Why I main bard (Killing yurgir without lifting a finger) - Baldur's gate 3

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Shorts here kzbin.infoOkIu2F7H554 PS: as of 18th of september i have to put this message in yes, more than 40 people already commented that not only bard can do this but in my defence 1. I never seen a video of any other class doing the same thing at time of recording 2. there's a big yellow text that says (BARD) next to the persuasion, so I assumed at time of recording only bard can do it *shrugs* 3. Bard is charismatic as fuck, and a smooth talker in the lore, so i use my bard as an example how easy to talk yurgir to death. PSS: 60 people now commented "you didn't need bard to do that" You guys don't read pinned comments do you?

[@Archonch]

People don't read pinned comment but they do read video title. They watched it thinking it was something new but it's not.

[@KinkySkeleton69420]

@@Archonch i mean its new to me, when i found this guy he wasnt up there, and he was happy that the song in his head had stopped, then raph came and put his ass under a new contract i was so lost here

[@diegocfq]

Don't remember it well, but his crossbow can only be looted if you actually fight him right? I usually just kill him in 1 turn anyway with a surprise attack.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

I was able to loot his crossbow from his dead body here as well PS: Hmmm nevermind my mistake. You can't. i must have mixed it with my other character. Been months

[@davi1415]

Act 2 is a bard’s heaven. The whole act is one long sequence of gaslighting every bosses to go kill themselves.

[@tibot4228]

Gaslight, Baldur's gate, girlboss.

[@JetRaveDropTheBass]

I was able to have kethric kill himself and skip the whole first half and only had to deal with the apostle part he still had the mindflayer minion and the army of skeletons up top though. Think you have to have very specific options picked when talking to him up top before he jumps down and while he’s down there

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Gotta find the wifes letter in his bedroom. Got the whole thing recorded in my channel on the steps

[@Dagroth]

Ah. That explains why I couldn't do it, I went straight for Ketheric, deciding to loot the tower later. What was pretty cool though, that when I shot him (in the final phase) with the Bow of the Banshee, it got him Frightened. I managed to scare an avatar of a god. I also used an anti-undead arrow, so it even made extra sense. ;)

[@somethingsomethingsomethin9009]

Tbh you dont need to be bard to do this. Any origin can trick the entire act 2 to suck on their own sword

[@TheRandomMuffinMan]

This is why bard is my favorite class. You can gaslight so many bosses into offing themselves. That and the class itself is so versatile that you have an answer to everything.

[@_mika-mikazuki_]

I did it playing as a wizard It was soo satisfying

[@Mlow44]

Why do people keep saying this is a Bard thing? I accomplished it as Sorcerer just fine.

[@TheRandomMuffinMan]

@@Mlow44yeah it's possible for the charisma casters. Bard just has more unique speech options.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

I also thought at first it's only a bard thing cause 1. There's a big yellow thing that says (bard) next to the persuasion text 2. I havent seen a video of another class persuading yurgir to literally knock himself out But i was wrong *shrugs*

[@joaocabo07]

@@TaliZVasTyria I did it with my sorcerer and the options (in this particular case) are the same but I did notice that being a bard gave you advantage on the rolls perhaps due to it being a song and being something a bard would have more knowledge with but, there are cases where the persuasion choices seems to be unique to classes and even subclasses, like a wizard or sorcerer tricking someone on arcana knowledge or special dialogue with Arabella for wielding Wild Magic.

[@jorgemata4746]

As any D&D player knows, when you cast Banish on a creature that's not originally from the material plane, they go back to where they're actually from and don't come back. So, I just casted Banish on him and voila 🙆.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Wait...i casted banish on the djinn at the circus, he came back....

[@dragoninthewest1]

​@@TaliZVasTyria probably found a rift to get back

[@secondconflict570]

wondered about that

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Or the game dev didn't think we would cast bsnish on a djinn on act 3 and haven't coded it properly Some things in act 3 feels unfinished

[@scottdick296]

@@TaliZVasTyria I think Djinn are native outsiders. So the Material plane IS it's home plane.

