Why Are We Glorifying Insanity? - Konstantin Kisin (4K)

[@ChrisWillx]

Hello you beauties. Get a free list of my 100 favourite books - chriswillx.com/books/ Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 How the Online World Rewards Victimhood 16:04 Overcoming the Challenges & Limitations of New Media 21:01 Konstantin’s Thoughts on His Viral Sam Harris Clip 32:40 Bud Light’s Straw That Broke the Camel’s Back 40:29 What People Are Misunderstanding About Being a Man in 2023 47:09 Why People Struggle to Advocate for Men 57:18 The Solution to the Masculinity Crisis 1:05:02 Society Thinks Shocking Internet Videos Are How Everyone Acts 1:13:04 Theo Von & Other Podcasters Defrauded $4 Million Dollars 1:17:13 EU Flags Hijack ‘Rule Britannia’ at the BBC Proms 1:24:41 Our Loss of Trust in Traditional Institutions 1:33:17 Historical Ignorance in Radical Climate Alarmism 1:39:06 Sense-making in a Confusing World 1:48:05 Using Ancient DNA to Bring Back Ancient Species 1:50:53 Konstantin’s Thoughts on AI’s Advancement 1:55:36 Predicting the US 2024 Election 2:00:43 Live Shows & the Future of TRIGGERnometry 2:18:55 Where to Find Konstantin

[@themeangene]

Friendly reminder Sam Harris just admitted what everyone knew: the 2020 election was rigged. He's not decent for justifying destroying this country

[@daMillenialTrucker]

Thanks dad

[@HerzogVonMartian]

1:50 This is why I say the N-Word all the time.

[@glomesocial]

Can we glome you Chris? We want to copy you as AI glome and let your fans chat with him

[@romankeller9054]

Great conversation dudes. You do seem to fall short at one point though: not only should society not want men to be unnecessarily swimming upstream - society is absolutely dependent on having enough men functioning sufficiently or better in order to provide the most basic infrastructure for societies: power generation and distribution, water supply, food by way of farming, construction of public infrastructure, etc etc. Men keep the lights on.

[@a2d]

There was a point where Chris disagreed with Konstantin and rather than get indignant or immediately offer a counter argument, Konstantin asked him to unpack the argument and talk through it so they could gain a better understanding. That right there is what we need. It's something that you just don't see with online discourse.

[@Thelakeside1]

This comment should be read by everyone!

[@ros1520]

100% I was very impressed by this and it is what we need!

[@craigg5051]

Well said. This was a fantastic interview.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

He's growing. He's gonna be quite a presence on the world stage. If he stops talking about Ukraine.

[@mattswain552]

Online and in person, sadly! Too many are quick to disagree and shut down the conversation rather than listen and learn...it's not about forcing the other to change their opinion, but to better understand different points of view and hopefully come up with a suitable solution for all.

[@triggerpod]

Thank you for having me on the show!!!

[@ChrisWillx]

Really enjoyed this one mate. Appreciate you

[@dianedean4170]

Konstantin, your insights are very important, and your ability to articulate is excellent. I really appreciate your conversation with Chris😊🎉❤

[@donmongoose]

Could have happily watched another 3 hours of you two talking, Trig needs to get Chris on their show now to give us more.

[@aksks762]

Always enjoy you and Frances too! 👍

[@Ruprecttt]

Thank you both for doing the show! Excellent conversation, boys. Simply excellent.

[@alexandervanlohen4229]

What a decent, well spoken, intelligent man. A highly appreciate his non polemic way of speaking, his clear thinking and the wise conclusions.

[@xMiNdWaRpx]

It's a big shame you can't have conversations this deep with the people who are part of the problem.

[@George-vf7ss]

They won't listen, and you'll never change their minds.

[@tylergray4443]

The fact they don't have these deep conversations are why they are part of the problem.

[@elvisleeboy]

​@@George-vf7ssAgreed. They can't hear anything over their own 'look at me' screaming.

[@JM-ig4ed]

I thought the same thing. It occurs to me that most of these podcasts - and I listen to most - are just people with similar views saying the same things to people who also think the same as them - rarely is there anyone interviewed who are responsible for what is going on. Many of these podcasters have more viewers than mainstream media - time for people in charge of these things to become guests.

[@sharonalbanese8084]

So true. The problem is, they wouldn't agree because they know they can't back up their actions with good explanations.

[@fostermoody]

The "you're just at home?" part about Konstantine's wife really hit me, because my wife who just had a baby is feeling the same thing without anybody saying anything to her that crazy, but that sentiment is in her head. I can see the conflict in her, because she really doesn't want to go back to work but feels like she needs to, and not even for lack of money, just because it's so ingrained in her that she needs to have a job. I keep trying to gently coax her into the idea that, no, you don't need to go back to work if you don't want to. Raising our kid is the most important thing in the world, and if that's what you want to do full time then I'll move heaven and earth to support that. But that cultural programming that mothers need to do it all is a damn tough tick to remove.

[@cleverkittn]

Raising children to become independent, responsible, intelligent adults is the *MOST* important work there is. It’s heartening you understand and support the reality that this is best accomplished and most fulfilling for all by both parties being a provider in different and equally important ways.

[@CSAcrazy]

They need to do it all except raising the kids is the culture idea. Being a mother is last on the list of trendy accomplishments of women

[@sanniepstein4835]

Dumping kids with strangers from birth seems downright cruel. I'm grateful my mother didn't.

[@davidnguyen270]

She might just want to go back to work. Being a mother.... sometimes...is not pre-programned in to women/men. A few of my friends wives were MORE than happy to get a break from motherhood. Nothing wrong with these women. Might want to have an honest convo with her and support her if she just hates being a parent. Many do. Going to work helps them regain something

[@fostermoody]

@davidnguyen270 she's flat out told me she dreads the idea of going back to work. She spends a lot of time trying to figure out something she could do to make money at home, even though we're not that hard up for money, even with the economy as it is. She's just never not worked a job as an adult, and she struggles to view motherhood as a valid occupation because of messages from the culture at large, which she has also flat out told me. We've talked about it, if she wanted to go back to work because she got lots out of it aside from money I'd be on board for that too, but sadly that's not it. Everything from the culture at large denigrates motherhood as a downgrade from career, and she struggles to break herself from that notion.

