Why This Munchlax Is The Rarest Pokemon Of All Time

Today's Pokemon Deep Dive will zoom in on the Pokemon Munchlax, focusing on its mechanics in its debut game of Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. Munchlax is endearing and cute on the surface, but when it was introduced to the series the method required to find one was like nothing ever seen before. This Pokemon had unprecedented rarity, not seen in the past OR future.
In Pokemon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, Munchlax can be found in golden colored "honey trees" littering the region of Sinnoh. Like its counterpart Snorlax, Munchlax is only willing to come out for a delicious meal. While simple at a glance, the mechanics of these honey trees contains depths beneath the surface, and are the primary cause for Munchlax's extreme and complicated rarity.
On top of this, Munchlax is also an incredibly storied Pokemon, being the first Pokemon revealed for Gen 4. It appeared as a teaser in several games, like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon XD, and Pokemon Dash. People were able to get to know it before it was officially added to the Pokedex. And there's also the issue of the Diamond and Pearl Rival Barry, who has his own unique and frustrating story to tell regarding the little guy. Everything Munchlax and more is being divulged right here, so let's dive in.
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[@droomish1]

really hope you enjoyed this one folks! school and work have been wearing on me MAJORLY so it took way longer than I'd like, but hopefully it's more sweet droomish goodness! appreciate ya folks, honey tree wurmples on me tonight

[@generalwd40]

Good video, but I have way worse in these games than a normal Munchslax, one with the abilities Thick fat, 1/2 chance, with the nature you want, for me Adamant, 1/25, and if you are finding that too easy, shiny 1/8192 So the % of you getting this munchslax first try is 0,019÷2÷25= 0,00038% or 1/2632, with that rate he is not shiny. So good luck, and I can't wait to see Muncslax Shiny, Thick Fat, Adamant, from you, let's says at christmas ? I think that will be enought time ? Of course i'm joking don't try this, that is something that will make people crazy. 😂

[@samachu09]

If you didn't add so much tacky editing, sound effects and outdated memes, it wouldn't have took so long.

[@seven_sirens]

@@samachu09 let people have fun you oddity

[@davem5151]

Just subscribed! What a fascinating video. I had no idea about how difficult munchlax was to obtain since I bred a snorlax that I moved into my game. Also, I enjoy how you sprinkled in a few seconds of Cover Girl when talking about Barry's impatience.

[@stevenchen9552]

it’s obvious that a lot of love and attention was put into this video!! as someone who started playing pokemon with platinum and soul silver, i love all the little references to the games in both the script and clips! having dragonite use outrage while saying outrageous was a master stroke!

[@TheAmiiboKing]

I like to imagine that Barry tried slathering honey on trees exactly once and got Munchlax on his first try through sheer dumb luck

[@jorijoestar4998]

I second this

[@ryanmahon1]

Right there with ya

[@CommanderWiggins]

"What do you mean 'it's hard to find' I got mine first try! You just aren't cool enough I guess!"

[@Gloomdrake]

What about his Heracross?

[@SongOfStorms22]

@@Gloomdrake Same thing, different tree

[@Oneiroclast]

My brother running from a Munchlax because he was trying for Heracross will always be burned into my memory.

[@Onepiecefan95]

Especialy since Munchlax has a chance of Holding Leftovers.

[@NewJerusalemLark]

Ouch...

[@kalynholon2473]

Your brother is Pokemon Rusty

[@cristinasandoval8541]

I did the same, but I dont regret it. I love my heracrosses!

[@gobbagoo]

@@Onepiecefan95 i thought it was guaranteed? or am i wrong and happened to get lucky first try

[@babayaga20000]

The fact that they canceled the Azure flute event claiming it was too complicated for players to figure out yet left this in the game is just crazy to me

[@enoyna1001]

Even my grandma knows the Azure Flute argument was a lie. Their jap. release was so bugged that people glitched to Shaymin, Darkrai, and Arceus before they were even announced. That's why the team decided to drop the event item distribution in DP and go straight to distributing the Pokémon directly.

[@Metaltacola]

You haven't seen the hour long video on pokeblocks by linneus.

[@jettlucashayes8508]

that's not true, it was canceled because it could break the game due to an oversight in DP, they jsut said that to cover they're ass

[@DarkSoulsSauron]

the honey tree really feels like a mechanic designed for school kids and japanese workers who commonly play handhelds on public transit. the 6 hour time is perfect if you power up your DS and slather honey trees before leaving for school/work and then check on your way home

[@SAGGING_GUT]

I used to do my honey trees every morning before school and then when I got home I would run around and check them all. I knew "how" to get Munchlax but didnt understand at the time just how rare it was. If I recall correctly, it took me about 3-4 weeks of doing it every day. Couldn't imagine doing it as an adult now, lol

[@ShaftCommander]

That does sound pleasant for some reason.