[@TheFiresloth]

Of course Raphael made him take an oath in the form of a song.

[@L0ngsword]

He's a Disney villain

[@blak3brutus229]

@@L0ngswordfr 😂

[@mnk9073]

Bards 🤝 Warlocks: Getting through all Act II Bosses without drawing a weapon

[@random-unbreaded-commentor]

Dudeeeeee. I ambushed them from the top side and that was such a huge struggle my first playthrough. You just made my tactician run 10x easier

[@chazdoit]

When on a blind run, ambushing might be the safer option in most cases, not every boss are gonna have a self destruct dialogue option

[@yeturs69420]

Hang on... any are you playing tactician if you don't want go fight Tactical fights?????

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Play smarter, not harder. If the game allows it and still within the story, why not

[@drkneipier250]

you can just pick up his bombs

[@flamerollerx01]

You could try fighting him from the left side of that room down by the spider corpse and other corpses and that big chest. If you got stealthies with sneak attack and ranged weapons, you can pick off all the adds without ever getting hit. They are incapable of coming down to get you for some reason. The boss will just keep doing absolutely nothing until you go up to where he is.

[@godlessandlovingit]

The amount of times i've talked bosses into killing themselves is the reason I love Bard. However this encounter went very different for me. walked up to Yurgir, chatted, raphael showed up, told him that I fulfilled his contract for him and he was free to go.

[@drakoloreseeker5112]

Did you kill shadow heart?

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

@@drakoloreseeker5112I think it happened if you kill all the rats

[@leonardoraele]

The same happened to me, and then Astarion got furious that he didn't get to learn about his tattoo because we didn't kill him.

[@Ailtir]

​@@leonardoraeleThis happens if you kill the rats/justicar before talking to yurgir.

[@Qulize]

@godlessandlovingit @Name-tv7fs What happens after that? Does Yurgir helps you in the final battle?

[@tylertheultimatebadass87]

And then there's Arse-tarion acting bratty that you are not taking the simple route

[@summer4137]

Man, I managed to persuade the doctor and sisters to kill themselves, but I thought that was just a one-time thing. I got lost in the temple and ended up entering the orthon's room from the side, saw them waiting in ambush, and thought I should get the first shot into an inevitable fight. I just gotta say, really wish I knew you could just talk to Yurgir first lol. Every day I thank Shar that Astarion crit him with an AoO for over 50 damage and prevented an extra hour of slinging bombs in his general direction.

[@Martin-di9pp]

You should have a talk with the other two Thorm's in the city.

[@legoman7041]

I honestly didn't even know there was a cutscene. The game is full of surprises.

[@shimmerine1]

You have to get that perception check during his dialogue where he's explaining the contract or you don't get the finishing dialogue. I've now done this with a battlemaster fighter and a sorcerer so it's all about getting that roll. I love this game!

[@secondconflict570]

exactly. if whoever talks to him has Wisdom +1 Insight it will go this way when they get the the perception check.

[@Fappsu]

Didn't even know that was possible. Got into the fight the first time by approaching from the side, then just killed him for Astarion. Oh my.

[@Scouten819]

Same this was the first fight where I got my ass handed to me the first Tim I encountered it. I've never seen this dialogue

[@dantesapprentice4581]

I had a barrel of runepowder on me, so I snuck up on him from the side and tossed it at him. One-shotted almost all of his Meregons. Never spoke a word to the guy until I met him again later at a certain location.

[@AshtonMonitor]

I came in from the front, spotted the ambush, then started by attacking before being spotted (ranged builds tend to incentivize that once you reach level 5 since you get to finish your action with a second attack before getting your full turn, especially if you're a gloomstalker ranger and/or have the alert feat so you almost always go first in initiative order)

[@gegus]

Damn, I can't believe I missed this sequence. I played a bard my first time through but I saw the trap waiting for me ahead and went along the side-path to ambush the ambushers. It was a fun fight but it would have been great to have done this instead.