[@greenstevester]

I feel like 20 years ago when this medium of conversation was non existent, that human intellect was never displayed in such volume and ease as it is today. Technology combined with your level of conversation are key in this revolution. Happy that you’re doing this, happy to be alive witnessing this.

[@amossymindset]

As a software engineer turned stay-at-home mom come December when our first is due, I couldn't help but tear up when he talked about his wife. It is so refreshing to hear! I feel so thankful every day my husband works as hard as he does so I can do everything in my power to have a healthy & calm pregnancy and then raise our child and provide a wonderful home for our family. It took so much work & budgeting but we both knew it was a priority. Thank you for having Konstantin on! It truly made my day!

[@OkTxSheepLady]

You are starting on the adventure of your life, hopefully establishing a good path for many generations. You will be called on to answer the hardest questions of mankind by a child who won’t accept politically correct answers. Simple things like “why are there bad people in the world?” and “why do things and people I love die?” Mothering is not for the faint of heart.

[@grannyannie2948]

Having been a stay at home mum decades ago, it's my experience that other women criticize you, not men.

[@grannyannie2948]

@@JerryStevens Thankyou that's kind. Now I babysit the grandkids because their parents can't live on one income. But atleast I can spare them going to daycare.

[@DJRockford83]

​@@grannyannie2948they only criticise because they've been brainwashed to think that women's value is just in their paypacket

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Enjoy your child. Their childhood is so short, and you never get it back. Your job / career (or one similar) will always be on offer / out there. Best wishes.

[@holliesaraswat6241]

We have been able to balance our lives such that I stayed home with our now nearly (17 and 19) grown children. I will forever be thankful to my husband for his sacrifice and hard work. Being a SAHM has been the most fulfilling thing in my life. I was recently at a party with someone discussing what changes I might make now that my nest is nearly empty. I said I wasn't sure. "Don't you have any dreams," she asked me. I was stunned. I thought a second and said- I lived my dream. I feel a little bit like I'm being downsized, I feel a little laid off or semi-retired. Not sure what to make of it, but I regret absolutely nothing.

[@mrspress8057]

I hope the person on the other side of that conversation REALLY heard what you said about having lived your dream. That was a wonderful response!

[@mariaguzman1552]

Good for you, a job is just a job but your family is everything.

[@Cloudopatra]

Grandchildren will breath new force into your life . If no grandchildren , you will find a place in your community .

[@JS-jn8ku]

I get it, stayed home until all were in school, then worked in the school district they went to. That way I could be home when they were. Also blessed to have a husband that worked to be able to have that happen. Nice post.

[@direwolf6234]

time for some new hobbies and pursuits .. reward yourself ...

[@advancedbasicsAB]

Gosh I am liking Konstantin more and more. What a man of strength, integrity and compassion. We need more like him

[@wallybingbang4350]

“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realise this, and you will find strength.” ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

[@ken-mb5cp]

“The mind is a good servant but terrible master” Fortune Cookie Wisdom.

[@xlr555usa]

Society - Social Media = Cognitive Dissonance

[@whysoseeriouss]

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Especially youtube comment section." ~Abraham Lincoln

[@zxyatiywariii8]

​@@whysoseeriouss😄😂👍

[@Cafez27]

@@ken-mb5cpwrong the mind the intellect is the only master

[@resilientrecoveryministries]

1:00:00 I was born with a congenital heart defect. I was excused from gym class, never been on sports team, and I am undoubtedly going to die earlier than most. Imagine if I had complained that the world was structured against me. Instead, I rejoice with those that can do things I can't. Don't resent people. Pray for them and that they be blessed.

[@midwestribeye7820]

My 75 yr old husband was also born with a heart defect, no PE or sports allowed. He was also never bitter, instead he poured himself into realty and made a good living. I'm so blessed to have my hard-working, intelligent husband.

[@Duececoupe]

I wish you both many, MANY, more joyful years! 🤗❤

[@midwestribeye7820]

@@Duececoupe Thank you!❤️

[@midwestribeye7820]

@@Duececoupe Thanks. God bless!

[@Duececoupe]

@@midwestribeye7820 Right back at you!

[@johnmaclean1112]

HUGE respect for two very intelligent people having a communicative conversation, where both sides were permitted to speak completely, without interuptions, without baiting or directing, without constant speaking over one another. Two gentlemen who I can easily, readily and enjoyably listen to, whether I possess equal or opposite pov.

[@ItsTheMunz]

This guy is the living embodiment of critical thought. A dying breed in the current landscape.

[@marcingaladyk]

Yet cannot grasp the idea of wet bulb temperatures in Pakistan or India.

[@steven5054]

Living embodiment of a propagandist.

[@liamhenderson3753]

If it's propaganda, what's his agenda? ​@@steven5054

[@mikecriticalthinker8805]

He nailed it… wholly and completely nailed it… “Being responsible is disincentivized.”

[@barboglesby2162]

Being responsible is no longer centivized, but it still gets one ahead, if they are responsibly focusing on one's own business, family, and obligations. Do expect accolades. Just get ahead.

[@jamiekarila3167]

Konstantin is awesome. I always appreciate hearing from him.

[@mariannaioannou9158]

Konstantin is such a clear thinker and a clear speaker. These are quality conversations. A great listen.

[@xhorxhi77]

Genuinely he is one of the most well rounded individuals of the new media, I really think his Sons birth has had some real solid effects on him.

[@martineden8389]

he left Russia for western liberalism, so he should be happy now

[@TheBuckeyeJeff]

From a Gen X retired military man who grew up witnessing some of the changes in society that have occurred since the 1970s when I was a little boy, this talk laid bare many truths I have thought about. My experiences include living around societies outside the United States and coming to learn how our relationships with each other fit together globally, as well as "tribally". Human beings are familial and tribal by nature, we always have been, and we always will be. The Western world tries to ignore that, and that ignorance is not working out very well. Thank you for this discussion. It is a lot to think about.

[@lloydbraun6026]

Totally agree. I’ve been saying this for a long time. History and human nature have shown we will side with those who look like us especially in a pressure situation. Even the leftist professor who wrote Bowling Alone came to the conclusion that diversity causes distrust and destroys social cohesion. The author, disturbed that his worldviews of multiculturalism and multiracial were shattered makes the mistaken argument that through rationality we can change the mistrust we have towards others. The elites tell me I’m racist or xenophobic but I argue I’m a realist and realize it’s human nature to self segregate and prefer to live amongst people who look like me and have the same heritage and traditions.

