Stop HATING on Popular Art Styles! (Popularity vs Creativity) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY

[@BreDrawz]

frrrr. i wish people could just be respectful when a style isn’t for them. boost the styles you DO like then, and press not interested/scroll for the ones you don’t. it’s perfectly fine to dislike a style, but it is *not* okay to hate and harass people for them.

[@PeriluneStar]

Omg hi Bre I love your videos!! It makes sense that you would watch Duchess Celestia lol

[@m1ntykassitea7936]

Hey, Bre! Love your vids as well 😊

[@ellabeezee]

OMGA IS THAT WHO I THINK IT ISSSSSSSSSS ✨

[@Wallish-q3n]

Oh my gosh love your videos

[@PeriluneStar]

​@@ellabeezee OMGA!?!? INANIMATE INSANITY REFERENCE!!!!???!!??

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

The whole segment about anime having a wealth of individualistic style choices that the creators consciously decided on has every middle school art teacher quaking in their arbitrarily-banning-anime-but-no-other-animation-inspired-art-is-off-the-table boots.

[@Cupid_thekitty]

When I see a style I don't like, I'm just "oh the character is cool, but this isn't for me" and go look at different art, it's that easy to move on ya know

[@cranburrey]

Exactly ppl make it seem like it's hard to NOT say "why isn't anyone hating" to an art post😭😭

[@aspenmp4222]

FR i never comment abt their art style, even if i dislike it bc its not for me i just scroll and not engange.. is it rlly that hard??? atp they're just loud and obnoxious most of the time they're not an artist themselves. Tell them to draw and watch how they do lmao i do appreciate everyone's art even when some art style isnt my cup of tea

[@Cupid_thekitty]

@aspenmp4222 exactly! It's like some people can't handle the idea that everything isn't for them

[@phaIIicaIIyimpaired]

The Venn diagram of people who hate on popular styles and those who bully artists with more unique but less conventionally attractive styles is an almost perfect circle.

[@gekirobo8720]

Bonus points if said people also glaze up AI art as well

[@Mr.StarktheShark]

The world would be so much better and more positive if everyone just followed the concept of "if you don't like something, don't interact with it".

[@uanime1]

The problem is when that thing is added to things you do like. Especially when added to games, movies, and TV shows.

[@5TR3TCH3Z]

Videos like this further reassure my decision not to get a Tiktok. I see so many artists promoting Tiktok as a way to grow your audience, but I see a new video pop up on my feed almost every day discussing some new art community controversy/drama that originated there. From what I've seen, people are way too comfortable leaving hate comments there because they think they're being funny. If that's what it takes to expand my reach, I think I'm comfortable keeping to the little corner of the internet I've carved out for myself.

[@abberancestar]

Idk how grounded in reality my opinion is but I feel like people who hates on artstyles just because they're popular are jealous because it isn't THEIR artstyle that is popular.

[@Imjustkendall]

Not all the time, I HATE the jelly art style but I’m not jealous at all I don’t even have my own art style yet But then again I never hated on jelly art vocally

[@beomkaslana]

It's not always jealousy, preferences exist. But it's not an excuse to being directly hateful and harass someone with style that you dislike.

[@abberancestar]

Little update : I know it's way more nuances than what I said, but I can't help but see that more often than not, people who hates on certain artstyles are teenagers jealous because their own skills are lower than what they hate for. I don't mean it as a "Lol you kids suck a$$", but more as a "Hating on someone more skilled than you isn't gonna make your art any better"

[@akieru9923]

Yeah. In all honesty, I think the solution is to be fiercely strong in your emotions. I believe that outlook is going to help me a ton when it comes to criticism, warranted or not. The optimal point for an artists would be able to objectively filter out comments meant to demean and people genuinely giving advice. I think I am getting better at this, in the sense that if someone truly said my art looked like absolute trash, I would not really be bothered by it.

[@glaceRaven]

The thing that's especially ridiculous about expecting people to have "original", "inventive" and "unique" artstyles is that if you think about it, there is *no such thing* as a "wholly original art style", because all art ultimately draws from shapes and forms found in the real world. _Everything_ artistic is built on both what came before and the artist's environment (both physical and mental/emotional), whether it be art, music, storytelling, cinematography, etc., so pure originality is a myth. I wholeheartedly agree that artists (of all kinds, not just visual!) should do what they enjoy rather than conforming to the arbitrary and imaginary standards of a bunch of random people. Otherwise they'll be discouraged and fall out of love with the medium they enjoyed creating in.