[@flamerollerx01]

The way I killed them was with aoe spells from a distance and ranged sneak attacks out of their range. So what you do is you go to the left and jump across, then you put your entire party as far away as you can get in the area with the dead spider laced with succubus magic and shoot arrows from stealth at each merrigon, pop aoe spells/scrolls when they inevitably clump together and they can never reach you. Once they're all dead, kill off the boss. It was super easy, because none of them could attack my party. It did take like 30 turns though.

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

You can also, if yoy are bard, completely skip Ketheric Thorm's second phase by making persuasion checks, thus gaining a ton of exp and going straight to his final phase after he kills himaelf.

[@TheQats]

Not just bards I had great persuasion as a rogue and skipped it too

[@TaliZVasTyria]

With his wife letter yeah? I got a video of it

[@Narokh]

Did it as a Paladin as well.

[@IsaacCoverstone]

I did this as a Warlock.

[@Davidbiscou]

I did this with my Cleric, "nooo you can still redeem yourself!" then he jumped off and died lol

[@hitsugayacookie]

i killed the rats and didnt even get these choices cos the song was GONE by then xD lmfao

[@thegamingillustrator]

I keep forgetting if you use speak with animals on the rats you learn they are also part of the dark justiciars. In that, they are devoted followers and protectors of shar's temple.

[@leonardoraele]

​@@thegamingillustratorThe rats are not all dark justicars. They all share the consiousness of the one last dark justicar still alive. If you kill all rats, his consiousness go back to his original body and you can finally kill him

[@thehuskyraccoon]

Amazing Larian had the foresight to accommodate so many different play styles. I’d be bored af just talking my way out of fights so I’m glad there’s both options.

[@charlesbryson7443]

Last I heard, there are 17,000 possible endings

[@corporateturtle6005]

@@charlesbryson7443 Source?

[@MikeDrop423]

FYI - the rats in the hallway of the gauntlet are polymorphed justiciars and whom the contract poem is referring that must be killed to break the contract. Use Speak Animals on them they'll tip you off to this. If you kill them all before you do this dialogue with Yurgir you can actually free him.

[@nicholasbehe6686]

For real?! I just thought they were crazy territorial rats for some reason.

[@jhvfgvsfgbfr]

@@nicholasbehe6686 yes , and yurgir can become an ally later 2 times i wont go further into details bec of spoilers but having that big chunky boy at your site is just to good to be missed

[@DownClownTownFrown]

Is there a way to figure that out in game? Like an arcana check or something? Is it something you have to infer?

[@MikeDrop423]

@@DownClownTownFrown Yes, one rat in particular tells you they’re all Dark Justiciars that have been cursed and split into rats and even tips you off to a treasure cache they hid. This rat is found near a ritual circle in a large open area that you have to climb down some cragged rock from a path outside the Faith Leap trial to find(735,754). He appears once you approach the Ritual Circle but bring Speak to Animals potions.

[@XxXK1770rD13XxX]

Just did this in my first playthrough, and I can say that this is one of the my most favorite moments in video game history.

[@Peleski]

Interesting scene playout, though in reality there's a secret Justiciar in the temple. Once you kill it, this demon will be indebted to you, and he's a very good ally.

[@SelejX]

Where is this??

[@Peleski]

@@SelejX talk to a rat

[@astyandelacroix8001]

Managed it on both Sorcerer and Rogue. Some backstories (Artisian etc) give you a nice bonus to Persuasion

[@MissionSilo]

What about bard and sorcerer?

[@Mediados]

That was just cruel. "Kill your followers, the only thing you ever loved and then yourself." "I hate you."

[@TheHarleyEvans]

You can avoid this fight also by killing the rats and the final justiciar before you meet yurgir, raphael then whisks him away back off to hell in breach of contract on account of you killing the last justiciar and not yurgir

[@leahsavoie3528]

but i think you lose the option to romance astarion if you dont actually kill orthon

[@TheHarleyEvans]

@@leahsavoie3528 i wouldn't know, i don't swing that way, so i've never explored male relationships in games. but what i can tell you is that it seems like astarion is throwing himself at the player anyway

[@XKS99]

@@TheHarleyEvans I had to kill off every other male member of the party because of how they constantly throw themselves at you.