[@sylviam6535]

If you served in the Middle East, you know that they care about family, tribe and religion. Nation does not mean much to them.

[@marktyler3381]

I never served, but I watched my home city become a dangerous place from the 70s onwards. I had to leave. We all did sooner or later. What sympathy do we get for being ethnically cleansed? None.

[@nigelwilliams8191]

Countries are arbitrary lines in the sand drawn by bureaucrats​@sylviam6535 tribes are regional communities and those regions were controlled by tribal elders, it morphed over time, by civilization and gentrification to create boundaries where we can live in safety.

[@Andrea-HeIsKing]

They are being social engineered that way. Pushed by those in power who want more power. It's called divide and conquer. Not new. People are like sheep ( most).

[@andersmful]

I always enjoy thoughtful conversation where people can openly disagree and instead of getting combative, immediately probe where the differing opinion comes from. That's where we learn the most.

[@HomelessHomeowner617]

This is facts. I was homeless and drug addicted and finally took the reigns of my life and am now, five years later, I'm on the cusp of happiness and home ownership. Stewards of our own happiness.

[@anitacornelius6208]

God bless you!

[@frequentlycynical642]

I discovered this quote on a card at my AA meeting: "The gates of hell are locked from the inside." I work in a non-profit and the life mistakes many of our clients make are so obvious. Do you know what the biggest cause of poverty is? Fucking. How many adults do I see that could be self-supporting if not giving in to impulse. And the thousands of dollars worth of tattoos, and cigarette smoking.

[@Grace-ms7un]

Bravo 👏 good for you.

[@Phenn5589]

Great! Never give up.

[@helen9289]

well done to you deciding you were not a victim of your circumstances in life & changing things for the better ........victimhood is a terrible disease in our society .....people need to realise that they are responsible for their own happiness it can never come from others or outside circumstances ........wishing you all the best of everything in your life

[@johnrogers6990]

Great interview. Chris mentioned "tyranny of the minority" a few times. That reminds me of a great line in "Chapterhouse: Dune" by Frank Herbert: "The tyranny of the minority cloaked in the mask of the majority." I think that is what is happening in the U.S. right now, and it's probably at a global scale too.

[@jacobmatthews7524]

this has been happening for years. its the same old thing marx was talking about, strangely enough. in the old days it was a gulf between nobility and peasantry, then the nobility was abolished as the peasantry split into the mass proletariat and the elite bourgeoisie in a replication of the same divide. We still have it today. the bourgeoisie, which conservatives call the elites, have their own culture, and the proletariat, which conservatives call the silent majority, have their own culture. elites control corporate and government academia so they produce allies to fill the corporate and government ranks. elites control corporate and government media so they control the proletariat's perception of their own culture and their worldview, wokeifying much the proletariat and making the dissenters think they are in the minority. elites control corporocracy and government bureaucracy so they control who gets what job, and if you do not express elite culture then you as a proletarian are excluded. and finally, they control government itself, which gives them control over laws. this elite culture is found across the west and is uniform, which is why they can all go to Davos and agree on everything. it's cultural, it's in vogue to be woke amongst the elite and much of the masses. and meanwhile, just like the old marxist bourgeoisie, they really do want you to be a wage slave who owns nothing and goes nowhere while they enjoy top-level luxury.

[@beefybmw9532]

The news has been doing this since before 2000. The news reports on the minority controlling the majority.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@jacobmatthews7524 Well, yes and no. Marxists weren't against nobility as a concept, they were against not being included. And they "fixed" that, now a handful of banks owns everything.

[@direwolf6234]

in the US the top 10% controls 80% of the wealth .. that's all you need to know ..@@jacobmatthews7524

[@patrickmorris3721]

@@jacobmatthews7524 Brilliant fair play to you. It’s unbelievable how all the governments in America Canada Australia New Zealand and all the countries in Europe. Are identical to each others in every way and I’ve noticed that back in 2012. Look, talk, dress, act all the same way. That’s not by chance. 👍

[@walterramirobeckmannvaca3309]

Podcasts like you two, of course, cannot solve problems directly, but through your work, you spread the right information and gets people to open the eyes. Thank you for your work

[@cappehnkrunch]

Agreed, the more someone says how good and moral they are and that they're a champion for the people, the more evil they are.

[@DeKnight95]

I don't think it's that cut and dry. I think some evil people do try to appear "Good", but so do truly kind people who may be well-intentioned but misinformed

[@danielrogers6862]

I do see this a lot it's like a cult of psychopaths on the Internet who follow these psychopath leaders who care nothing about their audience only their own well being and power. I've fallen for this some examples are pickup artists, spiritual manifesting gurus, self improvement gurus, politicians, and more. Most people are sheep and easily manipulated and can't tell the difference between good and a cult leader

[@StimParavane]

The first step on a spiritual path is learning to shut up.

[@angelo.florescu]

If you tell people what they want to hear, instead of speaking the truth, you’re just an imposter, and the internet is full of such people. You can attract a bigger audience by understanding what people want to hear compared to speaking the truth. This is what most politicians do. To discern imposters from real ones, we should take a look at their actions.

[@justachannel8600]

@@DeKnight95 The thing is there's a limit. Humility is one of the trait that good persons have (because at the very least: humility => being thoughtful about what you do => not paving a way to hell) and humble persons will advertise far less than vain people. Hence if you see someone putting a lot of effort into showing off their goodness you can generally assume that they are not.

[@pamelahall7614]

My two favorite Podcaster. Actual dialogue, humor, disagreement, respect. BRAVO!!!❤

[@leslielandberg5620]

I’ve always been a complete outlier, and never or very rarely have I ever felt that normative society was somehow oppressing me. I simply found my own people that I had something in common with, and got on with it. Our kids need to learn that skill of self-sufficiency.

[@PierreLabounty]

This self sufficiency Is precisely the aim of victimology. Now you have at someone else's expense so they think.

[@enricolucarelli816]

Listening Konstantin is an incredible experience for me. It’s like someone reading my mind and speaking it out, only much much smarter and better articulated than what I can ever even dream of.