[@dippindots7701]

If we really want to talk about rival lies, Barry having the patience to get a Munchlax is waaaaay worse than the Gen 1 rival catching 40 Pokemon lol

[@droomish1]

you know maybe you're right! perhaps his dad gave it to him or something, I never really considered that until just now

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

At least gary was honest 30 pokemon by 5 gym battles while blue...

[@fauxclaws]

personally I like the idea that he just got ridiculously lucky enough to get munchlax first try and he doesn't even know it's rare@@droomish1

[@oui7171]

I mean, he already has an Heracross too so nah, he definitely grinded some trees

[@Slashser]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 He also got 10 badges in Kanto somehow...

[@NoobyNoon]

BARRY IS impatient. So guess what? He’s not putting honey on the tree like someone with infinite time on their hands. HE’S CLIMBIN THAT TREE HIMSELF TO LOOK FOR THOSE LIL BLUEBERRIES!!

[@milo9805]

Real

[@PhoenixDening-cz5wd]

Or he just someone probably traded him and he got it that way

[@ClubPuguin]

Nah trading can take a bit long

[@steamboat3.14R8]

or just sprinted head first into trees to shake em out

[@lasercraft32]

Maybe the reason Barry is so impatient is because he spent all that patience getting Munchlax, and can't stand waiting around for anything anymore due to his PTSD.

[@lando-z4534]

Barry’s Munchlax is one of Gen 4’s biggest troll moments toward the player. Implying that even the impatient but lovable idiot Barry can get one, so it HAS to be easy, right?? Young me was so fed up with the 1% hungry gremlin that I just transferred my Snorlax from LeafGreen and bred it instead, never looked back. 😂 Yeah for the XD love! Loved seeing him in the game for the first time, the wait to get one before DP came out was insane.

[@droomish1]

it's really hard to put into words, it was just so tantalizing! seeing a new pokemon I couldn't have that no one else knew anything about either really felt special, pulled at my curiosity so hard

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Wait that means you had to wait to the post-game for Pal Park, no?

[@cartridgeglitch7987]

I love how after that scene at the lake, Barry doesn't run off screen like he normally does, he simply walks.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

The ol "Rival loses a fight and sulks for a bit" trope Pokemon has been doing since Gen 2

[@carolinedavis8339]

Barry: "Huh? Munchlax is hard to get? Caught it on my first tree, sounds like a skill issue buddy."

[@MIrfanPerdana]

This sounds canon.

[@snickers1577]

I read this in his voice 😂

[@EvanCzerwonka]

*Feebas in gen 3:* I'm the most challenging Pokemon to find in the wild. *Munchlax, one generation later:* Hold my Berry Juice.

[@Hollow_Tim]

Only people actually want to use Milotic and there’s no way get one without evolving a Feebas. Nobody needed Munchlax because who wants to use an unevolved Pokemon and you could just trade over Snorlax from FRLG or HGSS

[@88porpoise]

@@Hollow_Tim People that don't have two systems and games? And with munchlax you get a pokemon that was massively promoted at the time which will later evolve into one of the most iconic pokemon off all time. Also lots of people want to catch pokemon that are not specifically because of their ability in battle.

[@Hollow_Tim]

@@88porpoise But that's kind of pointless because if you're not using it for battling it's just collecting dust in the PC

[@88porpoise]

@@Hollow_Tim Or you are using a suboptimal pokemon because you like it. Or you like collecting them. Or you want to use a Snorlax in your playthrough.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

​@@Hollow_TimYou need to defeat the League for Pal Park though, so I can see someone trying their luck so they can get Munchlax on their main team instead of waiting for post-game.

[@capitainemmhenri1299]

My theory is that BIG HONEY made munchlax so rare to sell more honey

[@guardianblackdog8303]

underrated comment

[@k2a2l2]

TRUTH BROTHER!!

[@a-s-greig]

This aged well...

[@kyzo3958]

I like how you looked at the "Area Unknown" pokedex location and said "Where could he be?" while I was over here like "Welp guess he isn't in the game!" lol

[@trxxblx-wxs-hxrx]

Literally my thought, and at the time it’s kinda justified to think that

[@MiIIIapede]

Idk if anybody else said this already, but gen IV games requires you to at least see every Sinnoh pokemon, and from a gameplay perspective Barry having it makes sense. You'll see it in a mandatory battle, and all other mandatory battles don't necessarily need Munchlax

[@OswaldAurelia]

If only they had the same thought with Drifloon

[@gregorymirabella1423]

Still took me forever to find Ambipom because I walked past the one trainer in the game who had it.

[@toxicperson8936]

@@gregorymirabella1423that was me but with wormadam

[@lucarioshipper4498]

@@toxicperson8936Me with Porygon2 and that stupid snow trainer.

[@Roseatedramon]

Something funny regarding the whole “seeing every pokemon is required” thing is that my sister is missing exactly one pokemon in the pokedex, having not seen it yet despite it being in a mandatory battle. Because she’s never gotten far enough in the battle against Cynthia to fight her Milotic.