[@eewolfs2165]

And if you fight raphael later you can convince Yurgir to join your side and he even helps out in the final battle!

[@nightwing8794]

⁠@@XKS99yeah you would think the game would allow you to choose your character’s sexuality so that doesn’t happen cause its pretty weird when you just wanna have the male characters be your bros

[@slipperydouglas8263]

Didn’t even know you could talk to this guy, just saw he was hostile and started blasting haha

[@Swenthorian]

I wasn't even given the courtesy of dialogue; he just immediately attacked me.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Out of curiousity did you attack the displacer beast before meeting yurgir?

[@Swenthorian]

@@TaliZVasTyria I tried to, but it ran away before anything could hit it. I also approached Yurgir from the side, rather than from below.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Probably cause you approached from the side then

[@dorukhanozen2580]

Once you learn the options and mechanics any chatisma class with friends can pull these off. Take eitherdeception intimidation or persuasion prof at the beginning and you are good to go. I am currently saved Yurgir from contract guy is cool no need to persuasion kill him. Also by saving him you can sweet dark justiciar loot for both Shart and Astabro.

[@dharmeshmistry342]

SHART? Lmaoooo I didn’t even think of that.

[@gegus]

You miss out on that amazing hand crossbow though.

[@chadbrochill19]

MOST of the challenging fights in Act 2 can be... accomplished with being charismatic and without having to lift a finger, if you spot them. Bard is a great choice for that expertise love.

[@mangobanana7195]

I always used Astarion for bard because of his "happy" buff, adds to checks and thief also works too well with dual hand xbow bard.

[@charlesbryson7443]

My monk is astarion because ascended astarion is gross!

[@thebeepster8014]

...that fight took me like all day yesterday. i saw the displacer and attacked it to surprise it, then saw all the merregons and yurgir after rolling initiative, then i just. kept charging into battle against them. not even knowing there was a scene to be had. damn, man, lmao.

[@Martin-di9pp]

It's a dilemma, sneak attacking to catch enemies by surprise is so powerful but it makes you miss out on stuff like this.

[@codeine69]

This is also possible with a little cantrip i like to call "F5"

[@tavastian3288]

aah yes, finally canonically accurate bard. This is why DMs hate bard players

[@nunya96]

Absolutely adore Gale’s commentary on this: “I see the art of eloquence is alive and well! :) I’m awed, impressed… and a little bit scared of you right now.”

[@tethryss5001]

I love how Lae'zel in the background is probably having a mental breakdown that this demon could be so stupid and that she is being robbed of such a good fight.

[@IronLordEXO]

Damn dragonbard really said uninstall yourself

[@Vanstrudel]

Aww I'm so sad I missed this interaction, I came in from the side and started blasting

[@ninjacom3]

Your character was like " give everyone a piece of that oxygen and ozone layer, so we can breathe in this blue trap bubble"

[@mariaelisapaiva]

Awesome! My first playtrough I went as a bard. I was so happy I could bulshit most of my way trough act 2 XD

[@lupuionut6286]

I just easily cheeses this encounter yesterday. If you jump over the ledge on the left when you're about to enter the place where the dialogue starts you will enter battle with the pet. You can kill the pet easily, then the minions will gather in one place and you can cheese them with AOE attacks from out of their range while the boss is approaching.

[@cfowler7936]

I did this first try by complete flook as a rouge. We were so injured, and the sheer depression to weasel out of this was turned to max. I never expected he would end himself. 😂

[@secondconflict570]

fluke

[@Jonatron101]

Anyone struggling to get this option, if you're a warlock there's a bug that may be overriding the option to go down this path. Unsure if it's been fixed yet.

[@bback74]

It's stil there. Yesterday my multiclassed Bard/Lock didn't get this option no matter what.

[@ZoeBateman]

5:41 LowTierBard moment

[@MasterJohnam]

I opened combat against a red enemy marked phase beast at the top of the stairs after the jump. This instantly threw me in combat soon as I walked a bit closer and removed this whole dialog option from me without knowing it until I saw videos like this. They should really change the section to be fully neutral so more people actually get the dialog here.