[@paramidge8935]

Wish Chris didn't keep interjecting everything his says with 'fuckin' it makes him appear weak as a presenter.

[@Teal_Seal]

KK did a great job of explaining why conservatives responded to certain things the way we did - Bud Light, Gillette, Sam Harris… But as many interviews as Chris does, I’m surprised he wasn’t already aware.

[@lisakurak3733]

I quit my job in 1996, stayed home and raised our daughters. We were fortunate that I was able to stay home. It's the hardest job you'll ever have. Reading children's books to them and watching juvenile tv shows, there were times that I felt my brain was turning to mush. But I am glad I did.stay home. We have 2 successful, compassionate adult daughters that I am very proud of. If I had to do it all over again, it would be the same.

[@Tehrawrzorz]

The world appreciates your dedication.

[@Benboy1980]

Wow you were waaay ahead of the curve mate! I’m doing it now, both girls are 5 and 4 yers old. It’s crazy, there’s hardly any other guys doing it. Both parents work and people seem to outsource the parenting. Cost of living is pretty high now I suppose 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@crackwh0re911]

How many times I've watched Elsa or cars.. or Bolt.. yeah.. It was a nightmare.. but a really happy nightmare! 😂😂😂

[@jennyj0007]

Now, you can sit back and relax. My husband said if we never see our kids as adults that means we raised them well.

[@aninsidestory]

Ditto

[@kathiefleming2830]

Kisin is not only a great guest, author, speaker but a great thinker and a much better podcast host.

[@helen9289]

why am I not surprised that he was/is a comic ...articulate & deep thinking & fearless about speaking their truth.... seem to be characteristics of all great comedians

[@neatwheat]

@@helen9289 "their truth" is kind of a weird phrase, though

[@wyzasukitan]

@@neatwheat”speaking THE truth”, there all fixed for the OG commenter! Innocent slip of the tongue I’d say though, the whole ‘my/their truth’ is inescapable in modern vernacular. Regardless of your stance on truth vs perspective, it’s kind of like being in a foreign country and picking up the accent …we’re all starting to speak in the woke tongue even if we don’t believe it

[@neatwheat]

Sometimes it's like in "The Emperor's New Clothes" these days." 😆

[@marksauck3399]

I’m a lover of old movies. I mean movies from over 70 years ago that projects cultures before we ever called the “West” the “Western World”. Those movies of post war world that changed so much because of WWII. There was an evolution of change in the 20th century greater than any other century and it’s something young people just don’t understand because they never had any curiosity about it and didn’t want to learn. I believe these old movies can teach a lot as visual time capsules showing how different generations thought. About what they thought. Both in what the stories in these movies are giving and the thinking of the movie makers of that time. Times when ethical codes had to be followed like two people, men and women sharing the same bed. Both in TV and movies. These things might seem trivial but it’s healthy to look back and see where we came from. That way we might understand better on where we’re going.

[@Jess.E.17]

I love that Konstantin quoted Thomas Sowell 👏🏽❤️

[@malachiholder351]

Most intelligent man alive imo

[@plakey2001]

Chris, I consumer 30-40 hours a week of podcasts/interviews etc, and gotta tell you this is one of the best pieces of content I have ever listened too

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

The gym dress situation has gotten absolutely ridiculous with the "butt scrunch" shorts. The idea that women are somehow in the right to be able to wear what is basically lingerie if not very actual fetish wear in public but then demand no reaction to that reminds me of Dave Chapelle's take on it: “The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true, Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. But ladies, you must understand that is fucking confusing. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.”

[@anthonydowney6069]

Quoting Dave Chapelle shows how you need the protection of an institutionally protected person to get your point across.

[@OkTxSheepLady]

Women flashing “for sale” signs and then pretending to be insulted when men react by wanting to get some of the action are disgusting. What do they expect? Respect isn’t what they are fishing for.

[@umiluv]

@@OkTxSheepLady- I wonder if they would dress that way at a women’s only gym. 🤔

[@davidbooher5559]

@@umiluvthey refuse to go to a women’s only gym. That’s the irony.

[@theperfectbeing]

@@umiluv I worked as a trainer for years and on a number of occasions I had to actively tell the women "wear proper clothes, you're here to get stronger as an athlete, not to have your ass cheeks hang out. At no point in time should your tits popping out of your shirt be a consideration during sandbag drills or a power clean". It's extra ridiculous if you realize the meme about women always being cold compared to their bfs but then at the gym say they need to wear booty shorts and a sports bra. The big jacked 225lb guy is eating 5000 cals a day and wearing a full sweat suit (pump cover) and the 130lb women are eating 1800 cals and doing most cardio are somehow "warmer". In the end it's all excuses used to justify garnering attention from specific men and intimidating female competition.

[@Tkramer27]

I am not the same person I was during the trump years. I spent the epidemic learning things I was blissfully unaware of. I am thankful for these platforms. They educate and elucidate. People who claim tic toc is the way have missed how long form, deep conversations help flesh out ideas and political issues. I am a huge fan of Chris and Konstantin. I am better informed as a result of their podcasts and I am grateful for their intelligent interviews and platforms. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart! ❤❤❤

[@midwestribeye7820]

Same

[@Tehrawrzorz]

Agreed. If you can't flesh anything out, all you have are skeletons.

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

you relaise though that theyre just presenting their worldview though right? they might have long conversations and use long words but in the end thats all theyre doing, youre not a free thinker for watching these podcasts, youre just someone who has heard a bunch of stuff from someone.

[@Tkramer27]

@@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate the problem with your reply is that you assume I don’t read books, papers, attend lectures and try to get as much info as possible. These guys are actually very good at presenting complicated topics and getting great guests to elucidate the issues they’re discussing. Long form dialogue is way better than tic toc or specious articles referenced on fb or x.

[@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate]

@@Tkramer27 i might have agreed with you once upon a time that long form dialogue is better, but i have my doubts now. these long form talks have been popular for ages but are people getting smarter thanks to them and are we improving as a society? no and definitely no were getting worse. with these talks it all depends whos doing the talking and whats being said. if its just serial Iiars meeting up and spewing Iies for hours on end with no pushback then what good is that? il be honest i dont know much about these guys other than that they certainly present themselves the same way a lot of misinformation artists do. i mean who the heck calls their outlet "modern wisdom cinema" if youre calling yourself wise then the chances are youre not. it reeks of propaganda. the same way jordan peterson has classical music for his intro, wears tweed jackets and uses lots of long words. its completely style over substance

[@Im_B9ite]

Brilliant conversation guys. So nice to hear people talk with each other instead at each other.