[@pikashroom1]

I miss the pokewalker so much. I left mine in my pocket when I was a kid though and it did not survive the wash. R.I.P. that poor Cresselia. They can't swim :(

[@droomish1]

cresselia has headphones in 😭

[@missingno1317]

If you didn't know, you can recall a Pokemon from the Pokewalker without having the Pokewalker by heading to the Pokewalker menu in HGSS and recalling it. You won't receive the items and pokemon you got from the stroll, but you'll at least have Cresselia back.

[@ryanmahon1]

I used to put my poke walker in my soccer socks so they leveled up when I went to practice. I felt like such a genius for that one 😎

[@thepokemonqueen]

​@@missingno1317 omg thank you I didn't know you could do that, I got my tyranitar back after years since I lost the pokewalker 😂 I had to press up + select + R to get it back

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

​@@ryanmahon1that thing must've smelled so bad after each session lol

[@knutemotorsport]

I remember playing Diamond back in High School, desperately trying to get a Munchlax. Every day, 3 times a day, I would slather 8+ honey trees. After months of failure, I gave up out of frustration. I ended up buying a second DS and a second game cartridge, and using the PalPark/breeding to get a Munchlax. Then, 14 years later, I started a Nuzlocke of Diamond...and got a Munchlax as my first honey tree encounter!🙃

[@luizansounds]

This is straight up absurd damn, did the munchlax survive the nuxlocke

[@knutemotorsport]

@@luizansoundsThere was NO WAY I was letting sweet Dakota die! She was an absolute champ, stood up to Cynthia, and made it to the Hall of Fame!

[@luizansounds]

@@knutemotorsport damnnnn that sounds absolutely satisfying in the end, I'm still floored at your luck lol

[@iamthehobo]

4th gen is the last time I filled out the entire Pokedex. When it came time for Munchlax I read the instructions for obtaining one, and then just bred a Snorlax holding a Lax incense. The alternative sounded like a nightmare and I've never heard anyone say otherwise

[@SheiinX]

Barry even gives you a double middle finger because he also has Heracross in addition to Munchlax. But maybe it's not that strange considering his father has Pokemon like Cresselia, Heatran, and Regigigas. It would be fitting that Barry also has the the skill to easily catch rarer Pokémon.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

....why do two trainers in sinnoh have heatran? his father and buck

[@Aaron-hv4hr]

@@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishidifferent heatran?

[@rainpooper7088]

@rinnnnnnnnnnrin Heatran is probably the legendary where I'd question the existence of multiples the least tbh. It doesn't even have a set gender, you can get both males and females based on chance. It's probably just a crazy rare species that cannot breed and therefore gets lumped in with the other legendaries.

[@garchompelago]

Its ironic how Barry, someone who literally has no patience, has the rarest Pokemon in the entire damn Region.

[@statboosts279]

i like to think of Barry getting his munchlax the same way as Silver evolving his Golbat, illustrating that he learned a degree of patience

[@ZunkleFunkle]

And the fact that he has a Heracross means he had to try multiple times to catch things from a honey tree!

[@paysherdue9064]

On the contrary, his impatience is what allowed him to find one. He was most likely running through every route doing everything he could because of his ADHD-like behavior. Slathering honey on trees as he ran through each route at light speed. He would check every tree due to his compulsive behavior and get lucky.

[@s.a.k.i7768]

The worst when I already found finding Heracross in DPP absurdly annoying...and then you got ''this''

[@leonchameleon]

it’s not about how your rivals view you, it’s about what you do by the honey tree, in the dead of night, when nobody is watching

[@canaldecasta]

I can't believe the pokewalker was free of charge. Right inside the box. Looking at you, let's go pokeball.

[@Gohka]

With what Diamond/Pearl? Because I had Pearl and mine didn't come with a pokéwalker? lol

[@stephencrawley2862]

It came with HeartGold and SoulSilver. Somebody didn't watch the whole video.

[@Gohka]

@@stephencrawley2862 Ohh my bad, I did watch the whole video but must have just missed that part lol.

[@brohanime]

yeah, because giving out a free physical item alongside a free game makes a lot of business sense. i'm sure their board of directors were like "hey, you know what would go great with this free-to-play game? a free physical item which costs us money to produce and ship to all our users!"

[@averagechannelname9969]

​@@brohanime"Let's Go" not regular Go

[@thenewdarling1]

After bonding with Munchlax in Explorers of Time, it became my favourite Pokemon in Gen 4. Just a few hours ago, I used the Snorlax I caught using this method in 2007 to defeat the Mightiest Mark Venusaur raid :') A Munchlax in a honey tree is a friend for life! \o/

[@droomish1]

mightiest mark munchlax... a friend for life... cherish them forever!

