Triggernometry Hosts Konstantin Kisin & Francis Foster Play Spectrum Street Epistemology

[@drpeterboghossian]

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[@jswets5007]

Everything is about religion, because religion is about an individual's world view, not whether or not they believe in God.

[@RaefonB]

@@jswets5007 Hmm, not sure I'd agree with that. Don't religions and ideologies have to involve an element of faith to count as religious, whereas an individual's worldview can (often does not, but CAN when it's not ideological) be based on tangible proof?

[@dabidibup]

⁠@@RaefonB​​⁠​⁠​⁠If you dig far enough into a worldview there’s a leap of faith. You may think it’s an obvious leap, but how can you be sure you have enough tangible proof to make that leap? Confidence/faith Most examples would lead to a “oh so you’re defending [insert atrocity]?!?”

[@RaefonB]

@@dabidibup I'd agree that within every individual's worldview there is likely to be some stuff that involves a leap of faith. But outlooks/opinions on some issues can be fully-informed by hard data/tangible evidence. So I still disagree with your original statement that "everything is about religion" because how you're defining religion is foggy to me and the statement seems too all-encompassing. If you were referring solely to the discussion in the video about the Israel-Palestine conflict, I might be more inclined to agree; did I misunderstand the original comment?

[@redfro4992]

you earned a sub here

[@tallchick1966]

Three of my favorite people! Long live critical thinking, free speech and and open dialogue!

[@ivywoodxrecords]

That konstantin guy tries so hard to be tough but hes such a douche lol

[@rosemaryjanerichmond]

Not see the last trigger doc with Doug Murray being an arrogant sanctimonious prick claiming all the street protests are anti semitic and the Israeli government is justified in destroying Gaza even if Hamas is an unelected junta ….

[@txDDS]

Easily Peter's best vid I've ever watched. Shows how people can disagree about things without feeling attacked personally.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@TheVeganVicar]

@@drpeterboghossian, you are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology that supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is arguably the foremost existential crisis.🌱

[@katking6820]

@@drpeterboghossianagreed

[@dimercamparini]

Because it was done between ppl that actually want to debate and discussing different ideas and points of view...and not just simply shut down the other side or talk without litterally knowing anything on the matter, like all woke ppl do, putting lived experience and feelings way above facts and logic...

[@txDDS]

@dimercamparini yeah those 2 individuals who had the opportunity to come over and say their point of view to a massive audience refused. The left does not want to debate their ideas and beliefs but rather they want to live in an echo chamber of single thought

[@triggerpod]

Thanks for having us!

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

May these two be together forever. They are a fine example of human relationships. And PB is wonderful.

[@garyfrancis6193]

Peanut butter?

[@ranellnikora48]

​@@garyfrancis6193is delicious

[@anynimus1617]

Easily the best 40 minutes I've spent this week. Intelligent, thoughtful answers from two men willing to admit when they felt that they were not informed enough about something. Brilliant! Can't wait for more.

[@MattAngiono]

I feel exactly the opposite... Only a few minutes in and such ridiculous answers. They seem to be shaped by so much propaganda rather than reason. Maybe that's the case for you if you're not listening to the other side of the arguments. These comedians need to stick to comedy. I used to watch their shows every week, but on this issue they are terrible. Same with the Ukraine War

[@steph3997]

@@MattAngionoI agree answers straight from bbc news 😂

[@RaefonB]

@@canyonsand I agree with you that evidence should be provided for these claims. But he's probably labelling them as comedians because they both were stand-up comedians, Francis still is, and their podcast (the 'RAW' episodes, less so the interviews) is a comedic take on social commentary...?

[@tracycroll4325]

Not intelligent. Very naive answers sometimes!

[@Nylon_riot]

​@@MattAngionoConsidering it was an opinion exercise, I would be interested to know the propaganda claims. If you recognize it, you know the source and misinformation. Or is propaganda code for opinions you don't like?

[@2trichoptera]

The Lebanon was a majority Christian country, Beirut considered the Paris of the middle east and after they charitably took in Palestinian refugees, things changed. Within a decade saw the country destroyed, Christians murdered & leaving became majority muslim. There was no support from Christian nations, the Israelis provided a safety zone on their border for Lebonaese Christians. Same with Jordan, took them in & they wanted to ditch the king, help then came from Pakistan. Probably answeres the question as to why Arab muslim states decline to take Palestinians in, say they are a deslabilising element.

[@lincolneinstein]

Man, this was great. Please do more of these with well informed people. It’s the kind of debate we need.