[@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar]

Like how he doesn't even question that he has to kill you first

[@santyalc]

And the funny thing is [SPOILERS] there was actually an extra dark justiciar alive that raphael hid on purpose, thats why he keep hearing the song and couldn't fullfill his contract

[@gas481]

Baldurs gate is a Bards tale

[@midnights2631]

Usually I'm more of a rogue but being a bard to gaslight bosses is going to be fun.

[@GhealachAlt]

the lack of organisation of the attacks on the left bar makes me want to cry

[@Sejegs]

You can do this with all the classes, they are bit harder on them, since you have to find the correct choise, but i did this with my sorce it took me couple of tries since i had to find the correct answer

[@lolstationvita5922]

Ah yes, bard... the trickster guy who wins by guile, not by force.

[@crem4x968]

I did this with my Barb, no need for a bard to do that. Also did the same with the drinking contest guy and with the surgeon. Pretty good.😊

[@TaliZVasTyria]

so barbarian can do it, bard can do it, i tried with warlock a few hours ago but that one can't do it

[@spookshow8776]

@@TaliZVasTyria I talked quite a few bosses into killing themselves. Drow Assassin Rogue with the guidance for that extra boost.

[@Hooch_is_crzy]

Warlock is the one class that can’t do it

[@4elow521]

@@Hooch_is_crzy its not the class ( it will make it easier ) you need to pass a check in order to get the option to make him kill everyone

[@MrGonve]

I did that with the tollkeeper, the drinking contest guy too and Ketheric in the second encounter, and I made the surgeon kill all her undead Sisters. My druid is a fucking manipulative bastard.

[@MrBlueWarden]

Before this video I didn't even give one thought to playing Bard, but after I started one as my first playthrough for the game and holy shit it is so damn fun!! So thanks and btw your Dragonborns look amazing.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Thank you. Finally someone who gets why i make this video is about.

[@cristianfmendez]

Bard dark urge is such an insanely over powered build. man has advantage and +5 to a lot of dialogue options

[@bakersbread104]

crazy how he kills himself before killing the new guys who also just heard this song

[@orionpk]

Incredible, didn't know this was capable.

[@someonestolebigboi-imbigboi]

you can also pull this off as a rogue... basically anyone with a shady or charismatic background

[@rasdan1192]

Bard with the Talk no Jutsu ability.

[@Liliphant_]

Low Tier God would be proud

[@WhyDidYoutubeDoThis]

My rogue had 16 charisma, he talked his way through things, and what he couldn't talk through, he stabbed through.

[@jeroekoe]

LOL this convinces me to make a bard char next, i should have done much earlier tho as i am a musician irl

[@kinsan89]

...and here I am going straight into combat after blitzing the displacer beast in one turn lmao

[@jeffr3773]

christ this game is so deep, I'm missing so many possible things that can happen

[@Gigaknight1]

I did this as a Paladin, oav.

[@Not_Ecrev]

Not the teleport kitty :C

[@leaguetomylegends]

What is also great about this is that when you go to the house of hope you can still convince him to fight with you lol

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Yeah but zero chance in dialogue with killing him normally. I thought yurgir could maybe act a bit more...pissed?

[@W1ll88]

I play as a Rogue and was able to deceive him into having his henchmen kill each other but failed the roll to have him kill the cat creature thing. So then we fought

[@alliu6562]

I didn’t even know I could talk to this guy 😭 i just started swinging

[@TaliZVasTyria]

*insert danny devito meme* "so i started blasting..."

[@kryptonian5539]

I knew I made the right decision playing Bard when in Act 1 I convinced the Knoll's to help fight the guys in the cave. And then convinced them to eat each other and then convinced the Mother/Leader to rip her own heart out and eat it.

[@zidane0017]

Also possible with a Rouge, I killed 3 bosses on Act II without lifting a finger, well maybe except for the drinking contest with the fat dude

[@antonio9693]

Actually I did the very same thing in my paladin run, except for the fact that I failed the last persuasion check and killed the demon once he was alone😌

[@piotrp980]

I could do the same playing Monk. However high charisma helping Bard to make succesful persuasions.

