciannn_sss]

@@TrainMaster5097yea I remember that

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

Big smoke was ordering for the car, thats why his order was so long. He ordered everything everyone else wanted then added a few things for him self. The two number 9's were for Carl and Ryder then a number 6 with xtra dip for sweet. Big smoke got a number 9 large, number 7, and the two 45's. Granted that doesnt affect wether or not he ordered the 3 extra meals to buy time for a drive by.

[@bustasmoke]

that's true, I always thought that it was ridiculous for Smoke ordering the exact same number that CJ, Sweet and Ryder ordered, 90% of GTA SA fanbase misunderstood this unfortunately

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

@@bustasmoke I always thought it was weird everyone got confused considering CJ said "Get me a number 9, FATBOY" directed at smoke.

[@Feras_Ahmed661]

Party pooper

[@dorinmelnic6001]

lol, each of them said ''I'll have....'', Big Smoke just had a big order for himself that included the other guys's numbers

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

@@dorinmelnic6001 yeah they were telling big smoke what they wanted him to order for them. Again Cj said "I'll have a number 9, Fatboy" in reference to smoke. They even all look at smoke and smoke is the one who pays and receives the entire order for the car. Big smoke ordered for the vehicle.

[@TordaiJenoArthurJenci]

BS tried to whack CJ in every mission every mission was an enemy meetup

[@arthurmorgan8529]

The first one yes. In wrong side of the tracks and the Russian mafia bike getaway mission the enemies try to kill smoke as well as CJ

[@TordaiJenoArthurJenci]

@@arthurmorgan8529 on smokes orders they miss smoke on purpose to whack cj

[@scagerjunsan3368]

The most iconic early sign from Big Smoke betrayal was asking CJ that all he had to do was follow the damn train XD

[@MoriahTreadwellRiah1125]

😂😂😂

[@zeked4200]

I remember that mission...I don't think he was asking us 😂

[@earthling_parth]

Exactly! The train mission is proof BS wasn't on our side 😂

[@fierceslagga2084]

The biggest sign was the entire Wrong Side of the Tracks mission

[@earthling_parth]

All you had to do was follow the dam train CJ - spoken like a true traitor who won't shoot straight deliberately

[@unholyXromance]

Ryder was never meant to be betray you in the game, but the voice actor had a falling out with Rockstar, so they changed the game. It's also why there's a lot of dialog after the betrayal happens that mentions Smoke, but doesn't say a word about Ryder

[@jadedheartsz]

not really true, there wasn't a fallout, he was just too busy with his rap career.

[@unholyXromance]

@@jadedheartsz he wasn't an antagonist in the beta version of the game

[@jadedheartsz]

@@unholyXromance right should've watched the entire video before commenting LOL

[@unholyXromance]

I don't know what that means. What video didn't I watch all of before commenting..? You've totally lost me

[@jadedheartsz]

I was talking about myself, I posted my previous comment before watching the entire video.@@unholyXromance

[@Esmeralda505]

The lore of GTA San Andreas never gets boring, and I always love it when its covered as it is one of my favorite games of all time. I know you mentioned Big Smoke jumps in the conversations when Sweet and CJ attempt to talk about the speculations behind their mother's death, but I am curious to know your thoughts if you think the reason he tried to shut it down during the mission drive thru is because he had a guilty conscious? Or because he was just paranoid they would eventually find out. CJ seemed pretty naive for the most part towards Smoke's intentions, but I am wondering if he was more worried about Sweet finding out. Subscribed! Thank you for making these types of videos! :)

[@JohnnyHotovson]

this might be a stretch but the acronym for Big Smoke is BS and Smokes whole character is that he's a BullShitter :D

[@GaryHarrison-i6i]

There was the comment when sweet says "no drugs ever made a gang tight" and big smoke says "i don't know man"

[@gmont28]

He lived on ballas turf that hinted it too

[@gftyhify]

Big Smoke being overly friendly to CJ is any other sign of his betrayal. I’ve seen plenty of stories where a character was overly friendly and nice and it turned out they were the villian

[@greeny987]

yea like Gary in Bully

[@gftyhify]

@@greeny987 I’ve never seen that. When I think of characters that were way too friendly and it turned out they were the antagonists I think of someone like Lotso from Toy Story 3, Big Smoke of course or Vicki Robinson from the original Parent Trap (1961)

[@greeny987]

@@gftyhifyyou should play Bully then, its from the same creator, Rockstar

[@Krapoutchniek]

Then Sam is the true Lord of the Ring ? :o

[@Somespideronline]

​@@greeny987 Gary was obviously a villain from the start, despite his "friendly" nature

[@KUFDENTERTAINMENT]

1) He was randomly in CJs House! 2)He moved right into the center of Ballas Turf lol 😂 come on now...