[@thenewdarling1]

@@droomish1 Aaa I will! I was so surprised when I pulled him back down - apparently I’d taken the time to get him all the ribbons in DP! (Only one Battle Tower ribbon tho.) He’s the first Pokémon I EV trained, so it’s very emotional throwing him into a fight with the “Treasured Memory” title ^^

[@Zooropa_Station]

Another possible reason for Game Freak's design philosophy might be as a spiritual successor to Mirage Island. Both the island and the trees are time-based events with extremely low encounter rates. They both have a baby Pokemon that was heavily promoted in other Poke media (Wynaut/Munchlax). And they both have a SUPER desirable item for "competitive" players: the Liechi berry and Leftovers (hold item on Lax).

[@enoyna1001]

Neat idea

[@rjskillz92]

Not only does Barry have a Muchlax, he also has a Heracross. He has TWO Honey Tree Pokemon.

[@MuncilJonathan]

The drought is over. All hail Droomish Drop Day

[@nobodyspecial2053]

Don't forget about feabass. Four random tiles that change daily in a lake in Mt coroner's caverns.

[@Joceyrachi]

Feebass isn’t actually that bad! Of course it's still one of the hardest pokemon to find, but if you have a method it's definitely much more reasonable than munchlax. I've caught one in gen 3 and maybe gen 4? If you want to just go for it all at once, you could of course check every tile in the respective locations one at a time, but obviously that would require a day with a huge chunk of free time. Alternatively you could spread it out over multiple days and check the same tiles each day. Of course that means it would be an undetermined amount of time just because it's banking on the one of the tiles being one of the few you regularly check, but then you're not overwhelming yourself all at once.

[@Avabees]

He has a feebas video. Thats how i found the channel

[@radaf4429]

Feebas doesn't even belong in the conversation

[@MmeCShadow]

At least Feebas doesn't demand that you wait 6 hours real-time before seeing if you actually found it, and then punish you for fishing in the same spot afterward.

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

He already made a video on feebas

[@ootdega]

After doing all the math, getting a legitimate shiny Munchlax through the game itself would take roughly *_three thousand years._* To unlock the route that lets you catch one in the wild, that requires walking roughly *_473 real life miles._* Pokégimmicks: Not even once.

[@teezee-x6k]

Not really, you can soft reset to get a new encounter with it during the time it is in the tree. That way you can easily reroll during the 24 hours after slathering honey :) Same goes for combee. Found a male one? Soft reset till you get a female.

[@garryame4008]

What a genuinely insane method. Who ever designed the honey process must have been insane and sadistic, lmao

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

That was basically the thought process behind a lot of decisions in the first four generations

[@SulphurBorne]

Diabolical

[@renegade6578]

Player: "Hey Podedex, where can I find Munchlax?" Pokedex: "Idk, good luck lol"

[@shogundy1]

Love me some long-form deep diving content. Absolutely another banger and will now be donating munchlaxes to the community.

[@Dukstless]

There's something funny about Selfdestruct Snorlax. It's also available in XD via Move Tutor, and in G5 they added the move to Munchlax's Egg Moves (and only Munchlax) if you have either XD or Winner's Path thing.

[@doughboywhine]

and the bunny gets the pancake...

[@mz3player]

I love the way you approach your videos, specifically how you mention how a franchise fan might have felt playing these games when they released and experiencing their jank firsthand. I hadn't really connected the Munchlax cameos to its absurd rarity, so I'm seeing a phenomenon I already knew about in a whole new way.

[@tabbender1232]

I wish there were more things like this in the newer games. Rare pokemon in general seem to basically not exist anymore, even shinies are common now

[@droomish1]

any time they do static one time encounters with a pokemon like snorlax or the hidden grottoes hits for me, it feels like the anime when there's a single special cool guy living alone in a forest or cave but not necessarily a legendary. there's definitely good ways to do this without being inaccessible, I agree!

[@88porpoise]

The problem isn't necessarily that it is rare. The problem with munchlax is that it is a massive, luck dependent grind that is often super frustrating. If I want a munchlax and it takes multiple weeks of grinding a monotonous task to reliably get one, that just sucks.

[@tabbender1232]

@@88porpoise I don't think there's a problem at all to be honest. You can do other things in the game while the honey trees are "waiting" and it's pretty easy to spot Munchlax trees because the encounters you're most likely to get will be different Munchlax comes with guaranteed free leftovers, one of the most busted items in the game. Being able to get leftovers potentially before gym 2 is absolutely insane, so yeah, it SHOULD be hard to do.

[@miimiiandco]

If they're breed-able, it could make for an interesting trade experience - maybe some kind soul would breed a bunch for Wonder Trade?

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

​​@@tabbender1232 This ain't comp, Leftovers ain't that impressive in singleplayer. And no, I'm glad they got rid of these unfair timewasters like with Feebas. Why do you want Shinies to be rare again? You're more likely to win the lottery than get a Shiny, when the only thing they offer is a different color. You really think that's worth it? I'd rather every Pokemon come in multiple color palettes, like real animals do.?

