Catch Discussion

[@emilyfeit4657]

This answers so many questions I've had recently, learning distance swimming on my own using TI videos. Thank you!

[@dshentube]

Glad to hear and you're welcome! Feel free to ask other questions about TI if you like! And please do let me know if you would like other TI swimming videos. Happy swimming!

[@Artist69351]

Brilliant explanation and demonstration! Thank you so much. That really made it click for me!

[@chanzhao3379]

thank you for the visual on the rotate and vertical pulls. i actually feel the fatigues around my deltas, though my coach keeps telling me to be patient. I did not understand the background and everything. thank you.

[@dshentube]

You're welcome! Please do let me know if you have any questions and post them here in the comments!

[@michaelb7829]

@David excellent explanation but I don't quite agree with the high elbow at the surface. The stroke would be too flat in this case. High elbow means hand below elbow, elbow below shoulder not elbow moving directly below the surface.

[@dshentube]

When i talk about high elbow at around 12:30, those are cues. What actually happens in the water is usually something different. The impression that you will want to keep is to skim the elbow just below the surface. What actually happens is not that. So this is a cue to visualize and not necessarily what happens in reality. The same goes with keeping the finger tips at the same level from front to back. I guarantee you if you video something, their finger tips are not at the same level. It is more for you as the swimmer to have a visualization to hold onto, hence cue, to work on.

[@michaelb7829]

@@dshentube Thanks for your explanation!

[@PhiyackYuh]

When do we see demo in the pool? So easy to talk and demo on land but different story whilst doing it in pool.

[@dshentube]

Hey there, with the pandemic my pool has not let me take private lessons since the pandemic started and remains still understaffed too much to allow me to get in there. So any videos will have to wait. Having said that, this video is meant to train you on dryland to shift the timing of when you attempt to bend the forward arm for vertical forearm. Most people go for it earlier, and this will put your shoulder at risk. Working on shifting the timing will ease off on your shoulder but still allow you to gain the advantage of EVF. If you do this a lot of dryland (which is where we spend most of our lives), it will help you next time you get in the pool.

[@mohdhafiz7801]

Thank you very much coach!

[@burnsnight1]

Rotate the core instead of using the shoulder.

[@amzbuyer]

I thought we weren't suppose to pull back with the catch arm. I thought it's just to hold the water with that arm. Can you plz explain thx.

[@dshentube]

To say that there is no role for the stroking arm would be false. When we say to not pull back with the catch arm, we are trying to imprint a different habit that creates propulsion not dependent solely on the stroking arm. Otherwise, if you continue to focus on pulling on the stroking arm, you will have a greater likelihood of not solving the patient lead arm problem and not being able to generate propulsion with the recovering arm. So in essence, we are attempting to develop many different qualities in our swimmers by attempting to shift focus around the body and on certain techniques, and to defocus on habits we are trying to change. Does that make sense?

[@amzbuyer]

@@dshentube So from what your saying, I should be spearing with the lead arm and pulling back with the catch arm sort of at the same time then right?

[@dshentube]

@@amzbuyer I think the better way to think about it is, that the recovering hand should be in the water when you start pulling back on the catch arm. Sometimes saying "same time" can invoke the less desirable sync-ing of both arms moving fully at the same time.

[@snipercoder9778]

@@dshentube Hi coach, one of the thing I noticed in Total Immersion is that the lead arm wait for the recovery arm. But some would argue that your momentum slows down while that lead arm is waiting for the recovery arm. So your momentum picks up as your finish the stroke, but slows down as the lead arm waits. Basically, momentum picks up, momentum slows down, momentum picks up...and so on. I think the syncing of the arms is to keep your momentum going at a constant rate, right? This would contradict the TI method.

[@dshentube]

@@snipercoder9778 The idea behind lead arm waiting for the recovering arm is what we call patient lead arm. So the cycle is what you describe in that momentum accelerates during the propulsive phase: spear going forward, stroking arm goes back. You do not generate propulsion during the recovery phase *dependent on your tempo*. More on the tempo aspect in a moment. Patient lead arm allows you to minimize drag during the recovery phase, sometimes called glide phase. Thus the strategy is to reduce loss of velocity as much as possible. If you were to pull back on the lead arm immediately, your drag will immediately increase (by up to ~8% over that of having a lead arm extended - see Vorontsov 2014 Resistive Forces in Swimming). Swimming then solely becomes a strength exercise and your speed will top out very quickly as you reach the limits of your strength potential, and also flirting with increased risk of injury. We then use patient lead arm as a strategy for increasing our efficiency, but keeping our speed high when our propulsion is low or nil and reducing our deceleration. Now back to the tempo comment - if you examine super fast swimmers, think elites during races, you'll note that their tempo is at least .8s per single arm stroke, if not faster. When your stroke tempo is that fast, you'll have no choice but to start feeling for the catch nearly before the recovering hand has come forward into entry, thereby giving a bit of propulsion even when the lead arm is patient. Otherwise, with the resistance of the water coupled with a swimmer's strength and their fatigue during a race, and the high tempo, you will undoubtedly start catching sooner just to make the tempo.

[@jaykim4677]

hi there,I'm learning TI in my country but there's a problem to do it. when I do recovery using my shoulder . I can feel quite pressure. so I think I have to stretch my shoulder and back muscle to do it smoothly. Could you advise any tips to do that? Thanks.

[@dshentube]

Just so I’m clear- this video is about the catch but your question is about recovery right?

[@jaykim4677]

@@dshentube yes you're right. when I swing it, I can feel kinda pressure.