Du Bois, Garvey and Pan Africanism

[@melikhayaapril2408]

I relate more to a man who is dark, whom is practical, whom is not endorsed by the matrix, Garvey is one. He said "lets go back to Africa" and the student in the person of Du Bois died in Ghana.

[@omalone1169]

Gwiz I have read that Garvey was not a pan african

[@blackman9008]

@@omalone1169 he wasn't, he was anti colonialism

[@2020peter]

The first Pan African Congress was held in London in 1900. Garvey was thirteen years old and did not attend. Du Bois did attend and played a leading role. So how is it that Garvey "started Pan Africanism" ?

[@vincentmbogo4767]

The ideology of Pan Africanism precedes the first pan african congress.

[@josephwebster9546]

Henry Seylvester Williams from Trinidad and Tobago was also part of the first Pan African in late 1800

[@Kale-y2d]

​@@josephwebster9546 Sylvester Williams was from South Africa

[@johnmoscato4648]

MARCUS GARVEY IS THE MAN . SIS' U RE SO RIGHT ! GARVEY IS MY PRESIDENT !

[@mensilak]

United we can survive the next 500 years as a race ( physiology, cultural and spiritual ) but divided we will perish all together. African from the so called new world and Africans from Africa will be wipe from this Earth in the coming centuries. We must fight by uniting our effort and our energy to create a sustainable military and economic infrastructure to uplift Africa and to defend Africa. Africa must be the sanctuary of all African around the world

[@oldschoolplanet5896]

boule is web that's why in education books no talk of Garvey only web boule man

[@BlackEducationRadio]

Garvey was boule too. A 3rd generation mason. The masons tried to flip on their masters to colonize Africa in their own Black Christian Masonic image but the Masons running Liberia turned on their Masonic brother Marcus Garvey. The indigenous Religions and Chiefs still dont know they should unite, because "educated" people in colonial schools and government are running interference and trying to "unite" through colonial institutions, labels, etc. Unity wont work unless its at the full indigenous government level

[@sleep1061]

Being a mason doesn't make you boule.

[@bankhroll5809]

Garvey had close friends who were Freemasons, but Marcus Garvey himself was not a mason. His Masonic friends never mentioned anything of him being a Freemason. If he was, there would be a record to prove this claim.

[@omalone1169]

@@bankhroll5809 Read Robert Harris book, Garveyism and Marxism

[@The_Love_Doctor_Sean]

Wrong about Marcus Garvey back to Africa movement and also about his contributions.

[@NwZ2]

you obviously didn't watch the video, did you? Or if you did, you weren't really listening if you think the gentlemen was saying that Du Bois 'started pan-africanism'. 'lmao'

[@mensilak]

The father of the Pan-Africanism is Marcus Garvey not kwame Nkruma!!

[@omalone1169]

@Mari Jata Oprah may have had a curious show following the OJ Simpson acquittal yet when you review the catalogue of Donahue you have to concede he really pushed for conflicting ideas and alternative views. This channel alongside the history declassified one has much useful material and should be considered alongside Lance Hill's material on the deacons for defence archive.org/details/TheCowsRadioShow archive.org/details/TheCowsRadioShow2 www.talkshoe.com/show/thecows In his introduction to Deacons For Defence [and Justice] he writes: King was acutely aware of these white fears of violence, and in his first and most important book, Stride toward Freedom, published in 1958, he adamantly argued that the civil rights movement had to adopt nonviolence if it wanted to win over northern whites. ‘‘Only through a nonviolent approach can the fears of the white community be mitigated,’’ argued King. ‘‘A guilt-ridden white minority lives in fear that if the Negro should ever attain power, he would act without restraint or pity to revenge the injustices and brutality. . . . Many white men fear retaliation. The job of the Negro is to show them that they have nothing to fear, that the Negro understands and forgives and is ready to forget the past.’’ ‘‘Bomb our homes and threaten our children; send your hooded perpetrators of violence into our communities and drag us out on some wayside road, beating us half dead, and we will still love you. But we will soon wear you down by our capacity to suffer.’’ Minister Malcolm mocked this capacity to love when he spoke of the need to "suffer peacefully" itself provoking reflection on 'The Moral Masochism at the Heart of Christianity' . Maybe this explains why Rodney King called for an end to the violence on May 1, 1992: "People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? In April 1963, in his Letter From A Birmignham Jail: "First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait... In his essay “The August 28th March on Washington: The Castrated Giant” (1964), in Duties, Pleasures, Conflicts: Essays in Struggle, Ekwueme Michael Thelwell wrote "This exploitation of so many angry and sincere people, whose indignation was misrepresented as some kind of testimonial for the SYSTEM that had oppressed them, and against which they were protesting, must qualify as one of the greatest and most shameless manipulations of recent years."