[@DavidArcher_]

24:33 To put the distance to unlock the final Pokéwalker route into perspective, if we assume an adult human has a stride of around 2.3 feet, you would need to walk 871 miles. In the UK, the straight-line distance from Land's End in Cornwall (the southwestern tip) to John o' Groats in Scotland (the northeastern tip) is roughly 874 miles. So you would need to walk slightly less than the entire length of Great Britain.

[@spagootest2185]

And they say Daggerfall has the largest game world, little do they know...

[@malachiatkinson7245]

Now in fairness, this is acting like you're going to walk the route all at once, which, of course you're not

[@TheHomieLew]

I enjoyed my hunt a few years ago. Sinnoh games aren't really the kind you typically want to binge at once, so even during breaks in the playthrough I made daily rounds to see what collection of mons I got. At the end of it I found two munchlax trees before Spear Pillar and added a fun Snorlax to my team with return/rest/sleep talk/metronome

[@juliansalazar2655]

Catching a Munchlax in Pokémon platinum might be my biggest gaming achievement ever!

[@DXHellfire666]

The moment you declared Barry the best rival I hit the like button. My impatient bum-rushin' brother is so severely underrated and underrespected

[@maneruloquendero]

10:01 Mindy does NOT deserve that

[@droomish1]

trust me the gengar will be worth it

[@StafkiGTN]

No, she does.

[@bluejay9248]

Just got this in my recommended the same day I finally got my honey tree Munchlax. I didn't use a calculator and didn't even look up tables, I just threw honey on all 21 trees every day twice a day for three weeks. The thrill of finally getting him was similar to when I found my first shiny, on the same game years ago. As a kid, I never would have found a Munchlax naturally. But knowing I finally got him is amazing. Welcome to my every pokemon form from their original generation games living DEX bud

[@Raddaman8000]

I can personally attest to the months-long adventure to catching a non-calculated Honey Tree Munchlax, as I had challenged myself to do so in my recent (not-Brilliant) Diamond playthrough. I had maps drawn out, Honey purchases were running my prize money reserves dry, and trying to plan the tree checking around a retail job gave it a tense, urgent feeling. But I did it. And I think the best part is that because of the 90% table respawn rate when you reslather the same tree in a row, alongside Munchlax spawns counting as their own table, finding one Munchlax theoretically opens the treasure trove, boosting its 1% spawn rate up to 90%- allowing you to easily re-farm it until it despawns. ...at least as easily as Honey Tree farming ever gets. You're never just hunting for a single Munchlax in these games. They come in PACKS. And I think that's a really neat detail not a lot of people, even Honey Tree experts, realize.

[@hibbs1712]

*Munchlax hatched from the ~TREE~*

[@codygurnick6405]

I'm 100% convinced that Rowan gave Barry the Munchlax he shows us at the start. No way Mr impatient did all that waiting.

[@jimboweezer]

17:05 your edits are always the best but I was NOT expecting a civ 5 reference in this video 😂😂

[@MZBFA]

I watched this video yesterday, then decided to go in search of a Munchlax in a new Pokemon Platinum save, I applied honey to the first 3 honey trees and after 6 hours I found Munchlax in the first one. Never had founded it in my entire life

[@weenierotini]

bro i think this is one of your best videos ever. excellent delivery & smooth editing are mixed together in this one like a delicious chocolate-vanilla swirl. also you really captured the way i played gen 4 as a kid (daily chore simulator, i printed off literal manuals of daily event details on the school computers in COLOR because im a fiend with no respect for the taxpayer's money)

[@Peter-xj1wq]

This Pokémon sent me down towards a spiral of trying to complete the Pokédex out of spite as a kid.

[@Cheerybelle]

Barry caught almost every Munchlax in Sinnoh. That's why they're so rare. His boxes are filled wall-to-wall, floor-to-ceiling with Munchlax.

[@arthurlaurencon1697]

I just did the math, 2 millions steps is around 1 500km, that's like the distance from Paris to Gibraltar

[@DroolingLizard]

Man, the pokewalket is the best peripheral ever

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

I never bothered filling in the Pokédex growing up, so I only checked the requirements for breeding a Munchlax, like, yesterday. And today I checked, and yes, I have a Full Incense. Now I just need to send up a female Snorlax from my childhood FireRed. I bred a few of them because I knew they were rare.