[@CloutGod_504]

Ryder originally wasn’t supposed to betray CJ. The voice actor had a falling out with the developers during the making of the game so they decided to kill his character (Ryder)

[@Poetic_Justice92]

Just a fun little tidbit unrelated to the Big Smoke/Ryder betrayal; the reuniting the families mission has an interesting effect on the overworld. During that mission, once you arrive at the motel, the overworld becomes a ghost town. There's no npcs on the road nor are there any vehicles on the road besides the ones that are parked around the map. You also cannot build up a wanted level which means that, if you were so inclined, you could go to San Fierro or Las Venturas early and not get the 4* wanted level you'd normally get. This can be used to collect all the other collectibles well before you'd reach those areas or use it to help build up weapon skills since no matter how much you shoot you'll never attain a wanted level. It's benefits are miniscule but it's interesting nonetheless.

[@icaptureditforyou]

This just goes to show how great this game really is.

[@Gaumost]

Great video, but I think you may have forgotten that Ryder wasn’t originally meant to betray Grove Street.

[@DrModGTA]

Hey, I want to make a separate video on this soon:)

[@shahnawazsooba7904]

What Smoke did in the drive thru mission itself is a major sign.

[@valnovanoth]

Were I Smoke, I would have shot with purposefully bad aim to not give away that I was a traitor... not giving a damn was indeed highly sus

[@messii648]

It would blow up if San Andreas did a remake

[@Whiteboykun]

Since the definitive edition was so terrible that fans had to fix it for Rockstar I really hope they don't even bother

[@soliddirectioner4life422]

It already did have a remake... just a disastrous one.

[@Vi3Voide]

​@@soliddirectioner4life422DE is not a remake

[@foxus-a113]

I've heard that Ryder's voice actor had some trouble during the development of Gta sa and that's why he had to quit voice acting the character. That's why his betrayal wasn't planned from the start, but more of an improvisation.

[@thomaswillard6267]

Ok, but you could also google it and see that the only actual evidence indicates it was just a combo of lazy writing and MC Eiht releasing 3 albums during the production of GTA San Andreas

[@MeIoTheYellow]

@@thomaswillard6267 Also MC Eiht when finally asked said Rockstar just never contacted him for more voice work.

[@filips7158]

What about his initials - BS

[@RomanZ-zy1ef]

It stands for Bull Shit

[@ariaroflcakes]

​@RomanZ-zy1ef you can say backstabber too

[@realselmen55]

I know that the video has 12 hidden early signs but the first one made me questioning my life But still a good video keep it like that 🔥

[@dan290786]

Its good writing when they cleverly disguise a character by making them appear good for most of the game before revealing they’re not. Great video! I don’t think anyone on their first play through would ever suspect anything so to see these hidden clues and the foreshadowing is very interesting. Thank you for uploading!

[@_____________44v______________]

He Acutally wasnt waiting for sweet and its been disproved because sweet could have just shot smoke when he would see him and if he was gonna kill sweet he would kill cj as well.

[@StachuWrublitto]

Średnio umiem pisać po angielsku więc spróbuj użyć Google Translate W 1 punkcie filmu było powiedziane że Big Smoke pojawił się w domu CJ ale prawda jest taka że CJ podczas gdy został aresztowany przez Tenpenniego spóźniał się na pogrzeb. Zniecierpliwione rodzeństwo CJ'a oraz Ryder postanowili nie czekać dłużej i pojechali na pogrzeb zostawiając Big Smoke'a w domu żeby na niego poczekał. Tym samym nie można tego określić jako "przedwczesną zdradę".

[@marko-gj1uj]

So, basically. Big Smoke waited for CJ to come so they could both go into the funeral.

[@malteeaser101]

'Use Google translate' Spoken in the language needed to be translated lol

[@Killer_KT]

but why greet the guy you're waiting for with a baseball bat? are they going to play ball after the funeral or smth too?