[@TrebleSum]

I truly love it when my fave creators come together to colab. Everytime the TriggerPod lads visit America, we (the viewers) get such a treat in different content & Peter visiting England here is absolutely doing the same thing. Peter, I am (as always) so very intrigued & appreciative of your videos & dedication, thank you. Your street epistemology has become a firm fave way for me to sincerely attempt to listen to others opinions & understand why they hold them. Edit- Cheers to all involved for a great, thoroughly enjoyable & interesting convo! 🇬🇧💫🇬🇧

[@MrBloodcore]

This is a beautiful example of 2 people who don't necessarily agree on a heavy topic having a mature discussion about it. I also feel like they aim to enrich each other and not "win an argument". Obviously these two know each other well and they made the possibility of having these discussions their life's work but it's beautiful to see the result of that work.

[@thibauthanson7670]

That look at the end, "screw that, let's do abortion" is perfect. Can't wait for part two, keep up the good work.

[@Alipotamus]

So happy that KK brought up Thomas Sowell. No one else explains this world as clearly and logically without emotion-just facts like Thomas Sowell!!

[@MattAngiono]

It's not like Thomas doesn't have a bias. There's a reason for the phrase "cherry picking" Evidence isn't proof. Remember, there's alternative evidence on many issues. I'm not saying he's wrong about everything, but be careful, he definitely is pushing a worldview

[@crominion6045]

What a treat. Konstantin and Francis always manage to be both thoughtful and entertaining, and this discussion was no exception.

[@MattAngiono]

Except for them being wrong about so much! I say this as a fan of several years. They've lost me here though. Just propaganda essentially, or they've been duped into believing it

[@rogerward801]

​@MattAngiono What were they wrong about and what is your evidence?

[@MattAngiono]

@rogerward801 Well, I already answered this, but KZbin deletes comments it doesn't like. Just answer me how "Hamas is the problem" and how "this would be solved if we get rid of Hamas?" How is that possible? Can you get rid of an idea? Did the war on terror work? Why, then, is there still terror happening? Why was there conflict in Palestine before Hamas came into existence in 1987? They ignore all these points, obviously, so how can we even have an intelligent conversation about the conflict?

[@rogerward801]

@MattAngiono They did not put all blame on Hamas. They also acknowledged that it wasn't a religious issue as Muslims and Jews had been living side by side for centuries. It is a territorial issue. A 2 state solution has been proposed by the Jewish side several times but turned down by the Palestinians. The extreme Palestinians want it all and are not willing to accept a Jewish state

[@MattAngiono]

@@rogerward801 that's factually untrue. They didn't accept an unfair deal... Look at the numbers of what was taken and what they were offered. It was completely unjust. You would reject it too if it were your home. But it's ISRAEL that won't accept a fair deal. Also, explain how a 2 state solution is even possible.... Gaza and the West Bank are NOT CONNECTED. So Israel is going to separate the state of Palestine? Are they going to let Palestinians come and go freely? Are they all of a sudden going to stop being racist? Also, you didn't answer my previous questions.... How can you get rid of Hamas? Will another resistance not take its place? Again, you can't really talk about this intelligently without at least acknowledging the occupation and the consequences of that!

[@calmon-ground962]

Prior to viewing this, I saw a clip of a UK citizen being arrested for criticizing migrants for flying Palestinian flags in his neighborhood.

[@AndyJarman]

And others being caution by the police not to fly the English, or even the British flag.

[@hughmac13]

@@AndyJarman Link to the clip?

[@Suitcasehandle]

see a few of these recently

[@Alipotamus]

The state of Israel is disliked if not hated by most other Middle East countries because in spite of it’s size it is highly successful and democratic. Jealously is a factor

[@ams914]

Jealousy and Jew hated. Like always.

[@calmon-ground962]

It's delightful to watch people who really get the concept to play!! Thanks guys!!!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@whateverman4945]

Saw Konstantin on on Chris Williamson and instantly liked him a great deal. Francis grew on me a bunch on this ep., even after watching many Triggernometry episode since Modern Wisdom.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Peter, it’s so good to see you joining with other big names. As long as your SE method isn’t a household term, it’s incredibly underrated. I think it will catch on as long as you keep reaching out

[@drpeterboghossian]

Reid and I are doing our best! We’ll be putting out some great new SSE content soon!

[@H.Hardrada]

This is the crossover of my dreams!