[@spectrumbots4268]

When people say they want original art styles, a majority don't realize everything is derivative and inspired by something. Case in point: many of Disney's older films are based on fairy tales. Another example is Jean Pierre Polnareff's design being the influence for Benimaru Nikaido's design.

[@thecitybeyond-re9sn]

Exactly! I’ve always compared art style to handwriting. Just because your handwriting looks similar to someone else doesn’t mean you’re writing the same words.

[@kowaipinku]

my thing is that i just uninstalled tiktok so whenever i see art i like i just like it and move on instead of looking through comments and see their "criticism" social media is actually so bad for artists and ESPECIALLY beginner artists, because instead of actually helping the beginner they will either give fake compliments or just straight up bully the beginner and just make them quit. so yea uninstalling any social media and actually improving myself is what helped me through since there's toxicity everywhere on social media nowadays :p

[@Vivihorsesegames]

Yessss like, I don’t really enjoy Sam does art’s style, like, ik there’s nothing wrong with it I just don’t feel ok with the proportions but I’ve never went to Sam does art’s page and said “omg I dislike your style” idk why people feel the need to tell artists that, this just makes them sad and helps nothing

[@TheFanartFREAK24]

I'll see so many people hate on SamDoesArts' style or styles similar to it, but I'm going to be honest, every time I go check his profile again I'm just amazed, I love his art so much, I love anime art, manhwa art, jelly art, realism art, cartoon art. I wish people would prioritize supporting people's art styles whether they are popular or not, what matters most is drawing in the style you personally find joy in! Styles are always changing, too, I get influenced so much by whatever I'm currently obsessed with like BSD and Persona lmbo, just let people draw whatever style!

[@xieow_]

See, this is why I wish people appreciated art like artists appreciate eachother - a lot of non-artists feel the need to criticize art styles when they don't know how hard it is to build a style, let alone learn the techniques to get there. Just complete and utter disrespect to the artists that try their hardest with each piece they put out. 😞

[@synthellaart1587]

Also many non-artists treat realistic styles as inherently superior to more stylized art. I have seen this attitude from a few artists as well but more often from non-artists. It's something that made me angry for a while as well.

[@NightPhoenixPress]

Ironically, the Cal-arts style wasn’t even a thing. It’s just a lot of those artists were students at Cal-Arts. Love this video.

[@synthellaart1587]

Funnily enough most of those artists weren't from Cal-Arts. And there's a popular gif that is supposed to show how similar those styles are but the images used do look different than the actual shows they are supposed to represent.

[@NightPhoenixPress]

@synthellaart1587 That's crazy. 😆😆😆

[@vivianameganviviana3486]

Honest to god, hand on heart. I am convinced the hate of anime styles is racial at this point. I mean the amount of times I've seen people call it the "incest" style is insane. Like what does taht even mean because the definition I got makes no sense??? Like the definition I was given is that it basically refers to "all anime shares aspects of itself so much that it "causes inbreeding" within the medium" but then its like???? All art does????? All styles and mediums of art literally feed into each other and self-reference within their medium all the time (hence the proverb "good artists borrow, great artists steal), so why is the popular style typically associated with Japan the only style being labelled as "incestuous"? I literally never see anyone call any other style that specific word so it looks, sounds and smells like a little motivation of the racially inclined variety, and to me if it looks, sounds or smells like a rat then i am calling it a rat.

[@FemFridge]

I believe this goes back to a comment in an interview a certain anime director (I believe Hayao Miyazaki) made, not about art styles, but about the sources that creatives draw on. He criticised that anime is made now by people who primarily consume anime and little else. Whether he is right about that is a different question. This interview is also the source of the fake quote „anime was a mistake“.

[@FemFridge]

To be clear, Miyazaki never said either „anime was a mistake“ or „anime art is incestuous“ but these are both fake quotes attributed to him as a result of this interview by people looking to boil down a more complex critique into shareable one liners!

[@martsartsfarts]

I kinda agree with this however the last part feels like an insult....TO RATS!!

[@gekirobo8720]

I've always felt this blind hatred of anime for being odd while western stuff gets praise when BOTH are doing the exact same thing just REEKS of xenophobia and maybe r*cism towards Japan

[@Trotoloko]

You know someone is artistically illiterate if refers to drawings as "anime style" or is constantly talking about "style", fr

[@Maddie_mumbo]

Art styles are just a way of drawing. I dont understand how people can ''hate it'' just say thats it is not your cup of tea

[@elisaelisaross]

Few things reassure me like a Celestia's video beginning with the mention of Squarespace

[@d.p.n._.g4m1ng]

at this point u work for squarespace/j but fr, people need to stop hating on artstyles simply because they don't like it. I've seen people get hate crimed and death threats for it and it's honestly ridiculous atp.