[@Kahadi]

On the topic of Barry having a Munchlax as a way of beating the player, I would love it if in a future Pokemon game, they gave us proper rivals for other aspects of the game beyond battling. They sort of did this in gen 3 and in gen 6. In gen 3, May/Brendan focused more on completing the Pokedex than battling, to the point where your last battle with them is before Mossdeep and they don't even have their starter fully evolved. And in gen 6, you're technically given a few rivals with Calen/Serena acting as the main rival while Shauna, Tierno, and Trevor act as secondary minors, with those three having goals aside from battling. But they don't really act as barriers to your progress like your normal rival battles. So what I mean is having a rival that actively challenges you in Pokedex completion, maybe sometimes blocking your progress until you surpass them, and always showing off more difficult to obtain Pokemon, like version exclusives or low encounter rates or even normally unobtainable by that point. Even give them rare forms or shinies. Then, to top it off and annoy players, let them taunt the player with pity trades for such rare and elusive Pokemon. Like "oh, you weren't able to catch a Munchlax yet? I've already found several. I suppose I could trade one to you if you really can't find your own." Then piss off players even more. Until the post game, all of those trades are one time offers. Said no? Didn't have something you're willing to lose, or the Pokemon they specifically requested? Too bad, you missed out. Again, until the post game, where you can find them offering all of the trades you missed and more. Have all version exclusives available for trade only for other version exclusive, but have rare Pokemon and forms available for trade for anything, and add in reactivity for those, where if you trade them the same Pokemon, they respond, taken aback by you having actually had the Pokemon. Something like "oh, you had a Munchlax already." Just imagine, you're going through your adventure and suddenly this guy's like "oh, you only have 12 Pokemon? I've already caught 40. Are you even trying? The professor wanted us to fill out the Pokedex, remember? I'm not letting you past until you have more Pokemon." Then later he's like "oh, did you manage to get this Pokemon? It's really rare, only a few people have seen it. No? Well, I have six. I suppose I could give you one." Or even "oh, did you know that some Pokemon have different colours than others? They're really rare. See?" Before showing off some a shiny Pokemon with a low encounter rate.

[@SongOfStorms22]

Easily the most sane and logical explanation for Barry having a Munchlax is that Palmer had at least one Snorlax and a Full Incense, but the alternative is much funnier because you can get into really fun conspiracy territory this way. If Barry does it legit (allowing for 1 hour of real time to get to the first honey tree to be absolutely generous) and if the player can reach the Lake event in under 13 hours at most then Barry must have got a Munchlax first try on any of the trees you can hit by 7 hours in, and most realistically the first…6 trees? I don’t even want to try calculating the odds of that. Taking into account that the fucker also has a Heracross…I think the ar in Barry actually stands for Action Replay (and if you’re speedrunning the game it definitely does) Anyway, great video, just subscribed recently after binging your past stuff and it was really well worth it!

[@thewritegrump]

16:12 Was that the first few beats of RuPaul's "Covergirl" or am I going actually insane Also, amazing video. I love the different topics you decide to tackle in your videos! I played D/P/Pt growing up and never knew how the hell to get a Munchlax until I was watching a Let's Play where the player explained the ludicrous lengths to which one would have to go to get one. I knew then and there that I would never be obtaining one in those games. XD You're right, though, the game makes very little (pretty much no) effort to guide you on how to get a Munchlax of your own; they just dangle one in your face in the Barry fight without explanation.

[@funnelkaek]

it was! threw it in there for those who know💅

[@kekchanbiggestfan]

I love rare Pokémon like this because the fact that it’s unreasonably tedious to get for an individual player is the point. Even at that fraction of a percent chance, a lot of players will still find it randomly. It’s great for a series that’s designed around the social aspect of trading. A lot of self centered people seem to really dislike these features because they feel entitled to whatever rare reward they might hold, but I really love them because when things don’t always revolve around you specifically, it makes the world feel deeper and more immersive in my opinion.

[@JuliusBriggs]

and some people decided to shiny hunt this…

[@solismax65]

I mean once you learn how to breed it, it’s easy

[@solismax65]

Munchlax is easy to get via breeding. Trying to get him in the over world by the trees is what almost impossible

[@RyuuseiBoy]

And to add insult to injury, he doesn't only have Munchlax, he also has that fucking Heracross

[@wygolvillage2637]

I never bothered with the trees, I just traded a Snorlax over and bred it with an incense to get a Munchlax in Platinum... I not only cheated the game, but myself. My honor is forever stained.

[@Hollow_Tim]

How is outsmarting the game (and everyone that wasted time on these stupid trees) cheating?

[@wygolvillage2637]

@@Hollow_TimI'm mostly joking. It's a meme phrase; the joke is that I took the easy way out while others suffered.

[@rilluma]

10:46 clearly the lucky tree has some pixel different shapes than regular tree. so there is visual difference.

[@petsounds3612]

Your videos higlight such unique and niche topics in the franchise. Thank you Droomish for your passions and research!

[@Lennyraptor13]

Imagine something like that happening again today. A Pokemon that has so many appearances before it comes out in the new generation and then it's almost impossible to catch. I managed to get one in platinum this year after half a year.

[@TheSkinnyZ]

You are such an unmatched story teller, it’s insane! I could listen to you for hours!

[@TheSkinnyZ]

I need to get myself a copy of Platinum and finally play it.