[@Zekian]

Konstantin Kisin constantly killing it.

[@forestpump3]

you mean Konstantly

[@lamontdexmusic]

waheeyyy 😄@@forestpump3

[@danielrichardson4868]

I see what you did there

[@CostcoguyBoom]

That’s a little bit gay but okay I’ll let it slide

[@LamelKendrick]

let it slide up the rear@@CostcoguyBoom

[@1ooAcreWoods]

I'm at 59:58 in the podcast. I'm an American millennial, 37yr old male, married with 3 sons under 5. I don't want help from this crack pot, broken society. I will persevere, protect and provide for my family in spite of this society.

[@joecoolioness6399]

Exactly. I earned my "white male privilege" by working continuously since I was 13, doing dirty low paying jobs until I built the skills that someone wanted to pay real money for. I didn't demand upon fear of striking, ridiculous amounts of money because I breathe. If someone else can learn your job in a week then you are not worth a lot of money, sorry. And now there are those that assume I was handed everything because I am light skinned and have a d*ck.

[@ohgary]

Good luck with that.

[@lks6248]

Perhaps it was ever thus…..? Our societies have never been perfect and always dangerous in some ways.

[@CJ-ft9yo]

Konstantin is beautiful to listen to, as if he forms all the random scattered scraps of your heart and head thoughts into a clear and substantial understanding. Jordan P has flashes of brilliance but mostly I don’t understand him.

[@kateredhead7334]

It's great to listen to ambitious, intelligent young men who are making plans. I wish them both well.

[@Saltatory_]

Dunbar number. Humanity is built to live and cooperate in small groups where we have mutual knowledge and mutual responsibility. The social media transition to everyone knowing about everyone all the time has made us insane. Return to living and behaving in smaller groups is the solution. Or, if you are a policy wonk, "subsidiarity".

[@mermiez1]

Nailed it. 2 hour podcast summed up in a single post.

[@stephenandrewsrealestatevi7138]

Jean Jacque Rousseau phylosophy...👍👍👍

[@manwiththeredface7821]

Maybe the world would be better if we all returned to living in citystates...

[@flyingwombatazazz6736]

Pandora's box is open and there is no going back. We as a civilization is to collectively evolve thinking to move forward. Easier said then done. Unless a CME hits.

[@meltingintoair7581]

Really what’s needed to countenance our Dunbar origins is to acknowledge to the need for community. Community is what is lacking more than just too much social media awareness of all people everywhere. The undermining of community is the result of radical negative liberty and the resistance to positive liberty. This negative liberty is the result of the total domination of the psychopathic economic elite, who cannot afford for ordinary people to have access to the wonderful power of community.

[@LH94680]

It's really good to see this level of conversation and introspection reach such a large, receptive audience. The future of western civilisation depends on discourse like this becoming normalised.

[@jellyrcw12]

Konstantin Kisin is a well measured voice! Love his show. We need people listening to him

[@TheDionysianFields]

So far, he seems like another pseudo-right-winger (like Chris). Two peas in a pod here, no diversity of opinion.

[@jellyrcw12]

@@TheDionysianFields and you commented because? You don't really provide any contrary evidence

[@TheDionysianFields]

@@jellyrcw12 I provided precisely the same amount of evidence you did.

[@jellyrcw12]

You're the one making a claim, you need to support you. I stated an opinion. I've watched a ton of his stuff, he works hard to be a balanced voice. How is he pseudo right wing?@@TheDionysianFields

[@TheDionysianFields]

@@jellyrcw12 How is he a well-measured voice when everything he says skews libertarian? The thing is, I like the guy. But he's just too much an ideologue for me. There's no balance here whatsoever because both guys are cut from a similar cloth and leaving out a good part of the (human) story. We DO need some of Kisin's cold pragmatism but we also need some compassion and understanding. Some leniency for being human. I wouldn't want to be his son because I think he'd be one of those dad's who holds everyone to an impossible standard. He also comes off as having a chip on his shoulder. Inviting a woman--and I mean ANY woman on the planet--into this conversation would have made it far more balanced.

[@buzzshruman]

It's like banning plastic bags...yet nearly every single item sold by manufacturers is wrapped in plastic....yay, what a victory for humanity!

[@Joemakatozi1776]

I just grab a couple plastic fruit bags from the produce section.

[@Duececoupe]

I love shows like this, this is one reason why I don't watch TV! I wish you a continued success, to never run out of interesting, enlightening, content! 🤜🏻🤛🏻🍻

[@designforlife704]

Best advice my grandfather gave me 40 years ago "make yourself useful" Loved it when Arnie also said it in his documentary. Its so true, it keeps you focused and productive. Others see it, your family sees it sbd they know you're completely dependable.

[@joecoolioness6399]

AKA learn skills people will pay you for

[@MichealPacitto]

I'm autistic and ADHD. This world isn't built for me. The solution isn't to dumb down the world to eliminate the problems, it's to make everyone better so we can better adapt to the challenges we face.

[@McD-j5r]

This world is not for any human with a soul.

[@chrisbamborough222]

Please do what helps you in life perhaps not concentrating on the negative aspects like the media. Give yourself a break maybe do something that people are grateful for like a charity then you can give and receive kindness. Most of all take care of yourself.

[@JD-xd4sy]

It's okay, you can build a world of your own //fellow neurodivergent

[@MichealPacitto]

Appreciated! Luckily, I have adapted quite well to life, and I'm good! :D I was just resonating with the video and thought while I would prefer it if society was reorganized to better suit how my brain works... it would be silly to make it harder for everyone just to suit me. I think social justice's focus on changing society for the minority, misses that the easiest way to help minorities that slip through the cracks, is to make a stable society that has less cracks in it. My therapist can give me a discount on therapy because enough other people can pay full price. I don't need a government program when everyone is making enough money to be able to help others. @@chrisbamborough222

[@shannonbarthelette4749]

U sound pretty smart to me😊

[@dreamsandshadows582]

You guys are incredibly smart. I wish everyone would listen to you.