[@Jouselio306]

The real question is who in the right mind would hate Loish’s art style (probably some people) but still! I honestly do not understand some people.

[@startheberries9698]

The internet has left enough of an impact on me that to this day whenever I draw the dreaded "bean mouth" (because it's cute, dammit!) I still think just a little bit of all the hateful comments I've seen made about that sort of thing. I've never particularly let it bother me much, but I can only imagine how damaging that must be to so many other artists, especially ones who are younger or less experienced, but even just in general.

[@Wallish-q3n]

It’s so cute!!!! The bean mouth is the best!

[@RuiiPlume]

Yeah it's one thing to have a preference of art styles and another to just straight up hating it just for the sake of it. Some art styles I like and some i don't. Not everyone's art style is everyone's cup of tea but to bully someone for that art style is just lame af

[@BadNessie]

To make a comparison to music: it seems a bit like asking musicians to invent new instruments for each piece because the others have already been used by others...

[@synthellaart1587]

Reminds me of the time when I told someone that I was happy a band I liked released a new album with many good songs. And they straight up said, the album was trash because it was too mainstream, without having even listened to any of the songs. I mean usually you can tell if you didn't like a band in the past you're probably not gonna like new songs from the same group, but "too mainstream"? What's that even supposed to mean

[@solarichan]

People when they see a unique artstyle: 😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬 People when they see a common artstyle: 🤬🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡

[@kalebgonzales4009]

I paint yachts and ocean/ port sceneries. the storm is calmer here. No one give a second thought for boats.

[@vibrantgleam]

Painters are safe, I hope. 😭

[@SPARKI404]

stuff like this is kind of why i haven't tried the "moe" artstyle even if i want to

[@scm64entertainment44]

I highly agree that everyone can like or dislike whatever and however they want to, and not bash their opinions. Thanks for the advice, Duchess Celestia.

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

I don't know what happened to make the art community so toxic, has it always been like this and I just wasn't popular enough to realize?

[@Chocobirb-Studios]

Well put! It becomes obvious how people view our skills when they always expect something new, not realising it takes time, effort and a lot of practice to develop something new. If they want something new everytime they should just type in their little Ai prompt and get bored quickly. Appreciation for our work is very very scarce nowadays

[@Viivlet]

The only style I cannot see myself liking is the Jelly style, yeah, not because of the way it looks, but because it's always the same, standard pose, and same face syndrome, I feel like it has more to offer, but instead it just gives us the same looking people staring at us, other than that it has great potential, which is not being used at all I have never, and won't ever harass people because of it, though. This is the first time I'm ever being vocal about it.

[@Deviaox]

Some people can’t see the good things in life or would rather ignore or exclude the idea

[@CreativaArtly]

Exactly. Awesome video as always, Celestia!

[@kriblendefolelser]

amazing video. thank you for addressing important issues like these

[@anidiot1122]

3:11 best ship Square space × duchess(2nd to of Course seaMoon)

[@Saga_Anserum]

Even when I was extremely judgemental of art styles, I still tended to just ignore art I didn't like. I would've absolutely hated the jelly art style when I was younger but I don't think I would have done more than complain to other people about it

[@t.r2603]

The only art i "hate" is my own.

[@CrabyMan]

Thx for the video Duchess

[@KitzeeBingBing]

I do not give an absolute quack about what style an artist likes. If they like it, leave em alone! It is their art! If they like it, cool! I prefer drawing more realistic. Do I hate on another artist preferring a different or more popular style than me? No!! It is your art, have fun with it, draw whatever you want!

[@synthellaart1587]

There are definitely popular trends and styles I don't like, but I never understood why some people make such a big thing about not liking something. Just move on if something isn't for you. It's not that hard. Being angry and hateful is so exhausting. As someone who got the "that thing you like is too mainstream, I don't like it because of that" a few times and called out for having a "Tumblr artstyle" because I like to colour noses in a slightly warmer tone I am so annoyed with people just hating on trends to be "different". At the same time I also hate people trying to push things onto me just because they're popular and "yOu HaVe To SeE ThAt ShOw". Can't people just accept different tastes?