[@TheSkinnyZ]

Also gotta check on my Diamond version where my Munchlax/Snorlax is from. I have a full Pokédex over there with only a few event Pokémon cheated. 🥲

[@RobotHunter1234]

Considering Barry's dad is Tower Tycoon Palmer, he could have also gotten help from him to get a Munchlax

[@ericbogacz6274]

I love that you put the Sopranos pokemon card scene in

[@funnelkaek]

Pure cinema

[@chozora]

I had no idea about the Pokewalker's connection to Munchlax, very comprehensive video!

[@DarkBaronSengir]

My head cannon is that Barry got his Munchlax on the first try and isn't even aware that Munchlax is all that rare.

[@Hokaru11792]

Honestly Barry probably just headbutts into every tree as he is always rushing around, and one probably fell on his head lol

[@eles_quintero]

When the Pokewalker segment came up I was like, bruh this child's play. But then remembered my Elekid's been there for a week at 9999 watts

[@Regolith]

"I thought the azure flute would be too confusing for players." -Junichi Masuda

[@A88mph]

All of that random chance, all of those low percentages, and you know what the funniest part about Gen 4 Munchlax is for me? My brother used honey on a random one, and got Munchlax on the first try. So we presumed it was a common.

[@MrHitStick]

a droomish video saves the day, everytime

[@TheDenssy]

In 2007 I was quite obsessed over pokemon diamond to the point that I captured almost all pokemon you could capture in an isolated game file (no gts, no trades, no 3gen transfers) except for two pokemon, the great marsh kangaskhan and mf munchlax, only god knows how hard I tried, I farmed honey trees for almost two years with no results, the thing is, if you are ignorant of the deep intricacies of this bs mechanic (I was) you can totally screw your chances to get munchlax (I did), then platinum came out I was playing the game first day get to floaroma town and windworks valley smear the trees in those locations and call it for a day, next day I got two freaking munchlax one in each tree, my first and only thought about it was that maybe they made it easier to get munchlax in the trees because they knew how bs it was to get one back in D/P. I didn't understood the galaxy levels of luck I had that day until several years later. never catched that kangaskahn in the great marsh though

[@anthonydixon4429]

Part of me is starting to think that Heartgold and Soulsilver were made with the sole purpose of giving people access to Snorlax so they could hatch a Munchlax and stop wasting their time with Honey trees.

[@the3dluxe53]

You just know there’s exactly 1 person who won the lottery and got a munchlax in their nuzlocke. I envy that person immensely.

[@GaybrohamStinkton]

He caught the overworld obstacle one. You were too far behind. Also he charges everyone and rents children to check trees for him

[@actualtrash3912]

I love your editing style

[@Poliwager]

Like many others, I migrated a Snorlax from FireRed/LeafGreen and bred it for myself and my friends. I'm glad you dove into those other ways to get it too, because some people online now act like 0% of people playing Gen 4 had a Munchlax ever because of how hard the Honey Trees were. :P

[@FrostedFrills]

My very first honey tree encounter was a munchlax. I wasn't able to catch it and never found another... I had no idea how rare they really were at the time and knowing now makes the whole situation more devastating... Simultaneously the best and worst luck

[@Magnemite_]

you can actually tell if you've triggered that 10% (9% on munchlax trees) chance for no pokemon to appear without waiting the 6 hours by just pressing a on the tree again after slathering it, making your odds go from 1/100 to a whopping 1/91. certainly didn't stop it from taking me over 3 months of checking at least twice every day to get mine, and i'm going to do it again in the future to shiny hunt it i really like the idea of the honey trees, but they REALLY needed some explanations in the game. maybe even a barely noticeable difference in the appearance of the munchlax trees compared to the regular ones as well. the 90% chance of getting the same table again if you slather the same tree you most recently got an encounter from is the worst part by far, since that's generally how you would go about doing it (plus it adds a ton of time to the routine of doing it over and over) and it's an easy to miss but critically important detail if you're trying to get one using a guide all this in mind, this isn't even close to the rarity of the actual hardest single encounter in the series to find, mirage island wynaut. thankfully it's not really the same thing since you can get wynaut multiple other ways in hoenn without trading, meaning munchlax is still the hardest single pokemon species to get in a single game with no trading, but mirage island does also have a completely exclusive item along with it as well. 1/91 every 6 hours has nothing on the 1/10,923 per 6 pokemon per day that mirage island has, but that doesn't stop munchlax from being really hard to get and interesting to talk about as well. fun video

[@VeteranOJ]

It did say that the Pal Park high score was Barry with 2000 points... What if he just transferred Snorlax from Kanto and bred using Ditto too? 🤣

[@ave-taka]