[@sophielovespb]

Kisin is right, that "just" has hurt our whole community for a long time. My husband and I have had me at home for 10 years and two kids on well under 100k a year in Washington state near Seattle (one of the more expensive places to live in the US). It can be done, if you value having the mother at home.

[@paramidge8935]

When I was fortunate enough to study at university in the 90's - the first thing our excellent, Sorbonne graduate lecturer hammered home was 'strike just' - remove it in your mind every time it precedes any statement or observation and then address the syntax and clauses that remain. We should apply this to everything, every time any pundit, 'woke', 'alt - right', whatever, introduces any subject as if it were a given. My wife and I both went part time and shared our infant rearing duties to that extent. I cherish that time (even though sometimes it was a challenge) and am absolutely sure that what I had to bring to the table in that early development of our boy was as efficacious and influential in his wellbeing and character as that supplied by his superb and wonderful Mum. I do not claim that we are the equivalent of each other in this or many other things. I Really appreciate the nuance and value of difference and have no desire to pretend that human beings are equivalent to each other at all times and in all things - the adherence to that insane 'ideology' is as ignorant and disgusting to me as the doctrinaire claptrap that 'naturalises' capitalism as the only way to structure our economics and society. The wise man dismisses nothing. Keep the bankers off people - and keep on engaging and playing with all ideas - it's the engine of our social evolution and survival.

[@Tehrawrzorz]

Bless you and your family.

[@dougg1075]

These helicopter and bulldozer parents who kept their kids inside instead of playing, have raised people who when they get in the real world, and see that the human condition is tragic and hard Freak and over compensate emotionally. I’m 55 and growing up was a gradual acclamation to the world that awaited us. Now at twenty five , these kids are thrown into the war without boot camp

[@Being_Bohemian]

You've hit the nail on the head. (Peter Gray at Freedom to Learn, Psychology Today, has spent years blogging and writing books about this issue!) Also, the nature of modern mainstream schooling, which is highly restrictive and coercive, has compounded the issue even further.

[@l.sophia2803]

At 55, youre Gen X, the only underprotected generation alive today. In Generational Theory, we are the same in the cycle as Pres. Washington and many of the Founding Fathers who had to come along and clean shit up when it got unlivable for the people.. sounds glorious, but his generation never got to enjoy the payoff of the sacrifices they made for the freedom and peace of self determination won.. lol.. the past is prologue..

[@artn2950]

Weak indulgence by busy consuming materialism parents have harmed our society!!!!

[@masterphillips]

We saw Sam Harris's freak moment on triggernometry. He's about your age though (56 at writing), so it's not just 25 year olds.

[@l.sophia2803]

@@masterphillips Hes also part of the truly priviledged, not just some bs slogan. They live in their own silos until the world intrudes. Money can cover a huge array of problems in society, you just buy youre way out, outspend the troubles, whatever they are. But now even f u money wont matter..were all the proletariat now..

[@ml4173]

KK is one of the best voices out there speaking the truth about important topics these days. Great interview as always Chris.

[@TheEldritchGod]

Kathleen Kennedy? Really?

[@vforveranda4788]

Damn right (not Kathleen KilledDisney).. The more I hear Konstantine speak, the more I appreciate the influence he is gaining. The world needs more people like him.

[@Liz-in8lu]

They are my soulmates. Every single thing they’ve said I’ve said recently. We all do seem to be lost and social media has not helped. I’m gonna listen to this every day.

[@jvrza373]

First episode I've watched or listened to. Oh my god. This is what we need. Thank you for your calm, reasoned discussion.

[@nickmiller4814]

It is not just brawn. It is also our love of "things" and our joy in tinkering with them that has created the physical world around us and its wonders and comforts and possibilities.

[@paulburket]

About 15 years ago I was dating someone who made a point to say I didn’t have to open the door for her or whatever because those lil actions lead to patriarchal control subconsciously or otherwise. One day were walking into a nice restaurant and I didn’t open the door for her and an elderly man called me out on it. She replied “isnt it sad, chivalry is dead.” This was not a prank. Long story short, when we got the check I suggested she pay (first time ever) because we need to be consistent so our relationship can flourish as equals. She payed. I never spoke to her again lol. I bring this up because I knew then we were doomed to be a victim/oppression centric culture. Makes sense, the kid in elementary school who broke their leg was like a celebrity for a day haha

[@sylviam6535]

That culture is straight out of Marxism.

[@alsmith9853]

Dodged a bullet there mate😂

[@treehugger3615]

Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

[@salemdesigns65]

I wouldn't have paid shit. Equal, my ass.

[@Chirimbolos88]

Brilliant and inspiring conversation between two very intelligent and interesting guys. I enjoyed every minute of it!

[@BuddhaAfterDark]

i dont care what people say anymore, but what they do this is a wonderous conversation thank you gentlemen!

[@nf6386]

Very excited to hear that KK and FF are building out Triggernometry into a broader media hub. Would love them to call it “The Daily Trigger”.

[@josephphillips7809]

How about 'Trigger Happy '

[@nf6386]

@@josephphillips7809 i like that one too, there’s so much potential.

[@thisvagabondlife7132]

Trigger Happy

[@zeldagoblin]

Trig points

[@botchvinik8668]

Wow!! This was an extraordinarily good conversation! Two very intelligent, articulate people covering a massive range of current topics and doing so with really profound insight and depth. This was a pure joy to watch, thank you both! Mr. Williamson you just gained another subscriber.

[@MarI-Posa]

Very interesting to hear Konstatin talk the breadth of contemporary subjects with a depth of understanding

[@steelcowboy2751]

Konstantine is one of the guys with great common sense and intelligence in today’s world of internet craziness

[@dianedean4170]

Shining bright lights on the hypocrisies of false profiles, thank you so much, Chris and Konstanin🎉❤😊

[@samroscoe944]

Konstantin has been such a breath of fresh air in the talks about society. Jordan Peterson made a great choice giving him the opportunity at ARC to speak to the world and increase his reach.

[@Nerdemocat]

I couldn't click fast enough when i saw Konstantin on here, i appreciate your conversations and your choice of guest, thank you!