[@princess_sketch6994]

I agree to your points too but I think it would be better if you also included the difference between Constructive Criticism to a style and just being a hater for the sake of hating. While its important to respect other artstyles its just as important as making points for improvement so that artists can learn from their mistakes to be better rather than just hating their style just because "lol ur art is bad"

[@vivianameganviviana3486]

Adding onto this, the criticism also should not be valid if it forces the artist to stop pursuing the specific style medium they're going for completely. Like if they're going for anime and the style they're clearly going for is that of Lucky Star then the criticism should be catered to pursuing the Lucky Star style and nothing else. If your criticism is "hmmmm no you should draw it more like *insert other anime style on the complete opposite spectrum* cause it looks better" then your criticism is invalid and you can go cry about it.

[@synthellaart1587]

People are also way too comfortable with throwing said criticism at everything they see. Some artists don't want criticism and that is fine, that's their choice.

[@princess_sketch6994]

@@vivianameganviviana3486 ah, I understand where this is going, you got a good point over there

[@princess_sketch6994]

@@synthellaart1587 ah yes that's something I missed, thank you

[@CactusMushroom]

I think these people forget art is subjective, and just because you dont like the style doesn't mean you go out of your way to hate on it. Just keep it to yourself, but for situations where these people hate on it, just to be different, it doesn't make you different at all it just makes you look like all the others hating on it.

[@TheSkarletKardinalSwoopsIn]

The way I see it is: it’s one thing to not like something that’s popular. But when you go outta your way to proclaim that you don’t like that popular thing just to appear "different" or "cool", that’s a whole other thing altogether. It also makes you come off as an insufferable contrarian.

[@witchtale3159]

1:28 Reminds me of those people who will dislike something because of “The fandom” as if the fandom somehow changes the original product

[@tash4951]

AHH ILY SM cos this shit is actually getting ridiculous and made me stop going on tiktok as much even though their are such good content creators on there. people on social media literally has forgotten how to just scroll past things they don't like; which only makes them see it more cos thats what the algo thinks they like.

[@0Fallenstxr0]

I made you and squarespace ship art 😭

[@Ohmleyt]

What would that even look like?

[@belladonna__ssjo]

Have you looked into Bluesky? Do you have any thoughts about it?

[@Wendy_de_Boer]

To be honest, I think most of the time people hate on popular art styles because they are envious of popular artists.

[@Hatsune-Miku_Fan]

If your art style is Popular and "basic", then it's TOO OVERRATED and BORING, If it's unique and original, then it's the UGLIEST PIECE OF SHIT PEOPLE EVER SEEN!! it's like there's no winning, so, draw however you want

[@Sapphire_Aerith2213]

I LOVE jelly art

[@pandapower3076]

But what if "not my thing" simply isn't a strong enough word for how you feel about something? Sometimes, you just hate stuff. It doesn't mean it's bad or shouldn't exist. Just that you as an individual really, REALLY doesn't like something.

[@Trotoloko]

I think her arguments do miss a lot of points.

[@Wallish-q3n]

What did I do to deserve a Duchess Celestia video?❤❤

[@Hannah-w1p]

OML FR

[@GraveyardMaiden]

Honestly I stopped watching new shows that have the cal arts style bc it just became a red flag for just soulless corporate manufacturing. Now I think it's okay to dislike and hate a style when it comes from the industry choosing to not do anything different from the most marketable, because that's a product they're putting out. However to hate on a hobbyist artist or indy artist for having a common art style or doing fan art is just an L take

[@entropy2134]

I feel like we have a narcissism epidemic. "I don't like it so nobody is allowed to like it!"

[@GSPAEpro]

I feel like this sudden interest in labelling artstyles makes me hate them. I don't actually dislike the styles, but the constant "erm is this xyz-style?" ticks me off. It's MY STYLE. Nothing else. I'm so damn tired.

[@friendlyneighborhoodartist]

we should normalize leaving ppl's art styles alone lol

[@Kaileighblue]

I don't hate art styles I hate people that think they have to copy popular things to get attention. It's not just a tiktok thing. Even way back to when fandoms were relegated to niche forums. Eventually there would be a few fan artists that stood out and then everyone would start to copy them. It's worse now on social media since it's a lot more people in an even bigger pool scrambling for attention. I don't go around telling people to stop though I just block or tell whatever app to not show them to me and hope it works.

[@Trotoloko]

It never works, and frankly, she misses a lot of the points for being tired of trends

[@Tacom4ster]

Overconsumption of Stanley Cups is an environmental issue though

[@harperglitterheart]

This

[@cryptidofthevoid]

No 😂

[@therealstella8101]

This video summarize up like 50% of the videos that "critize" Viziepop and her works.

[@R4z0rBl4d35]

Early

[@mahdizrin]

Make me