A few years ago, I completed a living dex in Platinum. I had to use HeartGold for a few Pokémon (namely the Johto legendaries, the Kanto starters and Zangoose, since I didn't have FRLG or Ruby), but I really really wanted to get myself a Munchlax in Platinum, instead of doing it the easy way. I don't recall if I used the calculator or not, but the shocking thing is that I managed to get myself a Munchlax in *record time*. I'm talking like, the first time I checked the tree in Route 207 - I believe I actually did not use the calculator because I would slather every single tree in the region with Honey those days, so it was insanely lucky that I got it. I would've absolutely committed to the grind if I had to, since I had to beat HeartGold three times (one for each Kanto starter), so it didn't bother me to take quite a while in getting all 493 Pokémon, but nonetheless and obviously I am very grateful that it took so little time! Munchlax really is a special Pokémon. I think its existence is kind of baffling and yet how rare it was in the Gen IV games and how much it was pushed before said games' release, both make it so appealing. I'd love to use it in a Gen 4 playthrough, one day; not in BDSP though, that game lets you have an easy Munchlax if you so please, in the Grand Underground. I think it's also pretty neat that Gen 9's DLC had a minigame where, on the hardest difficulty, you'd be gifted a shiny Munchlax - and it was so difficult that it ended up being nerfed in updates after the DLC's release.

[@Forged4War206]

I don't think Barry having a Munchlax is meant to be that deep or meant to be a reciprocal to Barry's spastic personality, I'm like 99.9% confident he has a Munchlax because they just wanted another excuse to show off the Pokemon that was essentially the Gen 4 poster child at the time lmao.

[@thisismyaltaccount4195]

Great video! Loved the use of gen 4 assets and sprite work. I've gotten a few munchlax from my Pokewalker over the years, but I've yet to take the time to hunt one in DPP. I just might try it soon enough. XD Been having a blast going back to 100% Gale of Darkness, and the Munchlax that raids your pokespots was pretty memorable. Can't wait for the next video!

[@eurydiceshadowcry]

I love the way you talk about these games. Makes me remember the little things of why I love Pokemon. I also gained a new sense of appreciation for Barry from this video. I think it’s time I replayed gen 4. Anyway I’m off to keep binging your videos. ❤

[@PhAyzoN]

But the Azure Flute would be too confusing and hard to understand.

[@AL-nv4gk]

Honestly that's an excuse for Azure Flute and the HGSS event I'm convinced they were afraid of the response to the theology of it given the response from Christians in the past I'm sure of it at this point.

[@ShinyGBZ]

This isn't really a hard hunt but as a kid Tornadus was so damn annoying for me as a kid cause I already used the masterball on Cobalion, and having to go route to route to try and catch him was so tedious, but it felt so rewarding once I got him, especially since they gave him a new form in B2W2

[@Schalaster]

I imagine that Barry just got Munchlax by randomly bumping into a honey tree

[@Lainyofthewires]

Droomy your script writing is so hecking great

[@joshhelton2007]

Through the entirety of this video I was thinking about how I bred one on HeartGold specifically to trade to Platinum. Glad you mentioned that at the end lol

[@ANIMEJESUS8]

"Spend days searching for a munchlax? Couldn't be me" -Barry

[@mighark54]

The worst part about the honey trees is that the encounters in them are for the most part very weak, and the ones that are actually worth using are the rarest. One time I wanted to use Cherrim in a playthrough, and not only did I have to jump through hoops to get it, but after all that effort it was a pain to fight with. I never even bothered with Mothim, Wormadam or Vespiquen (which requires you to soft reset for a female Combee too btw) and after my Cherrim experience I surely never will.

[@tabbender1232]

Vespiquen is alright stats wise. Its main issue is... bug/flying

[@choc1156]

My most hype moment in a pokemon game was a couple years ago when I encountered and caught a munchlax while doing a nuzlocke of platinum

[@Clockehwork]

Love to see some Barry appreciation. I've always considered him the best rival, & with the common view being that any rival who is the player's friend is bad, his excellence always gets ignored just because he's not a jerk.

[@barethor5869]

I always hated him because he was obnoxious, and I could never image being friends with someone like that.

[@sunnywaffles]

This video inspired me to take out my diamond and set up for a hunt

[@irupana2ify]

Dude your editing just keeps getting better

[@MrProfDrHoff]

Given Barry also has a Heracross, he’s definitely storming everywhere in a hurry doing the honey trees.

[@clairebit]

Not related to the video, but so cool to see you spike in subs lately! I remember subbing not too long ago and you had maybe double/triple digit subs. Fantastic work!

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

I literally got this on my second honey tree ever. I just wanted a Combee. I should go continue Platinum actually now that you remind me

[@AhmedX8]

Would you believe that I'd been watching your videos for nearly a year before subscribing? You clearly deserved the subscription way before that since you had a top-class 2023. Here's to an even greater 2024, droomish!!

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

Maybe Barry is like me. I got this on my very first tree with literally no knowledge on how this works. I wonder what the odds of that are.

[@ianfinrir8724]

Literally 1%

[@NightKev]

He showed the number for that in the video.

[@TheDuzx]

I wish we had more Pokemon teasers these days. The most memorable to me was getting the Lucario statue in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. As a kid it was a huge moment when I first saw the statue of this Pokemon I had never seen before and it would probably be hard to do this exactly now, but I think they should try it.