[@NattyGymBro]

I've never heard of him, but so far I couldn't agree more with his take.

[@HenkjanDeKaasboer]

@@NattyGymBro His Oxford speech is another phenomenal piece by him.

[@HoosierFilms]

The bud light controversy was the failure to own and apologize , they doubled down, and then called all their fans frat boys, and in amidst the controversy they slap an American flag on the can (metaphorically) and thought their customers were so dumb that that would fix everything. The veil of a beloved company was lifted , that’s why the bud light boycott happened, not because of one silly TIk tok.

[@decimalexercise7154]

The tik tok was the catalyst.

[@jacobshaftoe8326]

@@decimalexercise7154 and trying to shame people over the catalyst that lead to noticing the problem was the canary in the coal mine for all the woke institutional capture, because noticing that it happened to be a female game developer sleeping with the people that rated her games was misogyny, not a wake up call. Somehow. Probably has something to do with sexist aircon.

[@qine6559]

The tiktok was like a re-branding .announcement. By that choice the company did in that little minute of tiktok show their customer base all of the broken decision making back-end in the company. To the point where consumers actually became political tools by opting to continue drinking the beverage. As opposed to other brands who state the brand opinion, this company used its customer base to front the company opinion. Cant wait for this event to be studies in schools as an example of branding and propaganda.

[@HoosierFilms]

@@decimalexercise7154 sure. But it continued past that due to the doubling down. It probably would have blown over in a week or so if they hadn’t tried and minimize the issue.

[@charlesreaddy6585]

Absolutely! Chris gives too much benefit to the woke community

[@Dmb0617]

He’s by far my favorite guest you ever had on your show! You can tell he’s a really stand up guy with great principles. A family man with great respect for women. Thank you for this conversation.

[@ಇLiv]

The level of brevity and honesty in this interview is incredibly comforting, when anxiety is so high on the internet

[@vioricasporea8212]

Wonderful! Two smart, educated, intelligent young men engaged into a constructive dialogue that might help in opening minds of others. Congratulations!

[@BlackbirdSolarAdventures]

Great interview. Living in So Cal my entire life your reflection at the end of your interview about the US was spot on. Taking the best of cultures should be what we are about. Great insights and discussion, thank you.

[@squidikka]

Konsantin is brilliant. Love his takes. Wish people were just as reasonable.

[@hedgehog1965uk]

Bloody brilliant conversation guys. I had to watch it over three sittings, as it was so long, but so much amazing insight and common sense expressed here. Both of you keep up the good work.

[@davidlittle6621]

You seem to get a lot of very good guests to interview, but Kisin is exceptional! Thank you for the long form content.

[@johnong2655]

Totally agree. I was very frustrated whenever I talked about these things in society. This mindset has crept into every upbringing you can think of. Even religious institution which was supposed to be separated on their own has now unknowingly fallen into this fallacy in topics of finance, culture, marriage, relationships, identity crisis, and racism due to social media.

[@bulkzymalone2588]

You two gentlemen have just completely changed my way of thinking. I’m often commenting things I truly feel I understand but in fact it’s just a basic knowledge. I’ve learned to sit back and realise my baseless opinion will not change the world. Thank you

[@paulshome]

I’ve had baseless opinions on certain subjects. But somewhere deep down I knew my opinion had less value because of that. I get frustrated when I see these supposedly well educated university types crowding out other more reasonable voices as they parrot what their left wing lecturers have brain washed them to think. The same lecturers who if we are honest couldn’t cut it in the real world so they hide in academia where they won’t get challenged on their badly thought out strong beliefs. We my friend seem to be in the minority of people who can be challenged and we don’t see it as an attack on our ego.

[@scandilad5152]

"Men are disposable" is probably a big reason a lot of men commit s**cide. Many men with various issues don't feel wanted or needed, and feel powerless to do anything about it. It all goes off the cliff from there I reckon, I hope it gets better soon, life is rough man.

[@charlesswatzell1057]

hang in ther dude, life sucks,but it changes on a dime !

[@NightOwlinNewOrleans]

Men are not disposable, but they a can be useless (just as women can be). Everyone has to recognize their importance and make themselves necessary.

[@carlsmagula]

The western “message” to men is that you are not important, women are important, this is ridiculously false but you won’t get affirmed from the ruling power. So, men must look to the classical measures and teachings to better themselves, the gradual bettering of themselves is the reward, stay the course brothers.

[@manwiththeredface7821]

"Shifting from doing good to looking good" All those youtubers filming themselves while giving something to homeless people come to mind. They were still giving with one hand while recording themselves with the other but the question was already there: "Which one would you give up if you had to? Would you still be giving out food and/or taking them to that BBQ place if no one would ever know about it?" (Edit: a typo)

[@philawsonfur]

The age of demoralizing unconscious comparison

[@richardfrederickson]

Genuinely the best podcast/conversation I’ve heard online for a very long time. Thank you.

[@tfaheel]

Modern Wisdom and Triggernometry my favorite podcasts for this reason

[@historynerd6630]

My favorite podcasters in conversation. What a treat!

[@pamelaneal6537]

Need more men like you two. And women(not girls) appreciate their historical relationship with men who take responsibility for their families and communities. 2:19:23

[@lindahill3547]

Thank goodness we still have people who actually THINK!

[@roseannehutchence5004]

Thanks for another excellent conversation, Gentlemen! Thoroughly engrossing. A quick note, Chris, about breaking rules and making rules and innovating / changing? Talk to a few musicians about their process, particularly if they've studied music formally.

[@noahbaird1901]

I told my grandma that social media is like cigarettes for my generation. She said they used to get them out of the Marlboro machine as kids. Then I watched this and they made the same connection! So happy we’re starting to see it.

[@thorozar3662]

The thing with the Bug Light boycott isn't so much that they sent a few cans to Dylan. What really set it off was that the marketing executive said that they hated their customers. Had it only been the Dylan stuff, that would have blown over and any sales loss would have likely been temporary. Instead, they sent the message the reason for the campaign was that they wanted different customers. About 30% of their customers got that message and will never consume another of their beer. Problem for Bud Light is that the "new" base they wanted doesn't exist. Dylan's core target he influences are either not beer drinkers, or are underage.