[@ragamuffinm2834]

Fascinating. I'm playing Monk, and I've been let down by lack of dialogue. I specced into charisma and became a bit squishy. . . And despite having persuasion & high stats doe intimidation-- I feel like those options don't come up enough in dialogue. Was just getting g ready to make a new character (probably a bard). How does your monk help buff that bard? I'm curious.

[@inFAMOUS42]

You can do the same with a rogue it was so fun to see him trust us and kill everyone including himself haha

[@BassRacerx]

i just stealthed picked up the orb and snuck out. no dialogue no combat.

[@GunmetalRaven]

Poor Nessa though.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

Nessa is now free. That damn orthon was drugging her

[@WashingtonAI]

4:40 Yugir turns into low tier god

[@Serviner]

Did this last night with my sorcerer, charisma is something else

[@AlexZebol]

LowTierGod in Baldur's Gate 3 be like:

[@Magpie5yndrome]

Did the same with a sorcerer. Killed the surgeon bastard that way too. Great fun.

[@achaerna.6662]

I did this and the Ketheric Thorn trick, but I was a Paladin with high persuasion.

[@JonnyDarcko]

Just be a rogue, thealth, snipe, hide. Snipe, hide till they are dead. I killed so many boss's without them even attacking me.

[@jonathanfesmiresteampunkau6983]

LOL, yep. Maining bard is the best. I can think of at least three times I've talked NPCs into this.

[@monikamorningstarshadlo4129]

I’m making a lowtiergod bard when I play with my friend

[@TheKrensada]

I did this with a Sorcerer, a Paladin, a Warlock, and a Bard. pretty much any character can do it but it's easiest with those four classes.

[@TheAmenez]

if you kill the rats he just becomes your friend

[@sataniccereal]

I ended up taking the side path and kicked them all down with several casts of thunderwave and then just made a massive blender with hunger of hadar and storm of blades, was the easiest boss fight ive had since repeatedly smashing grym

[@Freecell82]

Yurgir goes LTG mode

[@janosmichelmann1110]

You don’t need a Bard to have theese options worked for me with my Oathbreaker too

[@BeastBoom24]

This was so much fun to do.

[@dh599]

Sorc and Paladin raising their eyes brows, I can do that to. Charisma might be the one stat I pump up to max if you give me even the tiniest excuse to use it.

[@lendial]

ok i feel bad for his kitty though

[@Mike_W78]

Not a bard but managed to get all the bad guys in house of healing to kill themselves. Wasn’t expecting that to happen.

[@TaliZVasTyria]

The surgeon? Yeah the nurses got him

[@Mike_W78]

@@TaliZVasTyria no I had the nurses kill each other. Then told the surgeon to show me how and he kills himself.

[@StefyDutz]

I did this with my sorcerer. It seems that, as a bard, you pick it up instantly and you're prompted the Insight check that tells you something's off with that last couplet. Thankfully, I succeeded on that one and but bullshitted my way out of this fight.

[@lingth]

As Volo said who needs weapons when you have a Silver Tongue..and and invisibility potion.. lol

[@DarkRubicant]

ah yes, you talked him to death.

[@cupknee]

or just be a warlock with the friends spell, i cruised through this with that too

[@noctiss_season2]

Gordon Ramsay didnt like his pizza

[@Pandaotaku94]

That was insane

[@leahsavoie3528]

someone probably said it but u can cure the bloodless if u need. with lesser cure

[@abunchofpaella]

I killed the displacer beast from the broken stairs, then one meregon came after me, then i moved out of combat range. Came back, jumped from the stairs, stealthed into ambushing him, and had a decent fight, not to easy, not too hard. Still, this was miles better.

[@InternalError9]

It's hard to locate the area for his quest. Look for the rats at the bottom of the statue.

[@crazyboycid]

Barbarian seems to have a good time of it. Having him kill himself I got advantage on the roll.

[@kubon1]

Yurgir is my favourite ally, I'd never trick him