[@yeildis4943]

Totally agree! 🎉❤

[@DreadRaider]

We will need a bit more of this collaboration. Well Done Gentleman.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@alexandragrace8164]

Wonderful, Peter! Thanks for interviewing the boys!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@SunnyBuoy1]

Boghossian's debate model/system is purdy cool.....well done PB..

[@lonewaer]

I was _not_ expecting this collab, but I guess it makes sense. That was super interesting, glad there will be a part 2.

[@universalsoldier2293]

PB, another great episode with two of my favorite gents! FF and KK are really funny, but also incredibly thoughtful and honest. Looking forward to seeing P2!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Much appreciated!

[@sketchybuilder]

This format has to be one of the best I have witnessed. It tables good questions that then allows for nuance and perspectives to be given AND developed - something seldom able to be shown in general back and forward 'argument' in a panel situation. Well done all of you.

[@martinbajsic4836]

bravo Francis… takes balls of steel to stand behind these convictions at the moment. ✌️

[@EliahHoliday]

I think the reason why you don't see people who represent the woke Left engaging in open discourse, aside from merely regurgitating talking points that are fed to them via social media, is that 1) they just want to be right and validated as such regardless of whether it has sustainability in the real world, 2) they are too lazy to invest in actually thinking thoroughly about an issue, 3) they feel more empowered in blind anger than being humble before the truth.

[@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953]

Very true. They don’t know why they are so emotionally supportive and invested in the cause nor can they accurately and concisely describe it or give current examples.

[@Offdawalldevall]

I love seeing this done with ppl who can actually disagree and converse still

[@fabiofredregis]

they barely disagree.

[@snorgonofborkkad]

This is so cool. Very smart to maintain the format. You want to bring people to the street. We've had enough of talking head interviews.

[@SassyHippo]

I love seeing this format with intelligent people that continue to discuss and ask clarifying questions. They then articulate their position, belief, or view of the topic. No crazy diversions. They also contemplate the question before responding rather than spouting off random crap they’ve heard.

[@RaefonB]

Shout-out to whoever brought everyone a coffee at 19:23 😃

[@CrudelyMade]

the english don't dislike the french for religious regions. the germanic tribes didn't sack rome for religious reasons. Genghis didn't conquer the world because of religious differences. wars in japan weren't mostly because of religious disagreements.

[@Elric451]

I absolutely love Peter asking these questions. I love how he is so curious about it all. And so willing to explore it.

[@theinnerlight8016]

You got these two moving so much in just one video, they can skip cardio today. 😉

[@drpeterboghossian]

Ha, true!

[@aplcc323]

Intellectual honesty in a fruitful debate (so far), thank you for the epistemology!!!

[@juliangarner56]

Great stuff! There's always been a tendency to underestimate Francis; much of the time he only pretends to be a blunt instrument! Here he shows his edge. Brilliant questions. Five star content.

[@keksimus__maximus]

What a great, engaging and thought provoking conversation. Really strong material

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thanks

[@jojolina7]

Three of the most thoughtful and reasonable guys on YT. Love you all.

[@milesteghades]

This was incredible. Thank you. Taking a nuanced position and honestly showing your reasoning and be ready to change your mind is always a pleasure to see.

[@infinitelyexhausted]

Thought I'd watch first few minutes of this - here I am 40 minutes later.

[@Ola-fh1er]

same!!

[@jlbenedicta]

So fantastic! Having the Triggernometry guys play shows how well the game can work when players want to be rational (including acknowledging the limits of their knowledge) -- more, please!

[@HeyUncleJack]

Three of my favorite people having a favorite type of conversation of mine. Chef's kiss.

[@jennyj0007]

Love KK n FF. They represent us regular people trying to figure out what the hell is going on in the world, through a bit of humour too.

[@ZakJames]

Can't wait for part 2

[@ScottStOnge]

An excellent example of how well this discourse works.

[@johndillinger5142]

What a treat, 3 of my favourite people having intelligent and enlightening debate. Thanks guys we need your wisdom now more than ever.

[@matthewnorris4402]

Good to see a Triggnometry head to head!!

[@lanishx8935]

This kind of public conversation is so desperately needed between 2 good faith actors.

[@cosmodrifter]

What an interesting discussion Peter! It's always great to see Konstantin and Francis as well so a discussion between them regarding your questions was such a thrill to see/listen to. It's great that you have street epistemology with both passerbys and also like this.

[@SuperHamhed145]

Would it work if politicians debated like this? Really love the style of this interview/debate. Mind blown!