[@fatmonkey4716]

I believe it was a simple way that some people where able to do something to combat the idea that men can be women.

[@l.sophia2803]

Dylan is in Womanface. If he were pretending to spend his first days as a black american and filming it and joking about abandoning your family and breaking the law, there would have been burning in the streets. But it wasnt just WHO they picked, it was the woke idiot woman exec. just out of woke university who didnt understand her own brand. BL was the number one product of the company, a crappy beer with a loyal base. How stupid did she have to be to debase them, her customers, as somehow less than worthy and not 'exciting' enough for her brand. Her narcissism was extreme and it was as much about her imo as it was the 'product' they had repackaged with Mulvaney's face and drama on it. Who wants to be part of that? 13 year old lonely girls, thats who. Imagine them replacing millions of working class heterosexual American men, of any color or political perpective, who work like crazy, want to hang out with friends and barbeque on the weekends, have a shag now and then..they really messed up putting her in the position they did, and its the CEO that should step down, if he had the balls, which he doesnt..

[@sassylady6717]

Thorozar, Amen!

[@harryflashman4542]

or are grooming the underage.

[@zombygunslinger]

It was a rejection of the idea that the opinions of their core demographic didn't matter, and that really caused an emotional response. I think when they saw the boycott was having an effect it gained more support. That said I agree that an endless boycott over the actions of a small group within the company is probably an overreaction. The lesson should be that companies that don't want to be tied to identity politics, should stay out of them. That used to be the standard, but as ESG scores became pushed by the top oligarchs at Blackrock, Disney, etc. identity politics became more important than profit. I think Bud Light and to a lesser extent Disney will be cautionary tales for companies trying to get DEI cred at the expense of their core audience.

[@mawilliams777]

This is by far the best KZbin video I have ever watched for so many different reasons, ironically enough, the content was the lesser reason. The flow, the level of articulation, the original traditional thought and the sidelining of irrelevant topics like gender id and masculinity

[@dokilar1]

There were numerous times throughout this discussion that I thought were quite humorous and cracked a smile but I genuinely laughed out loud when Konstantin said "It looks like theyre gonna try and put him in prison and it also looks like he's gonna win" when they were talking about Trump What a wonderful discussion. Thanks to the both of you for taking time out of your day to entertain us.

[@kimchimasala]

Two of my absolute favorite podcasters sitting down for an awesome conversation. Thank you gentleman for agreeing to do this one in person! I consider KK to be today's leading voice on critical thought and Chris is the number one podcast I recommend to any individual (especially young men) who seeks betterment / growth mindset.

[@marikaandrlikova7993]

Thank you for this talk-cultivated,intelligent inspiration-two examples of respectable men,really really nice to listen.

[@vincentlauria7857]

Agree 100% - I’m always highly suspicious of people who continually tell others what a good person they are - why are they telling people? What’s their motive? They’re usually the most absolutely awful and hateful people. I’ve met a large number of them.

[@pamelamohn5931]

As someone who had a stay at home mom I highly recommend moms to be home if they can. My mom started working part time when I was in middle shool (she was home when I got home from school) and full time when I was in highschool. My sister was six when my mom started working full time (out of necessity). Mom always said that she wished she had stayed home with my sister.

[@walterramirobeckmannvaca3309]

An excelent interviewer with an excelent interviewee, thank you

[@jamesgriffith4]

It is great and encouraging to see two intelligent successful men debate and reason differences through by asking for clarification of statements and opinions. Great interview.

[@tobymcflurry258]

I love Konstantin, very down to earth guy with his head screwed on, clever and direct but also funny

[@giselaowens3292]

2 of my favorite people. I loved listening to the conversation.

[@jrjazz]

Two wonderful people exploring ideas. If this is the new media, we have reason for hope.

[@OscarLimaMike]

This was so good. Thank you both. Konstantin has become one of my favourites.

[@jerrybobteasdale]

The first minute of the video was well-chosen, because it was both accurate and concise.

[@DJWhitetailfluff]

This discussion is really helping me given how upset i've been for months into a few years given the state or current events especially in the U.S. Watching this video and how the discussions are had is helping to bring me back to center to constantly remind me that both political parties suck. And it reminds me that maybe things are not as bad as the narratives that are pushed on social media or News or other You Tuber content about doomsday shit. It's more healthy for me to live my life than in accord to all the nonsense and noise and over simulation of conflicting information especially on the web.

[@helen9289]

I have always believed that once one calls someone a nasty name or a label like anti (whatever) or lefty or righty or cooker ... then one has lost the argument

[@charitysChannels]

Having the same internal struggle. Desperate for balanced nuanced conversations about real issues and trying to avoid getting sucked into echo chambers on either side.

[@pabis6817]

Konstantin and Chris, you’re both fantastic honest people, thank you!!

[@LeoTheIronLion]

Wow, another brilliant interview. Chris you have well become my favorite podcaster. Thank you for the quality of your content. I really enjoyed your conversation with Konstantin 🙂👍🏼🙏🏼

[@Nikolai1776]

At 54 minutes in this it hit me so hard. Getting told “Your just home” i get told that by my wife all the time i work a overnight shift and during the day i raise our son, and take care of the house, cooking cleaning, laundry. She told me the other day those exact words when i asked what she can do to help. All i get told is (well your home… your a dad thats what your supposed to do.) I can relate to any woman that stays home and does what i do day in and day out. I am shattered, but i strive on for my son and myself i am holding onto threads in my marriage. All while trying to make progression in myself at the gym and running better mile times. Your podcast is so relatable on everything you discuss. At the end of the day the best thing people could do is try to envision themselves in someone else’s shoes People discredit others often to much these days and it is for a lack of a better word appalling

[@fatmonkey4716]

You have to do more than putting yourself in other's shoes, because that is still only thinking of yourself. People today are more selfish than ever, they ignore how their actions have consequences to society, because they just want to do what they want to do.

[@simonclare-fu7sx]

thank you gentlemen, your conversations are much appreciated and have been for some time

[@AndrewHurley-c9l]

This is a great conversation. This right here gives me hope for the world. ❤

[@Brist]

Been here since 2019. Love to see how far you've come and the caliber of guests you're having on. Production value is second to none as well!

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

Me too. Are you also surprised Triggernometry doesn't have more video views and more subscribers?