[@Buddhabebop]

some day real news will come up with a reasonable titling formula

[@DeeJayResist]

Why do we put individuals so high on a pedestals? If one person could free us all, I'm sure we'd been free a long time ago. Both these men had a lot to contribute pan Afrikanism but it did not start or will not end with them. Du Bois wanted to create a black intellectual ruling class and Garvey never challenged the institutions of capitalism. Race and colonialism, yes! But not capitalism. Himself embracing capital and having people make bad business decisions. All while Hoover builds COINTELPRO

[@oguun_garvey6531]

Dubois and a great majority of black leaders in those eras were socialists. Garvey was not, whether he knew immediately, or realized it after some time. Along with that and him meeting with the KKK, the UNIA divided up, with many socialists leaving to a couple different groups, namely the African Blood Brotherhood... Garvey was also critical of mixed raced peoples and miscegenation. Even tho he had some views that are dated and controversial, even by his time, I gravitate towards Garvey's message the most.

[@AndrewJM]

im critical of the mixed folks too...were constantly having to take other races garbage....let them go to their other half or create their own communities...either way idc.... and the black parent that made it possible...male or female.

[@garthreid5088]

Marcus Garvey was more influential and celebrated than W.E.B. Du Bois. When Pan Africanism is celebrated or talked about it is Marcus Garvey UNIA Flag that is hoisted and represented.

[@calpag]

What did De Bois did to enhance PanAfricanism?.. Kwame Nkrumah, Jomo Kenyatta Malcolm X, and the Nation of Islam were influenced by Marcus Garvey and not DeBois. Debois's contribution was mostly to civil rights in the US.

[@invincibleironman3]

Garvey started Pan Africanism, until he was deported on a fluke. Garvey was about empowerment, and he started BUSINESS and shipping lines. Du Bois fought a pyrric victory , but couldnt unify the people the Garvey did. Ho Chi Minh sat in on one of Garvey's meeting, and several other leaders of countries adapted Garveyism. DuBois was controlled opposition courtesy of the Boule.

[@omalone1169]

which meeting was this?

[@stardust2562]

Du bois is like Martin Luther king led black people to depend upon Caucasian. Marcus was all about do for self that's the only thing will work.. 2018 and we still suffering under the Caucasian man for help .

[@mostmost1]

Thats again a insane statement. The man died in Africa having denounced his American rights. Garvey never saw Africa in his lifetime and died in Europe. King died defending workers rights and denouncing the American wars.

[@mgj1s479]

Dr. King didn't lead Black people to depend on anybody. You need to do some reading before opening yourself up to being considered an idiot.

[@omalone1169]

@@mostmost1 for context both of them evolved so possibly the statement is correct

[@omalone1169]

@@mgj1s479 go read Deacons for Defence and listen to the Farce on Washington speech (Feb 2022)

[@nigeljames9727]

​@@mostmost1web du Bois was a sell out ,it was web du Bois was for light skin African Americans.

[@wad32]

Martin Delany was the 1st to coin the phrase pan african

[@omalone1169]

please source this claim

[@KAngeliii]

lol. Let's wait and see if that "liberation" day comes or not. More likely, there is going to be a widening gap between rich and poor. If you ever get the chance to be in Africa, go into major cities and look around. Ask to go to the local markets and local workplaces. See people actually trying to make a living. You'll probably understand what I mean.

[@BritishMoralHQ]

Peeps of the Real news...Also educate yourself with Frederick Douglass also...a Giant Abolitinst..Shame in the Speilberg lincoln movie ..hew was completely ignored

[@suntemple3121]

Great video

[@omalone1169]

where is the eulogy

[@BlaxkNobility]

Du Bois, could never be the true representative of black Pan Africanism. He simply wasn't black enough deep within his own soul to feel what it is really like to be pure blooded African.

[@ehzAxemuzik]

most black americans are not pure blooded africans

[@BlaxkNobility]

@@ehzAxemuzik Most are claiming to be Indians I don’t see any Indians claiming to have African ancestry.

[@ehzAxemuzik]

@@BlaxkNobility its controversial - some are really silly - yet some are Black natives..still most black americans are not "pure" blooded africans

[@BlaxkNobility]

@@ehzAxemuzik Where did the natives originally come from? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZCuoIhvdputfZI

[@ehzAxemuzik]

@@BlaxkNobility where did "white" people originally come from before they lived in caves?

[@lamarjlp914]

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