[@robertmarshall2502]

Imagine if our political leaders had to do this as a live debate. I feel like voters would be far better informed and we would get a visual representation of when they just didn't answer the questions.

[@garyfrancis6193]

They wouldn’t play because they would have a sudden attack of gout.

[@MykeWinters]

There has been plenty of visual representation of when they just didn’t answer the questions, there’s just too many “blind” people out there No offence to registered blind people meant

[@pedanticlady9126]

Hmmm... wasn't sure what to expect of this one. Found it surprisingly interesting. The questions and the way they were framed pulled me in. Thinking about how I would answer them myself. I was intrigued by the way KK and FF each thought about each question. Attempted to give reasons for their thought processes. Agreed to disagree on some issues, and recongnised and were open to a valid argument. I didn't always agree with either or both but could see and understand where they were coming from. Sometimes, because I felt a bit more knowledgeable on some of the facts and background. Sometimes, the reverse. When one or other, or both, seemed to have a better knowledge, understanding, or argument, that made sense to me. I enjoyed the format and the way Peter challenged them to explain their reasoning. Look forward to Part 2. 👍👋

[@RaefonB]

Same here, didn't agree with all that KK and FF said, but their willingness to be transparent about their thought processes and logic behind their stances is what we need to see more of in the world. And Peter's format and style of questioning was, as always, an essential factor in helping that back-and-forth to flow calmly.

[@BalloonInTheBalloon]

Look kids! People who sometimes don't agree can get along!

[@gardengirl6636]

Well done everyone! Intelligent conversation!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@marthamydear5869]

Love this. Thank you for helping me keep sane ❤

[@EcosseOuiser]

These three guys will disagree but still end up in the pub for a pint! That’s how things should be! 🍻

[@pabis6817]

Yep- absolutely love all three of these men. I’m much more hardline and feel the situation is much more dire and we need radical change to separate these intolerant ideas from our high trust and tolerant society before the intolerant cause more damage and completely destroy our way of life. We are entering the point of no return, we may already be there. People have to wake up!

[@craighart9278]

Sadly, I agree. 😢

[@Gorbyrev]

Eye for an eye limits the bounds of retributive justice in a tribal system that is prone to feuds where revenge can quickly accelerate. Excellent conversation.

[@derkatzenfuerst6077]

I have watched Anthony Magnabosco applying your method years ago and he really mastered it, but I have to say, I'm very happy to see you doing it yourself in this format. Involving two people in the discussion and illustrating their different viewpoints is really helpful. In addition, one-on-one SE always had the risk of leading to a confrontative argument, I feel like this format puts you into a moderator role and helps to avoid confrontation, making people more open to reflect on their views.

[@thecrazyenglishman1066]

Wonderful, thank you Peter. Watching, thoughtful, intelligent and caring people wrestle with the horror that is unfolding before our eyes , is like water in a desert. This also has moved me to dig deep into my own soul, before opening my mouth.

[@MiniatureMiss]

Three excellent men in the podcast space. Wonderful to see the cross-over and engagement. Enjoyed listening to the thoughtful, measured, and considered answers to some common questions concerning the Middle Eastern conflict at this time.

[@paulo1787]

Absolutely eye opening….wonderful 👏

[@aquariuschick77]

Keep on doing these please. Keep showing how civil discourse, reasonable debate, calmness, politeness and above all how important critical thinking is. It may feel like cycling, wash, rinse, repeat while trying to get through to our woke indoctrinated youth, but this content stays and will be watched, even by silent observers and they will sit and think. I once spent a day with you several years ago in Orlando and was too afraid to open my mouth about all my thoughts on what was happening in my atheist group regarding social justice warriors. Now seeing your work I wish I had. Thank you for all you do.

[@CecilBaringtonSmythe]

I will be attempting this method with some of my students. Fantastic!

[@edgar9651]

Three intelligent people talk to each other. Nice. Unfortunately, that does not happen too often these days.

[@allyourbase888]

Wow! Awesome idea for a colab. ❤ Triggernometry and Brown Belt Boghossian. 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️

[@moniquenew]

I know it’s not insightful.. but I didn’t know Francis was so tall! 😮

[@parastoogolestany]

What a awesome idea to figuring out of this conflict from different perspectives, I love you guys and keep up your good job 👏🏼 ❤🙏

[@carlospedrofreireify]

Thank you so much. This is a very good interaction. You become richer watching people like this.