[@lynk3067]

its funny on the drive thru mission chasing the ballas car sometimes some random ballas will shoot at them i remember laughing at it and saying you guys on the same team

[@icydom_]

its mind blowing how clear the signs are but you just dont notice them while playing the game... masterpiece

[@bobbyjenkins7946]

I'm still trying to figure out the connection between big smoke and the russians 🤔

[@Philipp3022]

Big Smokes missions are all about his drug dealing buisness (as said in the video none of the missions are in favor for the gang and just in favor for Big Smoke). The Russians tried to do a drug deal and Big Smoke wanted to crash it because its bad for his own buisness. In the first Grove Street part of the story you have several different parts giving you the hints that the drugs harm the gang more than the benefits it brings for the gang. The most obvious story line is the Big Bear story line who is shadow of his past because he became a crack junkie. Another is Sweets attempts to clean his streets and the gang from drugs and reunite the Grove families and so on. This ties into his connections to Tenpenny who corrupts/blackmail gang members for his own agenda. He uses the gang wars and drugs to keep the gangs down and busy with each other while keeping the crime rates high which would result in additonal police authority, funding and so on. Big Smoke in this occasation is a usefull idiot for the cops - as hinted through their presence at Big Smokes home (Tenpenny is also like the final boss you kill after you already killed Big Smoke). They feeding him with resources, informations or whatever to keep his buisness running for this goal. So the possible connection between the Russians and Big Smoke could simply be that Tenpenny gave him the info in order to escalate another gang war between Grove Street and the Russians. (Rockstar likely was inspired by stuff like the CIA running drug networks in black neighborhoods in the 90's, corrupt cops who push for high constant crime rates to fortify their power and the overall topic of the thin line between people controlling the drugs turning into the drugs controlling the people, since Rockstar likes to do this kind of political references in their ingame world)

[@bobbyjenkins7946]

@Philipp3022 oh wow thanks

[@SUPER_PROPER]

Another detail in "Reuniting the families" is Big Smoke saying that he is "a little bit exposed" in the beginning because he clearly knew that police would arrive soon.

[@Sans274]

Another sign, 0:50 he wasn’t anticipating Carl’s sorrow towards his mum

[@thejanitor9902]

Everyone mistakes Big Smokes order for him ordering a lot, no, he orders for the entire car, hence why he orders what everyone asks and why he asks what everyone wants prior. I don't understand how so many people mistake it for him only ordering for himself

[@AjayLackinn]

Big smoke also moved away from grove, near ballas country

[@ErminDedicNT]

I guess after so much time, we're going to accept the fact that the Ryder storyline was scrapped. If they were going to shun him, maybe the best solution would have been to kill him off under the intersection, and not make such a terrible villain arc

[@zzzlulzzz5080]

In the Mission called "House party" all the Grove street families are there except big smoke and suddenly Ballas attack their home turf

[@Justa_Busta68]

In the Green Sabre mission you can see two ballas members. They was the two who killed CJ's mom

[@mrfalzar9]

Ryder could NOT be selling his homies because R* never actually planned to make from him a villain, maybe he could die early in game if not Voice Actor leaving from studio but he was most probably not suppose to be our enemy, probably all those lines with sub context with betraying CJ were suppose to be leading to something else, like he knew about Big Smoke being with Ballas but he got paid or he knew about it but Big Smoke warned him about killing his best friends so he was quiet whole time.

[@justinnamuco9096]

He was also quite mean to CJ

[@swido16]

I just discovered your channel last night and have been bingeing your videos. Great stuff man, really thought out and concise stuff.

[@solitudeguard1932]

Ryder was involved in the assassination as shown in the Introduction.

[@DookieSh0es]

"All you had to do was follow the damn clues, CJ!"

[@priyanthisandarath1365]

Makes sense if he said it right before his dead

[@gamnirthe3rd]

I wonder what's in those boxes in Big Smoke's garage!🤔

[@squidward1901]

Ryder wasn't a betrayer to CJ because after the green sabre mission CJ doesn't mention of name ryder

[@Marine_Dynamite]

4:27 I love that you are subconsciously have to run over those Ballas

[@iiGingiey]

He's also ordering for the car, so he says Ryder, Cj, and sweets order as well. So, out of all, he orders only 3 of the items, and the large soda are for him

[@greenamogus]

Alternative title: Big Smoke's red flags 🚩

[@originalbro09]

If you remember, Ryder shouted - Its every man for themselves.

[@hygrave2892]

In 2003, I was reading a gaming magazine, about the new GTA, which would be San Andreas. The magazine had to edit out a screenshot, of one of the developers computers, who was working on finishing up the game. Said screenshot, had "Smoke" NPC behavior, "Smoke" follower behavior, and Smoke "End Game Boss" behavior, with his model in the flak jacket, and armed with the auto shotgun. The magazine's first press run had to be delayed due to having to edit out the photo of the major game spoiling screenshot. A good buddy of mine had that gamepro[not sure if it was Gamepro or Electronic Gaming Monthly] magazine, selling it years ago for $3000 USD. Good times. And no, I never spoiled anyone's fun by narcing on the screenshot. I simply pretended to be amazed the was the turncoat when the reveal happens. FYI, Ryder wasn't supposed to be bad either, in fact another storyline was scrapped in which CJ frees Ryder from being framed by Tenpenny and Smoke.