[@davidgardner4779]

I love all three of you guys and especially seeing you together!!! 🙏

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@steelcurtain187]

It was a pleasure listening to these fine and intelligent chaps. One of your best discussions yet!

[@TiniestLion]

Loved this! Nice to have some intelligent participants. There have been several participants in recent episodes who are either blinded to opposing arguments by their religious beliefs, or seem to lack the capacity for critical thinking. Great discussion

[@Grimscribe732]

Francis stance on a chant like "From the River to the Sea" is incredibly naive. Other than that, keep on doing what you're doing, chaps.

[@ContraNovae]

This is the mashup we never expected but thank you so much for it!

[@100vg]

Good point on why Daily Wire is not a fair replacement. We need a Totally Unbiased media (ALL of them) to Fairly and Impartially cover EVERY side of EVERYTHING happening around the globe.

[@honestlyforreal6304]

This should be broadcast on public television.

[@patrickpaganini]

Very interesting, thanks guys!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you!

[@seansteel328]

Congrats to Konstantin for being the only one to take the lid off his coffee to take a sip. 😂

[@TheQueenrevolution]

Definitely needed more than these two on this episode IMO. While they disagree here or there...

[@chrisjackson9626]

Brilliant work fellas!

[@chillgruber2371]

Respect to KK and FF. Two good guys

[@fixed-point]

I don't think wokeness is on the decline, I think it is still rising. But I also think anti-wokeness is more visibly on the rise. I don't know which is rising faster.

[@johnbialoni2062]

I enjoyed this greatly. I can't help but feel that I want want some sort of separate recap video for these sessions in which Pete summarizes his thoughts about the session, as well as adds additional clarification/explanation for key points of the session. Maybe I am missing something. I am relatively new to the videos, having seen them intermittently over time.

[@jacobl.s.9467]

Brilliant 😎👍 This should be shared to all real Freedom Lovers and Critical Thinkers.

[@OhParq]

Semi biased questions. Would’ve been good if you asked them questions pertaining to both sides. Regardless the format was well executed. Was a bit wild to see strongly agree for the question regarding military taking care of limiting civilian casualties.

[@formulaic78]

One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Hamas were mostly elected due to disatisfaction among the people of Gaza with how Fatah managed their daily lives (rubbish collection etc) and with the perceived corruption of Fatah. Support for their charter, while not negligible was far from a primary driver for voting them and the vote was much closer than the seat allocation reveals.

[@helenn6061]

And they've had no chance to vote for anyone since 2006

[@cookiedoughdynamo2747]

What I absolutely love the most is how Konstantin and Francis are able to steel man opposing arguments and take them down on the merit. This to me is the essence of critical thinking.

[@zeno2501]

"I hate to sound like Jordan Peterson here but it depends what you mean by peace." So good.

[@bobpowers9637]

Would be great to see more famous friends of yours doing this. Thoughtful and honest. Camille paglia and Douglas murray next ?

[@katking6820]

Brilliant exercises.

[@kellycarter4944]

Boy was that interesting. I love how some of the discussion could be quite nuanced, which in my opinion is sorely lacking with most people.

[@dorothyclark8680]

LOVE these guys!!!

[@kerryhaynes4639]

Brilliant piece of work cannot wait second part

[@chocoburg]

Thanks for this!

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thanks for watching!

[@TinkerersMind]

Excellent 👍

[@sallyfield3169]

Absolutely brilliant

[@HeavyK.]

7:35 1st Ammendment (in USA) does not allow for calling for killing people nor thratening to kill people.

[@jswets5007]

1984 is about 1948. Every year is 1984 and 2024 is the epilogue.

[@Nylon_riot]

We are under a wartime economy and propaganda. Yes, it has been Marshall law since about 2014. But it isn't for malicious reasons. They are doing it because they are desperate to save us. Everyone, I mean everyone is on board, that's the seriousness. Not like missle wise, but seizing control of shipping and the shipping economy. It is the South Pacific theater again. Remember the lengths they eent to , to obscure information for WW2. They have been brutally honest about the threat we face from China. It is absolutely existential. Pacifists don't win wars so we are being engineered into a wartime state. It is am interregnum.

[@gregthebaritone]

2020 is temporally the same distance from 1984 as 1984 from 1948.

[@petergumz2034]

3 of the best folks doing this work.

[@amineamine58]

This is a very good and interesting concept. I think a very good point that could have been discussed is the issue of the illegal settlements in the West bank. After Hamas is destroyed it's gonna have to be the next problem to tackle in order to achieve peace in the region.