[@CBTstreams]

See I always noticed the Ballas not hitting Smoke, and him not firing at them, but not as often as you shown, nor some of the other clues you mentioned How fantastic of a video

[@bacd-nn2lg]

"I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda."

[@jonasfischer9510]

Okay two things dont make sense here. Smoke wasnt hiding in the house to kill Sweet. Why would he try to do that with a baseball bat, and why even do it at the house at all, when he was apparently involved in the drive by at the funeral. Also, if he was planning to kill anybody at that house, he may as well have killed CJ with the bat right there, if he was planning on getting rid of him anyway. So there might be another reason for Smoke loitering around the house, maybe he tried to get rid off evidence for his involvement. Second thing is the Cluckin Bell drive by. I dont think Smoke knew about it or tried to lure the gang into this. Why the hell would he plan a drive by on a car he's sitting in himself. It also looks like a random encounter in the sequence. He does refuse shooting though to spare his secret friends.

[@mascarpone-1337]

There is one more reference regarding his hat. In western movies usually the character who wears the black hat is usually the villain. This is a reccuring theme as we all know in RDR2 Micah is the villain but there they switched the hats as arthur was wearing the black one. It could've been considered too obvious as for why they switched the hats.

[@Availableonyoutube]

In gta sa catalina will go to liberty city with cluade from gta lll

[@tyroglo]

Big smoke did stay on the opps shit which always through me off as a kid 😂

[@nba_demdons]

I love your videos man...keep up with the flames 🔥🔥🔥

[@DrModGTA]

Appreciate it!!

[@wackywolven6192]

I knew he was a baddie even in my first play through. Smoke was always disingenuous and two faced.

[@tomjose1723]

Big smoke never scold cj for wreckless driving.

[@COMBO_TATTALIA]

I like how he smash into the electric pole at 2:05 😂

[@SlamminRDixon]

You forgot to mention that when ryder said "somebody said they saw a green saber doing the work"(how cjs mom was killed), that very same green saber was revealed when big smoke opened up the garage for the two police officers.

[@zerodollarbird]

That's the reveal, not a hint.

[@SlamminRDixon]

@zerodollarbird yea you got it good job buddy 👍

[@yngstunna101]

I think reuniting the families is when ryder flips. Big smoke probably took him off and told him the plan and showed him the value.

[@deflacko]

I think this guy loves GTA

[@Jodie652]

if ryder really wasn't supposed to be a traitor becuz the VA quit, why they just don't make him go in a better way? like got assasinated by someone or else

[@josefonseca6772]

I know this is going to sound weird but I need this background music😭 its so catchy

[@piyushaware5155]

The Evil Always Ends..❤

[@normanski7041]

Good job :) never saw that so many years ago

[@popepisspot1675]

Smoke living so away from Grove Street in ballas territory was always something I found a bit weird but never thought much about it until the reveal.

[@Caelumization]

This game have a special place in me, good old years

[@mobilegaming298]

another clue was why couldnt cj leave town early in the game did crash wanna stop cj from going to places and finding the truth?

[@Voskos]

that was mostly a gameplay mechanic explaination I don't think it goes that deep.

[@buccX]

I feel like the first point wasn't a sign. If he was there to assassinate Sweet, he would have used a gun instead of a bat.

[@eagleyegamer9835]

"Ohh ma dog".... then he literally threw the baseball bat on the cj's moms picture. You can here the photo's frame's glass cracking.

[@MadPaperMario]

The dogs coming in at the end perfects the video

[@HSimon1981]

"can't shit without Tenpenny taking an interest" Big Smoke

[@kurumilover880]

it would only be logical to assume big smoke is ordering for everyone, notice how the first half of the order matches everyone else and the second half is for himself which is where they look back at him with disbelief and disappointment

[@altsrule2_vids]

love these videos!

[@DrModGTA]

Thank you!!

[@houseofpoops3115]

Reason 1: why werent they asking why big smoke did not attend the funeral?

[@WeArenotVenomous]

Already knew big smoke would betray cj cause when he was holding a bat i knew something suspicious

[@csho6512]

The guy was always talking to cops.... The frame, can always be fixed, but constantly talking to cops seemed pretty fishy lol.

[@ryderwilson7292]

The biggest mistake theyy made making ryder betray cj

[@EE-iv5ej]

And what I love is that, Big Smoke is just that charismatic. So much that we meme the heck out of him to this day for his odd eccentric behavior that is just loveably goofy, despite the dark motives behind it.